Comments on: Bread and circuses http://guymcpherson.com/2009/11/bread-and-circuses/ Humans have tinkered with the natural world since we appeared on the evolutionary stage. Our days certainly seem numbered: As the home team, Nature bats last. Wed, 08 Feb 2012 12:22:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Guy McPherson http://guymcpherson.com/2009/11/bread-and-circuses/#comment-2286 Guy McPherson Wed, 25 Nov 2009 03:08:37 +0000 http://guymcpherson.com/?p=200#comment-2286 vetalio, I bought some seeds from Native Seeds/SEARCH, and I'm a fan of their work. We also traded for some seeds with neighbors. But the vast majority came from <a href="http://rareseeds.com/" rel="nofollow">Baker Creek Heirloom Seeds</a> in a <a href="http://rareseeds.com/cart/products/Southern_Jumbo_Package-1037-97.html" rel="nofollow">jumbo-sized container</a>. I recommend Baker Creek if you're interested in trying a large variety. vetalio, I bought some seeds from Native Seeds/SEARCH, and I’m a fan of their work. We also traded for some seeds with neighbors. But the vast majority came from Baker Creek Heirloom Seeds in a jumbo-sized container. I recommend Baker Creek if you’re interested in trying a large variety.

]]> By: vertalio http://guymcpherson.com/2009/11/bread-and-circuses/#comment-2285 vertalio Wed, 25 Nov 2009 02:57:15 +0000 http://guymcpherson.com/?p=200#comment-2285 Yah. True conservatives would be touting not drilling in Alaska, so as to, um, conserve those resources. Five million assorted turbines might need a bit of lubrication. Lube, baby, lube. Assuming the petro-outlay to build and install them comes before too far down the peak oil slide... A island town in Maine that I frequent installed three massive GE wind turbines, to generate maybe half their need and reduce their substantial electric bills. It took 27 tractor-trailer loads to bring the larger crane there for install. Then of course 27 away. All on barges. They're good for 20 years. Repairs ought to be amusing. Gonna be hard to do when the oil is all dedicated to military use. We'll need to hone the skills needed to make booze, for sure, Frank. You get your seed from Native Seeds/SEARCH, Guy? Yah. True conservatives would be touting not drilling in Alaska, so as to, um, conserve those resources. Five million assorted turbines might need a bit of lubrication. Lube, baby, lube.
Assuming the petro-outlay to build and install them comes before too far down the peak oil slide…

A island town in Maine that I frequent installed three massive GE wind turbines, to generate maybe half their need and reduce their substantial electric bills. It took 27 tractor-trailer loads to bring the larger crane there for install. Then of course 27 away. All on barges. They’re good for 20 years. Repairs ought to be amusing.
Gonna be hard to do when the oil is all dedicated to military use.

We’ll need to hone the skills needed to make booze, for sure, Frank.

You get your seed from Native Seeds/SEARCH, Guy?

]]> By: Stan Moore http://guymcpherson.com/2009/11/bread-and-circuses/#comment-2283 Stan Moore Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:00:14 +0000 http://guymcpherson.com/?p=200#comment-2283 I would say that a collapsing economy and depleted petroleum supplies may make the transition to reneewables a physical impossibility at the scale of our current human endeavors. Which is an indictment for failure to proceed forthwith with the warning signals readily available in the 1970's. Has anyone beside me noticed that flagrant design of automobiles now in non-aeordynamic shapes, like those squared-off cruiser vehicles that completely defy the aerodynamic logic that was so prevalent back when we were concerned about future fuel supplies? The realities of how many wind and water turbines it would take to replace fossil fuels shows once again how nature's endowment has been squandered in a one-time enterprise that can never be repeated on this planet. We had a beautiiful inheritance from nature, and we squandered it and will be lucky to escape with our lives, even in small numbers. Stan Moore I would say that a collapsing economy and depleted petroleum supplies may make the transition to reneewables a physical impossibility at the scale of our current human endeavors.

Which is an indictment for failure to proceed forthwith with the warning signals readily available in the 1970′s.

Has anyone beside me noticed that flagrant design of automobiles now in non-aeordynamic shapes, like those squared-off cruiser vehicles that completely defy the aerodynamic logic that was so prevalent back when we were concerned about future fuel supplies?

The realities of how many wind and water turbines it would take to replace fossil fuels shows once again how nature’s endowment has been squandered in a one-time enterprise that can never be repeated on this planet. We had a beautiiful inheritance from nature, and we squandered it and will be lucky to escape with our lives, even in small numbers.

Stan Moore

]]> By: Greg Breneman http://guymcpherson.com/2009/11/bread-and-circuses/#comment-2281 Greg Breneman Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:38:12 +0000 http://guymcpherson.com/?p=200#comment-2281 The latest november scientific american has an interesting article on getting all our energy from renewables by 2030. It only requires 3.8 million 5megawatt windmills,490,000 tidal turbines,720,000 wave converters,89,000 solar power plants and 1.7 billion rooftop photovoltaic systems. I cannot wait to see what anyone has to say about this. The latest november scientific american has an interesting article on getting all our energy from renewables by 2030. It only requires 3.8 million 5megawatt windmills,490,000 tidal turbines,720,000 wave converters,89,000 solar power plants and 1.7 billion rooftop photovoltaic systems. I cannot wait to see what anyone has to say about this.

]]> By: Stan Moore http://guymcpherson.com/2009/11/bread-and-circuses/#comment-2280 Stan Moore Tue, 24 Nov 2009 04:59:21 +0000 http://guymcpherson.com/?p=200#comment-2280 Good news Guy! The climate change debacle can be over with by the next new millenium (Year 3000 AD) if we stop greenhouse gas emissions now, according to the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. see: http://nihongo.j-talk.com/parser/index.php?link=http://www.pnas.org/content/106/6/1704.full Good news Guy!

The climate change debacle can be over with by the next new millenium (Year 3000 AD) if we stop greenhouse gas emissions now, according to the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

see:

http://nihongo.j-talk.com/parser/index.php?link=http://www.pnas.org/content/106/6/1704.full

]]> By: Stan Moore http://guymcpherson.com/2009/11/bread-and-circuses/#comment-2279 Stan Moore Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:30:16 +0000 http://guymcpherson.com/?p=200#comment-2279 It was interesting to hear an interview with Naomi Klein on Democracy Now this morning. She pointed out the emergence of young people beginning to focus on issues rather than personalities and hopefully to attempt to hold Obama and the Democrats accountable. She also noted how Obama has effectively used marketing concepts to create political illusions without direct promises to which he can be pinned down and held accountable. NK thinks Obama will go to Copenhagen and pronounce a success. Unfortunately, that "success" will be unmeasurable and actually fantasy, just like all his other shenanigans. I see the day coming when Obama will tell his supporters that he did everything he possibly could, but now they are on their own, the government is broke, the shit has hit the fan, and he must take cover... Stan Moore It was interesting to hear an interview with Naomi Klein on Democracy Now this morning. She pointed out the emergence of young people beginning to focus on issues rather than personalities and hopefully to attempt to hold Obama and the Democrats accountable. She also noted how Obama has effectively used marketing concepts to create political illusions without direct promises to which he can be pinned down and held accountable.

NK thinks Obama will go to Copenhagen and pronounce a success. Unfortunately, that “success” will be unmeasurable and actually fantasy, just like all his other shenanigans.

I see the day coming when Obama will tell his supporters that he did everything he possibly could, but now they are on their own, the government is broke, the shit has hit the fan, and he must take cover…

Stan Moore

]]> By: Frank Mezek http://guymcpherson.com/2009/11/bread-and-circuses/#comment-2278 Frank Mezek Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:22:22 +0000 http://guymcpherson.com/?p=200#comment-2278 Prof Em Guy: Yikes,cause for an extra drop when the sun sets below the yard arm. Frank Prof Em Guy:

Yikes,cause for an extra drop when the sun sets below the yard arm.

Frank

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