Occupying television

Earlier this week I was featured on the Occupy Wall Street show for Press TV. The full program is embedded below, although it includes little new material for regulars here. Also, I’ll be feature on Michael C. Ruppert’s Lifeboat Hour radio show Sunday, 15 April 2012 at 9:00 p.m. Eastern Time.


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  • The extraction industries have been destructive on a scale that we’ve never seen in the last 50 years. Although I agree with the OWS movement we’ve got to inhabit the environment of destruction that has brought us the “Silent Spring” that many of us are waking up to. If humans are the only beings that have rights then we are truly lost!

    Mike sosebee

  • Guy

    You realise of course that you were featured on Press TV, the Iranian network, serving lying Iranian propaganda throughout the Western world. They are allowed only on the Internet here in the UK (and perhaps then not for much longer!), having been removed from standard TV broadcasting because of their lying and distortions truths as imparted by the objective dominant Western media.

    Welcome to the family!…. :-)

  • Probably the most heroic thing an American could do for humanity and the natural world this year is to vote for Mitt Romney for President.

  • And don’t forget that if you have the opportunity in your state, make certain a Republican gets elected to national or state office.

  • It has been surmised, quite intelligently, that an attack on Iran by USrael would rather quickly escalate to a situation where Iran, ultimately faced with the knowledge that prior states under similar attack were driven into the Stone Age and their oil confiscated by Western powers, will at the last resort, close the Strait of Hormuz and send hordes of missiles into Persian Gulf state oil fields, refineries and ports, thus causing an immediate global collapse of the economy and sending markets into chaos.

    Pray for USrael that it makes the right decision, and soon.

  • Victor – maybe US to accept civilian nuke program in Iran’
    President Obama signals Iran that US would endorse nuclear program if Ayatollah Ali Khamenei backs up claim that Islamic Republic won’t purse atom bomb, US paper reports
    Yitzhak Benhorin


    Or maybe one more bid in the game of poker we are playing.

  • Victor,

    RE: Resa, reference please?


    Michael Irving

  • Kathy C,

    From your link:

    “US President Barack Obama has signaled Tehran that the Washington would accept an civilian nuclear program in Iran if Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei can back up his recent claim that his nation “will never pursue nuclear weapons,” the Washington Post reported Friday.”

    How can any of us “prove” we won’t do something? This has nothing to do with anything other than making Obama look good. There’s nothing in that proposal for Iran.

    Michael Irving

  • Michael – yep, I did say maybe but I think you caught me being hopeful. Got to maintain my image as a dyed in the wool cynic. Perhaps instead of maybe I should have said “fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me”
    Or as Bush said it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37150WDTI6c

  • Up here in the land of La Nina I finally have leaves opening on one bush in my yard. Hoot! It snowed a little over night and my garden just cleared of snow (the ground is still frozen) and some of the snow that dumped on us in November is still in the yard. All of that is pretty normal for this time of year.

    So what’s the point you ask? Well, even though the first buttercups are just starting to bloom on south facing hillsides, we are feeling the effects of global warming here too. For the last decade winters have been at least 15°F warmer than the average during the previous 20 years. Even though we still have less than 90 days of frost free gardening, after the first frost in August (it comes like death and taxes) our Indian summers have gone on for more than a month. The USDA has moved us up one zone (warmer) on their hardiness scale, even though in my yard zone 5 plants still can’t make it through the winter. So, I guess I’m just confirming what everyone else in North America already knows. Global warming isn’t something that is coming in the future; it’s here now. And that includes the Pacific Northwest where we just happen to not be experiencing record high temperatures, but we did just experience the wettest March on record.

    Michael Irving

  • Guy, I understand what OWS is about and am glad that they want to hear what you have to say. It is exciting to see people energized for change. In fact perhaps OWS will help bring down industrial civilization a tad earlier than it self destructs on its own.

    My question is, do most OWS demonstrators understand that if they go farther than ousting a few Wall Street honchos and getting a few laws passed, if they in fact bring down or help bring down industrial civilization, do they understand what comes next? Certainly hope for the other creatures on the planet and for our species, but also certainly earlier death and population reduction for the humans now on the planet and far less material goods for those who remain. Have they signed up for that result?

  • Kathy C, I’ve visited with a few Occupiers, and they know the whole story. They know about climate change, the costs and consequences of industrial civilization, and anarchy. I’ve no doubt there are some who are hoping to continue disaster as usual in a way that benefits them, but at least some understand.

  • Guy, on the Oil Drum there were those who thought we should frack for oil and gas because more people would die sooner if we didn’t (Gail T particularly held this view) – I suggested that more people would die total if we went ahead with fracking. Partly that would be because of the worsening climate change (not acknowledged by Gail) and partly because the population would just keep growing while the number that the planet could sustain post oil would be the same or decline. Well the discussion stopped there.

    The situation is such that I am not sure any choice can be deemed moral in the sense that people understand moral. Is it moral to encourage activities that will undermine civilization if some of the people who carry them out don’t understand the full consequences of so doing? On the other hand those consequences are coming anyway whether or not they help so perhaps whether or not they fully understand doesn’t matter. And probably most would want to Occupy and refuse to see the consequences as likely no matter how strongly you said, “oh by the way you may not survive much longer if you succeed”. I cannot figure it out any more and I only address the moral question because you raise the morals issue from time to time. I know you struggle painfully with all this so is it just an additional pain to you for me to ask, or is it better to air it?

  • Until the bite of Climate Chanfe on the pocketbook of Industrial Civilisation is worse than the profits from Business As Usual – Money Talks and everything else walks.

  • That’s “Climate Change”.

  • Kathy C, I appreciate the discussion here, particularly when that discussion includes the topics we studiously avoid in “everyday” life in the Empire. It’s always better, in my opinion, to air everything, especially the so-called thorny subjects.

  • Off topic – saw tonite a sign on a local church “Hippity Hoppity Jesus’ on his way”
    Truth is stranger than fiction.

  • Guy, thank you.

  • Bloody hell….Latest on Fukushima:

    The Greatest Single Threat to Humanity: Fuel Pool Number 4


    A quote:

    The storage pool in the No. 4 reactor building has a total of 1,535 fuel rods, or 460 tons of nuclear fuel, in it. The 7-story building itself has suffered great damage, with the storage pool barely intact on the building’s third and fourth floors. The roof has been blown away. If the storage pool breaks and runs dry, the nuclear fuel inside will overheat and explode, causing a massive amount of radioactive substances to spread over a wide area. Both the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) and French nuclear energy company Areva have warned about this risk.

    A report released in February by the Independent Investigation Commission on the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Accident stated that the storage pool of the plant’s No. 4 reactor has clearly been shown to be “the weakest link” in the parallel, chain-reaction crises of the nuclear disaster. The worse-case scenario drawn up by the government includes not only the collapse of the No. 4 reactor pool, but the disintegration of spent fuel rods from all the plant’s other reactors. If this were to happen, residents in the Tokyo metropolitan area would be forced to evacuate.

  • Fukushima – see this as well (when watching the video, click on “cc” to get the translation):


    Important points made:
    Most discussion of the No. 4 spent fuel pool has focused on an earthquake causing the pool to collapse. This video is different because it reveals:

    1. A crack, rather than the collapse of the pool itself, can be the end of Tokyo
    2. The quake that could put a crack in the pool and be the end of Tokyo does not have to be a large one
    3. The sense of shock when people in Japan are made aware of this information for the first time

  • More good news for those of you who think you are immune from attacks on your privacy.

    Better take out that battery when you are not using your mobile (cell phone)!

  • McGrath: “The Control Grid is Being Put Into Place to Handle What They Know Is Coming.”


    It won’t be much longer, folks.

  • Victor, the video about the Fukushima reactor is quite sobering. They talk about Tokyo being evacuated – that’s about 35,000,000 people in the metro area. Where would they go? How would such a mass of people be moved? The obvious answer is “it a’int happenin'”. This wouldn’t be a week-long evacuation due to a hurricane or other natural disaster, this would be a permanent evacuation. Such a disruption would be the end of Japan as we know it.

    Now multiply that by 400+ and you get the reality that we face with collapse. Yes, I long for an end to the madness we are wreaking on the natural world, but this unless we deal adequately with the permanent storage of spent nuclear fuel very soon, then collapse means the end of pretty much everything.

    No wonder people believe in god – because only a miracle is going to change the outcome. Happy Easter everyone!

    Oh well, enough gloom and doom about things I can’t change. Off to collect the eggs (from the chickens, not the easter bunny) and tend to the garden.

  • Tom, that sort of self harming religious behavior does crop up from time to time (Martin Luther was into whipping himself until he got “saved” from Catholic salvation). But sometimes it is really hard to believe people do this stuff

  • TRDH – until Fukushima I didn’t really have a sense how dire the collapse of industrial civilization will be. One of the methods of decomissioning is SAFESTOR – “Safe Enclosure (or Safestor(e) SAFSTOR): This option postpones the final removal of controls for a longer period, usually in the order of 40 to 60 years. The facility is placed into a safe storage configuration until the eventual dismantling and decontamination activities occur.” So what we really need is 400+ nuclear power plants to be decommissioned 40 years ago and since that wasn’t done to use one of the other two methods of decommissioning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_decommissioning

    And the BP oil spill points out that if the grid goes down all those wells are going to be abandoned – probably without any effort to effectively cap them, and the ones that have been capped – well how long will that hold. Thus as you note “collapse means the end of pretty much everything.”

    I thought I saw the world darkly 10 years ago but recent events paint an even darker picture. OTOH all living things die. This is about timing, how we and other creatures die, and if it is population reduction or extinction. But it is not about “if” anyone or any creature dies, for that is a given.

  • Each day hundreds of thousands of abandoned leaking oil wells and natural-gas wells spew toxic pollutants into the environment—and tens of millions more will soon join them—thanks to fatally flawed gas and oil-well capping and lax or nonexistent industry and government oversight. A three-month EcoHearth.com investigation has revealed this developing environmental calamity that almost no one is paying attention to and that gravely threatens ecosystems worldwide.
    There are at minimum 2.5 million abandoned oil and gas wells—none permanently capped—littering the US, and an estimated 20-30 million globally. There is no known technology for securely sealing these tens of millions of abandoned wells. Many—likely hundreds of thousands—are already hemorrhaging oil, brine and greenhouse gases into the environment. Habitats are being fundamentally altered. Aquifers are being destroyed. Some of these abandoned wells are explosive, capable of building-leveling, toxin-spreading detonations. And thanks to primitive capping technologies, virtually all are leaking now—or will be.


  • A new essay has been posted, courtesy of John Stassek. It’s here.

  • Victor,

    Stereotypically a Jewish person would say, “Where is it written” that they (NSA, FBI, local police) don’t have the right to listen to and record your conversations?

    (Fourth Amendment)
    “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

    So how could the police, who keep telling us they’re the good guys and are sworn to uphold the Constitution, be legally doing this spying? I mean after all, they all wear a flag on their uniforms. And besides, “Most Americans don’t need to worry about getting hauled off to prison for political or religious reasons at this point”.

    Well, maybe the Constitution has been changed?

    To repeal the 4th Amendment they would have to follow the rules described in Article V, as they did when Prohibition (18th Amendment) was repealed (21st Amendment). Did they? Nope!

    So, how is it that they can do this?

    They do it because the can! Even a Constitutional professor is not immune to raw power.

    But what course do we Americans have for redress?

    “Occasionally the tree of Liberty must be watered with the blood of Patriots and Tyrants.”
    ― Thomas Jefferson

    This just pisses me off. Sorry for the Easter rant.

    Michael Irving