by Geoffrey Chia, a cardiologist in Brisbane, Australia

My favourite author, the much loved and much missed American Humanist, dear old departed Kurt Vonnegut, was a masterful practitioner of the poignant and ironic turn of phrase. His essay “Cold Turkey” decried our addiction to fossil fuels and mourned the parlous state of American politics during Bush junior’s time in office. “Only a nutcase would want to be President”, Kurt said. Indeed, only a nutcase would want to be a human being. And here we are, nutcase human beings making a mighty mess of things.

“We are terrible animals and I believe the Earth’s immune system is trying to get rid of us, as well it should.” Kurt’s mind remained so sharp and incisive to the very end, you’d swear he ate razor blades for breakfast.

It is a really, really bad parasite that kills its host, if only because, in so doing, it kills itself. And so, long after we have wrecked the very ecosystem which sustains us and we ourselves have turned into fossil fuel gloop to be used for combustion by the next industrial species, what will be the best thing that could be said about the human race? That we were a really bad parasite?

Kurt said that the 51st state of America was the state of denial. Global warming is all a greenie conspiracy, don’t you know, fabricated independently by thousands of poorly paid scientists all round the world in a diabolical plot. Much better to believe the views of a few oil, coal and gas baron billionaires and their media cronies, who only have our best interests at heart.

So here I am, little old me on my metaphorical soapbox at this ecospeak gathering. Maybe we should call it “ecosqueak”, because our tiny voices will hardly be heard, being drowned out by the deafening cacophony of the corporate media and their internet trolls. Loudest of all the loudmouths by proxy is Chris Mitchell, editor of the Australian newspaper and shameless promoter of global warming denialism, as outlined in Quarterly Essay by Robert Manne in September 2011.

Now we are told that coal mining magnate Gina Rinehart, richest woman in the world and well known bankroller of global warming denialists, has come to the financial rescue of Fairfax, our only remaining commercial counterpoint to the Murdoch press. According to the redoubtable Tony Rabbit, she is a white knight who only wants to save jobs and uphold the journalistic integrity of this nation. A fable worthy of Wonderland, talking caterpillars and magic mushrooms. To this tall tale, let me add my own pathetic and clunky poetic commentary, such as it is:

No one is meaner
Than corpulent Gina
Who won’t hesitate at all to sue
Non-entities like me and you
To tighten Rinehart’s corporate reign.

Saviour of Fairfax
Much better than anthrax
Her good intent let’s not deny
She’ll make us think that pigs may fly!
(In truth, she gets around by plane)

Lewis Carroll described his epic poem The Hunting of the Snark as an “agony in eight fits”. I wrote my own “agony in ten pages” earlier this year, an essay I titled The Brisbane Institute is a Brisbane Prostitute. I described my dismay as to how the supposedly honourable Brisbane Institute had become a paid mouthpiece for the fossil fuel lobby, highlighting the views of Christopher Monckton and Ian Plimer. They also imported a morbidly obese fossil fuel professor named Michael Economides to lecture us on how wonderfully beneficial unrestrained overconsumption was for us and how terrifically great the coal seam gas industry was, with no adverse effects whatsoever. In my essay I of course apologised to any prostitutes who may have been offended by the comparison with that reprehensible Brisbane Institute.

“Don’t publicise your Brisbane Prostitute essay”, I was warned by certain individuals. I would be a damned fool to set myself up as a target for litigation, even if every single thing I wrote was true. Yet here I am again, making a damned fool of myself once more. I guess some people never learn.

So what can I hope to have inscribed on my own gravestone when I myself have turned into fossil fuel gloop to be used for combustion by the next industrial species? Perhaps the best thing that could be said about me is this: “He tried his best not to be a bad parasite.”


This essay was presented verbally on 25 July 2012 at the University of Queensland’s Ecospeak session.

Comments 330

  • OzMan, I suppose it doesn’t matter how long the wind turbines last. But their relatively short life supports the contention of Kenneth Deffeyes and James Howard Kunstler that we’ll be in the post-industrial Stone Age by 2025 because the accouterments of industrial civilization will fail by then.

    Along the academic path of tenure, the traditional steps are Assistant Professor (usually a six-year trial period), Associate Professor (the change in title comes with tenure), and (full) Professor. Each step includes a raise in pay (often modest) and, more importantly in the ivory tower, an increase in prestige. In general, Adjunct Professors are not on the path to tenure: They’re either on year-to-year contracts or they occupy courtesy, unpaid positions.

  • Guy,

    back in the early 1980’s I knew a woman who shared a flat with a PhD student in wind trbine rotor design. Then it was cutting edge. He told me that there was a big market for the buggest turbines,(which presumably we now have) but the so called efficiencies of scale were not well proven with wind. He had looked at a lot of alternative small domestic and say x4 domestic scale designs, and these were more efficient by cost-vs-maintinence-vs-output way better than the biggies.

    The investment, mostly from the Scandinavian and European market was vastly more interested in the bigger designs. His thesis, which I never got to read, because the woman and I, well, didn’t hang out much after a while, included some analysis contrary to the prevailing view.
    I don’t think he was specific enough to know it was going to be so cost ineffective as the article you put up indicates, but it follows a principle I have suspected for some time – in that domestic energy needs can best be procured from the site of occupation, or not at all.
    That would mean a wind turbine and solar and a lot of specific type of generating going on domestically, which may not be feasable.

    Great link, once again, thanx.

  • So the person with whom you will be fighting with for the carcass of that feral dog will be an armed biker, Sikh or Asian.

    I’ll pick Sikh or Asian. Better still, an Asian Sikh..

  • ‘Benjamin The Donkey” Nuclear weapons were not his focus in the last 20 years of his life. Perhaps early in his career. Get your time line straight.

  • Even Dr. Tim Morgan still believes in progress on a finite planet, wants more free energy.

    “Oh what tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.”

    We tried to deceive nature, I think. By the way, nature does provide endless free energy; sunshine. We are about to receive lots more of it…free. Tim will be pleased. Did someone say nature bats last?

  • Having lived in and around intentional and unintentional communities I can tell you that for western folks they don’t work very well. The ones that survive usually have a strong charismatic leader (Koinonia before Clarence Jordan died) or a strong religious heirarchy (Bruederhoff). Until there is cohesion based on need – ie until the crash takes off – the ties that bind are difficult to forge. Hunter-gatherers had kin relationships, growing up in community, strong traditions and customs to make that life work. A warning for those with partners- don’t invite others into community or go into community yourself unless your commitment to each other is strong and stable – seen several marriages break up in community. Make sure that you have enough land and living space to take in close kin. Your kin may not want to be in community now, but when TSHTF they will. If you only have enough for the community, whatcha gonna do when hungry people sit at your door begging, especially if they are brother, sister, son, daughter. Discuss this likely eventuality with any non kin you form community with.

  • Ed “Tom, for tomatoes try Juliet F1.” That would be a hybrid, yes? Good for now but not for seed saving?

  • Nicholas Stern: ‘I got it wrong on climate change – it’s far, far worse’
    Author of 2006 review speaks out on danger to economies as planet absorbs less carbon and is ‘on track’ for 4C rise

  • @ Ozman

    Wow, back to bickering again…

    Not at all. Trying to be helpful. Not surprising if people don’t find what they seek, if they look for the wrong thing, in the wrong way, in the wrong place, for example, going to India looking for ‘enlightenment from gurus’.

  • Intentional community link, fwiw…

    Brian Fey is creating permacultural systems in the forest at the Bosque Village, in the Mexican highlands, a really interesting project that includes an intentional community.

  • scarlet p.: love your work!

    another home-run by collapse:

    The Illusion of Money and the End of Nature
    In order to understand why the world is locked into a blind stampede over a cliff, you have to understand how the world runs, i.e. its socio-economic system. A large percentage of the population doesn’t understand that the world is ruled by multinational corporations or that the citizenry are simply disposable pawns with no voice in their fate.

    (and further down)

    When you have such an immovable supersystem of puppet governments and marauding transnational corporations running the show, radical movements questioning and trying to change the status quo are easily co-opted or crushed, a recent example being the Occupy movement. In a world where extinction of the human species is guaranteed by climate chaos and the myriad of other crises created by industrial capitalism, a slow and incremental regimen of change is not what is needed to stave off collapse. Unfortunately, the entrenched interests of the financial elite and the nation-states they control won’t allow for any sort of abrupt and profound transformation. As Professor Julian Cribb has correctly identified, a culture of money worship and the mass delusion of money’s illusory value is at the heart of the global crisis. The high priests of money are protected at the expense of all else:

    (it concludes)

    Without changing the socio-economic system under which we live, no real solutions for the multiple civilization-ending crises we face can be properly addressed. There is an expiration date for this unending conversion of the natural world into fake symbols of wealth hoarded and squandered by a greedy few…

  • Ha, ha as ususal I woke up on the cynical side of the bed this morning. Whenever I see articles taking one side or the other on energy, climate, or environment, I always look for the funding, even with academic studies. Follow the money!

    Regarding wind turbines, the article had this: “The report, published last week by the Renewable Energy Foundation (REF), a think tank that has campaigned against wind farms”

    wiki: Renewable Energy Foundation says

    “There have been critics of REF’s agenda, in particular Juliet Davenport, chief executive of green energy provider Good Energy, and Dale Vince, founder of Ecotricity, who both accuse the organisation of using a deliberately “misleading” name. Vince says “They are not a Foundation for Renewable Energy, as their name says and as any reasonable person would conclude from their name – they actually exist to undermine Renewable Energy – in that respect their name is a deceit.”

    “Other critics such as Maria McCaffery, chief executive of RenewableUK, a trade body that represents more than 600 wind and marine energy firms, says the Renewable Energy Foundation’s true purpose is diametrically opposed to the interests of the wind energy industry. “It is an anti-wind lobbying organisation,” she told BusinessGreen. “I’d like to know where the renewable energy part of their remit is. They don’t foster or promote or develop, they just try to undermine the case for wind energy all the time.”[6]”

    In an article in the UK Guardian the organization admits they get funding from banks and the “energy sector” meaning fossil fuels – most of which they refuse to name: May 18, 2011 environment blog – “Will the Real Renewable Energy Foundation Please Stand Up”.

    I actually think wind farms are stupid, because more energy just leads to more energy being used. It’s a joke, and doesn’t address the core issue, which is too many people consuming too much stuff making too much pollution. The Forest Ecology Network published a really good anti-industrial wind article:

  • I think that the greatest fault with humans may be their excellent ability to lie. It isn’t some sort of morality or ethics that I am refering to. 2 + 2 is not 5. All politicians are liars; the best politicians are the best liars. Lies is what make religion work. It’s what makes economics work. It’s what makes capitalism work, government, energy policy, agriculture. Where do I stop? But the fact that lies ultimately DON’T work is what we are facing now.

    Once in a while we stumble upon someone who is at least trying to tell the truth. Guy, for example. I think John Mack was trying. I think the makers of the really good crop circles are also trying to tell us the truth: that they can make them better than we can…and that’s the truth. “We see what you did to the earth. Let’s see what you can do with crop circles”. And we obliged, in all our hubris. Oh what fools we are.

    Truth doesn’t need to be defended; it stands on its own. That’s why all the nations of the world never argue about math and science; they are pure, relatively. Too bad most folks prefer the lies. That may be our greatest problem. (and don’t start arguing that nothing can be proved. We need to believe something just to get out of bed in the morning. 2+2 = 4. That means you, ulvfugl)

  • The whole renewable energy push misses many points.
    First they have to produce electricity for vehicles and manufacturing and the heating they are not currently doing. The grid is not up to that even if the renewables were.

    Second, windmills use rare earth magnets – while rare earth minerals are often not rare they are often highly dispersed making nasty mining projects. (google neodymium mine china images)

    Third, to date I have not seen electric 18 wheelers, electric steam rollers, electric combines etc. The idea that we can keep industrial civ going on windmills and solar panels is thankfully ridiculous

    Fourth – if we could scale up windmills and solar panels to cover all our current usage, we don’t know what that would do to the environment. The wind energy and sun energy they capture are not doing nothing. They are part of what is. Capture a significant part and you may well change our climate in other ways – maybe for the good, maybe not. Back when they started mining coal and oil they didn’t know that it was doing something more than taking up space in the ground, it was sequestering carbon from the atmosphere.

  • Think of all the trees that will need to (and are) cut down for maximal solar panel exposure. If this were to happen on a broader scale, we will soon be treeless – as we are headed soon anyhow.

  • @Kathy C

    “Ed “Tom, for tomatoes try Juliet F1.” That would be a hybrid, yes? Good for now but not for seed saving?”

    Why would Ed be saving seeds of ‘Juliet F1’ if he’s cloning exact genetic duplicates of ‘Juliet F1’?

  • Good points Kathy. The bottom line is of course overpopulation – which it has been since Ehrlich brought it up in the 1970’s. Nobody listens – “every one has a right to reproduce!” – it’s so mindbogglingly idiotic that we’ve over-run the place to the point that we’ve produced enough pollutants to kill ourselves off – and now we’re on the way to killing off all the other species “taking up space in OUR environment!.”

    For the record dairymandave, i agree that there are things that can’t be explained when it comes to UFO’s and crop circles among many others (including geologic peculiarities like Gobekli Tepi) and that we’re far from the truth regarding the origins of human life, past civilizations, and many topics chalked up to “unknown” and left at that. The very structure of “education” tends to keep the status quo at all costs (as in ganging up on anyone who disagrees and putting them out of academia unless they renounce their heretical theories) and disallows – through the process of “peer review” and others – any dissent in many fields (especially regarding paleontology).

    By the way, 2 + 2 = 10 (in base 4, ie. 1 group of four and no ones), just so you see that even math can be manipulated (look at statistics if you really want something to howl about – specifically, in many structured medical tests placebos had the same effect as some tested pharmaceuticals and often did better because there were no adverse side effects).

    Gail: atta girl! Of course it’s ludicrous – but where ever BIG MONEY is involved, what can you expect? Lies, deceit, distortion, misinformation, propaganda, corruption and the usual nudge-nudge, wink wink business as usual! Pay off the politicians and the regulators, squash the protestors, and everything’s fine at Goldman Sachs! Next!

  • «But I prefer to be as positive and cheerful as I can be, and unlike m/m and yourself, I rejoice in small miracles and the delights of the day, rather than constantly dwelling upon slitting of wrists, dead babies, faeces, and so forth. Some here seem to revel in the morbid and macabre.»

    Please, in your rejoicing of small miracles and the delights of the day, refrain yourself of talking about me (of whom you know absolutely nothing) on this site. I am sure that at this stage, we all can dispense with it. Please.

  • .
    We’re not going to have sustainable;
    The reason’s completely explainable
    And perfectly clear:
    You can’t get there from here.
    And that’s why it’s unattainable.

  • @ dmd

    We need to believe something just to get out of bed in the morning. 2+2 = 4. That means you, ulvfugl

    Actually, not so. My muscles and bones do that. I don’t need to ‘believe’ anything.

    You truly believe that aliens make crop circles, dmd ? So you prefer your own imaginary nonsense, rather than the real evidence of real humans telling you that they did it, showing you how they do it, with ropes and planks and gps ? Imo that’s barking crazy.

    And I get criticised here for going on about the invisible world of quantum stuff, which everybody sees everyday, when they flick a switch and the lights come on… you know, electrons, photons… stuff that is actually proven and demonstrated to exist….

  • Gail, at the end of the great article you posted on wind mills is this statement It is clear that the right choice for Maine is offshore. This is where the best winds are, where turbines can be placed out of sight, and, in general, where the least amount of environmental damage will occur. Unfortunately even these folks are willing to have the damage be somewhere else so we can keep industrial civ going. The creatures of the offshore areas probably don’t do well with all the noise either eh?

  • U, I know I am going to be sorry for this, but you do have to believe that your floor is solid to get out of bed. That’s because it is made of solid matter.

  • Tom – have you seen this article on placebos
    Placebos Are Getting More Effective. Drugmakers Are Desperate to Know Why

    I love this – color is important but varies from country to country
    “Moreover, a pill’s shape, size, branding, and price all influence its effects on the body. Soothing blue capsules make more effective tranquilizers than angry red ones, except among Italian men, for whom the color blue is associated with their national soccer team—”

  • @ m/m

    Please, in your rejoicing of small miracles and the delights of the day, refrain yourself of talking about me (of whom you know absolutely nothing) on this site. I am sure that at this stage, we all can dispense with it. Please.

    Well, you’ve told us quite a lot about yourself and your circumstances, so more than nothing, but if I’ve offended you, apologies, m/m. Imo, it’s very easy to dig a pit of despondency and depression and fall into it, pulling others down as well. I have learned that it is not the good way to go. I concluded, either end your existence, or make the best of things. I discovered that death of ego, living as if already dead, even if it sounds rather odd, is actually a sublime and wondrous way to be. Living thus is free from care and filled with miracles.

  • And this study
    “Placebo effect works even if patients know they’re getting a sham drug
    Study suggests patients benefit from the placebo effect even when told explicitly that they’re taking an ‘inert substance'”

  • @ Kathy C.

    U, I know I am going to be sorry for this, but you do have to believe that your floor is solid to get out of bed. That’s because it is made of solid matter.

    I don’t have to believe any such thing. A belief, as I understand it, is something I believe in my head, mind, brain, i.e. an idea, a concept, something which can be changed if reviewed.
    I get out of bed just like a bird alights upon a branch, or a cat pounces upon a mouse, it’s all physical, no beliefs involved.

  • Tom; If I buy 2 cows, I have 2 cows. If I buy 2 more cows, I have 4 cows. That’s how I put food on the table. That’s the math I use most of the time but I thought calculus was kind of cool back when.

  • Orgardner – good point, if all the tomatoes Ed plants are from suckers of course he doesn’t need seed duh – missed that. But that sets you up for the same problem I would think as has occurred potatoes – lack of variation in the plant leading to disease problems, which is why many people buy certified seed potatoes instead of keep using their own seed. I was told by one organic company I bought from that I shouldn’t go more than 3 years with saving my own seed potatoes because of the accumulation of disease in the potatoes.

    Also it seems that suckers are harder to insure that you will keep alive than seeds.

    I am always tempted to get hybrid tomatoes because here in the south there are so many more diseases than in the north. But I have had trouble with even hybrids. However some of our problems are moving north. Ed (if this is the same old Ed) and I discussed my problem with squash vine borers, but he understood the problem better when they hit him last year :) Our tomato diseases might move that way as well – even Juliet might succumb.

  • The essential weakness of progressive liberals is not to ignore the importance of force, but a failure to leverage what it means in order to gain a competitive edge. Many seem to bemoan, complain and otherwise be depressed about the facts-of-life, but if one is really interested in survival, then it is critical to be realistic about how this is going to play out.

    First of all, the most important concepts are generally the simplest. In that vein, let us consider ‘bread & circuses’; it is absolutely imperative that the masters keep the slaves from rioting. In this day & age, the electrical grid is how virtual bread (the entire EBT/benefits system) is distributed to recipients, and it is of course how the Web/TV based circus is maintained (FB, NBL, AI, etc).

    With this thought in mind, the very last thing to go will be the grid. Bet on it.

    Secondly, physical food (ie food-like calories) must actually be delivered to consumers, so the very last fuel resources will be shared amongst the military – in order to maintain our control of foreign oil – and keeping the delivery trucks rolling on the Interstates. Bet on it.

    We need water, but it can be polluted to some degree as long as people don’t get too sick. It can’t actually be cut off (ie failure of pumps hooked to the grid), otherwise that would impel the sheep to come out of their hovels. In no case can groups be allowed to form. Sewage is also important, but we have a pretty good track record of despoiling our environment without disrupting the flock too greatly.

    Since no one will be working, gasoline for personal vehicles won’t be that essential. Bike riding will once again become the primary mode of travel.

    So, add it up. You’re gonna want to be in a 1st world enclave whose rulers understand Maslow. They blow it there, they lose the game of conquest & control, and then become targets themselves of the angry hordes. It’s the classic dilemna of what you do when you finally have a tiger by the tail – you can’t let go.

    The most traditional ICs are family, clan & race. You might not completely agree with them, but blood is thicker than water. Stick to your kind in an area known to possess strong sentiments towards independence. View the situation from the rulers’ POV: they can either be beat down or they can be paid off via tribute.

    Hitler went around CH for a reason. Jefferson was wise enough to pay off the pirates of Tripoli. Understand the power game, and find a way to disappear in the crowd.

  • U since you have stated a belief that matter doesn’t exist I wonder that you can get out of bed at all.

  • Ulvfugl, my father, who was a Baptist minister, used to talk about blind faith. (Seems an appropriate topic for this Sunday morning.) He said that each of us exercise faith every time we sit on a chair or walk up a flight of steps. Perhaps his point was valid, perhaps not, but I do know that we don’t stop and think of the physics of the wood and whether the molecular bonds are strong enough to hold our bulk, etc. We just accept it and go on. Now, in this “enlightened” age of understanding, perhaps more people actually think about those things – particularly if they happen to have above average bulk – but in my opinion, that is a belief. A belief established at a very early age that chairs (or floors or whatever) are designed to support us. That belief can be altered if we sit in enough chairs which can’t support us and we crash to the floor. In that case, we begin to question the soundness of each chair, and we may actually alter our belief and avoid all chairs in the future.

  • ulvfugl; there certain things we can believe in. One of them is that you will argue with anyone about anything for any reason.

    I understand that something like half the circles are made by man and we have seen how they do it and we also can clearly see the difference. Well, I can anyway. I have yet to see how the really good ones are made. In spite of all his hubris, there are still some things that man can’t do. Perhaps you could show me or explain it to me.

    Seems that man can’t do anything very well and that seems to be the “message”.

  • Kathy, if you keep telling people about those placebo studies, you’ll hurt my business – so knock it off lady!

    Just kidding :-)

    I’ve shared this example before, but it’s a perfect example of how drug companies manipulate the placebo effect to their advantage.

    The maker of Prilosec was about to lose their patent, so they took the drug (omeprazole) and altered it slightly to make Nexium (esomeprazole). Presto Chango – now they have a new patent. The trick was convincing people that it actually works better. So, they hyped it up – “today’s purple pill”, pushed it to all the doctors, and made it very expensive. Those things combined have made it an overwhelming success and the company has made tons and tons of money. Here’s the kicker: it doesn’t work any better than omeprazole – at least I know of no study which shows that it does. But many of my patients swear by it. Of course, insurance companies know that it doesn’t work any better so none of them will pay for it. But people still buy it “because it works better”.

    The sad reality is that, particularly in this case, the need for the drug could be completely eliminated if people would just eat more responsibly.

  • The Real Dr. House; I take it back. We can do some things really well.

  • @ Kathy C.

    U since you have stated a belief that matter doesn’t exist I wonder that you can get out of bed at all.

    I have stated no such belief. I have stated that science has shown that what appears to be matter is composed of atoms which are composed of sub-atomic particles which are mostly energy, you know, Einstein, E=MC2, atoms are mostly empty space, matter is mostly nothingness. That’s science. Bewildering, isn’t it.

    When the stuff that we are made of collides with other stuff, it seems like solid matter, but everything out there is not as it seems.

  • @ TRDH

    Yes, we assume the sun will rise in the morning. It’s a reasonable assumption, going on past experience. It’s not guaranteed, is it. Can’t be proven beforehand. And I might die in the night ;-)

  • When trees die, people die: “When the U.S. Forest Service looked at mortality rates in counties affected by the emerald ash borer, they found increased mortality rates. Specifically, more people were dying of cardiovascular and lower respiratory tract illness — the first and third most common causes of death in the U.S. As the infestation took over in each of these places, the connection to poor health strengthened.”

  • another day, another chemical:
    BPA Substitute Could Spell Trouble: Experiments Show Bisphenol S Also Disrupts Hormone Activity
    A few years ago, manufacturers of water bottles, food containers, and baby products had a big problem. A key ingredient of the plastics they used to make their merchandise, an organic compound called bisphenol A, had been linked by scientists to diabetes, asthma and cancer and altered prostate and neurological development. The FDA and state legislatures were considering action to restrict BPA’s use, and the public was pressuring retailers to remove BPA-containing items from their shelves.

    The industry responded by creating “BPA-free” products, which were made from plastic containing a compound called bisphenol S. In addition to having similar names, BPA and BPS share a similar structure and versatility: BPS is now known to be used in everything from currency to thermal receipt paper, and widespread human exposure to BPS was confirmed in a 2012 analysis of urine samples taken in the U.S., Japan, China and five other Asian countries.

    According to a study by University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston researchers, though, BPS also resembles BPA in a more problematic way. Like BPA, the study found, BPS disrupts cellular responses to the hormone estrogen, changing patterns of cell growth and death and hormone release. Also like BPA, it does so at extremely low levels of exposure.

    “Our studies show that BPS is active at femtomolar to picomolar concentrations just like endogenous hormones — that’s in the range of parts per trillion to quadrillion,” said UTMB professor Cheryl Watson, senior author of a paper on the study now online in the advance publications section of Environmental Health Perspectives. “Those are levels likely to be produced by BPS leaching from containers into their contents.”

  • @ dmd

    …you will argue with anyone about anything for any reason.

    No, I argue with you sometimes, iver some topics, when I think you talk nonsense.

    I understand that something like half the circles are made by man and we have seen how they do it and we also can clearly see the difference. Well, I can anyway. I have yet to see how the really good ones are made.

    They are made by smart undergraduates from universities who spend a lot of time planning how to lay out Mandelbrot’s whatsit’s and working out the precise co-ordinates on graph paper, and then they choose a good field with suitable access where they won’t get caught, and a moonlit night with cloud cover, and spend an hour doing it. It’s not that hard. There’s youtube videos showing how it’s done.

    In spite of all his hubris, there are still some things that man can’t do. Perhaps you could show me or explain it to me.

    There were natural crop circles, which were much more interesting than the manmade ones, that were inexplicable, made either by some freak wind event, like a dust devil, or some weird geomagnetic force, but they were fairly simple, mostly just circular, and they were long ago lost and forgotten once the ‘creative artists’ moved in, which is a shame, really.

    Seems that man can’t do anything very well and that seems to be the “message”.

    The message I get is that if there’s money to be made, then why not make it ? You know, it ‘works’. Is it ethical ? Possibly not, because it’s based on fakery, like a lot of showmanship. But then, it’s relatively harmless, it makes people happy. I put it in the same category as telling peoples fortunes by reading their palms. Half serious, half fun. Don’t know what the farmers think, about people trampling their crops.

  • @ dmd

    If I buy 2 cows, I have 2 cows. If I buy 2 more cows, I have 4 cows. That’s how I put food on the table. That’s the math I use most of the time

    Well, no wonder you’re in such a sorry state, ffs, why don’t you buy a bull, then you’d get some more sensible mathematics… ;-)

  • Kathy, when i was fortunate enough to teach stat for 5 years i spent a lot of time on the placebo effect and have done a lot of reading on it. Thanks for the articles you linked to – they seem to illustrate the whole “mind over matter” principle.

    In New Scientist a few years back they quoted a doctor who had a patient who was convinced that someone had put a spell on them and they were severely physically effected. The doctor decided the only cure was to use voodoo to correct it – so he arranged a session with a “high priest” (one of his assistants) and they basically tricked the guy, producing a large lizard from his stomach in a sham cure-ceremony. The guy was better within hours.

    In another issue they delved into one of their own staff writers visiting a leading expert on the placebo effect. The writer was wired up to electrodes and, after determining his pain level from mild to severe (like touching an electric fence), he was seated in a chair and placed in front of a computer monitor that flashed red and green lights – indicating how severe a jolt of electricity he’d feel. After about a hundred of these random shocks the last three were green and he barely felt them. The researcher said that the last three were the most severe but that he had been conditioned not to feel them.

    On another front (i know this is off topic, but it’s very interesting to me) – when my pitbull mix tore his hind ACL he couldn’t even put his back foot down. i took him to the vet who said she could either recommend him for a $3000 operation and then he’d be immobilized for a week or two after that and need extensive physical therapy too. i couldn’t afford that, so i asked her what else we could do. She said accupuncture. What? On a dog? How are you gonna convince him that it’ll work? She said, i can’t explain how it works, i just know it does. We did treatments for about 4 months, starting with 3 times a week then twice-weekly, and finally once a week over that period of time, after which he was significantly better, about 85% and we followed that up with swim therapy – which he completely loves. He was back to 100% after 6 months and can run, jump and play like he was a youngster. i always thought accupuncture was related to the placebo effect, but now i see it’s just another strange way to get the body to function as we wish.

  • @ dmd

    If only half the crop circles are made by humans, and the other half are made by, erm, some unknown alien entities…well, maybe you’re talking trans-dimensional hybrids ?and according to this, they’re not that nice, super-intelligent, yes, but always very deceptive, they tell you what you want to hear… see what I mean ? If you want it to be them that made the crop circles, then that’s what they’ll be telling you…. sounds pretty tricky to me…

  • Kathy C, you’re right – it’s almost impossible to find a study or report about catastrophe that doesn’t end with unjustified optimism!

    Guy, I demolished that study to the best of my ability (it makes me so mad!), twice, and I wrote to one of the authors who insisted the reason people aren’t as healthy when the trees are gone is “emotional stress”, not more pollution. grrrrrrrrrr here’s what I wrote second with a link to the first. To my mind, it is very important, conclusive evidence of just how much ozone the trees are soaking up – this was from my post:

    The Atlantic has picked up on the study I mentioned earlier indicating that people become less healthy when trees in their neighborhoods are lost. Naturally I left a comment:

    “…they are unable to satisfactorily explain why this might be so.” That is because the Forest Service – which is entangled with timber and other extractive mining industries linked to fossil fuel interests – doesn’t want to admit what they well know: the pollution from cars and power plants is toxic. How many times have you heard – plant a tree, they clean the air? Well, they do! That’s why people are healthier when the trees are absorbing tropospheric ozone.

    The other thing this study ignores is the rather obvious question – what happens to trees when they so obligingly absorb poisonous gases? Answer: THEY die, instead of us! Studies have proven that trees are dying all over the world, and it’s because they are damaged from pollution, which makes them more vulnerable to other pathogens – insects, diseasae and fungus. The grid went down for so long after Sandy because hundreds of thousands of trees fell, and it was easy to see that they were rotted on the inside. Trees should live for centuries, some for thousands of years. They’re not supposed to be rotted when they are 50 or 150 years old. More on this “flawed” (coughs politely) study here: (

  • Hey, the US Chamber of Commerce says fracking is our future!

    “All is not lost, peasants. Tom Donohue has the answer to our economic woes. All we need to do, according to the God of Commerce, is open federal lands and frack the hell out of them. Really. Here is his claim, verbatim:

    Fracking, for example, has created 1.75 million jobs in less than two years. There’s billions and billions of dollars going to the states and the federal coffers. We have more energy than anybody in the world and, if we, in an environmentally friendly way, acquire it, go on the federal lands, do it in the right way, we’ll get that extra piece of cash and bring manufacturing and jobs back to the United States or create them in the United States because of our energy.

    In laymen’s English, Donohue’s constituents — the Kochs, the Hunts, and other Texas oil barons — see the answer to our economic woes as being pretty simple. Sell federal lands to them, let them frack the heck out of it (in an environmentally friendly way, of course — cough), and there will be more jobs than the eye can see!”

    Doomed i tell ya – we’re completely, utterly gone – why, we guarantee it!

  • dairymandave:

    I’ve seen that “man” video before. It reminds of this verse from the Hebrew/Christian Bible:

    Genesis 1:28: “God said to them, ‘Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth‘” (NRSV)

    I’d say we’ve fulfilled that commission rather well. Sigh.

  • @Kathy C

    Kathy C writes: Orgardner – good point, if all the tomatoes Ed plants are from suckers of course he doesn’t need seed duh – missed that. But that sets you up for the same problem I would think as has occurred potatoes – lack of variation in the plant leading to disease problems, which is why many people buy certified seed potatoes instead of keep using their own seed. I was told by one organic company I bought from that I shouldn’t go more than 3 years with saving my own seed potatoes because of the accumulation of disease in the potatoes.

    I certainly cannot speak for Ed but if I found a tomato plant that exhibited excellent disease resistance, plant vigor, hardiness, flavor of the fruit and other desirable characteristics then I would vegetatively propagate the plant and give it a try for the following planting season by keeping it going over the winter. If I found the plant to exhibit undesirable characteristics then I would not clone it. For what would be the use of that?

    While potatoes and tomatoes are in the same family (Solanaceae) you are comparing a tuber to a fruit. One grows below ground, one grows above. Crop rotation is an important part of organic gardening practices and a three year rotation cycle is recommended for members of the Solanaceae family. Additionally a seed potato is not a seed it’s a tuber and is propagated by division of the tuber. The same principles apply. If your potato crop is experiencing problems then why would you save the seed potato for the following year? Planting an infected seed potato is going to yield an infected seed potato.

    Also it seems that suckers are harder to insure that you will keep alive than seeds.

    I think this depends on how adept one is at cloning. Seeds can be mishandled, stored improperly etc. Cloning annual plants is not difficult especially if you are trying to preserve disease resistance and desirable characteristics. If one can grow houseplants in the winter then it is certainly feasible to keep rooted cuttings growing until planting time within the home or greenhouse environment. If I may paraphrase Forrest Gump… seed saving is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you’re going to get… unless you really know what you’re doing.

    I am always tempted to get hybrid tomatoes because here in the south there are so many more diseases than in the north. But I have had trouble with even hybrids. However some of our problems are moving north. Ed (if this is the same old Ed) and I discussed my problem with squash vine borers, but he understood the problem better when they hit him last year :) Our tomato diseases might move that way as well – even Juliet might succumb.

    I grow hybrids but I also use heirloom cultivars and varieties and yes they do cross pollinate. The ‘Roma’ tomato cultivar seems to grow just about everywhere with satisfactory results and has pretty good disease resistance. I think climate change is definitely moving plant viruses and diseases northward because let’s face it, things just ain’t like they used to be.

  • Ogardener, of course I know a seed potato is not a seed. That was part of my point, not expressed very well. When you clone you lose the benefit of crossing plants to create seeds with mixed genes. Of course with potatoes you pretty much have to do that, but not so with tomatoes. Although this person is doing potatoes from true seeds – which seems like a useful project – or would be if it weren’t that we are going extinct soon :)

    Of course you would save suckers or potatoes from your best plants. When I used to grow potatoes I did that – bad knees have made me quit potatoes. But what if one year they all got infected. What if they were infected late in the season and the damage was not obvious. Seeds seems a safer way to go. When I save seeds I save from the best, but I also make sure I save from several of the best plants.

    I have gardened for 40 years in Western NY, California, Georgia, North Carolina, TN, and now AL. California and Alabama were the biggest adjustments from my home state, NY. I buy mostly from Southern Exposure Seed Exchange as they carry varieties better suited to the south, all non hybrid I think and mostly organic.

  • Hey Depressive Lucidity:

    Please feel free to send me an email at

    I am happy to share with you the many years of information that I have accumulated. I have been researching this topic since 1975.

    I have a theory that pretty well ties everything together with a few exceptions (i.e. cattle/animal/human mutilations). The mutilation issue is what first garnered my interest. I grew up on a farm and one of our neighbors lost 8 cows in a single night for reasons nobody could explain. This happened in Winter with snow yet there were no tracks. The cows were drained of blood. Their rectums cored out. The lips, one eye, one ear, and utters removed with exacting precison. The other strange thing was that their backs were broken (the only way this could happen is if they were dropped from a great height). Cows are tough animals and are not easy to take down. Also, no predator would approach the animals. The government has tried blaming this on satanist cults, but not a single person has ever been arrested in the US or worldwide.

  • Now that I have had a chance to read some of the posts I have a message for those persons so damn sure of their reality: If you disagree, than fine but stop casting aspersions. The ones who attribute UFOs to fairy tales have never spent more than 2 minutes of serious research.

    So go ahead and mourn over the corpse ad infinitum, but please do not irritate with your musings the rest of us who are interested in expanding our realm of knowledge.

    I never liked a know-it-all. I still do not.

  • Hi Dairymandave:

    Boy, we have really upset the thought police on this blog. Keep up the great work. Unfortunately, I do not know much about crop circles, although while some are hoaxes others are of such intricate design and complexity that it would be impossible to hoax. Further, cameras have been set-up to look for hoaxers and while the cameras make sure no people are involved the circles appear. There is something going on. Keep investigating.

  • @ Kathy C

    “Although this person is doing potatoes from true seeds – which seems like a useful project – or would be if it weren’t that we are going extinct soon :)”

    Aye Lass, that’s the ticket!

  • Frank; We are made from air, water, and a little dirt. But to get energy, we need to eat other beings made from air, water and dirt. What if we had evolved so that we just eat dirt, breathe air, drink water, and do our own photosynthesis on top of our heads? Black would be the best color for our bodies, maybe green. Point is, we wouldn’t need to be so agressive if we didn’t need to eat each other. What if plants evolved to walk? Just thinking out of the box since this run didn’t work out so well. What could have been. What could be.

  • @ Frank

    Boy, we have really upset the thought police on this blog. Keep up the great work. Unfortunately, I do not know much about crop circles, although while some are hoaxes others are of such intricate design and complexity that it would be impossible to hoax.

    Hahaha, are you talking about me ? You’ve obviously missed the threads where I get told off for talking about siddhis and quantum reality. The ‘intricate design’ argument won’t fly. Just needs smart people and more work. People shown how it’s done. But if you need aliens to have done it, fine, I care not one bit.

    @ dmd

    We are made from air, water, and a little dirt.

    Which are mostly nothingness.

  • ulvfugl; spinning nothingness. Now try to figure where that didn’t come from.

  • A Must Read:

    I’ve followed Numerian’s writing for years. Comprehensive, nuanced, informed, and prescient.

    BTW, my prediction of which swan will shit in the pool, among the many he lists, is the bird called climate change caused food shortage.

  • @ dmd

    Now try to figure where that didn’t come from.

    Well, you’ve got me there, because I do not know, it’s unfathomable mystery, to which I have no answer, but neither does anyone else.

  • BCNP: great link and i agree about food shortages probably causing the next financial catastrophe which then causes all of civilization to break down in chaos. People are already coming unglued in a lot of middle eastern countries and Africa can always surprise, but once it hits here – everyone will know the game is up. Silent Spring here we come.

  • I concur on the food issue hitting the fan, and believe it will really hit this coming fall. Not only the drought, but so much weird weather which has nature all out of balance. I have citrus, avocados, blue berries, and all sorts of other fruit blooming in the middle of January when in times past, this happens around April. My tomatoes which normally die in the winter, are being eaten by pests (BTW, Sun Gold are the best cherry toms!). It’s got to be that global cooling!

  • Bailey, we are having the same sort of weirdness – not quite as bad tho – our sorrel is making flower heads already – That is WAY early. Saw a yellow cabbage butterfly the other day. Starting my seedlings NOW for an early spring.

  • Yeah Kathy, I haven’t been able to grow my usual greens and lettuces this winter, because they have all bolted, blooming out and becoming prematurely pungent. I even had watermelon from the summer that lived through the winter and harvested one the other day! It’s scary to think what this summer is going to be like – yet the latest science reports seem to be downplaying the whole warming issue lately.

  • Frank

    After some thought a few years ago it occurred to me that the cow biopsies, and broken backs may likely be a way of TPTB getting high grade analysis, covert of course, on the contamination of say any one of several thousand potentially deadly chemicals, and/or radiation in tissue samples from those special parts.

    Seems obvious it would all be precision cutting and heli drop, so no one found out who it was. If the cattle just did not turn up, then the police could keep digging and find evidence.

    As it is, you are looking for a rectum thief!!!

    Thats a far harder investigation than cattle rustling.
    Just a thought.

  • Global Hyperwarming: Sea levels rise even faster due to water’s thermal expansion:

    Copyright here means we get info six months later than we otherwise would (not that that would change anything in this case, but “just sayin'”).

  • A full rant on the starving in Ethiopia, and social justice where food is concerned.

    ‘A plague of David Attenborough’

    A few quotes:

    “Last week, British broadcaster and naturalist David Attenborough devoted over a third of a widely reported interview to his claim that human beings are “a plague on the earth.”

    “It’s not just climate change; it’s sheer space, places to grow food for this enormous horde. Either we limit our population growth or the natural world will do it for us, and the natural world is doing it for us right now.”

    Attenborough cited Ethiopia as his only example of the natural world fighting back against the human plague.

    “We keep putting on programmes about famine in Ethiopia; that’s what’s happening. Too many people there. They can’t support themselves – and it’s not an inhuman thing to say. It’s the case.”

    In Attenborough’s view, Ethiopians are starving simply because there are too many of them. Since they haven’t voluntarily reduced their numbers, the natural world is doing so, by the “natural” method of mass starvation…..

    Ethiopia actually produces much more food per person today than it did when the population was much smaller. According to Oxfam, the country is now is “just 2% from being able to supply an adequate level of food energy to all its citizens.”

    Despite that, at least thirty million Ethiopians go to bed hungry every night. (Crikey Jebus, that is more than the population of Australia by 6 million odd- OzMan added)

    The problem isn’t human numbers or food production, it’s an economic and political system that enriches foreign investors and a tiny urban elite, while nearly 80% of the people earn less than $1 a day. There’s lots of food, but they can’t afford to buy it.

    Cruel irony: the hungriest people in Ethiopia are farmers. In the past five years, hundreds of thousands have been driven off their land with no compensation, while the government has leased millions of hectares to foreign corporations that raise export crops.

    But in Attenborough’s populationist worldview, there are no land grabbers stealing land from subsistence farmers. There is no history of colonial exploitation, slavery, and war, no extreme inequality reinforced by neoliberal policies. There are no international speculators driving up food prices, no agribusiness giants exporting food to richer countries while millions starve. There are just people, and people are a plague.

    Yes, there is a plague on the earth, but it isn’t people. It’s a social and economic system that puts profit before people, that treats food as a commodity instead of as a basic human right. So long as that system remains in place, hunger and poverty will continue, no matter what happens to birth rates….”

    Crikey bloody Jebus.

    As of 2011, Ethiopias population was 84,734,000, or thereabouts. 80% of that is, about 67,787,200 people, living on less than $1 per day.

    Crikey friggin Jebus, what the fuck is wrong with this picture ?????

    Question: if most in the Anex-1 countries get at least 3 significant meals per day, (and many can get vastly more calories than needed), would ‘we all’ give up one of those meals every day from now on if we were absolutely certain those starving people, (in all like situations as in Ethiopia) would get adequite food?


    I would, in a heartbeat.

    OTOH, if some predictions here and elsewhere come to pass soon, ‘we all’ may be giving up that meal per day, or even two, anyway.

  • Frank & ulvfugl

    It’s ironic that those who want to limit the discussion on this site to suicide, meat puppetry and composting dismiss any phenomenon which does not fit within the coordinates of the consensus, materialist reality game. They rightfully criticize those who ignore the seriousness of climate change, who ignore the methane bomb, and so forth, yet they dismiss the mountain of research that has been devoted to the UFO issue by serious, intelligent people … if it’s all just hoaxes and superstition then explain how such chimera are tracked and confirmed by radar, photographed, filmed, witnessed in some instances by thousands of people, chased by military jets, observed by competent pilots, astronauts, and the list can go on and on.

    As Dr. John Mack said in one of his lectures, we are surrounded by the reality police who want to keep us in this narrow post-enlightenment, capitalist, materialist box believing that we are cut off from anything that transcends our puny bones:

    I have suggested the idea of the “politics of ontology,” which has to do with how a society organizes itself, particularly through a certain elite group, to determine for the rest of that society what is real. The politics of ontology is a kind of governance of ideas. In this culture, there may be a very small group of scientific, governmental, religious, and corporate elite that determine the prevailing boundaries of reality. The forces that surround the determination of reality is an area of politics that we have not really thought about that much. We think about the politics of economics, of the governing of communities and the creation of a social order, but not much about how we are governed with respect to what we are supposed to think is real.

    If we are nearing the end of the human journey, then why is it so offensive to some that others want to discuss reality in broader terms than what the thought regulators deem acceptable?

  • Now the suits are beginning to waver, quiver, & quake… But hey,
    what an exciting opportunity for growth!

    Nicholas Stern: ‘I got it wrong on climate change – it’s far, far worse’

    Author of 2006 review speaks out on danger to economies as planet absorbs less carbon and is ‘on track’ for 4C rise

    The Stern review, published in 2006, pointed to a 75% chance that global temperatures would rise by between two and three degrees above the long-term average; he now believes we are “on track for something like four “. Had he known the way the situation would evolve, he says, “I think I would have been a bit more blunt. I would have been much more strong about the risks of a four- or five-degree rise.”

    He said some countries, including China, had now started to grasp the seriousness of the risks, but governments should now act forcefully to shift their economies towards less energy-intensive, more environmentally sustainable technologies.

    “This is potentially so dangerous that we have to act strongly. Do we want to play Russian roulette with two bullets or one? These risks for many people are existential.”

    Stern said he backed the UK’s Climate Change Act, which commits the government to ambitious carbon reduction targets. But he called for increased investment in greening the economy, saying: “It’s a very exciting growth story.”


  • Bailey, I wonder if sorrel would work for you – it never gets bitter, stays the same flavor all year. Eaten alone it has a strong lemony flavor, but in salad or sandwich it is not overpowering. – they say use it sparingly in salad = but we use it as the whole salad! We don’t grow lettuce at all any more. For a bit of bite in our salads we grow creasy greens (upland cress).

    Watermelon now – wow. Well we keep trying to garden until we can’t but it gets harder to figure out when to plant and what to plant.

  • dl: we aren’t bound by those people or rules here at NBL (at least i haven’t heard Guy express this) and can bring up and discuss whatever comes up ON OUR WAY OUT. The trouble with those topics is that we hit the wall of limited knowledge, past which is mere speculation, whereas with the usual topics (mostly evidence of how quickly and in what directions the collapse is occuring) it’s easily pointed to in scientific studies and current events (though, as pointed out above, it gets to us a bit late) that we establish as temporary fact. i enjoy discussions about UFO lore and current sightings, crop circles (has anyone seen the movie?), mysterious archeological finds, advanced science and math, and weird occurances such as ghosts, the hum, near death experiences, psy-ops, time warps and others not neatly catagorized into one of our pre-selected pigeon-holes of knowledge.

    So please don’t hold back despite what anyone else expresses – those of us who have something to contribute will and anyone interested can at least read and learn (even if to personally dismiss) the information.

    Lidia: sea-level rise is one of those “it won’t effect us in our lifetime” sorts of things (that will end up surprising a lot of people). i’m noticing the glacial pace of reconstruction after (Katrina and) Sandy, not to mention the entire towns that were flattened by tornadoes, burned out by fire or inundated by flooding over the past few years. Insurance companies are beginning to “welsh” on their contracts (“it was an act of God”) and the fed is broke as everyone knows (accept for the military/homeland security, the TBTF banks and Wall St. of course) so we’ll be hearing a lot of empty promises in the coming year when it starts all over again.

    Fun times, eh?

  • Kathy, Bailey (and all): Your anecdotes are what worry me about the erratic weather bringing about the Silent Spring scenario i’m dreading. With vegetation sprouting early and then possibly getting frozen in the many weeks we still have until spring, should this happen to trees (already under enough stress) it will do significant damage and they may not regenerate if it happens often or severely enough. As Gail pointed out, the increase of damaging ozone down here where we live in the troposphere isn’t helping matters, and combined with persistant drought in the (former) breadbasket states will wreak havoc on our nations food production ability. If/when this extends to California (and Florida) – we’ll have reached the point of no return.

  • @ depressive lucidity

    Yes, important and interesting, the politics of ontology.

    As I see it, there is no ‘reality’, all there is, for the individual, are a huge range of experiences, of various kinds and qualities, extended over a lifetime, which other people categorise and interpret and classify, according to the prevailing dominant paradigm and cultural norms. To break out of the mainstream consensus is heretical, dangerous, the path of the shaman and the madman. Lots of casualties and disasters.
    I’ve met plenty.

  • Re the politics of ontology, long film, MKUltra, LSD, the Hippie Movement

  • i’m sure we’ll be seeing more of this as things “progress” into the next few years:

  • Why are these occurring?

    UFO-Related Homicide in Brazil

    By G. Cope Schellhorn

    If this case is authentically UFO-related – and at this time I have no reason to believe it is not – then all of us are going to have to reevaluate to one degree or another our tentative conclusions as to the possible specific intentions, moral perspectives and general agenda that some of our extraterrestrial visitors may have.

    There have been rumors of homicidal, UFO-related, human mutilation cases for some time now but hard evidence has been lacking. Until, perhaps, now. Brazilian ufologist Encarnacion Zapata Garcia and Dr. Rubens Goes have recently presented a series of sensational photographs, obtained from police files which mimic the wounds of countless UFO-related animal mutilation cases that have been reported in Europe and North, Central and South America since the 1960s. On first glance they would seem to be ufology’s worst nightmare.

    What is more disturbing is that Brazilian ufologists and police have intimated that there may be at least a dozen or more cases similar to the recently uncovered Guarapiranga reservoir case. If this is true, it is somewhat doubtful that any of this potential new material will ever see the light of day, given the official attitudes now prevailing in Western power circles. But we can be grateful for fortuitous disclosures, and the Guarapiranga case and it’s accompanying photographs seem to be just that. A great stroke of luck, albeit a dismaying one. Obviously if the Guarapiranga data is legitimate, then it becomes increasingly difficult to maintain the position that all visitors are demonstrating a relatively friendly attitude toward humans, regardless of what their specific agenda(s) may be. The Guarapiranga situation indicates that there is at least one group of alien visitors to the planet who have a complete disdain for human sensibilities, who, in fact, could care less about the value of human life.

    When I learned of the Guarapiranga case through Brazilian ufologist A.J. Gevaerd, who first published the related photos in his magazine UFO, my interest was stimulated and I quickly made plans for a trip to Brazil. In Sao Paulo I met Encarnacion Garcia at the home of well known ufologist Claudeir Covo and talked with her later at length. Then I traveled to Campo Grande and questioned Gevaerd. He was kind enough to supply me with second generation photographs (the best available) of the Guarapiranga reservoir victim having himself become thoroughly convinced that the evidence supporting the case was authentic and that the case was UFO-related. I came to the same conclusion because all other alternatives were neither supported by facts nor good logic, whereas the similarities to numerous cattle mutilations which I had studied in the United States were startling, exactly paralleling what I have seen many times before.

    The specifics of the case are as follows:

    Encarnacion Garcia learned from her friend, Dr. Rubens Goes, that he was in possession of some rather “odd” photos which had been given to him by his cousin, police technician, Rubens Sergio. These were official photos of a body that had been found near Guarapiranga reservoir on the 29th of September, 1988, of an unnamed male who was, however, later identified. The name of this man has been withheld from all media investigators, including UFO investigators, at the request of his relatives.

    After studying the photos, Encarnacion Garcia was impressed with how similar the wounds of the body were to those found on the carcasses of so many UFO-related mutilated animals, knowledge which the original investigating police officials and medical doctors involved with the case did not possess. Surprisingly, Dr. Cuenca, head of the primary investigation, offered his files on the case. This is the stroke of luck which I previously mentioned and for which we can all be thankful. These included the all-. important autopsy description to which I will momentarily refer.

    The initial police report, however, was not extraordinary in nature except for the recognition that the body, although extremely mutilated, had not met with unusual violence; that is, there were no signs of struggle or the application of bondage of any kind.

    It was the autopsy report itself which was most revealing, especially when we compare the remarks made there with what we have learned from animal mutilation cases elsewhere. It is imperative to remember, as I have stated previously, that the individuals conducting the autopsy had no knowledge of similar animal mutilation cases. This makes the official remarks of the report all the more revealing in retrospect.

    Encarnacion Garcia received copies of seven photos. I have included the five most revealing ones here with a description and commentary. The work of the perpetrators of this atrocity: the kinds of cuts made, the precision of the cuts, the removal of whole internal organs through small apertures, the lack of bleeding, the failure of the body to smell or decompose rapidly – all these are hallmarks of UFO-related animal mutilations. These peculiarities would seem to rule out Satanists, revenge- seekers or casual mutilators and go beyond even the capacities of a modern Jack the Ripper.

    Photo #I: Face and upper torso photo. The body was in perfect condition. Rigor mortis had not set in and it was estimated that the victim had been killed approximately 48 to 72 hours previously. There were no signs of animal predation or putrefaction which might be expected. Strangely, there was no odor to the cadaver. Bleeding from the wounds had been minimal. The black coloration found in the face area and in other places within the photo is partly due to low light exposure when this photo and others were taken. It is also partly due to coagulated blood in the wound areas.

    As can clearly be seen, flesh and lips have been excised around the mandibles, as is common in cattle and other animal mutilations, the autopsy report noted that “the eyes and ears were also removed and the mouth cavity was emptied.” Removal of these body parts, including the tongue as here, is common enough in animal mutilation cases.

    As Encarnacion Garcia rightly recognized, if a comparison of the victim with animal mutilation cases is made, “You can see they are the same – and that is also the conclusion of experienced doctors.” The doctors drew their conclusion only after they had been shown photographs of similar animal mutilation cases, cases with which they were not previously familiar.

    The autopsy report states: “There has been a removal of extensive tissue along many parts of the face, head and neck of the victim… There has also been extraction of ocular tissue, eyes, auditive internal and external organs (ears) and entire parts of the head. The tongue and several muscles were also extracted.”

    The kinds of cuts on the cadaver are what we have come to expect in UFO-related animal mutilation cases. Of primary interest is their precision. The “surgery” (or butchery, if you will) was done with agility and care and probably with speed. The lack of profuse bleeding suggests the use of a laser-like instrument producing acute heat, thus cauterizing almost immediately the edge of the wounds. This is a speculation on my part, however, although there are numerous precedents. Many of the cases studied by Dr. John Altshuler in the United States exhibit this kind of high heat, rapid surgery. Whether it would still be possible to test fragments of the flesh from the victim’s wound areas is doubtful. Suffice it to say the wounds appear to be exact replicas of cases studied by Dr. Altshuler, Tom Adams, Bob Pratt, Ted Oliphant, Linda Howe, Colman VonKeviczky and myself.

    Photo #2: (Above) Face and upper torso with arms outstretched. Perhaps it is best to begin here with several quotes from the autopsy report. “The axillary regions on both sides showed soft spots where organs had been removed. Incisions were made on the face, internal thorax, abdomen, legs, arms, and chest.” As Garcia observed, the doctors stated that these wounds were quite uncommon. The report also observes, “Shoulders and arms have perforations of 1 to 1.5 inches in diameter where tissue and muscles were extracted. The edges of the perforations were uniform and so was their size. The chest had shrunk due to the removal of internal organs.”

    In other words, internal organs were removed or sucked somehow through these small circular incisions. Why such a technique? Some doctors today are using a similar method to remove diseased tissue and organs from their human subjects – but this kind of procedure injures those organs in the process. Did the “surgeons” who worked on this victim care whether the organs were injured or not? What kind of specimens were they looking for? What kind of research is this? Wouldn’t it be easier and more medically expedient to abduct a human specimen and study it live, including its anatomy and physiology, in a properly equipped laboratory? It would appear that the perpetrators of this act did not care if the man’s life was lost nor did they care if the body were found. Here we have strong indication of a total disregard for the specimen and, by extension, for human life in general. The body was left as trash. What does this say about the perpetrators and their attitudes?

    The photo clearly shows the symmetrical holes in the man’s arms. One arm clearly shows the sunken area near the perforation clearly, demonstrating where muscle has been extracted. The shrunken chest area also indicates a similar process of internal extractions. It is significant that the police and medical examiners were convinced the holes found in the head, arms, stomach, anus and legs were not produced by bullet wounds.

    Photo #3: Close up of the left side of the victim’s head. Here we see that the ear is cleanly excised. As the report states, “auditive internal and external” matter was removed The photo does not show the small holes discovered in the cranium. These were detected, however, by the medical examiners. How much, if any, of the brain tissue was removed is not stated.

    Photo #4: Close up of lower torso including thighs. The stretcher, pants and cord that are visible belonged to the rescue team. The autopsy report continues, “You also find the removal of the belly button leaving a 1.5 inch hole in the abdomen and a depressed abdominal cavity showing the removal of the intestines.” Brazilian doctors who later viewed the evidence were left nonplused by the hole in the umbilical area where, it appeared, “a great amount of internal organs were extracted. The edge of the hole was perfect and shows a precision cut. Also, the abdominal area of the body was very shrunken because of organ removal.” The original autopsy report notes that “the scrotum was also removed by a 3 x 1.5 cm. elliptical incision.” Strangely, the penis itself was left intact although it appeared to have been stretched to about twice its normal length. Why excise the scrotum without taking the penis? Human logic is defied by such actions. We are aware, however, of the great similarity here with other animal mutilation cases, particularly female cattle where it is not unusual to see anus, teats, vagina and uterus extracted. But why exactly this is done is as big a mystery as who the exact perpetrators are, although there is enough strong circumstantial evidence to implicate UFO involvement.

    The hole in the left leg duplicates in size the umbilical hole and the arm hole previously discussed. In the words of the autopsy report, “It was an… elliptical incision of about 3 x 1. 5 cm…The penis was stretched and had no signs of being cut. The testicles were extracted with a precision cut.” Rather startling is the lack of pubic hair, as if the victim had been readied for surgery.

    Early on in the investigation, Brazilian official investigators considered the possibility that the castration of the victim was an act of revenge. They soon rejected this theory, however, because it could not account for the remaining wounds and the other peculiarities related to the body. What is more, revenge seekers who castrate usually excise the penis, not just the scrotum.

    Photo #5: Victim lying on his stomach. The autopsy report specifies: -“Removal of the anus and a hole between the second and third toes…The anal orifice of the victim was extracted with a large incision about 3 by 6 inches in diameter. The rectum and other internal parts of the human discharge system were also removed. It is probable that even some of the internal organs of the man could have been removed through this incision.”

    What is most compelling about the anal incision and the extraction of anal and digestive tract tissue is that it is a carbon copy of the surgery we have seen in so many UFO-related animal mutilation cases. Are we supposed to believe a revengeful human or a group of Satanists are capable of such precise, difficult, surgical techniques/procedures which leave even medical professionals perplexed as to how they could have been done? I think not. Has the Brazilian and/or American government staged a little demonstration at the Guarapiranga reservoir to frighten UFO investigators and the general public into fearing all extraterrestrial contact? In other words, are we faced with a gruesome, carefully orchestrated display of misinformation? Possibly, but probably not, and my reasons for believing this are several.

    First, it would seem a fortuitous turn of events that ufologist Encarnacion Zapata Garcia had the right friend(s) in the right places at the right time. If our government, and presumably the Brazilian government, has kept a lid on similarly sensational material in the past – and I have no doubt there is more than ample evidence supporting such a contention – here we have an accidental bubble that has, against all odds, escaped the pot. It is our good fortune, you might say.

    The photos are definitely causing a stir; causing many people, including some UFO investigators, to do some new thinking. But the powers that control lids will be carefully double-checking in the near future to make sure the pot is as secure as possible. Thus I would not get my hopes up that additional homicidal, UFO-related human mutilation cases and graphic photographs accompanying them will surface in the near future.

    If we discard the possibility of the Guarapiranga case as a piece of misinformation, we are left with several intriguing alternatives. Is this the infrequent act of a rogue extraterrestrial group which from time to time enjoys indulging themselves in a pathological blood sport at the expense of humans? Perhaps. More likely, I think, we are indirect witnesses to an intentionally contemptuous act by a group or species of extraterrestrial origin who would like to give other visiting species a bad name and, as a bonus, harness mankind into a greater fear-mentality than already binds it. But these are only speculations and we will have to wait until a future time for a greater truth when more thorough revelations, and evidence that supports them, become available.

    Do we have any precedents to the Guarapiranga case? Yes, we do. At least one good example and the rumors of possibly another. The case of Sgt. Jonathan P Louette, who was stationed at White Sands Missile Test Range in 1956 and whose mutilated body was found on the Range three days after an Air Force major had witnessed his abduction by a “disk shaped” object, bares a striking resemblance to the Guarapiranga situation. Louette’s genitals had been removed, his rectum cored out with surgical precision and his eyes excised in a manner quite similar to the incisions made upon our Guarapiranga victim. And then there is the rumor of the Texas mutilation case which occurred – and was quickly hushed up – in the mid ’60s. I have had verification ofthe legitimacy of this by two intelligence agency personnel, one active and one retired, but have not had time to investigate further.

    At present, the rumors of human body parts found on at least one crashed UFO in the 1940s, body parts found in a barn in the state of Oregon several years ago or the rumor of a mutilated Vietnam War B-52 crew will have to remain just that – rumors, until the lid accidentally, albeit infrequently, comes ajar again and we have some solid evidence. But there is no denying that the Guarapiranga reservoir case has taken us far beyond rumor. The evidence is unmistakable and it is sobering. On the one hand, it points stunningly in a UFO-related direction. On the other hand, I believe it would be wise of us to draw a tentative conclusion if other less violent cases have not already led us to do so. We should not, in most cases, generalize about our extraterrestrial visitors; neither about their motives , morals nor research agendas. And one addendum also seems advisable: In an age when almost anything has come to seem possible, if not probable, either cosmically or here on earth, the wisest course might be to let our extraterrestrial visitors demonstrate their friendliness before jumping to conclusions about their philanthropy and opening the door too wide. After all, Little Red Riding Hood, nine times out of ten, is no match for the wolf at the door.

    We have seen in the past, especially in Brazil, many cases where Human beings have been attacked by UFOs and their occupants. This is an undeniable reality that many researchers do not want to face. The Fenomeno Chupa-Chupa or “Suck-Suck” phenomenon which occurred in the Amazon and northeastern part of the country in the ’70s and ’80s produced hundreds of injured people and ultimately some fatalities. These mostly impoverished people were usually attacked by small probes (3-6 inches in diameter), probably unmanned, little UFOs which emitted strong, burning beams of light. Many of the victims suffered not only burns but a significant loss of blood (thus the “suck-suck” appellation) during their encounters. Some, such as Luiz Fernandes Barroso, suffered appreciable mental as well as physical incapacitation. Barroso’s mind was reduced to that of a two-year-old long before his death.

    In North America, reports of brutal manhandling by UFO occupants are much rarer. If homicidal, UFO-related human mutilations have taken place they have either gone unrecognized for what they really are or have been adeptly covered up by official intervention. Whatever the truth may be, the Guarapiranga reservoir case and the startling photos which accompany it should give us pause for thought. I, like ufologist editor A.J. Gevaerd, came to the conclusion after reviewing the evidence that UFO-related mutilators were most probably the perpetrators of the abominations revealed by the photographs of the Guarapiranga reservoir victim. And I believe Gevaerd is probably right when he says most extraterrestrial visitors seem neutral in their attitudes towards Earth and earth humans, some are friendly and some could care less. We had better learn, I think, to discern the differences. It might in the long run save our world culture and our very lives.


    The Human Mutilation Factor

    by Don Ecker
    In the last forty years of UFO research, one of the most baffling questions that have plagued researchers has been “Is the UFO Phenomenon dangerous to humanity?” Over the years, there have been numerous cases where the phenomenon has figured into human deaths, but as a rule, most cases have been officially ruled accidental. When speaking of cases where death has resulted, usually most assume cases where military pilots have died as a result of “chasing” the phenomenon. One of the most famous of these military chases that is discussed when ever the subject of death and UFOs is raised, is the famous “Mantell Case”. This case is so well known that I will not discuss it here, but there are many others. In one of the less well known cases, during the mid 1950’s, a military jet interceptor was observed on radar being “absorbed” into a UFO over the Great Lakes. No trace of pilot or aircraft was ever found. In another case reported in the excellent work “Clear Intent” was the case of the “Cuban MIG Incident”. In this case a Cuban MIG was locking on his weapons radar when the aircraft exploded in mid*air. The wing man was certain that the UFO had fired some type of weapon, but other than the jet exploding, no other smoke, flame or other obvious weapon firing was observed.

    The matter of either overt or covert hostility on the part of UFOs has always been treated warily by serious researchers. On the one hand, if the enigma is hostile, then several questions must be faced. What if anything should the powers in authority tell the public? Is the government capable of handling a threat of this type? Is the public ready to face an issue as potentially terrifying as a “possible threat from somewhere else?” Other than incidents involving military involvement, have there been cases where civilians have been injured or killed during some type of UFO encounter? Is it possible that the reported cases of UFOs and their occupants abducting unwilling humans for some type of medical or genetic experimentation could be true? Now, if any of this is factual, then what ramifications do the Human Race face in light of the above?

    According to Mr. Phil Imbrogno, during the research that led to the writing of “NIGHT SIEGE The Hudson Valley UFO Sightings” by Dr. J. Allen Hynek, Philip Imbrogno, and Bob Pratt, Imbrogno has stated that on several occasions, Hynek specified that he wanted no mention of the dozens of human abductions that they had already uncovered at that time, to be mentioned in the book. Hynek was afraid of the adverse publicity if word of this aspect leaked out to the public. After Hyneks death, Imbrogno stated publicly on Compuserve and other public forums, facts of abductions, animal mutilations, and EVEN several cases of mysterious deaths of humans, that he indicated COULD possibly be linked to the UFO Phenomenon.

    While researching several stories for UFO Magazine, I interviewed a number of prominent UFOlogists, over the last several months, and in each case, the question of human deaths, in connection with animal mutilations, invariably was raised. Most readers of this text will be familiar with Mr. John Keel, who many regard as the last of the Great UFOlogists. From the earliest days of modern UFOlogy, Keel has been a force to reckon with. The author of numerous books that address various aspects of UFOlogy, and magazine articles too numerous to mention, Keel has a unique slant on the subject that most will never experience. According to Keel, the phenomenon has always had an unexplained hostility towards humans, that have led to untold numbers of deaths. While Keel will be the first to explain that he rejects the ET hypothesis, he does not doubt the phenomenon a bit. In what many UFOlogists consider as one of Keels best works “The Mothman Prophecies”, E. P. Dutton & Co., Inc. 1975, Keel related report after report of animal mutilations involving cattle, dogs, horses and sheep, and also related what were called “vampire killings” of four humans in Yugoslavia, where the victims were “mutilated and drained of blood”.

    After having spoken to John Ford, the Chairman of the Long Island UFO Network, for a news story for UFO Magazine, I became even more convinced that the aspect of potential UFO hostility should be investigated. Ford relayed a numbing number of animal mutilations, human disappearances, human abductions, covert Federal involvement in areas that suffered high numbers of animal mutilations, and even armed military helicopters that chased UFOs over civilian communities. Ford, who is an officer of the Federal Court system, did investigations into the disappearances of mostly young adults over a year period, in areas of high UFO overflights, and after having several personal friends who were police officers of the local municipalities look into the situation, came to the conclusion that the facts were being suppressed. The reason given was that there was “no need to panic the public.” Although no iron clad proof can be made for direct UFO intervention, the circumstances are extremely suspect.

    After growing up in an age where the entire human race can be decimated by nuclear, biological and chemical weapons, the human race somehow manages to keep slogging on. I have seen more people “panicked” over a shortage of gasoline than imminent nuclear holocaust, yet somehow when the subject of UFOs crop up, the government doesn’t want to panic anyone. It really makes me wonder what they know, that I should. I really don’t think that they are going to talk to anyone soon, as you shall soon see.

    In January, 1989, it came to the attention of the MUFON State Director of Idaho, Mr. Don Mason, that cattle mutilations had occurred once again in the southeastern section of Idaho. After an investigation by a MUFON investigator, the facts were as follows. The animals ( two cattle, same night, but each owned by different ranchers ) were “somehow” killed, sexual organs removed, body fluids drained, patches of hide “surgically” removed. All the appearances of what is today considered to be a classic case of animal mutilation. As of this date ( February 15, 1989 ) the final lab reports are not back yet, but already the Sheriffs Department has labeled it a “cult killing.” No tracks, tire or human, around the animals even though it had just rained, no unusual activity reported by the ranchers that evening, and one animal was found next to an occupied house. One of the ranchers admitted that this was the second time he had been “hit” by the mysterious mutilators. The last incident had only been a bit over a year previously, and they were worried enough that all had their “deer rifle” within easy reach.

    After having been personally involved in an investigation of cattle mutilations as a police officer back in 1982, I was very familiar with the “cult” theory of perpetrators. The Idaho Department of Law Enforcement drags it out every time there is a new rash of mutilations. The problem is, and every one is aware of it, that no one has yet been brought to trial, or arrested yet for these crimes. Out here in the west, people know that you are flirting with a ranchers bullet if you are caught fooling around with the ranchers cattle. They are his livelihood, and he will defend it. Yet, the mutilations keep occurring, and no one is any the wiser, or are they?

    With the subject of animal mutilations fresh in everyones mind, I was once again speaking to Don Mason, when he informed me that the investigator that had been assigned to the above mentioned case had come across a very mysterious death of a man back in 1979. According to the report, two hunters in the Bliss and Jerome area of Idaho had literally stumbled across the nude body of a man that had been hideously mutilated. The body was in the literal middle of nowhere, nude except for a pair of underpants, his sexual organs had been removed, his lips sliced off, and several other classic mutilation cuts. Although he was in very rugged country, his bare feet were not marked as if he had walked in that terrain, but yet no other tracks, animal or human were evident anywhere. After the police were notified, an intensive search was mounted, and miles away, the mans possessions were recovered, yet no one yet knows how the body ended up where it was found, or even more importantly, what happened to him. It should be noted that this area also had over the years, many unexplained UFO reports and cattle mutilations.

    Now I must explain that I had very mixed feelings about whether I wished to attempt to explore this subject any further, or allow sleeping dogs to lie. On the one hand, I wanted more than anything to discover just what was occurring, and on the other, I realized that this had the potential to backfire on someone that disturbed the status quo. I was familiar with reports of human abductions and mutilations that had surfaced in the last several years in reports such as the Lear documents, Grudge 13 reports and others, but yet I was not sure what I believed, or even if there was anything to believe. I ran across a friend that was still employed with a police department in this area who was a detective. I had mentioned to him the recent cattle mutilations, and what I suspected in the above mentioned case of a human that had been mutilated. Scot had also been involved in the last several years with several cases of mutilations that he had been called upon to investigate, always with negative results. He was as curious about this phenomenon as I was, and since he was still an active duty police officer, he had access to the department computer, to access the NCIC system that is maintained in Washington D. C. by the FBI{ext. link} . After giving Scot the criteria for a search of unexplained human deaths, that involved factors of mutilation, I asked that the search go back to at least 1973, involving this area of the Northwest. Scot ( not his real name ) ran the request through the department computer. As he mentioned at the time, he had expected to get realms of reports back that we would have to wade through, to get to the reports that would be are further study. Scot ended up requesting that the inquiry be run back to 1970, and involve not only Idaho, but also Utah, Nevada, Oregon, and Washington states. Because of the magnitude of this search, Scot stated that it would take about one week to get the results back into his department. As a side note, for anyone that is not familiar with the NCIC system, it is a national data bank for Law enforcement agencies all across the United States. It is maintained and controlled by the Federal Burea of Investigation, at FBI headquarters, in Washington D. C.

    On the 14th of February, Scott contacted me in person, and appeared very troubled. His exact words were that “something is really screwy, Don.” “I got the request back from NCIC on Monday, and there has gotta be something wrong. They told me that they had NO unsolved murders at all, zero, that met that criteria. THAT ANY FURTHER REQUESTS WILL HAVE TO BE MADE BY VOICE, TELEPHONE CALL, WITH PROPER AUTHORIZATION. Somebody is sitting on something, big as Hell.” I also knew that something was as screwy as hell. After all, anybody that has had any dealing with law enforcement knows about the “Green River Killer” in Washington state. This serial killer is credited with at least 30 to 40 murders of young women, and to this date, the case is as big a mystery as ever. Many of the killings showed some types of mutilation, and if nothing else, at least some of these homicides should have shown up.

    Once more, as a side note, I had been warned by a prominent UFOlogist, that there was a lid “screwed down tighter than you would believe in regards to human mutes.” I also was warned that in order to break through the secrecy, was going to be a long and sometimes weary job, but that if enough persistence was applied, then it was possible to get to the bottom of this facet of the UFO enigma. Do I think that this can be solved, along with the rest of the puzzle? Yes, I do, because I think that the secrecy can only be maintained for so long, and then no longer. I also believe very strongly that only if the entire UFO community works in concert will this be accomplished, and the infighting and arguments MUST CEASE for the good of us all.

    On the ParaNet system and on Compuserve, I wrote and uploaded a file entitled LIGHT.TXT, and in UFO Magazine Vol. 3, No. 5 I called for a UFO summit to be held in order to get the UFO community organized and to present a unified front. Only by a unified front, and calling for Congressional hearings, will this lid ever get torn off, and the truth that is suppressed be brought to the light of day. Any help from the members will be greatly appreciated, and I can be reached at ParaNet RHO at the following number: 1-208-338-9187 in the USA.

    Also I can be reached on Compuserve by EMail, and my user number is: 74270,3360. Anyone with ANY INFORMATION is requested to contact me at the above addresses as soon as possible. The secrecy game has gone on long enough. It is past time to get to the bottom of this. Forty years IS LONG ENOUGH.

    Don Ecker The Secrecy Game

    by: Tim Swartz

    Copyright ©1997 Tim Swartz
    Are UFOs responsible for mysterious human mutilations?

    Researchers of the UFO phenomenon have openly speculated over the years that if UFOs do represent extraterrestrial visitors, why do they operate in such secrecy? Alleged UFO contactees say that the aliens are friendly and are here to help mankind. However, evidence that extraterrestrials have a sinister, hidden agenda when dealing with Earth’s inhabitants tells a different story. The most obvious example of nefarious UFO activity has to be the mutilation of cattle. The evidence is mostly anecdotal that UFOs are involved with cattle mutilations, but the unusual circumstances surrounding this mystery seem to point to UFOs, or at least UFO-like activity.
    Over the years, strange attacks on animals and humans have been recorded and attributed to predators, other humans and even vampires. What makes these incidents similar is the general lack of blood found on the bodies. Primitive man believed that blood was sacred, the source of life in all creatures. When you lost your blood, you lost your life. So it made sense that the life force must be contained in blood. The Old Testament is a good example of ancient beliefs regarding blood. Leviticus 17:14 states, that “the life of every living creature is its blood.” The verse goes on to say that it is forbidden for anyone to eat blood because it is the source of all life.
    Because of these early beliefs, man has always had a superstitious horror when dealing with unusual attacks that involve the loss of blood. Throughout history, there have been numerous reports of strange attacks and mutilations that seem to go beyond normal animal predators. In 1874 near Cavan, Ireland, for several months something killed as many as thirty sheep a night, biting their throats and draining the blood. In 1905 at Great Badminton, Avon, sheep were again the target for attacks. A police sergeant in Gloucestershire was quoted in the London Daily Mail, “I have seen two of the carcasses myself and can say definitely that it is impossible for it to be the work of a dog. Dogs are not vampires, and do not suck the blood of a sheep, and leave the flesh almost untouched.” In a single night in March of 1906, near the town of Guildford, Great Britain, fifty-one sheep were killed when their blood was drained from bite wounds to the throats. Local residents formed posses to hunt down whatever was killing their livestock, but nothing was ever caught, and the killings remain a mystery. Events of this kind have probably occurred regularly throughout history. The cases that have received media attention, are those involving a large number of deaths, but there are probably hundreds of smaller attacks that have gone unnoticed over the years.
    These strange livestock attacks are eerily similar to the recent attacks by the so-called Chupacabra, which means “goat sucker.” Confining itself chiefly to the southern hemisphere, the Chupacabra has been blamed for numerous attacks on small animals. The animals have had their throats bitten and their blood sucked out by the creature that reportedly stands on two legs, has large black or red eyes and is about four feet tall. Unlike past killings, the Chupacabra has been seen by shocked eyewitnesses whose descriptions seem to describe an animal that superficially resembles the “Grays” of flying saucer lore. As in past cases, attempts to track down the Chupacabra has met with failure. If history is any indication, the Chupacabra will never be caught, and the strange events will remain a mystery. It is as if the mystery mutilators appear out of thin air, do their damage, and then, just as quickly, disappear again.
    The mutilation of cattle seems to involve a different set of circumstances then past vampire-like attacks on livestock. While cattle mutilations almost always involve the complete draining of blood, physical mutilation of the flesh is so apparent that seasoned ranchers are shocked by the unusual nature of the deaths. No one really knows when the first unusual cattle mutilations began. Records show that in the middle of 1963, a series of livestock attacks occurred in Haskell County, Texas. In a typical case, an Angus bull was found with its throat slashed and a saucer-sized wound in its stomach. The attacks were attributed to a wild beast of some sort, a “vanishing varmint.” As the attacks continued through the Haskell County area, the unknown attacker assumed mythic proportions and a new name was created, “The Haskell Rascal.” Whatever was responsible for the mutilations was never caught, and the attacks slowly stopped. Throughout the following decade though, there would be similar reports of attacks on livestock. The most prominent of these infrequent reports was the mutilation death of a horse named Lady, in 1967. Area residents of southern Colorado reported UFO activity the night before Lady was found dead, and the consensus was that the unknown craft were somehow responsible.
    In 1973 the modern cattle mutilation wave can be said to have begun in earnest. It is interesting to note that a huge UFO flap was occurring across the country in 1973, with many sightings taking place in the same areas that cattle mutilations were happening. In November of 1974, rumors began to connect the sighting of UFOs with mutilated cows that were being found in large numbers in various Minnesota counties. Dozens of UFOs were reported in Minnesota and dozens of cattle were found dead and mutilated. Although the sightings and mutilations were never correlated, many felt that the number of sightings was added proof that the UFOs were somehow involved.
    In 1975, an unprecedented onslaught of strange deaths spread across the western two-thirds of the United States. Mutilation reports peaked in that year, accompanied by accounts of UFOs and unidentified helicopters. By 1979, numerous livestock mutilations were also being reported in Canada, primarily in Alberta and Saskatchewan. In 1980, there was an increase in activity in the United States. Mutilations have been reported less frequently since that year, though this may be due in part to an increased reluctance to report mutilations on the part of ranchers and farmers. In the 1990’s the mutilations have continued. In the United States, over ten thousand animals have reportedly died under unusual circumstances.
    Because of the strange nature of the killings, wild stories and rumors have surfaced over the years in an attempt to explain what is really going on. Chief among these are stories that aliens are harvesting cattle at night for their evil purposes. The extraterrestrials’ preoccupation with cattle is apparently due to the fact that the ET’s absorb nutrients through the skin. The blood that they acquire from the cattle is mixed with hydrogen peroxide, which kills the foreign bacteria in the mixture, and is “painted” on their skin, allowing absorption of the required nutrients. Supposedly human blood is preferred by the aliens, but cattle blood can be altered to serve the same purpose.
    While it may seem far-fetched that animal blood could be used in place of human blood, recent scientific discoveries seem to confirm that animal blood can be altered for human transfusions. According to The Observer, a respected weekly paper in Great Britain. The scientists who helped engineer the first cloned sheep are reportedly close to generating human blood plasma from animals. PPL Therapeutics, the Scottish firm that helped Edinburgh’s Roslin Institute clone a sheep, is developing the means to replace the plasma genes of sheep and cows with the human equivalent. PPL told the paper it plans to raise herds of the animals and manufacture plasma from the proteins extracted from the animals. The Observer quoted Dr. Ron James, the firm’s managing director, as saying. ” Only 5 percent of Britain’s population regularly gives blood. Genetically modified animals could produce 10,000 times more plasma a year than a human donor.”
    In 1991 DNX Corp., a Princeton-based biotechnology firm, announced that it had developed genetically engineered, transgenic pigs that produce large quantities of recombinant human hemoglobin. When commercialized, DNX’s blood substitute could provide a cost-effective, virtually unlimited alternative to the human blood supply that is entirely free from the threat of contamination by infectious agents that cause diseases such as AIDS and hepatitis. In addition, DNX’s recombinant hemoglobin-based transfusion product will be universally compatible with all blood types, eliminating the need for blood typing and cross matching, and will have improved shelf-life and storage characteristics. DNX’s announcement was made to the 1991 World Congress on Cell and Tissue Culture in Anaheim, Calif., by John Logan, vice president of research at DNX. Perhaps the wild stories are not so far-fetched after all.
    If the stories are true, some would ask why aren’t the aliens catching and mutilating humans instead of animals? The truth could be that human mutilations and deaths are occurring on a regular basis, but that the stories are too horrible to contemplate. If murderous, UFO-related human mutilations have taken place, they have either gone unrecognized for what they really are, or have been adeptly covered up by official intervention. Thousands of people worldwide disappear every year, never to be seen again. A majority of these disappearances can be attributed to homicides or other more comman situations.
    However, some disappearances are so unusual and unexplained that more disturbing scenarios must be examined. In 1956 at the White Sands Missile Test Range, an Air Force major reported that he had witnessed a disk shaped flying object kidnap Sgt. Jonathan P. Louette. Louette was missing for three days when his mutilated body was found in the dessert near the test range. Louette’s genitals had been removed and his rectum cored out with surgical precision. Like many cattle mutilations, Louette’s eyes had been removed and all of his blood was missing. The Air Force filed a report stating that Sgt. Louette had died of exposure after being lost in the dessert.
    The late Leonard H. Stringfield, a former Air Force intelligence officer wrote in his self-published book, UFO Crash/Retrievals, Status Report No. 6, about the testimony given by a “high ranking Army officer” whom Stringfield says he has known for several years and who is allegedly a “straight shooter.” The officer claimed that while he was in Cambodia during the Vietnam war, his Special Operations group was involved in a fire fight with aliens, whom the soldiers came across sorting human body parts and sealing them into large bins. Subsequently the unit was held for several days and interrogated under hypnosis. The officer claimed that he and his men were given cover memories which only began to surface years later. The implications here are staggering. If this story is true, then the possibility exists that military and government officials are aware of the aliens interests in the physiological makeup of the human body.
    In 1989, the mysterious death of a man a decade earlier came to the attention of the MUFON State Director of Idaho, Don Mason. According to the report, in 1979, two hunters in the Bliss and Jerome area of Idaho stumbled across the almost nude body of a man that had been hideously mutilated. The body’s sexual organs had been removed, it’s lips were sliced off, and the blood had been drained. Although the body was found in very rugged country, it’s bare feet were not marked, and no other tracks, animal or human were evident. After the police were notified, an intensive search was mounted and the man’s possessions were recovered miles from where the body was found. No one knows how the body ended up where it was found, or even more importantly, what happened to him. It should be noted that this area over the years, has had many unexplained UFO reports and cattle mutilations.
    In Westchester county New York, in 1988, several morgues were broken into late at night. Fresh human bodies had undergone mutilations involving partial removal of the face and total removal of the eyes, stomach, thyroid gland and genitals. An assistant medical examiner who had broken the silence concerning the case, stated that checks were immediately run on the employees who were on duty at the morgues. No links connecting morgue employees with the crimes were found. While there is no evidence that UFOs were responsible for the bizarre incidents, once again we see human bodies being mutilated in the same ways that cattle and other animals are being mutilated.
    Another interesting case that has received little publicity in the United States is the Brazilian Guarapiranga reservoir case. Brazilian ufologist Encarnacion Zapata Garcia and Dr. Rubens Goes uncovered a series of sensational photographs obtained from police files. The photos are of a dead man whose injuries are similar to the wounds of countless UFO-related animal mutilation cases. The body had been found near Guarapiranga reservoir on September 29, 1988. The name of the man has been withheld from the media and UFO investigators at the request of his relatives. After studying the photos, Encarnacion Garcia was impressed with how similar the wounds of the body were to those found on the carcasses of so many mutilated animals. The initial police report noted that the body, although extremely mutilated, showed no signs of struggle or the application of bondage of any kind.
    The body appeared to be in good condition. Rigor mortis had not set in and it was estimated that the victim had been killed approximately 48 to 72 hours previously. There were no signs of animal predation or decay which might be expected. Strangely, there was no odor to the body. Bleeding from the wounds had been minimal. In fact, it was noted that there was a general lack of blood found in the body or on the ground around the body. Police photos show that the flesh and lips had been removed from around the mouth, as is common in cattle and other animal mutilations. An autopsy report stated that “the eyes and ears were also removed and the mouth cavity was emptied.” Removal of these body parts, including the tongue as here, is common enough in animal mutilation cases.
    The “surgery” appeared to have been done by someone familiar with surgical procedures. The lack of profuse bleeding suggested the use of a laser-like instrument producing heat, thus immediately cauterizing the edge of the wounds. The autopsy report states that, “The axillary regions on both sides showed soft spots where organs had been removed. Incisions were made on the face, internal thorax, abdomen, legs, arms, and chest. Shoulders and arms have perforations of 1 to 1.5 inches in diameter where tissue and muscles were extracted. The edges of the perforations were uniform and so was their size. The chest had shrunk due to the removal of internal organs.” The autopsy report continues, “You also find the removal of the belly button leaving a 1.5 inch hole in the abdomen and a depressed abdominal cavity showing the removal of the intestines.” The report also noted the victims scrotum had been removed, and that the anal orifice had been extracted with a large incision about 3 to 6 inches in diameter.
    It is significant that the police and medical examiners were convinced the holes found in the head, arms, stomach, anus and legs were not produced by bullet wounds. What is most disturbing about the anal incision and the extraction of anal and digestive tract tissue is that it is a carbon copy of the surgery seen in so many UFO-related animal mutilation cases. While no evidence linking the Guarapiranga reservoir mutilation case with UFOs has been found, Brazilian ufologists and police have hinted that there may be at least a dozen or more cases similar to this one. In fact, Brazil has had past incidents where UFOs have reportedly attacked people, and possibly taking blood from them. The July 12, 1977 edition of the JORNAL DA BAHIA reported that, “A fantastic story of a flying object emitting a strong light and sucking blood from people, circulated from mouth to mouth among the population of the counties of Braganca, Vizeu and Augusto Correa in Para’, where many people fear leaving their homes during the night so they won’t get caught by the vampire-like light from the strange object which, according to information, already has caused the death of two men. No one knows how the story started, but the truth is that it reached Bele’m and grabbed headlines in the local newspapers.”
    Months later, on October 8, the newspaper O LIBERAL launched the first in a series of reports, about the Chupa-Chupa (suck-suck) phenomenon. “Sucking animal attacks men and women in the village of Vigia: A strange phenomenon has been occurring for several weeks in the village of Vigia, more exactly in the Vila Santo Antonio do Imbituba about 7 kilometers from highway PA-140, with the appearance of an object which focus a white light over people, immobilizing them for around an hour, and sucks the breasts of the women leaving them bleeding. The object, known by the locals as “Bicho Voador” (Flying Animal), or “Bicho Sugador” (Sucking Animal), has the shape of a rounded ship and attacks people in isolation. One of the victims, among many in the area, was Mrs. Rosita Ferreira, married, 46 years old, resident of Ramal do Triunfo, who a few days ago was sucked by the light on the left breast, and passed out. Increasingly it looked like she was dealing with a nightmare, feeling as if there were some claws trying to hold her. She was attacked around 3:30 in the morning. Another victim was the lady known as “Chiquita,” who was also sucked by the strange object with her breast becoming bloody, but without leaving any marks.”
    Compared to reports of mysterious animal attacks and mutilations, reports involving humans are somewhat rare. The probable reason is that many such incidents involving people are not recognized for what they are. The possibility is that a massive cover-up by officials world-wide exists to hide the fact that something is preying on humans. If we consider that extraterrestrials are visiting Earth, the likely reason for such visitations is scientific exploration. Consider that with billions of galaxies and the likelyhood that there are multitudes of different kinds of life scattered across the universe, the Earth is just another source of specimens for extraterrestrial scientists to gather and study. While man’s ego would like to think that we are special in the universe, the hard reality could be that we are just curiosities to be collected, studied, and possibly exploited, and then finally pickled in a jar someplace with the notation: HUMAN, MOSTLY HARMLESS.

    If you wish to examine the medical examiner photos:

  • Regarding the anomalous of UFOs, abductions, cattle mutilations, legit crop circles, group visions (whether little greys, Virgin of Medjugorje, etc); I have looked into this for years and believe that while most cases are readily explainable, the ones that are not are attributable to transpersonal manifestations of the collective unconscious.

    Why? Because they all have much in common and they change in theme with the collective and culture. What used to be little elves and gnomes are now bug eyed little greys; What used to be ‘flying saucers’ are now ‘lights in the sky’ and orbs, etc etc. None of these are ‘real’ in a literal consensus reality and this is they are mercurial and why no evidence will ever come forth. This is nothing new and has been with us throughout our history – but the themes change with the times. Well, I didn’t mean to go there, but because it keeps coming up, I couldn’t resist..

  • From the UK Guardian Newspaper

    A report from the NASA Planetary Science Division to the Office of the President that was leaked warns:

    It may not rank as the most compelling reason to curb greenhouse gases, but reducing our emissions might just save humanity from a pre-emptive alien attack, scientists claim.

    Watching from afar, extraterrestrial beings might view changes in Earth’s atmosphere as symptomatic of a civilisation growing out of control – and take drastic action to keep us from becoming a more serious threat, the researchers explain.

    “Green” aliens might object to the environmental damage humans have caused on Earth and wipe us out to save the planet. “These scenarios give us reason to limit our growth and reduce our impact on global ecosystems. It would be particularly important for us to limit our emissions of greenhouse gases, since atmospheric composition can be observed from other planets,” the authors write.

  • ..Adding to the above, when I say the anomalous is not ‘real’, I do not mean that it does not leave evidential footprints – whether scratch marks from supposed demons, ghostly or haunting phenomenon, or burns from a flying saucer,..or even some cases of cattle mutilations.

    My thinking on it is hard to fully expound in this NBL format, so I will just say that I believe some scientists are correct in that we live in a sort of information based, simulated reality – and as such we are holons. Therefore, the psychopathology aspect of our collective unconscious is capable of sending back radar returns in certain cases. Though I have been open to literal ETs, and I now convinced that it has more to do with ‘us’ than any ‘them.’

  • @ Frank

    So, Frank, you’ve been studying that stuff. Have you arrived at any opinion yourself as to what it is all about ?

  • Bailey:

    I understand your mind-set. You live in a well designed, predictable box and anything that might upset your pre-conceived perceptions of reality is a direct threat and therefore must be quashed. Global climate change denialists also live in this box, which explains their almost religious zeal to deny all evidence.

    There are numerous flawless cases that have stood the test of time and high scrutiny and here are some examples: Travis Walton abduction in the 1970’s; The 1973 Pascagoula, MS abduction of Charles Hickson and Calvin Parker in 1973; 1980 abduction of police constable Alan Godfrey. I suggest you research the two day encounter with UFOs at the Rendlesham Airforce base. The UFOs were witnessed (and physical proof exists) by multiple military security police personnel including the Deputy Base Commander, Colonel James Halt.

  • Thank you for the question, ulvfugi. I will explain my opinion a little later this morning, and I would be grateful for any intelligent feedback.

  • Frank, you are totally incorrect in your analysis of me. I have lived my life totally outside of predictable reality lol, and have been open minded to everything I hear. But my own study and thoughful research of these phenomenon over the years, leads me to a collective unconscious explanation – and anyone who has studied the history of anomalous encounters throughout history and culture,cannot deny that they change accordingly.

    No one is going to convince me that little green men drive a different model of space ship every couple of decades – to my point about why no one sees ‘flying saucers’ anymore. The current abductions, generations ago where not bug eyed little aliens (because this was not in the collective unconscious), but were attacks by old hags or medieval creatures, demons, etc. My thinking on this is far from a materialistic mindset however, (if you will go back and ponder my acceptance of the validity of the anomalous).

  • Lidia, thanks for sharing that link about global hyperwarming. Very interesting!

    I read it last night. When I attempted to look at it again this morning I get an error message that says the diary has been deleted. Weird.

  • Hamlet – you wrote “Now the suits are beginning to waver, quiver, & quake… But hey,
    what an exciting opportunity for growth!

    Nicholas Stern: ‘I got it wrong on climate change – it’s far, far worse’”

    I think you are right in that as TPTB realize climate change is real and dire, they will not be able to escape their mindset of “how can I make money off of this”/

    Meanwhile the scientific community has their own reasons for not telling us how dire it is

    The author posits thusly
    Even though conditions are clearly lining up which can trigger a runaway (such as the Arctic ice collapse and the loss of solar reflectivity that will only accelerate further Arctic warming), there is no warning being issued commensurate with the danger. One reason appears to be that, as stated earlier, scientists are trained to only make statements based on “hard evidence”. In the case of a potentially abrupt methane runaway, it is not possible to pinpoint a specific moment in time when such may be initiated. It cannot be stated with certainty whether this will happen in 2017, 2027, or 2037. Without this ability to pinpoint and quantify, the response of science has been to simply not address it.

    Secondly, scientists are human. All of us have great difficulty in truly facing and absorbing the full implications of a complete collapse of human society and even a wiping out of most or all life on the planet. It is human to utilize methods of psychological denial to block out such a staggeringly horrific threat to our collective existence. In this instance, scientists are no different. Unless there is “absolute proof” staring us in the face, the overwheming tendency is to push such thoughts out of our consciousness so we can “get on with our day”.

    I think point two is probably a main factor that we are not getting dire warnings from most scientists

    Then he goes on to point three A third factor is that the current methodology for the reporting of climate science is fundamentally flawed and dysfunctional in regard to the challenge at hand. The single most important such report is that issued by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). It is based on a consensus process and an intensively time-consuming level of peer review. Under normal circumstances, such would be seen as positives. But in a situation where humanity may come under severe threat in the very near term future, these reports are essentially looking backward at where science has been for the past 7 years rather than reporting the cutting edge trend lines. A glaring example is how the IPCC completely missed on predicting the speed at which the Arctic would melt…Is it possible that the very pillar of science which has served our society so well – the uncompromising demand for incontrovertible “evidence” – has in this unprecedented current crisis become a dangerous obstruction? Is it possible that this requirement of absolute “proof” is creating a perceptual blindness that could pave the way for the most horrendous suffering in the history of civilization?

    Actually this morning I listened to a very speculative report on how dogs got domesticated along with humans as they found a gene that dogs have that wolves don’t have that allows them to digest starchy food. In fact I often here scientists themselves doing wild speculation on what their findings might mean. Why then are climate scientists so wont to stick to the careful approach. The denialists say they promote climate change to get grants. I suspect it is the opposite, they downplay climate change to keep their funding = IMHO.

    So we head to a planetary future of perhaps our own extinction, but we will know that dogs have a gene that wolves don’t for digesting starchy food…..Heads stuffed full of information, but no ability to stop our mad rush over the cliff.

  • OzMan,

    With respect to those starving in Ethiopia. You ask if anyone would be willing to skip a meal a day so that those who are starving there could eat.

    That question, to a lesser degree has been asked here in the U.S. for as long as I can remember in the form of pleas to give money to food aid organizations. The commercials show young children with swollen bellies and flies around their mouths and noses. The sad reality is that those organizations have been very successful in raising lots of money and developing huge bloated organizations, but not so good of letting go of that money. A very small percentage ever gets to the intended audience.

    That’s really beside the point, actually, and doesn’t answer your question.

    The greater issue is overpopulation and our continued attempts to thwart the laws of nature. Let’s say that I give up one meal a day for a starving child in Ethiopia, a country already grossly overpopulated. Let’s also say that my gift allows the child to grow into an adult. That adult then goes on to have three or four children. But remember, I’m already giving up a meal to feed the one who is now a mother. Who will feed her children? Am I really helping or am I just enabling greater suffering in the future in the form of three times as many starving children?

    As the article you posted states (and I’m not sure I agree with it), Ethiopia should be able to feed its people, but, as usual, the developed world is paying off a few officials so that they can rape the land and steal the resources.

    But the only way that all that food is being produced is by using fossil fuels and industrial agriculture. That’s not something that the Ethiopians have access to, apparently. So, even if the West suddenly became magnanimous and started giving all the food it was growing there to the Ethiopians, and also taught them how to grow it themselves using industrial methods, where would that get us? Perhaps another generation before if all comes crashing down? How high would their population be then? 100,000,000?

    I realize that this is a very difficult situation. And if I thought my giving up a meal a day would help, then I would be happy to. But I think it’s the wrong question. The question should be, is there a solution at all? And the answer is, yes. As David Attenborough has pointed out, nature is providing the solution.

    A final note: to be clear, I think we’re going to be seeing the Ethiopian situation in the U.S. soon, for exactly the same reasons.

  • Anonymous: “Operation Last Resort: Not This Time. This Time There Will Be Change, Or There Will Be Chaos”
    Posted on January 27, 2013 by WashingtonsBlog

  • Here is another reason why climate science is behind the curve; It’s called tunnel vision. I.e., scientists work in their own little niche and get where they cannot see the forest for the trees.

    I work in medical research and compile studies for layman consumption from many different genres in a certain field. When I correspond with doctors and research scientists, I am always astounded that they are so caught up in their own little project, that they are not mindful of all the other research unfolding all around them – and especially if if doesn’t stroke their own emotional investment and ego gratification. It has always been thus with science. Even though it is thought to be a totally objective field, it is rife with subjectivity tainted with human emotion.

  • Until recently, the delicate states of matter predicted by quantum mechanics have only been accessed with the most careful experiments: isolated particles at blisteringly low temperatures or pressures approaching that of deep space.

    The idea that biology – impossibly warm, wet and messy to your average physicist – should play host to these states was almost heretical.

    But a few strands of evidence were bringing the idea into the mainstream, said Luca Turin of the Fleming Institute in Greece.

    “There are definitely three areas that have turned out to be manifestly quantum,” Dr Turin told the BBC. “These three things… have dispelled the idea that quantum mechanics had nothing to say about biology.”..

  • Bailey, thank you for being so reasonable. Your point about UFO’s and other visitors from the unknowable changing from over time in accordance with the culture they emerge from is excellent – and it’s not too different from what I have always thought about religion…isn’t it funny that people are convinced their god(s) exist when, after a civilization fails or a tribe disappears, everyone that comes after knows without any doubt that their god(s) were made up fairy tales? And yet at the time, it would have been heretical to say Isis wasn’t real, or Thor or Zeus or as many gods as there have been tribes.

    When I first noticed that trees are dying, and hardly anybody else would admit it (still pretty much the case) it was making me crazy trying to understand why people couldn’t see what was so obvious to me.

    And then I remembered everything I read about the Holocaust and the deep denial among the victims – and the witnesses – to the horror and I realized something that is very important and explains much:

    Never underestimate the capacity of humans to delude themselves.

    The more awful the event – especially those perpetrated on us by our own species – the greater our ability to ignore it. (Think of incest, which is shockingly common, and not just in America although that is the focus of this article:

    Making up spirits and souls and consciousncess outside of ourselves is an essential part of that capacity (and one way children create alternate personalites when they are abused). Our imagination is a wonderful thing, but it is also enabling us to commit ecocide.

  • Gail the Muse says:

    It’s far more likely that people who sense, for whatever reason, that the Malthusian outcome is imminent, experience some serious cognitive dissonence and have all sorts of psychiatric reactions trying to make sense of the madness.

    Gonna Live Forever

    Some, being stuck in Stage Three,
    Bargain for eternity:
    They want to decree
    That death will not be,
    As in many a fantasy.

  • That DailyKos diary has been deleted but I found the text (I think it’s the same) and copied it:!topic/alt.politics/YCYpmlvvN8Q

    Dr. Landing has advanced the theory of global hyperwarming in a recent
    journal article. This is a new hypothesis that features a whole new
    twist on the idea that carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is the driver in
    a global warming episode.

    Landing is a paleontologist and a geologist with a different slant to
    the whole idea of climate change. Geologists take the long view, with a
    timescale that considers millions of years. According to the
    geologists, greenhouse conditions are actually the default state of our
    planet, with a temperature of about 72 degrees Fahrenheit, averaged out
    over the globe, day and night, summer and winter. By contrast, 2012,
    one of the ten hottest years on record averaged out at 58 degrees. In
    the default condition, all of the glaciers and icecaps are melted. All
    of human evolution has taken place within a few degrees of ice house
    conditions. We haven’t seen a warm planet yet. The reason is because
    of plate tectonics, which have managed to place a major continent on the
    Antarctic pole, and surrounded the Arctic with land masses. Water is
    sucked out of the system as ice, and the polar seas sink oxygenated
    water into the oceans, which allows sea creatures to sequester carbon in
    the oceans. That confluence of events has allowed us to enjoy the Earth
    as it is. But we are fucking it up.

    If all of the ice in Antarctic and Greenland and the continental
    glaciers melted it would result in a sea level rise of about 100 meters.
    That would be enough to put most of the Eastern seaboard under water,
    and would make Memphis a seaport. But Landing has produced evidence,
    in the form of multiple layers of black slate, the residue of black,
    anoxic (no oxygen) mud, that suggest that the actual sea levels were
    twice that during the Ordovician and Cambrian eras. Other scientists
    have found evidence of lethally hot temperatures and anoxic oceans
    during the great Triassic extinction, which wiped out about 90% of the
    world’s extant species.

    So where did the higher water come from? Lander’s theory is that it was
    simply the thermal expansion of the ocean’s waters. As water overlaps
    the continents, the sun heats up the shallow seas, which feeds back into
    the ocean. At the same time, there was a large increase in water vapor,
    which is itself a potent greenhouse gas. Lander figures that the world
    had an average temperature over 100 degrees Fahrenheit in the Ordovician

    In fact, water in New York Harbor has risen about 8 inches since record
    keeping began, and this is fairly consistent with other records around
    the world. This more due to thermal expansion than glacier melting,
    which just began recently.

    In the absence of anthropogenic forcing, we would still be living in
    rather cold temperatures. But given the release of carbon into the
    atmosphere, we can expect that all of the world’s ice will be melted
    within 300 years. At that point, the conditions are ripe for Landing’s
    hyperwarming to set in. When the ocean reaches its highest point, the
    Appalachians will be a series of islands. All of the Midwest will be
    under sea water. The people that are left will be really hungry.

  • And here’s a link to an article about the study (which has a link to the full study at the end, if you go to the site):

    As we continue to experience one of the warmest winters on record in the Northeast, the New York State paleontologist is reporting new research suggesting that high sea levels leading to “global hyperwarming” are much more important than carbon dioxide levels in predicting global climate change.

    Dr. Ed Landing, state paleontologist and curator of paleontology at the New York State Museum, has recently published his findings online in “Palaeogeography, Palaeoclimatology, Palaeoecology,” an international journal that publishes high quality and multi-disciplinary, original studies with global implications in the field of palaeo-environmental geology.
    Since the middle 1800s scientists have considered high carbon dioxide levels to be a greenhouse gas and a driver of higher global temperatures. However, Landing’s study of the rock succession in New York state shows that periodic extreme temperatures, with oceans reaching 100 F, occurred within “greenhouse” intervals. He terms these “global hyperwarming” times, and shows that they correspond to intervals of very high sea-levels.

    “Global hyperwarming” is a previously unrecognized climate condition. As sea levels rise, Landing’s research suggests that with the predicted melting of polar ice caps, the continents will reflect less sun light back to space and less reflective shallow seas will store heat and warm as they overlap the land. Warming seas will rapidly work to increase global temperatures and heat the world ocean. This leads to a feedback that further expands ocean volume, with heating, and further accelerates both global warming and sea-level rise. In the course of this feedback, marine water circulation and oxygenation fall due in part to the fact that hot waters hold less oxygen.

    Landing first recognized the imprint of “global hyperwarming” in 520 to 440 million-year-old, shallow to deep-water rocks in eastern New York and from other information received on localities worldwide. This time interval shows nine intervals of extreme sea-levels that covered much of North America and other ancient continents. In all cases, strong sea-level rises, which sometimes drove marine shorelines into the upper Midwest, are accompanied by the spread of hot, low oxygen marine water largely devoid of animal life down into the deep sea and across the continents.

    Landing’s study may help predict the future. A 300-foot sea-level rise, which would result from melting the Greenland and Antarctica ice caps, is as great as the ancient sea-level rises documented by Landing and other scientists 520 to 460 million years ago. This sea-level rise would also lead to a warming and expansion of the ocean waters resulting in a rise of shorelines to 500 feet above present, basically covering the non-mountainous U.S. to northern Wisconsin. Even worse, in the case of New York, the Earth’s rotation would force a rise of the west Atlantic to 650 feet above present sea levels.

  • Folks, what are your thoughts on the prospect of an irreversible carbon effect such that we would end up with a ruined atmosphere like Venus? I realize that carbon is eventually sequestered via life forms in the ocean and otherwise, but is it possible to overbalance the equation with so much carbon that it can never correct itself?

  • Runaway Greenhouse Effect, James Hansen 2010

  • @ Gail

    No offence intended, but …were made up fairy tales?

    ALL that we have are stories. Your stories, Gail, about the trees and ozone are just stories. The only difference between your stories and fairy tales is that, if you are correct, your stories have a connection to empirical, quantifiable, measurable, evidence.

    I actually take exception to the disparaging usage of the term ‘fairy tales’ (which Frank also mentioned). If anyone actually studied fairy tales, they are one of the greatest literary genres of the world. They carry timeless truths about the human condition. To speak of them as if they are no more than worthless, some sort of misleading junk, is imo, quite offensive.

    Everybody on this blog, everybody on the internet, is telling stories. Either because they want us to believe theirs, or they want to discredit someone else’s story. Mythos and logos. Right brain stories and left brain stories.

    People claim there is something called Truth, which they like to attach to particular stories. But if you try to establish, with any precision, what that term ‘truth’ actually means, it turns out to be very, very difficult. What, exactly, is the relationship between a verbal statement of ‘fact’, and a corresponding piece of empirical evidence said to support that fact ? Assertions and arm waving really won’t do.

    Gail has just given Landing’s story re sea levels and global temperatures, etc. How can we possibly test that story for truth or falsehood ? Frank gave us another, far more bizarre story, even more difficult to test or evaluate in any way.

    It’s bad enough for the very simple stuff, like the boiling temperature of water. Always 100 deg. C. That’s ‘true’. Except it’s not. It changes with air pressure.

  • Bailey says……”No one is going to convince me.”

    You made my point, sir or madam.

    There is nothing more to say since you refuse to look at the evidence, including the examples I provided.

    “Population Bomb” author & Stanford University biologist Paul Ehrlich on his Royal Society Paper “Can a collapse of global civilization be avoided?” From Tasmania, forest expert Dr. David Bowman: wild fires drive more global warming. Economist John Talberth suing the U.S. Government over risky ocean oil leases in the Arctic. Three interviews from a world of trouble.
    Welcome to another triple-header with Radio Ecoshock. I’m Alex Smith with three interviews with three great guests.
    I’ll call Tasmania to learn why it burned and why climate-driven fires threaten all of us. Our guest is world-recognized fire expert David Bowman.
    Then we’ll investigate why the Obama Administration is rushing to sell off oil and gas rights on the dangerous Outer Continental Shelf. Is that fire-sale meant to fatten a Ponzi scheme of big oil stock prices? Economist John Talberth explains why his group, The Center for Sustainable Economy, is suing the government.
    But first Stanford’s eminent biologist Dr. Paul Ehrlich (author of “The Population Bomb” and a dozen more) on his new scientific paper, published in the Proceedings of the Royal Society. The title of this peer-reviewed paper is “Can a collapse of global civilization be avoided?”

  • ulv said, Frank gave us another, far more bizarre story, even more difficult to test or evaluate in any way.

    What are you referring to? The mutilation issue? What more do you want and what more can be provided other than the official autopsy reports, photos, and the doctors opinions. If you have a viable alternative theory I would love to hear it.

    Damn near everything is a theory including gravity.