This time is different

Okay, I’m convinced. I’ve been wrong this entire time, but I’m willing to admit the error of my ways. It’s time to move on.

The industrial age will last forever, with no negative consequences for the living planet, including an infinite number of human occupants. If we find a use for those species that have inadvertently gone extinct, then we will develop technology to replace the species or bring them back from extinction. Or both.

When atmospheric carbon dioxide becomes problematic for humans, then appropriate technology will be developed. We will either extract carbon dioxide from the atmosphere or develop a way to cool Earth. Or both.

The news coming out of left-wing environmental organizations is ridiculous, and I’ll tolerate no more of it on this website. We solved the ozone problem at the South Pole and, when and if it becomes necessary, we’ll solve it at the North Pole. And enough about saving the whales: When was the last time you needed a whale, anyway?

When needed, we will find or create a comprehensive substitute for crude oil. Or both. Prices of our God-given resources will provide plenty of warning with respect to requisite changes in human behavior or technological developments. The free market has never failed, and it will never fail.

With respect to the number of humans on Earth, we have plenty of room and plenty of food. We could fit all the people on this planet into Texas — which is not a bad idea — and have plenty of space left over. We have food-distribution problems, but I’m confident the coming One World Government will be able to handle that problem

I used to refer to the U.S. as “Google Nation.” Like Google, it seemed had nearly unlimited information, but no wisdom. But now I know why we’re called the wise apes (sapiens = wise). We have all the knowledge and wisdom we’ll ever need to get us out of any predicament. There is no challenge we cannot conquer.

Now that the recession has ended and economic growth is fully under way, I’d like to take my proper place in the industrial economy. I will consider a position in government because government agencies exist to serve citizens. The Ministry of Truth would be a good fit for my skills. However, I would prefer a position in the private sector even more than I would value a position in government because real change occurs in the private sector. Sustainable growth of the industrial economy depends on research and development from corporations. In addition, the private sector must lead the way in economic growth and in setting the bar for ethical, humane behavior toward humans and other animals.

Anybody who is not earning a decent wage in this economy clearly is not trying hard enough. I have no pity for those losers, and I am certain they will not impede my quest for a high-paying job.

With every paycheck and bonus, I will invest heavily in the U.S. stock markets, using the tried-and-true strategy of “buy and hold.” I look forward to assisting in my own way to the ongoing progressive efforts of companies that contribute to our happiness and well-being, including such leading lights as Monsanto, BP, and DuPont.

My share of the rural property is for sale, effectively immediately. Please post a comment here if you’re interested, or send me a message. In the meantime, I hope to invest in a suburban house like the one shown below. In a few years, I’ll flip the house for a larger, shinier model.

Enough reading this drivel, everybody: It’s time to go back to work. It’s time to move some pixels around on our much-deserved imperial monitors, time to shop ’til we drop, time for the vaunted consumer to kick the engine of economic progress into overdrive. Otherwise, we’ll never get off this disgusting, depauperate planet. Our journey to other solar systems, other galaxies, and other universes is limited only by our imagination. Let’s aim for the stars!


Next-day updates (no foolin’):

Ellie — one of the goats we helped bring into the world last February — had kids of her own yesterday (two does and a buck). Tentative names, subject to suggestions from readers here: Joker, Fool, and Prank.

This 14-year-old clip from Good Will Hunting seems timely:


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Comments 64

  • Amen, Guy. To quote Julian Simon, we have “the technology to feed, clothe and supply energy to an ever-growing population for the next seven billion years.” And climate change? Pah, that’s just a liberal hoax. And anyway, as the ice in the Arctic melts we’ll be able to get in there and drill for more oil. Remember, Genesis 1:28 “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.” This is a war against nature, people, get with the program or the terrorists have won!

  • Guy, since the evidence all around us isn’t doing much good, humor is worth a try. However I am not sure that the majority of Americans will perceive it as humor….

  • RMI – what a bunch of wankers!

    I am now ashamed to admit that I read ‘Natural Capitalism’
    several years ago.

    bless the small, the modest and the handmade

    halve your demand – double your efficiency

    car free matt

  • As I mentioned many months ago, the Earth produces oil faster than we can use it, we are headed into an ice age, and debts and deficits don’t matter. Glad you have seen the light at last, Guy.

    To solve these dire problems it really is our duty to borrow money to buy gas-guzzlers and take long road trips -thereby saving the economy from imploding, saving the planet from oil volcanoes erupting, and preventing the Earth from freezing over.

    Even better, we should get everyone we know to borrow money to buy ocean-going launches, and hold a race round the world.

    Even better still, we should persuade everyone in industrialised nations borrow money to buy private jets, and spend all their time flitting from one underdeveloped nation to the next. That would really stimutate the economies of industrialised nations and oil exporting nations, and would redistribute wealth to underdeveloped nations.

    Our political and economic leaders have already shown us what to do. We just need to stop resisting and follow their example, and then all our problems will be solved.

  • Have I ventured onto an alien NBL site? What have you done with the REAL Guy McPherson??

    Or is this April 1?

  • Some All Fool’s Day Humor! Although sadly, it is not very funny since this is what the majority of people “know” to be true.

  • Not an April Fools unfortunately – from

    “An estimated 1,000 bodies of people killed by the tsunami remain within the evacuation zone. They cannot be removed because of the radiation hazard and pose an increasing health hazard.

    Heavy rainfall in the area is likely to increase the problems. It prevented a robot being used to spray resin that it is hoped will reduce the spread of radioactive material. The rain will increase the amount of runoff into the sea immediately. Many of the tunnels and channels are said to be within inches of overflowing already. A secondary effect will be to increase the amount of fallout from airborne radioactive material, with the result that animals grazing, vegetables and water supplies in the vicinity of the plant will be further contaminated.

    Conditions for workers at the plant are increasingly dangerous. The media has little or no access to them. But it has emerged from emails that some of them are sleeping in the plant itself. In some cases they have lead sheets to sleep on. But not all the workers have them. They are camping in conference rooms and offices. Their meals are limited to two a day and consist of instant rice and crackers.”

    “André-Claude Lacoste, head of France’s Nuclear Safety Authority, startled French parliamentarians when he admitted, “Nobody can guarantee that there will never be a nuclear accident in France”. Lacoste admitted at a parliamentary hearing that the French nuclear authorities had never taken possible natural disasters into account before in their safety planning. Yet there have been 1,700 noticeable earthquakes in France in the last 1,000 years.”

  • Guy,

    Scoff if you will, but I have it on good authority that the town your brother lives in will have its first hydrogen recharging station before summer is out. The Nissan Plebe has been built with dual capability and is being sold locally at a discount here to help smooth the transition.

    Michael Irving

  • WOW.

    Undeniably, most people think that way. It’s a complete suicide, but until I’ve seen this article I did not notice how mad people are!

  • It’s morning again in America.

  • Norris,
    Thank you so much for your thoughtful and informative comments. I missed the first one and have been so busy with a family visit and my real job (volunteer though it is) that I have been remiss in answering. Now NBL has moved on. I do have some thoughts I’d like to run by you but just now I do not have time to put them together.

    Michael Irving

  • SHIT. Anybody got a secondhand copy of ‘Astrology for Dummies’ they’d sell me? ;)

  • Wow. Brent crude is past $118 this morning. (No joke!)

    Industrial civilization gets sucker-punched… again.

  • Wrong day to announce a return to sanity.

  • Christoper
    Matt Savinar probably has a copy he will let you “have” for a knock down price. After all who needs to worry about peak oil when you can stare at uranus all day! : )
    Speaking of Uranus this seems to be the thing most people seem to be looking at these day judging by the crap that passes for entertainment on the box these day. As for the politicians, they just talk out of theirs.
    Nice essay Guy, glad your in such an upbeat mood!

  • Thanks Sue. I’d sooner stare at Uranus the rest of my life before I’d rejoin the rest of what passes for sanity these days. :)

  • I’m definitely interested in your rural property, but only because I think it would make a lovely subdivision.

  • Christopher – they have Astrology for Dummies on Amazon used book sellers for only $3.22 – not sure how that will help

    But given what is really coming down the pike isn’t this the book we need?
    Monsters: An Investigator’s Guide to Magical Beings (sorry folks I couldn’t resist – this is by John Michael Greer)

    “Join ceremonial magician John Michael Greer for a harrowing journey into the reality of the impossible. This book is your guide to the strange, spooky, and sometimes sinister world of the creatures who lurk in the shadowy realms outside the reality we take for granted.”

    I know, I know, I should lay off JMG……

  • Kathy – thanks. Good kindling!

  • This article in today’s NYT is not supposed to be an April Fool’s joke, but . . .

  • TRDH,

    Holy smoke! That article has a tiny bit of good news that the NYT is shouting about and the entire rest of the article says the economy is crap, especially if you are a worker or the one-in-three adults who is no longer in the job market—1/3 wow.

    The rest of you on NBL should review your allegiance to the NYT (just kidding).

    Thanks for the link.

    Michael Irving

  • $119!

    (Pass the popcorn.)

  • The Earth left to it’s own capabilites would have NEVER been depauperate.

  • Once upon a different (and IMO better) management Discover Magazine used to run April Fools articles. The best might have been the Hotheaded Naked Ice Borer –

    Per wiki “Discover magazine received more mail about this article than about any other article it had ever published.[1] A number of zoo officials and scientists called the magazine asking how they could acquire specimens of the creature.[citation needed]”

    I know that this has nothing to do with the state of the world, but I just remembered it and perhaps it has something to do with our belief in authority (desperate attempt at a tie in). I fell for at least one of their April Fools article. I hope I remember correctly that I didn’t fall for this one. Any rate with the price of oil zooming if you need a smile check the link to the article. Its a hoot.

  • welcome back sue day! i think i’ll pass on staring at uranus all day!

    kathy, your humor and enlightenment are always welcome here.

  • I don’t believe this. I actually read John Michael Greer’s blog sometimes, because I respect some of his ideas although I very, VERY strongly disagree with him on others, but did he seriously publish a book on monster-hunting?

    Granted, he did it back in 2005 or so, so maybe he’s changed since writing his blog.

  • Ah, so sweet when a prodigal son returns to the fold. Welcome back Guy.

  • In the news this week. “India’s population has reached 1,3 billion”. Greeted with the normal celebratory cheer.

  • Did not knaw that there was such a title as Astrology for Dummies.

  • Christopher thank you for your kind words! Although admittedly you have no idea what you would be letting yourself in for!

    Terry Im hurt! I thought we were friends?! : – ) As my heads a bit better I thought I should get back to my old job of lowering the intellectual content of this website. Its what I do best!

    If anyone is interested there is a lot of info on the fukushima disaster over at Modern survival blog. He leaves regular updates so it is well worth a look.

  • Forgetting this was posted on April 1st, I’m just gullible enough that for a moment there you had me going, Guy! I’d add a few chapters in there, the ones about road trips in the Ford Excursion, Go-gurt slurpin’/corn-dog chompin’ children, and endless hours of TV watching zombiehood while consuming Cheese Doodles and Miller Lite. Ah, the American dream…what could be better??

  • Librarian you missed my comment about Greer’s Art “and Practice of Geomancy, The: Divination, Magic, and Earth Wisdom of the Renaissance” published or republished in 2009? I am hurt. I thought you read all my comments :)
    There is more at

  • Terry,thanks. It is interesting to realize how willing we are to accept something as true in a Science Magazine that we would scoff at if our next door neighbor told us.

    If you are born into a religion you also believe the most absurd things about your religion, but then scoff at the absurdity of another person’s different beliefs.

    We are strange creatures us humans. Somehow this religious/magical/trust the authorities thinking helped us cover the planet with humans, but its evolutionary benefit appears to be rather brief in evolutionary times and now has become self destructive. Too bad for us….

  • Today is April 2 so I guess this is not a joke – from Yahoo finance

    Lloyd Blankfein, the CEO of Goldman Sachs Group Inc., saw his 2010 compensation rise to $14.1 million from just over $1 million in 2009, according to an Associated Press analysis of data filed with regulators on Friday

    Wonder what 2011 will bring for him, another 1400% increase or bankruptcy?

    Pass the popcorn and pour me a beer.

  • Thanx for Sattirical approach, may be it can wake up a few,

  • —–Original Message—–
    Sent: Fri, Apr 1, 2011 12:47 pm
    Subject: human population dynamics and human overpopulation

    Sir John Sulston, Chair
    People and the Planet Working Group
    UK Royal Society
    March 31, 2011

    Dear Sir John Sulston:
    Your recent comments regarding the review of research on the human population and its impact on the planet we inhabit by a high level panel of experts give rise to hope for the future of children everywhere. Thanks for all you, the Planet and the People Working Group and the UK Royal Society are doing to protect biodiversity from massive extirpation, the environment from irreversible degradation and the Earth from wanton dissipation of its finite resources by the human species. I am especially appreciative for two quotes from you,

    …… “we’ve got to make sure that population is recognized…. as a multiplier of many others. We’ve got to make sure that population really does peak out when we hope it will.”

    …….”what we want to do is to see the issue of population in the open, dispassionately discussed…. and then we’ll see where it goes.”

    Inasmuch as you and an esteemed group of professionals with appropriate expertise are examining scientific evidence regarding the unbridled increase of absolute global human population numbers, please note there is research that has been summarily dismissed by many too many of our colleagues regarding human population dynamics and human overpopulation which I would like to bring to your attention. For the past ten years I have been unsuccessfully attempting to draw attention to certain evidence that to date remains both unchallenged and ignored by virtually every top-rank professional. They appear unable to refute the evidence and simultaneously unwilling to believe it. Their unexpected conspiracy of silence has served to conceal certain research by David Pimentel and Russell Hopfenberg. How else can it be that so many established professionals with adequate expertise act as if they are willfully blind, hysterically deaf and electively mute in the face of scientific evidence of human population dynamics and human overpopulation? The conscious denial of what could somehow be real about the growth of the human population in our time is not doing anything that can be construed as somehow right and good for future human wellbeing and environmental health, I suppose. It appears as if we could be witnesses to the most colossal failure of intellectual honesty, moral courage and nerve in human history.

    Peer-reviewed professional publications, letters to the editor, slideshow presentations et cetera can be found at the following link,

    Thank you for attending to this request for careful, skillful and rigorous scrutiny of research from two outstanding scientists. Please know I am holding onto a ray of hope that the research of Hopfenberg and Pimentel is fundamentally flawed; that human population dynamics is different from, not essentially similar to, the population dynamics of other species; and that human population numbers are not primarily a function of an available supply of food necessary for human existence. That would be the best news.

    Sometime soon, I trust, many scientists will speak up with regard to apparently unforeseen and unfortunately unwelcome science of human population dynamics and human overpopulation the way people in huge numbers in the Mid-East are calling out for democracy now.

    Respectfully yours,

    Steve Salmony

    Steven Earl Salmony
    AWAREness Campaign on The Human Population,
    Established 2001

  • Well played, Guy. :)

  • 108 $ per barrel and rising.

    This morning I’ve been shaving with my knife. I’m ready.

    But I’m more worried about other stuff: how deep must I dig to grow potatoes? (15-20 cm was the answer). Nobody told me how slow a solar oven is :-(. ETC. ETC.

  • I have got to get goats. I like the tentative names, but I usually like to let the animals name themselves. “Neut” was one of my favorite cats, but he was mean, hence his name.

    Friday Night’s nature (pbs) featured the story of the co-evolution of humans and dogs. I have got to get a border collie and a sheep too. I will never be at a lose for laughter.

  • Jean, you have my undying admiration. Shaving with a knife. I think I’ve quit shaving, permanently.

    Ordered 25 pullets today from McMurray Hatchery for delivery the week after next. If at least half of them survive, I’ll have a real nice little flock, enough to sell off a few, even, once they are grown. I hope my Dominique rooster will mind his manners.

    Kathy, I am concerned about feeding our flock if something happens and we no longer have sure access to our source of laying mash. Do you grow your own feed? Any thoughts you may have in that regard would be appreciated.


  • I also have a week to try and figure out how to tell the wife about the coming addition to our stealth flock…

    (Easier to ask for forgiveness than for permission! :) )

  • Navid, goats can graze on lots of stuff that grows all by itself. Dogs need to be fed. So if you have sheep eat grass that you can then slaughter to feed yourself the dogs make sense. If not then the problem post collapse will be how do I feed the dog (or alternately how do I feed on the dog). Our little rat terrier is as dear a dog as one could want and she does at least put the Fear of Dog into the rats (the squirrels seem to taunt her but occasionally one makes a mistake and becomes dog food). She is 9 and beginning to slow and frankly I hope she dies of natural causes before the crash because I don’t know how we will feed ourselves much less her.

  • Dimitry Orlov has a new article up about money

    A particularly annoying question I am often asked and have come to hate is: “How do I invest my money for it to survive financial, political and commercial collapse?” The short answer is: “Nohow. Money will not survive collapse; not yours, not anyone else’s.”

    He goes on to explain that this is not just fiat money, but all money including silver and gold. Worth the read IMO

    Or another way of saying it

    “Only after the last tree has been cut down…
    the last river has been poisoned…
    the last fish caught,
    only then will you find
    that money cannot be eaten.”

    Cree Indian Prophecy

  • The Real Dr. House,

    Following up:
    The local media here are touting the recovery too. Today’s article stated, “Economists say slow-but-steady progress is a legitimate sign that the job market is improving, and in Spokane some businesses are starting to hire again.

    For proof they point to one business that plans to hire a “handful of people” to add to the 25 they already employ. The business is electronically housing the databases of other companies. The owners claim they owe their success to the recession because it made it too expensive for their clients to house their own databases. The business is not even located in Spokane but rather in a nearby town.

    I can’t tell you how relieved I was to learn all this, especially when in the same article I was reminded of the state’s 9.8 unemployment rate.

    Also today I heard a local financial consultant (NOT “The Cosmist”) opining on his radio show that if we just think of the progress made in the last 100 years and of the acceleration of the rate of technological innovation it is easy to project that by the year 2021 (10 years) there will be a 1000 % improvement over today’s technology. Just think about the advances of the cell phone over the last 10 years, what will it be like in 2021? How could you NOT jump on that bandwagon and invest all your money today. He did not mention the Jetsons but perhaps it slipped his mind.

    This is exactly why I do not have a TV or get the newspaper anymore. I do, however, check the local media via the Internet and my dog and I listen to the radio when we’re driving, consequently I can bring you these tidbits fresh off the wires.

    Michael Irving

  • Christopher, we do not grow our own feed for our chickens. We don’t feed laying mash or pellets, rather a mix of two wild bird seeds with cracked corn and wheat mixed in and a bit of extra sunflower seeds (a favorite with our hens, but the price is almost double from a year ago so we have cut back). They hunt worms and bugs and we give them greens every day (twice a day now because the chickweed in the garden is absolutely lush this year).

    After the crash we will have a chicken stew for the community and maybe keep a few that we can let forage. Gonna be a sad day. All 88 have names and personalities. We have set our first hen of the season – she’s a big hen and we are giving her eggs from some of our banties so she is setting on 15. She looks so content cuddled over her eggs. We have used her as a momma several times and know she will do a good job. Hatching chicks by way of mother hens is one of the prime joys in life IMO.

  • Kathy,

    I do like goats for that reason, and I have a few acres of scrubby meadow that could use some goat-mowing ;). A sheep or two a year might enter the picture at some point. But I think I have to get the border collie soon. Maybe I’ll try training the collie and goat together and see which is smarter. I know what you mean about the pros and cons of keeping other animals as collapse quickens – the poor cats might have to eat the whole mouse instead of cherry picking the heart and liver ; )

    I sincerely hope your loyal, old dog passes peacefully whenever she goes.

  • thanks for the chicken discussion/info.
    christopher…when i make those kinds of decisions i try to keep them kinda rare; but guess what; i was accused of the same; rightfully so this past summer. i had mentioned getting some…. good luck.

    i’ve been wondering what u fed ’em kathy. i’ve been experimenting a bit w/ mixing my own. i’ve read wheat in sizable quantities will kill chickens. i have a good bit. i bet if cooked larger amounts are ok.

    i am concerned my rooster is sterile…or nearly so. small dot of blood in the eggs is the sign of fertile, correct? not seeing hardly any though he does his thing, some at least w/ the hens. i was hoping to let a hen set. kathy,anyone…thanks

  • Kathy, thanks so much for the information. I’d thought about growing my own corn to use as chicken feed, but although I think I have enough space to do so, that space would probably be needed to produce people feed, not chicken feed. Becoming self-sufficient in feeding our chickens is going to require more thought and planning than getting them in the first place, looks like, if it can be done at all.

    Sam: me, too. I have to make such decisions sparingly. Must not abuse the spousal credit line.


  • Guy I think your idea of traveling to other universes may be a little optimistic, and I would have liked to have seen a mention of the reassembly of all matter into the computronium Singularity, but otherwise nice post!

  • Another title might have been

    This time its deferent

  • small dot of blood in the eggs is the sign of fertile, correct?

    Blood is a sign of “erythorpoiesis” “the formation of red blood cells”.
    In vertebrate embryos it would be sign of rather advanced differentiation in the embryonic process. A fertile egg will not show evidence of red blood cells in its early stages.

  • Christopher (and others),

    Paul Wheaton wrote an excellent article on raising chickens, in which he compares different methods such as free-range, coop and run, rotating paddocks, etc. He makes a strong case for rotating paddocks as the healthiest for the chickens, least work for us, and potentially providing most or all of their food via self-foraging. I’m about to transition our backyard free-range area into a rotating paddock system So far the 6-8 hens we’ve kept in the 3000 square foot area have made it impossible to grow a ground layer of vegetation under the trees and shrubs.

    Paul’s article doesn’t go very much into specifics of forage crops to plant. I’ve put together a small list of chicken-tolerant and/or chicken-fodder plants with which we’ve had success.

    First step is to integrate the chickens into your fruit & berry systems so they can clean up fallen fruit, gaining calories and providing pest control. Beyond that, I would focus on planting crops for self-forage as much as possible, though root crops and some seed crops will require you to process them a bit. At the top of my list are comfrey, mulberry, jerusalem artichoke, mashua (perennial nasturtium with edible roots), fennel (seed crop), and Prunus seed kernels (ie cherry, plum, peach, apricot, etc–you’ll need to crack them open for the chickens). There are many perennial plants with edible, but small seeds. Chickens have much more patience to use those small seeds than I do, so I’ve planted good king henry (Chenopodium bonus-henricus), perennial lupine (Lupinus perennis), pea shrub (Caragana sp.), and others for them to harvest the seeds .

    Carol Deppe recently published The Resilient Gardener which lays out some very good strategies for growing staple crops, both for yourself and for chickens or ducks. Though she focuses on soil-disturbing and labor-intensive annual crops, while I mostly work with earth healing and minimum labor perennial crops, I really admire what she’s figured out over the years and how well she explains her systems in her book. She feeds her ducks a lot of cull potatoes and squash.

    We also have sealed bath tubs serving as aquaculture ponds and chicken watering troughs, and the chickens eat tiny water snails from those. And of course they eat lots of worms and other bugs from the yard.

    If you have oak trees nearby, you can feed the acorns to the chickens, though you’ll have to crack them open or sprout them. (And really, everyone serious about food self-sufficiency with access to acorns should learn how to process them into human food.)

    And just for the record, our chickens only get about 50% of their calories from self-foraged food; we bring in a lot of free bread and compost scraps from the co-op grocery store. It’s an easy supply right now, but of course won’t last forever. I don’t yet have a good estimate of how many hens we could keep if we had to feed them just from our little .2 acre lot. But the strategies above will help a lot, and are much easier than trying to grow grains to feed the chickens.

    Hope that helps,

  • “How do I invest my money for it to survive financial, political and commercial collapse?”

    Money is just one set of symbols of the tertiary economy. So are stocks and bonds, collateralized debt obligations, certificates of deposit. etc.

    They have all to be converted to holdings in the secondary and primary economies if any of their purported value is to be retained.

  • ‘They have all to be converted to holdings in the secondary and primary economies if any of their purported value is to be retained.’

    And once you have done that, someone will thank you for the gift and then proceed to separate you from that property…. ;-)

  • Sam, like Robin says the small dot of red will not usually be seen until a hen has set on the egg for a few days. If your rooster is young and doing his thing regularly and with vigor he is probably fertile.
    But ever the one to trust that google has the answers I googled the question and found this which may or may not be right

    We usually just set our eggs under our hen and wait about 1 week. By then a air space will start to form in the egg and the egg will not be clear. With light colored eggs and a strong flashlight you can see this. You are supposed to see veining in the egg earlier but we never want to take the eggs away from the momma long enough to get to a strong light source. Some eggs that are not good will develop an air space but it is misshapen. I pull any eggs that I am sure are not fertile or have a problem because sometimes they go rotten and burst and then infect the rest of the clutch (as egg shells are porous. Here are some pictures that might help

    Are you planning to use hens or an incubator?

    We don’t put that much wheat in our mix. One of our varieties of wild bird seed has some in it so usually we just go with that. They don’t eat it all that well. The bird seed has millet and red milo in it as well. The sunflowers are extra protein and most of the birds eat that first. For the chicks I put the feed mix in the blender and grind it so it has several levels of fineness. We did that exclusively last year and all those chicks are laying hens now. You do need to be sure they have a source of grit if they are fed only seed, but if they are ranging they will find the grit. Some people sprout wheat for the chickens. I am not sure that it is all that advantageous and it is trouble but if you have a lot that might be a good way to use it. google “sprouting wheat for chickens” to get info. Don’t want to exceed my 2 link limit for immediate posting :)

    When our bird house gourds are still fleshy I slice them and they eat the flesh and the large seeds (if I wait too long I have to slice them with an axe!). They eat pumpkin seeds and innards too. In fact the original jungle fowl probably ate seeds that weren’t grass seeds more than grain as jungles aren’t usually great places to grow grain.

    If you don’t have any good books on chickens I recommend Chickens in your Backyard by Rick and Gail Luttman and Chicken Health Handbook by Gail Damerow.

  • Victor if you invest in learning skills they can’t take that from you without taking your life and your skills won’t be useful to “them” without you being alive…. Learning you can be forced to pass on, but actual skills are highly attached to your body. Jean sharpening a knife that he can shave with has a skill that is more than just knowledge, it is practice and attached to his hands as much as his brain.

  • Asparagus is up! YUMMMY

    Rats ate 7 out of 15 eggs in our first setting last night – never had them get that many before. Moved the hen, hope she stays put and new rats don’t find her. Note to self, set rat traps. :(

  • On the subject of money, gold, etc.

    For four or five years now I’ve been plagued by an incredibly persistent financial planner. He was always very professional and polite but omnipresent! I kept telling him that I really don’t have any money – I run a barter clinic – hello! Anyway, no matter what I told him about my lack of interest in any of his “investment” products, a few months would go by and there he would be again trying to “help” me prepare for retirement. So, finally about 4 months ago I told him why I didn’t need his kind of help since the entire industrial economy was going to be collapsing soon anyway. He looked at me with a look that said “where’s the nearest exit!” and that was that. In fact, I ran into him at the grocery store recently and he just smiled and walked on. I’m sure he thinks I’m crazy now, but at least he’s not bugging me anymore.

    I must admit I wonder about people like Chris Martenson. I really like some of what he says, but then he talks about making wise investments and such and I wonder if he really understands the severity of what’s unfolding. Or do I misunderstand what he’s all about?

    Oh well, off to do some gardening on this beautiful Spring day. Have a great Sunday everyone!

  • Kathy,
    “Victor, if you invest …”

    Good answer!

    Michael Irving

  • I’ve come to realize Chris Martenson is a huge fan of civilization, including the industrial economy. His primary interest is lining his own pockets by telling people how to “preserve” their “wealth” (i.e., how to become targets in the near future). I’m thinking of an essay along these lines featuring Martenson and the folks at Zero Hedge (and 99% of the people in the United States) tentatively titled, “Partial understanding on planet Easter Island.”

  • Good essay idea Guy. Go for it. If you want any help in research, I google well, send me an e-mail. :)

  • Full story at
    Infrastructure Cuts Would Make the Unthinkable Unsurvivable
    Friday 1 April 2011
    by: Allison Kilkenny, Truthout

    It’s no secret that the nation’s infrastructure is in dire shape. Last year, the American Society of Civil Engineers gave US infrastructure a “D” rating and specifically bridges a “C,” an average grade that might thrill mediocre students, but in this case means 12 percent of the more than 72,000 bridges in the country are too old or “structurally deficient.” Additionally, according to the Association of State Dam Safety Officials, 4,400 dams are considered susceptible to failure….

    There are 104 nuclear power reactors in the country with permits pending for 20 more (13 states share the same Japanese containment system). Within the hotbed of earthquake activity in California, there are two nuclear power plants. The owner of San Onofre nuclear plant says there’s no cause for concern, but his reasoning sounds eerily familiar. “The science says that we could see about five miles from the plant an earthquake, perhaps equal to a magnitude 6.5, 6.6,” Gil Alexander of Southern California Edison told “CBS News.” “So we designed the plant to exceed the maximum threat. It’s designed to withstand a 7.0.”

  • Norris, some really helpful information there. Much appreciated!

  • Norris, our chickens (and local deer) eat day lillies (all parts human edible but the buds dipped in batter and fried is all I have tried and they are delicious), they eat onions, they eat garlic chives (they get them a lot since they are so easy to grow), and sometimes when I am short of greens I chop up elephant garlic leaves (which may be milder than regular garlic). They don’t eat golden rod, and a few other weeds. Surprisingly wild violets seem to be chicken tolerant – I am in the process of moving some into the chicken yard.

    Warning. Potatoes greens are poisonous to humans and chickens. Chickens that get plenty of greens probably won’t eat them. It is part of the family of plants which includes peppers and tomatoes and the deadly nightshade. The offending substance is Solanine.