Presenting in Three Rivers and Fresno, California

My latest attempt at stand-up tragedy is embedded below. It’s based on my 5 October 2013 presentation in Three Rivers, California. My presentation is about 30 minutes, and subsequent Q&A accounts for the remaining 40 minutes or so. Big thanks to my hosts and videographers, Wendi Morrison and Keith Merritt.

A brief overview of my time in Three Rivers is humorously illustrated in the following video, also courtesy of Wendi and Keith.

On 6 October 2013, I spoke at a “March Against Monsanto” pep rally, a precursor to the 12 October 2013 nationwide march. The result is embedded below.


My latest essay for The Good Men Project was posted yesterday: Expressing Our Humanity As We Drown In It.

Wednesday, 16 October 2013, 6:00 p.m., Visual Arts Complex Auditorium, Colorado University, Boulder, Colorado, How Do We Act in the Face of Climate Chaos? Description here.

Boulder Colorado October 2013

Saturday, 19 October 2013, Boulder, Colorado. Workshop. Details forthcoming.

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  • Seasons in the sun

    Saying goodbye takes on an entirely different aspect when the survivors are headed to an even more hellish end. And when, in the end, there will be no one to say goodbye to. Something along the experiences of some Native American / First Nations tribes.

  • Guy, Have you seen put out by Thom Hartmann? It’s interesting a somewhat more mainstream person is putting out this type of information.

  • Ross Worthington, I’ve seen Last Hours. A few people are catching up to reality.

  • Some might be interested in forum exchange starting about here:

  • I was so pleased to see Thom Hartmann’s project “” come to fruition. That’s the first action I’ve seen taken by a more widely viewed and listened to broadcaster. That should help “wake people up”… though I won’t hold my breath. I think we’re going to see the “E” word more often when it comes news pertaining to to Climate-Change/Collapse. Especially, when things begin to unravel very soon at an exponential rate.

  • that was a funny story about the elderly new zealand heckler who called u a fucker and flipped u the bird (i wonder if it was a wlfbird?), guy. maybe once u accumulate enough material u can take your show on the road as the stand up comic of doom, dooooooooooooooom, i say! (mad cackling)

    ‘act… as if it matters’

    guy, if i did that i’m afraid i’d have to kill myself. as would probably several other nbl regs. might be a good idea, but i’m a coward with a raging survival instinct or fear of dying (maybe both). but, if one isn’t convinced it matters, is, in fact, convinced almost of the opposite (that it surely doesn’t matter ‘big picture’ wise), acting as if it matters, considering the consequences, isn’t appealing enough to overcome the lack of faith in the dogma ‘it matters’. or so it’s so very easy to rationalize.

    lovely devastatingly accurate summation in very few ‘sound bite’ words of much of what’s happening in amerikkka today in the 39th minute of the top video (beginning around 38 minutes in). overall, i’d say this video/talk is another triumph. the audience intimacy and participation was great. u’re living a dream in the midst of this nightmare, as i see it. kind of like making lemonade from lemons, only better/worse.

  • Interesting more for its source than its (unsurprising) content:

    From Marketwatch:

    Climate report proves humans are the new dinosaurs

    Today humans are the new dinosaurs, the next species slated for extinction, warn 2,000 United Nations scientists. Soon. … Not millions of years in the future, but this century. … Everybody on Earth is in denial about our biggest problem … population growth. Too many new babies, a net of 75 million a year. … Thousands of scientists have brilliant technical solutions to reducing the impact of global warming. But avoid the root cause. They keep solving the dependent variables in their climate-change science equation. But population growth is the cause of the Earth’s problem, not the result.

  • Dear Guy,

    Fantastic article, and good to see you finally fessing up to the real source for your science…Nanu-nanu. Heh. No one, I mean no one let Carol Newquist in on our little secret though, k?

    Speaking of, dear Bradhp,

    thanks for the link, creeped on by the Red Queen herself. Talk about going down the rabbit hole. Tea anyone?

  • we have time until 2047 and maybe until 2069 they figured now so it is no worry for a while

  • But population growth is the cause of the Earth’s problem, not the result.

    Population growth is secondary to increase in net energy available through the fossil fuel bonanza, including eating fossil fuels. Sliding down the net energy cliff, the population numbers would follow. Except that now climate change is poised to eliminate habitat for humanity (and a helluva lot of other species) first and faster than evolutionary adaptation; and on a scale and with a severity beyond energy-intensive technological fixes in an era of increasing paucity of energy.

  • @ Queenie

    In the previous thread

    Love has changed the world more than anger, more than hate.

    Just a thought, but I can’t think of any example from the last two thousand years of history where love has made any noticeable impact or impression at all. Perhaps someone can suggest examples ? Seems to me the major drivers have been lust for power, and technology.

    @ TIAA

    In the previous thread you said

    Why yes, I needed another perspective on how man, after squeezing every last drop of sanity from the natural world, tries to make his own sanity in his artificial world. What do you think I think about that?

    I don’t know what you think about that. It’s a series of documentaries, stories about the lives of hundreds and hundreds of millions of people, through the last hundred years.

    One of the oddest points that struck me, was, with regard to my conversation with mo flow about Tiller. A century ago we had Trotsky, saying almost word for word what Tiller says in his video, that a NEW SCIENCE will liberate and change EVERYTHING… and all that happened, in retrospect, was yet another great big fuck up.

    @ the virgin terry

    Erm, you seem a little confused. Why would I have that attitude to Guy, when I agree with him on just about everything ? And, the geography. I’m sort of in Europe, which is as far away from New Zealand as is America. It is certain that I shall never visit either place.


    I wrote something for xray mike.

  • on the collapse of the large institutions holding things together and how climate change may destroy them

    Cost of flood insurance rises, along with worries – ‘The flood insurance program is one big storm away from not existing at all’

    MIAMI (The New York Times) — Sharp increases in federal flood insurance rates are distressing coastal homeowners from Hawaii to New England and are starting to hurt property values and housing sales in areas just beginning to recover from the recession, according to residents and legislators.

    In recent weeks, the hefty flood insurance rate increases brought about by a 2012 law have stoked widespread alarm and uncertainty, prompting rallies, petitions and concern among state governors. Mississippi has sued the federal government to try to block the law. The issue has even garnered the attention of lawmakers, otherwise mired in the acrimonious government shutdown. A bipartisan group of senators and House members from Gulf Coast states are pressing for significant adjustments to the law once the Capitol returns to normal.

    The law, officially known as the Biggert-Waters Flood Insurance Reform Act, is being rolled out in stages, with a major part having gone into effect on Oct 1. It removes subsidies that keep federal flood insurance premiums artificially low for more than a million policy holders around the country — a discount that was applied to properties that existed before the drawing of flood insurance rate maps.

    An estimated 20 percent of the property owners with federal flood insurance received these subsidies as the new law went into effect, and their premiums will rise, in some cases precipitously, either now, over the next several years or whenever they sell their properties. The exact amount of the increase depends on the home’s elevation above flood level.

    Approved by Congress in July 2012 as part of a wide-ranging transportation bill, the Biggert-Waters Act was intended to regain control of an increasingly unsustainable National Flood Insurance Program. The subsidies within that program, in the view of critics, encouraged development in risky areas and led to costly claims after catastrophic events, payouts that were borne largely by those paying market rates.

    But the effort to stabilize the program means changing rules that have guided development in flood plains for decades. Some property owners, including business owners and those who bought property after July 6, 2012, are shocked to be facing potential tenfold premium increases or, in some cases, significant losses to the value of their homes.

    Property owners in the Northeast first confronted the changes as they contemplated rebuilding in the wake of Hurricane Sandy last year. But owners of flood-prone properties elsewhere are just tuning in to the changes, with many still unclear how they will be affected.

    “The homeowners and business owners simply cannot withstand these gargantuan hikes,” said Senator Bill Nelson, a Florida Democrat and member of the bipartisan group of lawmakers pushing a bill to delay the increase. “There is a lot of panic about this.”

    Still, in recent years, costly flooding disasters, including Hurricane Sandy, have left the program $25 billion in debt, a situation that will most likely worsen because of climate change and coastal overdevelopment. And almost everyone involved agrees that the issue is not whether to change the program, but how to soften the impact on those hit hardest by the cost increases.

    “The flood insurance program is one big storm away from not existing at all,” said Steve Ellis, the vice president of Taxpayers for Common Sense, a nonprofit group that has long pushed for changes in the program. The group has suggested some measures to help those affected by the new law but insists that delays would only make problems worse. “There’s a lot of talk about fairness,” Mr. Ellis said, “but I would argue that it’s not necessarily fair that some people are paying full risk-based rates and other people aren’t.” (there’s more)

  • Another great, concise, accurate talk indicating the near future of the world and climate change by Guy.

    Lately my wife, an accountant, has been concerned with the state of the economy (she hears my rants regarding climate change all the time and i think she’s starting to at least entertain the thought that our future isn’t as rosy as the MSM and most of the people we know would like us to believe). i found this piece this morning and thought i’d share it with anyone else interested here. In addition to recent remarks by China wanting the world economy to be “de-Americanised” and the world currency to change from the dollar, we have this video (transcript below) from a former member of the World Bank.

    ‘Congress all bribed, has zero confidence in eyes of American people’ – World Bank whistleblower

    The US government shutdown – a temporary ailment or a symptom of a grave disease? Are the Republicans right in their move to block Obamacare spending? Who gains from the shutdown turmoil? Do the politicians care about their citizens? Our guest comes from the very heart of the banking system: Karen Hudes was World Bank lawyer when she blew the whistle on major corruption cases in the system and was fired as a result.

    Sophie Shevardnadze: Our guest today is whistleblower Karen Hudes, former senior counsel at the World Bank. Karen, it’s great to have you on a show today.

    Karen Hudes: Thanks for having me. Sophie, I’m glad to be with you.

    SS: So, the government shutdown. Is the move on the part of the Republicans justified? Is fighting off Obamacare worth all this mess?

    KH: I think there is something more going on behind the scenes. A lot more, actually.

    SS: What do you mean?

    KH: Well, there is terrible currency problem. We’re on the verge of the currency war. The Federal Reserve is printing dollars like there is no tomorrow, and if they keep going, the rest of the world is not going to accept them. As it is, the BRICS countries – Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa – have decided that they are going to finance the trade among these countries with assets and pay for the difference in gold. And this is the right move for them…

    SS: But how is that connected with a shutdown though?

    KH: The US Congress has been fighting with the presidency, because the presidency have been in total contempt, and the highest legal officer of the United States government has also been in contempt of Congress in fighting this international corruption that is ruining the dollar as an international reserve currency.

    SS: But you know, economists have been predicting the dollar will fall ever since the crisis in 2008. But the Government has managed to keep it afloat.

    KH: Well, not for long. If you look at what’s going in the gold and other precious metals markets, silver as well, we’re headed towards something called “permanent gold backwardation”- that means there is a loss in confidence in the fiat currencies that are issued by those private banks. They like to consider themselves as ‘public banks’ but they really are owned by private entities. And these currencies are about to crash because they are valueless, that’s what always happens to paper currencies that aren’t backed by assets.

    SS: Like you’ve mentioned – “gold backwardation”, gold is often chanted as perfectly safe investment and alternative to the dollar, even. But how come the price of gold is falling?

    KH: Because of market manipulation – but that can only continue for so long because the Central Banks are running out of gold and the rest of the world are lining up to buy them. If you want to buy gold today, you have to pay a premium. What they are offering in the future is called ‘a naked short’. They don’t have the gold to back those offers, that’s illegal what they are doing.

    SS: I will get back to gold in a bit. But for now I would like to focus on Obamacare. In your opinion, is Obamacare really that crucial for the US economy?

    KH: What you have is something that’s very good for the medical insurers because most of the other countries that offer medical coverage do this through a single issuer. And that’s not what we have here. What we have here is a bill that was drafted by the medical insurance companies. It’s not good for this economy. It never was.

    SS: Why do you say it’s not good?

    KH: Because what’s happening is that workers that worked full-time are being put deliberately on part-time basis, so that the companies can avoid giving the medical insurance coverage under the provisions of the law.

    SS: You know this Obamacare thing.. I’ve heard it many times being compared to Socialism, Communism sometimes even. Do you trace the resemblance?

    KH: That’s just because the mainstream media, when they report about what’s going on, are doing it by telling lies and anything that’s good for the powers that be. The mainstream media is completely owned and controlled by the same companies, private companies that own the Federal Reserve System. Most of the American citizens are clueless about the corruption that’s rifling their economy.

    SS: But just to make sure – are you saying that everything about Obamacare is bad? Or are there good things about it?

    KH: No, of course, there are good things about it. But the problem is that the people that wanted to get up decent coverage were not given the tools, they were not given the equipment, they were not given the press coverage – the honest press coverage, that society needs to enact just legislation. The Congress people are all bribed by these corrupt forces and the American citizens have zero confidence in their Congress.

    SS: So, at this point you side with the Republicans for blocking the medicare.

    KH: I’m not siding with Democrats or Republicans, because both of those parties have been co-opted by these terrible corrupt forces I’m talking about.

    SS: What we have right now is Americans being forced to get health insurance. How does it go with their love of liberties and freedom of choice?

    KH: It’s not so much a question of being forced; you have to look at those parts of the society that have been thrown under the bus. The uneducated children, who are not given superior education, like we used to have. We are society that is giving short shrift to the people that need us. I’m not saying that we ignore the health needs of our country. I’m saying that we ignore the mainstream media, because they are not telling us the truth.

    SS: You know, I’ve also heard Obama supporters argue that the American Capitalism is on the verge of death in its present form, the way it is existing now, and the social injections, meaning the medical care and Obamacare, are needed as the only way to reform it or save it. Do you agree or disagree with that?

    KH: The problem is not with the American citizens, they are a wonderful group, their values are good. It’s just that they are not given the tools that they need to have a just society. They are not given the basic information about what is really going on and who is benefiting from the economies that they are being told… they are being told that they have no money, they have taken an entire city, Detroit, and declared it bankrupt. When what’s actually happening is their tax dollars are not even staying in the society, their tax dollars are going by treaty to the United Kingdom, and then they are being transferred to the Vatican, to the bank of the Vatican. This is not a society that is going to be sustainable on any basis, for any reason.

    SS: Do you feel like American economy is picking up because we hear President Obama saying the shutdown hurts American economy but at the very sensitive moment, word is it has just started to catch up. Do you feel like it’s catching up really?

    KH: Those numbers about the employment are completely fabricated because they are not counting those people who have given up ever finding a job as unemployed. That’s ridiculous! The real rate is just about double what they reported as being.

    SS: So the American debt looks like a doomed patient. Is there any other possibility for it than just grow into eternity forever? I mean raising debt ceiling once or twice a year, what’s the problem?

    KH: The problem is actually when you talk about debt, is that our currency is financed by debt; our currency is issued by the Federal Reserve instead of the Treasury which is unconstitutional. When the Federal Reserve System was instituted in 1913 most of the Congress was on break, they sneaked that legislation through. So the debt is there simply for those bankers to put in interest on it and have it grow and compound every year. The debt is a fabrication, it’s probably should be repudiated. But it can be repudiated until you’ll have looked that all of the implications.

    SS: Do you think it’s going to go on and on forever?

    KH: No, what I think it’s going to happen is that at the upcoming Bretton Woods meeting on October 9th the countries of the world, the foreign ministers of the world are going to sit down and have a rational basis for currency rather than this fiat currency which is absolutely… what can I say, it makes no sense to anyone but the bankers that are issuing it.

    SS: So, when you look at the concept of the debt, it’s much more than just borrowing money – it makes you controllable. For example, in the case of US – who controls it, you mean the big corporations, or countries like China and Japan, who control large chunks of the debt?

    KH: Well, that’s a very good question and, fortunately, some mathematicians at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology have given us a very precise answer. They did a study of who owns and controls the companies on the capital markets – 43 000 companies. They found out that there is «a secret super-entity», they call it, that owns 60% of the earnings every year and 40% of the assets. They did this by putting the same people on the boards of these companies. So, they have ten times the economic power than there are entitled to. And they thought that none would catch them at it. This is a huge conglomerate that has been rigging the labor prices, it has been rigging all of the commodity’s prices, and it has been trading in the securities markets with the insider information. It has got to be stopped. It also bought up the media and has been lying to people deliberately. This is going to stop.

    SS: So just to answer my question – the government is controlled by the conglomerate or the corporations rather than countries that are up and coming economically, right? Why haven’t these corporations or conglomerate, as you call it, been caught? Why is nothing changing?

    KH: That’s the whole point about it. They’d like to think they are in control but they are not, they are not above the law. And we, citizens, know exactly what they are up to, we’ve been working on this problem, all of the governors of the States have been working on this terrible corruption, so have the Attorneys-General, so have the Sheriffs, and it’s not going to continue. The American people are taking back their government and they are stopping this terrible corruption.

    SS: As of today, the United States is a financial heart of the world. Whether it collapses or keeps on going, it’s obviously wrong – this much power is concentrated in one place. Asia is a rising monster right now; could it be stealing this financial role from the US? Do you think China, for example, could steal its financial role from the US? Or are they also controlled by that same financial elite you’re mentioning?

    KH: Well, I can tell you that the Jesuits have a very strong stranglehold on China as well but I can also tell you that the transition of economic strengths from the western countries to the east is going to happen, but it’s going to happen in a smooth way. It’s not going to be a transition through a currency war like that terrible corrupt group is trying to manipulate everyone into. No, we’re going to have a peaceful power transition this time around; we’re not going to have the World War III. They try to pull it off in Syria, they are now thinking they can pull it off in Iran, it’s not happening. The citizens of the world see what they are doing and we’re not letting them get away with it this time.

    SS: Foreign governments keep buying US Treasury bonds despite obvious problems US economy is facing. What’s making them do that, in your opinion?

    KH: I think the biggest market for the Federal Reserve notes is the US Treasury and there is a gut of dollars right now. But, yes, there is also a small market, unfortunately, the market is weakening as the dollar weakens because of all of this, what they call quantitative easing, where every month so many additional dollars are printed with absolutely no backing.

    SS: Should we be buying gold?

    KH: Well, yes and no, I think gold is probably a wise purchase right now, but more as insurance than investment, because there is actually a great deal of gold, there is even more gold than people know about. For example, the amount of gold in the deposit in the Bank of Hawaii is 170 000 tonnes, this is more than the World Gold Council says is available for all the gold on the Earth. People don’t know how much gold there is, there is a lot of gold.

    SS: Are you buying gold?

    KH: I did actually, yes. But not because it’s an investment, but because I’m not 100% certain that we’re going to get to act together before all of the paper fiat currency falls apart. So I see it as insurance, but because of the amount of gold that’s actually around in the world in deposit all over the world I’m not so sure it’s a great investment.

    SS: So you think the return to the gold standard is a realistic thing? It could be a possibility?

    KH: Well, actually, that’s not such a good thing. The currency ought to be backed by value, but there is no reason why it should be restricted to precious metals, it could be any of the commodities that are valuable. The important thing is that, yes, the currency should be backed by assets rather than by debt as we now have.

    SS: But if a financial collapse happens , let’s say, will gold be of any use? I mean, there is shortage of food, look at the world today, the biggest problem we’re facing is the clean drinking water. What gold is going to do about that?

    KH: First of all, I think that we’re going to manage to get our act together; I’m not expecting a collapse. Very accurate game-theory model is showing that we’re going to manage to make a transition in a very smooth way; maybe there’ll be a few fits and starts, but I think most of the countries in the world are in favor of working together and not to have a collapse. The only thing that you’re saying is that some of these crooks haven’t figured out, they haven’t seen the writing on the wall, they haven’t seen that we understand that there is a way to work together and avoid these problems, which are definitely avoidable.

    SS: So, Karen, you were a senior counsel at the World Bank. Tell me something, honest banking is this an oxymoron?

    KH: No, we have examples all over the place – in the United States, the state of North Dakota has its own state bank and many of the other states are looking at that – at the moment 22 other states are looking at it, and we’re urging the other 28 states to look at it. There was a bank in Amsterdam that, I think, went on for 300 years with no problem. We know how to do banking, it should be like infrastructure to support the economy, it shouldn’t be for the benefit of elites that think they are above the law as we currently have. If you look at the Bank for International Settlements (BIS) – that institution was established when the war reparations were being exacted from Germany after the World War I. That’s when it was started in 1930 and I believe its 60 central banks, that are members of the BIS – those are the corporates, those are the ones that really needs to go out of business.

    SS: You first blew the whistle over corruption in the World Bank. Tell us more about your revelations?

    KH: Well, that’s actually what happened: I was working in the Philippines and there was a bank… this was at the end of the East Asia financial crisis in the end of the 1990s. And the second largest bank in the Philippines, the Philippine National Bank, there was a loan to strengthen the banking sector and, what happened, that there was a man who own Philippine airlines, Lucio Tan, who ended up buying more than 10% of the shares of the Philippine National Bank without informing the security authorities in the Philippines – that was against the law. And then I told the person who was in charge of the World Bank Lending Program that they should tell the government of the Philippines that the conditions of the loan were not going to be met. And instead I was reassigned, and I didn’t accept that, so I went to the meeting, where it was decided whether or not to disburse the loan and I said that the board was not being informed that the conditions were not met. And then what happened was the loan wasn’t disbursed, but the people who had their money on deposit in that bank withdrew their money and the Philippine Deposit Insurance Corp. had to withdraw, had to back up the bank, for five hundred million dollars, and then we didn’t disburse our loan for two hundred million and the Japanese didn’t disburse their loan for two hundred million. So, that was nine hundred million dollars worth of a poor loan performance and when the evaluation department in the World Bank said that the World Bank had performed satisfactorily, I corrected that report and my correction was never given to the board. That was a cover up. You can’t have a cover up in a bank – that shows that money is going the wrong way. I’ve been working together with other whistleblowers at the World Bank, because we know that the board has to be informed about what’s actually going on. Other whistleblowers have reported double accounting, we reported this to the UK Parliament, I reported it to the European Parliament in 2011 and the European Parliament wrote the letter to the World Bank. I had a very detailed chronology – and the World Bank never responded. Then I’ve been reporting this to the US Congress and when the US Congress was asked to give a capital increase to the World Bank, they had asked for a government accountability office audit which never took place. I was reporting this to the International Organization of Supreme Audit institutions and then I asked the board to require KPMG to do an audit of the World Bank Internal Controls. KPMG did not follow the auditing standards, so I reported this to the public company accounting oversight board, I reported this to the SEC. But since the SEC couldn’t be bothered to sort out the insider trading for the Federal Reserve System, they certainly weren’t going to straighten out the bonds in the World Bank. So I bought a World Bank bond and I sued under the securities laws, and I also went to each and every Attorney-General in the States, and I told the States that they were responsible for making sure that there was accurate financial information going to the bond holders in their States, and I also went to the International Organization of the Securities Commissioners. So, the World Bank has got to be brought into compliance and there has to be transparency in the capital markets, and the insider training of the Federal Reserve System is going to be history in short order.

    SS: Do you feel safe after all these leaks, I mean you were fired?

    KH: You know I have been working with some very wonderful whistleblowers; in particular, I’d like to mention Mark Novitsky who has been reporting about insider trading and inaccurate financial reporting for Teletech, which is a company that had been spying on American citizens. So, when whistleblowers work together, and compare notes and share information you get a very accurate picture. In addition, I’d like to mention Larry Harrison, who has been my PR guy. So when you have people who you’re working with it’s not so easy to shut the whistleblowers down, we just gain in strength. We‘re going from strength to strength.

    SS: Do you feel like you are being heard? Is anything changing?

    KH: Well, that’s what I like to ask your audience.

    SS: Do you feel like anything changing in the system by whistleblowing on it?

    KH: Yes, I absolutely do. I think the number of people they are hearing my message and that are looking into this information, and every day they are sending me e-mails. They are going out and they are getting their neighbors to find out what’s really going on. I don’t think this mainstream media is going to have too big of an audience at the rate we’re going.

    SS: There are liberty movements that are actually picking up now, the likes of Bitcoin, for example. Can they ever grow into a solid rival to the conventional system?

    KH: I think they’re going to be a force to be reckoned with, yes. It’s a matter of fact. There are other similar kinds of payment systems that are now gaining currency. Yes, I think we’re going to have a world where there’s a lot of choice and the legal tender is not going to be used to put people into debt and to imprison them.

    SS: Are you using a Bitcoin as of now?

    KH: That’s a good question. I’m trying to learn how. There is a conference that is taking place and I’m going to try to get myself sorted out on that.

    SS: Karen, thank you very much for your time. That’s all for today. Our guest was a former insider at the World Bank, ex-senior counsel Karen Hudes. Thanks for watching and we will see next time here in SophieCo.

  • @ bradhp

    Some might be interested in forum exchange starting about here:

    Isn’t ‘Carol Newquist’ a pseudonym for the person who also goes under very many other pseudonyms, and who has trolled this blog on many occasions, usually known here as ‘morocco bama’ ?

  • Thanks, Guy. What a sweet, mellow and joyful talk that was. Tragicomedy. It also tightened up the issues for me…and made my task more difficult. :-) Talk about daunting! One has to be fond of tilting at windmills!…

  • Thanks, Guy. One segment i liked, btw, came around the 11 minute mark, where you state that those who haven’t gotten to know Mary Jane are missing out, “she’s awesome.” !!!

    Tom Says:
    October 14th, 2013 at 5:04 am
    “Another great, concise, accurate talk indicating the near future of the world and climate change by Guy.

    Lately my wife, an accountant, has been concerned with the state of the economy (she hears my rants regarding climate change all the time and i think she’s starting to at least entertain the thought that our future isn’t as rosy as the MSM and most of the people we know would like us to believe). i found this piece this morning and thought i’d share it with anyone else interested here. In addition to recent remarks by China wanting the world economy to be “de-Americanised” and the world currency to change from the dollar, we have this video (transcript below) from a former member of the World Bank…….”

    What follows from this former World Bank official is little more than a promotion of Modern Money Theory, a snake oil medicine which is being advanced as a solution, as if changing the form of money will solve anything. Money itself is the problem! From a friend of mine whose name just happens to be very similar to mine:-)

  • Sharing this all over because it is just too good.

    Went for a hike yesterday and was almost ill to see a couple being professionally photographed in front of a MASSIVE cottonwood down by Rapid Creek that had been split in half and downed during the blizzard. It was a very impressive sight, indeed, but not in a good way. Come on people, wtf!

  • Dear Ulvfugl,

    Yep, my sentiments exactly. No man in history has gotten it. He does not know and cannot feel, it’s our current marker as humans, something man via the patriarch drove home with killer instinct. So it is one helluva what up. Our natural instinct thoroughly trashed by man, and too late it seems to dig through all the bad garbage to good again.

    Dear Badlands, thanks for that dose of reality, reality is the spirit huh? And love. Two things that are simply not tolerated in the civilization of man.

  • For the few who don’t know who Ron Shock was here is a small taste.

  • Plant no crops, build no cities.

    Run wild and free – until you can no longer.

    This is from 2004:

    The best part:
    9. Save human knowledge. When people of this age think about knowledge worth saving, they usually think about belief in the Cartesian mechanical philosophy, that dead matter is the basis of reality, and about techniques for rebuilding and using machines that dominate and separate us from other life. I’d like that knowledge to die forever, but I don’t think it works that way. Humans or any other hyper-malleable animal will always be tempted by the Black Arts, by techniques that trade subtle harm for flashy good and feed back into themselves, seducing us into power, corruption, and blindness.

    [It’s a cheap shot to project the worst potential of technology on technology in general, which can be used to turn inward or look outward, to contract our consciousness or expand it.]

    Our descendants will need the intellectual artifacts to avoid this — artifacts we have barely started to develop even as the Great Bad Example begins to fall. In 200 years, when they are brushing seeds into baskets with their fingers, and a stranger appears with a new threshing machine that will do the same thing with less time and effort, they will need to say something smarter than “the Gods forbid it” or “that is not our Way.” They will need the knowledge to say something like:

    [I don’t want to be like Carlos Castaneda, presenting metaphor and fiction as serious scholarship. The below paragraph is one of the better things I’ve written, but it’s metaphor and fiction, and I have to ruin it. People with the scientific understanding, the broad perspective, and the military power to resist an ecologically destructive neighboring society, will themselves be at a relatively high level of social and technological complexity.]

    “Your machine requires the seed to be planted alone and not interspersed with perennials that maintain nitrogen and mineral balance in the soil. And from where will the metal come, and how many trees must be cut down and burned to melt and shape it? And since we cannot build the machine, shall we be dependent on the machine-builders, and give them a portion of our food, which we now keep all for ourselves? Do you not know, clever stranger, that when any biomass is removed from the land, and not recycled back into it, the soil is weakened? And what could we do with our “saved” time, that would be more valuable and pleasurable than gathering the seed by hand, touching and knowing every stalk and every inch of the land that feeds us? Shall we become allies of cold metal that cuts without feeling, turning our hands and eyes to the study of machines and numbers until, severed from the Earth, we nearly destroy it as our ancestors did, making depleted uranium and polychlorinated biphenyls and cadmium batteries that even now make the old cities unfit for living? Go back to your people, and tell them, if they come to conquer us with their machines, we will fight them in ways the Arawaks and Seminoles and Lakota and Hopi and Nez Perce never imagined, because we understand your world better than you do yourself. Tell your people to come to learn.”

  • @ Jeff S.: glad you caught that. It’s akin to “geo-engineering” our way out of our climate mess.

  • “Welcome to McPhearsonville, NM where iPhones are forbidden, clothing is optional, dope smoking mandatory, and fucking your neighbor–as long as it’s not one of Guy’s goats!–is strongly encouraged.”

    I, for one, can’t think of a better way to ‘prep’ for the end of existence!

  • @ TIAA

    Thoreau ? William Blake ? Aldo Leopold ? Arne Naess ? Handful of others perhaps…

    @ Rob at the Public Library

    Thanks for posting that. I remember when R. Prieur wrote it. Of course, he’s completely changed his tune now.

    There’s a huge fundamental problem. It’s not just theory, because it was in fact the case, it’s been observed.

    Say some people somewhere did organise like that.The people who want to break into that system have very effective strategies for doing so. It’s what corporations excel at. Microsoft,, Monsanto, and the rest.

    They learned from the Honourable East India Company, the first of their kind.

    Ted Kaczynsci touched upon the problem in his manifesto. People take the path of least resistance. I’ve argued this with anarcho-primitivists. There doesn’t seem to be any answer. Wish there was. You know, if you want a rock to throw at an animal to kill it for dinner, you choose a stone that fits your hand and is suitable to throw. You just do. You simply do not choose a stone that is useless. Too big, too small, the wrong shape.

    So, there’s some fundamental principle there.

    So, at the end of WW2, tractors arrived here, and a farmer could plough 10 acres in a day, instead of two with horses.

    Now, even if all the farmers took the attitude that Ran explained, that tractors are evil and smelly and noisy and poisonous and ruin the soil and will kill us all… which, indeed, many farmers DID… once a few break ranks and get an economic advantage, because they can finish their ploughing in one day and then have lots of free time to make money doing other things, while all their neighbours are still ploughing for days and days with horses… then the system breaks. The richer farmers laugh and buy up their impoverished neighbours.

    To make sure that the farmers get over their religious hatred for the new-fangled devilish machines, the tractor manufacturer does a deal with the bankers, who let the farmer have a free trial of the tractor for six months and then nice easy payments every month for years and years… plus interest, of course… and the farmer never notices the small print and the cost of spare parts, and all that… and the Gvt. subsidises the diesel, because they have their own plan afoot, to re-engineer the whole economy, to get ahead of other Gvts., so they can buy more guns and war ships…

    So. Unless you can get some sort of system that shuts down corporations and banks and governments, Ran’s schema doesn’t work. Because there will always be a few farmers who will be lured and tempted.

    And if there are not ? Well, the way the East India Corp did it, to break open India, was to send agent provocateur into villages, spies, who would discover local disputes, which they would inflame by acts of violence, to create chaos.
    That lent an excuse to send in soldiers to take control of the area. That meant the local people lost their autonomy, no longer made their own decisions and choices.

    Monsanto tried to force GMO crops onto the Welsh farmers by offering huge bribes. A few broke ranks and accepted. They received anonymous phone calls, that their houses might burn down. Monsanto retreated.

    In the 1920s every village had a flour mill and people made bread locally.
    The big corporations wanted to break into that. They had huge factory mills.
    Their bankers backed them so they could flood the countryside with cheap flour and bread, at a loss, and put all the little millers out of business. Soon as they’d done that and captured the market, the prices went up higher than the local millers had charged. The quality of the bread went right down.

    There are many, many such strategies. Ordinary simple people and small business folk have no idea how to defend themselves.

    You know, re your dictum ‘build no cities, plant no crops’, what happens when, in the valley next door, you see the people have begun to plant crops ?

    What you going to do ? And in the valley a hundred miles away, some guy has found something very precious, like salt, that is so valuable it lets him trade for a high premium, and to protect himself and his loved ones, he builds a fortress ? And then employs soldiers ? and then has labourers to do the mining ? and then slaves ? and it becomes a city ? What you going to do ?

  • Dear Ulvfugl, I used to have my favorites. They are all extinct now in my mind and…..

    Bah, all men who became great became so only through the ritual of patriarchal fabricated greatness. War, slavery, suffering. Denial of reality was and is the tool. For example, Obama got the coveted peace prize for doing nothing peaceful, and that is how the what of the what works. Shouldn’t Guy get the peace prize? Nothing happens because it is ‘great’ or true or real in any verifiable sense in this industry of conmen, but just because men decided it was so. Mostly arbitrary, based on hubris, greed and fear with thanks to a lot of natural force and other greedy and fearful men to keep some tuny redeeming sanity through the short millenia. Now for a blink of time mans force of insanity has grown greater than nature’s simple forces of balance, and all of the men in power are in on the greatest con ever spanning the entire globe, pole to pole. One great world wide empire of insanity, cannibalizing the remains of what sustains them. Into this final great drama walks the not so simple forces of a nature we did not evolve to handle. Nature? Probably not the best word for what is coming thundering our way, there must be another word. Oh, the anti-nature. Of course (slaps head) :-) In reality it will be the Anti-nature batting last and mans crazy blip of stupidity will be over. He earned it not by being great, why cling to that hope? Denial? The only great men and now women too, are those who can admit how ‘not’ great what we have become is and how we got here via all the genius man could muster through denial. Guys and Gals like Guy, new geniuses in the making….of a parmesan variety of course. ;-) For a people that have no hope to get a chance to try it on for size. Pisses me off to no known end. But who knows, like mike k, I hold out for the slim chance that somehow there will be some sort of redemption, not by ‘great’ men from the past but of simple men and women who know what counts in reality. Food, water, shelter and community, and the environment that allows us to enjoy these simple needs. Humanity right? After that all things ‘great’ are vain delusions of an era of immaturity in early human conscious development. Oh well, bonfire of the vanities…..

    Dear Rob @ the library, loved your answer. Reminds me of this;

  • @ Edward Kerr,

    Thanks, Edward, for the Ron Schock performance. I laughed so hard I cried.

  • @Rob I hope you have a warm place to sleep, Denver is about to get some cold weather. (Weather Junkie here.)

    @TIAA Thank you, that was well timed, coherent, and a much needed female voice which has been lacking in the conversation! Is Kathy C ok, or did she just get run off? Anyway, I knew you had been holding back on the full force of your opinion, though you have been dropping morsels along the path. I wish wildwoman were here to report on the discovery that the earliest cave painters were most likely women, too. I will have to answer your ‘spirit’ question later-what do you think my answer will be?
    Anyway, here is an injection of some intense female energy into this heavy space: Evolve.

  • @ TIAA

    Do you know anything about those names I mentioned ?

    I don’t think of them as favourites, just exceptions to the all men who became great became so only through the ritual of patriarchal fabricated greatness you mention.

    I have gone through the history of Western civilisation, indeed, much of the rest of the world’s history, with a fine toothed comb, looking for men or women that I could admire, or look to, as role models, people whose lives and values I could cite as examples.

    I didn’t really find ANY. St. Francis ?

    William Blake, Thoreau, Aldo Leopold, Arne Naess, Bill Mollison…

    @ Badlands

    If I recall correctly, Kathy C. said she was leaving or taking a break because she was nauseated by the hopium from Artleads and others. I think she feels she has risked everything to speak up boldly for years, and now gets drowned out by shallow, trivial, nonsense. Maybe.
    Perhaps wildwoman feels the same. I don’t know. No idea what has happened to other voices, Benjamin, etc.

    John Scofield

  • I was thinking why exactly are ulvfugl’s posts a complete waste of time to read, and then I cam across this

    which explains it

  • George Mobus, over on his question everything blog, doesn’t agree with Guy’s assessment of our dire situation. He agrees that things look bad right now but, in a response to Robin Datta’s comment claims that:

    “It’s hard for me to get behind Guy’s insistence that these reinforcing feedback loops are all there is and therefore spell the ultimate doom. I grant it looks really bad right now. But nature simply doesn’t work they [sic] way he suggests except in a runaway nuclear reaction (even explosions and nuclear reactions eventually run out of fuel). In all natural systems we find an early “growth” stage dominated by positive feedback loops. But the effects raised by those loops triggers and begins to amplify the impacts of countering (balancing in Donella Meadow’s terminology) negative feedback loops. It isn’t necessarily the case that the positive loops are irreversible as it is that the balancing loops begin to dominate and throttle back the effects of the positive loops.

    I admit that right now we don’t see where these negative feedbacks are going to come from. I also admit that humans and most life of the planet face bottlenecks, if not outright extinctions, but I just don’t think Guy’s insistence that its game over for all of like [sic] (or even necessarily humans) is sufficiently proven. I’ll put my faith in the principles that seem to guide all natural systems.”

    Is this not another insistence that “something will save us” hopium?

    i’m not a systems scientist or researcher (Mobus has written a text and teaches a course in it), but don’t see how he comes to this conclusion when things have gone extinct before and no “negative” feedback loop had come along in time to “save the day” for the dinosaurs or in the other five extinction events. The common link to all of them is that when CO2 gets to some critical threshold, the climate changes irreversibly to wipe out most if not all life, then after millions of years of time, the “life system” re-booted or started over in a modified but similar way (biologically).

    Can you comment on this, Guy?

  • Thanks for your question, Tom. Unfortunately, I know of no significant negative feedbacks. And I notice Mobus doesn’t mention any, either, while ignoring 400 ppm carbon dioxide and 1,800 ppb methane.

  • @ the Dean of Reading

    yes, totally, this blog has no protection from the narcissistic, socially isolated, mentally ill, know-it-all, bragging, loud, obnoxious, etc… except the scroll bar!

    many people have come and gone from this blog – there have been many regular posters that then disappeared. The problem, IMO, is that there really is no point in being here at all once you accept NTE other than to get updates on the status of collapse. All the other stuff is “who cares?” And that is why the scroll bar is our best friend.

    I don’t comment as much as I used to, nothing left to say, but I still log on everyday to see what Guy has posted anew – and I just quickly scan the comments.

    Look, my position is that Civilization killed us – and Industrial Civilization is just making it happen faster, and taking Every Living Thing on Earth with it – sad. I don’t participate in Industrial Civilization to any large degree any more – and so I’m a refugee now, just waiting for whatever comes next.

  • 35 million people in Tokyo
    that is New York City and Los Angeles combined

    Typhoon Wipha is going to strike tonight near Tokyon

    Fukushima is 150 miles away.

  • @ Tom

    I think the key word in the material you quoted was “faith”.

    He doesn’t like the answer, so he chooses to imagine that other forces will conveniently materialize to put things right again. As Nanny used to tell the Professor “we must have faith in the rightness of things”.

    The primates that are digging sequestered carbon out of the crust and throwing it back into the atmosphere will become extinct and their activity will end. There’s a negative feedback.

    Natural reservoirs of greenhouse gasses (methane hydrates, permafrost, peat, forests, etc.) will eventually be exhausted. There’s another negative feedback. The concentration of greenhouse gasses will reach a maximum.

    Finally, the temperature of the Earth will rise, increasing its radiative losses to space, and it will reach equilibrium at that higher temperature. That’s your final negative feedback.

    See? Nice and stable. The cockroaches and jellyfish will go about their business.

  • Guy spoke of the 400 nuclear reactors that need to be decommissioned claiming that it will take decades. Others claim that shut down is quick in a process called scram. What’s the reality of this? Is it really as benign as some make it out to be? I presume that even if shutdown is quick, I will take along time to cool down the rods, decommission and secure the waste.

  • @Badlands, it never even occurred to me that the cave painters weren’t women, at least some of the time. Child hand prints are in there, so why wouldn’t women have spent quite a bit of time in them? 38,000 years ago, men weren’t in charge yet. Prehistory is prepatriarchy. Which is why I love the Paleolithic so much. Seriously, you gotta read the Auel books. She’s extraordinarily accurate.

  • @ Grant Schreiber

    Yikes! I suppose on the bright side we don’t have to worry about TEPCO screwing up the Building 4 spent fuel pool project next month, those rods will all be lying in a big pile, burning brightly. I suppose the big question is whether the storm surge will overtop the sea wall. If it does, how much erosion can those wrecked buildings take before collapsing?

    And the race is on.

    and here comes Pride in the backstretch
    Heartache’s going to the inside
    My Tears are holding back,
    they’re trying not to fall
    My Heart’s out of the running
    True Love’s scratched for Another’s Sake
    The race is on and it looks like Heartache
    and the winner loses all.

    Of course, Congress may yet crash the world’s economy. What did I post the other day?
    BREAKING : Contrived Nonsense Distracts Attention from Critical Issues.

  • Thanks Guy. I feel similarly, that he’s missing the point – as WoodsDweller points out – that the negative feedbacks won’t be in time to save humanity from their self-imposed death cult. Mobus is real big on “sapience” too (and at least agrees with me that it’s in very short supply in the homo species at present, using his definition of the word), and somehow sees that as an attribute of those who will survive us, rather than psychopathic or sociopathic thugs winning out or surviving the bottleneck intact. After my many attempts at spelling out extinction for humanity, he sort of shut me up by insisting on numbers and timelines on everything from CO2, methane, hydrogen sulfide, oil spills and Peak Oil timing, Fukushima and radiation in general wasn’t even brought up (except by me), and the positive feedback loops somehow don’t matter because they have a negative counterbalancing feedback that will come along due to his insistence that natural systems behave that way. That’s fine for a textbook and examples of closed systems with few interacting parts, but something as complex as what we’ve caused isn’t going to just magically shut off in a few weeks or years due to “exhaustion” of fuel, or it “playing out” and bouncing back in time for humanity to go on shopping and watching tv. He doesn’t seem to concern himself with the fact that “sentient” life (not to mention all the other species) can completely end and then many millions of years later MAYBE come back in another form.

    i’m not going to argue with him and like reading his thoughts at his blog, but don’t want to risk being banned there by just being a thorn in his side, or him having to waste a lot of time on answering my questions and comments but I just didn’t want to blindly accept his “systems will save us” (or sapience will survive) mentality.

    Look, i’d be only too happy if NTE was all proved wrong in the coming decades and that I was a complete fool for even thinking extinction was a possibility. Nobody would WANT this to happen!

    Grant: seems like just a matter of time now, eh? If the typhoon/storm Wipha weakens the soil by making it soggy and the ruined 4th building topples over, spilling the exposed fuel rods onto the ground and exposes them to air, we can forget about getting near enough to ever clean up the mess, let alone how much more polluted both the atmosphere and ocean will become as a result. Since the initial tsunami/earthquake event, Fukushima has been a ticking time bomb for humanity (at least locally, initially, but probably for all of us eventually). I’ve been following it all along and noticed today that even Japanese doctors won’t reveal to their patients that they are suffering from radiation exposure!

    Ravi – you have it right. Shutting the plant off can be done relatively quickly, but securing the radiating fuel rods takes a LOT of time. Read some of Arnie Gunderson’s comments at Fairewinds Energy to see what’s involved.

  • Hey everybody! Sorry about the limericks, but I haven’t written a fucking line in two weeks now. I’ve been trying to sort out the reasons, and there’s a lot of them, like not just writing crap to avoid working my personal steps to acceptance. It’s all good, and I very much appreciate your concern, but it seems that’s all for now, until my head gets more recalibrated. Thanks again, and carry on!

  • BenjaminTheDonkey: Welcome back! Glad to see you’re still with us!

  • There is a lim’ricker named Ben
    Who takes some time off now and then
    To recalibrate
    His head ’round our fate
    But like herpes, he’ll be back again ;-)

    “Strange is our situation here on Earth. Each of us comes for a short visit, not knowing why, yet sometimes seeming to divine a purpose. From the standpoint of daily life, however, there is one thing we do know: that man is here for the sake of other men – above all for those upon whose smiles and well-being our own happiness depends.” A. Einstein

    Have a good day/evening all

  • Dear Ulvfugl,

    Dang it! Yes, ok, St. Francis. You win. How do you do that? Like a friggin Mage.

    Dear Badlands, thank you and ditto to your female voice. My mom gave me this little refrigerator magnet years ago for my birthday that says ‘may your spirit never be tamed’ our spirit as part of our integeral nature is real, a psychic structure. Mine I feel I am still recovering from the whip and chain of domestication. Quite an avatarian like process. And now what for? I submit it seems the fact is it is natural to find balance in life and while alive that nature drives me to her bidding. I the happy slave to life. :-)

  • @wildwoman Hello! Yes, I have read several of the Auel books, back in jr./sr. high school, and even had a coveted ‘Clan of the Cave Bear’ t-shirt I found at the thrift store, but the Painted Caves book came out much later, when I had moved on, I guess. What I find interesting about the gender bias regarding who did the paintings, is that they are now saying the majority (75%) of paintings were done by women, based on Dean Snow’s hand measurement studies, but detractors are saying things like this:

    National Geographic points out that the mystery is far from definitively solved. While some hail the new study as a “landmark contribution,” others are more skeptical. Another researcher recently studied the palm-to-thumb ratio of the hand prints and concluded they mostly belonged to teenage boys, who, he told NatGeo, often drew their two favorite topics: big powerful animals and naked ladies. (from

    hahaha! So typical.

    @ulvfugl From previous thread: Those beef farmers seem quite religious Christians going by the comments. Yes, you noticed. Mainly hardcore Baptist from my small-town experience here. I’m ok with it, though some(?) do judge non-believers rather harshly. I would say this is “God Country”, but first and foremost, it is “Tunkashila Country.”

    @TIAA Re: Spirit being reality. In laymen’s terms, I like to think that everything is energy and matter, within the infinite universe. We as humans are ‘inspired’ beings, meaning we draw inspiration from the vast well of universal energy through our breath. I think it’s standard knowledge that sound frequencies profoundly effect their surrounding environment, ie. the studies on water molecules, and so through our exhalation, our voice, we create our ‘vibration’. Our effect on this finite bit of universal energy persists, even after our ‘matter’ dissolves back into stardust. So yeah, I believe in the ‘spirit’, and believe in nurturing it in ourselves and other beings. (I could use terms like ‘prana’, ‘subtle body’, and ‘soul’, but don’t wish to open myself up to ridicule, as we are NOT allowed to use those words here!!)
    I think most people here are ‘big picture’ people, which means on some level they have opened themselves up to the infinite and are tuned into their more intuitive side, and on the other hand, those who close themselves off from the big picture, seem to harbor much anger and aggression, conmen in power plays. Once you are tuned into the infinite, once you become very subtle and intuitive, you CANNOT be lied to and NO ONE has any power over you.
    I could elaborate, but don’t wish to dig my own NBL grave(!), so I will just say, maybe Benjamin the Donkey just needs a little inspiration! I get cut off from mine regularly, but also find much of value in the silences. For whatever reason, Tom Waits always makes me want to get into the studio and get my hands dirty. Very dirty.
    So, BtD, maybe give Tom Waits a chance? ‘Way Down in the Hole’

  • It’s the bottom of the 9th, two outs. Nature is down by three with bases loaded. Fukushima is on first, with Methane Burp and Carbon Dioxide on second and third. Typhoon Wipha steps up to the plate. Here comes the pitch and… O MY GOD! LADIES AND GENTLEMEN IT’S OUT OF THE PARK! And as Typhoon Wipha rounds the bases the crowd is deadly silent, they’ve never seen or imagined anything like it, who would have thought it could end like this? Nature has WON!

    Here’s Nature now. “Excuse me, Nature, could you please answer a few questions for your fans?” “Well, I don’t have many fans, but sure, you can ask.” “Did you ever think you would be able to win this one?” “Heck yeah, I’ve been down a lot but never out. Winning is what I do. Never should have asked me to play, big mistake. Sorry, gotta go before my team disappears in a puff of greenhouse gasses and radiation.”

    Well, there you have it, sports fans, Nature leaves the field winning the only really important game ever played! :(

  • Cowgirl Apocalypse Haiku #61

    When the river calls,
    go- dip your feet, and hear your
    original voice.

  • There are too many variables up in the air at this time too. If there’s a nuclear “event” that doesn’t necessarily spell the end of the Northern Hemisphere, but does plunge Japan into chaos, chances are the fall of the Tokyo stock market will take Wall Street with it. Typhoons and crippled nuclear power plants are terrible things to have next to our economic house of cards. That the human race has placed itself in this terrible position is nothing short of astonishing which keeps me thinking in terms of Harold Lloyd falling out of street cars and windows in a slapstick disaster. Death by global warming is tragic and sad. Death by Fukushima is really rather funny. The Rube Goldberg device of our demise.

  • I wish Guy would somehow appear (maybe for an interview or a debate or something) on Thom Hartmann’s radio/tv show. Now that Hartmann’s got his new short film, “Last Hours” up and running on the web
    ( ), the two of ’em should have something to talk about.

    Obviously, Hartmann’s not convinced that NTE is unavoidable, yet. Very few influential people / scientists have so concluded. And the way I see it is that McPherson’s stance marks the farthest end of a spectrum of beliefs, with one half of that spectrum being pointless nonsense.

    Right in the middle of that spectrum is the IPCC’s absurd “climate budget” suggesting that we can somewhat safely double the CO2 emitted since the dawn of the industrial age — to nearly a trillion tons. So I’m much closer to Guy’s view than the majority of climatologists, apparently. But I part with Guy in thinking it is nearly or entirely certain that their is no possibility of avoiding NTE by now.

    Maybe I’m right there between Hartmann and McPherson?

    I wish folks would publicly criticize the IPCC’s carbon budget as absurdly optimistic. And folks like Hartmann and McKibben and Hansen and DeChristopher… should be among the first to do it!

    I think there is a sliver of hope to avoid worst case scenarios such as NTE — but it would require a nearly miraculously sudden flash sort of socio-political movement/transformation. It would require reducing CO2 emissions to but a tiny fraction of current emissions in a handful of years, with an immediate significant dropping off. And it would require application of suchlike as biochar sequestration on a vast scale in agriculture, etc. Oh, and let us not forget to add that we’d have to end all deforestation immediately. And begin to restore the forests, etc.

    I’m not looking to governments to do much. I think only a grass roots mass movement (basically anarchistic — which is deeply democratic) can get the job done.

    How to trigger such a movement? I dunno. I suppose we’d have to drop a mountain of cynicism real fast to begin!

    Anyway, perhaps if some of us here were to connect Guy McPherson with Thom Hartmann for a radio spot…? It could be fun. It’s time for the farthest edge of the climate prognosis spectrum to have a larger spotlight.

  • Here’s one place to start for anyone interested in exploring biochar.

    Don’t stop with the title of the article. It’s neither dismissable as a non-solution nor potent enough to amount to one.

  • @ TIAA

    So sad and pathetic that there’s only one name…

    @ Dean of Reading

    Your conception of excellence ? How do you answer Socrates’ questions ?

    Nobody is obliged or required or forced to read anything I write. That includes you.

    Perhaps you’d like to point towards anything you’ve said on this blog, or indeed written anywhere on the internet, that is worth reading or of any interest at all to anyone ?

    Thanks for introducing me to Kramer, whom I’d never heard of. That sort of stuff is not my thing. Whatever you imagine ‘it explains’, I have no idea, but ‘it’ will not be my personal position. I hope that has cleared that up for you.

    @ Tom

    I think it is pure hopium. Just like thinking God or fairies will save us.

    Sure, eventually the positive feedbacks run out of steam. Everybody knows that. When all the available methane has escaped, it’ll stop coming out.
    Eventually the climate will restabilise. According to Tad Patzek who is highly knowledgeable regarding geology, climate and ecology, it’ll take 80 to 100 thousand years for that to happen.

    @ Rob in the Library

    I don’t comment as much as I used to, nothing left to say, but I still log on everyday to see what Guy has posted anew – and I just quickly scan the comments.

    Hahaha, and say the same thing every time, so if you’ve read one ‘Rob@the Library’ comment, you’ve seen them all, and yet they repeat, every day…

    Look, my position is that Civilization killed us …

    Funny, but some of us are still alive and making the best of each day, doing all kinds of things, and life is amazing… all you ever do here is whine and complain and feel sorry for yourself and insult me because I know about stuff that’s beyond your comprehension.

    It’s not my fault that you are stuck in your wretched nihilism and negativity, is it, it’s yours. Every passing moment has almost infinite potential. You make your own prison cell, with your own mind, your choices.

    You are the one who insists that there are no other possibilities. So, for you, there are not. That’s nobody’s fault but your own, nobody can change it but you.

    You dug the hole, you are sitting in it, complaining that you are stuck in a hole. Every day you tell us ‘Look at me, I’m hopeless and helpless, sitting in this hole I dug’. Yup.

    Some of us have said to you, from time to time, ‘Would you like some help, out of your hole ?’ and you say ‘No, it’s impossible’. Okay.
    And then you get abusive. No ?

    Flinging foolish insults and name calling when you have not read the comments and have no idea what’s going on and can’t even understand the concepts. You don’t converse, you can’t discuss, you can’t engage in a reasoned argument. Childish expressions of animosity don’t substitute.

    Guy says ‘Do what you love’. Same as Joseph Campbell’s ‘Follow your bliss’.

    But that means loving. Means knowing love, what you love. If you don’t love yourself, don’t love the world, don’t love people, or animals, or land or trees, or working with stuff, making something, music, art, gardening, work, some challenge, some sort of connection to what exists, then what ?

    You’re left with no meaning, hopeless, the existentialist, nihilist, desolation.

    It’s nothing new. I’ve been there, thousands of people have been there, long before there was any idea of NTE, it’s been known for thousands of years.

    People used to call it a sickness of the soul or melancholia or whatever. There were herbal remedies prescribed for it. People were advised to pray to saints for guidance, to be shown their path forward. People went on vision quests. People were sent to assist others who needed help.

    You can use love, you can use rage, anger, I am FURIOUS at what is happening, what is being done, these constant outrages, the system that permits this…

    Nobody much gives a fuck what happens to you Rob, nor to me, whatever we be, heroes, victims, casualties, names, just sparks from the fire that flash for a moment and vanish. But I know who I am, what I am, and I’m fine with it, every moment I’m tuned in, wondrous. You ? How do you feel about yourself ?

    ‘I used to complain that I had no shoes, until I met the person who had no feet’.

    @ James R. Martin

    How to trigger such a movement? I dunno. I suppose we’d have to drop a mountain of cynicism real fast to begin!

    aaaaHahaha… a bit of reality beginning to intrude into the J. R. M. brain ?

    What’s the odds for and against that happening do you think ?????

    It’s got nothing to do with cynicism. It’s got all to do with entrenched vested interests. If you have not even got the analysis right yet, how can you possibly expect to have some effective action.

    Can you even imagine the amount of effort that would be required to change global agriculture from the present fossil fuel fertiliser and pesticide and fossil fuel powered machinery based systems, over to bio char ?

    Okay, kid, go for it. Stop pratting about on blogs like a headless chicken. Spend every minute of the rest of your life devoted to that cause. Not ‘we’. YOU ! Get Rob@Public Library to help you

  • An Audit…

    Biodiversity has been fallen by a rate of 30% in northern countries and 60% in the tropical world over the past 40 years…2/3 of global ecosystems are exploited beyond their capacity.

    NTE ? Is anyone listening ? The Chinese are not.

  • The assumption that negative feedbacks will counter-balance the positive feedbacks to the extent that humanity is saved, is far too great of a risk to blindly believe in. Having said that, believing that unknown negative feedbacks can’t possibly counter-balance the positive feedbacks in time, is equally folly. It seems the best we can say is given the information at hand, we’re probably far into overshoot.

    I think the precautionary principal should trump assuming that any eventual balancing will be to our benefit. Thing is it doesn’t much matter what I think!

    Might as well enjoy my evening, instead. Back to lurking.

  • Dear Denise, to me that is the most beautiful haiku ever. Thank you a thousand times over.

    Dear Badlands, that was a wondrous explanation of spirit, speaking to the heart. I was right about you and ‘inner voice’, please keep sharing on that note, we can be rebirthed in that spirit moment by moment. It’s nice to have a balance here of inner and outer truth based on our best observations. I think the value of that combined energy and our ability to recieve it cannot be understated for weathering the final turns on the merry go round called civilized industry.

    Dear Ulvfugl,

    Telling I would say. St. Francis was most like Guy too. Totally walked away from empire concluding that love and compassion and peace were primary to building…. or founding anything. That door of possibility held open again and again by many saints and their helpers. But always the road less traveled. The door not chosen. Now our time for choosing seems about up. Very sad. But still it is good to talk to you and everyone here now today. Very good. Perhaps we will grudgingly find more for the list.

    Dear James R. Martin,

    The spectrum of understanding and response to what’s happening to our earth systems and what it means for the life they support is one I also find my mind churning over. I chose Guy for informing myself because he is the only one tackling the humanities aspect of the crisis full bore. Thom Hartmann seems like his heart is missing yet from the matter. A very defining and deadly tricky reality, denial of the whole reality. But it is kinda taboo for men to bear their hearts, and tears and spirits. Having habituated themselves through the millenia to avoid these long feared human experiences as dangerous and tricky parts of themselves by creating their own counter deadly activity. Kinda like banging buckets at thunder but these industrial buckets for banging to feel powerful against nature have become sophisticated monsters of doom. Something to counteract this? A movement to evolve us past that age old coping mechanism for fear? I hold out a sliver of chance for that. But the majority don’t even dare talk about it. Geo engineering will be the most likely tool engaged as the next big banging bucket on the bucket list of industrial mans last moves against nature, expression of inner coping to outer coping and that will be an interesting feat in the end as nature winds up for her own geo-unwinding.

  • I’ve glanced at most of the posts, and find them powerful.

    @ Badlands & TIAA

    Can’t resist sharing what I was musing on earlier:

    The human condition is absurd…as in ridiculous. Patriarchy has made a killing out of convincing us that it isn’t (as in when the Emperor has no clothes) and we have dared not argue.

    So what to do with the ridiculous farce that is the human condition? Women seem not to take themselves too seriously, which is exemplary behavior, and enjoy endless preoccupation with trivial things like the happiness of children or the health of the crops. They might never have built cities. They tend toward laughter. Laughter, yes, the best course of all.

  • I think there is a sliver of hope to avoid worst case scenarios such as NTE — but it would require a nearly miraculously sudden flash sort of socio-political movement/transformation.

    And that would require a methane burp. Or something along those lines. Not to avoid NTE, but for the sudden flash for the muthas.

  • What difference does it make?
    …to plant a seed
    …to sing a song
    …to fix a roof
    …to save a bird
    …to break a habit
    …to teach a way
    …to change
    …to praise the sun
    …to touch someone
    When The End is near?
    It just feels right.
    Better than a fight.
    Not as uptight,
    Flying a kite.

    Guy mentioned that urban ghettos are regions that have already collapsed. Homeless, my life has collapsed. I park my old van in rural areas, off the beaten path. The ghettos of collapse are spreading everywhere, like mycelium. The fungus will soon reach the upstairs bedrooms of plush mansions. Hunger in the boardrooms and ballrooms too.

    No satisfaction in vindication, the suffering is shared. I’ll admit I’m still coming to terms with my frustration and anger over it all. They still won’t listen to people like us.

    Meanwhile, every moment is getting more precious. Someday soon, I’ll go down to the end of this river, and find out if there’s any peace there. Maybe I’ll merge back into my childhood joy. One fine day, long ago, that little boy who was me, flew a kite. My mom had a hot dinner waiting. Tonight its cold beans from a can, alone in a rusty van. The moments are ticking off. Each breath is one breath closer. Each one a little harder to pull in. But, for now, I’m still alive and flying kites of every color in my mind. Soon I’ll let go of the last string, just let them all float free.

  • But, for now, I’m still alive and flying kites of every color in my mind. Soon I’ll let go of the last string, just let them all float free.

    A hymn to the Grace of the Divine:

    [Syama, “black” or “dark-complexioned”, refers to various deities, such as Krishna, Jagannath, Kali, etc. In this context it refers to Kali, the consort of Shiva, and the personification of maya, the Divine Delusion that makes the apparent world, the “of” in “aware of”, seem to be a reality independent of the “aware”, the Self. Absent the delusion, there is no reality except that Self of all selves – just as the dream reality is entirely dependent on the dreamer. The string of maya keeps the kite of the self tethered in the world-delusion. Manja-paste is a plant resin; often ground glass is added for its abrasive cutting properties. The three gunas are the three qualities of all conditioned existence, inertia, activity and harmony. It was a common practice in the Middle East and South Asia for authors, Ramprasad in this case, to sign their works by inserting their names into it.]

    (The allusion of this song is to the well-known kite-flying competitions in India.
    Several people fly their kites and try to cut one another’s kite-strings. Whoever has his
    string cut loses his kite and quits the game):

    “In the world’s busy market-place, O Syama, Thou art flying kites;
    High up they soar on the wind of hope, held fast by maya’s string.
    Their frames are human skeletons, their sails of the three gunas made;
    But all their curious workmanship is merely for ornament.
    Upon the kite-strings Thou hast rubbed the manja-paste of worldliness,
    So as to make each straining strand all the more sharp and strong.
    Out of a hundred thousand kites, at best but one or two break free;
    And Thou dost laugh and clap Thy hands, O Mother, watching them!

    On favoring winds, says Ramprasad, the kites set loose will speedily
    Be borne away to the Infinite, across the sea of the world.”

  • I almost forgot. I wanted to say what a great video! Guy, you make us proud. Thanks for the truth, wisdom and laughs. :) “See” you all in 10 days, I’m going on vacation and leaving the laptop at home. Adios amigos!

  • “I used to complain that I had no shoes, until I met the person who had no feet…. Now I can’t stop laughing.”

  • @TIAA & ulvfugl, et al

    Try this site for heroic candidates.
    Some you may like, others not so much, maybe.
    But she’s got a knack for picking some winners.
    Don’t let the title mislead/throw you off.
    wwwonthisdeitycom (you know where the dots go)

    I could use terms like ‘prana’, ‘subtle body’, and ‘soul’, but don’t wish to open myself up to ridicule, as we are NOT allowed to use those words here!!
    Gotta admit, I love it when you use those naughty words.
    Howl on from the 25th Floor, Space Monkey…

  • Tom Says:
    October 14th, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    “@ Jeff S.: glad you caught that. It’s akin to “geo-engineering” our way out of our climate mess.”

    No problem with the response, but it’s strange that this was posted yesterday afternoon, meaning that you, Tom, saw my response by then, whereas i’ve not been able to see ANY responses since the post by Artheads right before mine (the one you’re responding to) till just now, didn’t see any the last time i checked, four hours ago. What’s going on? Obvious from the other responses that others have been seeing everything that’s been posted.

  • i’ve not been able to see ANY responses

    Your cookies!

    Either delete them before each time you start your browser, or before each time you exit your browser (delete & exit from a BLANK page) or delete them once and for all and switch to incognito/private/etc. (depending on the browser) browsing.

  • Around midday (03:00 GMT) Tuesday, the typhoon passed close to Fukushima, where contaminated water used to cool reactor cores is being stored in temporary tanks.

    Plant operator Tokyo Electric Power Company said it had to pump out rain water from around the storage tanks, but added that its radiation readings were within a safe limit.

    The storm had caused the plant no new problems, a spokesman said.

  • @Rob

    So another doom-porn scene played through, with just a splooge of sanity escaping from the minds of fools.

    What ever will the NTErs conjure up next to project their own lack of acceptance of mortality onto?!

    I have faith the next EOTWAWKI topic will arise within the next 48hrs. .

  • With thanks to Geoffrey Chia for the contribution, I’ve posted his guest essay. It’s here.

  • “The assumption that negative feedbacks will counter-balance the positive feedbacks to the extent that humanity is saved, is far too great of a risk to blindly believe in. Having said that, believing that unknown negative feedbacks can’t possibly counter-balance the positive feedbacks in time, is equally folly. It seems the best we can say is given the information at hand, we’re probably far into overshoot.”

    Interesting thoughts, muffleupagus. Is it even possible to sort this out with the brain? Jim Hansen explained in science language how coal and other pollution was temporarily reducing the rate of warming…and of course it barely registered on me. Then Kathy C put it into simple language that I immediately grasped…

    Then Guy explains even more clearly that ending global dimming spikes temps. While maintaining pollution was maybe just as bad. So it’s going to be a perfect mess whichever way we turn. And it seems as if all is confusion, all is conundrum.

  • Sounds like a snippet from Candide:

    I am so glad I have no feet, for I am forever relieved of the possibility of having aching feet.

    I am so glad that NTHE is upon us so that the horror that is humanity will forever be erased.

    Look into the cold, dark expanse of space – can you see the scattered subatomic particles of your ancestors? Can you hear their pleas?

    No, you cannot.

  • Guy, What are your thoughts about the Last Hours film by Thom Hartmann?

  • @Artleads all is confusion, all is conundrum You said it. What is perplexing and maddening is that collapse is happening so fast right now, I mean, what is happening in the oceans is shocking and scary enough, but from all quarters, the bad news snowballs, what is everyone doing?! I guess more and more are just trying to survive another day, find another meal. You also said this,
    Women seem not to take themselves too seriously, which is exemplary behavior, and enjoy endless preoccupation with trivial things like the happiness of children or the health of the crops.
    Agree on the not taking ourselves so seriously, disagree on the things listed as trivial, or that much of that is even particularly enjoyable. What could be more important than those things, anyway?

    @infanttyrone You so funny! I did see your post from awhile back offering to pick up the albuterol inhalers, which was very kind of you. We’re good now, but it’s shocking what they will stick the little guy with. Those inhalers used to cost me $6-10, and are now $50. They required hCFC’s taken out of medical inhalers, yet people working in air-conditioning business are known to release tons of the shit (freon) into the atmosphere. They are supposed to collect it into tanks, but between leaks and just plain laziness, you can guess how well it’s regulated, and that doesn’t include what the big guys do. (I have insider information due to my partner working in the field.)
    When you think about everything that REALLY goes on out there with polluting, poaching, etc, I think things are far worse than what we will ever know. I’ve had family that worked up on the N. slope oil fields in AK, as well as know some who have worked up in the N Dakota Bakken oil fields recently. Lets just say it ain’t pretty, what really happens when no one is looking.

    @TIAA it is kinda taboo for men to bear their hearts, and tears and spirits. Having habituated themselves through the millenia to avoid these long feared human experiences as dangerous and tricky parts of themselves by creating their own counter deadly activity

    That ‘dangerous and tricky’ part of themselves is the feminine. Masculinity concerns itself with the higher realms of culture, god, spirit, public life, elevation of the abstract, while the feminine is relegated to earthly matters, home life, bodily knowledge, sensuality, mortality. Hierarchy and separation of energy (spirit) and matter (earth), led to the most deadly activity of all, the separation of matter in the form of splitting the atom.

    Man so fears nature, so fears the sensual, he would so deny the feminine in himself, that he would risk all life on earth by creating the ‘bomb’. The well integrated human being accepts both masculine and feminine, allowing one to both nurture oneself and to accept and assert power in a responsible manner. Anything less results in anger and resentment at the opposite sex, fear, incompetence and ineffectiveness. This duality tears people apart, both men and women, and look at what we get, a lot of big ideas, but who is brave enough to implement them? What are the big ideas?
    That we are creative beings, that we don’t have to separate ourselves from nature which results in fear of scarcity, that we don’t have to perpetuate these vicious cycles, that we can be vulnerable and open to other life without being weak. I know, I know. Wishful thinking- look at all the opposing evidence that human nature can also be good.

    ‘Spring Song’

    When we come
    When we come again
    To celebrate renewal
    At the heart
    At the heart of us
    Our eyes will touch life

    Though we may be hard to find
    Where we stand in time
    The mirrors of the past shine
    With the light of unborn days
    We wander in the flames
    With nothing but our names
    And no-one for the blame
    We love so well to focus on

    When we come
    When we come again
    To search beside the Fool
    For the heart
    For the heart of us
    Our eyes will touch Life

    By ornaments entranced
    We trace in frenzied dance
    The patterns carved by chance
    On the pavement of memory
    Seasons turning yet again
    The Mother’s breast is full again
    As in heaven, so with men
    Is now and ever shall be

    Till we come
    Till we come again
    To recognize renewal
    At the heart
    At the heart of us
    Our eyes will touch life

    -Bruce Cockburn

  • Dear all,

    At times the comment flow here is so full of majesty and giving and helping, kindness and searching for the truth, finding the truth. That the experience leaves one humbled and speechless. Here and only here a radical humanity is giving voice again.

    That’s just what I see and feel.

    Thanks sincerely to all.

    Dear Logspirit, your kites of childhood and the love of your mother clearly live on through you, alive still.

  • @ Grant

    “I used to complain that I had no shoes, until I met the person who had no feet…. Now I can’t stop laughing.”

    Have you met the person with no head ?

    The person with no mind ?

  • @ infanttyrone, TIAA

    Try this site for heroic candidates.

    Good site, thanks ! But my point was, figures in the historical record as role models or examples who showed a good relationship with nature, animals, wildlife, ecology, countryside and land, the environment, the biosphere, all that stuff.

    There just aren’t any. St. Francis just about makes the grade, but TIAA mentions other ‘saints and their servers’, naah, they were all about humans and human concerns, the poor and the sick, maybe, a lot were raving loons too… there’s almost no decent examples of anybody ever showing ANY concern for other species. A few poets, now and then, maybe, Nietzsche embracing the fallen horse… Poor old John Clare, the ruination of the countryside and nobody caring drove him mad

    I am—yet what I am none cares or knows;
    My friends forsake me like a memory lost:
    I am the self-consumer of my woes—
    They rise and vanish in oblivious host,
    Like shadows in love’s frenzied stifled throes
    And yet I am, and live—like vapours tossed

    Into the nothingness of scorn and noise,
    Into the living sea of waking dreams,
    Where there is neither sense of life or joys,
    But the vast shipwreck of my life’s esteems;
    Even the dearest that I loved the best
    Are strange—nay, rather, stranger than the rest.

    I long for scenes where man hath never trod
    A place where woman never smiled or wept
    There to abide with my Creator, God,
    And sleep as I in childhood sweetly slept,
    Untroubling and untroubled where I lie
    The grass below—above the vaulted sky.

    Btw, two links seems okay now, maybe three or more takes you into moderation.

    Did you ever try this stuff infanttyrone ?
    I think it’d go down well after 7 plays of What’s new pussycat ?
    Set a man up for another 7, easy ;-)

  • Dear Ulvfugl,

    No, of course there would not be any true redeemers in the conmans records. But all is written one way or another and the saints and helpers acts dismissed by the con are still recorded in that yet still subtle but not unremarkable way. In Hearts, in beings. Perhaps simply passed mother to child, secret truth. To live and let live sums up the historically absent creed absent only in word but not in truth and so through that very doorway of truth has lumbered the atrocities of those invaders that consume heartlessly, living only to kill, aberrant nature and will to destroy every shred of sacred life and it’s support systems, if they can pursue their will long enough to accomplish the task. As the means of their insanity crumble and evaporate under the tide of natural reaction, the negative consequence may stop the madness before it is too late. Too late for who or what we cannot say but what will survive these times of the end of that madness of human form may be those who understand and so prepare and even champion the event as the only chance now left beyond the grasp of industries drive to dominate all, even if it means killing all as by-product. Soon now there will be absolutely no sense trying to turn this ship fated by science to sink, or stop the still futily churning engines, as the point of no return arrives at our respective doorsteps, all we can do is implement our plan, get to a lifeboat, a ‘vessel’ or safe place as best we can for survival because it may be, if the timing of collapse allows it, some humans, of all of us on this earth can and will survive.

    Anyone with love in their hearts will try and fight for survival to the happy end. No historical pages, no maps to guide us, it is our gift, as painful burden to create from within and the how of it is written in that other language as lost art yet to be found, language of the heart. The first primal gift.

  • So I wonder what you make of this, dear TIAA ?

    He begins with the Hermetic and Kabalistic notion that in creating the world God left it purposely unfinished and that humankind’s task was to complete the world through repairing it. In the Kabbalah such repairing is done through continuous acts of loving attention that allows the world to be seen, handled and disposed aright. The intention with which we handle the world, the intention of repairing, transfigures the world suffusing it with meaning. This intention and attention may be very simple – treating the person at the Sainsbury checkout counter as a person in themselves or more radically imaginative, the poets Blake and Milosz beholding ‘the spiritual sun’!

    But in some important way, Lachman argues, the cosmos was made for man (and vice versa), our conscious beholding of it, the doors of our perception cleansed, brings it fully to life.

    Such a viewpoint necessarily comes into conflict with both materialist reductionism and postmodern ennui and, I confess, the most entertaining parts of the book are when Lachman puts them to flight and he does so in the company not simply of airy poets and woefully neglected philosophers but in the company of hard core (Nobel adorned) physicists and neuroscientists. The gentle skewering of John Gray’s misanthropic posturing is especially enjoyable.

    However, I think, his most serious point is to notice that it is only since we displaced ourselves as cosmic guardians and saw ourselves, in an increasingly fractured way, as simply ‘part of nature’, an animal amongst other animals, that our serious despoiling of that very ‘nature’ or ‘environment’ began in earnest, without self-correcting limit. He quotes Louis Claude de Saint Martin, the Unknown Philosopher, to the effect that we have clothed ourselves in a ‘false modesty’ rather than seeking to be fully human and accept the responsibility that entails in a cosmos completed by us, a co-creation with God, we have settled for being ‘only human’ amongst the other animals, which has often meant, that we become less than other animals, wrapped in seeking identity, satisfaction and consumption, restless activity rather than a composed crafting, a repairing of cosmos.

  • @ TIAA

    Thanks. My mother and my childhood kites are gone, forever. Thank you for your kindness. We’ll be here for a moment. A moment that lasts only as long as a lifetime. Not very long.


    I was invited to go kayaking on a small river today. Saw four manatees. They are obviously much more mellow and mature than human beings. They exude a beauty and peacefulness and harmony with the world that we can only envy. But they had scars where propeller blades had cut into their backs. Rotary knives of humans. Humans in a hurry on a peaceful river, everyone of whom make u-turns and go back wherever they come from, cutting wounds and leaving trails of blood. Stupid humans leaving trails of blood in a peaceful river.

    Some people tried to ban motor boats on the river. They lost the political fight. A microcosm in the macrocosm. Motor boat manufacturers have a lot of clout, a lot of ammunition in their propaganda arsenal. People are easily duped into believing that they need internal combustion engines to feel more macho, to replace the power they’ve lost within. In their minds, health and exercise are for poor fools. Pop a pill, turn a key, press a button. Blast off to the Moon. Microwave a frozen ‘dinner’. It goes with the ‘beefy’ psychology of guns and NASCAR and T-party pseudo-religious fundamentalist anti-environmentalist racist fascists who think they are just being plain patriotic, not neurotic at all. Good old boy (and gal) citizens who’ve been taught to hate the government, but they sure do love their government checks and subsidized lifestyles. The manatees continue to get cut up. Mincemeat. Goes with the aroma of burning flesh from millions of Saturday afternoon Bar-B-Q’s. Amazingly, some people continue to wonder how it became too late to save ourselves, from ourselves. My, my, how time whizzes by. Barely enough time to put some human skeletons in the natural history museums, right next to the dinosaurs.

    I paddled down a peaceful river today. It was as peaceful as it could be in the turmoil of an environmental holocaust. Superficially serene.

  • “What’s wrong? Everybody on Earth is in denial about our biggest problem … population growth. Too many new babies, a net of 75 million a year. And we’re all closet deniers — leaders, investors, billionaires, the 99%, everybody. Yes, even Bill McKibben’s global team. The U.N.’s 2,000 scientists know overpopulation is Earth’s only real problem.
    Get it? Earth has only one real problem, there’s the one main dependent variable in the scientific equation. But we refuse to focus on it. So, yes, even scientists are science deniers too. They know population growth is the killer issue, but are avoiding it too. Thousands of scientists have brilliant technical solutions to reducing the impact of global warming. But avoid the root cause. They keep solving the dependent variables in their climate-change science equation. But population growth is the cause of the Earth’s problem, not the result.” Paul Farrell

  • “Agree on the not taking ourselves so seriously, disagree on the things listed as trivial, or that much of that is even particularly enjoyable. What could be more important than those things, anyway?”

    Sorry, Badlands. A case of sarcasm gone wrong. I meant just the opposite of what I wrote (sarcastically).

  • The waters northeast of the Fukushima plant are among the major fishing zones in the world, responsible for half of Japan’s seafood. But catch from the Ibaraki prefecture showed such high levels of radioactive isotopes that it had to be discarded as radioactive waste [27]. Radioactive contamination in the ocean does not get diluted away, like other pollutants it gets accumulated in the marine food chain, up to fish consumed by humans. Radioactive caesium in sea bass caught in the North Pacific continually rose from March till September, with a maximum found on 15 September of 670Bq/kg. Radioactivity not only disperses passively in the ocean by currents and mixing, but is also spread by fish and mammals. The Pacific Bluefin tuna was found to transport Fukushima-derived radionuclides from Japan to California. Fifteen Pacific Bluefin tuna sampled in August 2011 had elevated levels of Cs- 134 (4.0 + 1.4 Bq/kg) and Cs-137 (6.3 + 1.5 Bq/kg).

  • Dear Ulvfugl,

    I think that is right on. We are the ones responsible for our creations, and by not owning this we allow ourselves the freedom to destroy as if we are victims of that creation and destruction rather than authors of it. To wrench humanity into that level of self empowerment when they collectively invest in being victims seems beyond the scope of current potential. But for myself, I too am aware how I do not fully accept that level of personal power. Stuck between feeling puny to the powers that are and so not in full comprehension that they are my powers. That curse of habit and circumstance that one cannot undo alone and be of service to their fellow human who has not. In the end, if one becomes so empowered that power is like a cruel reminder that all must be empowered or none truly are. The law of equals. But this kind of awareness is the only treasure to be had and even attaining to some of it changes the power dynamic significantly, how many people do you think are in some level of that ‘God’ awareness Ulvfugl? The Hopi Indians had a culture that was very attuned to that kind of inner empowerment and their philosophy, if we can call their understanding that, was that it only took one person in full attainment, full goodness or godliness, to change our collective destiny. But that option as a choice which is where the power sits is diminishing now on the horizon of not choosing and no one is becoming fully good enough to infuse that higher view for the masses that the massed can easily see so we are dying, going extinct. I am certainly not that person. So I think, who am I to judge and so ‘most’ of the time, I do not. Just accept and be of service as I am able. Plus we had to displace ourselves and many think that must be reversed, but the ultimate sacrifice as I understand it is not to reverse that separation but to transcend it and in doing so you lose forever your right to return to that glorious oneness with paradise, but you gain the insight to preserve that same paradise. You become a guardian. You really started to get to the heart of it here for me. Thank you.

    Dear Logspirit,

    In us, through the memory, it seems good and bad can live on. I see that good in your expression. That’s all. I am thoroughly jealous you got to be with Manatees, truly angels in the water, the original merpeople, seeing one in real life has always been a wish and dream of mine.

    Dear Badlands,

    beautiful, beautiful. Your insight is at one with mine on this matter. I am very thankful for your voice and wisdom :-).

  • Among the too-many-things-to-research-all-at-once that I’ve thought of recently is the question as to whether radionuclides (or other junk emitted from Fukushima) bioaccumulate.

    There appears to be some evidence that they do, which is rather worrisome considering just how much such junk is being released into the ocean.

    Bioaccumulation, of course, is the process of concentration of toxins (or etc.) in the flesh of animals, increasing and stored in their flesh as it moves up the food chain.

    Folks in the media tend to say that we needn’t worry, as the dilution is so great. But bioaccumulation is quite the opposite of dilution.

    Where are the best sources on this?

  • @ TIAA

    Thank you for that interesting and thoughtful reply, TIAA.

    …how many people do you think are in some level of that ‘God’ awareness Ulvfugl?

    I can only guess. The Soto Zen teacher I followed, learned her stuff in the 1950s in Japan, and said she thought there were only 12 in Japan at that time out of the many millions. That is, truly saintly in the bodhisattva sense.

    I can only guess there’s one in millions, on the planet. There aren’t even paths for teaching people that I’d regard as much use, myself, following my point about being closely engaged with the natural world.

    There’s the Bishnoi, but their teaching is out of date, they are driving Japanese pickups and motorcycles. There’s the Kogi, whose ideas are somewhat similar to the Hopi, that you mentioned.

    The way I see it, first, a person has to clear out all the crap that they’ve been indoctrinated with by these horrible cultures that we grow up in. We’re born pure but we quickly get corrupted. It’s hard to get free from that cultural conditioning. When does there even get to be a chance ? After school ? By then most people have been so brain washed they’ve long forgotten who they really were.

    And then, they have to re-find their true self, and that’s quite hard, and get some power and a strong being. And that takes some time, and preferably some support and a teacher, so learning happens faster and gets co-ordinated.

    And the authorities know very well what trouble arises for them from the sort of people that are on that site that infanttyrone linked to, and they are always watching for start ups which they infiltrate and attempt to neutralise, and if they can’t wreck them, they can always just murder people with impunity.

  • @ Robin Datta
    Almost missed your post-reply to my kite post. Thanks. The thing that most amazed me as a kid was the way that the pull of the sting transmitted what the kite was ‘feeling’. It was like touching the invisible wind above.

    @ TIAA
    The next time I’m offered an invitation to visit with the Manatees I’ll tell them of your affection and respect for them. I’m sure they will selflessly send you blessings in great abundance – they probably already have. Thanks for seeing the good that my mom instilled in me, it is as though you are connecting with the goodness in her. She was the most caring person, for everyone, that I have ever known of in my lifetime. She always put other people first. If we had all been more like her, maybe we never would have gotten into the mess we’re in now. We would have been more considerate of the outcomes.

    I do my best to honor who she was, but I’m not as selfless. I am not enduring very well the real, physical discomforts of homelessness, it is reducing my ability to give and be good. It takes a lot of strength to love, and my deplorable conditions are weakening me. As we all succumb to a global epidemic of poverty, due to resource constraints, I fear we may loose what little humanity we have left. I guess all we can do is practice kindness now, strengthen ourselves now, for the coming maelstrom.

    There were fish in the crystal clear spring fed waters too, many were swimming together in pairs. Life is struggling to go on. It makes our ugly destructiveness all the more poignant. Being a human is embarrassing and heavy with guilt. Being sorry just isn’t good enough, after it is too late. Like Tom Sawyer, we have opted to surprise the world and attend our own funeral. But ours is real.

  • @Artleads
    Hey, no problem! Your sarcasm was so subtle, I didn’t recognize it as such. I was simply speaking to the sad fact that women in our society are supposed to be completely and utterly fulfilled by motherhood and home life, and to suggest otherwise is taboo, marking one as a ‘bad’ mother, a selfish woman.
    Myself, I just can’t be someone who micro-manages every meal, every minute of playtime, I can’t bring myself to care if the kids draw on the walls and scratch up the floors. There is no scheduling of educational activities, no arts and crafts. We listen to music, dance, draw, paint, color, play outside, collect rocks, go to the park, read- eat- and tear up books (depending on the age, of course). We learn sign language, how to say hello in chinese, thank you in japanese, numbers in spanish. We wear our thread-bare-hand-me-down-thrift-store clothes and look good doing so. Basically, there is no rigidity in our home, except that you don’t hurt people with your words or your hands, you are nice to things-living and otherwise, and you don’t call anyone stupid or talk about how people look.
    What we do have is a house so full of energy, joy, pain, happiness, hurt feelings, sadness, vitality, laughter, tears, misunderstandings, big personalities-there is simply no time to ‘keep house’, decorate the walls, entertain judgmental adults, or give a damn what anyone thinks. Is it fun? Sometimes.
    Other times it is agonizing. I crave quiet, solitude. I want to escape for days in the mountains. I want to talk to adults- and not the ones I’m related to, who prefer more shallow interaction than the real connection needed for healthy relationships and human growth. They mock me for living an authentic life, and though that can sting, I made the decision long ago to live my own truth, with full understanding that many people would not like the ‘real’ me, even those that I love. I don’t shut them out, because when they are ready to step into their own skin, I will be here, as I always have been.
    Would it be easier to play the game and conform to standards and expectations? Absolutely, if I wanted to ransom my own soul for some shitty life no one cares about anyway. Everything out there sets us up to fail, to ruin us, to keep us searching for the answer to our happiness. It doesn’t exist. It is a feeling, and feelings are fleeting moments, bursts of intense energy, and trying to grab and hold onto them results only in stagnation and spiritual sickness.
    So, I keep an open mind and go with the flow. I don’t have any answers, only questions, only understanding based on experience. My only goal in life is to nurture the fire in others, to never put out that creative spark hiding in each of us, that is waiting for the fuel necessary to ignite into full passion and curiosity for life. I think death can be scary, loneliness scarier, but the harm people are capable of bringing to each other is terrifying, and I want to avoid perpetrating it as much as possible. I fully understand that living this stupid american life indirectly harms many others, but I didn’t choose to be born into this.
    Well, now that I think about it, maybe I did. Maybe I selected this exact life and human experience to be born into. I can’t deny that possibility. And no, I don’t have any evidence. Like you said, ‘all is confusion, all is conundrum’. If one can sit with that realization without losing sanity, I guess a reasonable level of contentment can be achieved, but most don’t know when to say ‘enough’, are never content with life in it’s simple, miraculous presence.
    I say, let the two-year-olds run the place for a few days. They have no boundaries, no cynicism, just pure love and energy. We could learn something from that in our dealings with this world. Here is a song for you, special to me because my own two-year old daughter loves it and sings at the top of her voice, twirling and twirling with a giant grin on her face. A sight to behold.

  • Badlands – I think you have some of the luckiest kids on the planet, to have you as a mom.