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Reasons Why the Recent Chick-fil-A Controversy is Bad for Our Environment

Thu, Aug 16, 2012

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by Samantha Gray

With problems like global warming, rising oceans and more plaguing our planet, it baffles my mind that people are wasting their time and energy worrying about the beliefs and values of a fast food restaurant owner. How is that relevant to our immediate or long-term existence? From what I can see it’s not. What’s more is the whole thing has done more harm than good to the earth as a whole. Read on to learn just some of the ways this whole situation has negatively impacted our environment.

Distracting from Bigger Problems

My biggest issue with this whole thing has been the fact that so much media coverage has centered around it. You couldn’t turn on a radio, watch the news or visit a webpage without learning a new “development” in this chicken sandwich saga. Never mind that there were other news stories breaking, or advancements being made in other realms, no our nation wanted to hear about its precious chicken.

Think of how different our world might be if people invested that same fervor and outrage into controversies surrounding deforestation or oil fracking—you know, issues that have a direct impact on EVERYBODY’S collective future. Now, I’m not saying the issues of equality aren’t important, and I definitely don’t share the views of Chick-fil-A’s leaders. What I’m attacking is the media frenzy that swept the nation. Does it really take a tray of fried foods to get us going?

The fight for equality shouldn’t have needed a fast food chain to get the ball rolling, but thus is our society’s reality. Which brings me to my next point.

Setting a Bad Example

Whether you’re conservative or liberal, gay or straight, this whole thing has done nothing but set a bad example for our younger generations. For those with parents or guardians on the right, they have most likely shoved inordinate amounts of waffle fries in their mouths over the past few days, as their mothers and fathers rushed through drive-thrus in support of “traditional values.” Really?! Spending $20 on a handful of chicken sandwiches for dinner represents traditional values? I thought tradition was a home-cooked meal, derived from wholesome, natural ingredients—not processed mush. Talk about hypocritical. All they are really doing is supporting the huge wave of wasteful consumerism that has overtaken our country.

And sure, those of you on the other side of the fence might have refrained from the battered fare for the time being, but you were obviously hooked on it enough to make a big stink about this in the first place. So again, what kind of example is any of this setting? That our nutrient-deficient food chains also double as policy-makers? That doesn’t seem healthy to me. A fast food chain—or any chain for that matter—should never have that much power or control over a society.

The best thing we could do for them at this time would be to remove them from the whole thing and redirect their values, because right now we are raising a bunch of drive-thru delinquents who will be in God knows what shape in 20 years.

Drive-Thru Emissions and Mass Production

While the previous two reasons were more abstract consequences of the whole scandal, this one is definitely more concrete and direct. By increasing the coverage and glorification of this company, we have only indirectly fueled their business, which in turn means more cars idling in drive-thru lanes, more trips to and from the restaurant and an increased demand for mass-produced “food.” All of these things are direct sources of harmful pollutants, meaning that our emissions have more than likely skyrocketed in the last month. Would you like a big-ole-helping of smog with that order? You got it.

Fueling discussion amongst everyone from college students to senior citizens, this whole situation is the perfect example of how our nation’s priorities as a whole are so out of whack. This is not where our focus should lie. So, until we recognize and rectify that, we have bigger problems on our hands.

Samantha Gray freelances for various websites and publications, and her writing often focuses on providing information via BachelorsDegreeOnline.com. She also enjoys writing poetry and short fiction. She loves receiving reader feedback, which can be directed to samanthagray024@gmail.com.

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73 Responses to “Reasons Why the Recent Chick-fil-A Controversy is Bad for Our Environment”

  1. Morocco Bama Says:

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    I’m thinking up a marketing campaign. Envision a cow, a pig, a fish and a chicken holding up together a giant petition from all other species, other than human, on the planet that also serves as a sign that says:

    EAT MORE HUMANS

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  2. The REAL Dr. House Says:

    Samantha, great essay. As a physician who is awake to collapse and also gay, it’s particularly of interest to me.

    Spending $20 on a handful of chicken sandwiches for dinner represents traditional values? I thought tradition was a home-cooked meal, derived from wholesome, natural ingredients—not processed mush.

    I am absolutely astonished at how very few people eat home cooked meals anymore – particularly young families.

    The best thing we could do for them at this time would be to remove them from the whole thing and redirect their values, because right now we are raising a bunch of drive-thru delinquents who will be in God knows what shape in 20 years.

    20 years? Try now. Childhood obesity is epidemic. I have 10 and 12 year olds who are on cholesterol medicine – why? Because Mom (and Dad if there’s one involved) can’t be bothered to actually buy and cook healthy foods. I don’t know how many times a parent has told me “I just can’t get little Johnny to eat anything other than McDonald’s fries” or something similar. When I ask them why they just don’t go to McDonalds, they look at me as if I’ve just grown another nose on my face.

    So, yeah, our priorities as a country, and as a species, are totally out of whack. But I knew that long before the Chick-Fil-A saga – it’s been evident for years.

  3. The REAL Dr. House Says:

    I will add to the above that another reason why parents choose cholesterol medicine (or BP medicine, etc.) for their children as opposed to eating better is because medicaid will pay for that medicine and good healthy food is way more expensive than junk food. More evidence that our priorities are totally screwed up.

  4. BC Nurse Prof Says:

    Tim Garrett on the persistance of civilization growth:

    http://arxiv.org/pdf/1101.5635v1.pdf

    Abstract:

    In a recent study, I described theoretical arguments and empirical evidence showing how civilization evolution might be considered from a purely physical basis. One implication is that civilization exhibits the property of persistence in its growth. Here, this argument is elaborated further, and specific near-term forecasts are provided for key economic variables and anthropogenic CO2 emission rates at global scales. Absent some external shock, civilization wealth, energy consumption and carbon dioxide emissions will continue to grow exponentially at an average rate of about 2.3% per year.

    Accepted for publication in the journal Climate Change.

  5. The REAL Dr. House Says:

    To your point Samantha:

    Study: News networks largely ignored climate change during hottest month ever

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/16/study-news-networks-largely-ignored-climate-change-during-hottest-month-ever/

    An excerpt:

    Even amid July’s record-breaking heat wave, America’s most-watched news networks largely ignored the subject of climate change, according to a study by the liberal watchdog group Media Matters.

    Media Matters found that ABC and CNN were the worst offenders, with just 2 percent and 4 percent of their extreme weather coverage carrying any mention of climate change, respectively. The left-leaning network MSNBC was the only network to discuss climate change in almost all of its segments on extreme weather during the month of July, the study added.

    Surprisingly, the right-leaning Fox News Channel came in second place, but that’s not saying much: only 16 percent of the network’s extreme weather coverage mentioned climate change. CBS and NBC placed third and fourth, at 15 percent and 11 percent.

  6. Tom Says:

    http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/08/16/681571/jeremy-grantham-on-welcome-to-dystopia-we-are-entering-a-long-term-and-politically-dangerous-food-crisis/

    Jeremy Grantham on ‘Welcome to Dystopia’: We Are ‘Entering A Long-Term And Politically Dangerous Food Crisis’

    “Summary of the Summary: We are five years into a severe global food crisis that is very unlikely to go away. It will threaten poor countries with increased malnutrition and starvation and even collapse. Resource squabbles and waves of food-induced migration will threaten global stability and global growth. This threat is badly underestimated by almost everybody and all institutions with the possible exception of some military establishments.”

  7. Robin Datta Says:

    Very thoughtful post, SG: thank you.

    Maybe we can start a new Olympics paradigm, such as

    Weather Olympics vs. Climate Change? A harbinger of things to come?
    California Hit With Hottest Rain in Recorded History

    According to Weather Underground, the city of Needles, California, recently experienced what is believed to be the hottest rainfall on record. On Monday, not long after hitting a daytime high of 118°F (the hottest it’s ever been there, by the way), a thunderstorm rolled through, dropping precipitation over the Mojave Desert town that reached a scorching 115°F.

    “Monday’s rain at 115° in Needles sets a new world record for the hottest rain in world history,” writes weather expert Dr. Jeff Masters.

    But that wasn’t the only record set that day. The rain fell with conditions at just 11 percent humidity, “the lowest humidity rain has ever occurred at anywhere on Earth in recorded history.”

  8. Robin Datta Says:

    I’m thinking up a marketing campaign. Envision a cow, a pig, a fish and a chicken holding up together a giant petition from all other species, other than human, on the planet that also serves as a sign that says:

    EAT MORE HUMANS

    That won’t be necessary. Microbes have been doing it since before there were pre-humans. And if NBL’s prognostications are anywhere near the mark. It’s gonna be one helluva feast.

  9. Morocco Bama Says:

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    But that wasn’t the only record set that day. The rain fell with conditions at just 11 percent humidity, “the lowest humidity rain has ever occurred at anywhere on Earth in recorded history.”

    Now that is interesting…very interesting. It supports the theory about The Quickening of the water cycle.

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  10. Morocco Bama Says:

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    It’s gonna be one helluva feast.

    I know, I know, but everyone luvs a good marketing campaign. Why do you think Superbowl commercials are so popular?

    But man oh man, it’s going to stink to high heaven. I don’t want to be around for that. I’m very sensitive to foul odors, so, I hope they choke me in the shallow water before I get to deep.

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  11. Morocco Bama Says:

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    Combining the following

    Think of how different our world might be if people invested that same fervor and outrage into controversies surrounding deforestation or oil fracking—you know, issues that have a direct impact on EVERYBODY’S collective future……

    with this

    and her writing often focuses on providing information about obtaining an online bachelor degree.

    you can get this:

    Think how different the world would be if people would focus the same fervor and outrage in obtaining online bachelor’s degrees.

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  12. Morocco Bama Says:

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    U.S. News & World Report validates that last quote. If enough people get degrees, they will live longer. So, there is a way to survive the imminent collapse. Get yourself educated, and take out plenty of loans to do so, because you won’t have to pay them back, and you’ll make someone rich as a result, and who doesn’t want to make someone rich so long as you get an examined life in return?

    http://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/the-best-life/2012/08/13/education-a-predictor-of-longer-life

    If you want to know how long you will live, you might stop fretting over genetics and family history and instead look at your educational achievements. Education is certainly not the only variable associated with longer lives, but it may be the most powerful.

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  13. Morocco Bama Says:

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    Eat Mor Chikin
    Smear The Queers
    Devour The Planet
    And Never Fear
    Jesus Luvs You
    Consume The Flesh of Christ
    Buy Mor Stuff
    Embrace The Heist
    There’s No Such Thing As Enough
    Jesus Luvs You

    Moo!!!

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  14. ed Says:

    Mangle Beets. I just found out about these at one of our Amish Neighbors. Their kids raise them to feed the guinea pigs that they sell to pet stores. I thought they were chard by the looks of their tops. I asked an old dairy farmer if he had ever heard of them. He said that when he was young it was one of the big sources for food for the cows in winter. A little digging around shows that they can get as big as 15 pounds a piece. One blogger said that a 250′ row was enough for 50 chickens for the winter. Didn’t elaborate on what “enough” meant. Thought some of you trying to keep critters would find this helpful. Good for humans as well. The greens I tasted were just like regular old beets. Saw a mangle beet curry. For those of you down under it seems to grow well in your climate.

    http://www.rangeviewseeds.com.au/product.php?productid=16529

  15. Tom Says:

    Thanks for the tip ed. Always good to add to what’s workin’.

    My son lives in Kinzers so i’m real familiar with the Mennonite and Amish cultures. i love those little stands way out off 10 or 41 that just have a Mason jar for the money and bunches of veggies or berries, corn, even watermelon – fresh that day and real reasonably priced.

    i used to absolutely hate beets – wouldn’t go near ‘em. Yeah, yeah good for me my ass! They taste like shit. So my wife asks me to grow a row this spring and of course they came out great (i was hopin’ they’d croak). So she cooks ‘em up, says try it – i couldn’t believe it. i ate a nice serving with the meal. So she wants to expand it to two rows this coming spring (if the world doesn’t collapse by then), including something called “golden beets” that i haven’t looked up yet.

    Morrocco on a roll today!

    TRDH: My youngest is a perfusionist and regales me with medical stories, pharmaceutical shortages i wasn’t aware of, and interesting personal accounts.

    Robin: great article – now THAT’S gonna be hard for the idiot deniers to argue with, especially since, by their reasoning, if it snows in the winter it proves climate change is a hoax made up by Al Gore for the coming landing of the ‘eee-tee’s.

  16. ed Says:

    Ah Tom, you should have been here a year or two ago, when the doers were everywhere on this site. Best site anywhere, hands down. Everyone hates beets until they are cooked correctly.

    Where is Kinzers? Dinner tonight is kale, corn, and squash soup.

    We were admiring the Amish woman’s pear tree. She said she gets 100 quarts of pears out of that tree a year. We are more in to drying and freezing, but we know how to can if we have to.

  17. the virgin terry Says:

    what should be done with cat feces that’s coated with cat litter? the litter is unscented, ‘all natural’, made of clay, but it says on the bag ‘not recommended for garden use’. it’s just a little coating on the turds. perhaps a little ‘all natural’ ‘litter’ in the compost is ok considering there’s more feces being added, or should i not add this stuff to it at all?

  18. BillT Says:

    The name of the game is Distraction!

    All of the so called ‘news’ is fluff that would have been found in the old National Enquirer gossip rag and delegated to the minority without a life. Now it is front page news…but what is not on the front page is the real news. Like the continuing wars all over the world, the dying Euro, the failing world economies, the peak in most natural resources, the expanding debt, the increase in poverty in the Western world, etc. ALL relegated to a few lines at best and forgotten quickly, least the sheeple wake up and demand change. Propaganda/ brainwashing at it’s best!

  19. Morocco Bama Says:

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    I’ve always been fond of beets…it must be the Slavic in me. Anyway, Ed’s post gives the term Beeting Your Meat a whole new twist. The nuns were wrong, it is healthy, and should be encouraged rather than discouraged.

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  20. Robin Datta Says:

    Ed’s post gives the term Beeting Your Meat a whole new twist. The nuns were wrong, it is healthy, and should be encouraged rather than discouraged.

    When I lived in Louisvll, KY, there was a meat wholesaler called Tom. Their slogan on their trucks said “You can’t beat Tom’s meat!”

  21. Kathy C Says:

    Back from my trip to see my Dad in Atlanta. I go most of the way by shuttle and public transport so have the time to just read and leave the traffic to someone else. Read the book The Last Policeman by Ben Winters
    What’s the point in solving murders if we’re all going to die? Detective Hank Palace has asked this question ever since asteroid 2011GV1 hovered into view. Several kilometers wide, it’s on a collision course with planet Earth, with just six precious months until impact
    While our impending doom is not so precise in timing, not yet understood by the masses, and possibly not as devastating, it is still a doom seen by many here. So I found the book of interest in the way the various characters reacted to the news that life on earth was over as of a specific date. While not a great read it was a good thought provoking read. People go all the way from suicide, and drugs to obsessively carrying on with their jobs as if the end was not nigh.

    Ed I tried Mangles thinking if I didn’t find them palatable I could cook them and feed to the chickens. Had the same bug problems as I have had with chard – in other words the leaves just got mangled by bugs. Too bad as I was most hopeful. Ah well with the world warming before long you in the north will understand what we in the south have to face. I have gardened in Western NY, California, TN and NC and I can tell you that farming here in Alabama is the greatest challenge with insects. The only redeeming part is that we have a long season. This year something is even eating on my field peas – not bad yet in terms of number of pods eaten, but where it is eating them it splits the pod and eats every pea within leaving just a shell. Haven’t found the culprit yet but it doesn’t bode well for our trustworthy protein crop.

  22. ed Says:

    Kathy, before this year I have never covered beets with row covers. No hoops, just let them float. This was mostly for the bunnies that would chew the leaves down to the ground. What we ended up with, are the best beet greens we have ever had, during our worst bug year. Doing it now with the beans. I have to take the covers off during the day for pollination. It’s a little bit more work, but worth it.
    I don’t envy you in the heat. Right now our bug population is on its way out. Everyone rushing to get crops in that will go into storage.

  23. Tom Says:

    the virgin terry:
    don’t use cat litter or the feces of any soft pawed animals as compost -it’s toxic. Just toss it in the trash or bury it somewhere else on your property (preferably as far from any veg garden as you can get).

  24. Tom Says:

    Robin – that slogan made me laugh! Thanks for the abstract too. i hope someone in charge takes notice and actually does something about it. i think it’s too late and that we’re already well on our way out, but that it’s slow at first and, like this year in the midwest and south, begins to bite hard as the years go by and we keep doing the same wrong-headed living. i fully expect it to get worse each year until humanity is completely overwhelmed with misery, destruction, and death.

    ed: Kinzers is on rt 30 east of Lancaster. Yeah, in the fall my wife makes a real tasty root vegetable soup and she’s also “thrown together” a braized root veg casserole that satisfies and leaves a smile on ma mug. Our salads have been so good this summer with fresh picked chard and a little kale mixed in to the other varieties of lettuce and tomatos, peppers (i grew one this year that’s rippin’ hot) and cucumbers. The squash went nuts this year and produced way more than anyone could eat – gift to the local food pantry (in Downingtown) along with bags of the kale and chard.

  25. Morocco Bama Says:

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    Kathy, this movie would compliment that book. OzMan, this is what mass psychosis will look like….in the beginning, and then it will go downhill from there. By the way, does anyone take any of these movies I suggest under advisement, or am I just posting them in vain?

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  26. Kathy C Says:

    Ed, don’t row covers have a limited lifespan. How long after collapse will you be able to get row cover material?

  27. Kathy C Says:

    http://fairewinds.com/content/lessons-not-learned-fukushima-daiichi

    good interview with Arnie Gunderson on the status of various nuclear issues world wide. The interviewer isn’t great, but Arnie as usual refuses to jump on just any bandwagon, but sticks to what he knows is verified (he has plenty of experience from his years working for the industry). And it is still scary, very scary. We have made a very fragile world for ourselves for the sake of money and comfort.

  28. Morocco Bama Says:

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    you should have been here a year or two ago, when the doers were everywhere on this site

    Blessed are The Doers, for they shall inherit all the melting down nuclear reactors.

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  29. The REAL Dr. House Says:

    Robin, the arctic methane article you posted is far too technical for me to read during my breakfast this morning, but I did look at the various graphs. Yet more hockey sticks. Damn things are cropping up everywhere!

  30. The REAL Dr. House Says:

    Morocco Bama, I don’t know about anyone else, of course, but I generally look at most of the links people share here. For the most part, I really enjoy reading the shared thoughts and opinions of those who post on NBL, so I figure if they think something is worth reading or watching, then it probably is. Time is my limiting factor unfortunately.

  31. Kathy C Says:

    Morocco
    “Blessed are The Doers, for they shall inherit all the melting down nuclear reactors.”

    Oh thanks, I needed that. I was so gungho when I first read of peak oil, but the future of humanity looks dimmer with every passing day and my body gets more feeble with every passing year.

    So I do have a garden and chickens and a wood stove and a lifetime supply of bow saw blades and a hand pump in a drilled well. But after this summer I know that gardening without pumped water is out for me – no way I could hand pump enough to grow food through such heat and drought. So my enthusiasm for extending survival dims all the time.

  32. OzMan Says:

    Samantha Gray

    Re: “Distracting from Bigger Problems”

    I think this says it all…

    Morocco Bama

    I look at your video posts, mostly with gratitude, but that one about mass psychosis,… it seems to me…well… isn’t that just how North Americans are?
    When your sense of self is so shallow, culturally speaking, and based on something so dubious as consumption and affluence display, well the bubble bursting is not pretty.
    At least roosters, male Peackocks, and silverback gorillas can back up their displays with some through and through aggression, to the death. Also, this clip is a little too NY neurotic to be representative, IMO. Still, Texas neurotic is to build a bomb shelter with a TV suite, as if TV will run in a Nuclear humbo.

    Speaking of shallow identities… I watched most of a Doco on the Nazi Lebensborn program in Europe which took place between 1935-1945. Talk about haveing a FUBARed sense of identity.

    Anyhow, although this is an overstatement, it is some of how I feel after tracing where the gold came from that kick started the European Industrial Revolution. Namely South America, at the point of bayonets and swords with Cortez et al. Also the influenza and measils and all the other diseases, did a lot of the hard killing.
    It feels a bit like when in ‘Blade Runner’ Roy Batty meets his maker, Tyrell, only to discover he is a quintessential Capitalist. Kinda sucks your heart out.
    Perhaps that is an unconscious factor in wanting so much to find honourable Hunter Gatherers in our ancient past. At a guess there were probaly a range of ‘types’ of H/Gs, some fiercly terratorial and vigilant, like many of teh Australian Aboriginees. And then some were probably less so, and more accomodating. Any views on that would be much appreciated by anyone.
    I think one of our real unaddressed problems as a species is that we are so very successful at surviving in this world, especially as Hunter Gatherers – so adaptable and masterful at the hand-brain makey-makey thing.
    What I want to know now is what were the regional climactic conditions like in the Indus Valley before the rise of the ‘fertile cresent’ so much lauded in the 1980′s as the cradle of civilisation?

    My hokum armshair guess would be extremely hard. Enough incentive to down tools and dig in when some anomolous wet decades came hot on its heels.

  33. Yorchichan Says:

    Robin and TRDH

    The arctic methane article proposes extracting the methane before it gets released into the atmosphere so that it can be burned as a ‘green’ fuel. I think I see a flaw (or two) in this cunning plan!

    Morocco Bama

    15 minutes of Antichrist was enough for me to decide we probably have different tastes in movies. (Lucky the kids were in bed before the start of that one!) May give you a second chance with The Scent Of Green Papaya ;) .

  34. OzMan Says:

    Kathy C

    I heard of a device that I guy here invented that expracts water from the air with a passive method. I suspect it was bought as a patent and never seen again by someone from ‘big water’. I looked around a year ago but only found Israeli electrical systems, not passive. In a drought I suppose there may not be much water in the air to get. I suspect that there is some though. I will look again, because as lights go out no patent is enforcable and we can use whatever we can contrive.
    I bet if you put a sign up that reads:
    ” Unique sustainable biosphere farmstay project, German Backpackers welcome. Work for a few months and help grow the world out of cunsumption and poverty.”

    I bet you would get a few young strapping Hans or even a scandinavian Sven, who would pump your water for you. It would be all in the pitch though.

  35. the virgin terry Says:

    morocco, i generally check out your video links only for a few seconds. as others stated, limited time.

    tom, thanks for the cat litter reply. i decided to do a little further research on it. some disagreement, but most responses agree with u. makes me feel bad for having a cat. but then, i figure, so do lots of other sheople, including some neighbors, and when the cats are outdoors and have to go, places with exposed dirt like gardens are natural choices, so either way… if one thing doesn’t kill u or make u sick, something else will eventually. however, i won’t compost cat feces any more. i still feel bad about having to dispose of the litter, but it’s just an infintessimal drop in the bucket of environmental harms done by humans, i suppose.

  36. Morocco Bama Says:

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    For the most part, I really enjoy reading the shared thoughts and opinions of those who post on NBL, so I figure if they think something is worth reading or watching, then it probably is. Time is my limiting factor unfortunately.

    Same here. As I’ve told OzMan, everyone and everything is my guru, whether they/it want to be, or not.

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  37. Morocco Bama Says:

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    15 minutes of Antichrist was enough for me to decide we probably have different tastes in movies.

    Yeah, it’s not for the faint of heart, but it’s nothing to do with my tastes in movies. I keep an open mind, and explore when it comes to movies, so I don’t necessarily have a taste for one thing or another, but rather a wide palate so as to capture worthwhile gems. Antichrist is deeply philosophical and metaphorical and full of gems that serve as food for thought. If you’re an absolutist who makes up their mind quickly and doesn’t like to ponder things too long, or too deeply, then it’s not for you. It’s a movie that operates multi-dimensionally, meaning it’s multi-layered, and of course, with a name like that, you wouldn’t invite the kiddies to watch.

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  38. Morocco Bama Says:

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    morocco, i generally check out your video links only for a few seconds. as others stated, limited time.

    Well, that’s another reason to look forward to the coming collapse. We’ll all have much more of that precious time we’re so often without these days.

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  39. Kathy C Says:

    VT instead of using kitty litter use dirt. That’s what I always did when I had cats. Then you can put it all back in the ground. As far as cat feces being toxic the buggy that they carry (toxoplasmosis) you probably already have been infected with. If you have any pregnant women in the house that is a different matter. A little more info here and you can search further from there – If you are worried about cat feces in the garden use a flower bed to dump the feces in. There is some interesting conjecture about toxoplasmosis and humans and I will post a link to that next comment. As far as e-coli it is a normal gut bacteria. The dangerous one I understand evolved in the guts of cows in feedlots and it is unlikely that any e-coli from your cat will make you sick but I don’t use any manure around leaf veggies unless it has been well composted.

    http://www.vetinfo.com/health-risks-cat-feces.html/

  40. Kathy C Says:

    We like to think that we are masters of our own fates. The thought that others might be instead controlling our actions makes us uneasy. We rail against nanny states, we react badly to media hype and we are appalled at the idea of brainwashing. But words and images are not the only things that can affect our brains and thoughts. Other animals – parasites – can do this too. According to research by Kevin Lafferty from the University of California, Santa Barbara, a common brain parasite, Toxoplasma gondii, could be influencing human culture across the globe- rest at http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2008/10/05/toxoplasma-the-brain-parasite-that-influences-human-culture/

  41. Morocco Bama Says:

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    It’s a good thing you got rid of your cats, Kathy C. Per this article, cat ladies are more prone to suicide…..most likely because of the article you cited.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/the-hot-button/cat-ladies-may-be-more-likely-to-attempt-suicide-scientists-say/article4385919/

    So you love cats. No big deal, right? Having a few of them has no effect on your mental health. Well, actually, it might.

    According to new research from the University of Maryland, owning cats may be a risk factor in why some people attempt suicide. The study looked at the effects of the common cat parasite Toxoplasma gondii, which has been attributed to mental health issues in humans in the past. The nasty bug is found in cat feces, making cat litter boxes a cesspool of disease that is repulsive not only for its choking smell but for its health effect.

    Specifically this research, which looked at over 45,000 Danish cat owners, found that infected women (yes, they were all women) were one-and-a-half times more likely to try to kill themselves than women who didn’t have the parasite.

    I’m a dog person, myself, namely a golden retriever named Sylvie. She watched Antichrist with us, and didn’t seem to object.

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  42. Morocco Bama Says:

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    I look at your video posts, mostly with gratitude, but that one about mass psychosis,… it seems to me…well… isn’t that just how North Americans are?
    When your sense of self is so shallow, culturally speaking, and based on something so dubious as consumption and affluence display, well the bubble bursting is not pretty.

    Uhhh…yes, that’s been my point, and the movie I linked to is a satire of that outcome, and imo, it’s one of the best satires I’ve ever come across in cinema. Check out the ending here, it’s priceless, and if you don’t, or can’t, laugh at that, then there’s no use in going on, because laughter is, to me at least, one of the things that makes life worth living.

    .

  43. Kathy C Says:

    Or Morocco, women who are depressed are more likely to own cats in the hopes that the friendship will ease their loneliness. Cats can be a very poor choice for anyone seeking to relieve loneliness therefore when the cats are fickle they figure if even a cat can’t love them what hope is there?

    Myself I have had enough cats, cleaned enough litter boxes, and am not a cleanliness nut therefore I suspect I have been infected with Toxoplasma gondii already. Que sera, sera http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVuEC3r7a-o

  44. Michael Irving Says:

    the virgin terry,

    I agree with you on the waste of throwing out the cat litter but I think Tom has it right. Seems like it should be good for something (maybe growing redwood trees) rather than being shunted off to the landfill, however, my daughter has informed me, in no uncertain terms, that cat feces likely contains pathogens that are harmful to humans and thus should not be composted with everything else.

    My take on it is similar to yours. If cats are pooping all over the place how are you going to protect yourself? Taking that a step further, over the long time (5000+ years?) that humans and cats have been closely associated why is it that all of the humans haven’t died from cat disease? It makes sense to me to not compost it for use in the garden, but why not use it outside of the veggie garden, to help grow shade trees for example? You might have to start a second compost pile to decompose the cat crap but what are those little microbes good for if not making the earth a verdant, healthy place? I have great faith in decomposers to do the right thing by the cat crap.

    Michael Irving

  45. Kathy C Says:

    As the scientist who helped eradicate smallpox he certainly know a thing or two about extinction.
    And now Professor Frank Fenner, emeritus professor of microbiology at the Australian National University, has predicted that the human race will be extinct within the next 100 years

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1287643/Human-race-extinct-100-years-population-explosion.html#ixzz23w7DK9eE

  46. the virgin terry Says:

    kathy, thanks for the link to fascinating articles on toxoplasma, the brain parasite associated with cats, rats, and humans. before today i don’t think i’d ever even heard of it. regarding it’s making humans more neurotic, perhaps this works in the parasite’s favor. neurotic humans have more pet cats (being neurotic makes human companionship less likely, and thus pet companionship more likely?) i’m almost certainly infected with this parasite, and at least a bit neurotic. this is the sort of information that should and would be much more widely known in a rational human culture. it’s certainly relevant to the decision of having a cat in one’s home.

    i’m kind of regretful i got this kitten. for one thing, i figure it’s better to head into the abyss with as little emotional baggage, responsibility for others, or attachment, as possible. the less there is to mourn, the better. plus a cat can be very distracting, very demanding of attention. this kitten likes to stick his moist nose into my nose, giving me a case of summertime sniffles. just like their parasite, cats have evolved to take advantage of the humans who domesticated them. they know how to endear themselves. and now this. oh well, at least it’s fascinating to learn about. surreal.

  47. BenjaminTheDonkey Says:

    Philosophers stay up all night
    To make moral arguments tight;
    But much more laconic,
    A simple mnemonic
    Reminds us that “might makes right.”

  48. Robin Datta Says:

    TVT:
    More about toxoplasma:

    TWiP 12: Toxoplasma gondii

    The next episode, TWiP 13, is also on Toxplasma gondii.

  49. Kathy C Says:

    TVT ah heck, just love the little fluff ball and stop worrying about what is right and wrong to do. Stop worrying about germs, we are all going to get massively irradiated when the grid fails. Don’t worry, be happy!

    Benjamin – that about sums it up. A limerick forces one to not litter up the message with a lot of verbiage. :)

  50. Morocco Bama Says:

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    Yeah, “Might Makes Right” is a pretty tight moral argument in and of itself, and it’s an efficient philosophy that doesn’t require too much thought.

    Yes, tvt, continue killing the sea otters, and keep the kitty.

    .

  51. BenjaminTheDonkey Says:

    Kathy C, thank you! :)
    Morocco Bama Says: “an efficient philosophy that doesn’t require too much thought.”

    D’oh! O.K.:
    ==

    A small tribe and family perk:
    That’s where fairness and empathy lurk;
    When whole countries fight,
    They adjudge “might makes right”
    Close enough for government work.

  52. Morocco Bama Says:

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    Thanks, Benjamin. Did your tight philosophical moral argument that took you two iterations to make more clear, take you all night?

    .

  53. Morocco Bama Says:

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    Poets Lament Life
    Civilization Rolls On
    The End Draws Closer

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  54. BenjaminTheDonkey Says:

    Morocco Bama, thanks very much for your well-grounded feedback. It does help clarify my thinking. :)

    But…I didn’t start on #2 until after your post this morning!? :D

  55. Kathy C Says:

    U.S. Summer heat wave packs bag and heads to Europe for holiday

    After touring the U.S. for two months (since mid-June) the great heat waves of the summer of 2012 have apparently decamped for Europe after a recent visit to the interior of the U.S. Southwest. Record-breaking heat is now forecast to impact the Iberian Peninsula and other portions of Western Europe in the coming week. In fact, a short but very intense heat wave has already afflicted portions of the continent earlier this month.

    http://www.wunderground.com/blog/weatherhistorian/comment.html?entrynum=86

  56. Kathy C Says:

    Morocco Thanks for the photo from Curiosity – will be my next computer wallpaper!

  57. BenjaminTheDonkey Says:

    (Note to self: don’t provoke philosophers.)
    More specific:
    ==

    Moralists stay up all night
    Making their arguments tight;
    But much more laconic,
    A simple mnemonic
    Reminds us that “might makes right.”

  58. Michael Irving Says:

    “Great photo from Mars lander here!”
    From it we can judge without fear,
    That everything’s show,
    But some of us know
    Laughter helps when the end’s drawing near.

  59. the virgin terry Says:

    i was just researching toxoplasma gondii at wikipedia, curious to see if it’s article included the fascinating material about subtle personality changes wrought by the viral parasite in human brains. as is often the case when i’m on wikipedia, i became curious to learn more about specific items mentioned in the article, one thing led to another, and before long, i was reading about some equally fascinating exotic psychiatric disorders, and a prominent example of a sherson afflicted with these disorders, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendi_Michelle_Scott

    a mother who deliberately severely abuses her own child, sometimes to the point of death, to satisfy her own pathological attention needs/desires is indeed sick, i hope everyone reading agrees. incredibly sick. i tie this in with our general discussion with the observation/opinion that civilization plays a critical role in the formation of extreme mental/psychological illness in many sheople. civilization is fucked up. the basic social unit in industrial civilized societies, the highly insular nuclear family, is a breeding ground for abuse, dysfunction, and the formation of insanity/irrationality. in it’s most extreme forms, it results in seemingly utterly senseless harmful behaviors which primitive ‘savages’ living within close intimate egalitarian communities would never develop.

    back to learning more about surreality, while there’s still time. keep the discussion, teaching, and learning going while u still can. with a nod towards ed particularly, especially keep on doing.

  60. Morocco Bama Says:

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    I thought you’d like that, Kathy C. You’re welcome.

    Benjamin, I’m just funnin with you. I respect and appreciate your poems. They’re witty, intelligent and highly salient.

    Michael, good one…you’re giving Benjamin a run for his money.

    .

  61. BenjaminTheDonkey Says:

    Thanks, Morocco Bama! :)
    ==
    Michael Irving Says: “Laughter helps when the end’s drawing near.”
    Absolutely! :)
    ==

    Laughter helps when the end’s drawing near,
    So when you first see it appear
    And it’s time to be dead:
    Bend way down with your head
    And kiss sweet goodbye to your rear.

  62. Robin Datta Says:

    Munchausen syndrome by proxy is one cause of Kempe’s syndrome.

  63. Curtis A. Heretic Says:

    Climate chaos causing a sea level problem? Don’t worry. Problem solved.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/golf-devil-ball-golf/floating-golf-course-could-coming-soon-maldives-160710732–golf.html

  64. Morocco Bama Says:

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    I Like Chick Fil A
    Their Waffle Fries – To Die For
    Marry A Chicken

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  65. Kathy C Says:

    Curtis, the world has now gotten so strange that civilization HAS to end.

  66. Michael Irving Says:

    BenjaminTheDonkey/Morocco Bama,

    Again with the laughter. You guys are the best! Thanks for that.

    Michael Irving

  67. OzMan Says:

    Australian Koalas endangered, shopping malls and suburbs are more important!

    https://www.savethekoala.com/our-work/koala-habitat-then-now

    ‘Losing our national icon’

    http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2012/08/21/3572586.htm

    An excerpt:
    Central Queensland Koala Research Centre research coordinator Alistair Melzer assisted with research for the program…..
    “The koala is unique in the world, it’s the only species in its family,” he says. “Once it’s gone and the entire group of koalas is extinct, it’s lost forever. It’s part of the national psyche and what being an Australian is all about along with kangaroos and emus and the like. If we lose the koala we’re losing part of our identity as an Australian.”

    Unfortunately this commentator still has a largely anthropocentric view of Koalas, with respect to the Australian Psyche – I don’t give a rats arse if we lose some imaginary bit of our ‘National Identity’.
    To borrow from Ex USA president Bill Clinton….
    It’s the Koalas Stupid!!!!

    And the ABC TV ’4 corners’ documentary program titled:

    ‘Koala Crunch Time’

    http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2012/08/16/3569231.htm

    As Guy points out, 200 species per day!
    No wonder many people either give up, or become militant. The machine needs stopping.
    Let me know if the links fail.

  68. OzMan Says:

    When I view the 45 minute 4 Corners documentary, for the second time it strikes me that there are similarities to how Empire treats(ed) endangered species and native peoples. There are moves to reservations, taking of customary lands, diseases, control of breeding and sterilisations, loss of spirit. I intend no disrespect to native peoples, but Empire seems to regard them both equally poorly and with contempt.

  69. OzMan Says:

    Oh yes, and also the mass slaughters over a century ago.

  70. Guy McPherson Says:

    With thanks to Samantha for her essay, I’ve posted anew. It’s an unusual one for me, and it’s here.