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	<description>Humans have tinkered with the natural world since we appeared on the evolutionary stage. Our days certainly seem numbered: As the home team, Nature bats last.</description>
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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
		<link>http://guymcpherson.com/2009/09/when-the-empire-falls/#comment-4660</link>
		<dc:creator>Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 10:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well... civil war? In fact, a civil war in USA will be the death sentence for the empire, which is bad for the average american, but good for the rest of mankind. Clear enough?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230; civil war? In fact, a civil war in USA will be the death sentence for the empire, which is bad for the average american, but good for the rest of mankind. Clear enough?</p>
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		<title>By: Where do we go from here? &#8211; Guy McPherson&#39;s blog</title>
		<link>http://guymcpherson.com/2009/09/when-the-empire-falls/#comment-2742</link>
		<dc:creator>Where do we go from here? &#8211; Guy McPherson&#39;s blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 02:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in industrialized countries, either. Many other advantages come to mind, in addition to the ones I pointed out a few months ago. For example, we might not have to prepare for civil war, and we won’t be all atwitter about [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in industrialized countries, either. Many other advantages come to mind, in addition to the ones I pointed out a few months ago. For example, we might not have to prepare for civil war, and we won’t be all atwitter about [...]</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
		<link>http://guymcpherson.com/2009/09/when-the-empire-falls/#comment-2038</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 04:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stan
&#039;the dude abides!&#039;
as descent as the guy is/was, he is a politican afterall
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&#8216;the dude abides!&#8217;<br />
as descent as the guy is/was, he is a politican afterall</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy</title>
		<link>http://guymcpherson.com/2009/09/when-the-empire-falls/#comment-2037</link>
		<dc:creator>Wendy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 04:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, someone gave me a jar of zucchini pickles today. Just when I thought I&#039;d seen everything you could do with zucchini...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, someone gave me a jar of zucchini pickles today. Just when I thought I&#8217;d seen everything you could do with zucchini&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Stan Moore</title>
		<link>http://guymcpherson.com/2009/09/when-the-empire-falls/#comment-2036</link>
		<dc:creator>Stan Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the ongoing demonization of Iran
I think James Howard Kunstler made some shrewd as well as some reckless observations in today&#039;s posting on WWIII.  I want to focus on Iran, which I see being demonized steadily, just as Iraq and Saddam Hussein were demonized to prepare public opinion for a war of aggression by the US in Iraq in pursuit of oil.
Iran&#039;s leaders have never threatened to wipe Israel or any other nation from the face of the earth.  Iran has no history of aggressive warfare at all, and Iran&#039;s religious leaders, which control the country, have forbade such a military doctrine.  Iran&#039;s leader has publicly longed for Israel&#039;s Zionist regime and mindset to &quot;vanish from the pages of history&quot;, which happens to be an opinion shared by many Jews in Israel and around the world, as well as many persons of conscience of all religions.
The demonization of Iran is a pretext.  It is a part of psy-ops (psychological warfare operations) to prepare Americans and others for  aggressive warfare to punish Iran for its lack of cooperation with the US and the Europeans who are  seeking control of Iran&#039;s own energy and geographic relevance to world energy pathways, such as the Straits of Hormuz.
The problem is that attacking and successfully throttling Iran is a very high risk endeavor.  In fact, military experts feel that Iran could go down in flames while it destroys the world&#039;s economy and perhaps kills hundreds of thousands or more of its enemies in so doing.  Attacking Iran would likely be an act of self-destruction, or great self-harm, even for the United States of America.
So, the bamboozling Barack Obama has to make some calculations.  He knows the US economy is doomed anyways.  He knows that his own actions have condemned millions of Americans to serf status, and Americans are not born to serf, even if a few are born to surf.  Americans, once they realize that Obama has sold their interests and welfare to the Powers that Be, will begrudge him forever.
The answer?  It may very well be to attack Iran, knowing it will start an international inferno that will hasten the collapse of our society.   The upside for Obama is that he will be able to attempt to blame the (already demonized) Iranians and to shift blame from himself.   He will claim he attacked Iran out of necessity, just like he claims to be expanding the war in Afghanistan out of necessity.  And when it all comes crashing down, Obama will say that he tried, even if he failed.
Make no doubt about it --  Obama&#039;s presidency will be a failed one, and a catastrophic one.  He holds the bitter position of being the man in the White House when the walls crumbled.  George W. Bush had a very similar problem caused by Peak Oil, and his solution was military force to grab remaining oil in the Persian Gulf.  Bush thought it would be a cakewalk, and it his use of military force would have been as easy as he expected, he would be a national hero and a Republican would be in power right now.
Obama is continuing the Bush mindset and has not repudiated most of the Bush mechanisms for control of the world&#039;s oil, the &quot;terrorists&quot; victimized by our pursuit of their resources, or the American people, for that matter.  Obama is the successor of George W. Bush, not the antidote.
Iran is in Obama&#039;s crosshairs, just like Iraq was in Bush&#039; crosshairs.  I suspect it is just a matter of time before Obama pulls the trigger and the fireworks begin.  If somehow Obama does pull back from the brink of war against Iran, America will collapse by another route.  Our goose is cooked, but we just don&#039;t know which burner is providing the flame yet.
Stan Moore
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the ongoing demonization of Iran<br />
I think James Howard Kunstler made some shrewd as well as some reckless observations in today&#8217;s posting on WWIII.  I want to focus on Iran, which I see being demonized steadily, just as Iraq and Saddam Hussein were demonized to prepare public opinion for a war of aggression by the US in Iraq in pursuit of oil.<br />
Iran&#8217;s leaders have never threatened to wipe Israel or any other nation from the face of the earth.  Iran has no history of aggressive warfare at all, and Iran&#8217;s religious leaders, which control the country, have forbade such a military doctrine.  Iran&#8217;s leader has publicly longed for Israel&#8217;s Zionist regime and mindset to &#8220;vanish from the pages of history&#8221;, which happens to be an opinion shared by many Jews in Israel and around the world, as well as many persons of conscience of all religions.<br />
The demonization of Iran is a pretext.  It is a part of psy-ops (psychological warfare operations) to prepare Americans and others for  aggressive warfare to punish Iran for its lack of cooperation with the US and the Europeans who are  seeking control of Iran&#8217;s own energy and geographic relevance to world energy pathways, such as the Straits of Hormuz.<br />
The problem is that attacking and successfully throttling Iran is a very high risk endeavor.  In fact, military experts feel that Iran could go down in flames while it destroys the world&#8217;s economy and perhaps kills hundreds of thousands or more of its enemies in so doing.  Attacking Iran would likely be an act of self-destruction, or great self-harm, even for the United States of America.<br />
So, the bamboozling Barack Obama has to make some calculations.  He knows the US economy is doomed anyways.  He knows that his own actions have condemned millions of Americans to serf status, and Americans are not born to serf, even if a few are born to surf.  Americans, once they realize that Obama has sold their interests and welfare to the Powers that Be, will begrudge him forever.<br />
The answer?  It may very well be to attack Iran, knowing it will start an international inferno that will hasten the collapse of our society.   The upside for Obama is that he will be able to attempt to blame the (already demonized) Iranians and to shift blame from himself.   He will claim he attacked Iran out of necessity, just like he claims to be expanding the war in Afghanistan out of necessity.  And when it all comes crashing down, Obama will say that he tried, even if he failed.<br />
Make no doubt about it &#8212;  Obama&#8217;s presidency will be a failed one, and a catastrophic one.  He holds the bitter position of being the man in the White House when the walls crumbled.  George W. Bush had a very similar problem caused by Peak Oil, and his solution was military force to grab remaining oil in the Persian Gulf.  Bush thought it would be a cakewalk, and it his use of military force would have been as easy as he expected, he would be a national hero and a Republican would be in power right now.<br />
Obama is continuing the Bush mindset and has not repudiated most of the Bush mechanisms for control of the world&#8217;s oil, the &#8220;terrorists&#8221; victimized by our pursuit of their resources, or the American people, for that matter.  Obama is the successor of George W. Bush, not the antidote.<br />
Iran is in Obama&#8217;s crosshairs, just like Iraq was in Bush&#8217; crosshairs.  I suspect it is just a matter of time before Obama pulls the trigger and the fireworks begin.  If somehow Obama does pull back from the brink of war against Iran, America will collapse by another route.  Our goose is cooked, but we just don&#8217;t know which burner is providing the flame yet.<br />
Stan Moore</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Mezek</title>
		<link>http://guymcpherson.com/2009/09/when-the-empire-falls/#comment-2035</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Mezek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 16:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Memo to Carol:
When you get The Prisoner dvd,you might find it interesting to look at my posts regarding same.I&#039;ve stayed in the Village(Portmeirion,Wales}and am a big fan of the series.
Frank
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Memo to Carol:<br />
When you get The Prisoner dvd,you might find it interesting to look at my posts regarding same.I&#8217;ve stayed in the Village(Portmeirion,Wales}and am a big fan of the series.<br />
Frank</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Irving</title>
		<link>http://guymcpherson.com/2009/09/when-the-empire-falls/#comment-2034</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Irving</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 13:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wendy,
I’m a few miles west of you in northeastern Washington.  It’s been hard to adjust to the weather the last few days.  We were down to 24°F Wednesday and that about did it for the garden.  But there is rain today, finally, so I can finish hauling the wood in.  My wife just made a bunch of green tomato pickles, and green tomato marmalade (I’d never heard of it before either).
Speaking of the weather, this is the first year (out of 36) that we have not had frost in August; or June either, for that matter.  Wow, more than a 90 day growing season.  Why is everyone complaining about catastrophic global climate collapse?
Mike
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wendy,<br />
I’m a few miles west of you in northeastern Washington.  It’s been hard to adjust to the weather the last few days.  We were down to 24°F Wednesday and that about did it for the garden.  But there is rain today, finally, so I can finish hauling the wood in.  My wife just made a bunch of green tomato pickles, and green tomato marmalade (I’d never heard of it before either).<br />
Speaking of the weather, this is the first year (out of 36) that we have not had frost in August; or June either, for that matter.  Wow, more than a 90 day growing season.  Why is everyone complaining about catastrophic global climate collapse?<br />
Mike</p>
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		<title>By: bubbleboy!</title>
		<link>http://guymcpherson.com/2009/09/when-the-empire-falls/#comment-2033</link>
		<dc:creator>bubbleboy!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 04:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What if you spend most of your adult life as a Pop-Tartorous, emailing workaholic?  72 ain&#039;t half-bad.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if you spend most of your adult life as a Pop-Tartorous, emailing workaholic?  72 ain&#8217;t half-bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol</title>
		<link>http://guymcpherson.com/2009/09/when-the-empire-falls/#comment-2032</link>
		<dc:creator>Carol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 00:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just had to laugh at the comment that came after Guy offered to fly down heah and give me a helping hand. I understand where Carlotta is coming from.However,I do wish I could afford to fly him down here and maybe if I go to one of the casinos around here and get lucky I might just do that.
I&#039;m glad to see that most everyone has a sense of humor because people, we are all going to need one. Speaking of funny stories, I heard on NPR today about Levi&#039;s(jeans) selling their pants on  installment plans in India. The price for a pair of jeans is $50-average income about $100/month. This makes you really wake up- how far do we have to fall?
Guy, thanks for the offer, but most of all thanks for your insights, efforts and intelligence. I am learning so much from your blog, links, and contributors comments.( I am still waiting for The Prisoner dvd from my library.
Carol
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just had to laugh at the comment that came after Guy offered to fly down heah and give me a helping hand. I understand where Carlotta is coming from.However,I do wish I could afford to fly him down here and maybe if I go to one of the casinos around here and get lucky I might just do that.<br />
I&#8217;m glad to see that most everyone has a sense of humor because people, we are all going to need one. Speaking of funny stories, I heard on NPR today about Levi&#8217;s(jeans) selling their pants on  installment plans in India. The price for a pair of jeans is $50-average income about $100/month. This makes you really wake up- how far do we have to fall?<br />
Guy, thanks for the offer, but most of all thanks for your insights, efforts and intelligence. I am learning so much from your blog, links, and contributors comments.( I am still waiting for The Prisoner dvd from my library.<br />
Carol</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 23:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guy, you must be already up on the Camas Prairie as we speak. I hope your dad is doing well. I had forgotten that he smoked...but now that I think of it I do remember that you were pretty determined to do neither. Best wishes to him.
Mike, I&#039;m not sure where you live, but you weren&#039;t kidding about the cold weather here in north Idaho. Highs and lows both plummeted 30 degrees from one day to the next, and I had to scramble to pull in the rest of my green tomatoes and squash.
Charlene, I read Good Omens last year, and actually laughed out loud in several places.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guy, you must be already up on the Camas Prairie as we speak. I hope your dad is doing well. I had forgotten that he smoked&#8230;but now that I think of it I do remember that you were pretty determined to do neither. Best wishes to him.<br />
Mike, I&#8217;m not sure where you live, but you weren&#8217;t kidding about the cold weather here in north Idaho. Highs and lows both plummeted 30 degrees from one day to the next, and I had to scramble to pull in the rest of my green tomatoes and squash.<br />
Charlene, I read Good Omens last year, and actually laughed out loud in several places.</p>
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