Presentation in Boulder, Colorado

I delivered a presentation on climate chaos in Boulder, Colorado on the evening of Wednesday, 16 October 2013. The result is embedded below, with thanks to hosts and facilitators Jenny Ferry, Carolyn Baker, Jenelle Green, Dan Green, Deanna Meyer, and Patrick O’Leary (and also thanks and apologies to those I’ve doubtless forgotten).

Please excuse the error. It wasn’t the Undersecretary of Navy who predicted human extinction in a few decades in June 1986: It was Robert Watson of NASA to the Senate Environment Subcommittee on Environmental Pollution.

An article appeared in The College Fix after the presentation: DOOMSDAY PROFESSOR SAYS HUMANS EXTINCT BY 2040. It’s quite poorly done.

Even “better” is the inaccurate article at The Daily Caller: Doomsday professor: WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE BY 2040 (from global warming). The comments are hilarious.

An overview is provided by Sam Carana at the Arctic Methane Emergency Group. It’s here.

Comments 163

  • “I’m preaching to the choir.”

    no doubt. but, in Boulder, a choir of reusable grocery bag toting, prius driving, plastic container #7 recycling, granola chomping, Sierra Club shouting, PETA following, bike riding, hemp wearing freaks that all have jobs, houses, cars, and shop at Target and Wal-Mart. Hypocrites.

    “It’s civilization.” Yes!, death-trap.

    “There is no escape.” Yes!, hopeless.

    “We can’t prevent human extinction, we never could.”

  • Thanks, Guy, for posting this. I couldn’t justify a 900 mile round trip to catch your presentation (assuming roads still exist between here and there) so the video was nice.

  • PAGE 75:

    Quote:

    “In searching for a common enemy against whom we can unite, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill”.

  • Jeez Rob… I’m not sorry to say that I didn’t miss one bit not having the pleasure of making your acquaintance at Guy’s Boulder presentation. I don’t recall that I have ever, in my 50+ years on the planet, come across another human being with his head quite so firmly up his own ass.

  • Rob@thepubliclibrary says: I am a sick man. … I am a spiteful man. I am an unattractive man. I believe my liver is diseased. However, I know nothing at all about my disease, and do not know for certain what ails me. I don’t consult a doctor for it, and never have, though I have a respect for medicine and doctors. Besides, I am extremely superstitious, sufficiently so to respect medicine, anyway (I am well-educated enough not to be superstitious, but I am superstitious). No, I refuse to consult a doctor from spite. That you probably will not understand. Well, I understand it, though. Of course, I can’t explain who it is precisely that I am mortifying in this case by my spite: I am perfectly well aware that I cannot “pay out” the doctors by not consulting them; I know better than anyone that by all this I am only injuring myself and no one else. But still, if I don’t consult a doctor it is from spite. My liver is bad, well–let it get worse!

    Don’t like granola, eh?

    @patrick o’leary Glad to see you made it through the flooding okay! You posted a video of a raging creek during the Boulder floods and then disappeared into the ethers. Oh, I saw your comment on the other thread- did my remark re: the jet stream make you laugh or cry? Both?

  • Fine talk. I enjoyed it immensely (grateful that there is still enjoyment in the world).

  • Guy himself has stated the situation is hopeless. Guy himself has stated that there is no chance of the Resistance successfully overthrowing Industrial Civilization and dismantling the toxic infrastructure.

    and, I believe it.

    But, it’s more than that – long long ago I realized that the whole structure of our civilization sucked – the whole “working for a living” thing and sucking up to the man in order to fit in so I could get a raise and buy a bigger house, bigger car, etc., just made me sad, unfulfilled. But there is no alternative – other than to somehow get rich enough to buy your own island and wholly divorce yourself from society. And, if not, then escape into weekend activities, vacations, television and beer.

    The fact that we are trapped, that there is no alternative, is what really grinds on me. I can’t move to some place where I can “live off the land” and live free – and I’d be dead in a week if I did since I have no ability, no skills, to live like that!

    The hardest part of my awareness is knowing I spent 50 years chasing NOTHING – and, in doing so, I caused untold suffering around the world. Me, just one person, just me – I paid taxes to a US govt that kills people all over the world – for oil and for corporations in the military industrial complex. I bought tons and tons of garbage (batteries not included) produced in undeveloped countries that use children basically as slaves working long hours with little compensation. Most of that garbage is probably now floating around in the ocean or fouling the groundwater in a landfill. Just think of all the batteries I bought, used, and threw in the trash. I am responsible.

    Whatever good I may have done, whatever charity I gave, is a drop in the bucket compared to the suffering I have caused. There’s no getting around it.

    At least I never had children.

    So, here I am. I can no longer participate in Industrial Civilization and I cannot live in the wilderness. I am a refugee of Industrial Civilization. So, I sit here by the polluted South Platte River and watch the water rush by – just waiting.

    Yes – I think the people of Boulder, CO with their reusable grocery bags and their Prius cars are full of it – those Prius cars have to be manufactured – it’s a sham. It’s a sham for them to think they are “saving the planet” when in fact they are still consuming at a rate far in excess of anything that could be considered “helpful” to our current situation. You can’t hardly live and work in America and not be making a disproportionate negative impact on the environment – even the very poor in America are sucking up resources way in excess of the global average.

    I agree, I’m a bad person – all I can say in my defense is I didn’t know any better, and as soon as I did know better, I quit.

    I don’t believe any of the shaman stuff – I don’t think there is any redemption by wandering the Earth doing good deeds as opportunities arise or joining a Resistance with no clear plan for success. But, just like I don’t walk up to children and strike them, I don’t participate (as much as possible) in Industrial Civilization.

    Just like Guy says “We can’t prevent human extinction, we never could.”

    Victor Frankl attributes his survival to finding meaning in his life. Well, he survived and went on to father children and all that. But, while he was surviving in prison he was assigned to work details aiding the Germans in their war effort. So, in his survival are the deaths of many innocent individuals that he is personally responsible for. I know it’s an extreme view but that’s how I see it.

    If you are participating in Industrial Civilization, you are responsible for your share of the consequences.

    I am guilty. The children suffer, there is no redemption.

  • I can see how Rob might rub some of you the wrong way. It’s all pretty much “doom & gloom” from him. But, you know what? He is basically right. I respect him from cutting through all the B.S. & get to the pointy end of it.

  • If I’m not mistaken, Rob is pat, the Denver accountant. At least that used to be his primary persona until he was outed by Guy on the July 2013 post “The Sea Gypsy.” Then he added “at the public library” to “Rob” afterwards.

    “I’ll be traveling for a while and therefore poorly moderating this space. Please limit comments to two daily, and restrict your attacks to ideas, not people. Both notions apply to the person posing as Thor, Rob, pat, Zumba, Boris, Ginny, GranolaGirl, OldMcDonald, Skank, Bill P., der kommissar, A Human, Agrarian, NewMan, and a dozen or so other monikers.”

    I’ve always heard accounting was tedious, so I suppose this site lets him vent repressed creativity!

  • In the past I’ve started conversations here about the most salient feature of Boulder, i.e. it’s the trust fund recepient capital of
    the world.There are more trust fund yuppies here than anywhere else.

    I’ve spent a lot of time there, and have had numerous opportunities
    to enquire of academic/ intellectual types in Boulder about this aspect of the city. Everyone is as amused/puzzeled/wondering/amazed
    as I.

    In my 81 years I’ve acquired the ability to recognize these people on sight. Anyone with sentient, social skills can do likewise. Go into
    any popular restaurant in Boulder —it jumps out at you.

    It’s nice to be back Guy.I promise to be more regular here–you have
    the world’s foremost intellectual blog site.

    DD

  • @The Dean Of Reading

    Isn’t it fortunate then that no one ever listened to the Club of Rome?

    This way the experimental setup is way cleaner, i.e. we have shown that we have largely no ability to escape the standard run of the model, therefore we can just compare what happens and what was predicted for the BAU case. Just imagine how difficult it would be to make any predictions if we could just change our destiny willy, nilly.

  • @The Dean Of Reading

    Isn’t it fortunate then that no one ever listened to the Club of Rome?

    This way the experimental setup is way cleaner, i.e. we have shown that we have largely no ability to escape the standard run of the model, therefore we can just compare what happens and what was predicted for the BAU case. Just imagine how difficult it would be to make any predictions if we could just change our destiny willy-nilly.

  • The talking heads at CNBC, and various other economic blabbers are alarmed at today’s Job’s Report received from on high.Not enough new
    jobs they say.Let’s see: more jobs= more growth.

    Not a one of them seems to be aware that our world is finite, and any
    economic growth means further destruction of nature and the environment, further poisoning of our air and water.

    Am I missing something here ?

    DD

  • Sounds like Patty drives a Prius? (typed while chomping down a bowl of granola)

    Hugs to Guy.

  • Rob is right. He’s guilty. By virtue of using computers and the Internet, we are all guilty. No redemption. The facts support his arguments. Attitude is another matter. It may hurt to hear that driving a Prius makes you part of the problem, not the solution, but, since we’re here, we want the truth, right? Why hang the messenger?

    Guy, I really appreciate the way you have changed your presentations to account for the problem of the reactors. What I have most appreciated about you, from the first presentation I saw on YouTube, was your honesty. You are able to take in new information and synthesize it into your work. This is what all scientists and scholars are supposedly trained to do. As we all know, this is rare in reality.

    Thank you so much for continuing to look the horror in the face and for keeping us up to date here on the beach of doom.

    And while I’m at it, thanks to everyone here, those reading and those who also write. Each of us is clearly doing our best to come to terms with reality, even though many of us have learned to avoid sharing it. I am comforted to find myself at the tail end of history (who’s going to be writing it in another decade or so?) with access to a group of courageous people, willing to grapple with the catastrophic end of our species. That we continue to argue with one another, most of us trying desperately to find a way to act ethically in the face of our complicity, I think speaks highly of our species, for all of our glaring faults.

    A special thanks to those who have been plugging away at the nuclear-go-boom angle … I thought Guy’s formulation in the video of civilization as a cul de sac was brilliant. Sadly, also unassailably logical.

  • No one here is hanging the messenger. I, for example, agree with almost everything pat/Rob says, redundant though it is. I just wish he would write as himself instead of as a fictional homeless character!

  • @Rob

    omg, Rob, I was giving you a hard time! I thought you would recognize Dostoyevsky’s ‘Notes From The Underground’ and appreciate what I appreciate about your voice, namely that it is a voice that is alienated yet continues the search. The hero of the essay is fictional, but a voice that must exist based on the circumstances of the society it was born into. You are echoing a mantra that likely many have repeated with some part of themselves, and I only wonder if that is it, if there is really nothing of value for you to find in your existence. Nowhere did I call you a bad man!! You are an honest man, as far as I can tell via this form of communication, and we are all hypocrites to some degree, which is why everything is so maddening. Insane as it all is, I keep seeming to wake up every morning, so must figure out how to reconcile likely NTE every single day. You seem to be doing the same, so your way is just as valid as any other way.
    Again, sorry!! Peace to you, and stay away from that granola!

  • You are amazing, Guy.

  • I’m still pat – sitting on the runaway train staring out the window. Still have a job, house, mortgage, car, etc. I don’t have a garden, water storage, or firearms. I assume my last days will be spent in a FEMA camp.

    Sorry I missed Guy’s presentation in Boulder, I would have liked to meet some of the people.

    The Sea Gypsy thread was probably someone trying to work around the 2 post a day rule.

    The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement (VHEMT)
    The One Commandment:“Thou shalt not procreate”

    the Church of Euthanasia
    save the planet, kill yourself

    Jesse’s Church of Euthanasia
    save the planet, kill yourself, and take some poor slob with you.

  • From Orlov :

    And so a lot of plastic trash is burned in open pits, at low temperatures, releasing into the atmosphere a wide assortment of toxic chemicals, including ones that affect the hormonal systems of animals. Effects include genital abnormalities, sterility and obesity. Obesity has now reached epidemic proportions in many parts of the world, affecting not just the humans but other species as well. Here, then, is our future: chemical plants continue to churn out synthetic materials, most of these find their way into the environment and slowly break down, releasing their payload of toxins. As this happens, people and animals alike turn into obese, sexless blobs. First they find that they are unable to give birth to fertile male offspring. This is already happening: human sperm counts are dropping throughout the developed world. Next, they will be unable to give birth to normal male babies—ones without genital abnormalities. Next, they will be unable to produce male offspring at all, as has already happened to a number of marine species. Then they go extinct.

    Note that no disaster or accident is required in order for this scenario to unfold, just more business as usual. Every time you buy a bottle of shampoo or a bottle of water, or a sandwich that comes wrapped in plastic or sealed in a vinyl box, you help it unfold a little bit further. All it takes is for the petrochemical industry (which provides the feedstocks—oil and natural gas, mostly) and the chemical plants that process them into plastics, to continue functioning normally. We don’t know whether the amount of plastics, and associated toxins, now present in the environment, is already sufficient to bring about our eventual extinction.

    http://cluborlov.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/the-sixth-stage-of-collapse.html

  • I hate Ulvugle:

    anyway, sorry I was unable to attend Guy’s talk in Boulder.

    I’m sure the Boulder residents were really open to his message. No mention of his presentation in the Boulder local paper or even on the Colorado chapter of Deep Green Resistance. Shame.

    Peace.

  • We r all guilty.

  • Hahahaha, my ‘favourite’ people on this blog, rob, pat, melissa, puddles, who never said anything worth reading, but keep on saying it ad nauseam…funny how they all live in Denver, the hellishness must be contagious, something in the air ? the water ?

    And for the dreamers who believe we can solve this by being positive and applying unconditional love and build a rosy future after the bottleneck, when all those old nuclear plants have finished melting down, please bear in mind that there are more than 100 new ones planned and under construction worldwide, along with all the thousands and thousands of nuclear weapons and biological warfare installations and chemical dumps and many other ghastly hazards which require continual human care and monitoring… and the dead anoxic oceans release clouds of toxic gases which drift across the land… etc, etc.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24561325

    http://www.monbiot.com/2013/10/21/fiscal-meltdown/

  • @ulvfugl — yes, on the Internet, know one knows you’re Jamie Dimon, trolling some blog at long lunchtimes, while awaiting the perp walk.

    No, more likely, some federal institution in the Denver area shut down, and certain “creative” employees were offered continued paychecks if they…

    Or Sally Field (“Sybil”) — she could really clean up, doing multiple personalities from one workstation.

    No, I think it’s more like Dr. McPherson’s Zoo. (Or “The Island of Dr. McPherson”). We have all these “types”, and as long as there’s not enough to “flood the zone”, they sharpen us and remind us as a sampling of all human types out there — the ones we’ll be dealing with under panic conditions soon enough.

    Variety, humor, sardonic irony, bitterness, all good diversions from 24/7 Doom. If someone is sincere enough to take their time out to contribute here, voluntarily, I’ll give them some credit.

    If we ever divide this site into topics-separated threads, like most blogs, and the pure science reports are offered up in one section, and psychological consolation (“suicide watch” handholding) in another thread, then: Zero Tolerance. Instant deletion.

    Or, as I wrote long ago, maybe a new online forum technology, where the host can “minimize”/shrink the posts he finds unhelpful, and your option to drill in to read them.

    Comments at many good sites have become unreadable, so many people having become unwitting, if unpaid, “space trolls” themselves. We are still on a decent trajectory here, if only because of not having become popular enough to be worth attempts against.

  • Ulvfugl,

    Well, I live in Denver and if the hellishness is indeed contagious perhaps someone can put me (us) out of our misery! Put a deadly pathogen in the water or something.

  • Hi everyone,
    I am grateful for having had the opportunity to meet and hang out a little with Guy last week. Many of us here have commented on how much personal honesty, integrity and humor is reflected in his writing and speaking. I’d just like to say that those qualities are apparent even more when you meet him in person. Thanks again Guy for your generosity with your time and knowledge, you are one of a handful of people I have met in my life who truly deserve to be called “master teacher”.
    I attended what was billed as a “Climate Summit” on the Sunday following Guy’s presentation at the University of Colorado. It was organized by the Boulder Democratic Party, so that should give you a hint as to what it was really all about. I was able to video the introductory talk by Dr. James White, Director of INSTAAR (Institute of Arctic and Alpine Research), which I have linked below. The title of his opening talk was “Climate Change Now: The Reality -Summarizing the current evidence of this system failure we call climate change”. Unfortunately there was no “current evidence” presented, no mention of the most recent IPCC report, no mention of what is currently happening in the Arctic, and no mention of the 25 self-reinforcing positive feedback loops that IC has triggered, and last but not least, no mention of the recent “extreme weather event” here in Boulder or it’s connection to climate change. What’s up with that one might ask?
    I think we can start to answer that question by looking at another question, the first one on a survey included in the program for the event. Do you feel that the US should aggressively pursue the reduction of carbon emissions, in order to reach a “safe” atmospheric CO2 level of 350ppm as soon as possible? I believe that question is disingenuous at best, if not downright deceptive. The fact is, as Guy has made quite clear, that the National Academy of Science has stated that there is NO way that CO2 will return to a level of 350ppm for AT LEAST a thousand years. Is that what is meant by “as soon as possible”? Absolutely crazy…! Another clue came when I talked with the young women from 350.org after her presentation. She told me that yes, 350 was aware of the National Academy report, but felt that information was too alarmist and would only turn people off. I understand that position, as do most of us here, but I certainly don’t agree with it. I believe that people should know the truth, so that they can make choices for their future based on the facts, not on hopium and deceit.

  • Welcome back, Double Dee!

    It is so nice to see one of the old timers back!

    Am I missing something here ?

    DD

    If you are in on NTE, you haven’t missed a thing. The jig is up. And as you will notice, the insightful ones have all drifted away from NBL.

    Do you feel that the US should aggressively pursue the reduction of carbon emissions, in order to reach a “safe” atmospheric CO2 level of 350ppm as soon as possible?

    Since that ASAP is a millennium, the question should be: “Do you feel that the US could (be for that long)?”

    that information was too alarmist and would only turn people off.

    No need to spook the animals at the abattoir.

  • Hi Badlands,

    ” did my remark re: the jet stream make you laugh or cry? Both?”

    Oh yes, definitely both, sometimes simultaneously… always an interesting physiological phenomenon, though it can make breathing difficult.
    Thank you for the well wishes regarding the flood, thing’s have been pretty chaotic in my life for the last month, and will probably continue to be for some time to come. My cabin and woodshop were nearly buried by sand, gravel and mud, literally. I lost many, many books and records…still grieving that. I have had to completely gut the cabin in an attempt to dry it out and prevent black mold from taking over. I am a furniture maker, and sadly my shop was filled with 3-4 feet of sandy mud, tools buried, wood stash washed away, rusting metal everywhere I look.
    It would all be so heartbreaking if not for the fact that my heart has been broken open for a long, long time now. The hardest thing, the thing that continues to bring tears to my eyes, are the dying trees. Hundreds of them in my neighborhood are suffering, suffocating under 2 to 10 feet of silty, sandy mud that used to be the sides of the mountains above me. Sometimes I get so tired of being in this world, but then I think of my sixteen year old daughter, how many skills I still have to teach her, how many stories left to tell…and then I know I will continue to put one foot in front of the other, come what may.
    And then there is always the good old Grateful Dead to provide musical accompaniment on this long, strange trip…

  • dear patrick, i am sorry to hear about your home. you really have a “mud hut.”

    ****

    i have decided to get intoxicated when i feel like it, when it won’t interrupt my work. it helps me access my creativity and of course to relax and open in the midst of the despair i feel. i gave up intoxicants 6.5 years ago when i committed to doing a specific meditation practice. this summer i followed my niggling suspicions to their conclusions and saw that OF COURSE every moment of sacred life is what i was seeking through meditation, and that the tradition i was using as an emotional crutch was a trap. shit. oh well.

    i have decided to finally learn to play the guitar and sing songs. to be as wild and free as i possibly can. to finally be free. to un-domesticate my self amap. sure, my armpits are already hairy, but…

    i appreciate you here who have flung your lives off the edge and each in your own ways live beyond the boundaries of the false impositions of “culture.” thanks for the little windows you offer into your experiences.

    i want to stop paying off my student loans. what is the worse possible repercussions of that? any practical advice?

  • Was wondering if someone could post Christina Consolo’s article explaining how a spent MOX fuel rod exposed to air would kill 2 billion people in several weeks.

    It would seem to me that the exploded fuel would need to blend in to every cubic metre of air to have this happen. Thats trillions of cubic metres vs kilograms of fuel. I would think it would take months to blend the two together. Burning the casing would still leave most of the uranium core intact even if it were strewn about the country side.

  • @ulvfugl AKA “butthurt”

    If you try to argue with butthurt, sorry i mean ulvfugl, for proof to back up his claims he will link to one of his own posts on another website. If you try to query that post, he will link back to the original.

    get a job butthurt!

    the perfect personification of a pissant posting puerility in perpetuity
    is you

  • @ JavaK
    Not exactly what you asked for, but a heaping helping of doom nonetheless:

    https://rt.com/news/fukushima-apocalypse-fuel-removal-598/

    I’m speculating that the huge number of deaths was arrived at by taking the amount of Pu present and dividing it by some presumed lethal dose. The actual death toll would depend on things like particle size (as from a fire), how high the particles ascend into the atmosphere, how much precipitates into the Pacific (then what?), weather patterns at the time, etc. If it were injected very high (which might require an explosion rather than merely a fire) it might be able to spread widely before finally precipitating, more nearly approximating a worst case.

    However, an incident with a single assembly would certainly raise radiation levels in the immediate vicinity of the SFP and make any further operations problematic. Eventually, without further operations, the remaining assemblies would fail and you could take whatever happened with the single assembly and multiply it by 1500.

  • Hawkeye Davis climate change update for early October:

  • Thank you Guy, I’m glad you make your talks available on this site, so we can all listen. After all, I’ll be stuck in England until the end. Therefore, listening for me is like the “one-sided conversations” I had with my favourite writers when I was a very young German (Hermann Hesse, Stefan Zweig). They really inspired me, and I felt safe with them. Now, that I’m an old British subject, your talks have a similar effect on me. It’s nice to feel what Goethe termed as “Wahlverwandtschaften” which translates roughly as “blood relationships” of your choice. The German expresses this very subtly, yes German can be very expressive, more than most English speakers like to image. But it sums up how I feel about many of you here, no matter how angry desperate you get (Rob).

    Melissa, how can you say you “hate” Ulvfugl. Do you feel inferior? I hope not.
    And Ulvfugl, I always look forward to reading you comments, please don’t stop.

  • https://arctic-news.blogspot.ca/2013/10/high-methane-levels-over-laptev-sea.html

    Monday, October 21, 2013

    High Methane Levels over Laptev Sea

    (selected quotes from article – worth a look)

    Above map shows the location of some of the main points of interest, i.e. the Laptev Sea Rift and the Gakkel Ridge, where high methane readings have been recorded recently, as shown in the image below. Indicated in yellow are all methane readings of 1950 ppb and over, for a period of just over one day, October 19 – 20, 2013.

    This is a very dangerous situation, since high levels of methane have been recorded over the Arctic Ocean for more than a month now. Furthermore, large amounts of methane have vented in the Laptev Sea area in previous years. Added below is an edited part of a previous post, Unfolding Climate Catastrophe.

    The authors conclude: “Since the area of geological disjunctives (fault zones, tectonically and seismically active areas) within the Siberian Arctic shelf composes not less than 1-2% of the total area and area of open taliks (area of melt through permafrost), acting as a pathway for methane escape within the Siberian Arctic shelf reaches up to 5-10% of the total area, we consider release of up to 50 Gt of predicted amount of hydrate storage as highly possible for abrupt release at any time”.

    Satellite measurements show methane readings of up to 2411 ppb on October 20, 2013. Sadly, no current data are available from measurements in the Laptev Sea, neither methane levels in the water, nor atmospheric methane levels just above sea level. Perhaps in time, some data will become available from expeditions.

  • @ pat o’leary

    Heartbreaking to hear about your workshop, you’d be welcome to have mine which is unused, but faraway… keep bouncing back, eh.

    @ Sabine

    Sabine, so nice of you. Maybe love and hate are very close, two sides of the same coin, piroboli, terrobolem, rubbing makes sparks 😉

    The Piroboli (called Terrobolum in Greek) are two talking rocks. One is male. One is female. Rocks as a rule are not stunning conversationalists, as they are generally sedentary (when not actually sedimentary), and thus rarely have an exciting answer to “what did you do this weekend?” Don’t ask a rock that. Its bad manners and just rubs their nose in the fact that they are a rock. Piroboli, on the other hand, are the playboys of the geologic world. While other rocks sit around eroding, the Piroboli are out cruising. Well, not really cruising. More just sitting there thinking how cool it would be to find a like-minded rock looking for a little bump and grind (not sure whether this is literal or figurative). Piroboli have the distinctive quality of bursting into flames when male and female rocks are in proximity to each other, which makes for extremely short, but really intense dates. The first clear mention of the incendiary qualities of the Piroboli appears in the 2nd Century A.D. bestiary before bestiaries were cool, called the Physiologus (authored by an anonymous Alexandrian, possibly Christian theologian Titus Flavius Clemens). The Physiologus was translated into dozens of languages over the next few centuries, luckily one of which was Old English (since my linguistic skill in Latin, Ethiopic, or Syriac are sorely lacking, and in fact completely non-existent). Most bestiaries that followed, cribbed at least some of their monstrosities from the Physiologus, including the 12th Century A.D. English illuminated manuscript called The Aberdeen Bestiary.

    http://esoterx.com/2013/10/22/99-problems-and-a-pirobolus-aint-one-the-inflammatory-history-of-gendered-stones/

  • @ Christy: Cheers!

  • JavaK, here’s a link to a long interview with Christina Consolo. I couldn’t find an actual article. https://rt.com/news/fukushima-apocalypse-fuel-removal-598/

  • Downloading video, thanks !

  • @ Debby:
    If Northern Japan is arguably already uninhabitable, why are there still people living North of Fukushima?
    Does anybody have a read on Christina “radchick” Consolo? I watched her on a youtube interview from May 2013 but I’m not sure of her credentials. Is there any way to check her facts?

    bad timing for flash flooding:

    https://youtu.be/bwROS2GmNqs

  • Cowgirl Apocalypse Haiku #68

    Out making the rounds,
    round the space you filled, old friend.
    What a good Sandy…

  • I found this about Christina Consolo. She has a Facebook page as well.

    http://endthelie.com/2012/05/06/which-will-collapse-first-the-economy-or-the-spent-fuel-pool-at-fukushima/#axzz2iYynnys9

    “Christina Consolo is a former clinical researcher supervisor with NIH credentialing; a former Member-at-Large for the Board of Directors, Ophthalmic Photographers’ Society; A peer reviewer for the Journal of Ophthalmic Photography; She has written, published, and contributed to numerous scientific research in retinal imaging and ophthalmogy for the past 24 years; She is also an award-winning biomedical photographer and maintains several websites to teach people about radiation, mitigation, and other nuclear issues. She is also the host of “Nuked Radio” Tuesdays & Thursdays from 12-1:00 pm EST on the Orion Talk Radio Network.”

    In the article, she use Arnie Gundersen as a source re the fuel rods. I don’t need to spell out his background, do i?

  • Love you Denise.

    While we’re on the subject of Fukushima….

    October 23, 2013
    Why the Entire Pacific Fishery Could be Tainted
    Fukushima’s Radiation Gusher

    As the man says, “Bon appétit!“.

  • A quotation from Guy from 2011:

    I don’t believe people will voluntarily move to a more sustainable set of living arrangements. We appear to be hard-wired for growth of the industrial economy. If so, there is no effective combination of mainstream approaches.

    Shall we despair? I think not. To use a line from the iconoclastic Tucson-based writer Edward Abbey, I think we should instead employ action as an antidote to despair.

    First and foremost, we should abandon the industrial economy to every possible extent. Then we should try to destroy it, because merely walking away is analogous to walking away from the screams as people use baseball bats to slaughter unarmed children. Walking away from such a scene does not address the issue, and it makes one a coward.

    The industrial economy is destroying every aspect of the living planet on which we depend for our survival. In addition, the industrial economy is reducing the habitability of the planet for future generations. At this point, it may have tripped an extinction event for humans, although I believe we must act as if it is not too late to save our species. Doing so becomes self-fulfilling prophecy.

  • So NoMo, why don’t you get started? Maybe you can pick ulvfugl up along the way. Trying to convince people in this space isn’t going to bring what you want about. Get out there before it’s too late. The not-so-fresh air will do ulvfugl some good. He’s been cramped up typing away for far too long. Rob’s approach is the most honest and logical take away of NTE, so it’s bizarre that some are taking umbrage with him. If those some truly believe in NTE, how on earth could they not see the crystalline rational logic of Rob’s philosophy?

  • As we seem to be having an above-average number of pie fights lately, I am reposting this (from about five months ago) for those who are interested.

    If you are running FireFox, I have written a “blacklist” script called “NBLblacklist”. This lets you maintain a list of user names whose posts you would prefer to be filtered out so you don’t see them (your machine only). Instead of their post you see a little message that says “…filtered…”. This only affects the guymcpherson.com site.

    The best way to avoid feeding trolls is to not see their posts in the first place. If no one responds to them they lose interest and drift off. I personally feel that every online community would benefit from a similar function.

    NBLblacklist is used together with a plugin called Scriptish (only for FireFox, any platform). Greasemonkey should also work (one was a fork of the other). There are security issues involved with running Scriptish or Greasemonkey since it is another way to run questionable code in your browser. My script has no unpleasantness in it, and the code is visible so you can verify it yourself. Just don’t grab scripts at random from the net. I imagine you need javascript enabled as well.

    First install Scriptish in FireFox like any other addon and enable it.

    Then go here:

    http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/168091

    and click the green Install button.

    Under the Tools menu (Linux, not sure where it is in Windows at the moment) you will see Scriptish -> Manage User Scripts…, make sure that NBLblacklist is enabled.
    When you have a page loaded at guymcphereson.com (it won’t be active when you are other sites) you will see Tools->Scriptish->User Script Commands-> with four options:
    About
    Add user to blacklist
    Remove user from blacklist
    Show blacklisted users

    Those have the obvious functions. The whole thing can easily be disabled or uninstalled.

  • Dear forum,

    I take exception to the idea that trying to identify and block what some have labeled as ‘Trolls’ is valuable in this forum. First off in my experience in reading or commenting on blog sites, I don’t know that I have come across more than a handful of what I would term ‘trolls’. People without manners, who are crude and brutish, or seem to be suffering from anger, despair etc., yes, real trolls? No. Nor have I ever been directed to real proof that trolls exist as in hard proof of paid provocateurs, however it makes sense that it would occur. But here? I have seen no evidence of paid provocateurs. People get all ruffled because others have a different opinion or approach-a large part (the simple humanity of other we have not reconciled within), that killed the ‘Occupy’ movement. Thats just what humans currently occupy as a reality. Conflict, violence. Blocking each other is not a way to resist status quo, it enables it. We need to learn to listen and share in a non-violent compassionate manner. For those curious, watch this video.

  • @Rob..re: Does anybody have a read on Christina “radchick” Consolo?

    I just watched her “Fukushima Update” youtube. Being at recent cancer survivor and “plant person”, I took keen interest in the part at the end called “Mitigation.” She gives very practical and down-to-earth tips on how to keep one’s immune system primed for the radioactive onslaught (which is totally consistent with my integrative md’s advice, as well as my additional research).

    She humbly and realistically points out that she, like most of us, won’t be bugging out to the southern hemisphere- and says something like ‘why would we want to watch from afar as our loved ones left behind suffer?’. She says she CAN imagine the worst-case scenario with the same quiet honesty expressed by Guy and many in this forum. She recommends using cannabis to support one’s health and admits to using it herself. She recommends trying to work less and spending more time with the ones you love. She says, “Treat yourself as if you already have cancer.” (Sound familiar?)

    She sounds cool to me.

  • @ Exactly

    Exactly which Anonymous Coward hides behind that title I can guess, but whoever they are, they have obviously not being paying sufficient attention or else don’t have the intellectual ability, to see the differences which distinguish Rob@thelibrary’s position from Guy’s, from my own, and from that of others here.

    Fwiw, I have not been part of IC and have been resisting IC, for more than 30 years, arguably for very much longer

    Why anybody thinks that someone sitting in a public library in Denver doing nothing, other than feeling depressed, guilty and sorry for themselves, is ‘a rational and logical crystalline philosophy’ is difficult to fathom. It’s certainly no threat to IC, is it.

    Perhaps ‘Exactly’ would like to explain how following Rob’s example will do anything effective at all ?

    At the moment, IC happily dumps millions of humans who are surplus to its requirements into tent cities, favellas, leaves them to sleep in the streets or under flyovers or in hostels for the homeless or wherever they can find a refuge.

    All the while, IC grinds along regardless, growing, polluting, eating, the biosphere.

    Guy addressed the great Socratic questions in his essays at The Good Man. Rob has never even gone near those.

    Have YOU, ‘Exactly’ ? What are your views ?

    Guy has talked about ‘Excellence’. Excellence comes from within.

    Rob doesn’t accept that there is any such thing or place as ‘within’, he explicitly denies the possibility even exists. He is utterly ignorant of his own inner being. He’s a materialist and a nihilist with a completely negative attitude towards everything, including himself and his own existence.

    If anybody sees this analysis as incorrect, feel free to show me where it’s faulty.

    @ TIAA

    Dear TIAA,

    We’ve had that non-violent communication recommendation here before, somewhile back. Personally, I don’t like it, it’s so boring. There’s other routes to follow which are much more fun and produce much more interesting outcomes, much faster too.

    And then there is loving-violence. You can easily bullshit people with verbal communication. You can’t bullshit anybody with aikido. Either you can do it or you can’t. Same goes for other spiritual teachings which combine a physical aspect.

  • @ulvfugl “Rob doesn’t accept that there is any such thing or place as ‘within’, he explicitly denies the possibility even exists. He is utterly ignorant of his own inner being. He’s a materialist and a nihilist with a completely negative attitude towards everything, including himself and his own existence.

    If anybody sees this analysis as incorrect, feel free to show me where it’s faulty.”

    Rob is merely providing an honest assessment of the situation at hand, which I appreciate. He doesn’t try to sugar coat things by telling us we have a ‘soul’ or some sort of mystical ‘inner being’. Basically, we’ve destroyed Earth’s biosphere, we’ll die and that’s it – no Elysium Fields, Valhalla, Nirvana or what have you. Just nothingness… total oblivion. However, it will be an end to suffering.

    That said, I’m in agreement with Guy’s proposal to strive for excellence and compassion by providing hospice care to one another as things become increasingly dire. That’s the decent thing to do — i.e., empathy. But one needn’t resort to metaphysics to appreciate this.

  • @ cuntagious

    He doesn’t try to sugar coat things by telling us we have a ‘soul’ or some sort of mystical ‘inner being’. Basically, we’ve destroyed Earth’s biosphere, we’ll die and that’s it – no Elysium Fields, Valhalla, Nirvana or what have you. Just nothingness… total oblivion. However, it will be an end to suffering.

    That said, I’m in agreement with Guy’s proposal to strive for excellence and compassion by providing hospice care to one another as things become increasingly dire. That’s the decent thing to do — i.e., empathy. But one needn’t resort to metaphysics to appreciate this.

    Then you and others should educate yourself and pay closer attention to what the discussion has been about for all these months, indeed years.

    I’m not the slightest bit interested in ‘sugar coating’.

    I’m probably the harshest critic on this blog of anyone.

    Rob who – says he’s not into ‘that touchy feely stuff’ – chastises me for being nasty to people.

    Why am I nasty to people ? Because I chop up their illusions (amongst other things).

    Now, do you think someone like me would be interested in some imaginary ‘sugar coating’ ? I’m not. I’m into stuff that works, I’m into science, I’m into understanding and insight. I’m also more radical and committed than almost anyone I’ve met in my life.

    Now, as to what happens when we die, neither you nor I nor Rob, nor anyone else, is in any position to give an authoritative view on that, are we.

    I never have.

    When you say no Elysium Fields, Valhalla, Nirvana or what have you. Just nothingness… total oblivion. you just express an uneducated an illiterate personal opinion.

    You do not understand what the word ‘nirvana’ means. It does not mean what you think it means.

    http://www.psychologytomorrowmagazine.com/inscapes-enlightenment-and-science/

    You say one does not have ‘to resort to metaphyscs’, as of metaphysics was somehow inferior, which I suppose it is in YOUR belief system and value system.

    But that’s what we’ve been discussing here for years. The belief systems which have caused NTE, and other alternatives.

    One of the major reasons why people destroy the environment so thoughtlessly is because of the belief system which you and Rob espouse, the one which says it’s ALL JUST STUFF, that nothing is sacred. That is, Materialism.

    Another point is, concerning hospice care, and the oncoming horror that we expect to witness, and the trauma this will involve, any human being has to turn to their own inner resources and their own beliefs to sustain them.

    So, it would appear that Guy derives his ethical and spiritual guidance from that ancient Greek tradition. Others here get theirs from other traditions. There is no way to say that what works for any one individual is right or wrong, is there. If it works for them, that’s fine. For them.

    But it’s perfectly plain, both from Rob’s constantly repeated dirge, and from the history of nihilism since the 19th century, that his version of nihilism is hopelessly inadequate. The record shows this. It’s a long litany of suicides, alcoholism, drug overdoses, and despair, because it provides nothing to nourish the human spirit and no ethical guidance. It doesn’t help you get through the night. It doesn’t teach how to deal with fear and anxiety and anger and despair and conflict and all the rest.

    This was all understood centuries ago, thousands of years ago. It’s not like it’s a new problem. Just that some people here are uneducated and clueless.

  • Isn’t it a bit hypocritical that people who still use the internet are typing about the necessity to abandon industrial civilization?!

    Anyone who seriously thinks this is possible is in for a life chapter full of despair. You will be alienated from most, if not all, of your friends, and loved ones, in the process of spouting out all your hypocrisy. You might even get a black eye, and thrown in jail, and for what?

    Guy knows that industry will burn itself out, and his cause will bring no true change. He believes it’s best to act, then despair, and I tend to agree, HOWEVER, I see it a little different:

    I can attempt to leave civ, and lower my standards of living considerably, all the while being a witness to collapse from the edge, else I can live it up, drink it down, and bang out all my heart desires, all the while being a witness to collapse from smack in the middle of it.

    It really does depend on what one’s after in life.

    I’m just a big hairy pussy, so think it’s pretty obvious what my choice is (=

  • Dear Guy, when I heard you answering the question “Why do you share this information?,” I was chagrined to note that I had asked you the same question when I first encountered your work and began corresponding with you. It is kind of a protective reflex, shooting it all back at you like a hot potato. What I was really saying was “What the heck am I supposed to do with this information?

    The answer you gave in this talk is as good an answer as you need to give. It satisfies. It brings to mind the Hawaiian word kuleana, which is essentially:

    “To understand and fulfill one’s area of responsibility and stewardship as a privilege and honor.”

    You are not receiving many accolades for taking care of your kuleana, but we each have a different kuleana to sort out and fulfill, and you are fulfilling yours. That’s all anybody can do.

    One comment I haven’t heard from audiences in these talks, which I keep encountering, is “Well, people have always thought the end of the world is coming for this or that reason, and it never happens….” etc. Then I feel concerned that if I continue trying to share the info. I am going to look like one of those crazies who is promoting a doomsday fantasy that is not based on reality. So I trail off with “This is different…” and let it go.

    One thing I have been thinking about is how so many movies have the hero saving the world against all odds. And he wraps it all up in about an hour and a half, with his sexy sidekick, of course. I wonder if we have all just been waiting for that hero and his consort… and they/we just never showed up.

  • How to Give a Eulogy.

    Some things to consider while discussing NTE:

    http://www.esquire.com/features/influence/ESQ0906-0906INFLUENCE_132

  • “What I am about to tell you now, is about an event that never happened….

    …I am John Callahan, and I was Division Chief of the Accidents, Evaluations and Investigations Division of the FAA in Washington, for 6 years during the 1980s.
    In early January of 1987, I received a call from the Air Traffic Quality Control Branch in FAA’s Alaskan regional office, requesting guidance on what to tell the media personnel who were overflowing their office. The media was requesting information about the UFO that chased a Japanese 747 across the Alaskan sky for some 31 minutes at flight levels between 31000 and 35000 ft. on November 17, 1986. Somehow, the word had leaked out.
    “What UFO; when did this take place; why wasn’t Washington Headquarters informed?” I asked.
    “Hey,” he replied, “who believes in UFOs? I just need to know what to tell the media to get them out of here.”
    The answer to that question was easy: “Tell them it’s under investigation. Then, collect all the data – the voice tapes and data disc for both the facility and the military. Send then overnight to the FAA Tech Center in Atlantic City, New Jersey.”

    Japan Air Lines flight 1628, a cargo jet with a pilot, co-pilot and one crew-member, was just north of Anchorage, and it was about 11 p.m. when the pilot first reported the UFO. He described it as a huge ball with lights running around it. He said it was about 4 times bigger than a 747, and he saw it with his own eyes. So did the other two-crew members.
    Over the course of 31 minutes, the UFO jumped miles in a few seconds, changing places to different spots around the 747, in one sweep of our Air Traffic Control radarscope.
    After receiving the recorded data from Alaska almost two months later, I briefed my boss Harvey Safer and the FAA Administrator Admiral Engen, and Safer and I went to the FAA Tech Center to observe the playback.
    The FAA had developed a program capable of recreating the traffic on the controller’s scope, or plan view display. I instructed the FAA specialist to synchronize the voice tapes with the radar data so we could hear everything the controller and pilot said contemporaneously. I videotaped the radar display.
    Later that day, I requested that the FAA automation specialists plot the radar targets along the route of flight and explain what each target was doing. I videotaped the resulting chart.
    The print out and radar play back displayed primary targets in the vicinity of the 747. These target returns were displayed about the same time and place as the pilot advised viewing the UFO.
    Both the radar and manual controller observed the primary UFO target. The military controllers also viewed the primary target on their radar and identified it as a double primary. The pilot and crew viewed the target on their radar and were able to see the huge UFO at the same time as it approached their aircraft.

    If this craft had been a Learjet or military aircraft at the wrong attitude, that would have been clear. The FAA has procedures that cover tracking unidentified aircraft violating another’s airspace – but it has no procedures for UFOs.
    Back at FAA headquarters, I gave Administrator Engen a quick briefing and showed him the video. He set up a briefing with President Reagan’s scientific staff, and told me my function was to give them a dog-and-pony show and hand this event off to them, since the FAA does not deal with UFOs.
    I brought along a copy of the video and all the data print outs available at the time.
    One of the scientists asked a number of questions, such as, what is the range of the radar, what is the frequency of the radar, what is the band width, what is the formula for the height equipment, etc.

    I was impressed with the response from the FAA experts. At the end, one of the three people from the CIA said, “This event never happened; we were never here; we’re confiscating all this data and you are all sworn to secrecy.”
    “What do you think it was?” I asked the CIA person.
    “A UFO and now they have over 30 minutes of radar to go over,” he responded.
    “Well let’s get a TWIX out and advise the American public that we were visited by a UFO,” I suggested.
    “No way, if we were to tell the American public there are UFOs they would panic,” he informed me.
    Some time after the briefing, the detailed FAA report which included extensive interviews with the pilot and crew, the chart prepared at the Tech Center; and facility voice tapes arrived at my office and were placed on a small table waiting for the CIA to request more data.

    The radar tracking data discs and voice tape material- incontrovertible evidence of UFO activity-remained with me at the FAA Investigations Division until I retired two years later, and I’ve had it ever since.”

  • http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/10/23/cnrl-primrose-oil-leak-contaminating-groundwater_n_4151712.html

    CNRL Primrose Oil Leak Likely Contaminating Groundwater

    The leak at the Primrose oilsands project in northern Alberta has likely contaminated groundwater aquifers, the province states in an environmental order.

    Sticky bitumen, which rose to the surface over six months ago, says the order, “has entered local non-saline groundwater aquifers, likely contaminating the groundwater,” according to the Edmonton Journal.

    Canadian Natural Resources Ltd. (TSX:CNQ has been ordered to determine the full impact to subsurface groundwater and work to find the root cause of all four bitumen releases. The province says that will require a drilling program, adding that doing so in the winter months minimizes the environmental impact of the drilling activities.

    Greenpeace spokesperson Mike Hudema told Fort McMurray Today CNRL is not moving as quickly as they could to investigate and clean up the spill.

    “What’s most worrisome is that we don’t know the affect on groundwater, which is what they should have been testing all along,” he said. “How can CNRL claim these emulsions have been contained if they cannot yet account for the impact it’s had on groundwater in the area?”

    The new order confirms a major problem, groundwater contamination, and should raise a red flag about CNRL’s high-pressure steam process known as fracking, for extracting bitumen, New Democrat environment critic Rachel Notley told the Edmonton Journal.

    “A decade after that process started, Alberta still has no rules on using it — such as how much pressure is safe, and under what geological conditions should it be used,” said Notley, adding that the company is still allowed to use high-pressure steam one kilometre from the small lake even when the cause or solution for the leak is unknown.

    In July, Canadian Natural Resources said a mechanical failure at an old well was behind bitumen seepage at its project on the Cold Lake Air Weapons Range.

    Four sites were identified and about 1.5 million litres of bitumen have since been recovered.

    More than 100 animals have also died in the area.

    The Calgary-based company has said the four locations have been secured and cleanup is ongoing.

    The company had earlier been ordered to limit the amount of steam it pumps into the reservoir while the Alberta Energy Regulator investigates.

    Hudema has called the leak an ongoing disaster.

    “(It) shows how hard it is to clean up tar sands incidents and the extreme nature of these spills,” he said in September.

    “As the spill numbers and questions rack up, the Alberta government should, at a minimum, put a hold on approving new underground tar sands operations until we understand how these leaks are happening and if other sites could run into similar problems.”

  • Not an ounce of empathy, but very good at rationalising why he doesn’t need to feel any.

  • @WoodsDweller

    Penguins are clapping. 😎

    @Kling

    Beam me up Scotty.

    @Datta

    You write: “And as you will notice, the insightful ones have all drifted away from NBL.”

    I see you’re still here.

  • We will pull ourselves out of this crisis and laugh at the naysayers and doomsters from our moon base.

  • @ Woodsdweller:
    I just use the scroll bar – and I do agree that ignoring comments is the best way to deal with trolls – but sometimes I still get sucked in. I agree with others here that there doesn’t seem to be any REAL trolls here – the conversation generally stays within the context of NTE. Two things really help: The two post a day rule, and the fact that Guy posts anew every three days. I’ve always agreed with Henry that the blog would benefit from some upgrades…

    Many things I do not know and many things I do know (but could be wrong), and still, many things I do not know but I could know and many things I cannot know – and many things I don’t know which is which.

    I don’t know chemistry – but I know I could learn and then know. I don’t know if I have an eternal soul and I don’t know if I can ever know this one way or the other – I don’t dwell on it. I admit this freely.

    In “Apocalypse Now” when Kurtz talks of the villagers that cut off the children’s inoculated arms, he talks of the purity of the villagers’ will to do that. I used to believe in ideology – that there was a set of principles to live by. However, I discovered that my principles were easily corrupted to effect some expediency – and I don’t know if this was a learned behavior or something inherent in my nature. No, I could not have been one of the villagers – I would have tried to find a way out – some way to keep the children’s arms so that they could work in the fields with two arms – an addendum to the principles if you will. An addendum.

    I agree we should either be rioting in the streets or laying on the ground awash in tears from our uncontrollable sobbing.

    I just looked at the Tokyo radar – Typhoon Francesca is weakening but they are still expecting a lot of rain…

    For those in Hawaii:
    http://www.islandbreath.org/

  • What a load of crap. There has always been climate change and so shall be ad infinitum. Global warming has always, overall, increased plant and animal life. Today, if it does in fact exist, it will disrupt some human population patterns, but overall, pray mightily for global warming…. Now, another Ice Age, that’s scary…….mega death

  • Tom pondered:

    “There are way more questions than answers here, and if we give them unlimited power to make it all okay then we may as well say they are “god” or whatever and can perform miracles. If that’s the case why are they waiting so long when we can see the end of the road from here?”

    Mr. Tom, I compliment your intelligent and thought-provoking insights, which contrast mightily with the thoughtless automatons that frequent this site, and who have convinced themselves that they have all the answers so ridicule that which questions their carefully pre-conceived version of reality- there’s no fool like an old fool. Remember: Born in sin, just come on in.

    I have considered the same questions and I have arrived at some conclusions, which I would be happy to share with you.

  • Cowgirl Apocalypse Haiku #69

    Damn the NSA!
    Upvoting you, sister/bro.
    Thank you Anonymous.

    (Spontaneously written during a moment of paranoia, before clicking my approval for Anonymous backing up yet another underage rape survivor being criminally harassed in Maryville, Missouri, ala Stuebenville, OH.)

    http://www.commondreams.org/further/2013/10/23-0

  • FKling: if you don’t want to post your thoughts on that topic here, Guy has my permission to give you my e-mail address and we can converse privately. i’m interested in this stuff too, but don’t see it saving our collective ass (to keep doing what we’ve been doing – ruining the Earth).

    Denise – thanks for your haiku writing.

    Hubert: i’m sure there are still climate change denier sites for you to post your doubts and misgivings on. You WILL SEE that all the dire predictions (and more) will be coming true in your lifetime regarding the coming collapse of everything we have now, so no one really cares what you think about or fail to notice about the conditions leading to NTE – least of all nature which is simply reacting to all the carbon pollution we’ve put back into the atmosphere (after nature went and sequestered it over millions of years so that aerobic life could flourish for a while) and making it increasingly anaerobic, as well as highly radioactive in the coming years, thanks to the “genius” of humanity. Enjoy your time.

  • Exactly says: Rob’s approach is the most honest and logical take away of NTE, so it’s bizarre that some are taking umbrage with him.

    Oh, good grief, no one is taking umbrage with Rob or his approach to dealing with the weight of NTE! I was poking fun at Rob because at the start of every new post and first thing every morning, he is there repeating his lament, and in this case, unable to get to Guy’s presentation, resorted to merely criticizing the audience. It was a literary joke gone wrong, and I guess I am the only person in the whole-wide-NBL-world that can find humor in Dostoyevsky, but hey, I’ve been working on seeing the positive. Plus, I was feeling jilted because I have addressed Rob directly in several comments, and he refuses to reply to me. So watch out folks– if you make it onto my shit-list, you may just end up on the wrong end of a Mark Twain quote, or even worse, looking down the barrel of some Ken Bruen. No more talking about Rob!! And in my case, no more talking TO Rob, because one sided conversations are just embarrassing.

    @Christy Ceraso That is great to hear about taking up the guitar and unleashing your creativity. B9K9 who comments here said something that has stuck with me– why not set and attempt to accomplish a master goal? There is so much errant energy right now, if a person can get rid of some of the distractions, expectations, etc., and rope some of that energy for creative endeavors, big things are possible. Good luck to you!

    @patrick o’leary I’m very sorry to hear that your home and workshop weren’t spared by the floods. Just by the short video you posted, it was pretty clear that the river meant business. Hopefully you and your loved ones are unscathed. Crazy how the Boulder floods just kind of disappeared from the news, just like everything else, I guess, no longer exciting with only the clean up, people working together, you know, the good stuff that comes out of disasters which seem to be the number one method of getting people out of their malaise. Thank you, too, for reporting on the ‘Climate Summit’. What will it take for people to ‘get it’, I wonder, even after just experiencing the direct effects of climate chaos in the form of a 1000 year flood? Does not bode well…
    I hear you on the trees- we are still cleaning up our own tree disaster since the early October blizzard. Many that are still standing look like bizarre sculptures, with broken branches and odd, saw-cut shapes. Mountains of deadfall and branches lining the streets waiting for crews hired to pick up the remainder. I go hiking and stare in awe at lines of trees that just snapped off a third of the way up the trunk. Woodland activities are becoming more and more dangerous around here, and soon there will be no woods…

    Tom Waits says: I’m just another sad guest on this dark earth.

  • Dear Ulvfugl,

    Pshaw!

    As if my comment was about you.

    Don’t worry, your secret is safe with me.
    😉

  • @ Badlands – sorry, I didn’t mean any disrespect! I acknowledge you.

    yes, I took a shot at the crazy greenies in Boulder – but that critique goes for most of us, IMO.

    @ TIAA: because Guy chooses to not moderate comments on this blog, it’s pretty much anything goes. UFOs, crop circles, JFK conspiracy, 911 truthers, FEMA camps, Illuminati, etc…

    @ Hubert: I think you are missing the point about how cheap energy and Industrial Civilization lead to population overshoot – plus capitalism’s dependence on growth – which adds up to NTHE – but, I wonder if you would at least accept overshoot, bottleneck, die-off. Even if you don’t believe in Peak Oil, do you believe that more people means more energy and that means more expensive energy AND that if Russia, China and India want to have more more more then energy is going to more more more expensive – I found NBL back in 2006/2007 when I was curious about economic collapse due to population overshoot and the potential for resource wars, etc., I never imagined NTHE – not at all, and I certainly was not a believer in Manmade Climate Change or Peak Oil. I didn’t have a clue.

    By the way, Hubert, how do feel about the mindless consumerism that feeds the machine? How do you feel about the inequality that exists in the world? How do you feel about a developing country that exports food for cash so the rulers get rich and the people starve? How do you feel about the fact that 16% of the world’s population uses 80% of the world’s production?

    Does every family need two cars, 4 televisions, an RV and a boat? What are you going to do when every family in Russia, China and India also wants two cars, 4 televisions, an RV and a boat?

    I know it seems ridiculous to pretty much everyone, but for me, the issue is civilization. And, to say that civilization needs to end in order to ensure the survival of humans seems Way Crazy to most folks. But, that’s my take on the whole stinking mess.

    Personally, I would rather live 40 years as a wild animal than 80 years as a civilized human.

  • Rob, the system is what it is. Your rant reminds me of people that complain about politicians, but don’t vote .

    Would I love to live in a world free from money, free from religion, free from class, free from violence, free from hatred, free from pollution, free from climate chaos and free from suffering children, a world where Jimi Hendrix and John Lennon are alive and neither Bush was ever President; Where unicorns are not only real, but they eat radioactive waste and shit high-grade Turkish hashish .

    Of course I would . But I don’t . I live in the world we all live in, so I deal with it, just like everyone else .

    I don’t want to get old and become a financial burden to my kids, but fuck me, right ? A man provides . That’s what a man does, and if he can’t, he ceases to be a man . What are you, Rob, if you’re not a man ?

  • And in other news, Tepco is passing around oven mitts, toasting forks and tongs to deal with damaged reactor at Fukushima as two — count ’em! — two typhoons are headed in that general direction.

    There’s Fukushima, global warming, NTE, and perhaps the most corrupt government in the US ever — which is really saying something — and I can’t stop smiling. The absurdity of our demise is impossible to overlook. The various super serious and for that matter supercilious voices on these subjects adds to the comedy.

    “Fiasco” seems like the best word to describe our situation. I think it is time to start wearing comical hats.

  • @ The Dean of Trolling

    I tend not to stick around on forums long, my presence is typically like a drive by shooting, I’ll blast for a small period of time then I’ll be gone, either voluntarily, or, as is usually the case banned.

    The perfect definition of An Internet Troll.

    And as complete an admission of guilt as any prosecutor in a any court of law could ever hope for.

    Guilty on all counts as charged.

    Guy’s presentations are inspiring, and the phrase “NTE” sounds somewhat urgent.

    When you’ve understood Guy’s position, (assuming you ever do, which seems unlikely. If you stay, you’ll have to learn what this blog is about, learn some respect for the people, that takes time, I don’t suppose you’ve got it in you.) then you will have understood mine, because although there are some differences, they are minor and trivial and mostly over matters which cannot be settled, because they lie in the future.

    As for other issues, I consider your trolling and disrespect for this blog community is despicable. Here for debate ? Don’t lie. Trolling is not debate.

    You think you are being clever. I see you as a crass vulgar fool. You merit no further attention from me so henceforth you will be ignored by me, unless until you pay your dues, learn, behave, earn some respect, show some good qualities. That’s all.

    ———–

    TIAA wants to embrace all comers regardless. Well, ideally perhaps that’s how ‘love’ should work, but in practical terms, we have, and will have, a triage situation, and will have to decide and make choices. I only have so much time and energy, and I can either spend it on worthwhile schemes, projects, people, or worthless ones.

    After the Rwanda massacres, the aid agencies fed and cared for whoever came into the refugee camps without discriminating. That included groups of people who had been doing the killing. So the crazy ‘do gooders’ were feeding and giving medical care to people who were STILL raping and murdering INSIDE the refugee camps, because of an insane principle that it was wrong to turn anyone away.

    Love without wisdom in such circumstances, is useless and stupid, isn’t it ? Be kind and gentle and help the guys with the machetes, so that they can chop up the innocent teenage schoolgirls who have no protection at all ?
    On the grounds that ‘All are equal in the eyes of the Lord’. Ffs.

    The corollary is also true, wisdom without love is sterile and misguided. That applies to much of Western philosophy, religion, economics, science, etc.

    I agree with TIAA, about blocking out comments. Taking an analogy from Orlov’s latest article, I don’t want my Beach of Doom swept nice and clean for the tourists, so there’s nothing to offend my eyes. I read every single comment.

    and Pshaw ! to you too, TIAA, dear, I wish I could tell you about psychodramas, they can be amazing, change people and their lives overnight… and I have secrets I don’t even tell myself, in case they slip out, know what I mean ? 😉

    ———-

    @ Rob at the Public Library

    I don’t know chemistry – but I know I could learn and then know. I don’t know if I have an eternal soul and I don’t know if I can ever know this one way or the other – I don’t dwell on it. I admit this freely.

    Well, I do wish you’d give a little more conceptual expansiveness to those of us who have spent years and years deeply absorbed in the problem, trying to figure out what we think or don’t think about the matter, Rob.

    I mean, who or what is it, that ‘doesn’t dwell on it’, that knows or does not know ? What do you call that entity ?

    Some people call that the soul.
    Some people call that consciousness, the thing that the Universe has produced, by evolution, so that it can be aware of itself.

    Some call it the mind, the self, the ego, ‘me’, and until you start seriously looking and making a very careful analysis it’s all just a muddle.

    Some people consider some of these ideas as synonymous with God. These ideas are all quite closely related and overlapping to some extent.

    None of them are quite my own. I’m telling you what some other people say. You don’t need to share any of them, only acknowledge the right of others to hold those varied views, because there is an enormous range, all around the world, thousands and thousands of different takes on what, ultimately, presumably, is one and the same fundamental human condition.

    Why is this so ? Well, I’d suggest, if you use zen, that helps you get free from ALL belief systems. That helps to understand why there are so many different views and perspectives. But then, you, Rob, don’t understand any of this, but dismiss it all nonetheless, with a wave of your arm.

    Whether the soul has some existence after death, or whatever, is an open question.

    I see the debate as totally insane.

    The scientistic atheist side rage against their Christian fundamentalist opponents. They are both batshit crazy. If you look at the history, the idea of an eternal soul has nothing to do with Christianity. According to the Jewish Encyclopaedia it is nowhere expressly taught in holy scripture. So why are any Christians fighting for it ?

    It came to them from Plato. He got it from the Orphic and Eleusinian Mysteries. They got it from the Babylonians. They got it from the Egyptians.
    That’s where the whole western concept began. It’s not really Christian.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egyptian_concept_of_the_soul

    That idea of soul is, or has become, something abstract. A mental concept.
    I’m personally not much interested in that, and couldn’t care less whether anybody ‘believes in’ it or not, although it is of historical and intellectual interest. Kind of early psychology.

    What I’m interested in is something quite different, which you can actually find and experience directly yourself, and which can be checked out empirically and scientifically, which also sometimes gets called by the same word soul or sometimes spirit, because of bad translation, but a better term, imo, is subtle body.

    Whether it is immortal or whatever, I don’t know, but it sure is interesting.

    What anyone else thinks about this doesn’t matter either, but it’s not a belief, it’s an experience. Same as in kundalini yoga, it’s you experiencing, harmonising with, being conscious of, your own life force. It’s not at all well understood, but it works and its amazing.

    Then there’s the whole Otherworld thing. For people who never experience it, it simply doesn’t exist. Tough. Sad for them. Do you think that shamans over the last few thousand years, all the way until T. Mckenna, just make stuff up just to be annoying ? 🙂

    I used to believe in ideology – that there was a set of principles to live by. However, I discovered that my principles were easily corrupted to effect some expediency – and I don’t know if this was a learned behavior or something inherent in my nature.

    Dear me. I do wish you would think this stuff through, it would save so much trouble and confusion. You know, the differences between belief and knowledge and between ideologies and belief systems and worldviews and religions and mind sets and cosmologies and so forth.

    I agree we should either be rioting in the streets or laying on the ground awash in tears from our uncontrollable sobbing.

    As an either/or option ? Both seem rather silly. The first one has and is being tried in many parts of the world. Gets a lot of people hurt and imprisoned. Most of the so called ‘springs’ and ‘colours’ appear to have been instigated by the CIA and other nefarious covert agencies to forward their own international agendas. They don’t produce the results that the gullible crowds hope and expect, and were never intended to.

    I’m all in favour of revolutionary action if it produces something worthwhile. Just going out and getting yourself killed or imprisoned long term for no result seems a bit pointless. I favour the buddhist and taoist notion ‘skillful means’.

    I think it was Ghandi, or maybe someone else, said don’t waste energy trying to destroy the old, it’ll die anyway, put all energy into building the new. I’m not sure that makes much sense anymore, re NTE.

    I mean, the ultimate nihilist act would be for a model to blow her brains out on the cat walk as a fashion statement, or a rock star to end his career by cutting his throat on stage at the end of the final show of the final tour, to demonstrate the total decadence and vacuuity of this absurd soceity.

    But what good would it do ? What difference would it make ? We’re surrounded by ghoulish horror and monstrous tragedy every single minute, and what difference does it make ? The ghastly show keeps on rolling and rolling.

    Whole cities could vanish, capitalism will not care, it won’t miss a beat. Do you think New Orleans or Miami or Venice or Lagos or Copenhagen matter ?

    Maybe if Wall Street went, London, Hong Kong, Frankfurt, some of the big capitalist nodes, that’d slow things down a bit. Me, I tend towards wanting some justice and retribution, I want the bad guys to do some suffering, not to have to watch only the good guys getting annihilated. That means the good guys have to use a bit of intelligence, strategy.

    I’ve done my share of uncontrollable sobbing. I’m all sobbed out. Then what ?

    Being alive is incredible, miraculous beyond words.
    While there is time, get on and do something with it, would be my serious recommendation. If you can’t think of anything, help someone else.

    And you don’t think there are trolls ? Hahaha, you say you don’t read half the comments, no surprise you don’t understand what’s going on here, and the comment following yours, denying AGW, and all the climate science that this blog is built upon, and you take the bait…. but I suppose if you know nothing about chemistry yourself, that sort of figures, eh. Well, good luck.

    @ James Martin

    Actually, it’s not certain at all. It’s a very real possibility. A very real grave danger. But it is simply not certain.
    If the current trends continue, it’s certain. Or near enough to certain to call it that.
    But it is not certain that current trends will continue. It may be probable that something like current trends will continue. But probability does not equal certainty.
    So it DOES matter what we do. Hugely, I’d say.

    You mean, if 7 billion + people were to die very soon, leaving the few million that the world could sustain long term, yes, that would work….except that, who will dismantle all the nuclear power stations ?

    Which takes many, many decades. And the world’s nuclear weapons. And where will the nuclear waste go ? There’s nowhere to put it. Like Hanford ? And who will supervise all that crap for centuries ?

    As well as all the other toxic chemical and bio-hazard and nuclear waste that’s already dumped all over the place in USA, Russia, and no doubt China… bunch of permaculture hippies ? A few New Age hunter-gatherer-scavengers with wooden geiger counters ?

    And what is to bring about this enormous reduction in the human number count ? Planning ? Human action ? Accident ? Nature ?

    Whichever it is, anyone who survives is going to be so traumatised and scarred they are not going to be like anyone we’ve ever known, are they.

    Their world is not going to be like any place that we have ever known.
    There’s nothing in the history of the human species to compare with it, really, certainly not in terms of scale.

    Personally, I don’t think we see that massive die off in time. I think we see it happening, but much too late for anything to be saved.

    You see, I agree with your general logic re the current trends continuing. But you’d have to persuade me, what there is, on the horizon, upcoming, that’s going to change anything for the better, rather than for the worse.

    I don’t see anything. Not a single thing.

    And worse still, we are locked into stuff. The 40 year time lag. The irreversible feedback loops.

  • we bought 300 key chain flashlights with our logo on themm, they each have 5 of those mini hockey puck batteries in them. we paid $1 a piece. Made in China.

    Heck, those 5 mini hockey puck batteries cost more than $1. WTF? How is it possible?

    I don’t know.

    The end is nigh.

  • @ pat

    I can buy garlic cloves from a seed merchant, to grow garlic. I have to prepare the ground and try and prevent insects and things from eating them, and some get mould and rot, and after a couple of months I get more garlics than I planted and i can dig them up and get the soil off them and store them, and it’s a lot of time and work.

    I can get fucking huge perfect garlics, cheaper, delivered to my door by Tesco, flown in a plane halfway round the planet from China.

    How is it possible ?

    Because of the difference between the currencies. Nobody can make a living growing garlics as a gardener in UK. You’d have to do it on a huge agribusiness scale with hitech and a lot of machines and fossil fuel energy. But in China…

    If the real cost was paid for air transport and the damage to the environment, and if the £ wasn’t held up by all kinds of trickery…

    etc, etc.

    @ Rob

    We are in complete agreement, for a change.

    Overwhelmed

  • @Woodsdweller

    Fabulous Script! Thanks!

    It should just be a simple feature to toggle on and off on every blog. Followed the instructions works like a dream!

    It should be called “Concern Trolls Be Gone”!

    High Five


  • You write: “And as you will notice, the insightful ones have all drifted away from NBL.”

    I see you’re still here.

    Lack of insight?

    Many things I do not know and many things I do know (but could be wrong), and still, many things I do not know but I could know and many things I cannot know – and many things I don’t know which is which.

    First, what or who is the “I” – the “awareness” behind the “awareness of” as in awareness of knowing and awareness of not knowing? Everything else is secondary.

    Today, if it does in fact exist, it will disrupt some human population patterns, but overall, pray mightily for global warming…

    Forecasts suggest that that prayer may indeed be answered. Could an additional prayer for the avoidance of unintended and ignored (though not unforeseen) consequences be in order?

    You WILL SEE that all the dire predictions (and more) will be coming true in your lifetime

    Unless one is certain of the remaining duration of that lifetime, it is quite a presumption.

  • Arctic Temperatures Highest in at Least 44,000 Years


    …New research shows that average summer temperatures in the Canadian Arctic over the last century are the highest in the last 44,000 years, and perhaps the highest in 120,000 years.

    “The key piece here is just how unprecedented the warming of Arctic Canada is,”…

    Miller and his colleagues gauged Arctic temperatures by looking at gas bubbles trapped in ice cores … They paired this with radiocarbon dating of clumps of moss taken from a melting ice cap on Canada’s Baffin Island. Their analysis shows that these plants have been trapped in the ice for at least 44,000 years, and perhaps as long as 120,000 years …

    “And it is really in the past 20 years that the warming signal from that region has been just stunning,” he added. “All of Baffin Island is melting, and we expect all of the ice caps to eventually disappear, even if there is no additional warming.”

  • I’m waiting for a report that says: “We have a feedback creating a feedback on a feedback.” Could this mess,we’ve created,be any more exciting? I guess Fukushima might make us forget about future human extinction.Extinction could be “Right Here,Right Now.”

    I can see Fukushima from the sand dunes in Florence,OR. lol

    While so many are looking at their situations & trying to decide what their next move might be,I’m Alive & Loving Every Minute of It.

  • TR Says:
    October 24th, 2013 at 7:53 pm
    “I’m waiting for a report that says: “We have a feedback creating a feedback on a feedback.” Could this mess,we’ve created,be any more exciting? I guess Fukushima might make us forget about future human extinction.Extinction could be “Right Here,Right Now.”
    I can see Fukushima from the sand dunes in Florence,OR. lol
    While so many are looking at their situations & trying to decide what their next move might be,I’m Alive & Loving Every Minute of It.”

    If you would bother reading Guy’s writings, you’d see that he’s totally in favor of being alive and loving every minute of it. As are the vast majority of people posting here. But i doubt you’re here to actually find out anything. Just like the Dean of Trolling.

    ulvfugl Says:
    October 24th, 2013 at 3:29 pm

    “TIAA wants to embrace all comers regardless. Well, ideally perhaps that’s how ‘love’ should work, but in practical terms, we have, and will have, a triage situation, and will have to decide and make choices. I only have so much time and energy, and I can either spend it on worthwhile schemes, projects, people, or worthless ones.”

    Well-put!! Some people are clearly here for one reason only, to use personal attacks in order to disrupt. I have no intention of embracing them.

  • Jeff S.,
    Do you think that it’s impossible for a couple of feedback loops to suddenly affect another feedback loop that creates an even worse situation? Do experts know? Do you think that it’s impossible for Fukushima to create a global disaster?

    I did not criticize or make any negative statements about anyone on NBL or YOU.

    JeffS. says:
    “If you would bother reading Guy’s writings,” ,”But i doubt you’re here to actually find out anything.”,”Just like the Dean of Trolling.”,

    “Some people are clearly here for one reason only, to use personal attacks in order to disrupt.”
    Now,that’s special!

    Would you call making statements about individuals, who you know nothing about,TROLLING?

    Now come on,give us a big hug & let’s move on.

  • @ ulvfugl

    “it’s you experiencing, harmonizing with, being conscious of, your own life force.”

    yes, this is what i experienced this summer that changed my whole understanding of spirituality. actually i had experienced this all along and still do, but i was finally able to remove great gobs of mental confusion that had been distracting me from this experience of what i am, this “life force.” ayahuasca is a most helpful medicine.

    @ Badlands

    thanks for the encouragement. i will not master the guitar nor my voice, but i will have fun and hopefully, eventually, i will play it well enough so that i don’t annoy other people nearby. and i will sing my heart out, and that feels good.

    speaking of singing one’s heart out, here is one of my favorite bards, David Gray:

  • Vampire grows garlic. Lives to tell about it. 🙂

  • check this out:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGxFJ5nL9gg#t=345

    Russell Brand vs. Jeremy Paxman on Newsnight 2013

  • Rob continues to vent that: TIAA: because Guy chooses to not moderate comments on this blog, it’s pretty much anything goes. UFOs, crop circles, JFK conspiracy, 911 truthers, FEMA camps, Illuminati, etc…

    Rob, are you fixated by laboring on incessantly (ex. woe onto me, and the above garbage). I have instructed you repeatedly to stop categorizing subjects that have no bearing to one another. You reference all sorts of crap that I have never seen posted to this site, and you attempt through association to ridicule the UFO phenomenon ( this fallacious approach a Red herring). If you wish to challenge the veracity of the evidence, than bring it on otherwise move onto something new and inspiring, although I do owe you of sorts by encouraging me to continue posting.

  • @Rob It’s all cool Rob. Thank you for that! Hey, you should read ‘Notes From The Underground’, you might see where I was coming from, though I promise no more ‘creative’ joke-making…

    @ulvfugl Hey, you’ve been hacked, haha!

  • @ F. Klink:

    I have yet to see any of your UFO posts relate to NTE… ??

    I simply don’t think THIS is the blog for UFO discussion – just my opinion, it doesn’t matter one bit.

    On Everything Else:

    Life on Earth is precarious at best. Sun Flares, meteors, super volcanos, etc (even potential Alien Invasions), are all possible, even probable, even CERTAIN given long enough time-frame. And, eventually, the moon will drift off into space and our sun will burn out and all will be forgotten.

    It’s raining in Fukushima.

  • Tom, considering NTE, don’t you think it’s a little late for a faux revolution ? Don’t you think Russell Brand is yet another Brand for our consumption ? It’s all so transparently laughable. Sargent Grant Schreiber is correct. It’s all comical now. How can you not laugh, unless you’re not ticklish, and some aren’t ?

    They’re such fanboys at RI. Their latest that they’ve been fawning over is this Russell Brand dork. He’s just another talking fucking head….but one that’s branded (haha) perfectly for their edification. This guy’s an obvious opportunist cashing in on a niche, and the goobs at RI and all those like them eat this bullshit up every bit as much as the so-called conservatives they decry eat the shit flung to them by Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity and the dozen other so-called conservative pundits cashing in on the outrage gravy train.

    http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=36600

    They are so pathetically disgusting in their fawning. It shows how spineless and weak the lot of them are. They’re a bunch of sinecures waiting for others to bring about a revolution they really don’t want and couldn’t handle. Enter Russell Brand to fit that description for fame and riches.

    http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=36600&start=60#p525727

    Look at all those mainstream publications playing him, and this, up. Using words like “revolution.” You and I both know, if a revolution’s televised, it’s not a revolution. Any real revolution, as if that’s even possible at this point, eschews, nay obliterates, the notion of televised coverage. It helps that he looks like he could star in Jesus Christ Superstar. Don’t think this vain prick didn’t think about that….he and his PR staff.

    I should have known, this Russell Brand is a recovering addict. That angle is so overwrought, but man does it play to this revolution-yearning crowd. If he truly was an addict, like the ones I’ve known and do know in my life, this is not a proper way to atone for the pain and suffering he’s inflicted on all those who have loved and cared for him. I speak from experience on this, addicts ride toboggans down Psychopathy Hill (think Blueberry with a sinister twist), graduating from habitual liar and petty klepto to full blown sociopathy and ultimately, if they survive this long, to psychopathy. It’s a slow motion path of destruction, and if you happen to be caught in that path, you will be run over by it. They deserve nothing more than a Valley of The Lepers. Harsh, I know, but that’s what tough love requires. He’s engaging in the same behavior, in effect, he did as an addict. It’s feeding his self-absorption every bit as much as the drugs. Fame, like God in the twelve step program, is a poor substitute for what ails them and doesn’t address the core of their issue which is their inability to think of anyone but themselves and their satisfaction and fulfillment.

    http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=37360#p525690

    Russell Brand is now 38. To me, a large and fascinating part of his recovery from addiction has been his ongoing and inspiringly successful attempt to combine an unstoppable delight in the simple good things in life with the development of some more arduous pleasures and fulfilments, such as the pleasure & fulfilment of taking real risks and doing the right thing.

    I’m going to go all Valley Girl and say, “gag me with a spoon.”

  • Tom, considering NTE, don’t you think it’s a little late for a faux revolution ? Don’t you think Russell Brand is yet another Brand for our consumption ? It’s all so transparently laughable. Sargent Grant Schreiber is correct. It’s all comical now. How can you not laugh, unless you’re not ticklish, and some aren’t ?

    They’re such fanboys at RI. Their latest that they’ve been fawning over is this Russell Brand dork. He’s just another talking fucking head….but one that’s branded (haha) perfectly for their edification. This guy’s an obvious opportunist cashing in on a niche, and the goobs at RI and all those like them eat this bullshit up every bit as much as the so-called conservatives they decry eat the shit flung to them by Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity and the dozen other so-called conservative pundits cashing in on the outrage gravy train.

    http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=36600

  • They are so pathetically disgusting in their fawning. It shows how spineless and weak the lot of them are. They’re a bunch of sinecures waiting for others to bring about a revolution they really don’t want and couldn’t handle. Enter Russell Brand to fit that description for fame and riches.

    http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=36600&start=60#p525727

    Look at all those mainstream publications playing him, and this, up. Using words like “revolution.” You and I both know, if a revolution’s televised, it’s not a revolution. Any real revolution, as if that’s even possible at this point, eschews, nay obliterates, the notion of televised coverage. It helps that he looks like he could star in Jesus Christ Superstar. Don’t think this vain prick didn’t think about that….he and his PR staff.

  • I know that’s three posts, but it’s really one topic split into three because of the three links.

    I should have known, this Russell Brand is a recovering addict. That angle is so overwrought, but man does it play to this revolution-yearning crowd. If he truly was an addict, like the ones I’ve known and do know in my life, this is not a proper way to atone for the pain and suffering he’s inflicted on all those who have loved and cared for him. I speak from experience on this, addicts ride toboggans down Psychopathy Hill (think Blueberry with a sinister twist), graduating from habitual liar and petty klepto to full blown sociopathy and ultimately, if they survive this long, to psychopathy. It’s a slow motion path of destruction, and if you happen to be caught in that path, you will be run over by it. They deserve nothing more than a Valley of The Lepers. Harsh, I know, but that’s what tough love requires. He’s engaging in the same behavior, in effect, he did as an addict. It’s feeding his self-absorption every bit as much as the drugs. Fame, like God in the twelve step program, is a poor substitute for what ails them and doesn’t address the core of their issue which is their inability to think of anyone but themselves and their satisfaction and fulfillment.

    http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=37360#p525690

    Russell Brand is now 38. To me, a large and fascinating part of his recovery from addiction has been his ongoing and inspiringly successful attempt to combine an unstoppable delight in the simple good things in life with the development of some more arduous pleasures and fulfilments, such as the pleasure & fulfilment of taking real risks and doing the right thing.

    I’m going to go all Valley Girl and say, “gag me with a spoon.”

  • Dismantling most of the nuclear reactors won’t take many, many decades. It’s another trick Guy uses. Emphasizing the worst and then imposing that on the whole. Most nucpear r3actors can be decommissioned in about a decade. A few take longer. So we’re not truly talking about 400 reactors going critical. We’re talking about a handful or so.

  • I’ve posted a new essay, courtesy of Ray Jason. It’s here.

  • Incorrect. I challenge you to show me where I lied. Your above statement in no way conflicts with what I wrote.

    I said that you emphasized the worst possible outcomes, and imposed that on the whole of the situation. It’s logically invalid. That’s exactly what you did.

    Your rebuttal is to mention a single site. That makes absolutely no sense whatsover.

    There is not 400 nuclear reactors that would need 60 years to decommission. There are a few here and there. Quit lying, or take a course in logic.

  • The plans of the Nuclear Decommissioning Authority for decommissioning reactors have an average 50 year time frame

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_decommissioning

  • Strange, my last comment has yet to show up.

    The onus is on you to back your statement. You first mention there are 400 nuclear reactors. Then you emphasize the timeline of one to decommission, which is 60 years. You then use this as proof to make the statement that we don’t have enough time to decommission the 400 nuclear reactors.

    As is, the statement is seemingly true, yet terribly misleading, and omitting pertinent information. You’re attempting to paint a picture in which all 400 reactors would go into meltdown, because there’s not enough time to decommission them. That’s not correct. Each individual reactor, at each individual site, has different circumstances. They each have a differing timeline for decommission.

    So you can’t reasonably conclude that ALL 400 reactors will go into meltdown. What you can say is that at least the one you mentioned couldn’t be decommissioned in time. That’s it. If you have data on each one which states their timeline for decommission, then you can make a reasonable assumption. As is, it’s cherry picking, and dishonest.

  • @uf

    “DECON (Decontamination). In DECON, all components and structures that are radioactive are cleaned or dismantled, packaged, and shipped to a low-level waste disposal site or they are stored temporarily on site. Once this task—which takes five or more years—is completed and the NRC terminates the plant’s license, that portion of the site can be reused for other purposes. Facilities using DECON: Fermi 1, Zion 1 and 2.”

    “SAFSTOR (Safe Storage). In SAFSTOR, the nuclear plant is kept intact and placed in protective storage for up to 60 years. This method, which involves locking the part of the plant that containss radioactive materials and monitoring it with an on-site security force, uses time as a decontaminating agent by allowing the radioactive components to decay to stable elements. For example, if a plant is allowed to sit idle for 30 years, the radioactivity from cobalt 60 will be reduced to 1/50th of its original level; after 50 years, the radioactivity will be about 1/1,000th of its original level. Once radioactivity has decayed to lower levels, the unit is taken apart, similar to DECON. Facilities using SAFSTOR: Dresden 1, Indian Point 1, LaCrosse, Peach Bottom 1, San Onofre ”

    The question is, which sites must use safstor, and which ones can use decon? How many, exactly, must use the safstor method?

    http://www.nei.org/Master-Document-Folder/Backgrounders/Fact-Sheets/Decommissioning-Nuclear-Energy-Facilities

  • Incorrect, Guy. Sereral have been decommissioned in the US.

    This link makes that perfectly clear:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_decommissioning#North_America

  • So you admit that several nuclear sites have been dismantled, and even demolished. Their radioactive material has been placed at other facilities, and for the purpose of discussion is relatively harmless. They pose little, to no threat in the case of the electricity going off.

    You must also have to admit, then, that you are misleading people. You are choosing to paint a picture that is false. These sites would NOT go into meltdown, because many don’t even exist anymore. Furthermore, the above linked method which takes far less than 60 years, some even as few as 5, could be GOOD ENOUGH to not be affected by the threat of a permanent power failure.

    The truth remains, if we absolutely needed to place the radioactive material into safe containment, we could do so in less than a decade, for most, if not nearly all of these sites. You have repeatedly said that there is not enough time to prevent these 400 nuclear sites from going into meltdown in the face of the problems we face. You can’t reasonably say this. At all.

  • What you’re doing is in fact, changing the goal-posts, and lying by omission.

  • I’m breaking the rule to say that I am adhering to the 2 comment rule from now on, and not going to comment further. Thanks to Guy for deleting the posts which faked my identity.

    muffleupagus, I’d direct your attention to Hanford. Still there, still leaking, still nobody knows what to do about it.

    Quite apart from the time it takes to disassemble reactors – which in UK it seems always takes much longer and costs vastly more that we are told beforehand by the industry and by Gvt. – there is the problem of what to do with both the low level and high level waste, which has, afaik, so far not been solved, anywhere, by anybody, except possibly in Finland where they are still working on a deep underground storage facility.

    Even assuming no meltdowns, in the event of social collapse, who is going to do the decommissioning, where is all the equipment and technical expertise going to come from ? Who is going to monitor this crap for centuries ? especially the ones near sea level that are going to be submerged ?

    I know you personally don’t accept NTE and have your own odd view of the future, but for us who do, when we look at the experience of Chernobyl and Fukushima and all the other near miss disasters, it’s easy to imagine that several meltdowns happening in the USA, 2, 3, 4, would easily overwhelm any ability to respond and contain them effectively, even with today’s level of competence, let alone in some future that is even more dysfunctional.