According to boxer Mike Tyson, “Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face.”

Industrial civilization punched the planet in the face, repeatedly. We wonder why Earth isn’t the same planet with which we grew up. We offer apologies, including recycling and hybrid automobiles, but we’re unwilling — as a society — to pursue substantive change.

And now it’s too late. Earth is done with humans. We’re walking around to save money on funeral expenses.

My response: Pursue what you love. Pursue a life of excellence. Throw off the cultural shackles. All of ’em.

We’re all in hospice now. Let’s give freely of our time, wisdom, and material possessions. Let’s throw ourselves into humanity and the living planet. Let’s act with compassion and courage. Let’s endow ourselves with dignity. Even if all the data and forecasts are incorrect, even if Earth can support infinite growth on a finite planet with no adverse consequences, please convince me there is a better way to live.

And let’s not forget the immortal words of writer Edward Abbey: “Action is the antidote to despair.” After all, I am not now suggesting, nor have I ever suggested, giving up. Our insignificant lives have never been about us. They’re about the shards of the living planet we leave in our wake. As pointed out by Desmond Tutu, “If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor.”

Anybody can cheer for winners. Essentially everybody I know sits on the sidelines cheering the favorites. I’m proposing we stop sitting on the sidelines. I’m proposing we get to work on behalf the underdogs. I’m proposing we start working to save the living planet. I’m proposing we start by dismantling industrial civilization.

Is there a better metric of a person’s character than how she treats those who can do nothing for her? Let’s treat others with respect as we leave this mortal coil. Let’s extend the concept of “other” to humans within non-industrial cultures. Let’s extend the concept further, to non-human species. You might think they’ve been doing nothing for us, but they’ve been providing for our own existence. Let’s return the favor.


I presented at MultiKulti in Chicago on Sunday night, 30 March 2014. Description and audio file are here. Video is embedded below.


I was interviewed on the radio by Mike Nowak on the morning of 30 March 2014. The podcast is here.


I was interviewed for an article in Truth-Out: The Vanishing Arctic Ice Cap was published 31 March 2014.

Radio interview from Tampa, Florida the morning of 1 April 2014 is described and linked here

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  • Natural selection accelerates NTE

    Sheldon Adelson, the Vegas-Macau casino mogul whose fortune is estimated at $39 billion, 8th richest man on the planet, who contributed $92 million into the 2012 presidential election.

    In 2012, Adelson kept Newt Gingrich alive with a $15 million infusion of ad money upsetting Romney. When that failed, he sank $30 million into Mitt’s campaign.

    Adelson says Obama should fire ‘atomic weapon’ at Iran, not negotiate

    Now, the 2016 presidential hopefuls “are falling at his feet,” said a veteran Republican strategist of the 80-year-old oligarch. Each of those who came, Bush, Chris Christie, and Govs. Scott Walker and John Kasich, apparently auditioned before the godfather.

    War Party Oligarch

  • This post had me on cloud nine, transcending my body and my culture. the introductory words are in perfect compliment to the song. a song i had never heard, and feel i was destined to hear. my inner child is immensely touched. guy has done what dabrowski thought was nearly impossible. he is become magnificent. have you heard his patience and humor and wit on the mike nowak show? and thom hartmann? he looked right in the camera and he was unbelieveably sane, and thom hartmanns shock was so real. omg. it is an honor to witness these discussions.

  • Thanks, Guy. That’s a nice, much needed little sermon. It offers the kind of uplift people used to get from wise and kindly ministers on a Sunday morning. Not necessarily something new, but something filling and soothing that keeps us alive.

  • There are always other concerns pressing upon a person every day. The car needs maintenance, the electric bill has gone missing somewhere on the desk, one child is inexplicably failing in a subject, the other child has become sexually active and meanwhile dad’s health continues to spiral downward. There’s a host of worries and on top of that all is an openly corrupt government, a warmongering society, a callous indifference to human suffering and the looming possibility of NTE.

    And it is from that possibility of NTE that everything else falls into perspective. The car always needs maintenance, they are inherently money holes. The electric company can wait, there is no major penalty. Both of the kids are happy and smart enough and you’re own exploration into sexual adult is fondly recalled. Dad’s dying is actually less terrifying than dad living on and on in a diminished state. The corruption of the society is entirely out of your hands and other than speaking out against it, it would impossible and foolish to riot alone.

    And more than that, none of that stuff really matters. It’s all part of the continuing of daily life. And being alive is now more precious than ever because run away global warming doesn’t care about any of your worries either. The problems one faces are insignificant, and in many cases downright petty. Food and water are still readily available, a situation most people on the planet do not share. There’s support groups if one needs them to deal with a dying parent, and if one desires there’s support for dealing with a dying planet.

    First realize how good you’ve got it. Then realize how incredible being alive is. NTE removes the fear of death because death was always part of the equation and death during NTE becomes meaningless. Death is only important when it’s your death. When it becomes everyone’s death, well what’s special about that?

    Only life matters now. How you choose to live it remains your sole concern. Being bitter, angry and resentful is one choice. Reawakening an almost childlike sense of wonder in the universe and all it has to offer is another.

    This isn’t a call to only see beauty, but a recognition that there is a lot of beauty to be seen. It’s still okay to complain about crap. Complaining is fun, after all, and never deny yourself a chance for fun. But I don’t know how many more days of sunshine there are left to enjoy, and I intend to try my best to enjoy them all.

  • Quite an impressive introduction form Dave!

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  • Latent Heat and Methane Burp?

    Being reminded of the importance of the latent heat of fusion of ice in the abeyance of temperature rise of the Arctic waters leads one to consider what might happen once the Arctic is free of sea ice, as forecast for 2016 by the Navy and others.

    One could expect an abrupt acceleration in the warming of the Arctic waters thereafter. How much of a grace period would we have if there was then a methane burp be in the offing?

  • @Grant Schreiber
    @ ULF
    Effit @ all of you who post regularly.

    Thank you for some of the most courageous, thoughtful, insightful comments, I have ever experienced. Had K through 12 and college provided such thinking, maybe the situation would be different today, who knows.

    U, at first it was difficult to determine what it was you were attempting to communicate, when you elaborated on mythos and logos, a light went on in my thinking and so much started to make some sort of sense. I’m sure ‘making sense’ is a construct, OK.

    Your last post helped expand on that line of thinking. Thank You

    @RD, your posts and the realm they compel me to suss out a bit more, are a bit tough to grok. There is a message here, but a tough one to unwind for those raised in the bosom of IC.

    Much glad to see wildwoman, lidia, nobody, and I miss posts from Gail and BC Prof Nurse amongst others, they bring another POV to the stew.

    I check with my community most every day, the truth and to an extent the absence of hyperbole is very welcome.

    I too seek a bit of beauty on a daily basis, in the time left to us. One of the attributes of following NBL is to not forget that beauty is fleeting, now more than ever.

    The greenhouse is putting out a lot of lovely starts, the garden beds need prep, the bees are almost to the point of making splits and growing their numbers. Watching the unfolding of the (still) seasons is a source of awe, wonder and joy. We will take time to acknowledge this and seek joy in our futile, no wait, fertile endeavors.

    The construct of time, as we measure it in our culture, is speeding up in my experience. I can’t lay my finger on how I feel this is, I just do.

    The next step on our journey, spouse and I, will be one where the destination is a final dirt nap. Maybe. The journey however is rich in sign and we might fail to read it, but try we will.

    Our efforts will be to power way down, learn to live much like our grandparents, make do, or do without, and laugh every step of the way.
    I too, am about all cried out as to the fate waiting most or all.
    Being a silent witness to the desecration to all that we hold dear, is enough to make me want to puke.

    My lack of courage in fear of being a target, shames me some. Running for elective office, showed us just how venal people could be. People, who did not know us wrote form letters to the editor, pillaging me for my efforts to inject some common sense points against BAU.

    So my somewhat infantile reaction is eff them, they can’t see when voting for unlimited growth on a finite set of resources results in a crash, tough shyte.

    Not the most mature POV, I agree. How do we change the story so that while people get the scientific truth, the social truth is the big missing piece?

    Alas, reading McPherson, Beckwith, Mann, et al, the effort looks to be to little to late.

    But, who knows, and most don’t care anyway.

    We will labor on with full knowledge on we won’t see the end of the story. Sad, cause I love a good story. I fell into enthrallment, when my forth grade teacher’s assistant read, Charlotte’s Web, and Island of the Blue Dolphins, both stories that didn’t have what hollywood would call a good ending.

    I fell in love with that voice and those stories.

    So my day starts with checking in on mi familia, at NBL, takes a turn with,, and X-ray mikes site. Yes, I lurk and post at DD, once in a bit too.Also the gardening blog at Artic

    I submit that those of us following the demise of the biosphere are the few that are aware of what’s coming or baked into the cake. What if any role we’ll have as matters get more dire, we can’t say with any degree of confidence.

    Guy reluctantly agrees. chance favors the prepared mind. Then we had a good laugh as to how to prepare one’s mind. Nobody really knows, do they?

    Take care my friends,


  • Another person who travels all over the place to tell us about climate change, which is partially caused by people travelling all over the place.

  • Thanks Guy! Seems like I’m a lot more mellow these days. I’ve let a lot of stuff go, it’s gone.

    Like Grant says, “I don’t know how many more days of sunshine there are left to enjoy, and I intend to try my best to enjoy them all.”

  • “The construct of time, as we measure it in our culture, is speeding up in my experience. I can’t lay my finger on how I feel this is, I just do.”

    I feel that too. I wondered if it was just due to old age. The planet is looking smaller too. Sort of sad. What a small place to support all the sound and fury, all the dreams of glory!

  • the realm they compel me to suss out a bit more, are a bit tough to grok

    A realm so close that it is not within the scope of knowing or experiencing: it can only be accessed as one’s being. An awareness of awareness, not an awareness “of” any”thing”. Turning the awareness on itself is somewhat like the Ouroboros, while recognising that even that is a construct, but awareness (not the word nor the concept, but one’s own direct awareness) is not. It is the subtlest of all, beyond even grokking.

  • Look on the bright side, Guy might be wrong. We, as a species, could just continually pollute our environment. Everything is going to be okay.
    Naw, just kidding,

    Thanks Guy

  • Just to let you guys know about heat down-under in Afraidia:

    ‘Records melt as Hobart swelters through hottest April day in 132 years’

    A quote:

    “Hobart has sweltered into the record books for April with the mercury soaring into the 30s.

    The weather bureau says yesterday’s 31 degrees Celsius was the hottest April day since records started in 1881.

    The mercury stayed elevated overnight with the usually crisp autumn morning replaced by a sultry 26C at 6am.

    The overnight low was just 18.1C, with the weather bureau’s Alex Melitsis saying it broke a record set in 1959.

    “This is quite a unique event, we don’t usually see these temperatures at this time of year, these minimums overnight,” he said.

    It was one of the warmest nights of this year, even hotter than some summer nights.

    “Basically there’s a very warm air mass over south-eastern Australia right now and that combined with a strong north-westerly air stream overnight,” Mr Melitsis said.

    “That prohibited the temperatures from really cooling down and just left warm air over the south-east of Tasmania.” ”


    on the impulse to become an activist on behalf of all life and the planet, that you feel, and others feel, from a very deep place in your being…?

    A Fourth Stage impulse….. perhaps….?

  • I will add to Guy’s admonishions, get together with friends and celebrate the fact you are not dead yet. :)

    Diner Convocation in Texas begins Friday. We welcome the Batters here on NBL to join us via the magic of the internet. I’ll be broadcasting live whenever possible.


  • Support comment here – I’ve installed a different anti-spam, the old system was getting overwhelmed. I’ll be at the above convocation, which is when Murphy’s law will strike. Apologies in advance, but the universe has a sick sense of humor.

    In an emergency I have a technical admin on standby.

  • Not my best. An embarrassing silly exercise out of futility, for sure… but here goes nothing anyway… something that will fade away with receding time in the shadowy recesses of a static electric~city archive… But, who knows… maybe I found a way to send some thoughts back down to Earth from the foggy future… or far, far out into the future beyond, to be heard by a very different foreign species… hey, there’s no one left up here to receive these noesises anymore. My friends, may it provide you some temporary amusement on your rough journey.

    When I wakened the disgusting stench was thoroughly palpable. So thick, it felt like I could touch the smell of all those billions of rotting corpses, all around, everywhere. I might be the last human alive. Don’t ask me what I’ve been eating these last few frigid months. They aren’t pretty or handsome anymore. A better question to ask is why I hung on so dam long. It wasn’t to smell this sickening pall… it wasn’t out of morbid curiosity, or hedonism, or for anyone or anything else… No, I was a frightened coward, hiding in my sweaty concrete pit, living on, on fantasies. I didn’t believe you people back then, in your time, but hell, you were right. Everything is dying off… all the birds have been gone for years, all the dogs and cats… eaten… long ago. The few horses that were left got cooked up. Squirrels and rats… then worms and cockroaches too. But some people started eating the corpses before they’d touch a worm. Some preferred ’em fresh and warm, and hunted. The grass browned and withered away a while ago… all the trees are dead and brown… what’s left of them after all the chopping and burning during these last harsh winters deep in the deep, deep south. Even the clouds have taken on a heavy brown cast. They look like big floating turds, raining brown rain. It all started getting really bad by `24. I’ve opened my eyes a lot more now, sipping some of that brown acid rain… now… there it is again… mixed with the death stench there’s a faint but distinct smell of rotten eggs – the hydrogen sulfide concentration from the bacterial overgrowth has been increasing in the puffs of breeze off the bay. Whoa! really caught it on that last… sniff

    And that’s how the last human died. And this disembodied voice is only your ego. Calling from the other side. The living frown, but the dead smile forever.

  • Doomer Support

    “In an emergency I have a technical admin on standby.”

    That’s great to hear- ….technical admin on standby…. in case of catastrophic climate change and NT(H)E….

    Well…eh… cough, cough… get on the blower then, right away…cause ….we’re at the stage we could call:

    “Having technical problems….can’t seem to shut it down.”

    Or is the ‘Technical admin’ the Clowns…

    Send in the Clowns


  • “That’s great to hear- ….technical admin on standby…. in case of catastrophic climate change and NT(H)E….”-OM

    We fix what we can OM. Can’t fix everything, nor can you Save Everybody either. You can only Save As Many As You Can. I happen to believe this number is >0. You can argue this with me from now until the Internet Goes Dark. I hope you have good stamina if you want to go down this road with me.

    Meanwhile, we have CHANGES underway. When Change occurs, you adapt or you die. Your choice there.

    Phil Ochs & Julie Felix singing of Changes.



    No-build zones could lead to massive displacement of Typhoon Haiyan refugees

    Tens of thousands of Filipinos affected by Typhoon Haiyan could lose their homes and livelihoods, unless a controversial government policy is changed immediately, according to a recent report by international refugee assistance group.

    In its latest report, Philippines: Typhoon Survivors Face Obstacles to Recovery, Refugees International (RI) urges the Philippine government to ensure that the rights of people in so-called “no build zones” are respected, and that any relocations take place in a legal and humane fashion.

    “Many Filipinos who live near the ocean lost everything in Typhoon Haiyan, and many want to be relocated,” said RI Climate Displacement Program Manager Alice Thomas.

    “But the government’s current approach is unrealistic and possibly illegal. There is nowhere near enough available land for the 60,000 families who previously lived in these areas. So if this policy goes forward, it could lead to forced displacement, making recovery for thousands of affected people far more difficult,” Thomas explained.

    In response to the devastation caused by Haiyan, the Philippine government declared that no homes could be built within 40 meters of the high-water mark in typhoon-affected coastal areas.

    Manila’s stated intent was to prevent deaths during future storms – which may become more frequent and severe due to climate change.

    Yet the decision in its current form has little legal or scientific basis and may be impossible to implement, RI stated.

    This week, the Philippine government announced that it may revisit its no build zone policy, but gave no further details. RI calls on donor countries and the United Nations to work with Philippine authorities to find a suitable alternative.

    “As climate change continues and coastal nations across the world are threatened, millions of people may face the prospect of relocation,” Thomas said.

    “Yet governments and humanitarians have no good strategies for deciding where, when, and how relocation should be carried out,” Ms. Thomas added.

    “That is why observers are watching the Philippines closely, and why the government must find a way to protect people from disasters while protecting their rights.”


    Climate change could make humans extinct, warns health expert

    The Earth is warming so rapidly that unless humans can arrest the trend, we risk becoming ”extinct” as a species, a leading Australian health academic has warned.

    Helen Berry, associate dean in the faculty of health at the University of Canberra, said while the Earth has been warmer and colder at different points in the planet’s history, the rate of change has never been as fast as it is today.

    ”What is remarkable, and alarming, is the speed of the change since the 1970s, when we started burning a lot of fossil fuels in a massive way,” she said. ”We can’t possibly evolve to match this rate [of warming] and, unless we get control of it, it will mean our extinction eventually.”

    Professor Berry is one of three leading academics who have contributed to the health chapter of a Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report due on Monday. She and co-authors Tony McMichael, of the Australian National University, and Colin Butler, of the University of Canberra, have outlined the health risks of rapid global warming in a companion piece for The Conversation, also published on Monday. The three warn that the adverse effects on population health and social stability have been ”missing from the discussion” on climate change.

    ”Human-driven climate change poses a great threat, unprecedented in type and scale, to wellbeing, health and perhaps even to human survival,” they write.

    They predict that the greatest challenges will come from undernutrition and impaired child development from reduced food yields; hospitalisations and deaths due to intense heatwaves, fires and other weather-related disasters; and the spread of infectious diseases.

    They warn the ”largest impacts” will be on poorer and vulnerable populations, winding back recent hard-won gains of social development programs.

    Projecting to an average global warming of 4 degrees by 2100, they say ”people won’t be able to cope, let alone work productively, in the hottest parts of the year”.

    They say that action on climate change would produce ”extremely large health benefits”, which would greatly outweigh the costs of curbing emission growth.

    A leaked draft of the IPCC report notes that a warming climate would lead to fewer cold weather-related deaths but the benefits would be ”greatly” outweighed by the impacts of more frequent heat extremes. Under a high emissions scenario, some land regions will experience temperatures four to seven degrees higher than pre-industrial times, the report said.

    While some adaptive measures are possible, limits to humans’ ability to regulate heat will affect health and potentially cut global productivity in the warmest months by 40 per cent by 2100.

    Body temperatures rising above 38 degrees impair physical and cognitive functions, while risks of organ damage, loss of consciousness and death increase sharply above 40.6 degrees, the draft report said.

    Farm crops and livestock will also struggle with thermal and water stress. Staple crops such as corn, rice, wheat and soybeans are assumed to face a temperature limit of 40-45 degrees, with temperature thresholds for key sowing stages near or below 35 degrees, the report said.

  • Rev. O’Brien, Helen Highwater:


    “Any man who afflicts the human race with ideas must be prepared to see them misunderstood.”

    HL Menken


    Yes, I am knee deep in the shit of global industrial capitalist civilization. Yes, circumstances have me dancing from rock to rock, trying to avoid participating in the destructive protocols of the dominant culture, and obliging to where it makes strategic sense to do so. Most people understand this. Most people understand the nuance between having and living an ethic in a complex world which leaves little to our individual control. Those who would deny this reality in order to deny your point are a nuisance at most. Hell is not other people, just other people in the comments section on the internet.

  • “When Change occurs, you adapt or you die. Your choice there”

    The heartlessness of these kind of statements is a bit much in the morning. I was wondering about the people in Washington who chose not to adapt to being crushed and suffocated. And some poor loser on the South side that didn’t adapt to having bullets entering his body. All those species deciding not to adapt to complete loss of habitat.

    Oh the murderous simplicity of being just smart enough to have an idea but without any clue of what it might mean. Alas, this is typical for Americans. Sigh….

  • What about the heartlessness of the Zebra taken out by the Lion GS?

    If you got the bad luck to be born in the wrong place at the wrong time, you are toast. If you can’t get out of the Big Shities before it all goes south, you are toast.

    Many people are in utterly hopeless situations, I don’t deny that one. If you can, you escape the main battlefield. I do not know your situation, maybe you can maybe you can’t. But whether you can or can’t but if you are like most people you will if you can.

    Anyhow, I feel empathy for those who are trapped in MENA and other places where things are now pretty close to hopeless. That does not mean you do not try to survive just because others have hopeless situations. You got lucky if you have some choices. Life takes a lot of Luck in general.


  • “What about the heartlessness of the Zebra taken out by the Lion GS?”

    The slip says it all: you blame the zebra for being eaten. Of course, if you had the sentence correct, you would still be missing the point.

    “If you got the bad luck to be born in the wrong place at the wrong time, you are toast. If you can’t get out of the Big Shities before it all goes south, you are toast.”

    And again, blame the victims. Nice that you get to decide who was born in the wrong place. It took me a minute to realize “Big Shities” means “Big Cities” which certainly undercuts any claim to empathy you have. And it’s historically misguided as well. As an Ethiopian official noted years ago “If we don’t feed the people in the cities they will riot. If we don’t feed the people in the country they will starve.”

    “Life takes a lot of Luck in general” is certainly a broad, and nearly meaningless, phrase. It is certainly hard to dismiss the huge advantages one instantly has being a white male American, but luck had nothing to do with it. My odds of being born poor black and in Africa were non-existent.

    You’re largely confused by what’s going on and think that there’s a technological fix to it and firmly believe “surviving” is the same as “living” without any clue of what being alive means in the first place.
    Holding onto fantasy belief systems is not demonstrating adaptability.
    For all the tough guy talk, I suspect most of us will still be stumbling forward while your corpse withers away.

  • Interestingly, “heartless” is the word Allen Ginsberg uses to describe Americans in an interview included in the excellent anthology Mavericks of the Mind.

    The follow-up anthology, Voices from the Edge, is also worth a look if, like me, you enjoy the interview format.

  • Thanks for the Mike Tyson quote! We use that one in our household all of the time. For anyone who hasn’t seen it yet,The “Mike Tyson Quote Song’ is full of gems set to a catchy tune.

  • @thestormcrow
    love the mike song

  • “Anyhow, I feel empathy for those who are trapped in MENA and other places where things are now pretty close to hopeless. That does not mean you do not try to survive just because others have hopeless situations. You got lucky if you have some choices. Life takes a lot of Luck in general.

    Like soldiers who lose buddies in war, and feel burdened by their own survival. I think many get past that by trying to “live extra,” do more, to absorb the life of their fallen friends, to do more with their lives than they otherwise would.

  • Unfortunately,there is not much of humahity worth saving.

  • How many ways can we throw up or regurgitate, in new (age) veneer, the patriarchal story of sin and punishment. This current one is a doozy. The mind in the corner, the soul chained in the basement, source of of fear and loathing, and daddy sitting and drinking his chalice of symbolic blood as he stares self rightously out upon the crumbling kingdom of his own doing?


    I’m laughing here. My mind and soul are free from that drama played out on the stage of industrial corruption. Me and nature are playing the game called life. Any one of us can choose that by rejecting the old story. The new story is of love and peace.

    Laugh at yourself Guy, and all. Laugh and let life back in. Christ as we have known it cannot ‘survive’ and that word encompasses the whole kit and caboodle of patriarchal delusion in sin, suffering and death. If there is no sin, and there isn’t, there is no suffering, and then there isn’t and there is only life and in that love. Love. Purified being. Welcome, please enter.

  • logspirit – I like your story. very evocative, and likely accurate. only a question of timing.

    Grant – “But I don’t know how many more days of sunshine there are left to enjoy, and I intend to try my best to enjoy them all.”


  • TIAA – “Gah.”


    great to see you here.

  • “The slip says it all: you blame the zebra for being eaten.”-GS

    Nonsense. If you are going to anthropomorphize it and place blame, the blame goes on the Lion who made the choice to go after the little baby Zebra with the limp. The Lion had the choice to Go Hungry or go after a tougher target, but Lions don’t do that. They go after the easy pickins first. The baby Zebra with the limp had no choice. It couldn’t get out of the way of the Lion fast enough.

    The point is, in either case assigning blame is really a waste of time, because this is just the way it works. Everybody Knows.

    “Life takes a lot of Luck in general” is certainly a broad, and nearly meaningless, phrase.”

    Broad yes, meaningless no. Where you were born, to whom you were born and in what time period you were born is all a matter of Luck. The seed that blows in the wind and drops on fertile soil in a sunny location with plenty of water germinates and grows. The seed that falls in the desert never does, the seed that falls in a place which had water once but no longer does germinates then dies young. That’s how it goes. Everybody Knows.

    Most of the population of the world is trapped by circumstances, they can’t leave where they are, they don’t know enough to change from being a bus driver to a farmer, they can’t afford to buy a farm…whatever. It is partially a matter of luck as to how trapped you are and partially willful if you can make changes but don’t. For those who are completely trapped I have much empathy, for those who simply choose not to change, I have little.

    Anyhow, I can’t do anything for the completely trapped, I can only try to wake up the people who are partially trapped who have a connection to the internet. After that, it is their responsibility to act on the information in whatever methods are available to them and seem the best idea.

    So, I run a website and pitch out ideas, and in a few hours I will board a plane and burn copious quantities of the remaining fossil fuels in order to meet with friends who also pitch out ideas, and then act on those ideas. What more can you do?


  • “Capitalism is at risk of failing today not because we are running out of innovations, or because markets are failing to inspire private actions, but because we’ve lost sight of the operational failings of unfettered gluttony.
    We are neglecting a torrent of market failures in infrastructure, finance, and the environment. We are turning our backs on a grotesque worsening of income inequality and willfully continuing to slash social benefits.
    We are destroying the Earth as if we are indeed the last generation.”

    Jeffrey Sachs, Self-interest, without morals, leads to capitalism’s self-destruction. Via Jesse’s Cafe Americain.

    How ironically prophetic. Or is that prophetically ironic?

  • To effectively play Last Person Standing, one has to be unhesitating in stepping over & on the fallen ones, not necessarily but most certainly figuratively – in a conceptual frame of reference. Psychopathy is selected for by hierarchy: unencumbered by empathy, psychopaths generally ascend in the system with ease. The same is true of the hierarchy of Last Person Standing.

    As Josef Stalin pointed out, one death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic. The psychopath may have empathy for one’s own tribe/band/family, but is able to disable it at will, as is a prerequisite in initiating armed conflict.

    Survival of the fittest is not just for the individual, but often more important for the tribe/band/family. And the human context extends even beyond, to the many administrative entities from village to empire. Yet positing “survival of the fittest” implies both “unfitness” and “non-survival”: these labels have to be applied somewhere. There is a difference between anticipatory labelling and historical results. The former is a part of the fencing off of the “us” from the “them”.
    “Preppers” need both prudence and psychopathy, for provisioning and fencing: not all have both in the same measures.

  • Not “everybody knows” to spot a psychopath: the psychopath sees psychopathy as prudence and recognises it in others. For the non-psychopath, it may take an uncommon measure of wisdom to spot the psychopath early.

  • Hey mo flow, thanks, glad to have you see me and value me. The feeling is mutual.

    I’ve been here, just was locked/ locked myself out of commenting this whole time. I emailed Guy about it, but nothing came of it. As usual I chose to see the whole thing as a life gift. So it was. Finally realized how to get back in. ;-)

    I’ve been reading and learning from all, here in the chrysalis called doom in the mean time and would like to thank all. :-)

  • “To effectively play Last Person Standing, one has to be unhesitating in stepping over & on the fallen ones”-RD

    No, there are other choices. You can try to avoid the fallen by going Remote, and you can try and educate and bring in Outlanders to build a Better Tomorrow.

    Once Globalism collapses, choices will be very local, so it really depends very much on where you are if you will be Last Man Standing.

    Chances are decent Last Man Standing will be some Inuit in Nunavut or some Kalahari Bushmen. Are they stepping over and stepping on the Fallen Ones? No, because the fallen ones are nowhere near where they live of course.

    Most of us cannot go so remote as Nunavut, but there are intermediary choices which require less of the stepping over/stepping on methodology. Certainly though, if you remain in a highly populated area, SOSO methodology will be quite common. Best to avoid that much as you can.


  • I can’t let this one pass by without sharing….

    ‘It’s time for a bigger recall of a seriously defective product: The Car.’

    A Quote:

    “A new study by the World Bank, Transport For Health: The global burden of disease from motorized road transport (PDF Here) looks at the human cost of our love for the car and it is beyond shocking. 1.5 million killed every year, more than die from HIV, tuberculosis or malaria. And no, switching to electric cars will not solve the problem; Air quality is a major factor and the source 200,000 of those deaths, but 1.3 million of those deaths are due directly due to road crashes. 455,000 of those deaths are pedestrians getting hit by cars. There are 78 million injuries needing medical care…..

    Because when you look at the true cost in lives lost and quality of lives of those injured, it’s just shocking that such a deadly product was ever allowed on the road.”

    I use a yellow fridge trolley to get things that are heavy, or bulky to and from my vacant lot habitation circumstance. The pump up tyres are pretty good, but getting the trolley on and off trains can be a bit dicey- need to be quick.

    I don’t think the planet can afford me owning a car/motorised vehicle.


  • A poem for logspirit. Always good to see you here.

  • What do you say to people who argue that America’s best days are behind us?

    That’s almost laughable. The only definition by which America’s best days are behind it is on a purely relative basis. That is, in 1946, when we made up about six percent of humanity, but we dominated everything. But America’s way better today than it’s ever been. Say you’re a woman in America, would you go back 50 years? Say you’re gay in America, would you go back 50 years? Say you’re sick in America, do you want to go back 50 years? I mean, who are we kidding?

    -Bill Gates

  • You can try to avoid the fallen by going Remote

    Physically avoid. Not conceptually avoid.

    “Chances are decent Last Man Standing will be some Inuit in Nunavut or some Kalahari Bushmen. Are they stepping over and stepping on the Fallen Ones? No,

    But they ain’t playing that game intentionally. Just doin’ what they’ve always done. Not only not stepping physically, also not stepping conceptually.

    No more explanations on this.

  • LOL. Clowns is not far off from most I.T. departments.

    I’m assuming if you’re smart enough to be this deep into what we’re facing with catastrophic climate change, you understood my meaning.

  • OzMan,

    “vacant lot.” Oh dear. Looks like the John Ashbery poem left a mark. I will say this: I’ve noticed that you don’t mention your family any more. May I ask why?

    What is a fridge trolley? :)

  • “Physically avoid. Not conceptually avoid.” RD

    Conceptually avoid? You’re joking, right?

    I’m not trying to avoid Concepts, I’m trying to avoid Packs of Ravenous Zombies! Concepts won’t eat my Brains for Breakfast!

    “No more explanations on this.”

    Pinky Swear? Is that a Promise? I couldn’t possibly be that lucky. lol.


  • About the Lion and the zebra.
    They have a role, and they both play it.
    And probably they even question it.
    And so on with the rest of nature.

    Humans (IS) have no role.
    No purpose (for the System).
    So we created one, to live as long as possible.
    And consume, and enjoy, and be happy.
    Paired to a lot of goals, like success, have a lot money (never is enough), fame or honors.
    That implies all the rest we know and see about us.
    We (as individuals) are the center of the universe.
    Actions and situations are valued from our individual point of view and benefit.
    In our actions, the System has no place.

    So far, to survive or live are the two faces of the same coin.
    A life without a useful purpose for the System.
    A total waste of energy.

  • @ mo flow
    – and –
    Kirk Hamilton

    Thanks to both of you.

    mo, yes, our clock isn’t indicating when it’s main spring will be completely unwound, but the ticking keeps getting weaker and more irregular.

    Kirk, great link to Lord Byron. I only had a passing acquaintance with his work, amazing how much he accomplished in 36 years of life. It’s unlikely any human has that much time to go in this world. We should all unfetter our creativity.

    Savor each breath the most we can.
    No more time… to write tonight. It slips away so fast.

    at the last horizon time ends

  • Here’s another part of the Fukushima fun factory.

    Here’s the key phrase for the time strapped:
    “she was shocked to discover that, in the wake of the 2011 Fukushima nuclear disaster in Japan, the Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA) stopped testing imported foods for radiation in 2012.”

    Living in the Age of Slapstick is deadly, but not without laughs.

  • Hey, the real identity of BKB9 has been discovered:

    Mr. Funk, how do you do?

    For everyone else, here’s the triple:

    Have a good day!

  • wildwoman – great post! Here’ one along the same lines, but wrt the environment and one of the biggest polluters (and notice at the end how it turns into a business opportunity!):

    Anadarko Agrees To Record $5 Billion Fine For ’85 Years Of Poisoning The Earth’

    Energy company Anadarko Petroleum Corp. on Thursday announced that it has agreed to pay $5.15 billion to clean up 85 years of harmful uranium, wood creosote, and rocket fuel pollution, in what is being widely reported as the largest environment settlement in history.

    The deal with the U.S. Department of Justice ends a long-running lawsuit against the Kerr-McGee company, an energy and chemical company owned by Anadarko. Kerr-McGee, the lawsuit claimed, was responsible for detrimental pollution at more than 2,000 sites nationwide which caused at least 8,000 cases of cancer, which in some cases led to death.

    “If you are responsible for 85 years of poisoning the earth, you are responsible for cleaning it up,” U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara said at a press conference.

    The settlement still must be approved by a federal judge after a 30-day public comment period. But if approved, U.S. Deputy Attorney General James Cole said $4.4 billion of the settlement would go toward cleanup and environmental claims.

    Of that $4.4 billion, The Navajo Nation would get about $1 billion to remedy radioactive contamination from Kerr-McGee’s shuttered uranium mining operation, according to the litigation trust. $1.1 billion would address pollution from ammonium perchlorate, a primary component of fuel, in Nevada. Another $1.1 billion would be dedicated to cleaning up more than two dozen other contaminated sites around the U.S.

    Though a $5.5 billion fine — larger even than the Justice Department’s settlement with BP over the 2010 Deepwater Horizon disaster — sounds like it would be harmful for even the largest company, it is being widely reported that Anadarko is enjoying numerous benefits from settling the claims.

    “Great news for Anadarko Petroleum today,” an article in Forbes read, noting that investors would be more likely to put money into the company now that it is no longer “haunted” by cleanup liabilities. Anadarko also announced that it would receive a $550 million net tax benefit from the settlement.

    The settlement with Anadarko is also at the low end of what U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Allan Gropper of New York said the company should pay, noting in December that a fine from $5.15 billion to more than $14 billion would have been appropriate. Anadarko had claimed that liabilities should be as little as $850 million.

  • wildwoman

    I don’t believe we’ve thought about this angle enough. This must be what “Charlie Rose, Inc” is leading up to. “Solve” one problem and make money, while all the related problems get worse. So if corporate action can’t do something it won’t get done? It’s all irrelevant from an NTE perspective, but it’s best to be alerted to how the “end” is being played out.

  • LOL. Clowns is not far off from most I.T. departments.

    Living in the Age of Slapstick is deadly, but not without laughs.

  • Since comments for the next post are locked….

    Guy, I’m not seeing you on the palimpsest here:

  • Guy

    Nice and very encouraging words, I totally agree.
    We have to start acting on behalf of our planet, without receiving something in return.
    Let´s also extend the concept of “other” to the non-living planet. It is important part of the Beauty and the magic.

    And, from time to time, it is good to remember what we are trying to keep.

  • Trust me, Lidia. I’ll appear on Thom’s show tonight.


    How can one not be enthralled by a fluttering flock of monarch butterflies landing in a hedgerow full of flowering milkweeds nestled on the edge of a farm or garden? But these butterflies’ annual migration — one of the greatest spectacles in nature — has become an endangered phenomenon.

    The number of monarchs reaching their overwintering grounds high in the oyamel fir forests of central Mexico has hit a record low. One of several factors that has contributed to the monarch’s steep, decade-long population plummet is the loss of milkweeds — the monarch’s host plant — as a result of herbicides used on fields of genetically modified crops. Some scientists suspect the largest contributor to the milkweed die-off is the herbicide glyphosate (the active ingredient in Monsanto’s Roundup brand, among other products). This problem, along with drought and habitat lost to farmland, is a perfect storm of natural and human-caused factors that has spurred the loss of many milkweed species, numerous monarch butterflies, and an estimated 130 other insects common to milkweed patches.

    Milkweeds are the only host plants monarchs use. Without milkweeds, there are no monarchs — and throughout Midwestern farmscapes, milkweeds declined by 58 percent from 1999 to 2010.

    Fortunately, some farmers and gardeners have found ways to manage weeds and pests — as well as maintain soil tilth and pollinator abundance — without using herbicides, or by employing minimal, targeted use of weedkillers.

    Beginning with the 2014 spring equinox and continuing through National Pollinator Week in June, thousands of people will be participating in events to get Moving for Monarchs (M4M). The M4M initiative will also host an event at the National Mall in Washington, D.C., in June. Colleges and garden clubs will advocate for the recovery of monarchs and will also host workshops on how to grow milkweed. A valuable perk of monarch protection is that schoolchildren across North America will be able to continue to study and enjoy the stunning monarch migration.

    Make Way for Monarchs is a milkweed-butterfly recovery alliance whose goals include restoring viable milkweed populations, and ramping up public and private partnerships that work to restore populations of North American milkweeds.

    You can join in: Grow native milkweeds in your garden (you can collect the fluffy seeds from roadsides in fall), count caterpillars on milkweeds in or near your yard, record monarch migration dates, and turn your data into Monarch Watch.

    Read more:

  • Just reading the last few posts, but they recall a question I’ve been wanting to ask Guy from his last few talks.

    He often concludes with mentioning trying to save as many additional species (evolutionary lifeform options) as possible beyond the time of our own disappearance. Something that takes account of the high carbon and methane levels that will prevail in atmosphere and oceans for up to or over 1000 years. (Too optimistic?)

    Putting aside geo-engineering, because we must assume the release of most of that temperature-trapped Methane, could we call it BIO-engineering if we attempt to aim Wa-a-a-a-yyy beyond the Human Extinction and create some “seed-shooters” which are automated to release some of the varied lifeforms we now have, frozen into a time capsule preservation mechanism (much like the growable seeds which have been found in various tombs & glaciers millennia later.)

    I’m thinking of things like the seed storage (is that in Spitsbergen?) and the potato preservation (4000 species) in Lima, Peru.

    (And, possibly a “command module” of Preservation biologists kept alive in isolation with these mechanisms to make such last-decade “adjustments” as are possible, as more climate change observations can be made “before the (last) lights go out.” Maybe just a good sci-fi yarn, but, any volunteers? ;)

    Much like the weather models which require the greatest computing power to even come close to giving us a few days’ notice of patterns coming our way, this one would require a predictive capacity probably beyond us at this point, but we have modeled some amazing stuff in recent decades.

    It’s basically a Hail Mary, shotgunning our best guess out somewhere into the future, to seed the survival of some hardy species, under various new climate scenarios. Possibly just a feel-good self-expiation, but what else are we going to do, knowing what we now know about our own fragility?

    Guy is the conservation biologist here. I wonder if he’s had any thoughts about cutting down the percentage loss of taxa in THIS Great Extinction? Has he begun to model a post-human biological world? I’ll bet he has…

  • Of course, upon just posting, I can imagine one of Guy’s initial answers: If you told people just WHO might be going to best survive us, it might be these critters, or their methane-gobbling cousins:

    and no one is going to set up a scholarship fund for helping their young’uns get ahead in life, are they?

    (I went looking for another microbe/bacteria book I remember seeing at the library years ago — it was a large-size hardcover volume, with the SCARIEST photos inside — horror-movie graphic artists couldn’t have done better than Mme. Nature already has! So if I find it there later today, I’ll see if it can be linked to.)

  • Henry,

    I’m reminded of an old sci film from back in the 70’s

  • Guy, I put it on “autotune” before I even wrote the comment. ;-)


  • Hi Tom

    I like that quote, it’s interesting what people say on the internets, however I do remember when I used to get pissed as a bastard and say the most awful things… in my defence I haven’t had a glass of lager for several years now, although I do occasionally wander around supermarkets and fondle a bottle lovingly. I’m considering starting to drink and smoke again when I hit retirement – something to look forward to.

    However back to the link…. honeyed words they may be, but we all know, logically, you cannot talk the talk and not walk the walk wihtout it making you look a hypocrite. It’s simply not logical, and I’ve so many years in logical thinking I couldn’t let it pass.

    It doesn’t even fit with these emotional slogans…

    “Be the change you want to see”.

    “First do no harm”.

    “Lead by example”.

    The thing is, I’m not bitching… I’m just pointing out the obvious.

    I suppose for me it makes Guy a useful but flawed spokesman, but not a leader.

    I would prefer it if he said somehting like yes I know it’s wrong, but fuck you… not try to fudge the issue with Jevons paradox and the Khazoom Brookes post-u-what?

  • For the punk fans (on the other thread)

  • Guy, I was pleased that you got so much time: half the show, it appeared. After the initial misapprehension, it proceeded smoothly, to my mind, but it’s hard to say since I’m already familiar with the material.

    I think you will have lost a lot of people who haven’t been primed, but that the second half went a little better than the first, if only because couched in more approachable terms. When you say things like “civilization is a heat engine”, I think that’s approachable, whereas it’s only some vanishingly small percentage of the population who knows what the “clathrate gun” is. It’s also kind of unusual listening to someone rattle off so many references to scientific journals and papers, when TV isn’t “about that”. The part about plants not being able to survive was important and comprehensible but seemed secondary to the rest. I think most people don’t know WHY extra carbon/methane/heat is so bad, and so that’s a point I would bring to the forefront.

    It’s obvious that Thom comprehends, though, and was asking the right sort of questions given the limitations of the format. Well done, I think, and worth a view by all, especially those who would like to propagate a “mainstream” link to this subject matter.

  • “…whereas it’s only some vanishingly small percentage of the population who knows what the “clathrate gun” is. It’s also kind of unusual listening to someone rattle off so many references to scientific journals and papers, when TV isn’t “about that”. The part about plants not being able to survive was important and comprehensible but seemed secondary to the rest. I think most people don’t know WHY extra carbon/methane/heat is so bad, and so that’s a point I would bring to the forefront.”

    Thanks for making these points, Lidia. That took courage. Average people, if not mystified by the barriers you describe, can do much more to resist industrial civilization than they do now.

  • Martin,

    A fridge trolley…?

    That was easy using a search engine!
    As for my family, you are correct, I don’t mention them anymore.

  • Er, thanks, OzMan, Robin …

  • Rev. O’Brien: You probably didn’t read the link, so i’ll quote the salient points from it (not to change your mind – you’re free to think what you want – but to clarify the common mistake)

    The hypocrisy claim is everywhere you find people critiquing any facet of the status quo. Antiwar activists who protested the Iraq war were called hypocrites for using gasoline. Occupy Wall Street participants were called hypocrites for using Apple products. My friends in forest defense have been called hypocrites for using paper. As an anti-civ anarchist I have been called a hypocrite for everything from having moved into a house during the winter, to having gone to the hospital when after forty hours of labor at home with a midwife, my partner was physically exhausted and wanted access to drugs so she could sleep. Every time these criticisms are leveled, it becomes a major energy suck to explain exactly how nonsensical they are. I would like to here dedicate this essay to shredding the “hypocrisy” argument once and for all, so it can forever be linked to by activists and social critics of all platforms and stripes, who neither have the time nor energy to swat at the many zombie hordes who become agitated when new ideas are presented to them which run counter to the comfortable patterns that they are used to, and who then proceed to scream “hypocrite!” in place of an actual counter argument.

    [further down]

    In some cases though, if the new information received cannot be deflected through argument or justification, and the need to preserve one’s picture of their innocence is too great, then calling into question the character or behavior of the information’s purveyor can also suffice. For instance, if an activist is working to halt fossil fuel extraction for the myriad reasons that such a halting would be beneficial, it can be difficult to disagree with this activist on a purely argumentative level. How could you? Deny climate change? Deny ozone killing trees? Deny the death and destruction from Alberta, to the Gulf of Mexico, to the Niger Delta? On an argumentative level, you’d be wrong every time. However, you could call into question the activist’s use of fossil fuels, thereby deflecting the conversation, and basically insinuating that, as Camus also wrote in The Fall, “We are all in the soup together.” Because hey, if we’re all guilty, then none of us are guilty, am I right?

    In the same vein, it is not hypocrisy to write a book about the ills of deforestation. Though it may be printed on paper, it has the potential to affect policy which will then lessen the total amount of deforestation. Not to mention, the loggers are going to log and the publishing company is going to publish. Using those resources to ultimately dismantle that destructive activity is actually the best use for them. So no, the person who posts on the internet about the ravages of mountain top removal coal mining or hydraulic fracturing for natural gas isn’t a hypocrite. They are cleverly utilizing the paradigm’s resources to expose its flaws to the light of scrutiny, in the hope that the consciences of people will be stirred to ultimately upend the paradigm itself. This is, in fact, the most ethical use of the resources generated by destructive industrial activity.

    Using the master’s tools to dismantle the master’s house is to be encouraged.

    [and finally]

    With the ever worsening issue of climate change, on top of the issues of political rot, net energy decline, and economic sclerosis, there will be more and more critique and analysis of exactly how societies are breaking down and what people should do in response. With this will come wave after wave of nonsense rebuttal to muddy the waters. At least when the defense of the status quo defers to indicting the behavior of the critics themselves, we can likely presume that their critiques are probably accurate, or at least that the status quo defender has no legitimate argument. For if the detractor had a legitimate counter analysis, they would present it. Attacking the messenger is behavior of the beaten. If I say “we need to abolish fossil fuels because they cause too much ecological damage” and someone responds “but you use gas in your chainsaw,” they have not displayed that my statement is untrue. In fact, there is a tacit admission that what I am saying is true, they just want to drag me down into the muck as if I’m not already standing in it.

    I hope you get it, Rev. O’Brien – you’re critique isn’t logical it’s twisted thinking that climate deniers use all the time and has no merit.

  • Guy asks: “Is there a better metric of a person’s character than how she treats those who can do nothing for her?”

    I had not heard this before. The metric I am familiar with is that is no surer way to determine a person’s character than how she treats those who are at her mercy.

    I suppose both are equally serviceable but I for one don’t take much comfort in these kinds of distinctions any more. Some time ago I encountered a study that threw me straight into the slough of despond. I’m fairly sure I read it on The Hipcrime Vocab blog, but when I sought to review it I couldn’t find it. The gist of it was that as people become richer they become meaner and even a little cruel. They certainly think little of the less fortunate; indeed, a chasm seems to open up between those who have been granted much and those who have little. This is the general trend, notwithstanding that some of the very rich are sometimes moved to perform acts of philanthropy.

    But the really lamentable finding of the study was that poor people are no better; they simply behave better because they know they’re vulnerable. It’s all an act. They appear more approachable, more charitable and more kindly disposed only because they know they still have a ways to fall and no wealth to cushion them; they need their fellow poor although they secretly fear and resent them.

    ►In 2008, China’s banks were worth 10 Trillion Dollars.
    ►In 2013 China’s banks were worth 25 Trillion Dollars.
    ►In just 5 years they grew a magical 15 Trillion Dollars!
    ►The entire 15 Trillion Dollar U.S. Commercial Banking System took 100 years to get to that size.
    ►The entire 15 Trillion Dollar U.S. Annual Economy (GDP) took 100 years to get that big.
    ►The China Bubble is the BIGGEST and FASTEST financial bubble in all of recorded human history.
    ►All bubbles burst as they drive gas prices higher and price spikes poke pin pricks in the bubble.
    ►This collapse will happen around the super-critical 2015 Paris climate negotiations rendering them useless.

    Why Is This Important?
    ► 90% of Lions gone since 1993.
    ► 90% of Big Ocean Fish gone since 1950.
    ► 50% of Great Barrier Reef gone since 1985.
    ► 50% of Fresh Water Fish gone since 1987.
    ► 30% of Marine Birds gone since 1995.
    ► 28% of Land Animals gone since 1970.
    ► 28% of All Marine Animals gone since 1970.
    ► 50% of All Vertebrate Species gone by 2040.
    ► Extinctions are 1000 times faster than normal.
    ► Ocean acidification doubles by 2050.
    ► Ocean acidification triples by 2100.
    ► 90 elephants are killed every single day.
    ► 2-3 rhinos are killed every single day.

    Why Is This Important?
    MONEY = POWER = MONEY etc.
    Energy conservation or efficiency doesn’t really save energy, but instead spurs economic growth and accelerated energy consumption. Here is the future.
    ►1/100th watt = $1 of global economic activity.
    ►500 megawatts = 1 average power plant.
    ►600 megawatts = China’s increased coal use every 10 days for the next 10 years.
    ►500,000 megawatts = 500 planned new nuclear plants for China by 2050.
    ►25 billion megawatts = World power output in 2014.
    ► Each Day, C02 per megawatt of power increases.
    ► Every 4½ days, 1,000,000 new carbon users are born.
    ► How many windmills, solar panels and batteries will give us just today’s 25 billion megawatts?

    Why is This Important?
    ► Hadley Centre for Meteorological Research (2009): +4°C by 2060.
    ► United Nations Environment Programme (2010) up to: +5°C by 2050.

    Why Is This Important?
    All the world wants 2 things, jobs and a liveable planet. We can’t actually have both without building a new nuclear plant every day to the end, according to Tim Garrett of Utah U, a guy who is seriously into economic thermodynamics.
    We are on track to wipe out three-quarters of life on earth in 300 years ― at most. While solar and wind power are useful, we cannot afford the ecological cost of running all our mega cities on just that type of power. Too many heavy and rare-earth metals, along with conflict minerals, would be required. The smog from the graphite mines alone, used to make the rechargeable batteries, would choke the planet. Even liquid metal batteries are too big and unsustainable.
    i forgot hydrogen as gas batteries new lower production costs and safety.
    H-fuel cells double efficacy have fewer parts for urban transit, Hydrogen can now be made directly from sunlight. Hydrogen vehicles only produce water vapour tailpipe emissions.

  • I don’t know if Guy will see this. There are answers to Thomm Hartmann.
    1. Malthus wasn’t wrong. He didn’t count on fossil fuels putting more “sugar in the petri dish” to allow population growth as we have seen. Population growth use parallels fossil fuel increases almost perfectly.
    2. Unintended consequences dog technology. Global warming being only one of them. They almost always rise to bite us in the arse.
    3. Solar and wind capturing devices are not alternative energy sources. For the renewable devices – wind, photovoltaices, solar hot water, hot air panels – the sun and wind are there, are green, are sustained. The devices used to capture the sun and wind’s energy are an extension of the fossil fuel supply system. There is a massive infrastructure of mining, processing, manufacturing, fabricating, installation, transportation and the associated environmental assaults necessary to build, install, maintain and replace the devices (if they are ever replaced).

  • Check this out (1.5 hr video):

    Catherine Austin Fitts: The UFO Economy – Dark Journalist Video

  • I’ve posted the latest essay from RE. My interview with Thom Hartmann is embedded toward the bottom of the page. It’s all here.

    Thanks for the information, sunweb. The interview with Hartmann was plagued by technological difficulties, and it was too short to cover even half the material I wanted to address.

  • @Guy

    My favorite quote of yours is: “Try holding your breath while counting your money.” If only we could convince more people to do that eh?

    From the last thread….


    The aluminum predator barrier on the bluebird nesting box is *not* aluminum foil. It is aluminum flashing which is a rolled sheet metal product typically used in building construction and known as aluminum flashing.


    Where is ogardener located? As our former (USA) VP Richard “Dick” Cheney was so fond of saying, I am presently at an undisclosed location on a beach in Florida (assisting my elderly Mom) and when I’m not doing that I’m soaking up some rays, drinking wine, eating some cheese and checking out scantily clad women. Where I normally reside in New England I have a grad molecular bio person looking after the plant-o-matic until I return in a few days. So no worries mate and cheers.


    We should start a campaign and use this slogan: If you love animals, then stop eating them. – found that gem while surfing Stumbleupon.


    Don’t let the bitchers and moaners get to you. I suspect they haven’t a clue about such things. Of course they are always welcome to show the rest of us how it is done with their own WordPress website.

    I was recently in a CVS pharma to get some things for Mom and in walks a woman with a small dog in her arms. The store manager indicated to the woman that dogs are not allowed in the store whether the dog was in her arms or not. The woman responded to the manager, “My dog is cleaner than your kids.” and proceeded to the check out. So I’m thinking when the corporatocracy installs a fascist republican in 2016 that it’s going to be ‘Hunger Games’ for Murka.


    Alien Warrior Comedian

  • ogardener,

    And if only we could convince more people not to be so hung up on status and rank, like you seem to be. So what if people who comment on NBL are unhappy with RE’s changes. Do you think they should just remember their place and keep silent? So what if they haven’t mastered WordPress admin. Do you think they should just put up or shut up? Apparently you do.

    Everybody makes mistakes. I’m sure RE is flying by the seat of his pants so a few screw-ups are inevitable. That is not the problem. The problem is that RE is too proud and vain, and you’re not helping.

    RE has received valid criticism. A modest man would have taken note of it and remedied his errors by now as a gesture of goodwill if nothing else.

  • Dear Reverend O’brien,

    Thanks for the peek into your honest life reflections. I could not help but laugh in joy at your story of supermarket lager fondling. Good for you.

    Regarding hypocricy my take is that it is part and parcel of the patriarchal industrial paradigm. No one is guilty but all are participants. We can no more help by blaming self or others for that than if we did so for the fact we walk upright on two feet. But unlike our upright physical stance which cannot be changed, our stance in hypocrisy is a construct of the mind and can be changed. The place to start is in the mind. From there authenticity can spread. What would an authentic humanity be able to do? Hypocricy blinds us to the answers. Answers to all our patriarchal problems of hypocricy.

  • Catherine Austin Fitts: The UFO Economy – Dark Journalist Video

    Magical thinking. Agency. Maybe they will save us/me. Arguments from ignorance, I can’t imagine……..

    Anything except were fucked, it’s our own doing and there is NO fix.

    Anyone possessing the technology for interstellar space travel could surly develop a greenhouse gas vacuum cleaner. Also, they would not need to cut creatures open with sharpened objects to perform an autopsy. We are already at least half way to bloodless autopsies with our imagining technology. Save the cows.

  • Hi Tom

    Let’s agree to disagree then, simples.

    I think Guy is an intriguing speaker/writer, but as it stands, in my opinion, Guy isn’t going to be the one to lead us out of trouble.


  • Fair enough Rev. – and you’re correct: no one is going to lead us out of what we’ve done.

  • Hi TIAA

    I was wondering recently if the only reason God hasn’t flushed the whole lot of us down the bog is because of the fairer sex :)

    Hi Tom

    I would disagree with that, I’m currently listening to the radio shows over here

    Dane thinks very highly of Guy, but disagrees it’s too late.