The Sprawling Dictates of a Maniac Gone Sane: Debt Revolution

by Gregory Vickrey, a consultant in the environmental and political arenas who can be reached at gregory@gregoryvickrey.com.

Who would have thought that the United States government could be lead grassroots organizer in a campaign for sanity and economic collapse? While thousands of us dream of having the guts to pull up to the White House in a standard automobile or the rites of self-immolation in order to start the breakdown for rise-up, John Boehner may be the bold actor we seek for temporary guidance over the most-appropriate precipice of all: “saving the planet.”

Imagine, if you will, reality. Ecological collapse remains imminent without economic collapse; Sarah Palin controlled a relevant climate-political agenda 8 long years ago; Ke$ha sings a song more prescient than any 350.org message; and so many us think concepts of inception that will put us in control, rather than in jail.

That is reality.

“Saving the planet” is in quotes because it is the white man’s burden to take an approach of superiority regardless of circumstance and because it consults this writer’s ego so things make sense.

That is also reality.

And yet here we are, with science and reason on our side, without the foresight as a collective to recognize the gift Boehner and the rest of the United States Congress could bestow upon the planet, and our assumed crusade to do well by Mother Earth.

October 17. Google it.

The most aggressive climate scientists and the most asinine energy whores agree that we are in a world of hurt, facing calamity in number of 11 degrees Fahrenheit (5 degrees Celsius), in feedback loops unbeknownst to humankind, and in rhyme with death knells of up to 200 species a day and acidification of the foundations of all we eat.

Reality.

No one is grasping it.

As a “revolutionary” and/or “activist” you’ve probably received countless emails begging you to give to and write for and spread the message of your favorite big environmental or civil justice organization during these harrowing times. No doubt you felt compelled to contribute. To do something. To be “part of the solution.” But did you receive word from the desperate mom in the black sedan? Do you know why our brother placed flame to his own heart? Have you discussed over your favorite lager the plight of the plankton? Are you mesmerized or appalled by these ramblings?

These are real questions.

And it disgusts and intrigues me to consider that Boehner and friends are part of the beginnings of a possible answer.

No organization will tell you that. Friends will suggest you are maniacal. Your own “revolutionary” conscience will bend in fear at the thought.

Yet with consideration and science and the boldness within, we know: October 17 could be a day of celebration. A chance. A convoluted, distorted, disseminating way to return to our Mother, and return to ourselves.

A step towards accepting reality.

From Shutdown to Debt Showdown, we must embrace this time and our place to embark by taking a measureable step towards the appropriate collapse of all we know. October 17. Otherwise, the one Mother Nature delivers will defy all of our terms for what is reasonable, and there will be neither place nor time to rue the day we didn’t say, “Go Boehner.”

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Comments 76

  • The donate thing doesn’t seem to work. Not that I was going to give, as I do not have any money, but it won’t let me enter a number, something is wrong with it.

  • When the odds against our survival are so close to certainty, I guess any kind of impossible hail mary pass is worth considering….and then rejecting. Rep. John B. as savior? A right wing wet dream maybe, but…..really??

  • Don’t get your hopes up. A grand bargain is going to be made to raise the debt ceiling and kick the can down the road a little farther. Janet Yellen has been appointed to the Fed, another money printer. Stock markets will rejoice and rally to new heights. Besides that the panic and chaos that will ensue when the US gubermint finally does collapse will not be a good thing for Mother Earth. Envision billions of people chopping down trees and killing anything that moves for food.

  • October 17th, is that the date that the U.S. supposedly runs out of borrowing power? Is it the “default” date, when monies are due to pay the interest on the vast amounts we’ve borrowed?

    In either case it’s probably not going to effect anything substantially. It would be the end of America if we default so I can’t imagine that happening (and I doubt that Obama or Congress will allow it either). If you’re counting on the default to start the big step down (collapse of the world economies along with our own), don’t get your hopes up ’cause I think it’ll be a while yet. Yeah, sooner or later it’s all going to blow up anyway – what with the derivative bomb waiting in the wings (among other big financial problems for the world’s banks), but this isn’t it.

    I believe it will be a “fast collapse” and encompass the world economy and the various militaries, ecological collapse (that would involve the oceans dying, the planet undergoing extreme weather events of all kinds including heat, drought, flooding, storms, and the like), natural phenomena (like the Yellowstone super-volcano
    exploding, major earthquakes, pandemic outbreak, and other factors), but the “trigger” for the step off the cliff can come from anywhere
    including the stock market, social upheaval, the electrical grid going down for an extended period, supply chain disruption, or any combination of these kinds of phenomena.

    i’m now apolitical – and of the belief that (at least our) government no longer works to benefit the masses – ever since the Citizens United decision and refuse to participate in any but local elections (and even here, i’m not sure it’s worth the effort). I campaigned for Obama the first time but after his dismal, eye-opening performance during his first term, where it was clearly revealed to all that he is actually a moderate Republican, I gave up on political action. So Boehner, like most of the other rich politicians, is no hero and only works for the corporate sector and the wealthy elite to do their bidding and line his own pockets while he’s at it.

    In the meantime, life gets worse by the day here in the U.S. and the rest of the world. Fukushima is a preview of things to come (and could also be a trigger to the extinction of humanity), our own military (and homeland security) are unaffected by the “shut down” (soldier’s pay may be slowed, but it doesn’t affect the overall operations of our death squads), so things like food-borne illnesses are happening because inspections have stopped, the CDC isn’t working, social security checks might slow down and various other large watchdog and other agencies (like NASA) are sidelined – anything that could improve or benefit the common citizen is “on hold” til further notice.

    Otherwise, thanks for your essay Gregory.

  • I share your sentiments but not your optimism. John Boehner is not that stupid (not so sure about the tea party). A default would indeed throw the world into chaos (financially) and knock America to its knees. But I suspect, in the short run, the world would rally around another, more stable, regime – like China (although they are close to collapse themselves) or some collective of corporations would step into the breech.

    The capitalist world system has been running on fumes for the last 30 + years – it is dying. We have been in overshoot for at least that long. The question is “what will replace it”? I believe what we need is a form of democratic socialism (steady state) – however it may be too late even for that medicine to work.

  • Nice thoughts, Mr. Gregory Vickrey, thank you!

    The primary economy is what Nature gives us: sunshine, water resources and the hydrologic cycle, arable land, air, wind and atmospheric cycles, flora and fauna including but by no means limited to alleged “weeds” that are an integral part of the ecology and often critical to pollinating insects, earthworms, timber, edible plan and hamburger on the hoof, minerals, ores and exosomatic energy sources including sun, wind, water, beasts of burden / draft animals and let’s not forget bygone sunshine of decades to centuries in firewood, and of millions of years in fossil fuels. One could include supernovas of billions of years ago for their uranium and plutonium.

    It takes energy extracted, harnessed and skilfully directed to convert the resources into useable products such as broccoli and bridges, iPhones and ice cream, condoms and cathedrals. The process of production and the distribution of products is the secondary economy.

    The tertiary economy consists of the symbols purported to represent value in the primary and secondary economies. They are exchangeable for resources and products, but a are a construct for human convenience in marshalling, deploying and employing resources and products. Such symbols can include disks of precious or base metals, pieces of paper bearing green pictures of dead presidents, magnetised particles on hard drives, pieces of paper laying claim to such symbols (bonds) and to more tangible assets (stocks).

    Depleting resources results in depleting products. This can be temporarily masked by adroit shell games with symbols. The symbols can be directed towards greater effort at extracting the dregs of depleting resources, and continued creation of product; the symbols can be directed to promoting repletion of resources that are renewable in time frames relevant to humans. No manipulation of symbols will create anew depleting non-renewable resources. Nor will substitution get around the the problems such as energy density of renewable energy sources or the depletion of materials used to create the devices to capture such energy. Nor will it help much in clambering back up the net energy cliff.

    And when it comes to climate change all fat ladies choir, the Feedback Loops has begun singing after a time lag of several decades since the cue. How many of them might be silenced by geo-engineering arranged through the manipulation of the symbols? After a time lag of how many decades? How about geo-engineering sans symbols? And how to deFuke the Fukes sans symbols?

    An end to the shell game offers little prospect of substantive alteration in the train of events already underway.

    Peddling Hopium™ is soothing for now, but the chief soothsayers could be in peril when Panic™ sets in.

  • Hmmm…too bad Boehner just proposed a bill recommending the lifting of the debt ceiling for 6 weeks.

    So I guess Boehner isn’t quite the anti-Christ you hoped. Diabolical apocalyptic fantasies are fun (for somes types I guess), but collapse will look more like MadMax, not “the life and times of Grizzly Adams”. And unless you are ready to pull a Ted Kaczynski up in the wilds of the less populated areas of this country, which I highly doubt because you are posting on NBL and reading this, you can be guaranteed that when collapse occurs you will in short order be dead either by murder or starvation.

  • Boehner as savior? You must be kidding.

    He and the rest of the corporate shills simply wants to dismantle what little remains of government so that multinational corps and the financial elite can rid itself of any sort of regulation whatsoever. For them, a ‘social safety net’ is the underside of a highway overpass. All the while, the Teabaggers will tell you it is in the name of “Freedom”.

    The Republicans are the lunatic fringe and the Democrats have become moderate Republicans.

  • Thanks, Gregory. Innovative article.

    @ Tom

    Helpful reasoning, sir. Maybe those 20-30 TP members, and not JB, are the potential “heroes.”

    I use myself as the litmus test for what might work for the masses. If we old folks don’t get our SS checks, pandemonium will burst upon the scene. You’re so right about regulation too.

    My guess is that it comes down to the military “siding” with the masses against the super rich (those who produce nothing and/or have their foot on the gas pedal). Otherwise (IMO) we all perish sooner rather than later–the rich, the poor, the military, everyone. Somebody needs to grow a backbone somewhere along the way.

  • Sorry Gregory, wishful thinking. Ain’t gonna happen. There’s too much at stake for both political parties. It will be business as usual till the well REALLY runs dry.

  • What exactly does postponing the debt reckoning by six weeks do? How many times cn this be done before it loses any of the speedball effect it still has, just as government spending and QE are losing their effectiveness, measured in GDP increase per extra dollar of spending? This is a junky rejoicing over trace amounts of speed or heroin attained by washing out the syringe and reused.
    None of those actors on a loan in Washington are saviors. They are scavengers trying to extract what little nutrient remains in the carcass before the ship sinks.

  • From the DC shutdown to Fukushima, slapstick clowns are in charge. And so not only does the world end in a whimper, the sound track to the great die off is Yakety Sax.

  • interesting – everyone says: “The Fed can’t print money forever!” Yet, they do and they will. If I was a bank-robber, I would have no crisis of conscience, none at all.

    Japan’s national debt is 2 times annual GDP – go figure.

    I don’t care about much of anything anymore – I don’t measure my Resistance anymore – like the guy who will no longer fly to conduct his business – he uses video conferencing and such – but, he still has a house, a car, and an electric bill… he has consumed and still consumes way more than can ever be atoned for – and me too – and I know I’m guilty. The children suffer, there is no redemption.

    The only way this madness stops is some cataclysmic event that not even TPTB can control – some kind of pandemic or some combination of natural disasters that wrecks a substantial portion of the infrastructure, destroys supply chains and communication networks.

    I sit by the river and watch the polluted water rush past…

  • At first glance, I was angered by the first paragraphs, then I chuckled. I only wish you were right Gregory.
    Sadly, the two parties will just keep kicking the can down the line. It’s all they know how to do, and it’s in their own/only self-interest to do so.
    I would laugh if it weren’t so fucking sad.

    Still, thanks for a great article.

  • This is the mildest realistic scenario, the slow crash: energy prices will rise, the middle class will fall into the lower class, economies will collapse, nations will fight desperate wars over resources, in the worst places people will starve, and climate disasters will get worse. Your area might resemble the botched conquest of Iraq, or the depression in Argentina, or the fall of Rome, or even a crusty Ecotopia. My young anarchist friends are already packing themselves into unheated houses and getting around by bicycle, and they’re noticeably happier than my friends with full time jobs. We just have to make the mental adjustment. Those who don’t, who cling to the world they grew up in, numbing themselves and waiting for it all to blow over, will have a miserable time, and if people die, they will be the first. Save some of them if you can, but don’t let them drag you down. The first thing they teach lifeguards is how to break holds.

  • Yea sorry this isn’t going anywhere I’ve paid it very little attention.

  • @ NoMo: It’s already started the way you portray, but Gerald Celente has a quote you’ve probably heard: “When people lose everything and they have nothing left to lose, THEY LOSE IT!” I think this especially holds in a nation awash in guns. Nobody’s going to sit around and starve when they can just as easily try to steal someone else’s stash of food (or farm, grocery store or warehouse), and gangs will be only too happy to just shoot anyone who gets in their way, so mobs will be even harder to stop. What will happen? Will the police shoot the people trying not to starve to death – GREAT, then their troubles are over! See how easy it is when desperation calls the shots? Nothin’ to lose means, if I die tryin’ i’m better off – no more hunger or worries! In the meantime, what are the police gonna do for food if it’s that desperate?

    That’s why i’m going with full tilt chaos, mobs of crazy people (remember, there’s no drugstores now either, so no calming meds for anybody) running around shooting each other, probably eating each other too in the end, until we all just fry from radiation exposure, nuclear weapons, FEMA ovens, or the brown shirts going neighborhood to neighborhood (but only while the gas lasts) until finally the heat gets to everyone and everything that once lived.

    There’s nothing mild about collapse. At this point we’re merely slowing down due to resource depletion (including fossil fuels), but climate change is just starting to ramp up. Let’s give it a few more years (to say 2019, just for a marker) for your mild realistic scenario, which I admit is happening now, to take us into the inflection point, when there isn’t any way to grow food on the massive scale we do now (and it only gets worse from there, to the point that nothing will grow anywhere in sufficient quantity to feed anyone after some years) and the weather gets unbelievably worse causing all manner of damage (like supply chain disruption, critical infrastructure problems, and grid failure for extended periods of time – until it winks out one day) and death (expect the insurance industry to collapse along with the global financial system). Let’s see how the vaunted homo sapiens sapiens deals with that “new normal.”

    Here’s a little read for you:

    http://robinwestenra.blogspot.co.nz/2013/10/mass-extinction.html

    PETM Shocker: When CO2 Levels Doubled 55 Million Years Ago, Earth May Have Warmed 9°F In 13 Years

    The Paleocene/Eocene thermal maximum (PETM) and associated carbon pulse “are often touted as the best geologic analog for the current” manmade rise in CO2 levels, as a new study notes.

    The Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences paper, “Evidence for a rapid release of carbon at the Paleocene-Eocene thermal maximum,” concludes that sediment data indicates the carbon was released in the geologic blink of an eye. As the news release explains, Rutgers geologists Morgan Schaller and James Wright argue that:

    … following a doubling in carbon dioxide levels, the surface of the ocean turned acidic over a period of weeks or months and global temperatures rose by 5 degrees centigrade – all in the space of about 13 years. Scientists previously thought this process happened over 10,000 years.

    “We’ve shown unequivocally what happens when CO2 increases dramatically — as it is now, and as it did 55 million years ago,” Wright said. “The oceans become acidic and the world warms up dramatically.

    Note that if we stay anywhere near our current emissions path, we are headed for a tripling or quadrupling of CO2 concentrations from preindustrial levels.

    The nature of the PETM carbon burst has been a puzzle to scientists for a long time, but “Wright and Schaller’s contention that it happened so rapidly is radically different from conventional thinking, and bound to be a source of controversy, Schaller believes.”

    Still, any study offering new answers on the PETM merits attention, given the prospect that we might be doing something similar today.

    The PETM’s climate would be quite inhospitable to human civilization (see “The Garden of Eden had a 40-foot, 1-ton snake plus 90°F average temperatures“). A 2009 study Naturearticle concluded :

    If our Palaeocene estimates are correct, tropical temperatures at the slightly younger (55.8 Myr ago) Palaeocene-Eocene thermal maximum (PETM) could have reached 38-40°C, resulting in widespread equatorial heat-death as recent models and other proxy data have predicted.

    A 2006 Nature analysis of deep marine sediments beneath the Arctic found Artic temperatures during the PETM almost beyond imagination-above 23°C (74°F)–temperatures more than 18°F warmer than current climate models had predicted (see “A methane feedback from the past strikes again“). The three dozen authors of the 2006 paper concluded that existing climate models are missing crucial feedbacks that can significantly amplify polar warming.

    Significantly, the editor of this new study is none other than the “dean of climate scientists,” Wallace Broecker who popularized the term “global warming.”

    Two decades ago, Broecker said, “The climate system is an angry beast, and we are poking at it with sticks.” He stood by that warning in a 2012 interview:

    “We’re in for big trouble,” he says matter-of-factly. “There’s been a “true disruption of the basic climate of the planet.”

    “My point [with the ‘angry beast’ metaphor] was that by adding large amounts of CO2 to the atmosphere, we were poking our climate system without being sure how it would respond,” he says.

    At the rate we are spewing carbon pollution into the atmosphere, one might even say we are punching the climate beast in the nose. Paleoclimate studies, including this new one, suggests that is a very, very bad move.

    (me again) Remember, we’ve exceeded the rate of CO2 emissions they’re talking about (in amount per unit time, like gigatons per decade) for the past 50 years or so, and we’re still at it!! With the effects lagging the input of CO2, we can only expect a more dramatic temperature rise (and marine life heat death) in a shorter period of time than the one they found. So while you may assume it will be an adaptable slow gentle slope downwards, the reality may (and probably will) be completely off the scale.

  • The gov’t shut-down smells to me of collusion and orchestration to go to a fork in the road direction, on Gold devaluation as a means to take the oxygen from China’s growing stockpile.
    If I were a citizen of the USA I would be asking myself what the fully active NSA and agency folk may be doing in the downtime in gov’t offices, instrumentalities and utilities ?
    Also there is the reality that most of the true patriots there have been sent home, and their work stations could have had all manner of traffic across them that may have revealed the biggest swindle yet seen. But they are not there to see. I wonder will their view be the same when they hit the boot button if they get their jobs back?

    And then there is the stockpile of hollow point ammo widely distributed there.

    Everyone can always use a little help, but you guys seem sunk in dry dock,(on the beech of Doom?) Why not go feral now, and be adapted when what we sense is coming arrives ?

    Meanwhile….. in Afraidia ….

    ‘Sydney on track for record heat’

    http://www.skynews.com.au/topstories/article.aspx?id=913751&vId=4182817

    “Firefighters are standing ready throughout NSW as authorities warn of potential catastrophic fire conditions as temperatures soar.

    The heat is expected to create extreme fire danger in large parts of NSW and total bans are in place for 15 regions, including Sydney, the Blue Mountains, Central Coast Hunter and Illawarra.

    Sydney faces what could be its hottest October day on record, with the temperature forecast to rise to 39C.

    The NSW Rural Fire Service is warning of the potential for some locations to reach catastrophic danger warnings if the weather deteriorates beyond the forecast.

    The hot temperatures and strong winds are driving the fire danger with winds of up to 60-70 km/h forecast for southern parts of NSW.

    Sydney is tipped to reach 37-39C, while the far west could reach 42C.”

    Just wait for January!

  • So I have to say that this essay was a little hard to follow. If I understand it correctly, Gregory is asserting that the possible incipient debt default will kick off The Big One, economic -> social -> civilization collapse. This being a cause to celebrate, since it buys a little time for climate collapse.

    Maybe, but I doubt it.

    They will probably kick the can down the road a few weeks at a time and never quite pull the trigger. The Fed under its new chairman will continue printing money and monetizing the debt, calming the markets and holding down interest rates.

    Remember that this is ultimately an artificial crisis – all it takes to resolve it is a handful of old men and women to write something on a piece of paper and sign it. Compare that with widespread crop failures where there simply isn’t enough food – a “real” crisis.

    It’s possible that the wealthy and powerful will throw up their hand sand let their fortunes evaporate and their power bases erode without taking any action against said tiny group of old farts – or the steps of Congress could be lined with a few dozen heads on pikes and the remaining members becoming strangely compliant. Of course, once they step across that line there is no going back. How many lines have we crossed in the last 20 years?

    I think the theater in Washington is less cause than effect – the system won’t collapse because of their actions or lack thereof, rather they are unable to act because the wheels are gradually coming off the system.

    This could very well be a cold, hard winter for the 99%. Revolutions start in the spring. Will they really fail to contain the situation by providing bread and circuses while they still can? Seems unlikely.

    This looks to me more like a classic fascist uprising, where the wealthy and powerful who were convinced that this time would be different, that they would be able to control the thugs they empowered and thereby cling to power, and it is just dawning on them that the thugs are running the show. Just like every other damned time.

    And the thugs are like a dog chasing a car – now that they’ve caught one (government shutdown), what do they do with it?

    Turn on my V.C.R., same one I’ve had for years
    James Brown on the Tammy show,
    Same tape I’ve had for years
    I sit in my old car, same one I’ve had for years
    Old battery’s running down, it ran for years and years

    Turn on the radio, the static hurts my ears
    Tell me, where would I go? I ain’t been out in years
    Turn on the stereo, it’s played for years and years
    An Otis Redding song, it’s all I own

    When the world is running down
    You make the best of what’s still around
    When the world is running down
    You make the best of what’s still around

    Plug in my M.C.I, to excercise my brain
    Make records on my own, can’t go out in the rain
    Pick up the telephone, I’ve listened here for years
    No one to talk to me, I’ve listened here for years

    When the world is running down
    You make the best of what’s still around
    When the world is running down
    You make the best of what’s still around
    When I feel lonely here, don’t waste my time with tears
    I run ‘Deep Throat’ again, it ran for years and years
    Don’t like the food I eat, the cans are running out
    Same food for years and years, I hate the food I eat

  • I’m impressed with the level of financial knowledge being expressed by many posters. My, how things have changed. Just a few years ago, almost nobody knew that the USA’s financial operations had been outsourced to a private banking cartel in 1913.

    The thing I really like about banking is that capital/wealth isn’t really “lent”. Rather, it’s simply a bookkeeping entry where the bank records both a loan receivable (asset) and deposit (liability) at the time of the loan. But wait, it gets even better, because now the lender has to pay interest on something that was created out of thin air.

    Once you’re on to this scam, it becomes quite clear that all other business activities pale in comparison for the opportunity for vast personal enrichment. In fact, the rewards are so great, that it’s a trivial process to gain control of any form of government, whether monarchy or republic, simply via manipulation of flow, stock and rates.

    All of these puppets put on a good dumb show for the rubes, because the attraction for stupid ass politicians immense direct & side benefits of “public” office: respect, prestige, comfort, elegance & as much pussy as one can handle.

    But none of these people is so stupid as to not know the basic elementary truths about depletion, degradation & overshoot. Ultimately, they well understand that there will never be any holding of account for their actions. They may too fall short in survival, but they at least are having a hell of a good time partying until it’s over.

  • Cowgirl Apocalypse Haiku #60

    Rice grass sparkles pink,
    as white seed heads turn silver
    spirals on the wind.

  • Gregory Vickrey says,
    “Ecological collapse remains imminent without economic collapse,”

    I have a feeling that global economic collapse could happen suddenly,in the near future,& the results could be much worse than expected.
    Gerald Celente seems to hint at what could happen.

    “When People Lose Everything, and Have Nothing Left To Lose,They Lose It”

    We may end up with something that rhymes with the French Revolution.

  • The Land of Conundrums:

    The Sprawling Dictates of a Maniac Gone Sane? Who is this maniac exactly? Can it be a politician? Can it be a president? What are the grounds for thinking it can be? Who pulls the strings?

    Politicians are kept in the dark about provisions of the security state. And what they are told they can’t disclose. Who has the power here?

    The NSA spies on everyone, including politicians, and last time I looked it hadn’t gone away. Does the Dustin Hoffman movie “Wag
    the Dog” come to mind? Can one envisage “powerful” politicians (or groups of politicians) being led away to parts unknown? It’s a nightmare scenario, but is it far from reality? The question is whether it would be politicians of the right or politicians of the left.

    I suspect it would be those of the right, for they already control the levers of political power in the US (and thus the world). They are who ensure that we bundle ourselves up into a knot and make ridiculous noises.

    The security apparatus is overwhelming. At the same time, it is not omniscient. Neither is it immune from influence. Neither (I would guess) is it unified. I believe there is a fierce struggle within the military as to direction; there is no question as to its power and reach.

    I suggest that the military might be the maniac gone sane. But for that to happen wouldn’t it require the marshaling and unifying of popular global forces around the agenda of sanity? I’m merely curious to know. The alternatives don’t appear to lead anywhere but down (including for those who pull the strings).

    The US can’t afford a meltdown of its power. It will be upheld by any means necessary until the well runs completely dry and all of us are history. I don’t see JB or the TP changing that. Just my two (hopefully misguided) cents.

  • http://nation.time.com/2013/10/08/fiery-metal-melting-explosions-at-nsa-data-center-stump-investigators/

    Fiery, Metal-Melting Explosions at NSA Data Center Stump Investigators

    The mysterious conflagrations have delayed the opening of the million square foot facility by a year

    The NSA’s new data-storage center in Utah has suffered a series of mysterious meltdowns in the past year.

    Officials told the Wall Street Journal that 10 fiery explosions, known as arc-fault failures, have ripped apart machinery, melted metal and destroyed circuits. The repeated meltdowns have delayed the opening of the one-million square foot facility by 12 months.

    Investigators have not yet determined the root cause of the electrical failures, nor have they agreed upon a solution that could prevent the explosions from happening again.

  • Celente has been repeatedly wrong over the last seven years. He is like the boy who cried wolf, and when something finally happens nobody will listen to the guy anymore. I stopped listening to his mad ramblings a few years back and suggest other people do the same to keep a little sanity with them.

  • Some truckers hoping to jam the roads to DC in protest:

    http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/10/07/truckers-for-the-constitution-plan-to-slow-dc-beltway-arrest-congressmen

    Since the Left wing in the US is essentially dead, catering to people with college degrees or only mentioning workers when workers do something they consider noteworthy, the trucker’s protest mentioned above is already being dismissed as a red-neck circus of yahoos instead of a legitimate protest. I don’t care if this is a Right wing protest or not, some noise is being made and it needs to get louder. I sure hope this isn’t just hot air and that a couple fat cats get the cat nip scared out of them.

  • We have wandered so far into the dark that we have lost who we are.

    A talk given by Eben Moglen at Columbia Law School on October 9th, 2013

    Worth a read or a watch.

    http://snowdenandthefuture.info/PartI.html

  • As much as some here won’t like it, it’s time to get rid of the “right-wing” and “left-wing” labels. It’s a joke – it’s TPTB against the rest of us and it’s pretty simple.

    The blue states have the population concentrations. The red states have the farm land. Who do you think has a better chance post-collapse?

    At the time of the American Revolution, all of the US was a red state, and England was a blue state. Think about it.

  • The red state / blue state clash currently playing out is only the farce after the tragedy (the Civil War), and the first time didn’t end so well for the red states. Besides, the farmland is all monocropped and poisoned anyway.

  • Unexplained Mass Animal Deaths Doc:

    During his second term in office, Arizona Governor Fife Symington, III along with thousands of private citizens witnessed a “massive carpenter’s square-shaped craft at least two football fields in length and of unknown origin” silently navigate over Phoenix, Arizona on March 13 1997. The resulting public hysteria coupled with a media storm prompted Symington to remain silent about his personal and up-close experience, until recently. In his own written piece, Symington reveals the truth about what he saw; how it affected him while governor; why he kept it secret for more than ten years but then decided to speak out; and what our government should do to address the UFO problem. “I would not want to see another governor go through what I did in 1997, and it’s only a matter of time before it will happen again,” he states. But it already has happened including when Governor of California Ronald Reagan sighted an object in 1974 while onboard a Cessna aircraft and subsequently filed a report with military authorities; and Georgia Governor Jimmy Carter in 1969 along with members of the Leary, Georgia Lions Club witnessed and filed an official UFO report. Carter and the others watched ‘in amazement” a luminous object’s acrobatics from only 650 yards away and for ten minutes before it bolted with unimaginable speed into the upper atmosphere. Jimmy Carter’s mother, Ms. Lillian, also confirmed that Carter had been very impressed by what he had seen. “The UFO made a huge impression on Jimmy and he was certain that it was nothing from this planet. As the commander of a nuclear powered attack submarine he was intimately familiar with the latest military advancements.” She went on to say, “He told me about the sighting many times. He’s always been a down-to-earth no-nonsense boy, and the sighting by him, as far as I am concerned, is as firm as money in the bank.”

  • Dear Ulvfugl,

    I read the link you provided. The entire theory that is presented about the idea of freedom is not scientific at all, but bourne on personal prejudice that only an uneducated but apparently ‘educated’, ‘slave’ of the system, can contemplate. Of course because he is apparently part of the opposition toward the would be slave masters, are we to assume he is enlightened? Yet he speaks of his own blindness.

    There are people who understand things from a place of light because they already entered that psychological boundary defined as a contrary ‘river’ to see where it leads. It leads back to the heart of the matter of course, where freedom is born. Primal gift.

    So what to make of the drama of the hidden listeners? Those men trapped in the darkness of what they know and don’t know. Isn’t it obvious yet?

    But no, let’s keep our cultivated civilian sanity, even if the price is slavery and death in extinction, a merciful end because it is an end of our long and awful journey against the light of truth, that darkness that we catch glimmers of in science fiction and ancient myth. Soothing reminders of what only death can take us back home to. Freedom from this mental prison of fear and denial.

  • Ummm, so your saying all John Boehner has to do to save the day is dig his heels in and do nothing? Yeah! Go orange man! Stop crying in your whiskey sour and put on your superhero cape! Better yet, dump out that flask and start collecting the tears of poor wayward travelers who just want to hike in the national parks, who simply visit South Dakota to snap a picture of some dead presidents’ faces which desecrate Lakota lands. Fill that baby up! There are plenty of homeless vets and hungry toddlers with tear-stained cheeks, don’t let that shit go to waste! That’s holy water to you, use it to bless your fellow ‘I’ve got mine, fuck all ya’ll representatives’ of the people! I love this show so much, I will never turn the channel…wait, Sesame Street is coming on, I gotta run.

    For those truckers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrCMlSWlDX8

  • Rob: To be sure the problem isn’t Left VS Right, it is Top VS Bottom with the Top waging and winning the class war on all fronts. The Occupy Wall Street movement was a shot in the right direction before it got bogged down in its own weight. However, it is impossible to dismiss the fascists of the right wing who have done a fine job in winning the hearts and minds of the lower classes. You can’t ruin things as fast as this country has been ruined without a lot of help and lies from the right wing pundits, the knee-pad journalist and the non-stop propaganda machine which blames everything upon leftist policies that do not exist. The right wing denies global warming too. That the left wing does nothing about it doesn’t mean they are also in denial, but the result is the same.

    As it is, it appears the trucker’s protest is more limited in scope than originally hoped for or planned. A real shame. I suspect that everyone remains too job scared and docile to actually do anything. I have a protest march coming up Tuesday, almost completely directed at Chicago policies but what happens in Chicago matters more to me than what happens in DC.

  • p.s. Take it up with Boenher directly- http://drunkdialcongress.org

  • I have a sense that Americans are about to explode with violence when the economic collapse finally hits. Last night my wife and I were at a restaurant and I overheard a guy at the bar say he pulled a gun on someone who was banging on his front door. Also this week in the police report someone at a local restaurant got into a conflict with another bar patron and was asked to leave. He went out to the parking lot and fired a pistol round into the air. Americans are armed to the teeth and dangerous. I think that’s why Congress is scrambling to put together an agreement to raise the debt ceiling. They know things will get out of control in short order if they don’t.

  • As difficult as it might be for those of us under the spell of a culture soaked in the worldview of scientific/materialist/atheism to do, imagine that reality is the theater, among other things, of an epic struggle between forces and entities of Darkness and other forces and entities representing Light. Sort of like the Joseph Campbell inspired plot of Star Wars. Under such a scenario, we can imagine what means the Dark Forces would use to succeed in their evil plan to defeat the Forces of Light. Surely one of their goals would be to convince those on the side of Light to give up all hope of resistance. If this were possible, they might then quickly consummate their campaign of destruction, with little or no resistance from their disheartened and hopeless opponents. Their simple reiterated messages would be, “Give up all hope. You are doomed. Resistance is futile.” This message would be delivered in many subtle forms, including distorted forms of religion, and even false interpretations of science.

    In our imaginary scenario, the outcome of this epic struggle would depend on how many could be persuaded to join which side. Those few who awakened to the real nature of the conflict would have the difficult task of awakening others who might have fallen under the destructive spells of the Forces of Darkness. How would they awaken those still asleep to the hidden but crucial dynamics of the world they think they know so well? This has been the real issue of the drama being played out on Earth since the evolution of higher levels of intelligence. Those who have discerned it have tried to communicate it to their sleeping fellows in many ways, but have not yet found ways to effectively turn the tide from its dark journey towards destruction. Will they succeed before it is too late? Stay tuned. Or better, take a hand in this Great Game…

    I am afraid that those who are steeped in contempt for the mythologies of the past, and those who easily brush aside black and white dualisms as beneath their intellectual sophistication, will find this little daydream of no consequence or usefulness, as will those who hold the existence of deeper unseen dimensions of reality to be hogwash and moonshine. So be it. This consideration is not meant for them, but for those others who may be open to wonder if the travails of our world may not have some deeper bases, that may offer unexpected alternatives and solutions…

    @ Ulvfugl – I’ll address this to you although it is meant for others as well. You may wonder why I share on this blog, since my views are sometimes somewhat contrarian to the long term posters here.

    1. I am attracted to people who realize how terminally serious our problems are at this point in our Earth history. I share this depth of concern with many of you. That I do not share the belief that we are absolutely condemned to near term extinction, does not mean that I do not understand it is a very probable reality.

    2. I am here to learn and share with you all. It is not my intention to preach or convert anyone to anything. Forcefully and clearly stating my views does not mean I am trying to force them on anyone. And I am learning and changing through listening and questioning here. I value Guy’s putting up with my somewhat contrarian posture, and hope he realizes that science itself is based on openness to be questioned. As a teacher I feel sure he realized that the students who didn’t just go along with his views were sometimes more valuable than those who just took notes in order to spout back the “right answers” at exam time.

    3. However foolish my position may seem to some of you, I am seeking to come up with some tools to moderate the ongoing collapse and its devastating consequences, and prepare for the later stages, when certain resources, inner and outer, may be much needed.

    4. Thanks for coming to this site. Your presence here earns my respect. You have to be at some stage of awakening to the failure of the human enterprise to show up here. Maybe we can find some useful things together in this forum.

  • Guy said that art matters. This lady is the oldest living pianist and a holocaust survivor. She said even the bad is beautiful. For me, this seems to go with Paul Chefurka’s approach, of observing and marveling at the thermodynamic processes that underlie where we are headed. For those of you who have art and music in your souls, “dance under the gallows.”

  • Mike K wrote: “As difficult as it might be for those of us under the spell of a culture soaked in the worldview of scientific/materialist/atheism” and I had to laugh. This culture is certainly soaked in materialism, but science and atheism? No way! Science is fighting up hill battles all over. There is still a heavy push against evolution with people trying to have the “science” of creationism taught in schools. While the Boy Scouts of America are struggling to allow homosexuals in their ranks, there is an absolute horror of the thought that a scout or scout master could be an atheist. God is routinely shoved in our faces along with the bible and the action hero Jesus. We have senior governmental officials that believe in the Second Coming and actively fund money to Israel in the hopes of bringing about the mad events in the Book of Revelations. Science and atheism? Not in the country I live in, and I’m in one of the more “progressive” areas.

  • @ TIAA

    The entire theory that is presented about the idea of freedom is not scientific at all…

    Certainly not science, dear TIAA, but neither is the topic, I’d say it is more like socio-politic-cultural commentary, which is why I posted that link, because it speaks to the background context of what is going on, the heart of the American Imperium, modelled upon the Roman, possibly the best analog we have.

    There have been many other empires, Ottoman, Chinese, Inca, etc, but the Roman was the one that left written records that the British used to model their own Empire, and it was those records the the American founding fathers had access to when the USA was established, with its Senators and Congress and so forth.

    I think Moglen only sees a small part of the picture. We here are the ones who try to see the whole panorama. I think we can think of NSA as a sort of biological immune system. It was originally meant to alert the body of the Imperial animal to threats from nasty alien organisms, those beastly ‘communists’.

    But because of fundamental flaws, instead of defending the organism, it’s become an auto-immune disease, spying on it’s own, eating itself.

    After USSR collapsed, no commies, they had to invent a new enemy, the Islamists, which didnt exist, so the CIA had to create it, and then pretend that they hadn’t, and so it’s been a constant fuck up ever since, lies to hide lies to hide more lies.

    The NSA has got the dirt on every USA citizen, from the President all the way down to the most humble, what they eat, what pornography they watch, who they’ve had affairs with, what drugs they take, everything they did and said over the last fifteen years is in the vaults.

    Same goes for much of the rest of the world. This means they know all the crimes, where the money is, who did what, they can blackmail and corrupt and threaten to expose…

    And now, the Imperial Brain appears to be having an acute psychotic episode, unable to function, can’t go to work, can’t decide what to do…

    This is quite an interesting read

    http://dneiwert.blogspot.co.uk/2004/10/rise-of-pseudo-fascism_06.html

    @ mike k

    As difficult as it might be for those of us under the spell of a culture soaked in the worldview of scientific/materialist/atheism to do, imagine that reality is the theater, among other things, of an epic struggle between forces and entities of Darkness and other forces and entities representing Light.

    This notion goes back to Zoroaster/Zarathustra, Manichean Dualism, and as far as I am concerned, it is nonsense.

    You know, along came Newton, and noticed that instead of just darkness and light, if you got a triangular block of glass, you could split up light into all the colours of the rainbow.

    And now that heritage of scientific knowledge is telling us that the climate is changing very fast, and personally, I am of the opinion that peer reviewed articles in Nature are more useful and reliable guides than your imaginary ‘epic struggles’.

    http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v502/n7470/full/nature12540.html

  • “Light” and “Darkness” are all part of the space-time-causation universe, that one is aware “of”. It – whether “real” or “unreal” – is all predicated on the awareness (without the “of”). The awareness (sans “of”) is not a part of the time-space-causation universe.

    Thinking of the awareness of awareness intellectually leads to an infinite regress – awareness of awareness of awareness … etc. Turning the awareness on itself – the enquiry into “Who am I?” – is something else altogether. It cannot be described or shared. One has to do it oneself, like the Ouroboros.

    However the traditional approaches to this all prescribe preparatory practices..

    With ignorance of one’s real nature one flounders around in seeming perpetuity.

  • Drifting in uncertainty on which path to take to The End there is hesitation while slipping and sliding downslope. Surfing the avalanche.

    Applauding government shutdown?! Let loose the dogs of destruction without any constraints at all!? Well that just seems about right, doesn’t it? Just seems more or less normal in this fog of insanity. Par for the course. Right on corporate schedule.

    Cheer for the big bombs with festive cocktail parties in the glowing desert. Those were the glory days, weren’t they? Cheer for Radiation River of Fuke Land, we’re so clever and so heartless oh we’re so cool. Cool killers with silencers doing whole city massacres, in radio silence. The studio light blinks on and off demanding – SILENCE! In earnest silence. Dress rehearsal for the final silence.

    The TV news lip reads on and on about local fears and subliminal justifications to hole up and buy another gun. Maybe a convenient pocket model, just in case you get the feeling that you’d like to get mad at someone, someday, real soon. Feel the anger rising up. Go: Bang. Bang. Bang. Louder! Show some enthusiasm! BANG! BANG! BANG! That’ll show ’em. Then eat another chopped up animal and curse at all the poor people who are doing all the bad stuff to you. Challenging your privileges. How dare they! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!

    Sure, shutdown the government – let the corporate dogs out, go down by default. That will cure all the toxic poisons from the last 150 years… clean ’em right up by Jove, just make ’em vanish like toilet bowl cleaner. Spick-and-Span. The dodo and drive-in movies and car hops on June nights will return too, and our faded youth too, and all our lost friends too, even the prom night car crashed, the war torn heroes… clockwork crimson… in time for Halloween dinner, all this and more will be done by decree, they declare. Make it so, said the King of the Infants.

    …and the teabag was dipped by a Koch stained hand that slipped and now that dam bag is really soggy… pulled it will rip, left it will split… just like the rods at Puke-a-Scene-a. 100 feet in the air, hot marinating in our blood and spinal fluid.

    Yup, all the cool folks are out surfing the avalanche, in droves, for heaven’s sake. Kiss my aura, bonehead.

  • O/T Pardon me, (I missed quite a bit over the last week) but what happened to the ladies? Gail, Erin, wildwoman, Kathy C?

    @logspirit I’m not positive, but I think the essay is satire, which was why my own reply to it was highly snarky. And also not positive, but I’m pretty sure you are not allowed to say ‘aura’. (You should’ve told him to kiss your ‘radiant body’, a much more difficult task!)

  • “In Washington, the view is that the banks are to be regulated, and my view is that Washington and the regulators are there to serve the banks,” he said.

    Erm, not The Nation, The People, The Citizens, The Electorate, The Constitution, Democracy ?

    So, it was bad enough when the purpose of government changed to serving the corporations and the military-industrial complex, but now this guy is overtly stating that purpose of government is to serve the banks…

    http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/banking-financial-institutions/133379-bachus-tells-local-paper-that-washington-should-qserveq-banks

    Make no mistake about it: this is important. It is the latest, and one of the most significant manifestations of the fallout from the Snowden revelations about NSA spying on the global Internet. It’s one thing when the government of Brazil, a longtime antagonist regarding the US role in Internet governance, gets indignant and makes threats because of the revelations. And of course, the gloating of representatives of the International Telecommunication Union could be expected. But this is different. Brazil’s state is now allied with the spokespersons for all of the organically evolved Internet institutions, the representatives of the very “multi-stakeholder model” the US purports to defend. You know you’ve made a big mistake, a life-changing mistake, when even your own children abandon you en masse.

    http://www.internetgovernance.org/2013/10/11/the-core-internet-institutions-abandon-the-us-government/

  • Badlands asked:
    O/T Pardon me, (I missed quite a bit over the last week) but what happened to the ladies? Gail, Erin, wildwoman, Kathy C?

    I was wondering the same thing myself.

    On topic : Imagining that the spectacle happening in Washington now could have a positive effect on the fate of the planet is like imagining that a popular Broadway musical could turn the tides of destruction. It’s all a show. (however,it might be disturbingly interesting to see Boehner dancing in a unitard).

    Two books that I am reading that I would recommend.The first has alot of interesting things to say about the neuroplasticity of the human brain and how it related to our use of the internet.

    https://en.wikipedia.org
    /wiki/The_Shallows:_What_the_Internet_Is_Doing_to_Our_Brainshttp:

    The second one is Alan Weisman’s new book on human population called CountDown. It is a follow up to his book,The World Without Us. Alan Weisman lives in the same town that I live in and he was at Guy’s talk when Guy presented here in Western Mass the first time. I wonder if Guy’s talk had any influence on him. The book is highly readable and depressingly fascinating. A book after KathyC’s heart,wherever she is!

    //www.latimes.com/books/jacketcopy/la-ca-jc-alan-weisman-countdown-
    20130922,0,1576351.story

    p.s. Where’s BtDonkey.I’m missing the daily limerick.

  • Again, on the same tangent I shared with Ulvfugl, this article is not scientific at all. The lack of reason and logic is astonishing. If we are going to pour our hearts out can’t it start to make the slightest bit if sense in the real world? I feel like the mythological fantasies of our entrenched religios systems turned spiritual gobbledygook has had a terrible effect that is barely noticed as one cultural mask of insanity is thrown aside for one that is even more damaging to our collective will to take action.

    Sigh

    So it goes.

    Regarding the missing posters, perhaps they started their own blog. What would they call it if they did? ‘Bitch’n end limericks and science, a love affair’? ‘Science bats first?’. ‘Equality Abides’? …….hehehehe, 🙂

  • http://robinwestenra.blogspot.co.nz/2013/10/the-dangers-of-fukushima-4.html

    Saturday, 12 October 2013

    The dangers of Fukushima #4

    No One is Watching

    Dr. Mark Sircus, Ac., OMD, DM (P)
    Director International Medical Veritas Association
    Doctor of Oriental and Pastoral Medicine

    We are within weeks of what may be humankind’s most dangerous moment and it is coming just as the greatest credit bubble in history is about to pop. Images of the movie Armageddon, with Bruce Willis, have been hanging like a cloud over me. In the movie, everyone on earth was watching to see if Willis would succeed in blowing up the incoming asteroid. If he and his team failed, everyone on earth was going to die so everyone was paying attention and praying for salvation.

    The most dangerous situation humanity has ever faced is upon us and no one is watching. Only a few have reported on what is about to happen starting in November. The operation, to remove 400 tons of highly irradiated spent fuel beneath the plant’s damaged Reactor No. 4, could set off a catastrophe greater than any we have ever seen, independent experts warn. An operation of this scale, says plant operator Tokyo Electric Power Company, has never been attempted before, and is fraught with danger.

    The New York Times reports, “Thousands of workers and a small fleet of cranes are preparing for one of the latest efforts to avoid a deepening environmental disaster that has China and other neighbors increasingly worried: removing spent fuel rods from the damaged No. 4 reactor building and storing them in a safer place.”

    The Japan Times writes, “In November, Tepco plans to begin the delicate operation of removing spent fuel from Reactor No. 4 [with] radiation equivalent to 14,000 times the amount released by the Hiroshima atomic bomb. Removing its spent fuel, which contains deadly plutonium, is an urgent task. The consequences could be far more severe than any nuclear accident the world has ever seen. If a fuel rod is dropped, breaks or becomes entangled while being removed, possible worst-case scenarios include a big explosion, a meltdown in the pool, or a large nuclear fire. Any of these situations could lead to massive releases of deadly radionuclides into the atmosphere, putting much of Japan — including Tokyo and Yokohama — and even neighboring countries at serious risk.”

    (oh, there’s more)

    I too wonder what happened to the females who posted here and who seem to have disappeared in the last weeks.

  • Where did I hide my cyanide capsule?

  • Grant Schreiber Says:
    October 11th, 2013 at 3:28 pm
    Mike K wrote: “As difficult as it might be for those of us under the spell of a culture soaked in the worldview of scientific/materialist/atheism” and I had to laugh.

    You make a good point, Grant. I should have been more clear what culture I was referring to. That would be the culture of the power elites worldwide. These folks really are calling the shots in our world today, as they have for millenniums. The masses in spite of the myths of democracy actually wield little power. The powerful along with their supporting cast of intellectuals, academics, scientists, technocrats, militarists, etc. are overwhelmingly “realists”, who only sport religiosity as a front or manipulative device. The ridiculous beliefs of the masses are a minor concern to those in power. The philosophy that really governs the modern world is definitively secular. Many who post on this blog are avowedly atheist or agnostic, although some have replaced religion with a naïve belief that science has all the answers, even if those answers lead us to our doom, assuring us that we have no alternative since their guidance is the only real truth there is.

    Real science stays within the proper field of its limitations, and does not pronounce on things beyond it’s competence. Likewise real spirituality or religion does not pretend to refute scientific truth but operates happily within it as well as beyond it. Most people have little experience of these valid means of gaining and exercising knowledge. This is one of the thorny problems that keeps us in the mess we are in.

    @ Ulvfugl
    @ mike k
    As difficult as it might be for those of us under the spell of a culture soaked in the worldview of scientific/materialist/atheism to do, imagine that reality is the theater, among other things, of an epic struggle between forces and entities of Darkness and other forces and entities representing Light.

    This notion goes back to Zoroaster/Zarathustra, Manichean Dualism, and as far as I am concerned, it is nonsense.

    Deep ideas have been explored from earliest times, but we should not confuse the first efforts to formulate and understand them with later more sophisticated formulations.

    You know, along came Newton, and noticed that instead of just darkness and light, if you got a triangular block of glass, you could split up light into all the colours of the rainbow.

    Please realize that I am using ‘Light’ in the traditional metaphorical sense to refer to realities which are ethical, psychological, and mystical as well as other realities such as flesh and blood people.

    And now that heritage of scientific knowledge is telling us that the climate is changing very fast, and personally, I am of the opinion that peer reviewed articles in Nature are more useful and reliable guides than your imaginary ‘epic struggles’.

    The epic struggle between truth and falsehood, selfishness and compassion, good and evil is real beyond anyone’s imaginings. If one becomes obsessed with the idea that only the physical objects of material science are real, it might take a little imaginative energy to envision a larger reality that contains things hard to measure by physical means. Those subtler realities however have a lot to do with the fix we are in, and any chance of our growing beyond it. Thanks for your intelligent feedback, Ulvfugl.

  • @ TIAA

    You may, or may not, know, that there have been attempts to organise soceity and culture upon a scientific basis, following Comte. Both the USSR and USA tried it. Adam Curtis made an interesting documentary, Pandora’s Box

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auguste_Comte

    @ mike k

    You are, of course, free to believe whatever you want to believe, and nobody can stop you anyway, but in my opinion, this ‘epic struggle’ stuff of yours is very clearly Manichean Dualism – I can’t be bothered to give you references and quotes, and it would only annoy other readers – and it’s neither true nor useful.

    The epic struggle between truth and falsehood, selfishness and compassion, good and evil is real beyond anyone’s imaginings.

    What tosh. The other day you were insisting there are no facts, only interpretations. Today we have some ‘epic struggle’ that’s ‘real beyond anyone’s imaginings’. Total effing bullshit. The sort of garbage Bush spouted and that the Christian Dominionists spew.

    There is no such thing as ‘truth’ or ‘falsehood’ as an abstract universal quality, only when applied to a particular case, when one asks ‘Is such and such true or false ?’

    To elevate a quality to something it is not is utterly absurd. It’s like putting the colour orange on a pedestal and worshipping it as if it was a person. Same for selfishness and compassion. These are factors that occur within individuals, they come and they go. To dramatize that and make it into an ‘epic struggle’ is ludicrous.

    Look at the children in the playground, sometimes laughing, sometimes crying, they are primates, bonobos, there’s no great ‘epic struggle between good and evil’ going on, that’s just your silly fantasy that you are projecting onto the world to try and make it comprehensible in the terms you happen to favour.

    Whose good, whose evil, are you talking about ? What’s a good thing for one person is a bad thing for another. The whaling ship catches lots of whales, yippee, the sailors get paid and the owners get rich. But it’s bad news for the whales. For them, those whalers are pure evil. So whose side are you on ?

    If one becomes obsessed with the idea that only the physical objects of material science are real,

    Total red herring. I’ve never suggested any such thing. Most of the electro magnetic spectrum is invisible to us. What’s more, I’m quite happy to acknowledge the whole of quantum reality, whatever that is, with non-locality and entanglement and all the rest of the weirdness.

    What’s more, I’m happy to acknowledge the domain of spirits and non-physical beings, whatever they are. I believe in, accept, non-physical realities, whatever they are.

    it might take a little imaginative energy to envision a larger reality that contains things hard to measure by physical means. Those subtler realities however have a lot to do with the fix we are in, and any chance of our growing beyond it.

    Well. I don’t think you can make that claim without backing it with some sort of detailed argument or evidence. Otherwise you’re in the same boat as Kling and his supposed aliens.

    There’s no evidence or indication that there is any chance of our ‘growing beyond’, whatever that means. Just your wishful thinking.

    You see, ‘imaginative energy’, whatever that means, is no use. Fantasy and wishful thinking, is no use. These stories you are telling yourself are no use. They are just ways to deny the reality of the dire situation. Cuckoo land. Hopium.

  • Unconditional love is unlimited and extends it’s blessings to all beings without exception. It embraces the Universe and whatever lies beyond it. It accepts everything exactly as it is, and yet blesses all with its overflowing love. In the end, it is the most healing energy in creation. Freely offered with no expectation of any return or response, it nevertheless works a subtle magic wherever it is bestowed. This love is an intrinsic aspect of higher wisdom, the goal of all true spiritual growth. The hope of the world is in the increasing manifestation of this precious energy. Those who reject this blessing are self-condemned to the difficult karma that their refusal ensures. Unconditional love is beyond any religion or philosophy and exists as a reality independent of any attempts to prove or disprove it. It is like an ocean of bliss that is always available to anyone who opens their self to it. A world filled with those manifesting this love would be a quite different affair from the one we are currently enduring…

  • @ mike k

    You’re not paying attention. We’ve already dealt with that.

    Teachers have been preaching unconditional love for the last three thousand years or so. If it was going to work, it would have worked by now. It’s been a complete failure. It hasn’t stopped any of the wars or any of the horror, and that was when things were going well, when there was far less pressure.

    Now we are out of time. The idea that 7 billion people, soon to become 9 billion, as the biosphere collapses over the next couple of decades, will suddenly somehow become saints is absolutely absurd.

    You’re a fantasist, mike k, living in you’re own completely unrealistic imaginary cuckooland.

    Unconditional love does not stop the Fukes or get the CO2 out of the oceans or stop the ice melting or any of the other catastrophes.

    You know, people who think that their ‘unconditional love’ is being helpful are really just adding to the problem, imo, it’s such an infantile attitude.

    If we’re all happy and smile, then maybe everything will be alright. Yeah, just like the coca cola advert. Yuck !

    Tell it to the last rhino that gets shot, tell it to the CIA, tell it to the World Bank funding the biggest coal mine in the world in Indonesia…

    Sure, practice unconditional love. I’m all in favour. But it doesn’t make any difference to NTE.

  • @ mike k

    “Real science stays within the proper field of its limitations, and does not pronounce on things beyond it’s competence. Likewise real spirituality or religion does not pretend to refute scientific truth but operates happily within it as well as beyond it. Most people have little experience of these valid means of gaining and exercising knowledge. This is one of the thorny problems that keeps us in the mess we are in.”

    I’ve been wondering how the line is drawn between the two. How do the two fields interact and blend in psychiatry? A psychiatrist’s work is based on a medical background, and on other fields that are unquestionably in the realm of science. Yet, s/he has to make sense (or try) of anything, wild and rambling or spiritual, whatever, that emerges from a patient’s mouth or behavior. The therapist observes. What s/he observes can be physical or spiritual behavior, and it all must be dealt with toward restoring or providing wholeness to the patient. So it is scientific–observing and diagnosing–while not excluding any subject area of the client’s concerns.

    You mention why you came to NBL. I can relate to that. I came here because, while I don’t believe extinction is inevitable, I think it can only be avoided if we know the objective truth of our physical world (as honestly as it is attempted here and nowhere else I know of).

    My science awareness is that of the average person. (I’m above average in a few other areas, however.) But despite there being many scientists and science proficient people in my country of heritage, I alone was apparently aware of broad social/cultural/ecological collapse during the late 60’s. This pattern has repeated itself throughout, where I’m the only one trying to save trees and natural land, with everyone else thinking I’m touched. On other blogs I’m always clear that our ecological problems are much, much worse than any scientist (up to now) would reveal. (I actually *sensed* feedback loops.) How do I know these things? Clearly not through science. OTOH, science has presented an invaluable (and indispensable) corroboration and exactitude to what I already “knew.” So I, too, don’t put everything on science literacy. Is it, instead, one of several complementary way to get to the truth?

  • @ Badlands
    Well, the article struck me as leaning heavy on the ironic with perhaps a twist of imaginary sarcasm. “And it disgusts and intrigues me to consider that Boehner and friends are part of the beginnings of a possible answer.”

    If TPTB could invent a deodorant for bad auras… they’d probably have no trouble marketing it. That and little color changing mood* pills for the 500 billion dollar recently revealed and heavily promoted social aura anxiety disorder (saad) cure. Slog right through throngs of energy vampires with supreme confidence! And try TPTB aura brightening creme rinse and softener, enhanced with natural pineal gland extracts – you’ll emerge smelling (and feeling) like lemon furniture wax. And don’t go out on audacious dates without approved aura control undergarments – spiritual chastity belts – each one personally signed by Mitt Romney or one of his official clones and guaranteed to keep those impertinent wild aura kissers totally bewildered. Or… go au naturel and radiate anti-Fuke particles, with your ‘radiant body’, of course.

    Just some overt satire, with a twist of imaginary irony.

    *For those too young to understand, back in the 70’s there were color changing mood rings… that reacted to body temperature swings. Maybe they’re still being sold? Gnaw, there’s probably an app for that.

  • @ Ulvfugi & others

    One thing about love. It won’t go away. You can’t force anyone to stop loving. No matter what it is, good, bad, indifferent, love can’t be turned on & off like car keys. So even when everyone you love has perished in some disaster or another, and you are alone, you can still love them, as long as your mind is still rational, no one can make you stop loving. It really is all we have and what is left when there is nothing else.

  • Blather on.

    There’s little more ineffectual than a disillusioned intellectual.

  • Likewise real spirituality or religion does not pretend to refute scientific truth but operates happily within it as well as beyond it.

    Spirituality comes in bottles. The dichotomous delusion referred to as “spirituality” is male bovine flatus.

    This love is an intrinsic aspect of higher wisdom, the goal of all true spiritual growth.

    There is no goal, since there is no “spiritual” growth. The home plate remains the home plate after going through all the bases. As Jonathan Livingstone Seagull was advised: “Begin by knowing that you have already arrived”.

    Unconditional love is beyond any religion or philosophy and exists as a reality independent of any attempts to prove or disprove it. It is like an ocean of bliss that is always available to anyone who opens their self to it.

    The independent reality is Existence – Consciousness (Awareness) – Bliss. There can be no love without Existence and without Awareness, and without an other. The “ocean of bliss” has neither shore, bottom or surface: there is no other, and therefore nothing to love or not love.

  • @logspirit there’s probably an app for that

    Well, I’ll be darned! There is. ‘Mood Finger Scan’ is an entertaining app which tries to detect your mood via your mobile device’s touch screen. It acts as a mood sensor similar to mood rings.
    Oh, and I see you used the word ‘aura’ five more times. For shame! Just don’t go saying ‘chakra’. hehe. I was at the thrift store looking for winter clothes for the kids, and I overheard a guy asking his son if he knew what a ‘stereo’ was. He did not. No luck on the clothes, people are hurting around here, though we are thankful for a warm place to sleep and food to eat. Looks like I will be forking out for new boots and coat for the oldest, and doing the hand-me-down shuffle for the younger two, as usual.

    re: “The Shutdown”
    SD will be opening Mt. Rushmore Monday, via donations from local businesses to the federal government to the tune of $15,200/day. Meanwhile, on the Pine Ridge Reservation, an area with 80% unemployment, the shutdown will force the Oglala Sioux to furlough employees, release prisoners, and cut programs, including: energy assistance for low income people and the elderly (in an area still recovering from last week’s blizzard), food distribution (commods), suicide prevention programs, and programs for homeless vets and youth. Ahh, priorities, priorities.
    In other news, Pennington County (where I live), is digging mass graves for burial of the tens of thousands of dead cattle that perished in the blizzard. That number could range anywhere from 75,000 to 100,000, as they are still looking for animals, dead and alive.
    OK, now I’m a little depressed, time to ‘dance under the gallows’…

    @TIAA Well, Gail already has an excellent blog, which you’ve likely read, but if not, it’s called ‘Wit’s End’, (highly recommended) and she is the one who led me here a year ago. If she could see the trees here right now, she would probably be crying right along with me. They were going fast, but the blizzard decided to take them all out at once, which is fortunate, because now no one will have to wonder why they were dying in the first place, they can just blame the snow, oh, and last year’s drought. And God.

    p.s. I thought of you when I happened to watch Bruce Springsteen on Storytellers last night, describing his song ‘The Rising’. It’s generally accepted to be about 9/11, but he left that out, and wow, describing another song, ‘Jesus Was An Only Son’, he said this:

    Whatever divinity we can lay claim to is hidden in the core of our humanity, and when we let our compassion go, we let go of what little claim we have to the divine.

    ‘The Rising’ https://youtu.be/1CE5LzezBjE

  • In the Land of Conundrums

    @ Mike

    I’ve spent much of my life evading love. I fear love and never speak of it. But your fearless championing of love persuades me to address the subject. Not in any structured or systematic way, just jumping in helter skeler with whatever comes to mind.

    It is love vs. hate. And that is roughly equivalent to life vs. death.

    “Unconditional love is beyond any religion or philosophy and exists as a reality independent of any attempts to prove or disprove it.”

    I don’t quite know how to respond to that statement, except to say that love “works.” If you love weird weather that changes from day to day, you will adapt better to it than if you don’t. If you love what you’re doing you will do it well…

    If you love every moment of your time in a concentration camp, your chances of survival increase.

    If you love TPTB, you might start to understand them (and others are free to disagree). It is a question of death against life. Has humanity ever faced such a clear and simple choice? Living or dying. love or hate.

    Since you entertain thought experiments (I forget what you call them), I hope you’ll indulge one of my own. What if TPTB have that clear choice too, and are conflicted among themselves (or even within themselves)? What if they can see that our side means life for them, while their traditional path does not? Under such circumstances, how should we behave?

    Assume that we’re in a society of great flux, uncertainty and obscurity–with the eroding traditions of civility (and ceaseless, beleaguered efforts to maintain them) pitted against every kind of entropy. What would it suit TPTB for us to do? I think it would help them for us to resist…in a calm, endless, passionate, peaceful, loving, constructive, strong, gentle, compassionate, intelligent way. TPTB might not know or really believe in OUR solutions. We have to show that they work. Any action or inaction that lead to death (and what is NTE but death?) would be frowned on. Assuming there to be confusion and conflict within TPTB itself, the mobilizing and (quiet) self-organizing among the resistant would be welcome, or at least winked at.

    So, for the first time in my experience, I see a path that I can own, where I’m not against anybody, only FOR them. If they turn against me (beyond how we are normally all victimized at present), I have nothing to hide or be ashamed of. That is freedom. So love is freedom too.

  • What happened to the comment I submitted @9;50PM EST It was only a couple sentences. What I said was “We are all going to die. In NTE or something else – we will be dead.

    To love is positive. No one can make us stop loving. Love has changed the world more than anger, more than hate.

    Love is what we have left.

  • @ F. Kling: You’ve probably come across former Canadian defense minister Paul Hellyer who claims that not only are ufos real but that there are at least 4 separate races or types of aliens living and working among us now. He says that two of them are working with the U.S. government (on energy and other topics) and that they may be compared to angels in that they are trying to warn us of what’s coming.

    The problem is that even if what he says is true, how is it possible that they can do anything about all the pollution (from carbon dioxide to PCB’s in new born babies’ bloodstreams, from giant plastic gyres in the oceans to the ozone killing all the trees, from the Fukushima, Chernobyl and all the other nuke plants radiation spewing to cleaning up the tar sands and Gulf of Mexico oil damage) we’ve caused and the tipping points we’ve already crossed even with their advanced technology? How are they going to get the world population down to numbers the now damaged earth’s ecosystems can provide for and keep it there? What are they going to do about the species we’ve already lost? How can they change the entire civilization so it works for everyone and doesn’t harm the environment?

    There are way more questions than answers here, and if we give them unlimited power to make it all okay then we may as well say they are “god” or whatever and can perform miracles. If that’s the case why are they waiting so long when we can see the end of the road from here?

    Hellyer states that the different types of aliens have differing agendas, like the various people and governments here do. NTE goes beyond all agendas and to the heart of the matter – what are we going to do about it?

    So far, nothing. No plans, no leadership, no councils – the current agenda just keeps moving towards its own destruction, causing more and more damage every day.

    http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AoiN4vZEXPuTcA4Z0XzHT5ybvZx4?fr=yfp-t-900-1-s&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&p=paul%20hellyer's%2025%20minute%20speech%20on%20ufo's

  • What happened to my comments? The first never showed up, so I tried posting again. It too, disappeared.

    Love, the subject of my comment still goes on forever. We can’t choose when we die, or how, but we still hold the contents of our hearts. We can choose to love the things that were, that might never be again. We don’t know the resilency of nature. But look back at the history of the earth – complete disast4er followed by the still, small voice of life. And a new cycle begins.

    Love cannot be forced. Neither can we humans be forced to stop loving .
    If the earh , as we know it, is destroyed, and we with it, we can still choose to love what we remember.

    No One, nothing can make us stop loving. It is our choice, ours alone.

  • @ Queenie

    You can probably see your comments by now. This is a site bug, documented in recent threads. Either wait until the next morning to see them or delete your cookies from guymcpherson.com then refresh the page.

  • Dear Ulvfugl,

    Why yes, I needed another perspective on how man, after squeezing every last drop of sanity from the natural world, tries to make his own sanity in his artificial world. What do you think I think about that?

    Which leads me on to Dear Badlands and Bruce singing a soulless lament to the conundrum of man. Yes the imaginary rising, where our salvation that comes from within is lost to the chains of the sky god and his son as eternal sacrifice to make amends. There are never any amends, Instead all we have is a land that bleeds and bleeds for our salvation that will never come from an insanity made into law. Mans law, against nature. As if.

    And nature begins our deliverance from the chain with hurricane force of love and pity. True compassion for our suffering puts an end to it and nature after speaking of gentler ways is opening to the not so gentle ways. That is the rising….So I have become comfortably numb…

    An ode to a hurricane a Sandy salvation… on the beach of doom;

  • With thanks to Gregory Vickrey for his essay, I’ve posted anew. The latest set of video clips is embedded here.

  • From our local news today:
    After the storm, she was most saddened to drive down West Boulevard and see all the trees downed or maimed.
    “I thought maybe we should have a funeral for the trees,” she said. “I know it sounds silly, but it was really sad to see them like that.”

    Shall I tell her they were dead trees walking already? Still, a funeral for the trees…shall I wear black? or maybe green?

    @TIAA yeah, I wanted you to hear his description of ‘the rising’, but it’s unavailable online. I would think by now that I would’ve become ‘comfortably numb’, too, but not so. I do wish for it sometimes, because I am being torn apart by petty bullshit vs. the dying world. You know, gotta stay tough and engaged for the sake of the children and all that.

    ‘Good Bye Old Friend’ http://travel.nationalgeographic.com/travel/traveler-magazine/photo-contest/2012/entries/149266/view/

  • Thank you, Gregory. I found the line, “Imagine, if you will, reality,” delightfully droll.

  • Dear Badlands, it’s the petty bullshit we need to become comfortably numb to.

    Reminded me of the best Elegy ever and why not for all of us, even the Elephants where love abides.

    Do Not Stand at My Grave and Weep
    Do not stand at my grave and weep;
    I am not there. I do not sleep.
    I am a thousand winds that blow.
    I am the diamond glints on snow.
    I am the sunlight on ripened grain.
    I am the gentle autumn rain.
    When you awaken in the morning’s hush
    I am the swift uplifting rush
    Of quiet birds in circled flight.
    I am the soft stars that shine at night.
    Do not stand at my grave and cry;
    I am not there; I did not die.

  • @ Badlands
    I wonder if that app knows what I’m thinking. It should by now. It’s been listening to everything I’ve been saying. I wonder if it has learned anything, yet. I wonder if its caretakers ever care about their own lives. No, they’re not capable of that. Everything they think they know has been contrived for them.
    They can’t even tune into their own chakras… oops. Please don’t ban me, or I’ll be homeless on the web too.

    From an old man inside an old van at the edge of a cyanide tainted field, and aquifer. (cotton pesticides) Call for opinions: Should I drink the water or die of thirst? No, I don’t drink booze. What’s that? Bullets are faster? Fuke is hot and heavy and another big storm is on the way? Sigh. Happy Kundalini, all. Expecting a misty mourning on the quantum field.

  • @logspirit I guess there comes a time when there are no good options. Unless you can haul your own water from somewhere else, I’m thinking dying of thirst is not the way to go. Rain dance? Isn’t it possible to slowly acquire an immunity from small doses of poison? I say, quench your thirst. Become one with tainted nature. Oh, and you are never, EVER to say ‘Kundalini’!! Just don’t let ‘third eye’ slip from that wicked tongue…

    @TIAA That is lovely. Unfortunately, on the petty bullshit front, though I try my hardest to mediate and alleviate, I still have these relationships to navigate and kids to raise. Everyone seems to be full of it, and my skills at rising above are being sorely tested. I guess everyone has their limit, but walking away is not an option. I will keep trying to ride the wave. All this talk of love, and I’m coming to think I don’t really know what that is. All those I have loved and who supposedly loved me, have hurt me the most and done unthinkable damage. The truest and purest love I have ever felt came from animals and babies, for they don’t seem to judge as long as you are kind to them and fill their needs.

    My interpretation of ‘the rising’ was that we have the ability to rise up from our personal depths of loneliness and pain, and meeting our better selves, take hands to face all of the darkness with fire in our eyes.
    One more:

    “In His Own Shadow”

    He is seated in the first darkness
    of his body sitting in the lighter dark
    of the room,

    the greater light of day behind him,
    beyond the windows, where
    Time is the country.

    His body throws two shadows:
    One onto the table
    and the piece of paper before him,
    and one onto his mind.

    One makes it difficult for him to see
    the words he’s written and crossed out
    on the paper. The other
    keeps him from recognizing
    another master than Death. He squints.
    He reads: Does the first light hide
    inside the first dark?

    He reads: While all bodies share
    the same fate, all voices do not.

    by Li-Young Lee

  • Correction: It is arsenic, not cyanide, I was a bit tired last night. “The organic arsenical pesticides consist of monosodium methanearsonate (MSMA), disodium methanearsonate (DSMA), calcium acid methanearsonate (CAMA), and cacodylic acid and its sodium salt. They are used or have been used as herbicides on cotton and other agricultural crops, in forestry, on residential and other lawns and turf, and in non-crop areas such as rights of way, drainage ditch banks, fence rows, and storage yards.”
    http://www.epa.gov/oppsrrd1/reregistration/organic_arsenicals_fs.html

    Poison, anyway.

  • @Ulvfugl – “Someone is interfering with your hunting,” don Juan announced. “Who?” said Carlos, but he knew. It was La Catalina, his worthy opponent. Don Juan then said, “Without the aid of a worthy opponent, who’s not really an enemy but a thoroughly dedicated adversary, the apprentice has no possibility of continuing on the path of knowledge.”

    I hope you are not offended Ulvfugl if I sometimes think of you as an estimable aid to my thinking and explorations. After all, in science or any serious endeavor sharp criticism is needed, often more than the gentler hand of encouragement. Your strong reactions tell me where I am getting closer to the note I wish to sound. When I speak of love and compassion, the vitriolic intensity of your response serves as a litmus test for whether I have put my point as clearly as possible. A weak response indicates to me that I am watering down my message.

    I apologize for my slow tempo of responses. It now takes about three days for me to get any responses back. So I am in the dark as to whether my shots have hit any ears with effect…

    You wrote, “Teachers have been preaching unconditional love for the last three thousand years or so. If it was going to work, it would have worked by now. It’s been a complete failure. It hasn’t stopped any of the wars or any of the horror, and that was when things were going well, when there was far less pressure.”

    It has worked to some degree for all of us, and to a much greater degree for those who have opened themselves to such teachings, and practiced them. They are a basic feature of the plotline of the great drama humankind is enacting. If these teachings were magically effective, and did not have to be earned, then our history would be totally different from what it has been. The reason this drama is an epic is, among other considerations, that these basic issues, koans, for intelligent life to work on, need an extended time to be resolved. This world is not a one act play!

    “when their was less pressure”? Maybe more pressure will be needed to get our attention? In working with other addicts one observes that many have to be at death’s door to wake up to their situation and begin to effectively work to change it. It’s called ‘hitting bottom’. Humankind does seem headed into that dark night.

    “Now we are out of time.” This is your answer to all questions. Nothing matters, no hope, no meaning, just a remorseless machine of death. Current scientific opinion however does not share your NTE conclusion. We are just not intelligent or informed enough to make such a final judgment. That is not just my opinion, that is the opinion of thousands of scientists in the field of climate change and other environmental problems. Yours is a very minority opinion on this. You may be right in the end, but most qualified people do not think your case for NTE is proved at this point.

    “You know, people who think that their ‘unconditional love’ is being helpful are really just adding to the problem, imo, it’s such an infantile attitude.” How can I or anyone “add to the problem” if in your estimation it is all over and done? If I had the power to speed up the inevitable, would that be a good thing, or a bad thing? Of course as per your reasoning I have no such power, nor would it have any significance if I did.

    Borrowing a term sometimes used to refer to economics, I find your worldview to be a dismal science, that only leads to the devaluing of those things like love and hope that constitute for me some of the best qualities of those truly human.
    ————————————

    @Artleads – Thanks for your comments. You seem to be a seeker, like myself. I love this from Lao Tzu:

    Everyone else seems eager and dutiful…

    But the deeper way seems lonely and confusing.

    Everyone else seems clear and definite…

    But the deeper way seems dark and uncertain.

    What is a person to do when being adrift at sea,

    When being blown aimlessly anywhere…

    Seems to be a more profound calling?

    What is to be done with an urge that is confusing,

    Lonely… and different?

    When everyone else is guided by the affairs of people…

    What is this urge

    That comes from the Great Mother?

    (So, the Old Tiger felt that too…. Marvelous.)

    I studied satyagraha with Gandhi’s My Experiments in Truth and other writings. Also Tolstoy.

    “In the midst of winter, I find within me the invisible summer…”
    ― Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God Is Within You

    I studied Aikido in Hawaii.

    The real birth of Aikido came as the result of three instances of spiritual awakening that Ueshiba experienced. The first happened in 1925, after Ueshiba had defeated a naval officer’s bokken (wooden katana) attacks unarmed and without hurting the officer. Ueshiba then walked to his garden and had a spiritual awakening.
    … I felt the universe suddenly quake, and that a golden spirit sprang up from the ground, veiled my body, and changed my body into a golden one. At the same time my body became light. I was able to understand the whispering of the birds, and was clearly aware of the mind of God, the creator of the universe.
    At that moment I was enlightened: the source of budo is God’s love – the spirit of loving protection for all beings …
    Budo is not the felling of an opponent by force; nor is it a tool to lead the world to destruction with arms. True Budo is to accept the spirit of the universe, keep the peace of the world, correctly produce, protect and cultivate all beings in nature.

    Aikido could be understood as the way of harmonizing with the energy of universal love

    Maybe there is a different way of meeting the powerful and translating their energy to align it with the deeper evolutionary currents of the Universe?
    ————————-

    @log spirit – “…we have the ability to rise up from our personal depths of loneliness and pain, and meeting our better selves, take hands to face all of the darkness with fire in our eyes.”

    I bow to the beauty and wisdom of your words….

  • @ mike k

    I hope you are not offended Ulvfugl if I sometimes think of you as an estimable aid to my thinking and explorations. After all, in science or any serious endeavor sharp criticism is needed, often more than the gentler hand of encouragement. Your strong reactions tell me where I am getting closer to the note I wish to sound. When I speak of love and compassion, the vitriolic intensity of your response serves as a litmus test for whether I have put my point as clearly as possible. A weak response indicates to me that I am watering down my message.

    I’ve heard all this stuff before. It’s boring.

    You wrote, “Teachers have been preaching unconditional love for the last three thousand years or so. If it was going to work, it would have worked by now. It’s been a complete failure. It hasn’t stopped any of the wars or any of the horror, and that was when things were going well, when there was far less pressure.”
    It has worked to some degree for all of us, and to a much greater degree for those who have opened themselves to such teachings, and practiced them. They are a basic feature of the plotline of the great drama humankind is enacting. If these teachings were magically effective, and did not have to be earned, then our history would be totally different from what it has been. The reason this drama is an epic is, among other considerations, that these basic issues, koans, for intelligent life to work on, need an extended time to be resolved. This world is not a one act play!

    Fanciful nonsense. Perhaps you’d like to present some evidence to back up that thesis ? I don’t see any at all, as I mentioned in the next thread. Sure, at an individual level, there’s plenty of teachings that have made a massive difference to individuals. On the scale of world history, I see none, and now we get NTE.

    “when their was less pressure”? Maybe more pressure will be needed to get our attention? In working with other addicts one observes that many have to be at death’s door to wake up to their situation and begin to effectively work to change it. It’s called ‘hitting bottom’. Humankind does seem headed into that dark night.

    Yes, it’ll get everyone’s attention, eventually. But it’s already too late.

    “Now we are out of time.” This is your answer to all questions.

    Because that IS the situation.

    Nothing matters, no hope, no meaning, just a remorseless machine of death.

    I have NEVER said nothing matters, or that there is no MEANING. That’s what some others here have said. I don’t agree. But there is no hope, if we are going into a mass extinction event. Wtf, are we supposed to hope for ?
    That somehow it can be avoided ? Well, I don’t see any possible way of avoiding it.

    Current scientific opinion however does not share your NTE conclusion.

    ‘Current scientific opinion’ is bollocks. Most scientists are highly specialised and know almost NOTHING about other branches of science. THAT is one of the reasons why we GET this extinction event, because THEY have been asleep on the job for the last several decades.

    If you want to know what the ‘current science’ is you have to get YOURSELF informed. How many scientists are even aware of the methane problem in the ESAS ? The IPCC is ridiculous. All the assessments are very conservative.

    You did not pay attention to the paper that just came out in Nature that I linked to ? Not that that is going to be much use, because it has to get peer reviewed, to get published, so it’ll have to leave out anything that isn’t rock solid, but which is pretty damn obvious to anyone with a bit of common sense.

    We are just not intelligent or informed enough to make such a final judgment. That is not just my opinion, that is the opinion of thousands of scientists in the field of climate change and other environmental problems.

    Yes, the ones who got the melting of the Arctic ice wrong, by about 100 years.

    Yours is a very minority opinion on this. You may be right in the end, but most qualified people do not think your case for NTE is proved at this point.

    That’s not true.

    I’ve made the case. You have not been listening. WE have climate chaos NOW. Increasing extreme weather events. That’s all accepted science.

    That is the result of the CO2 that has ALREADY been put into the atmosphere, up to 40 years ago. THERE IS A TIME LAG. We have not yet seen the effects of the CO2 that went into the atmosphere since then, yet. That’s still to come.

    There’s NOTHING we can do about that. Nothing at all. This is the science, agreed by the climate scientists.

    Emissions have risen ever since, and are still rising, faster than ever. There is NO indication that they will stop rising, because there is no agreed plan, and it is politically impossible to stop burning fossil fuels, because it would mean billions of people have to die.

    YOU are not informed.

    Read Guy’s Climate Summary and tell me where there is something wrong with it.

    “You know, people who think that their ‘unconditional love’ is being helpful are really just adding to the problem, imo, it’s such an infantile attitude.” How can I or anyone “add to the problem” if in your estimation it is all over and done? If I had the power to speed up the inevitable, would that be a good thing, or a bad thing? Of course as per your reasoning I have no such power, nor would it have any significance if I did.

    Because instead of doing something effective you live in a fantasy.
    I don’t mean you personally, but the people who entertain the illusions.

    Borrowing a term sometimes used to refer to economics, I find your worldview to be a dismal science, that only leads to the devaluing of those things like love and hope that constitute for me some of the best qualities of those truly human.

    Yes, but who cares about that ? You just have not yet woken up to the reality. You are still living with the delusion, that the old situation that has prevailed for centuries still applies. You still think that there is some hope for a better world if everyone becomes enlightened and becomes loving and so forth.

    You still think there’s some let out because of some fantasy about an epic struggle, as if this was a movie.

    It’s bullshit. That world is over. Gone. Finished. Dead.

    I’m sorry to tell you this. You probably will never be able to absorb this information because you are an old man and it is the opposite of everything you have ever understood.

    What good does it do to tell you this ? None. It’s brutal and cruel. But it’s the truth of the situation. The situation is brutal and cruel beyond anything that words can ever express. Nobody wants to see it or to face it.

    WE, our actions, are killing the oceans. That’s just ONE of the terrible things we are doing. But that alone is enough to cause a mass extinction event. We have ALREADY set this in motion so that it CANNOT be reversed.

    Please don’t give me crap about universal love and epic struggles. How do those get CO2 out of the oceans so that the coral and the krill don’t die, because, as things are, in a few decades, they will be GONE, and the whole ocean ecology with them. And that means WE GO TOO.

    That is just ONE reason why we get NTE. The list is VERY LONG.

  • @ mike k
    Thanks for thinking it was me, but Badlands wrote that. Yes, she can soar. Meanwhile, I guess you know that I also studied and taught Aikido. I founded the dojo in Albany, N.Y. Time well spent in exhilarating joy. I still practice whenever I have the chance. Bow returned. Now we can both turn to Badlands and bow to her.