Fukushima, Climate Change, Near-Term Extinction: Resignation Vs. Surrender

by Carolyn Baker

RadiationAll things die and all things live forever;

But our task is to die,

To die making roads,

Roads over the sea.

~Antonio Machado~

Recently a reader of my website asked me to clarify the difference between resignation and surrender. When faced with catastrophic climate change, near-term extinction, and the worst emission of radiation in the history of the world from the Fukushima nuclear power plant, how should we respond? The reader found himself swimming in deep despair and feeling very much like giving up—perhaps even ceasing the breast strokes of vigorous swimming, plunging further into the despair, and intentionally inhaling as deeply as possible. Well, that would be suicide, and he didn’t feel ready for that—at least not in that moment, and the word “surrender” kept coming to mind, but isn’t that the same as giving up?

 

This morning’s Guardian headline reads “Fukushima Warning: Danger Level At Nuclear Plant Jumps To ‘Serious’,” and the Wall St. Journal states unequivocally that ‘TEPCO (Tokyo Electric Power Company) Has Lost Control.’ Just a few days ago I posted on my site Guy McPherson’s latest piece “19 Ways Climate Change Is Feeding On Itself,” and Washington’s Blog screams, “West Coast Of North America To Be Hit Hard By Fukushima Radiation,” complete with a detailed map of the ocean current called the North Pacific Gyre which is bringing Japanese radiation to the West Coast of North America. Why would I not want to give up? Why would I not want to ingest a large dosage of ‘Fuckidall’ or go eat 700 pounds of chocolate? Go to the gym today? Are you freakin’ kidding me?

 

As I’ve mentioned in earlier posts, I occasionally hear people saying things like, “Well, we’re not going to be here after 2030 by which time near-term extinction is ‘guaranteed’ so what I eat or drink or smoke or do or don’t do doesn’t matter.”

 

That’s called resignation or giving up, and from my perspective, indulging in it, even if I feel compelled to do so, is a cowardly, delusional kind of devil’s bargain that essentially affirms that I have no purpose here except breathing air and ingesting food and water. Resignatio in Latin connotes submission, acquiescence, and compliance. Is this not the same as surrender? Actually, it’s not.

 

Hopefully, everyone reading these words, like me, is not willing to go gently, quietly, or complacently into the abyss that our species has created. If we do—if at this unprecedented time in the history of our planet we resign ourselves to defining our existence only in terms of the physical plane, as if we have absolutely no connection with anything eternal or constant, then we are inexorably as foolish as the purveyors of industrial civilization who are engaged in rendering this planet uninhabitable.

 

Surrender is fundamentally different from resignation because unlike the latter, it is not a passive act. Surrender is always a choice, and in our “dead man walking” status on planet Earth, we may be able to change nothing in the external milieu, but we have agency in how we meet our fate. Certainly we have the option and the right to muddle our way into oblivion like comatose inebriates, and countless millions will choose and are choosing that path.

 

Mentally, I keep returning to Nazi death camp survivors and the unspoken, seemingly feckless choices they made on a daily basis that allowed them to prevail. Perhaps a drawing made in the mud or jokes they furtively told to one another or a decision that every day they would find meaning somewhere, somehow in the hellish drudgery and brutality of their lives.

 

Giving up is easy. Surrender takes enormous courage and self-regard—an abiding conviction that one’s human dignity is worth it, even if one is bereft of family and friends. Surrender acknowledges that in the last half of 2013, the human species is marching obliviously in its own funeral procession and that perhaps one can choose instead to march consciously, all the while asking questions that matter. Questions like: What is left for me to do here? How do I most wisely use the time I have left? What is my work in these remaining years? What gifts do I have that I must give? What brings meaning to the lives of people around me? What brings meaning to me?

 

As people approach their own demise, life review is crucial. How did I live? How did I love? What were the very best moments? What were the worst? And most importantly: What did I learn? Who did I become as a result of the wise choices I made and the ones that weren’t so wise? Invariably, there will be grief, and impending funerals are the exact venues where it must erupt. But as William Blake said, “The deeper the sorrow, the greater the joy,” and if we allow and follow the grief, joy will inevitably emerge from its depths.

 

At this moment we are confronted with a horrendous reality. Not only is climate change decimating the planet, but added to that catastrophe is one that, unlike climate change, we cannot measure because the facts pertaining to it are concealed. Fortunately, we have a plethora of data regarding climate change, but foolish and frightened humans have been concealing the realities of Fukushima from the world for more than two years. Our sense of powerlessness grows exponentially by the hour. Fukushima is out of control, and so are we.

 

In World As Lover, World As Self, Joanna Macy refers to the work of Polish psychiatrist Kazimierz Dabrowski who speaks of “positive disintegration” or the cracking of outgrown shells which he argues “permits the emergence of higher psychic structures and awareness.” What disintegrates in times of catastrophe is not the essence of who we are, the deeper self, but rather, our defenses, our notions about who we are, that is to say, the ego. I say, bring it on. No, not psychosis or madness but an authentic decomposition of ego.

 

While the human ego gets a lot of bad press, the reality is that we need one. I would ask anyone who tells me that they have lost their ego how it is that they can find their car keys or the door to the restroom. We cannot live without an ego, but unbeknownst to the fathers of industrial civilization, the ego is only one small aspect of who we are. Near-term extinction and Fukushima are the best and the worst that the ego can produce, and left to its own devices, the ego will always replicate such horrors.

 

The human ego has reached the end of the line, and our struggle with the difference between giving up and surrendering is to be celebrated as its last death gasp. It has taken us to the jaws of death where we must choose to die to at least the old paradigm, and yes, perhaps, choose to die literally. Thus, it is now time to stop investing 90 percent of our energy in logistical preparation and 10 percent in emotional and spiritual preparation—if we have time and if we feel like it. In fact, these proportions should be reversed. For so many reasons—go ahead and count them, we are marching in our own funeral procession. There is enormous work to be done emotionally and spiritually in preparing for what appears to be our certain demise. If anyone feels uncertain about what I’m referring to, please contact me.

 

The termination of the three-dimensional, Enlightenment-engendered, patriarchal, soul-murdering, planet-annihilating paradigm of industrial civilization is upon us, and we should not be railing and raging against it if we are not willing to do the emotional and spiritual work to buy out of it and transform consciousness as we surrender to the inevitable. What we all need now is not another permaculture course or another bucket of barley but rather, the soft touch and locked eye contact of each other. We need our hearts to be broken open and our tears to water and soak the earth and wash away the encrusted filth of civilization that pollutes and paralyzes our souls. That, dear reader, is not about giving up, but choosing to rise to the unprecedented, Herculean challenge of healing and transformation that the current catastrophes have thrown in our faces.

 

It may be time to die, but let us, as the poet Machado says, die making roads over the sea.

 

CAROLYN’S FORTHCOMING BOOK: Collapsing Consciously: Transformative Truths For Turbulent Times. Pre-order here: https://www.amazon.com/Collapsing-Consciously-Transformative-Turbulent-Activism/dp/1583947124/ref=sr_1_1_title_0_main?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1377212856&sr=1-1&keywords=collapsing+consciously

Foreword by John Michael Greer

Release Date: November 19

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This essay originally appeared at Speaking Truth to Power. It echoes this essay of mine from 19 September 2012.

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McPherson’s latest essay for The Good Men Project was published Tuesday, 3 September 2013: Questioning Culture: Our Addiction to Growth.

Comments 123

  • Ms Baker – this is an inspiring insightful essay – delivered with impeccable timing – Like a sip of cool water to our dying of thirst. Thank you so much.

  • This is truly a brilliantly written and moving piece.
    Carolyn, you have laid out here the most practical steps for a meaningful, personal preparation for death.
    I just forwarded the essay to my financial adviser to help explain to her why I asked her to close my accounts, liquidate everything (not much after 2008) and cash in my retirement IRA.

    Because you are so right:
    The time for practical survival preparations is gone.
    The time to live, in grace and beauty,is now.

    I had a dream last night of a woman on a ship telling me a story of her grown daughter and grand daughter. She talked about how sad her daughter was on the ship, lonely and distraught about the endless sailing to nowhere, the pointlessness of it. And of how one day the woman helped both her daughter and grand daughter off the ship and into the icy waters where the two swam away to an ice berg to die. I asked her in horror “how could you?” She calmly said “it was their right to choose their exit. I could no longer watch them suffer. “.

    Like you said Carolyn, Grief can be followed by joy. I’ve had that experience in my life, grieving a lost mother, an ended marriage, three babies grown to adulthood (loved nursing them), but with each of these comes great joy. No regrets. Time now to build more memories, even if there will be no one to remember.
    It makes for beautiful smiles.
    What a way to go.

    Guy, Thank you for this space to share. And for this blog. Very healing. You help us feel sane.

  • First time commenting after reading here for over a year now. Thanks for this piece. I will refer back to it often in the coming years we have left, as I dance back and forth between despair, denial, acceptance, fear, and yes, surrender. Remaining vulnerable to it all-the hardest task we’ve had, regardless of the experience.

    By the way, anyone else out there with little kids, and because of having that little spark of perfection, sob in silence late at night when thinking about the future? Alas, we’re all guaranteed to die–who would have thought we’d be born into witnessing the dying off of everything that defines us, and witnessing it in our lifetimes?

    Chop wood, carry water.

  • Dear Carolyn,
    you’re right in every way. I agree entirely with your definitions of giving up and surrendering. “Collapsing consciously”, I’ve been doing that for quite some time now. To give up and not care about the time you have left, not to live to the best of your ability and, as you put it so well, not making “locked eye contact”, not only with beloved humans but all beloved beings, is infantile. But that’s what our destructive culture has done to most Western humans – it has made them into infants. Unfortunately infants don’t (can’t) read Guy’s blog, or yours or your books. Still, I really appreciate all you lovely people out there. Your writing and most of your comments help to sustain me (to use a very misused word, but in this case I can’t think of a better one).

  • I appreciate the essay and agree with it. Pero, “sino estelas en la mar” no tiene nada que ver con morir. Pa’que sepan todo el mundo. I believe the poem is mistranslated and just couldn’t sit still for it. The prospect of my demise is a meditation and a gift and I struggle to embrace it. So, now it is true, more than ever, caminante, no hay camino, se hace camino al andar, and the next moment is transformed as I sip my coffee and listen to the rain fall. The cat bumps my leg and I am going to die with some 7 billion others. I will push my small boat from the shore and grasp the tiller and pull in the main sheet. The luffing sail fills with wind and I glide from the shore. My foot on the hard certainty of the beach becomes a memory only. There is no road for this particular journey and the destination was always inevitable. But, I got to be here, for a while.

  • I love it here because I can say whatever I feel like saying. For now.

    More love and kisses – not exactly a call to stir the masses into protests.

    I have resigned myself to jump in front of a train when SHTF. I just hope the FEMA bus doesn’t catch me first. I’ve read my share of prisoner camp stories – and, like Frankl says, “The survivors were not The Best of Us.” So be it. I am not “The Best of Us” and I am no survivor, I am a refugee of Industrial Civilization just waiting to see the govt buildings burn and the politicians hang.

    The children suffer, there is no redemption.

    September, I love the cool ground and the warm sun.

    I do agree that we are out of control. IMO, “We” have been out of control since we became aware.

    Each moment, 1,000 acts of kindness and 1,000 acts of barbarism, the concert of man playing out on this once paradisaical stage. The resignation of the spirit when one realizes there was no purpose to any of it, save the making of one more tragic comedy, an improv performance, a cast surrendered to an indifferent audience.

    Cheap Trick
    Surrender
    1978

    Whatever happened to all this season’s losers of the year?
    Every time I got to thinking, where’d they disappear?
    When I woke up, Mom and Dad were rolling on the couch
    Rolling numbers, rock and rolling, got my Kiss records out

    Mommy’s alright, Daddy’s alright, they just seem a little weird
    Surrender, surrender, but don’t give yourself away, ay, ay, ay
    Away, away

  • Thank you Carolyn, for the most moving and honest essay I have ever read. 35 years of work to wake up the masses and here we are. It seems like a waste but not when I consider how I have been shaped. The more others would not listen, the more I gave up to help show them. In the past week, I’ve counseled more people in spiritual crisis than ever before. My life’s work has shifted from waking people up to as an activist, to guiding them toward resolve and being in the moment. My training as a performer teaches it’s always about being in the moment; I spent so much of my life either working to manifest the future or processing the past and learning to be in “real time” is in fact, the key to it all. In the “moment” is about being connected to where we are at all times; co-creating each moment as the beautifully designed “freewill” system is; making choices: do we live in fear or the beauty of truth? It’s the resignation over the fear, that elevates the spirit into a euphoric acceptance that energizes! “Now” is where you share the gratitude for experiencing the garden! In the end, if we do our spiritual work, perhaps the next time we are invited to the garden party, we can transform our freewill with the soul imprint of gratitude as oppose to one of lack, shame, guilt…Let’s inspire healing! I love you Carolyn and I love everyone reading this! Thank you for all your personal work that allows you to be cognitive to all there is!

  • I’ll heap my offering of fuel onto the fire of thanks. This is exactly what needs to be said now, Carolyn. After we have accepted the inevitable, what are we to do with that acceptance? After all, we’re not dead yet.

    Kubler-Ross’ five stages are by now a cliche. However, I propose that we may look for a sixth stage after we have traversed those first obligatory five. I call it “Finding the Gift”. What gift does this awareness and acceptance bring for me? What insight, clarity, epiphany or opportunity might appear that was not there before?

    Surrender helped me to find my version of the gift. More than helped, it was essential. Without first surrendering, I would not even have been able to see the gift, let alone realize what it was.

    Thank you, Carolyn.

  • Cowgirl Apocalypse Haiku #38

    Slow, steaming breakdown-
    hard bits making space for breath.
    Ego’s compost heap.

  • Thanks to Carolyn and Guy for addressing the REAL questions of our time ~ the questions those of us ask who can no longer believe there is a remedy for the consequences of our collective insanity, such as pursuit of perpetual human population and economic growth amidst the 6th great extinction of species. So, yes, how shall we live, knowing what we know?

    Carolyn raises good questions: “What is left for me to do here? How do I most wisely use the time I have left? What is my work in these remaining years? What gifts do I have that I must give? What brings meaning to the lives of people around me? What brings meaning to me?”

    My longing is to co-create a soulful ritual of both mourning for and thanksgiving to this miraculous planet, and also of humblest apology for our species’ crimes against Nature, which I regard to be the consequence of our civilization’s wicked anthropocentrism. Anthropocentrism is wicked because it willfully violates ~ with its assertion of human supremacy and domination ~ the wholeness and sacredness of Nature, and of the jurisdiction of the Earth which surpasses all human laws.

    The Council of All Beings, co-created by Joanna Macy and John Seed is the closest ritual format for the process I have in mind ~ that I’ve experienced so far anyway. It is quite brilliant, and they came up with it nearly 30 years ago, in 1985, before things had advanced to the dire stage we are now in. I recommend it highly for groups of people willing to commit a whole day or, even better, a weekend.

    Back in the day (1980’s and ’90’s), The Council of All Beings created deep fellowship and resolve for activism, but now I sense we need a kind of fellowship that nourishes soulful courage to give our gifts and maintain sanity even amidst insanity and breakdown.

    If I come up with something I feel good about, I’ll see if Guy or Carolyn will post it.

  • Wow, kumbaya.
    I feel better already.

    Someone’s breathing Lord, Kumbaya.
    Someone’s drinking Lord, Kumbaya.
    Someone’s eating Lord, Kumbaya.
    Oh, Lord, Kumbaya.

    Someone’s choking Lord, Kumbaya.
    Someone’s wretching Lord, Kumbaya.
    Someone’s dying Lord, Kumbaya.

    We are impotent fools, standing by lamenting our fate while everything gets killed.

  • I composed a very long post in response to some of what I’m reading, and it didn’t get uploaded. I’m not doing it again. Suffice it to say, the revolution was not televised. We lost. We gave it a good try, but now it’s too late. So here we are on the beach of doom. From the last thread, I read the review of Solnit’s book, and I was gobsmacked by this:

    “We tell our stories in order to live,” Solnit writes. We are all Scheherazade, attempting to talk our way out of erasure….

    “Stories like yours and worse than yours are all around,” Solnit writes, “and your suffering won’t mark you out as special, though your response to it might.”

    Yes, yes, yes. That’s why we’re here, isn’t it? Telling our stories in order to live? Trying to be special? Our responses are here for all to read, even though none of it matters. Yet we keep talking.

  • Rob says “(I’m) waiting to see the govt buildings burn and the politicians hang.”

    Ain’t gonna happen anytime soon, comprade, at least stateside. We are entering the beginning stages of this global game called ‘last man standing’. If I were a betting man, and I am, I’d put my money on the good ole’ USA not just to place or show, but for the “win”.

    Long before we suffer food shortages, power outages, resource rationing, wealth destruction, etc, we’re going to make sure that our opposition (ie the rest of the entire planet) takes the first & biggest bites of the collective shit sandwich.

    Long before our domestic concentration camps are running at full steam, before all civil liberties are curtailed, and with mass die-offs (most likely engineered amongst the over-55 crowd) helping reduce short-term population pressures, the rest of the world will be undergoing massive social upheaval, revolution & war.

    For those that who can stomach the action, we here are going to have front row seats to watch it all transpire. However, in the mean time, gas will still be relatively cheap, a huge swath of the population will be given vouchers to live, eat & play (WIC/SNAP/SSDI) in order to maintain the peace, and life will go on pretty much as it does today.

    For that prospect of relative tranquility, I have come to not only support, but to embrace, our fascist empire. There are still so many ways in which to enjoy each beautiful day, so who really wants the show to end?

    Ultimately, it’s every man for himself anyway, so why must it be personalized? That is, in a battle between you & your neighbor, or opposing clan, what do you care if they suffer in defeat? Likewise, what do I care about Syria? If they must make way for our dominance, why not?

    When you really, and I mean, really figure out the game, there is no moral basis for any action. Simply made up words to accompany made up emotions. But there’s a more fundamental reason for support as well: you’re either part of the solution or part of the problem.

    Nothing, nothing is going to turn back the USA from its current plotted course. Therefore, you either go along to get along, or you step forward to self-identify as someone who wants to get off the ride right now.

    Personally, I’m ready to party. Fuck the prepping – there’s gonna be plenty of food up until finally we run out. Then it is truly game over.

  • I couldn’t agree more with B9K9. The USA will be the last place on earth to collapse into anarchy. We have the biggest, baddest military for good reason. Of course sooner or later we will come toe to toe with the Russians and Chinese but not for a while yet. The Russians have their own oil and gas so they won’t go to war over Syria or Iran. And the Chinese can be contained and will have plenty of domestic problems to deal with while their economy collapses.

    So I don’t expect the lights to go out or the grocery stores to go bare any time soon in the USA. Which is good news for Americans unless you have a death wish. We want to be the last ones standing.

  • Do not go gentle into that good night,
    Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

    Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
    Because their words had forked no lightning they
    Do not go gentle into that good night.

    Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
    Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

    Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
    And learn, too late, they grieve it on its way,
    Do not go gentle into that good night.

    Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
    Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

    And you, my father, there on the sad height,
    Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
    Do not go gentle into that good night.
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

    — Dylan Thomas

  • THE WALL

    The Thin Ice

    Even with walls very tall,
    The water continues to fall:
    How high will suffice?
    Plus, cracks in the ice,
    Will require more cubes in the wall.
    ==

    Another Cube in the Wall Part 1*

    There’s no ice which they can install
    To completely encircle it all;
    Plus, flows over the top
    Make the need never stop
    For another cube in the wall.
    ==

    Another Cube in the Wall Part 2

    No education at all,
    No thought control to recall:
    Leave them kids alone,
    There’s no time to postpone
    Another cube in the wall.
    ==

    Empty Spaces

    How shall we fill empty spaces
    Through which the hot water races
    Above and around
    The wall? please expound:
    What should we do in such cases?
    ==

    Another Cube in the Wall Part 3

    I’ve seen the wall-written scrawl—
    Nothing will help now at all;
    You can pile on more ice,
    But here’s doomer advice:
    It’s all just cubes in the wall.
    ==

    * This stanza also submitted to previous thread.

  • @ B9K9, Tom F,

    Ya think ? I read it differently. Enemies of USA will cheer if USA bombs and invades Syria, and embroils itself in yet another futile catastrophe, one more step toward utter ruination.

    After Snowden, TPTB know they can’t trust anyone, so every employee must be constantly watched. How long is that going to work ? It’s ok when morale is high and the Empire is rising, but when it’s falling and everyone understands, all they are doing is defending a rotting corpse…

    Look what happened to USSR, the border guards refused to shoot. They didn’t give a shit any more. They knew their superiors didn’t give a shit. They knew their superiors didn’t give a shit. All the way up the chain. Time will come when Obama, Kerry, or their equivalents will issue the order, and nobody will jump… too many lies, too many false flags, too much bullshit. All for what ? Nothing worth defending.

    Have you seen how the US Navy and Airforce feel about fighting on the same side as Al Qaeda ? To help Israel ? Paid for by Saudi Arabia ? For a President who trashes the Constitution ? There are cracks appearing all over the place. Doesn’t look like ‘last man standing’ to me…

    But I could be wrong..

    Sorry that is off topic.

    Very moving and poignant essay, Carolyn. Thank you.

    @ Suzanne

    And thank you for reminding me of the Council for All Beings…

    Thinking Like A Mountain… Sigh…

  • Contributors all – thanks, greatly appreciated.

    Here are a couple of ancient Chinese poems that I’ve read many times, over many years. I think that the folks here at NBL can relate to this one:

    THE FISH WEEPS

    The fish weeps in the
    Dry riverbed. Too late he
    Is sorry he flopped
    Across the shallows. Now he
    Wants to go back and
    Warn all the other fishes.

    Anonymous(Six Dynasties)

    In this Climate Change Era this poem seems to have an extra significance:

    WIND TOSSED DRAGONS

    The shadows of the cypresses
    On the moonlit avenue
    To the abandoned palace
    Weave in tangles on the road
    Like great kelp in the depths of the sea.
    When the palace was full of people
    I used to see this all the time
    And never noticed how beautiful it was.
    Mid-Autumn full moon, the luminous night
    Is like a boundless ocean. A wild
    Wind blows down the empty birds’ nests
    And makes a sound like the waves of the sea
    In the branches of the lonely trees.

    Hsieh Ngao

    Melancholy is my enemy. I must learn to gaze into Infinity without losing my mind. Ha,Ha…maybe a little late for the losing my mind part.

  • @Suzanne, Erin, Artleads, Ulvfugl
    http://www.joannamacy.net/deepecology/111-joanna-macy-council-of-all-beings-july2002.html
    No disrespect to the originators, there is an alternative version…. I like to imagine the council took place millenia ago. For any who are exhausted from being ground to powder in the “Mea culpa” mill… A story:

    All the beings got together and the representatives spoke. All lamented the interminable round of nesting, breeding, eating, shitting sleeping, secreting and photosynthesising that was their common lot. All expressed horror and remorse for hunting down/infesting/eating- dead or alive- the others. All apologised unreservedly, only qualified by saying; “We cannot help it! It is in our nature…”

    They considered what to do about it. After much deliberation, they hit on an idea. “What’s needed is a special species- one that is badly adapted and too clever by half.”

    Some representative suggested: “This is a long-shot, but it might just work- A mammal that loses it’s hair would get cold, and maybe start harnessing fire to keep warm. The further time goes on, the more maladapted they will become. In the end they will be digging all kinds of toxic materials out of the earth. Hopefully they will become so destructive that they can end all life on earth forever, and our torments will be over. We just need a suitable mammal candidate.”

    Another clever representative asked: “Just out of interest- no particular reason- are there any primates with opposable thumbs?”

    Homo something-or-other was shuffling around nervously at the back somewhere. Homo something-or-other-else gave him/her a hefty shove, and the whole council turned towards the disturbance- “Ahh! Just what we’re looking for……”

    …To be continued…

    @B9K9, Tom F
    No way am I hanging around to find out which of you is the last one standing. 🙂

  • “Anthropocentrism is wicked because it willfully violates ~ with its assertion of human supremacy and domination ~ the wholeness and sacredness of Nature, and of the jurisdiction of the Earth which surpasses all human laws.”

    According to evolutionary law, anthropocentric is exactly what we are supposed to be. Every single species exists in competition with others to reproduce its own genes, that IS the wholeness and sacredness of Nature, that is what created the glorious biodiversity on Earth in the first place. So it could be said that we’re just really, really good at what Nature intended, because we’ve out-competed most every other species. It remains to be seen (and we won’t be here to see it) which bacteria or fungus out-competes us to ultimately “win”.

  • Carolyn, Since coming over to the ‘dark side’ you have added a sorely needed voice to this NTE raucous rabble. I had decided some time ago that the preparation needed for the coming fun times must needs focus on the inner self.

    [At the end of “Kill Bill” knowing he had been killed, he asked, “How do I look?”] If we are going out, let’s go out looking good. Depressed? Nah… Don’t have time. I am too busy making sure my tux is pressed and my shoes shined. I need to comb the burrs out of my bad little Spaniel. Knowing that the fruit trees that I planted last year may outlive me is comforting. Perhaps this will be the best looking funeral procession there ever was.

  • This really becomes the final question: how do we face our death? It might be splitting hairs to wonder about the differences between resignation and surrendering, but life certainly takes on new luster once you realize you’re getting cheated out of that long nap after a long life. No more long life out for anyone, ever again.

    Suicide becomes more complex because other people are connected to me. Dylan Thomas raged against the dying light, but then drank himself into oblivion, so it’s hard to know if his real goal wasn’t just stiffing the pub out of huge bar tab. Suicide seems like a prettier death than starvation at any rate. But it’s still too early in the collapse, no need for death now when there will be so much death so very soon.

    Is that resignation or surrender? Does it matter? Move forward, enjoy the sunset, marvel at the moon, laugh at the antics of the cats. The richest country in the world, with people starving and denied medical care will not be the last to turn out the lights. The dirt poor buggers with nothing to live for will outlive us all because all they’ve known is suffering and want. It won’t matter to them when money becomes meaningless and food is scarce because that reality is theirs right now. They don’t think about the future for the now is all that concerns them. The future is a luxury item. We’re going to lose that and be forced to live in the now. That won’t be easy. Try to be kind.

  • http://www.mysticmamma.com/expect-to-be-a-revolutionary

    “If the angels could have sat you down for a chat when you were on the way in to this life (among some other comments about love, fear, and your glory), they might have said this: “Now, my dear, a little context: you are entering into a transitional time.
    The past: A world led, designed and defined by men.
    The future: A world led, designed and defined by women and men.
    The present: The transition. Yes, we’ve put you on the transition team.”

    What’s so tricky to understand, is that as a woman of this transitional time, what is inside of you will be very different from what is outside of you. What you have to bring into the world will be very different from what you see before you as the status quo of the world. Yet what you have to bring forth is not crazy or wrong. In fact, it’s just what the world needs. It’s as if the world is all purple and you — and your sisters — are going to bring in the yellow. Or as if it’s blue and you are going to bring in the red.

    That means that whether you signed up for it or not, you will be a revolutionary. You will be a revolutionary whether you love that idea or whether you’d prefer to just do your thing quietly – to be a teacher, a nurse, a doctor, a businesswoman, an artist, a mom, a grandmother, a volunteer, an entrepreneur. You will be a revolutionary because any woman who is being authentic in her work will bring forth ideas and ways of working that run counter to the status quo of her company, industry, community – a status quo defined by masculine values and masculine ways of working.

    So if you ever start to doubt or hold back or silence yourself because the questions you have, the ideas in your mind, or the way you work are so different from the status quo, remember that difference is exactly what is meant to be. You are here to bring forth a different way. It’s the hard – and thrilling – work you get to do this time around. It’s the ‘women’s work’ of our particular moment in history. You don’t have do the whole work, but you are asked to do the slice of that work that has been given to you.

    Now, before you exclaim that you just don’t know what that slice is, or panic because you don’t have time or bandwidth for anything extra, let’s remember: this isn’t work that takes additional time. This is work about how you live each moment of your life. And this isn’t work you have to go find or discover. It’s the work that is right in front of you, in the ways you feel called to speak, to act, to reinvent, to heal – in the imperfect, messy situations you find yourself in right now. Your piece of the work is already whispering to you – if not talking to you loudly yet. It’s the ideas in your mind and heart right now.

    You are only asked to not stop up those things in you that most want to be expressed. If you let them flow forth, you will have done your revolutionary work, and you will have done it beautifully. You don’t need to do it alone, though sometimes you might feel like you are alone. You walk on this path with a world of women who are surviving on the rocky ground of this world while also changing it to a richer, healthier soil. If you look for it, you will start to see all around you this shared path of the women in your midst, each working to bring forth a different way to some aspect of the world.

    Know this: you are blessed in this work. Every step of the path you walk in this work has been blessed and blessed and blessed again before you traverse it. The angels are giddy, for they love love, and they can see the world that you are enabling to come into being.”

  • @ Gail

    Erm, I think you mean ‘evolutionary theory’, not ‘evolutionary law’, and I think you have been reading too much Dawkins and not enough Margolis.
    No single species could have produced this glorious biodiversity on its own, it’s been a co-operative effort, from the start. Your own body is a co-operative effort. If all the cells that have come from many different sources began competing, you’d be in trouble. That’s possibly what happens in some forms of disease.

    According to science, as I understand it, the scientists tell us Nature doesn’t intend anything, that’s you, Gail, projecting your own anthropomorphic fantasy onto a creation of your own imagination, which is exactly what you accuse the people who are into religion of doing, is it not ? seamlessly substitute ‘God’ for ‘Nature’, see what I mean ?

    The idea that the genes, the chromosomes,little bundles of chemistry, are in charge, and that the Universe has spent billions of years so that these genes can trash this planet, springs from W. D. Hamilton.

    Perhaps he is correct, but perhaps he is not. Personally, I think he, George Price, and Dawkins, have got the whole thing upside down, but let’s not hijack the thread, eh, just to say, why should we favour his rather dotty reductionist theory over the theory that the Universe has spent billions of years producing our consciousness, so that we could, if we had wanted to, been wise enough not to have trashed the planet ?

    —————————————————–

    Off topic, but interesting. So no banking, business, legal, or diplomatic communication of any kind, on the internet is secure. ALL encrypted data has been cracked by NSA and GCHQ.

    So that’s really the end of the internet economy, isn’t it ? For one example, no multi-national corporation can possibly transmit its confidential commercial information across the internet unless it knows that it is secure. For one thing, it has a legal obligation to ensure confidentiality.

    That’s all just gone up in smoke… poof..

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/05/nsa-gchq-encryption-codes-security

  • Resignation is the terminus of despair. Surrender is subordination in recognition of limits. Both are based on thwarted expectations. When actions are performed with rational anticipation, but without expectations, there is neither elation nor dejection at the results: there is neither room for resignation nor despair.

    As people approach their own demise, life review is crucial.

    The review should go into anticipation, the rational basis for action. Approaching demise, the anticipation should be about how to minimise the impact of that event on others.

    the ego is only one small aspect of who we are.

    The “I” is as real as the water in a mirage. It underpins all the other constructs that together constitute the mind. The “we” is one of those construct.

    Thus, it is now time to stop investing 90 percent of our energy in logistical preparation and 10 percent in emotional and spiritual preparation—if we have time and if we feel like it. In fact, these proportions should be reversed.

    Actually 100% should go to the logistics, with actions based on anticipation, and without expectations. Logic in logistics.

    There is enormous work to be done emotionally and spiritually in preparing for what appears to be our certain demise.

    There are no short cuts, but for those who seek simplicity, Islam has the answer: complete submission to the will of Allah.

    we should not be railing and raging against

    Attachment comes in two forms: attraction and aversion.

    the encrusted filth of civilization that pollutes and paralyzes our souls

    Firstly, there is no soul (“Sabbe dhamma anatta”). Secondly filth cannot encrust that which does not exist.

  • @ Anomalous

    Thanks, so beautiful, I think we are the weeping fish..

    @ Robin Datta

    Erm, impossible to tell whether you actually mean something or not, Robin.

    Please clarify, as a Moslem, one is bound to submit to the Will of Allah, which has its equivalent, of course, in the Christian Lord’s Prayer, ‘Thy Will Be Done’, and both these religions insist upon the existence of a soul.

    Then you switch, and next you tell us that there is no such thing as a soul… Is it that you are confused, or how exactly do you explain this contradiction ?

    You see, my impression is, that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You cobble together bits and pieces from various religious texts and sources, and try to give the impression of wisdom, but it’s really smoke and mirrors. Or am I misjudging you ?

    @ CatCampion

    Sweet.

    Seems this is another non-secular thread… Fwiw, this is where I am at.. call it spiritual, but you see, this is real empirical experience, as real as tasting food, and feeling the cold wind… it’s nothing to do with mental thinking or intellectual analysis or adhering to doctrines or anything like that. It’s a way of being alive in your body. What is it that’s alive in the body ? That’s what I call my ‘soul’. It’s not the same thing as the ‘me’ or the ‘ego’ or the ‘self’.

    When this happens, there is no doubt or uncertainty, you don’t think ‘maybe it’s my brain playing tricks on me’. It happens because of precise practices that you repeat and train yourself to do and gain mastery over, and this is what you discover. Absolutely amazing. Most scientists won’t listen, because it doesn’t fit their paradigm, nor will the materialists, because it doesn’t fit their world view, but there is plenty of research going on, especially in China. But with NTE, we’re out of time, and it doesn’t matter HOW it works, it just does, so I use it and share what I’ve found.

    The spiritual side of Sinew Metamorphosis is simply amazing. In Zen terms, it helps you to see your Original Face. What is your Original Face? It’s your face before you were born, before the stars were born, before the galaxy was born. In other words, when you see your Original Face, you catch a glimpse of timeless, cosmic reality. I will say that this is one of the most beautiful and indescribable experiences I’ve ever had.

    http://flowingzen.com/4860/sinew-metamorphosis-qigong/

  • Thanks, CatCampion. It’s about the music inside you…which doesn’t have to conform to the now or the what was. My interpretation of what you say: Women lead. Art leads. Third World leads.

  • Never forget, no matter how bad things are, they can always get worse.

    Nice essay, BTW. Set the tone for a great thread. Seems the only sanity I can find any more is right here. Dignity too, there’s dignity here, a refuge.

  • Carolyn,
    Are you serious when you say people tell you they lost their ego? I find this incomprehensible.
    68 years I have been living on the earth and never heard anyone say such a thing.
    Would that be in line with hearing one say that they lost their elbow?
    Reta

  • I’ve seen incredible insanity for a long time…said what I could…whatever….

    At least we have a soundtrack 😉 A golden oldie, golden goodie:

  • Preaching to the choir or selling a new book? Both will mean nothing if your audience doesn’t read it. Most are too preoccupied with just day to day existance. A new book is not in their budget. And even if you sell 1,000,000 copies, that leaves 6,999,000,000+ who will not read it or even know of it’s existence. But you will be that much wealthier…

  • The concert is over, but it is still too early to go home. So we hang around and extend the connection, the conversation. We are here with each other, comforting each other, we don’t want to leave the party of life to die alone in the scary night. Until the end, we are alive. After the end, we won’t know we were alive. Feel it now, be it now, love it now. Never simply give up and give victory to evil. Never submit to evil. With natural nobility fight evil all the way to the grave. Any other course is despicable. Live vibrantly and infuriate evil. Shine and disturb the dark.

  • Well, I am having a real dark night of the soul, and it isn’t even three am yet. This wonderful essay from Carolyn, several encounters today, CatCampion’s quoted piece, and these words from log spirit, just spoke directly to me. Powerful words. Please continue to be wise with them, people, you never know their effects. Well, the greats can see the effects and consequences set into motion by their every action and word, but it is a rare quality. We’re talking Jesus or MLK Jr.

    Shine and disturb the dark.

  • Suzanne says:…Anthropocentrism is wicked because it willfully violates ~ with its assertion of human supremacy and domination ~ the wholeness and sacredness of Nature, and of the jurisdiction of the Earth which surpasses all human laws…..

    Gail says:…According to evolutionary law, anthropocentric is exactly what we are supposed to be. Every single species exists in competition with others to reproduce its own genes, that IS the wholeness and sacredness of Nature, that is what created the glorious biodiversity on Earth in the first place. So it could be said that we’re just really, really good at what Nature intended, because we’ve out-competed most every other species. It remains to be seen (and we won’t be here to see it) which bacteria or fungus out-competes us to ultimately “win”.

    Folks see good and wicked because
    Of their anthropocentrism “flaws”;
    But with nature, it’s jaws
    And red teeth and claws,
    And indifference to our human laws.
    ==

    wildwoman says: Idle curiosity, but there are people here who live on the West coast or in the Pacific…..are any of you thinking of moving?

    Though the west coast is where I reside,
    I’m not worried about getting fried:
    What makes people dead
    Is going to spread,
    And there’s nowhere to run or to hide.

  • Gail said – So it could be said that we’re just really, really good at what Nature intended

    Fukushima was hatched by corporate board scum,
    They created that cesium and put it in your lung,
    So, no, we really, really can’t blame Nature for this one.

  • My, oh my, oh my. What a maudlin bunch of sentimental bullshit this is. You people sound as if the cat just died and you have staged a cute little wake to mollify the children before you go down to the SPCA tomorrow to get a new one.

    Ms. Baker, I remember reading your blog not too many years ago when you viciously attacked people sounding the alarm that the crisis upon us is far worse than anyone could imagine – you called them hysterical and deleted their posts. Now you have found a more fashionable (and lucrative?) parade to jump in front of and suddenly you are a leader in this area of thought complete with hastily written tome to hawk to pad your wallet … for what, pray tell dost thou need further lucre if we are all going to die in a month or two when Fukishima goes critical?? An escape to New Zealand whilst the rest of us brainless book-buyers die of radiation sickness?

    Goodness gracious me, what mawkish, sentimental hypocrisy is this? I haven’t had to make this much effort to keep my supper down since the religionist circle jerk squirting forth brainless, sticky goo in response to OzMan’s essay.

    Take Logspirit for instance: ”We are here with each other, comforting each other, we don’t want to leave the party of life to die alone in the scary night. … Feel it now, be it now, love it now.” … As long as you are a bloody vegan – it was only days ago this hypocrite wouldn’t acknowledge my personal, intimate knowledge of my own body after 50+ years that meat is the best thing for my health and now it’s all ”comforting each other and love??? It sure as hell wasn’t love coming out when you were shitting on me about my diet.

    ”Do not go gentle into that good night my fat, saggy ass!! Most of the pompous weepy sentimentalists gushing goodly here are going to die horrible, painful shrieking deaths whether it is starvation, dehydration, in these hypothetical FEMA death camps, raped to death, beaten and hacked to death, eaten alive by feral dogs or feral humans or maybe not with a bang but a whimper. Suicide is NOT the leading cause of death during a famine – starvation is.

    ”If we are going out, let’s go out looking good. Depressed? …I am too busy making sure my tux is pressed and my shoes shined. I don’t think so, buz painter. Your fresh tux will be fouled with the shit running down your legs as you beg for mercy or cry for mommy or pray for death or fight off that dog or zombie at your throat.

    For fuck sakes, people, this is the DEATH OF A BIOSPHERE we are talking about not a Victorian tea party chatting about the latest “most unfortunate” slaughter of wogs in the distant Empire. If Fukishima goes critical you will writhe in agony as your shit and vomit fill with blood and you are cooked from the inside out. You are not going to dress in your finest frock, lie down on your bed and go out looking good – you will be crumpled on the bathroom floor, your gown soaked in your own vomit, your head dangling in the toilet bowl.

    This insipid gushing is just another round on the denial carousel and you are buying Ms. Baker’s commercial emotional sleight-of-hand on human-caused globe-girdling genocide as if it was the latest fad trinket from down at the Crystals and Magic shop. The only time you people agree on anything is when it is the most outlandish emotional goop possible to conjure. Otherwise you are at each others throats over the most trivial differences.

    No wonder the Environmental movement or the Activist movement never made any difference and never will – you are the Hispanics rioting against the Blacks and burning your own ghettos whilst the rich bankers on Snob Hill dine on fois gras and roast pheasant they extracted from your life-essence in the form of monetary profit.

    That is exactly the plan: watch the proletariat dupes fight amongst themselves over scraps while they take everything they can – now tallied at the entire biosphere. Then we sit back here at NBL and have a garden party with a bit of croquet, crumpets and tea whilst one of our own (I don’t know the HTML tags for sneering derision) sells us a line of tear-jerking semantic nonsense trying to distinguish between resignation and surrender as a promotion for her latest bullshit book. (I have tried to read your books, Ms Baker, and they make me choke) She’s telling you to bend over and take it up the ass without lubricant and a smile on your face because it is “surrender” not “resignation.” Oy fucking vey!

    In battle whether you resign or surrender you still face a grisly fate. You people are happy to get sucked into a pre-publication bunch of bullshit over a trivial semantic distinction while waiting for your children to fry and you respond with POETRY and out-pourings of your ersatz LOVE??

    ”Carolyn raises good questions: “What is left for me to do here? How do I most wisely use the time I have left? What is my work in these remaining years? What gifts do I have that I must give? What brings meaning to the lives of people around me? What brings meaning to me?”

    Sure, great questions and Ms. Baker’s answer for herself is to publish another worthless fucking book??? Haven’t there been enough fucking books? Ms Baker, I don’t see you giving this one away in some grand gesture while facing the dark maw of DEATH. I don’t need to buy her book or read her narcissistic self-indulgence to know these are and always have been the important questions of life. If this is new to any of you what the fuck have you been doing with your lives?

    ”The Council of All Beings, co-created by Joanna Macy and John Seed my fat saggy ass AGAIN. We haven’t been part of nature for a million years. This is just more arrogant, self-serving anthropocentrism in service of insipid, pathetic denial. It’s like prayer – a way of doing fuck-all nothing about the problem while suckering everyone into believing you are doing something. Our Council of Our Beings is out killing the other beings … or haven’t you noticed. Isn’t that what the discussion of NTE is about or am I mistaken and it is just a soppy, tearful tea-party?

    The Council of All Beings created deep fellowship and resolve for activism, but now I sense we need a kind of fellowship that nourishes soulful courage to give our gifts and maintain sanity even amidst insanity and breakdown. What? What? What? WHAT? Deep fellowship? The fellowship you people show while you smilingly stab each other in the back over minor differences in perception and expression? The resolve for activism which has proved so effective over the years we are now facing extinction?

    Soulful courage? This woman is trying to sell you a book and you are taking it right up your schmaltzy wazoos of denial and puking out a syrupy, candy floss gloss over the DEATH of an ENTIRE planetary biosphere??? Maintain sanity? This is maintaining sanity? You people have walked through a Kafka novel, turned right in a Pinter play and are having tea with Roger Rabbit in Toon Town. I don’t see most of you maintaining any sanity. Getting sucked into the denial train with some soppy tea-tray of commercial emotionality, yes … but sanity? Nope, don’t think so. Taking on an emotional hoodwink maybe, but I don’t recognize this gushing, cornball discussion as sanity.

    I am going now to repeatedly dunk my head in a bucket of cold water until I can see straight again after this dose of ULTIMATE DOPE – IUM; I suggest you all do the same. Or, no … wait, better yet, get out those plastic cards and pre-order now!!! Electronic brains are waiting to take your order. Get one for your family and friends. No waiting. Buy two. Buy ten. Ms Baker needs a plane ticket NOW!

  • “And, in the end
    The love you take
    is equal to the love you make.”

    ― Paul McCartney, The Beatles Illustrated Lyrics

  • Well, I disagree with most of this essay. I’ve been trying to imagine how I’d react to coming to the conclusion of near term human extinction. Carolyn thinks giving up is cowardly and delusional even though she appears to believe in near term human extinction. But I find it difficult to see how it matters what anyone does, in the face of near term human extinction (indeed, the extinction of most life). “… so what I eat or drink or smoke or do or don’t do doesn’t matter” seems a not unreasonable position to me.

    I don’t think anyone can foretell the future so I haven’t yet concluded that near term human extinction is guaranteed. Consequently, spending 90% of my time on physical preparations for a very uncertain future seems like a much, much better use of my time that spending 90% on emotional and spiritual preparation for the end. The latter seems like giving up, to me.

  • Thanatos Sunburn,

    Hmm. I wouldn’t have put it quite like that but a lot of good points there.

  • Guy wrote that this essay echoes an essay of his from last year. I disagree. It is a distortion of Guy’s essay, which is much more realistic and much easier to accept whatever one’s opinion of our future.

  • It has taken 69 years for the nuclear material to get back to the USA from Japan. If not for the USA Japan would not have been running so much nuclear power plants. Sounds crass, but maybe it is time to take the medicine.

    But all nationalism aside, get the fuck out of the USA. It is too late for the Northern Hemisphere.

    Cheery news eh?

  • I, like everyone here, don’t get it. It’s way too complicated for easy statements, there’s nowhere to go to avoid all these consequences, and there aren’t any easy answers. What B9K9 says is, like Carolyn, missing a LOT of details and seems like just more happy talk. None of this matters.

    Fukushima may just do us all in before very long – it’s getting worse by the day and all that radiation is spreading all over the globe (not just the northern hemisphere). Yesterday a 600 ton crane fell over by Reactor 3, they’re discovering more leaks all over the place, thousands of tons of radioactive crap is pouring directly into the Pacific all the time, they don’t know where exactly the corium is from the crippled reactor(s) now that it’s melted into the ground, their “ice-wall” idea is ridiculous (as BtD aptly points out) and on and on.

    Meanwhile the trees (and other vegetation) keep absorbing our pollution and rotting from the inside, the aquifers are drying up, the weather continues to get weirder, (new and the usual) volcanoes are erupting and earthquakes are increasing around the globe, the ocean is acidifying and the arctic (and Antarctic and Greenland) continues to melt away, new diseases are on the rise, here in America (as I guess in most other countries) our infrastructure continues to crumble and decay from lack of maintenance, political and religious turmoil continues apace, continuous war is the new direction, everyone is being watched and spied on, resources (like food, oil and gas) are increasing in price for a lot of reasons, unemployment hasn’t gone away, Earth’s magnetic protection is weakening while the Sun continues to emit giant plumes of radiation plasma (making it only a matter of time before we experience a problem from that sector), and, though I could go on for hours listing all the problems I’ve found from bacterial to space weather, social collapse, economic failure, and the rest – it still wouldn’t be enough to describe how dire our situation is.

    Everyone continues to think that things will just go on and on, with maybe a gradual decline here or there. Almost no one sees the very real possibility of a complete “phase-change,” tipping point or abrupt change to the downside as a result of the interaction of all the above stresses and forces at work.

    Nobody (including me) has any idea how soon this will happen, but it seems irreversible and bound to happen before too much longer. Surely humanity can’t do anything but make it worse, what with our continuing population increase, resource extraction and all the other influences stemming from our numbers and “civilization.”

    I’ve given up trying to influence the general public, but we here should realize that none of us has any real idea of how tenuous our very existence is at this time – meaning that it’s most likely worse than we can imagine.

    So we’re back to “keep on keepin’ on” until we can’t. Just don’t think our uninformed opinions here (including my own) do any of this justice. It’s WAY worse and there aren’t any human answers to our collective problems now.

    rant over, thanks for your thoughts

  • Yo, Ozman! You got a spare bedroom or two? Or maybe a piece of land I can park a double-wide on? I’ve been wondering which way to turn and bar-b-qued koala meat on a stick sounds great! But you’re right, pal, our goose is in the oven.

    Thanatos: What a mean spirited, miserable (no more pigs to torture), boring, petty-minded twit you can be. You’re definitely at your best when you’re shitting on people. We don’t need you to tell us how bad things are, we know. And we definitely don’t need you to come stomping in to beat us with your, I’ve got such a big brain stick.

  • Geez. Emo.

    Reality ain’t dramatic at all. Rocks, hailstorms, tsunamies, hurricanes, volcanic eruptions, floods and droughts are all not dramatic whatsoever. Humans may die, and indeed billions will die, imho likely in 1st half of this century, as a result of those tectonic, weather and climate events – and those who survive can surely dramatize the death of less lucky. But, again, existing world itself – from rocks to the deepest of oceans, with all its events and dynamics, – by itself is not dramatic whatsoever.

    World, – the sum of rocks, metals, waters, air and organisms, – have no “intention” to kill humans, or to make our lives miserable. What exists is increasing amount and scope of dangers, nothing else. Expected die-out of majority of now-alive humans is only expected because it’s possible to estimate that those unlucky folks won’t be able and/or willing to do proper risk management and preparation to have high odds to survive. This means, there is no inevitability to personal survival. This means, there is no “fate” to die. This means, Carolyn Baker’s piece here – is nothing else than a sophisticated form of preparing her own suicide.

    Because if one wants to live, there are ways to live. Find places which won’t be hit by climate change as much as most of the world will be. I did it. Find cultures which are dozens or hundreds times more sustainable than modern industrial civilization. I did it. Find humans who are both willing and able to do all it takes to become separated from modern industrial civilization, and start building their own ways of living. I did it. Find methods and means to live in a “barely habitable” climate and ecosystems. I did it (i need to do much more of it yet, though). Most importantly, find or design social relations system which would allow regional (quite small) self-sufficient forms of human civilization to keep going despite incoming thermal maximum and biosphere chaos. This one, i didn’t, yet, but am trying to do.

    Humans, ms. Baker, are tough things to get rid of completely, don’t you underestimate that, please. But most importantly, please, please, do have some honor to your own ancestors. You think it was easy for all of them? Certainly not. Some of your ancestors fought for their lives with everything but last drop of their blood. Some were a hair-thin distance away from getting killed. Many spent decades in hard labour. All the suffering and effort and risks thousands of generations of your ancestors were taking – was needed for YOU to be born. Now do me a favor and try to survive a bit better than “oh we just need to drop tears which we held until now”, ok?

    Good luck to all of us.

  • Perhaps instead of “nature’s intent” I should have chosen a different word, maybe “entropy”? In any event it’s a semantic quibble like that between “surrender” and “resignation”. As aptly expressed by Mr. T. Sunbum, it all amounts to elaborate bargaining that won’t mean much when the approaching tsunami of disasters described by Tom actually hits our beach of doom.

    I would say as far as Fukushima goes, last I heard, it was conceived, designed, approved, and built by humans…same as all the other nuclear power plants, weapons, and various other destructive projects from pyramids to drones. So no, you can’t “blame” nature for that – unless you are going to accept that those humans responsible are part of nature. In other words, it’s only if you believe that our species is somehow unique and outside of nature that you can blame individual CEO’s for what our society – the one we created and reside within – has wrought.

    Maybe, Buz Painter, your hope for the orchard you planted is why I don’t accept that there is any spiritual aspect to existence other than the one we create with neurons and synapses in our brains – because I am pretty sure the trees are NOT going to outlive us. I’d feel a lot better if I did, but we are killing them with our pollution. When industrial civ crashes and the other fuels run out or become impossible to mine, frack or otherwise extract , the air will clear of ozone, but then we’ll burn whatever trees are left. See, if you haven’t: http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2013/01/29/whispers-from-the-ghosting-trees/

  • If one believes that finding our inner universe is ‘bargaining’ then they will just “get up and do it again, amen”. One thing with which I do agree: In the end we are all alone.

    [My wife is vocally expressing an interest in suicide. Do I attempt to talk her out of it or do I assist?]

  • Wow, heavy posts this past 24 hours.

    I agree that this “lovey-dovey” stuff doesn’t grab me at all – I guess my life of privilege was not quite up to the standards of some here! I’ve often thought that Peace, Love and Understanding is just fine for those with means. If you are hungry, there’s not much time for that stuff.

    I’m sure we could have our own little war over some of the finer points of all this. I don’t know sometimes if I’m all in for Kirk Hamilton or B9K9. It’s all very confusing.

  • v. sur·ren·der
    v.tr.
    1. To relinquish possession or control of to another because of demand or compulsion.
    2. To give up in favor of another.
    3. To give up or give back (something that has been granted): surrender a contractual right.
    4. To give up or abandon: surrender all hope.
    5. To give over or resign (oneself) to something, as to an emotion: surrendered himself to grief.
    6. Law To restore (an estate, for example), especially to give up (a lease) before expiration of the term.
    v.intr.
    To give oneself up, as to an enemy.

    re·sign (r-zn)
    v. re·signed, re·sign·ing, re·signs
    v.tr.
    1. To submit (oneself) passively; accept as inevitable: I resigned myself to a long wait in line.
    2. To give up (a position, for example), especially by formal notification.
    3. To relinquish (a privilege, right, or claim). See Synonyms at relinquish.

    You can resign yourself to the inevitability of extinction and still not surrender. I perceive that to be Guy’s position.

    You can resign yourself to extinction and surrender – suicide, hedonism etc. or just not protesting or resisting

    You can surrender (not resist) because you have not resigned yourself to extinction and therefore want to stay out of FEMA camps

    You not resign to extinction and therefore refuse to surrender because you think extinction can be prevented.

    Carolyn, I really think you should consult a dictionary before you base an essay on the meanings you assign to words.

  • Kathy Cassandra says:
    You can resign yourself to the inevitability of extinction and still not surrender. I perceive that to be Guy’s position.
    You can resign yourself to extinction and surrender – suicide, hedonism etc. or just not protesting or resisting
    You can surrender (not resist) because you have not resigned yourself to extinction and therefore want to stay out of FEMA camps
    You not resign to extinction and therefore refuse to surrender because you think extinction can be prevented.

    Brilliant!
    ==

    buz painter says: ‘bargaining’

    This is the best overview:
    http://www.ekrfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/5-Stages-Chart-2013_LD3.jpg

    “This is a natural reaction of those who are dying. It’s an attempt to postpone what is inevitable. We often see the same sort of behaviour happening when people are facing change.”
    http://www.change-management-coach.com/kubler-ross.html

    “The normal reaction to feelings of helplessness and vulnerability is often a need to regain control”
    http://psychcentral.com/lib/the-5-stages-of-loss-and-grief/000617

    “The third stage involves the hope that the individual can somehow postpone or delay death.”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCbler-Ross_model

    “Bargaining rarely provides a sustainable solution, especially if it’s a matter of life or death.”
    http://www.businessballs.com/elisabeth_kubler_ross_five_stages_of_grief.htm
    ==

    Thanatos Sunbum says: a mouthful

    Some advice for when people scoff,
    And you fall in depression’s trough:
    Optimistically,
    The truth sets you free,
    But first it will piss you off.

  • Well, Kathy, it appears we’re inching ever closer to having a chance to apply real-world examples to your list of clarifications.

    From a doomer contest point-of-view, in terms of peak oil, habitat destruction, population overshoot, etc, it looks like it’s gonna be peak oil for the “win”.

    Of course, it’s not really the physical aspect of peak oil that’s at issue right now. Rather, it’s the proxy by which it’s measured; some call it the US dollar, whereas I prefer either Benny Fun Bux, or just “Bucky” for short.

    Syria is all about whether or nor Bucky will prevail. If Bucky fails in Syria, then the world’s problems will soon become domesticated, in that we will no longer be able to print up little green pieces of paper in which to exchange for very real physical assets.

    On the other hand, if Bucky is able to pick up another regional victory in Syria to shore up its phantom reserves, then it’s well positioned to take out the final piece of the puzzle, namely Iran.

    If the USA can manage to extend Bucky’s leverage over the last remaining economically viable fossil fuels, then my guess is we’d have at least another 20+ years to party.

    Fuke might get us, weather change might accelerate, but the game right here at this very moment in time is all about peak oil. Go Bucky, go!

  • Cowgirl Apocalypse Haiku #39

    Sweet, soft dignity;
    gentle gaze, tail-swishing love.
    Always. Good dog, Niles.

  • @ Cat Campian: Thanks for your inspired and inspiring words, which I’m saving as a remedy for dark, doubtful times.

    @Grant S: “The future is a luxury item…” LOVE that!

    B9K9: “doomer contest:” You’re one twisted dog!

  • If you follow our fearless leader in his many endeavors you may have seen this at transition voice:

    http://transitionvoice.com/2013/08/rural-population-not-needed-for-farming-but-for-cannon-fodder/

    USDA: Rural population needed not for farming but for cannon fodder

    Why do we need more farmers? What is the driving force behind U.S. Department of Agriculture policy? In an infuriating epiphany I have yet to metabolize, I found out last Wednesday in a private policy-generation meeting with Virginia Democratic gubernatorial candidate Terry McAuliffe. I did and still do consider it a distinct honor for his staff to invite me as one of the 25 dignitaries in Virginia agriculture for this think-tank session in Richmond. It was a who’s who of Virginia agriculture: Farm Bureau, Va. Agribusiness Council, Va. Forestry Association, Va. Poultry Federation, Va. Cattlemen’s Association., deans from Virginia Tech and Virginia State — you get the picture. It was the first meeting of this kind I’ve ever attended that offered no water. The only thing to drink were soft drinks. Lunch was served in styrofoam clam shells — Lay’s potato chips, sandwiches, potato salad and chocolate chip cookie. It didn’t look very safe to me, so I didn’t partake. But I’d have liked a drink of water. In another circumstance, I might eat this stuff, but with these folks, felt it important to make a point. Why do they all assume nobody wants water, nobody cares about styrofoam, everybody wants potato chips and we all want industrial meat-like slabs on white bread? But I digress. The big surprise occurred a few minutes into the meeting: U.S. Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack walked in. He was in Terry McAuliffe love-in mode. And here is what he told us: in 2012, for the first time ever — rural America lost population in real numbers — not as a percentage but in real numbers. It’s down to 16 percent of total population. I’m sitting there thinking he’s going to say that number needs to go up so we have more people to love and steward the landscape. More people to care for earthworms. More people to grow food and fiber. Are you ready for the shoe to drop? The epiphany? What could the U.S. Secretary of Agriculture, at the highest strategic planning sessions of our land, be challenged by other leaders to change this figure, to get more people in rural America, to encourage farming and help more farms get started? What could be the driving reason to have more farmers? Why does he go to bed at night trying to figure out how to increase farmers? How do the President and other cabinet members view Vilsack’s role as the nation’s farming czar? What could be the most important contribution that increasing farmers could offer to the nation? Better food? Better soil development? Better care for animals? Better care for plants? Are you ready? Here’s his answer: although rural America only has 16 percent of the population, it gives 40 percent of the personnel to the military. Say what? You mean when it’s all said and done, at the end of the day, the bottom line — you know all the cliches — the whole reason for increasing farms is to provide cannon fodder for American imperial might. He said rural kids grow up with a sense of wanting to give something back, and if we lose that value system, we’ll lose our military might. So folks, it all boils down to American military muscle. It’s not about food, healing the land, stewarding precious soil and resources; it’s all about making sure we keep a steady stream of youngsters going into the military. This puts an amazing twist on things. You see, I think we should have many more farmers, and have spent a lifetime trying to encourage, empower, and educate young people to go into farming. It never occurred to me that this agenda was the key to American military power.

    (there’s more)

  • The Cult
    Album: Love
    Song: Revolution
    1985

    •••Pictures of never ending dreams
    I can’t see what these images mean
    Locked inside me, can’t set the rainbows free
    Like perishing flowers they sag and twist and die

    There’s a revolution
    There’s a revolution, yeah
    There’s a revolution
    There’s a revolution

    Sorrow, what does revolution mean to you?
    To say today’s like wishing in the wind
    All my beautiful friends they’ve all gone away
    Like the waves they flow and ebb and die

  • Eckart Tolle wrote a book, The Power Of Now. He was poor as a church mouse when he wrote it. It went on to help lots of people, including me, and made a comfortable living for him. And that’s good. I’m happy for his success. I highly recommend everyone buy or borrow a copy.

    The best part of this book, the part which provided me the most powerful AH-HA moment of my life, was his teaching on the Pain Body. If only I had known sooner!

    Prior to understanding the Pain Body, I would let the Pain Body totally possess me to the extent that I thought it was me. Eckhart’s teaching helped me dissolve most of it away. I’m free! Well, sometimes other people’s pain bodies can beat me down pretty bad but never as bad as before.

    If you’re interested in learning more, here’s a snippet:

  • http://poetrypoliticscollapse.blogspot.com/2013/08/tragic-wisdom-from-introduction-to-my.html

    Excerpt:

    Tragic Wisdom

    Greek tragedy is a kind of scripture that teaches us by showing, not telling, what we need to know. I call it a scripture because it is a religious discourse about human beings and their relationships to the divine realm of abundance and to the material world of scarcity. But it is also drama, a scripted matrix of interpersonal words and actions, as human and social as any conversation in the audience. Like all drama, tragedy is about individuals, but it also speaks to public life – Thebes and Athens and Corinth are not just crowded places but living societies with their own crises, wounds, and needs. Oedipus himself is a gifted man, endowed with an intellectual power that exposes him to special dangers. But he is also the Everyman that Freud made him. Though most people are spared the crimes of patricide and incest, and though psychoanalysis may have been wrong to posit a repressed yearning for them in every heart, it remains permanently true that nobody is in complete control of his own destiny. Just as we, the audience, can read the very script which the characters must live out, so the gods can read the fates which we must live out. Tragedy puts us (for once!) in the divine position of the invulnerable spectator, free to experience a safe terror as we identify with the endangered hero; free to feel a guarded pity for him insofar as we enjoy our blessed distance from his ruin.

    Austere as it is, the art of Sophocles comes closer to life than any treatise on ethics could. It is free of precepts and instruction; within it, only experience teaches.

    For the rest of the article, see:
    http://poetrypoliticscollapse.blogspot.com/2013/08/tragic-wisdom-from-introduction-to-my.html

  • @ Thanatos sunburn

    ….wouldn’t acknowledge my personal, intimate knowledge of my own body after 50+ years that meat is the best thing for my health and now it’s all ”comforting each other and love??? It sure as hell wasn’t love coming out when you were shitting on me about my diet.

    Hahahaha, so you’re all upset and peeved because we didn’t pay attention to detail of your personal diet, that you are a full-on heavy duty certified MEAT EATer, and now you’re thumping the table with your fists in prima donna movie star mode,because you’re not getting enough LOVE. Oh dear. Poor Thanatos. What are you, an effing girlie ? Let me give you a cuddle, have a sniff of my arm pit….

    @ F. Tnioli

    Find places which won’t be hit by climate change as much as most of the world will be. I did it. Find cultures which are dozens or hundreds times more sustainable than modern industrial civilization. I did it. Find humans who are both willing and able to do all it takes to become separated from modern industrial civilization, and start building their own ways of living. I did it. Find methods and means to live in a “barely habitable” climate and ecosystems. I did it (i need to do much more of it yet, though). Most importantly, find or design social relations system which would allow regional (quite small) self-sufficient forms of human civilization to keep going despite incoming thermal maximum and biosphere chaos. This one, i didn’t, yet, but am trying to do.

    Not saying you should not try, but you don’t know YET, if you did. You’re counting your chickens before they have hatched…

  • No US hurricanes this year. How strange.

    The US drought appears to be no worse than last year (better?).

    Money-printing seems to be as successful as ever in maintaining status quo (in the short term).

    Despite horrifically high unemployment rates, there has been no eruption of European youth.

    Although ‘the Titanic hit the iceberg’ a while ago and has gaping holes, it is not sinking anything like as quickly as we thought it would. We may have several more years of death-by-a-thousand-cuts.

  • I just read a very disturbing, but insightful article. We keep churning our way to Extinction each day as the Industrial (and unsustainable) Economy pushes us to our final doom. You can read the article here… just posted a little over a week ago. I am seeing changes in my environment transform before my very eyes. Things are happening far faster than TPTB want us to believe….

    http://www.oceansidestar.com/news/web-of-life-unravelling-wildlife-biologist-says-1.605499

  • @Thanatos – I found the original post hard to follow, and frankly gave up half way through, so I thank you for explaining it was basically in the service of selling a book. Once you mentioned it, I saw the link to buy the book at the bottom of the post. Your post was quite angry and bitter in parts, but it was at least easier to follow, and I found it helpful.

    @ulvfugl – sorry you were so upset about what Thanatos said, but calling someone an “effing girlie” as an insult is not cool. It is like calling someone “gay” as an insult. Since people are routinely oppressed because they are girls or gays the use of those words as insults gives power to those who would oppress girls and gays.

    I enjoyed your diversion into a discussion of evolution. I don’t agree with the idea of setting up Dawkins and Margolis in opposition to one another, but it’s nice to have someone who even understands the differences in their approach to evolution. In my experience their writings complement one another. I don’t think either of them would ascribe any meaning to life other than the playing out of interactions among the stuff of our universe (including us). Of course they are way more articulate than I am.

    Peace

  • Eckart Tolle wrote a book, The Power Of Now.

    I highly recommend everyone buy or borrow a copy.

    Kind of passé. Why not provide a link to download it? After all the Internet may be replaced by quill pens, inkwells and parchment sooner than anyone thinks – hopefully before geese, pigment berries, and sheep & goats go extinct.

    Go Bucky, go!

    AeffingMEN! (Should get me – and quite a few other NBLers – under the wire to “death by “natural causes””).

    a distinct honor for his staff to invite me as one of the 25 dignitaries in Virginia agriculture

    Not to forget that their legislature has demonstrated its foresight by resorting to the expedient of effectively banning sea-level rise by forbidding its consideration in any planning and lawmaking.

  • Looks like the wicked witch of the west doesn’t like the healing waters of freeing the ego from it’s limits. Or lack thereof. Had to smile with surrender in the end as she or in this case he screams ‘I’m meeeeelting’, in so many words. God, to see it all melt away (the encrusted filth) in surrender, that will be a feat to behold.

    To those who loved and appreciated this sharing by Carolyn, back at you and her. Beauty birthing.

  • Ulf is a POS,mentally ill, socially isolated, disturbed.
    He and Ted Kacsinsky would make fine cellmates.
    I agree that C. Baker is a huge poser.
    This blog is full of people who cannot see the truth that people are basically hurtful and mean.
    B9K9 has it right.
    There will be no peace and no justice.

  • @Tom said: “Everyone continues to think that things will just go on and on, with maybe a gradual decline here or there. Almost no one sees the very real possibility of a complete ‘phase-change,’ tipping point or abrupt change to the downside as a result of the interaction of all the above stresses and forces at work.”

    So true. Given the various predicaments you outlined in your post, I’m continually dumbfounded that people I know to be reasonably intelligent and informed, continue to bring children into this nightmare!

  • Whispers from the Ghosting Trees
    http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2013/01/29/whispers-from-the-ghosting-trees/

    Trees are dying apace in NM for sure. Nearby, folks want to import some sort of beetle to kill invasive salt cedar. Say what?, I query. Shouldn’t they leave be hardy invasive that don’t need water of care?

    “… I don’t accept that there is any spiritual aspect to existence other than the one we create with neurons and synapses in our brains…”

    But for something not to be spiritual it has to be some definable other thing. But what are our brains at the sub atomic level? Energy? How “real” is that?

    To pronounce on what is real, one has to be anchored in some uncontestable ground of reality. Where is this ground? Planet Earth? Outer space? The universe? Where is the universe located? Presumably, it must end some place. Where is that place? If we can’t define the anchoring reality–location, size, proximity to something by which it can be measured–we can’t speak about reality; only about what we perceive and how we choose to think. If that is not a spiritual stance, what is?

  • Ulf is a POS,mentally ill, socially isolated, disturbed.
    He and Ted Kacsinsky would make fine cellmates.
    I agree that C. Baker is a huge poser.

    The butcher, the Baker and the candlestick maker?

  • @ BadlandsAK You are a precious and wonderful person. Always remember that there are others on this ride with you who really care about you. Those of us who know what is happening on this Earth are very special. We are willing to fully comprehend what others are afraid to even look at. We are the strong ones who are processing it, emotionally, for all of humanity. In return we receive perspective. On the darkest day, when the sky is filled thickly with clouds, the sun is always shining above it all. Be like the Sun. Radiate your love for all sentient beings and you will be lifted so you can see the path of least suffering.

    @ ulvfugl Goal! (I think that’s how its said in real football on the other side of the pond… aka: Bingo!) And I’m pretty sure you meant that ‘gentleman’ was behaving like a wimp (some folks prefer to play hyper sensitive than to understand the obvious intention)… Anyway, here’s my response:

    Sunbum… I told you this before… Listen this time… You are not ready to gain anything from my words. Don’t read my posts. They obviously stress you out with painful raging guilt. You are obviously incapable of seeing that your toxic temper tantrums are a total embarrassment, and reveal nothing but inner sepsis. You are clearly suffering in a very ugly condition and trying to infect others with it. Look, that does not mean that I don’t have compassion for you as a fellow Homo sapiens… Simply that I realized a long time ago that some people just aren’t worth squandering my time and energy on – especially when they reject it and just want to fight. You did not earn my attention, you imposed yourself upon it like a bloodthirsty leech. You are toxic. No, I won’t let you drag me under with you. Learn how to swim or drown in your own waste and ignorance.

    For those who can benefit from my words, please consider how the addiction to flesh corrupts peace of mind, the deleterious impacts it has on the body and the environment.

    Meanwhile… sometimes a quick image can calm and re-center focus: Hold on…

  • @ wendy

    sorry you were so upset about what Thanatos said, but calling someone an “effing girlie” as an insult is not cool. It is like calling someone “gay” as an insult. Since people are routinely oppressed because they are girls or gays the use of those words as insults gives power to those who would oppress girls and gays.

    Heavens, girl, what makes you think I was upset ? If Schwarzenegger can get away with it, so can I. Apologies to all the girlies. It’s not me who is oppressing the girls or the gays or anyone else, as far as I can tell.

    I enjoyed your diversion into a discussion of evolution. I don’t agree with the idea of setting up Dawkins and Margolis in opposition to one another, but it’s nice to have someone who even understands the differences in their approach to evolution. In my experience their writings complement one another. I don’t think either of them would ascribe any meaning to life other than the playing out of interactions among the stuff of our universe (including us). Of course they are way more articulate than I am.

    I think Ernst Meyr was a far greater biologist than Dawkins, with a far broader vision and he stated that there is no conflict between Darwin and Lovelock, whereas for Dawkins, Lovelock is unacceptable, in fact EVERYTHING is unacceptable other than his hard genetic reductionism, which, to my mind, is a sort of insanity. As I mentioned, E.O. Wilson stated that Dawkins is not a scientist, he’s an author of popular books. That’s possibly slightly over stated because of the feud between them. I love biology. I loved Dawkins first book, I thought, great biologist, but he’s changed, and so have I, as I have got a deeper insight into the issues.

    As with many things, you can look at them at different levels – perspectivism – ‘truth’ at one level doesn’t mean other perspectives are ‘untrue’, you choose the one that’s most relevant and useful for your purpose. Which is most relevant and useful re us, here on this planet ? Is it the dna level or the global planetary system level ?

    If you go to the doctor with pain in you bowels, that’s the area to be focussed on. But we all know, there’s much more, you’re composed of atoms, there’s the clothes in your wardrobe, there’s the photos in your album, your pet cat, all kinds of other stuff, all of that, that makes you a complete human being, doctor doesn’t want to know, she wants the x-ray of that bit of gut to see what’s happening. That makes sense, of course, but not if we are trying to understand what a complete human being is. That’s the problem, re Dawkins. He, and those he think like him, think you can reduce ‘us’ to a mathematical formula. It’s CRAP. I don’t have the link handy, but you can read the range of views of evolutionary biologists, which is really very, very wide. Dawkins takes an extreme position, and then, rather than stick to science, has taken it upon himself to to champion aggressive neo-atheism, which is a sort of partner to neoliberalism.

    I mean, we are very familiar here with the MSM, and the fact that some news gets hyped and some never gets heard, because of who owns the media. Why do you think we hear so much about certain books by certain authors ? It’s because they are saying what TPTB want us to hear, they sell a social darwinist, fascistic view of what human beings are.

    How come we don’t hear Kropotkin’s side of the story ? How come Margolis couldn’t get a job at a premier University ?

    http://www.nature.com/scitable/blog/watching-the-detectives/peter_kropotkin_and_the_evolution

    @ puddles

    Jealous ? I think you are one of those nasty, mean, hurtful people of which you speak, and please take the trouble to spell my friend Theodore’s name correctly, if you ever happen to mention him again.

  • Paul Chefurka Says:

    I’ll heap my offering of fuel onto the fire of thanks. This is exactly what needs to be said now, Carolyn. I call it “Finding the Gift”. What gift does this awareness and acceptance bring for me? What insight, clarity, epiphany or opportunity might appear that was not there before? Surrender helped me to find my version of the gift. More than helped, it was essential. Without first surrendering, I would not even have been able to see the gift, let alone realize what it was. Thank you, Carolyn.

    I’ll offer my thanks to the heap of fuel on fire at Fukushima. I call it “Finding the Gift of Radioactive Cesium.” What insight, clarity, epiphany or opportunity might appear that was not there before? Plenty, now that everything glows in the dark! Cesium helped me find all my lost socks. More than helped, it was essential. Without first surrendering to cesium, I would not even have been able to see the gift…or through walls. It would have taken thousands of hours of costly therapy sessions at Carolyn Baker LLC, to get through my thick skull. But radiation goes right through! Thank you, Tepco and General Electric, your foresight has saved me big bucks.

  • F.Tnioli

    Interesting thoughts.

    @ Tony

    Among the disagreement, some agreement here.

    “Carolyn thinks giving up is cowardly and delusional even though she appears to believe in near term human extinction.”

    Her writing is very carefully parsed. She never unambiguously states a belief in NTE. That is what I think gets her into trouble. You are either gung ho in agreement, or clearly ambivalent, or clearly “skeptical”, like you (and me). But not being crystal clear about any of the three can open one up to the kind of savage attack seen here today.

    “But I find it difficult to see how it matters what anyone does, in the face of near term human extinction (indeed, the extinction of most life). “… so what I eat or drink or smoke or do or don’t do doesn’t matter”

    I differ here. IMO, life is only about what we experience. IMO again, people live well when they seek life, liberty and pursue happiness without depriving others of the right to the same (and bearing in mind a tension between the rights of the one as opposed to those of the collective). Any other kind of behavior is unworthy. Just my 2 cents. It has zilch to do with whether you live or die; only with whether one is a good person or not in your experience and in that of those who matter to you. And experience only happens during the time that you’re alive.

    “I don’t think anyone can foretell the future so I haven’t yet concluded that near term human extinction is guaranteed. Consequently, spending 90% of my time on physical preparations for a very uncertain future seems like a much, much better use of my time that spending 90% on emotional and spiritual preparation for the end. The latter seems like giving up, to me.”

    I’m there with you again, although maybe for different reasons. I believe you’re skeptical of the science. I’m too, especially since the crisis is so consistently underestimated by science. Maybe there’s something natural or scientific out there that will work wonders. As you imply, there’s no harm to anybody if that’s the way I feel instead of espousing what is called acceptance. Resignation is a no go, and the only surrender I make is to my faults and unwanted behavior. I’m willing to surrender those.

    It’s possible, too, that I can’t believe things I don’t experience, especially when they run counter to a large collective narrative encompassing global society. I don’t believe I’m better or smarter than the masses, so if they are happy with things, I take that as significant for what I’m to believe. This is weird, since I’ve always believed that society needed to be turned upside down. It just has to be done in the right way, at the right time, and the average WalMart shopper will conform. (My extremely unreasonable proclivities at work here.)

    Give me facts and figure, and their meaning is very slight. Put me in the middle of the madly escalating traffic in the city and I am much more convinced of NTE. This can lead nowhere but down. Still, I talk to people about NTE, although never coming across anyone else who does. So I am quite absorbed and transformed by the subject, despite having no sense (word used advisedly), feeling, intimation, instinct, intuition that NTE will actually occur. If someone were to accuse me of hopium, I’d want to knock out their lights. I can’t be somebody that I’m not.

  • From Arctic News:

    This chart: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-61asoVAhn8U/UgNMc-4FqnI/AAAAAAAAKxA/q9ObsEbhBQU/s1600/856375934645.jpg

    Note the hash marks both vertical and horizontal are each an order of magnitude higher. Note the K-T & PETM ‘lights out’ location and then see where we are 1975-2012, off and up to the right of it by a full order of magnitude.

    Kevin Trenberth, chief scientist of the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado, states:

    “Some of the human-induced changes are occurring 100-times faster than they occur in nature … And this is one of the things that worries me more than climate change itself. It’s actually the rate of change that’s most worrying … Ecosystems are not prepared for this jolt … And neither are many human endeavours, built around assumptions about how hot it’s going to be, how much it’s going to rain on our croplands, and how high the seas will rise.”

  • ulvPHONY:

    You are a charlatan and a scoundrel for posting under alter ego pseudonyms. A disclaimer of TROLL ALERT should be automatically attached to all of your comments.

  • 1.) “If we go gently, quietly, or complacently into the abyss—as if we have absolutely no connection with anything eternalthen instant—then we are inexorably [i don’t understand the use of this word here] as foolish as the purveyors of industrial civilization who are engaged in rendering this planet uninhabitable.”

    Yup. We are they. Those very same ones. Carolyn, you seem to be looking for something otherworldly, hence you will not find it in this world.

    We are just as “foolish” whether we agitate and complain or whether we don’t. 

    2.) I’m irritated by the sophistry in this post. Carolyn’s playing some kind of street-corner three-card monte among the concepts of resignation, surrender, and giving up. 

    First of all, su-render literally means “to give up ( to)”. [pace KathyC, who I now see has addressed this at greater length, above].

    I don’t get whereby giving up or surrendering or resignation is, or has to be, passive. That is a straw man of Baker’s construction which doesn’t even hold together for the brief duration of the post.  I was piqued by her having thrown the pseudo-erudite Latin word “resignatio” into the stewpot, and so I serendipitously tripped across the medieval notion of “resignatio ad infernum” (willingly resigning oneself to Hell). I think further reading on that topic could be fruitful for both the spiritually-inclined and non-, if only for a possible understanding of what those who have actively (though largely this remains a mental activity) chosen not to attempt to escape the most extreme punishment and strife imaginary, whether under circumstances they retain arbitrary or intentional, deserved or undeserved.

    3.) Carolyn, you say we need to destroy our egos, but your post is syrupy with egomania.

    This in particular I found fascinating: We’re “fortunate” to have climate-change data, but the unknown measure of horror that is Fukushima causes greater chagrin due to its “lack of control” which gives you an “exponential” feeling of powerlessness . Why are you afraid of being powerless? We never had, not have, the power anyone thought we did, nor the power you wish to ascribe to us. We are foolish and frightened. That’s us. The ones who pretend not to be foolish or frightened are delusional.

    It seems as though, well-meaningly enough, you want to give us power over our own total defeat and irrevocable demise at our own hand. It’s kinda laughable, really!

    As BtD cited: 
    “The normal reaction to feelings of helplessness and vulnerability is often a need to regain control”

    “Mentally, I keep returning to Nazi death camp survivors and the unspoken, seemingly feckless choices they made on a daily basis that allowed them to prevail. Perhaps a drawing made in the mud or jokes they furtively told to one another or a decision that every day they would find meaning somewhere, somehow in the hellish drudgery and brutality of their lives.”

    This seems an unjustifiably teleological ex post facto interpretation: that “seemingly feckless CHOICES… ALLOWED” so-and-so to survive a death camp. Not randomness, unremarked fitnesses we’re not privy to, or  just the sheer exhaustion of the Jew-/undesirable-killing mechanism…  No, it was the victim’s choice to be saved, we’re expected to take away from this. Which is, to my mind, a heinous insult to those who, whether the choices they made were “feckless” or not, didn’t happen to make it out alive. An insult that could be avoided if we were to just Get Over Ourselves and stop asking “why me?” or “why not me?”..

    In our predicament,  one thing to be thankful for is that there won’t be much of a meaningful industry in survivorship studies, so it won’t matter whether we follow Carolyn’s advice (make drawings in the mud, as long as they are Meaningful?) or not. I would say fuck “Meaning”, because the self-regard of which Meaning is an inherent part is exactly the  type of bullshit that got us into this mess (something she later addresses, but not to the end of making her article coherent).

    I have to say that the second part of the post opened more doors of promise, to my mind, but I admit to finding all of Carolyn’s writing challenging to the point of being content-free. If I consider a lack of logical content as a feature rather than a bug, then I can perceive this piece as a blast of emotion the communication of which has obviously found the necessary number of targets.

  • Kirk Hamilton Says:
    (no more pigs to torture)
    My father and his father and I have fed people for decades. What have you done? Bookstore clerk? IT professional? Weasel?

    This is what I mean: this twisted fuck has the gall to criticize a farmer, someone who provides sustenance. It is utterly clear to me why we are letting bankers and CEOs destroy the biosphere whilst we squabble in our ghetto over trivia when I hear idiocy like this.

    re:
    Rob at the public library Says:
    I’ve often thought that Peace, Love and Understanding is just fine for those with means. If you are hungry, there’s not much time for that stuff.

    Pretty much sums it up, brother.

    Kathy Cassandra Says:
    Carolyn, I really think you should consult a dictionary before you base an essay on the meanings you assign to words.

    You so often provide a simple incisiveness which is admirable. Too bad others cannot think so clearly.

    Wendy says:
    Your post was quite angry and bitter in parts, but it was at least easier to follow, and I found it helpful.

    Thank you for your kind words. It seems to me if one is not angry, one is not paying attention; if one has no bitterness in one’s mouth, one has not tasted Life. You seem to have a sweetness which pains me to realize will go extinct along with H. sapiens’ vileness.

    A word of advice to you, Wendy (if you don’t know already):
    Ignore Fugu – he is a sick and pathetic, as
    Puddles Says a POS, mentally ill, socially isolated, disturbed. so don’t get sucked in.

    As Robin Datta advised: ”One should exercise care with fugu (ulfvgl). It should be avoided altogether if one cannot separate the safely edible parts from the lethal. Don’t blame the fish for its being poisonous. Just recognising that it is potentially poisonous is enough. (fugu is a poisonous blow-fish – don’t you love the irony … poisonous blow-hard? – which is a delicacy in Japan and contains one of the most deadly toxins known to humanity) Don’t allow yourself to get poisoned by it, the pathetic poisonous fish psychopath.

    Robin Datta Says:
    ”The butcher, the Baker and the candlestick maker?”
    Robin, you crack me up. I don’t understand half of what you say but what I do get, I love. A strong handshake and a hearty hug to you.

    And poor, pathetic, deluded Logspirit For those who can benefit from my words, please consider how the addiction to flesh corrupts peace of mind, the deleterious impacts it has on the body and the environment.”… still clinging to fucking ideology as the biosphere dies. So sad. This is what a diet of tofu, a waste product of the paint industry, does to one’s cognitive faculties. So sad, these malnourished vegans, hallucinating and deluded from hunger.

    Friedrich Kling Says:
    ”ulvPHONY … a charlatan and a scoundrel”
    Mr. Kling: We may not agree on extra-terrestrial visitation but we most certainly agree on this.

    Lidia Says: ”Carolyn’s playing some kind of street-corner three-card monte among the concepts of resignation, surrender, and giving up.”

    EXCELLENT! Superb! What an apt image. Kudos.
    Delicious and delightful – what that I could be so articulate and artful. Thank you.

    Silly humans … squabbling over bullshit as extinction looms. So funny. So sad. So typical. Could it have unfolded any other way? I don’t think so. Sooo very, very sad.

  • @Wendi, thanks for sharing your experiencing and promotion of “real time”. 

    @Suzanne: “My longing is to co-create a soulful ritual , etc.”

    Yup, the Earth is just waiting around for YOUR apology. No anthropocentrism here, nope!

    @Grant: “Dylan Thomas raged against the dying light, but then drank himself into oblivion, so it’s hard to know if his real goal wasn’t just stiffing the pub out of huge bar tab. ” LOL!!

    @CatCampion: “What’s so tricky to understand, is that …what you have to bring forth is not crazy or wrong. In fact, it’s just what the world needs…” 

    Has anyone, in fact, ASKED “the world” whether this is the case? 

    That “the angels” are all giddy at the amount of ” love” a global extinction event is going to unleash runs counter to my thinking on a number of levels. 

    @logspirit for the best comment of the thread: “The concert is over, but it is still too early to go home…”

    “We don’t want to leave the party of life to die alone in the scary night.” But infuriating evil.. I’m not sure how to go about that. It seems to me that evil  is already born angry. I think the only way to defeat evil is by not allowing it to matter. Like laughing at bullies, Republicans, and religious fundamentalists. They don’t have a sense of humor so the best way to confound them is with laughter at their absurdity. So, we probably can’t defeat evil, but we can confuse it, which has the potential for entertainment value here on the Beach of Doom.

    Speaking of laughter, @Thanatos Sunbum, you crack me up! It’s so mean, though, to piss on the dead kitty’s shoebox… 

    @Tom at 4:53, nothing we don’t know, but thanks for the reality check. I see that people I once thought sane are buying the “ice wall”. As I said above, the only thing to do at this point is laugh out loud at what a clownish group of beings we are.

    @Kirk, did you not hear that Ozman’s going walkabout? “Walkaway”, he puts it. I don’t the the grass is going to look that much greener in Oz. Heat. Drought. Japanese refugees.

    @f.Tnioli, quite! A bracing antidote to “emo” doomsterism. 
     
    @buz painter: “If one believes that finding our inner universe is ‘bargaining’ then they will just “get up and do it again, amen”.” 

    Indeed. When you have found your inner universe, are you going to giving up eating food or heating your home? Us humans will get up and keep doing that until lack of food and fuel stop us from continuing to do so.  The beginning part of that project went ok, the middle part had some hiccups, and the end will range from abrupt, through uncomfortable, with major stops at agonizing and grotesque.  At the end of the human project, there will be no more inner universe to fret about.

    @Tom at 1:31, thanks for calling attention to that link. Priceless. There is to be an institutional series of government-sponsored discussions on the food system at our local rural technical college. That should be just the bomb to throw, er.. argument to bring up at the first meeting! The lunch is BYO, thankfully, so no styrofoam need be sacrificed in vain.

    @kirk, isn’t ET a sort of est-like phenom? I knew some folks who got caught up in “The Forum” back in the go-go eighties. At the prompting of this program (a blatant Ponzi scheme), a psycho ex-bf (classic narcissistic personality disorder I later came to understand) called me up to inform me that he had never made me feel bad, “you made you feel bad”. I know now that he’s right, and I also know that a sure way out of feeling bad is to become a psychopath like him. 😉

    @Robin, I think that was North or South Carolina.. Virginia is where they want to jail sodomites and do forcible transvaginal ultrasounds. It’s easy to get them confused.

  • If you go to the doctor with pain in you bowels, that’s the area to be focussed on.

    Could be disastrous:
    Nonabdominal causes of abdominal pain

    people live well when they seek life, liberty and pursue happiness without depriving others of the right to the same

    Once in overshoot, the resources will not cover the needs & wants. What one takes another doesn’t get.

  • “Resignation Vs. Surrender”

    As for me,I choose acceptance of reality.

  • @ Friedrich Kling

    You are a charlatan and a scoundrel for posting under alter ego pseudonyms.

    And you, sir, are a LIAR. Point to a single named example when I have ever done that. You cannot because it has never happened. If you have any integrity you will withdraw the attempted smear and apologise.

  • Kirk I am glad Tolle helped you. First time I heard him mentioned I checked out his site and it turned me off. So when I read your post I decided to check out Eckart Tolle and global warming.

    From http://www.blogher.com/i-want-eckhart-tolles-work-i-just-cant-get-there-here

    A quote from Tolle follows. This is typical of the logic in his book.

    “If the structures of the human mind remained unchanged, we will always stand up and be creating fundamentally the same world, the same evils, the same dysfunction.”

    (OK Tolle, I get it. This seems right. But then he follows immediately with this …)

    “Collective human consciousness and life on our planet are intrinsically connected. A new have been is the emergence of a transformed state of human consciousness. And a new earth is it’s reflection in the physical realm. Since human life and human consciousness are intrinsically one with the life of the planet, as the old consciousness dissolves, there are bound to be synchronistic geographic and climatic natural upheavals in many parts of the planet, some of which we are already witnessing now.”

    The blogger goes on to say
    So I tried reading on again today, tried to plow through the text one more time. I got comfy, poured myself some iced tea, snuggled up in my favorite chair and began. Tolle was discussing “negative” feelings, like “anger, anxiety, hatred, discontent, envy, jealousy and so on..” (pg 110 ANE). He viewed them as functions of the ego. Then he goes on (p 111):

    “Whenever you are in a negative state there is something within you that wants the negativity, that perceives it as pleasurable or perceives that it will get you what you want. Otherwise who would want to hang on to negativity, make themselves and others miserable, and create disease in the body? ”

    I then started to burn.
    This is the great chasm into which I see much NewAge thought collapse .

    It is written by and for comfortable persons, persons who are not AIDS orphans in Africa, not starving in Darfur, not raped in Bosnia. These are not people who have been tortured in prison, beaten because they are gay, savaged by acts of senseless violence. They are not starving, not afraid of how they will house their families, not homeless, not shot by random gunfire. If they were, they could never write such words. There are people in the world who have a right to negative feelings – who are in legitimate pain, who suffer needlessly — not needlessly because they are indulging their egos, but needlessly because help was not given when it could have been, should have been

    Everyone needs to grapple with negative feelings. But it is no crime to feel them, and it would be a sign of a dead soul in some cases who did not feel the stings and pain of injustice. Rage at injustice has caused change for the better. Ignoring it won’t make it go away.

    But on Tolle’s ivory tower, the world looks very different.

    A blogger after my own heart.

  • http://www.desdemonadespair.net/2013/09/a-warmer-world-will-mean-more-pests-and.html

    When we talk about the challenge of ending hunger and feeding a growing global population, most of the focus is put on increasing production. That’s not surprising — “more” is our solution to most social problems. But some of the hunger gap could be closed by making better use of the crops we do produce now. Take plant pests and diseases, which have historically laid waste to whole harvests. The Irish potato famine of the 1840s — caused by the oomycete Phytophthora infestans — led to the deaths of a million people and the emigration of another 2 million Irish. The 1943 Great Bengal Famine in India led to the deaths of some 3 million and was caused by a simple fungus. Even today, when farmers are better equipped to control pests and pathogens, between 10% and 16% of crop production each year is lost to biological threats. That’s enough food to feed hundreds of millions of people.

    Pests and pathogens are weather-dependent, and many thrive in hotter, wetter climates — which is exactly the sort of change that global warming is predicted to create over the coming decades. In a new meta-analysis published in the journal Nature Climate Change, researchers from the University of Exeter and the University of Oxford looked at how plant pests and diseases will respond to a warming world, and found that their range has been steadily shifting toward both poles, as climate change warms higher latitudes. They found that crop pests have been spreading north and south a little less than 2 miles (3.2 km) a year since 1960, though there’s a lot of variety within individual species.

    We can already see the results of some of that pest expansion. Warmer winters have allowed the mountain pine beetle to take hold over a greater swath of the Pacific Northwest, allowing it to spread further and higher, at altitudes that in the past would have been too cold for the insect. As a result, the mountain pine beetle is now at epidemic levels throughout the American West. The rice blast fungus, present in scores of countries, has migrated to wheat, and has become a scourge of farmers in Brazil.

    Dan Bebber, an author of the paper at the University of Exeter, said in a statement:

    If crop pests continue to march polewards as the earth warms, the combined effects of a growing world population and the increased loss of crops to pests will pose a serious threat to global food security.

    (my comment) Maybe the Fukushima (and other) radiation will kill them! Oh yeah, it would ruin the crops and the soil too, oops.

  • and stating (perhaps to the readers here on NBL)

    http://robinwestenra.blogspot.co.nz/2013/09/mass-extinction.html

    UN Environment Programme: 200 Species Extinct Every Day, Unlike Anything Since Dinosaurs Disappeared 65 Million Years Ago

    Ahmed Djoghlaf says nations risk economic collapse and loss of culture if it does not protect the natural world



    ‘Crown jewels’ of Britain’s landscape could be sold off


    Plan to sell off nature reserves risks ‘austerity countryside’

    
John Vidal
    the Guardian,

    6 September, 2013

    Britain and other countries face a collapse of their economies and loss of culture if they do not protect the environment better, the world’s leading champion of nature has warned.

    “What we are seeing today is a total disaster,” said Ahmed Djoghlaf, the secretary-general of the UN Convention on Biological Diversity. “No country has met its targets to protect nature. We are losing biodiversity at an unprecedented rate. If current levels [of destruction] go on we will reach a tipping point very soon. The future of the planet now depends on governments taking action in the next few years.”

    Industrialisation, population growth, the spread of cities and farms and climate change are all now threatening the fundamentals of life itself, said Djoghlaf, in London before a key UN meeting where governments are expected to sign up to a more ambitious agreement to protect nature.

    “Many plans were developed in the 1990s to protect biodiversity but they are still sitting on the shelves of ministries. Countries were legally obliged to act, but only 140 have even submitted plans and only 16 have revised their plans since 1993. Governments must now put their houses in order,” he said.

    According to the UN Environment Programme, the Earth is in the midst of a mass extinction of life. Scientists estimate that 150-200 species of plant, insect, bird and mammal become extinct every 24 hours. This is nearly 1,000 times the “natural” or “background” rate and, say many biologists, is greater than anything the world has experienced since the vanishing of the dinosaurs nearly 65m years ago. Around 15% of mammal species and 11% of bird species are classified as threatened with extinction.

    Djoghlaf warned Britain and other countries not to cut nature protection in the recession. In a reference to expected 40% cuts to Britain’s department of the environment spending, he said: “It would be very short-sighted to cut biodiversity spending. You may well save a few pounds now but you will lose billions later. Biodiversity is your natural asset. The more you lose it, the more you lose your cultural assets too.”

    He urged governments to invest in nature. “If you do not, you will pay very heavily later. You will be out of business if you miss the green train.”

    Mounting losses of ecosystems, species and genetic biodiversity is now threatening all life, said Djoghlaf. In immediate danger, he said, were the 300 million people who depended on forests and the more than 1 billion who lived off sea fishing.

    “Cut your forests down, or over-fish, and these people will not survive. Destroying biodiversity only increases economic insecurity. The more you lose it, the more you lose the chance to grow.

    “The loss of biodiversity compounds poverty. Destroy your nature and you increase poverty and insecurity. Biodiversity is fundamental to social life, education and aesthetics. It’s a human right to live in a healthy environment.”

    Djoghlaf lambasted countries for separating action on climate change from protecting biodiversity. “These are the two great challenges. But the loss of biodiversity exacerbates climate change. It is handled by the poorest ministries in government, it has not been mainstreamed or prioritised by governments. Climate change cannot be solved without action on biodiversity, and vice versa.”

    The UN chief said that children were losing contact with nature. “We are moving to a more virtual world. Children today haven’t a clue about nature. Children have not seen apple trees. In Algeria, children are growing up who have never seen olive trees. How can you protect nature if you do not know it?”

    A major UN report in the impacts of biodiversity loss that will be launched in October is expected to say that the economic case for global action to stop the destruction of the natural world is even more powerful than the argument for tackling climate change. It will say that saving biodiversity is remarkably cost-effective and the benefits from saving “natural goods and services”, such as pollination, medicines, fertile soils, clean air and water, are between 10 and 100 times the cost of saving the habitats and species that provide them.

  • it appears that there are some definite camps here:

    Those who hate U and his know it all bulloney and his long-winded, never shuts up, mentally disturbed, freak show. If we could all agree to never mention his name and not respond to his posts, then we might see him fade – and this is the last I will speak of him – I scroll past his posts but then I see his posts discussed by others and I can’t get around that… So, let’s banish him from our thoughts and actions.

    Then, there are those here that accept NTE but want to shower the end days with Love and spiritual endeavors and then there are those who just want to say “screw it all” and do whatever feels good and then there are those who want to “stick it to the man.”

    If the consensus is NTE and this site is primarily focused on the science, then the rest of the “discussion” is just that – discussion. It should be worth noting that a small community may have a large number of different opinions concerning anything in their midst – the library is on fire, some want to let it burn, others want to put it out, some want to run in and save books, others want to save some books but not others, some want to set fire to the rest of the buildings and start over… The camps solidify around there causes, leaders are chosen, and the fights begin… meanwhile, the library burns…

  • Kirk H
    Come on Down.
    Just a note, Koalas are endangered her now in most places, a victim of both habitat destruction and heat stress.

    Plenty of ‘roos though. Can you throw a spear well?

    Cheers

  • @Kathy Cassandra
    Thank you for that take on Tolle. I’ve always been disgusted by the self-indulgent, blame-the-victim stance of this newage sewage. It is nothing else but an upper-class pose of “I’m-better-than-you” – just another religion of exclusion.

    @Melissa
    re:”the library is on fire, some want to let it burn, others want to put it out, some want to run in and save books, others want to save some books but not others, some want to set fire to the rest of the buildings and start over… The camps solidify around there causes, leaders are chosen, and the fights begin… meanwhile, the library burns…”
    Excellent analysis and wonderful analogy. I wish I could be so succinct and clear …

    To all the Food Nazis on the blog – I’m sure this article will warm your hearts and ease your minds:

    It Is Illegal To Feed The Homeless In Cities All Over The United States
    By Michael Snyder, on August 26th, 2013

    ”What would you do if a police officer threatened to arrest you for trying to share a sandwich with a desperately hungry homeless woman that really needed it?” …

    An organization called Love Wins Ministries made national headlines recently when police in Raleigh, North Carolina threatened to arrest them if they distributed sausage biscuits and coffee to homeless people living in the heart of the city.  Love Wins Ministries had been doing this for years, but now it is apparently illegal. …

    Since when is it illegal to give somebody food? In Orlando FL, it has been since April 2011, when a group of activists lost a court battle against the city to overturn its 2006 laws that restrict sharing food with groups of more than 25 people. The ordinance requires those who do these “large” charitable food sharings in parks within two miles of City Hall to obtain a permit and limits each group to two permits per park for a year. …

    The funny thing is that some of these control freak politicians actually believe that they are “helping” the homeless by passing such laws.  In New York City, Mayor Bloomberg has banned citizens from donating food directly to homeless shelters and he is actually convinced that it was the right thing to do for the homeless…

    Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s food police have struck again!
    Outlawed are food donations to homeless shelters because the city can’t assess their salt, fat and fiber content, reports CBS 2’s Marcia Kramer. …

    Do you really think that the homeless care about the “salt, fat and fiber content” of their food?
    Of course not.
    They just want to eat.
    It would be one thing if there were just a few isolated cities around the nation that were passing these kinds of laws.  Unfortunately, that is not the case.  In fact, according to USA Today, more than 50 large cities have passed such laws…

    http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/it-is-illegal-to-feed-the-homeless-in-cities-all-over-the-united-states

    Sausage buns for the poor! what a travesty. Those subversive bastards and their Christian Charity. For shame they would provide food … and containing MEAT no less!

    Oh the humanity; oh the insanity.

    I hope this makes you proud, Logspirit, that heartless Nazi food-religion control-freaks like you are making life even more miserable than it already is for the homeless and disenfranchised. As the middle class shrinks and the numbers of those in poverty sky-rocket we must surely deny them charity as well. So much for your love and understanding bullshit.

    You said: ”We are here with each other, comforting each other, we don’t want to leave the party of life to die alone in the scary night.

    Comforting each other alright, as long as that comforting is not food or sustenance for the poor and as long as there is no meat in it. Let those homeless shits starve while you Nazi fucks comfort each other and sing Kumbaya in your cozy living room.

    You fraudulent ideological monster!

    I just hope when you have lost everything and are on the street and it is illegal not only for you to eat but to exist that you remember what goes around comes around. Maybe you will be able to pick the maggots out of dead rats and other various carcasses to get by … unless you shits have made that illegal by then as well.

    Again, with these monstrously cruel attitudes prevalent, is it any wonder our species is in the mess we are in?

  • Cowgirl Apocalypse Haiku #40

    Strangers’ knuckles touch;
    old Airstream trailer arcade-
    playing free pinball.

  • To everyone who has reached out with expressions of support and caring – thanks so much, it really means a lot to me. Cheers!

  • For me, I prefer good science to hysterics any day. I’d rather learn than act out. This gentleman reminds me of one of my professors, sharp as a tack but down to earth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZsweuaqAf8

    My copy of Margaret Atwood’s, Mad Addam, showed up in the mail this morning! It’s the third book in her trilogy about worldwide ecological collapse and how various groups and individuals cope. The first book in the series is titled, Oryx and Crake, if you’re interested. You may remember, Margaret Atwood, wrote, The Handmaid’s Tale, an award winning novel about a dystopian society of the near future.

    I enjoy novels set in a landscape of near future collapse. They’re a rich pallet for showcasing the best and worst in human character and that no matter how spooky zombies, vampires and werewolves can get, humans can always out monster the monsters, hands down.

  • I found the original post hard to follow, and frankly gave up half way through

    I can give you a brief synopsis. Every day when I wake up, I can say ‘Fuck it all, I give up’, go crawl in a ditch and die, or I can face this thing head-on and try to do something positive, no matter how futile it may seem.

    I can ignore that the article falsely offers only two choices, resignation or surrender, because there is always a third choice. I can also ignore the over-used Nazi death camp example, because there is a larger genocide still being perpetuated in our own back yard. Disease of mind, spirit, body, and how a group of people as a whole are addressing historical traumas and imposed poverty are evident all around me, people living in prisoner-of-war death camps, people trying to initiate healing in spite of all this. Everyone is all worked up over Syria, when we still have the remnants of the Indian Wars still being played out right here, though well hidden from the general populace.

    Every day, some part of me wants to give up. But I really only have one option, because I have dependents. If I give up, I take a family of five down with me. That’s unacceptable to me. So, I needed to read these words, or at least their essence, because the beast has been breathing down my neck, and that ditch looks mighty comfy, uncomplicated, peaceful. Hope that helps.

    @Root Toddy anyone else out there with little kids, and because of having that little spark of perfection, sob in silence late at night when thinking about the future?

    I know this pain, and I usually fight to stay in today because of it. Like Grant said, the future is a luxury, and one that I cannot afford, so I try not to go window shopping there. I sob openly at unexpected times, for the silliest reasons, and I don’t know what to do except try to have at least one moment of connection with each child, every day that we are given. And then of course, I’m up half the night every night, tucking everyone in over and over and over….You are not alone, Root Toddy. Peace to you.

    For no reason, this:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2149899/The-American-West-youve-seen-Amazing-19th-century-pictures-landscape-chartered-time.html

  • Ahhhhh, put soundly in my place.
    Nobody, again…peace!

  • Hi everyone.
    And then you have humans like this… who probably doesn’t spend an inordinate amount of time reading and writing in places like this… “just sayin”.

    http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130907/METRO06/309070028/A-savior-tree-species?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE

  • puddles,
    It’s a pleasure to see you pissing all over yourself in little puddles…

  • Melissa If the consensus is NTE and this site is primarily focused on the science, then the rest of the “discussion” is just that – discussion. It should be worth noting that a small community may have a large number of different opinions concerning anything in their midst – the library is on fire, some want to let it burn, others want to put it out, some want to run in and save books, others want to save some books but not others, some want to set fire to the rest of the buildings and start over… The camps solidify around there causes, leaders are chosen, and the fights begin… meanwhile, the library burns…

    Yeah that about captures it – but for those with dependent children the equation is different as Badlands so eloquently states. Whatever one with dependent children believe about NTE, they have the responsibility and burden to be there for them in a world heading ever further into chaos. As I have blogged this for several years I have come to two conclusions
    1. of course if you are fertile get tubes tied now (gay men excepted)
    2. if you have people dependent on you, especially if those are your own young children, whatever you do you have to figure them into the equation.

    Beyond that I really don’t care what anyone does. One of the things I do is blog, which does absolutely no good expect to distract us from the unfixable mess our planet is in

    I am currently re-reading The Last Policeman by Ben Winters – a rather good book about how people might act if they knew that in 6 months a planet killing asteroid was going to hit earth.

    Thantos, thanks for your comments on my comments 🙂 The last time I checked out Eckart Tolle’s web site I got advertisement from him on almost every site I opened until I got rid of that cookie. He’s in it for the money and he sells what sells. It sounds good at first glance but as you note it ends up making the victim the one to blame.

    Meanwhile back in the real world

    Chris Harris, former licensed Senior Reactor Operator and engineer: Fukushima Unit 4, the plans are in November to start removing the fuel. The question is always, ‘What’s going to keep the fuel sub-critical as you’re withdrawing it from the pool?’ That hasn’t been answered to my satisfaction yet because — although there are a lot of spent fuel assemblies in there which could achieve criticality — there are also 200 new fuel assemblies which have equivalent to a full tank of gas, let’s call it that. Those are the ones most likely to go critical first. […]

    Keep batteries fresh in your rad monitor, because you’re going to need to know what’s going on when they drop some fuel. […]

    Some pictures that were released recently show that a lot of fuel is damaged, so when they go ahead and put the grapple on it, and they pull it up, it’s going to fall apart. The boreflex has been eaten away; it doesn’t take saltwater very good.
    http://enenews.com/nuclear-engineer-fuel-unit-4-pool-appears-damaged-will-fall-apart-pull-make-sure-radiation-monitor-working-whats-going-when-drops-audio

    Happy trails to all until we meet our end

  • Another ecologist brings up the likelihood of NTE:
    http://www.oceansidestar.com/news/web-of-life-unravelling-wildlife-biologist-says-1.605499

    “Wildlife biologist Neil Dawe says he wouldn’t be surprised if the generation after him witnesses the extinction of humanity.”

  • OK, a little estimating: Dawes retired in 2006 after 31 years. He is now probably mid to late sixties. One generation, 25 years his junior. So if you are 45 or less, bye, bye to retirement. Us older ones get to see the first act or two. We may lead off the extinction (Sorry, but your medicare seems to have expired).

    Throw long and prosper!

  • “Wildlife biologist Neil Dawe says he wouldn’t be surprised if the generation after him witnesses the extinction of humanity.”

    If by “generation after him” the reference is to humans, that is not possible: if there are humans around to “witness” it, then it ain’t yet “extinction of humanity”.

  • Former Chairman of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission Says Every Single Reactor in the U.S. Should Be Shut Down

    http://www.alternet.org/environment/former-chairman-nuclear-regulatory-commission-says-every-single-reactor-us-should-be

  • kevin, with the exception of roughly the southwest quadrant of the nation, it appears the severe drought in the u.s. of last year has improved dramatically.

    http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/archive.html one year ago: https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/news/us-drought-monitor-update-september-4-2012

    from what i’ve gathered, most of the eastern 1/3, including the southeast that suffered severe drought last year, has had well above average rainfall this year. in my area of upstate new york, northeastern usa, rainfall has been slightly above average and well dispersed over time. this very limited data suggests good short term news for climate change in many places: greater extremes whose harm is mitigated by relatively frequent cycling from one extreme to another. the places that are surreally gonna be hit hard are the ones where one extreme sets up camp for an extended time.

    ‘Despite horrifically high unemployment rates, there has been no eruption of European youth.’

    keep sheeple adequately sheltered/fed and ‘free’, and we’ll be docile as cattle.

    ‘Although ‘the Titanic hit the iceberg’ a while ago and has gaping holes, it is not sinking anything like as quickly as we thought it would. We may have several more years of death-by-a-thousand-cuts.’

    i hope so. as much as i sometimes hate life, it’s a hard habit to break:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y_XdwLtHiU (the lyrics during the first 1 1/2 minutes combined with the beautiful nature scenes in this video suggest the brokenheartedness of knowing that ‘gaia’ is dying, that she’s the love we’re losing, the one we’re addicted to)