Events from Illinois and Canada

I was interviewed for Resistance Radio a few weeks ago. The interview will air Sunday, 13 April 2014, at 6:00 p.m. Eastern time. Catch it here. Interview will air next week.

Studio presentation and subsequent interview with David Thompson in Bolingbrook, Illinois on Saturday, 29 March 2014

8 April 2014 conversation with Paul Beckwith in Ottawa shot by Pauline Schneider (high-quality version embedded below)

Guy & Paul from Pauline Schneider on Vimeo.

9 April 2014 radio interview with Jason Turnbull, CBC radio in Sudbury, Canada

9 April 2014 “Climate chaos” presentation in Sudbury, Canada shot by Pauline Schneider

10 April 2014 “How do we respond to climate chaos” presentation in Sudbury, Canada (following my presentation a night earlier) shot by Pauline Schneider

10 April 2014 Earth already doomed, prof tells Sudbury audience, Solana Cain for the Sudbury Star

10 April 2014 Evidence of Acceleration on All Fronts of Anthropogenic Climate Disruption, for Truth-Out

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  • Rarest primate on verge of extinction
    By IANS | 12 Apr, 2014, 11.22AM IST

    LONDON: Do you know the name of world’s rarest primate? It’s Hainan gibbon — a species found only in a tiny corner of an island in the South China Sea.

    However, its long-term survival is in jeopardy, with only 23 to 25 of the animals believed to be inhabiting just 20 sq km of forest in China’s Hainan Island.

    To chalk out a plan to save it, international primate researchers convened an emergency summit in Hainan last month, according to a report in

    “With the right conservation management, it is still possible to conserve and recover the Hainan gibbon population,” meeting co-chair Samuel Turvey of the Zoological Society of London (ZSL) was quoted as saying.

    “Given the current highly perilous state of the species, we cannot afford to wait any longer before initiating a more pro-active and coordinated recovery programme,” he added.

    The species, whose scientific name is Nomascus hainanus, numbered more than 2,000 in the late 1950s.

    But it has been devastated through the destruction of its habitat by deforestation and also by poaching.

    Its restricted habitat means that a single catastrophic event, such as a typhoon or a disease outbreak, could wipe out the minuscule population.

    If the species becomes extinct, it would be the first apes to be wiped out because of human actions, the reports added.


    As species, and systems, blink out… we’re finally convening emergency summits. Better too late than never? Primates vanishing… How much longer will social ritual soothe? Some soothsayers moan and ponder out loud, emitting perfectly clear speech garbled by corrupted reception. A soothsayer sparks flint in a cave that’s never been lit and with impeccable willpower and timing all present blink together in unison. Ritualistically. Counterculturally, the soothsayers hear the sooth – if only in gasping whispers to themselves.

    May the last breath be the sweetest.

  • Why NTE

    Global warming alone has the clout;
    Add in stuff we keep learning about,
    And you’ve got NTE
    (Though I’ve been known to be
    Often wrong, but never in doubt).

  • The non-verbal, non-rational reptilian brain deals with emotions and values short- & long – term feelings) but has such control over the monkey brain that even seemingly intelligent well-informed and educated folk will engage those intellects to rationalise the irrational. The intellect may well be in the driver’s seat but it is only the emissary of the monkey brain master. And the master, being non-verbal, remains unseen.

    With the progress of exponential climate disruption, there is an unbelievable increase in clutching at straws, spitting against the wind, etc. This is currently manifest in the comments section responding to a post about climate change at Gail the Actuary’s (Gail Tverberg’s) blog Our Finite World.

  • The non-verbal, non-rational reptilian brain deals with emotions and values short- & long – term feelings) but has such control over the monkey brain that even seemingly intelligent well-informed and educated folk will engage those intellects to rationalise the irrational. The intellect may well be in the driver’s seat but it is only the emissary of the monkey brain master. And the master, being non-verbal, remains unseen.

    With the progress of exponential climate disruption, there is an unbelievable increase in clutching at straws, spitting against the wind, etc. This is currently manifest in the comments section responding to a post about climate change at Gail the Actuary’s (Gail Tverberg’s) blog Our Finite World.

  • Robin, I thought it was pretty much on the side of NBL – there were a posts off but the vast majority were talking about how bad it was? You’re talking about the most recent post right?

  • If we do nothing else than offer those who do survive some sort of unimaginable apocalypse what turns out to be a viable path to the future, a sustainable way to fare forward by doing things differently from the way we are doing them now, that would be a good thing. But we cannot achieve such a goal unless we can agree to rely on the best available science, not preternatural pseudoscience such as we see displayed ubiquitously in our time by economists and demographers. Science needs to be distinguished from what is not science. The fact that massive confusion is allowed to exist with regard to what is science and what is not science cannot be correct or allowed to stand unchallenged. Scientists could choose to stop colluding in silence and instead speak out loudly, clearly and often about distinctions between science and preternatural pseudoscience. The human community is presented with the global predicament that looms before us at least in part because scientists have remained silent.

  • another gem from Ben to start off my day (thank you!)

    Great talk, Guy – especially the interview afterward. The message is finally getting out into the mainstream (a bare trickle compared to the molasses-slow drip of people “getting it” before say 2008, when the economy began collapsing with the banking shenanigans and people started questioning the status quo). It’s going to end badly for everyone, yet no one wants to face that fact and instead live in the daily fantasy-land we were born into and take part in. When we discover it’s killing the planet, what we do as humans and maybe as animals, is double down on industrial civilization (due to the argument pointed out by Jensen and others) – we’re just doing what we were programmed to do, because this is what allows us to survive and we don’t know of any other way. This is also why politically (and culturally) there’s no answer. So it’s going to be a constant wrangling for the last remaining resources on a global, national, state, county, and neighborhood basis before it’s all over. Only a few communities of cooperation are likely to even begin, but I don’t see any but a few of them overcoming the chaos of mass starvation in a nation awash in guns. This is the “last person standing” scenario, which will only be a brief subset of the environmental ruination occurring globally.

  • Florida Makes Off-Grid Living Illegal – Mandates All Homes Must Be Connected To An Electricity Grid


    Fourth Anniversary of Gulf Oil Spill: Wildlife Is Still Suffering from Toxic Cover Up

    BP and the Government Decided to Temporarily Hide the Oil by Sinking It with Toxic Chemicals … The Gulf Ecosystem Is Now Paying the Price

    As we noted at the time, and on the first (and here), second and third anniversaries of BP’s Gulf oil spill, BP and the government made the spill much worse by dumping toxic dispersant in the water in an attempt to to sink – and so temporarily hide – the oil.

    In addition, adding dispersant makes oil 52 times more toxic than it would normally be.

    EPA whistleblowers tried to warn us…

    Gulf toxicologist Susan Shaw told us last year:

    Covering up the [Gulf] oil spill with Corexit was a deadly action … what happened in the Gulf was a political act, an act of cowardice and greed.

    (60 Minutes did a fantastic exposé on the whole shenanigan.)

    And the cover up went beyond adding toxic dispersant. BP and the government went so far as hiding dead animals and keeping scientists and reporters away from the spill so they couldn’t document what was really happening.

    As the National Wildlife Federation (NWF) notes in a new report, the wildlife is still suffering from this toxic cover up.
    [read the rest]

  • Guy
    could not find the Jensen int.
    Climate Change program on showtime tonight – I don’t have showtime – link for 1st episode:

  • Thanks, Tom!

    Tom says: “The message is finally getting out into the mainstream….”

    Doom Going Mainstream

    Once the masses grasp it at last,
    They’ll be all of a sudden aghast;
    And they start saying, “D’oh,”
    Which is how we will know
    That our time left is running out fast.

  • Guy,
    I suspect that Derrick “can’t handle the truth.” While it seems there really is no way to know if you are right in your prognostication, I suspect it takes a near mathematical intuition–or biochemical depressive state–to consider it (near-term human extinction) a real possibility. I would say Derrick is emotionally close to the required depressive state, but not quite there… And I am guessing he doesn’t have a sufficient mathematical immersion to 6th-sense his way to an appreciation of the exponential feedback possibility–not that the data aren’t–or won’t soon be–there to establish it.
    I, on the other hand, unfortunately, find myself doubting my decades-in-the-making, hard-earned mathematical intuition (math and physics degrees) due to what can only be described as a depressive state of mind that renders me inert to my own physiological needs, asking “why bother doing ‘X’?” Chicken or the egg…

  • D,

    The story about mandatory grid connection would be a good one to contest in court.
    Here in Afraidia, it is not that desperate , yet !
    Afraidia, broken up as it is into states(of fear), and councils(of disunity), there is a scary law that prohibits solar panels from being rebated and disconnected from the grid. So if you qualify for a rebate, and/or you want the feed in tariff to get money by selling to the grid, above your own use, you are not permitted to have a switch to just turn on or off to the grid.
    I also know someone on a disability pension and needs an oxygen nebuliser, or they fall asleep forever. In a grid failure, the electricity company can leave her electricity on, while everyone else in the street is off. They send a coded signal to the smart fuse box and bingo.
    Seems like a short leap to selective blackout.


    Also, if anyone is worried about drones, and some sort of overlord, robot enforced tyranny on the non-important ‘gutter people’, please read, or reread the last ‘fictional’ work by Jules Verne.
    I think the man was in line to a wealthy family fortune and dynasty, and he could have been anything their wealth provided for. But he rejected the flagrant industrial captain of industry and wealth he had on hand. I think he suffered for it to-depression, perhaps ostracism- but as is obvious with his other very popular boys own adventure fiction, he also was used to define a generation or two male stereotypes of man and machine conjunction, as a prototype for masculinity in the industrial age.
    “The Master of The World”, written in 1904, has every bit a scary scenario as we might figure now.
    By today’s’ standards the narrative is a little slow and with only one female character,(the narrators elderly housekeeper)it is a bit tiresome as far as pacing is concerned.
    But if you want to know what a man who got everything he proposed pretty well correct in his other novels of the near future, read this:

    The Master Of the World

    Jules Verne

    It seems to me, the man knew much more than he would have been permitted to reveal in anything other than future fiction.
    Could be wrong though.

  • Robin, I thought it was pretty much on the side of NBL – there were a posts off but the vast majority were talking about how bad it was?

    That is a one-trick dog: peak oil & related issues. Events worldwide have now brought climate disruption to the forefront: not just climate change, which implies some degree of continuity, but disruption, that implies a rupture – a break, a discontinuity – from prior conditions. The cacophony will get progressively shriller from those unable to accommodate their thinking to this.

    a viable path to the future, a sustainable way to fare forward

    For the last person(s) standing, of course. Also any use of “sustainable” if not referenced to a specific duration of time (e.g. 27 milliseconds, or 537 million years, etc.) is quite meaningless.

    Florida Makes Off-Grid Living Illegal – Mandates All Homes Must Be Connected To An Electricity Grid

    TPTB have to keep the serfs from wandering off. This is another chain to keep them from the commons of sunshine. However, can one legislate against tripping all the circuit breakers?

    BP and the government went so far as hiding dead animals and keeping scientists and reporters away

    The government did the same for expended cannon fodder shipped back stateside from Iraq: exclude the cargo from the honours due to citizens that make the ultimate sacrifice.

    it takes a near mathematical intuition–or biochemical depressive state–to consider it (near-term human extinction) a real possibility.

    That is true for those who choose to be dragged instead of letting go. Letting go brings freedom from elation and dejection, freedom from the bounds of sense-perceptions and the mental constructs thereof, including the “I” and the “not-I”. All of this is termed “indirect knowledge” (aparokshagnyana) because it is dependent on the senses, memory, intellect, etc. There is also a “direct knowledge” (parokshagnyana) that becomes manifest when these are stilled, as the reflection of the sun becomes manifest when the surface of the water is stilled. Until such time it is manifest in the glitter and glistening of the waves.

    “why bother doing ‘X’?”

    As long as one is motivated by expectations, the reward is elation and/or the avoidance of dejection. When one has put aside elation and dejection, there is an entirely different motivation to action. It is still guided by rational anticipation, but the motivation itself is akin to the sun shining, the wind blowing, etc.

  • Makes a change from seeing Occupy getting pepper sprayed, I suppose..

    You know, I live faraway, I don’t understand America, all I can tell is that you’re all mostly weird and crazy, and I have not been following this story, but I’m trying to catch up, it’s something about this land used to belong to the Paiutes, then the Gvt killed them, and gave it to the Palefaces, and now the Gvt wants it back, to give it to the Tortoises, is that right ? Only Alex Jones has sent in the Cowboys to stop the Gvt because he wants… well, I’ve lost the plot.. where does Superman figure in all this ? And the Moleman ? And Putin ? Grant ? RE ? Wtf is going on ?

  • ulvfugl: We’re a bunch of uncooperative, chicken-shit, dumbed-down, ego-centric troglodytes armed to the teeth with hair-trigger judgement and no recall of history (beside that which we make up as we go along) who have an IQ of about 100 (at best) who can’t stand anyone who presents differently from our gluttonous, superficial, immoral and totally clueless lives of depravity, drug abuse and idiotic past-times of wasting any and all energy with which we come in contact (in a nut shell). Thanks for asking.

    Torture Is Mainstream Now

    As Rebecca Gordon notes in her new book, Mainstreaming Torture, polls find greater support in the United States for torture now than when Bush was president. And it’s not hard to see why that would be the case.

    Fifteen years ago, it was possible to pretend the U.S. government opposed torture. Then it became widely known that the government tortured. And it was believed (with whatever accuracy) that officials had tried to keep the torturing secret. Next it became clear that nobody would be punished, that in fact top officials responsible for torture would be permitted to openly defend what they had done as good and noble.

    The idea was spread around that the torture was stopping, but the cynical could imagine it must be continuing in secret, the partisan could suppose the halt was only temporary, the trusting could assume torture would be brought back as needed, and the attentive could be and have been aware that the government has gone right on torturing to this day with no end in sight.

    Anyone who bases their morality on what their government does (or how Hollywood supports it) might be predicted to have moved in the direction of supporting torture.

    Gordon’s book, like most others, speaks of torture as being largely in the past — even while admitting that it isn’t really. “Bush administration-era policies” are acknowledged to be ongoing, and yet somehow they retain the name “Bush administration-era policies,” and discussion of their possible prosecution in a court of law does not consider the control that the current chief perpetrator has over law enforcement and his obvious preference not to see a predecessor prosecuted for something he’s doing.

    President Elect Obama made clear in January 2009 that he would not allow torturers to be prosecuted and would be “looking forward” instead of (what all law enforcement outside of science fiction requires) backward. By February 2009, reports were coming in that torture at Guantanamo was worsening rather than ceasing, and included: “beatings, the dislocation of limbs, spraying of pepper spray into closed cells, applying pepper spray to toilet paper and over-forcefeeding detainees who are on hunger strike.” In April 2009 a Guantanamo prisoner phoneda media outlet to report being tortured. As time went by the reports kept coming, as the military’s written policywould lead one to expect.

    In May 2009, former vice president Dick Cheney forced into the news the fact that, even though Obama had “banned torture” by executive order (torture being a felony and a treaty violation before and after the “banning”) Obama maintained the power to use torture as needed. Cheney saidthat Obama’s continued claim of the power to torture vindicated his own (Cheney’s) authorization of torture. David Axelrod, White House Senior Advisor, refused repeatedly, to dispute Cheney’s assertion — also supported by Leon Panetta’s confirmation hearing for CIA director, at which he said the president had the power to torture and noted that rendition would continue. In fact, it did. The New York Times quickly reportedthat the U.S. was now outsourcing more torture to other countries. The Obama administration announced a new policy on renditions that kept them in place, and a new policy on lawless permanent imprisonment that kept it in place but formalized it, mainstreamed it. Before long Obama-era rendition victims were alleging torture.

    As the Obama White House continued and sought to extend the occupation of Iraq, torture continued to be an Iraqi policy, as it has post-occupation. It has also remained a U.S. and Afghan policy in Afghanistan, with no end in sight. The U.S. military has continued to use the same personnel as part of its torture infrastructure. And secret CIA torture prisons have continued to pop into the news even though the CIA was falsely said to have abandoned that practice. While the Obama administration has claimed unprecedented powers to block civil suits against torturers, it has also used, in court, testimony produced by torture, something that used to be illegal (and still is if you go by written laws).

    “Look at the current situation,” Obama said in 2013, “where we are force-feeding detainees who are being held on a hunger strike . . . Is this who we are?” Well, it is certainly who some of us have become, including Obama, the senior authority in charge of the soldiers doing the force-feeding, and a human chameleon able to express outrage at his own policies, a trick that is perhaps more central to the mainstreaming of vicious and sadistic practices than we always care to acknowledge.

    The mainstreaming of torture in U.S. policy and entertainment has stimulated a burst of torture use around the globe, even as the U.S. State Department has never stopped claiming to oppose torture when it’s engaged in by anyone other than the U.S. government. If “Bush-era policies” is taken to refer to public relations policies, then there really is something to discuss. The U.S. government tortured before, during, and after Bush and Cheney ran the show. But it was during those years that people talked about it, and it is with regard to those years that people still talk about it.

    As Rebecca Gordon’s book, Mainstreaming Torture: Ethical Approaches in the Post-9/11 United States, recounts well, torture has been around. Native Americans and enslaved African Americans were tortured. The CIA has always tortured. The School of the Americas has long trained torturers. The war on Vietnam was a war of mass-murder and mass-torture. Torture is standard practice in U.S. prisons, where the torture of Muslims began post-9-11, where some techniques originated and some prison guards came from via the National Guard who brought their torturing to an international set of victims for the Bush-Obama era.

    One of Gordon’s central points, and an important one, is that torture is not an isolated incident. Rather it is an institution, a practice, a collective endeavor that requires planning and organization. Defenders of torture often defend a widespread practice of purely vicious evil by reference to a single imaginary incident in which it would make sense to torture someone. Imagine, they say, that you knew for certain (as of course you would not) that many people were about to be killed unless a particular person revealed something. Imagine you were certain (as of course you would not be) that you had found that person. Imagine that contrary to accumulated wisdom you believed the best way to elicit the information was through torture, and that you were sure (as of course you would not be) that the information would be revealed, that it would be accurate (nobody EVER lies under torture), and that it would prevent the greater tragedy (and not just delay it or move it), with no horrible side-effects or lasting results. Then, in that impossible scenario, wouldn’t you agree to torture the person?

    [read the rest if you can stand it]

  • Perfect visual analogy to the current appreciation of our climate-change predicament:

    Wyoming officials eye slow-moving landslide, evacuate residents

    The 100-foot-deep landslide is moving so slowly that local officials have been able to see how ground cracks are emerging and growing by inches each day. [see pic]

    (CNN) — A slow-moving landslide the size of two football fields is steadily tearing apart a hilltop house from the inside and has prompted the evacuation of about 50 people and several businesses in the well-known skiing town of Jackson, Wyoming, officials said Saturday.

    The slow movement, however, has only a 5% chance of becoming the sort of violent landslide that killed 36 people last month in rural Washington state, said Roxanne Robinson, Jackson assistant town manager.

    “You know, I think that’s on everybody’s mind, but I think our slide is different because it’s slow moving. Theirs was catastrophic, and ours has been slowly creeping down the hill,” Robinson said Saturday.

    The 100-foot-deep landslide is moving so slowly that local officials have been able to see how ground cracks are emerging and growing by inches each day the past week. Crews use binoculars to keep an eye on the hill while they stand at a fire truck across the road.

    A mandatory evacuation order issued Thursday to 46 residential units in the landslide zone remained in place Saturday.

    Authorities count about 57 residents in the landslide area, but only 48 people have reported to a Red Cross check-in station, Robinson said. The remainder are still residing in their homes or may be away from home, she said.

    “There are people living there who have refused to leave. That’s their choice because we can’t forcibly remove them,” Robinson said. “On one side of the (hillside) road, we did have a sinkhole develop, and it’s not safe to dig it out and put a man in the hole.
    [read the rest]

  • @ Tom

    Re the torture, yeah, but pain is really boring, believe me, I know, it’s pathetic, and it degrades the people who inflict it, shows what mean sordid little buggers they are, and that’s all they’ve got on their side, we’ve got ALL the good stuff on OUR side

  • It’s been a while since i posted here. My juices got flowing after watching those presentations by Guy.

    I tuned in to Resistance Radio last night to hear Guy, only to have Jensen introduce someone else at the start, the feed was coming through like a delay making it frustrating to listen to so I turned it off. I checked the archives this morning only to find that Guy wasn’t on at all. I got the impression from Lee Grove’s comment that he/she heard the interview. How? I see that by the time I finished writing this comment that Guy changed the site and crossed out the interview.

    To be honest I don’t get Jensen. He wants us to bring down IC, yet hasn’t he brains, or the intellect to sit and consider how it plays out if we do. Can’t he clearly see that bringing down IC will lead to the deaths of many, many many people? Is he okay with that? Personally I want it to go and yes I’ve spent countless hours projecting out how this would play out. It certainly isn’t going to lead to a college education for kids.

    In much the same way I notice that on SeeMoreRocks today, Mike Ruppert refers to himself as a leader of this “movement.” Excuse me. What “movement” is he talking about? Sorry, I didn’t vote for him, and I actually put a block on giving him that role if we’re working via consensus.

    I don’t see Guy or anyone else in all of this in a leadership role. It’s too dangerous to elevate anyone to level above us. We’d only be recreating the same situation we claim led us here in the first place. I hold Guy in pretty high esteem because of how he comes across in his interviews and presentations and the pressure he is receiving from so many corners. Through it all I think he’s displayed a magnanimous attitude acknowledging when he’s been wrong, when he’s made mistakes, and when he doesn’t know something.

    If Ruppert had even shown half of this type of behavior over the years I’d hold him in higher regard. Frankly I’m tired of hearing him say he was first when it comes to information. Who cares? Is that how we’re going to go out? Guess so.


    It appears to me from news and events occurring down in your neck of the woods that those countries once considered more “free” and “open” than the USA are rapidly morphing into mutants. It’s amazing how fast this is occurring (only over the last 12 months) and they will probably not only catch up to us, but really look to exceed us in their self destruction.

    Guy’s 2-days in Canada

    Well the recent two day talks Guy gave in Canada were a bellwether for the direction we’re obviously taking. An ill wind still blows, and it’s blowing stronger than ever, only now it’s coming from all directions at once. As always it’s the Q&A that I find most interesting, revealing and dare I say exciting (more like horrifying) or exasperating.

    No longer do I go out and do “educating” along the lines that Guy continues to. Much like Daniel the last forties years, and especially the last decade took a fierce toll on me. Although I occasionally engage with people for the most part they all are living in various forms of denial.

    I now live vicariously through Guy. What is so ironic is how nothing has changed, at least to me. For years I was doing presentations on Peak Oil, Economic Collapse, The Education System (or Uneduation if you prefer), and my favorite topic Population and Consumption. In addition to organizing speaker events, workshops, film screenings, etc. etc. Ten years of my life. In each of the instances the amount of push back I got was always hard, fast and aggressive. Like Daniel, the reality of NTE and Climate Chaos has forced me to accept our fate and for the moment I’d rather sit on the side lines than try to engage with these huge masses of flesh.

    I figured I’ve put in my time on this ride trying to prevent the catastrophe we’re in the midst of. In my personal life I put in my time earlier than many. First, the decade of my twenties were spent being a caretaker for my parents one after the other while they were dealing with being cancer patients (lung and pancreatic). Second, the decade of my thirties was spent confronting (I mean really confronting my own mortality) by not knowing if I been infected with the AIDS virus while watching and coping with the needs of friends and acquaintances around me who were

    I watched helplessly as people I cared about wasted away and atrophied before my eyes while there was nothing I could do. If all you know of AIDS is the Tom Hanks movie Philadelphia that is the Hollywood sanitized version of what, for many, was far away from what you depicted in that movie. Many, many,may people were shunned and rejected by their family and relatives when the told them they were ill. Loss of jobs, eding life on someone’s couch, and when death came denial and theatre at the memorial, if there was even one organized by the family. Whispers, and averted eyes, not rows of people wanting to say goodbye in a hospital room.

    It still puzzles me when so many speak of a 90% reduction in the population of human beings in such an off the cuff manner. They really show they don’t know what such an experience will be like, even our esteemed Mr. Jensen and Ms. Keith. It’s a video game to most of us who are anesthetized to what’s going on around us. Let’s just keep stepping over those bodies inconveniently lying in our way.

    It will be much different when people start to lose their mates, children, friends and family. I doubt most of us will hold on to our sanity and as Daniel as said we’ll wish we had planned for a more peaceful and respectful way of checking out. Unfortunately all we’ll have to choose from will be violent, bloody and painful.

    I give Guy much credit for continuing on his journey. From the reaction he received this last event I wonder if the road trips will continue to be a better experience than being at the mudhut. I believe what occurred at this event is only the tip of the iceberg as things continue to rapidly get worse in the world.

    Despite what’s literally happening right before their eyes and that’s only if you are looking out beyond the range of the blinders most of us have on. Otherwise it’s like being mesmerized by a magician’s slight of hand. You’re distracted and your eyes are distracted so that you can’t see what’s really happening.

    From my seat it’s hard, if not down right impossible to get a read on who comes to these events. If they sit there like bumps on a log and don’t interact during the Q&A on camera that’s the impression I’m left with. I’m not a seer so knowing what each comes in knowing and believing and how they respond to the information being presented makes them blank slates. Although their body language as they leave, especially those that leave early, and their faces as the camera occasionally pans across the room communicates something, it’s not enough information to get what they think. One woman, during the second event, to Guy’s right, in the second row, could be seen nodding her head throughout the talk. I’ll assume she got it and would be really surprised to find out she didn’t.

    It was clear, at least to me, that one woman at the Friday event was very anxiety ridden and frustrated. She asked, in a harsh and stressed tone if the next day’s event was going to be more “doom and gloom” or were we going to focus on actions we can take to fix this situation. It was like watching a person having an intervention. She didn’t’ like the way the evening went and wanted some hope. I’m guessing she didn’t want to feel what was brought up by the presentation and wanted to get to Wonderland as fast as she could. I wonder if she was the woman would would explode the following afternoon.

    Well the fact that there was such violent and aggressive push back the following day didn’t shock or surprise me. I’d been waiting for something like this to occur. People who just can’t take the information being imparted and will react in some harsh ways. Raised voice, indignation, attacking, hostile and then joined by the man, I guess he was seated nearby. I never got a clear view of either of them.

    This woman used every trick in the book to humiliate and display disrespect towards Guy. Pulling the rabbit out of her hat that she checked what Guy was saying with an expert. And isn’t she special, her expert is her father-in-law who was actually on one of the IPCC working groups. Hey, and isn’t she the soul of calm and dignity, well not really screeching like a banshee. Well she has to let the room know they are being bushwacked, conned because Guy is walking away with tons of money and power.

    I have to wonder if this woman’s father-in-law worked for the Federal Reserve would she believe him regarding the economic system. What if Rudolph Hess, of Auschwitz fame was her father-in-law would she have supported him with so much vim and vigor.

    Imagine that she believed her father-in-law. That she had not questions about the IPCC report being too conservative. Imagine that she’s not upset at the heinous acts of her own government closing and destroying all the science libraries and that her country is threatening and muzzling their own scientists. Yeah, imagine that.

    That she, as well as so many others just FAIL, FAIL, and FAIL to absorb the information reported by guy of the revisions of the agencies found in the Large Scale Assessments section of Guy’s report. Hey, let’s all just become a mob of torch carry, knife wielding, ignorant savage hunting the Monster of Frankenstein. Let’s being not focus on these facts and find out why these “well regarded and respected “ agencies keep revising their conclusions in such a short time span.

    Yeah, let’s feel sorry for her and the pain she’s obviously in. Sadly we’re not in a small community. We’re over the tipping point and loud mouths like this one will get all the attention. Will distract those in the room because dam it all to hell she’s done all this work in her local community and it’s going to work because that’s just the way it is.

    Then we have the guy adding his two cents to the chaos. Let’s throw more meat (sorry Log Spirit) into the Lion’s den and watch what happens. Hey, wouldn’t it be really funy if one or the other of the two emotional devastated people was vegan or vegetarian? Wouldn’t it be funnier still if both of them weren’t meat eaters? This guy tried to be an emotional man about it. He wasn’t going down the feelings road, at least not to his knowledge. He was going to take the high road and tell Guy that his message is too doom like. We can’t do this to people.

    Yeah, I get it you two. You self centered, privileged homo sapiens, you wise apes you. YOU DON”T WANT THE TRUTH. YOU WANT TO BE TOLD LIES, LIES, LIES. It’s all so clear to me know. Tell us what we want to hear so we don’t have to change.
    Even through the internet I could viscerally feel the emotion emanating out of these people. They were bordering on hysteria. I understand I really do, why they would feel this way, it’s hard stuff to face, only all the screaming in the world, all the pain they are feeling and unable to express will do nothing to change the situation.

    They threw invectives at Guy. Pretty much calling out all the amo they could. Throwing words, and being irrational. No conversation was possible. No communication. They were angry at what Guy was doing. Like children unable to accept a “no.” Calling him a lier, questioning his motivations, it was like witchhunt. Guy’s words were making their efforts worthless, their dreams of a future shattered.

    Thank the lord for the young woman hosting the event. I know what it took for her to get up (all on her own as it didn’t look like there was much support there) and restore sanity to the room. What did happen to those two.

    These people are the dangerous ones for what they were really screaming is “WE DON”T WANT TO HEAR THE TRUTH. WE DON”T WANT TO FACE REALITY. WE DON’T WANT TO GROW UP. WE WANT OUR TOYS.” And we’ll kill you, destroy you if you dare to so much as take away our hope. These are the people who are going to hang us, like in the Ox-Box Incident. It doesn’t matter what the truth is and they will take us down with them.

    By the way not all or most sociopaths become CEOs. Most CEOs are most likely sociopaths, but many, many, many of them don’t have the desire or personality for that, they just cause havoc and chaos in the everyday lives of people. This happens because we can’t believe that people are behaving in such destructive ways towards others. We keep believing most are like us and they count on that.

    What does one say to the other woman I the room? She was terrified and she has reason to be. She has a child. All her dreams and aspirations for them having PhDs. just went out the window with the Dodo. What was she to do? Hey PhDs. Ma’am, you sure aim high. Don’t you think you should have investigated what was going on in the world before you had the baby? Yeah, critical thinking that’s at least more than 99% of the offspring in the world gets from going to school. Then again NTE or not NTE that child isn’t going to college in a resource poor world (hey we need 3 more planets soon (yeah the guy who reported this wouldn’t give a number (smart or cowardly, you decide).

    Just read what parents had to do in North Korea to feed their kids. Well parents if you really, really, really love your kids and other species, and the planet then you’ll have to do without to feed them. Yeah, it’s really hard to wrap your mind around that. Only go over to COIC and read the current blog post by Alice where she reviews a book about Korea. Can’t happen here? Hey, you heard about Texas, California, New Mexico, Nevada, or Arizona. Okay. You’re right. I’m wrong. Have a nice day. Move along nothing to see here.

    Guy’s recently been talking about guilt in his presentation. That we don’t have to feel guilty because we didn’t know back in the 70’s what was coming due to the time lag. Well if we’re talking about NTE here I agree, that wasn’t even a glimmer in our eyes; however we had enough warnings and information back then to let us know that continuing on the path we were was going to lead to some type of catastrophe.

    Even comic books (Marvel and DC) matured for a few years there (68-72) and we had Spider-Man dealing with a drug addicted roommate, Green Lantern facing the population explosion, The Justice League dealing with pollution. Issues like racism, woman’s lib, etc., etc. were being written into stories by the new infusion of young writers coming into the field. Unfortunately, this age of what was called “Relevance” wasn’t to the average white boy’s liking, and the desperate comic publishers reverted to the usual pumped up testosterone stories for the most part for the rest of the seventies.

    So, if it reached the comic industry, then why didn’t these warnings impact the rest of the culture? So, yes people shouldn’t feel guilty, but they should owe up to being responsible for what unfolded. This is a whole other ball of wax.

    Where have all these people been since the Limits to Growth came out in 1972. Haven’t they read Rachel Carson. Where have they been while the plankton died, while the fishes were eaten, while the soil ran off, while the chickens had to live in Concentration Camp Tyson. Obviously there were few people in that room who had been educating themselves outside the jail cells of university or college.

    And think about all of us perusing NBL or COIC. I’ll take a huge leap here and state that I don’t think many of those in the audience are aware of the events/news/disasters occurring in only the last 12 months. So they probably only have about 50 pieces of a 1000 piece puzzle put together in their heads. Look at all the dots they are missing: food, energy, economics, politics, environment, etc etc, etc. How many in that room are waiting for the new App to be released that will solve all these issues? How many think solar is the answer? How many want IC to continue, just to become sustainable.

    I have also begun to wonder if the entire presentation is comparative to a PhD program while the audience barely got out of high school. I’m not supporting our schooling system here, but how many in the audience really have enough foundation to even understand the basics of what Guy is talking about.

    By the way and no I don’t feel the need or desire to see the end of this particular movie. There are only about 10 plots in the world that all stories derive from. Having seen a similar movie I don’t see the pleasure or gain from watching this.

    What will people do once they start seeing their own child, friends, family and acquaintances start dying around them from the heights of Mount Olympus? I believe many of them will not be able to continue on their journey of life. They will choose violent methods to end it all. Hey, sounds like Daniel was ahead of the curve in understanding humans. Instead of going out with dignity we’re going to go out covered in excrement. Instead of having prepared for a quiet, respectful way to leave this mortal coil they’ll be reduced to a shell of what they once were.

    Hey isn’t there a saying that those who were the first to die in Auschwitz were the nicer people. I read recently that those who survived avoided each other after being freed because they couldn’t look into each other faces knowing what they had to do to survive.

    I’m off to the Explorer’s Club tonight to cause some havoc of my own. You see the closing sentence of the description says that there is some recovery of the coral reefs in the world. Hey that’s like saying hasn’t the warming stopped. Didn’t this winter prove that Global Warming is a myth? How many of those attending tonight want to preserve the coral enough to stop flying around the world going to all these exotic places to see all the beauty and wonder of these other species? My guess, probably one, maybe two at most.

  • @ Robin Datta

    Note re your very frequent references to ‘soul’, etc. As I have pointed out to you, the word comes from a completely different cultural tradition with completely different beliefs, and has no connection with or correspondence to, the Indian, Hindu, Sanscrit word and concept Atman and it’s relationship with Brahman.

    When you translate ‘Atman’ from one language by the word ‘soul’ in another, it’s like translating ‘ship’ and substituting ‘house’. It is absurd. I know it is often done, because there is no English or European word or concept equivalent to Atman. But then the only honest thing to do is to use the word Atman, and for people to learn what that word means.

    Old English sawol “spiritual and emotional part of a person, animate existence; life, living being,” from Proto-Germanic *saiwalo (cognates: Old Saxon seola, Old Norse sala, Old Frisian sele, Middle Dutch siele, Dutch ziel, Old High German seula, German Seele, Gothic saiwala), of uncertain origin. Sometimes said to mean originally “coming from or belonging to the sea,” because that was supposed to be the stopping place of the soul before birth or after death; if so, it would be from Proto-Germanic *saiwaz (see sea). Klein explains this as “from the lake,” as a dwelling-place of souls in ancient northern Europe. Etymological Dictionary.

    This last meaning would explain why there are so many folk songs and legends about lake ladies and seals and selkies who marry humans and then return to the sea, etc. This is all about the ancient pre-historic pre-Christian shamanic beliefs of the European peoples, and has nothing at all to do with Hinduism. Afaik, Atman does not live in a lake or the sea.

    @ Tom

    Thanks for requesting I be reinstated at CoIC, it was a noble gesture.

  • Paul Beckwith expressed the need for scientists across the spectrum to communicate, to know what’s happening beyond their own squares on the chessboard. That seems wise. So what about scientists not only communicating mutually, but also communicating with the spectrum of other disciplines?

    Guy makes the welcome point on how he talks so that ordinary people can understand him. But formal communication among a broad array of disciplines seems far beyond the range of one individual. Somehow, multidisciplinary communication within and beyond science looks as daunting a challenge as anything I can imagine.

    In trying to simplify the issue in my mind, I interpose the unit of land, and how one unit “communicates” with the next. The land becomes the nexus for conversation among disciplines. Everybody that has something to say about units of land–geopolitical, bioregional, etc.–will come together. That seems totally unwieldy also. But if interdisciplinarity is good, and if land use determines the state of the environment, shouldn’t there be an attempt to bring the two together?

  • If this isn’t up there with the most God awful depressing thing I have heard in awhile, it has to be close. Yeah, the human chapter needs to close quickly.

    “Australian companies are pushing ahead with plans to construct open-cut coalmines in a conservation area of Borneo described by the World Wildlife Fund as “one of the planet’s richest treasure troves”

    The zone, roughly the central third of the island of Borneo, includes a mosaic of different forest types, where WWF says three new species on average have been discovered every month since 2005. It is home to vulnerable and endangered species such as pygmy elephants, Sumatran rhinoceros, proboscis monkeys, clouded leopards, sun bears and orangutans.

    British naturalist David Attenborough has written of the Heart of Borneo: “All of us who value life on this planet should support the efforts to conserve it. It is truly a world heritage and the world should respond to its needs.”

    Aussies to dig at the heart of Borneo as coal projects threaten nature

  • Logspirit:

    Thank you for bringing attention to the plight of the Hainan gibbon, whose habitat has been reduced by 40% just over the past 10 years. Couple this with poaching and the future looks uncertain. As one poacher testified, the rarer the species the more money we are paid by wealthy Chinese businessmen who find it a status symbol to barbecue the rarest of species. The scum went on to say, “Just imagine how much money the person who gets the last gibbon will make. He will be made for life.”

  • All recall the most ‘costly'(in $ and labour effort) Hailstorm in Afraidian History, (since 1788).

    The Sydney Hailstorm – 14 April 1999

    “An intense, long-lived thunderstorm, moved over Sydney’s eastern and city suburbs during the evening hours producing a large swathe of enormous hailstones. The largest measured hailstone had dimensions of 9x8x8cm, although evidence suggests that larger stones fell in the more severely-damaged areas. This hailstorm was of a magnitude seldom seen in Australia, or the world. It stands as Australia’s most costly natural disaster (in dollar terms) to date, with insurance claims expected to exceed $1.5 billion dollars!”

    These were the largest hailstones seen since violent murderers landed on this continent(1788). I am not attributing a direct link between the large hailstorm and the endless wave of violent murderers that came inon and after 1788, however, I am positing a lot of indirect links. The establishment of Britain as a continuing world power, was contingent on success with expansionist policies, and using distant colonies for development and extraction of ‘riches'(and slave labour).

    “PHOTO: Roebourne Prison inmates – for crimes like ‘absconding’ from ‘blackbirding’ – slavery. Those who resisted strongly were sent to Wadjemup (Rottnest Island) and Fremantle Prison – most never to return. The word they used for policeman was “Marndamarangga” and means “chainhand” and is still used today. (Photo: Battye Library, WA)”

    ‘I’ll Keep it Brief Mia – Australian Blackface’

    The pictures say it all.

    I would add that the two things that made the Indigenous Aboriginals 100% targets for this kind of treatment are:

    1: The Indigenous Aboriginals had no experience of this kind of human depravity and exploitation in their 100s of thousands year old culture…NONE!!

    2: The armaments usually carried were far too inferior to battle the British Marines rifles, even with a geographically superior knowledge of their lands.

    The time may soon be at hand where the same logic is used on anyone who thinks these tactics are way in the past, as slave labour is soon needed to prop up the same murdering culture.

    ‘Government suggests Australians may have to work ’til 70′

    “Treasurer Joe Hockey has hinted the aged pension age may increase to 70 prompting Opposition criticism…”

    ‘Abbott to break ABC ‘no cuts’ promise’

    “Prime Minister Tony Abbott is poised to break a key election promise by cutting funding to the ABC, with the question now being how much money should be cut.

    In a pledge his colleagues are now wishing he never made, Mr Abbott said on the night before the 2013 election: “No cuts to education, no cuts to health, no change to pensions, no change to the GST and no cuts to the ABC or SBS.””

    ‘Ban Cigarette Lighters Made in China’

    “While in this Chinese prison Lings’ job was to make cigarette lighters. The book, “Hearts of Fire” specifically says that those cigarette lighters were to be exported to the West which is the reason I’ve written this article. Ling was imprisoned a second time and her next assignment was making wigs. At the time of the writing of “Hearts of Fire” in 2003 Ling was still on the government watch list after already being imprisoned twice. This is just a brief overview of Ling’s story…..
    Think of who is prospering from the sale of cigarette lighters when you imagine the guards torturing those who do not meet production standards. You can also think of it like this as you put yourself in your current position and mindset here in America. You work day in and day out to make a living for yourself. You want the money but wish you did not have to work so hard or for so many hours. Now think of Ling and Yang who work 15 to 16 hours a day 7 days a week. They have to make production and they do not get paid. They are tortured for not making production and the people who torture them are the ones lining their pockets. ”

    It seems when there is no more ‘growth’ possible in crony Capitalism, (yes even in China), due to Energy decline, (Peak Oil and everything else), and it returns to what it knows best:

    SLAVERY!!….cheap at half the price.


  • @ Frank Kling
    Yes, our cousins, our fellow primates, are the real news anchors – or should be. They’d be much more intelligible than the actors, economists, politicians, and other talking heads presently doing the job.

    Thanks for considering the vegan perspective… I think. Actually not really sure what you were getting at in that paragraph. And I’ll remind you that eating flesh isn’t healthy or a laughing matter. Don’t be duped by, or a dupe for, the flesh vendors.


    It seems we’re playing musical chairs with a diabolical twist of the rules: even the last chair will be removed, no one wins. Some think all our troubles can be explained (or prevented) by the fallout from some preachy game-master-in-charge, luring with fools gold to keep and satisfy the faithful. But it isn’t only the fault of a neatly ordered top down pyramid of power and privilege – an idea which seems to fit so well into the cultured mindset of sycophantism. While some earn more blame than others, it seems trivially evident that it’s the sum total of all human behavior, by the desperate and precarious, the optimists, the well intentioned, the deranged, and the enlightened… everyone in industrial civilization… is ‘doing it’. The sum total. Destroying the Earth. We’re not just pulling those chairs away after every song, we’re shattering them under our clumsy overshot mass. But for those dumb enough to expect every cartoon to end on an up-note… there’s a different game we will ‘win’, unfortunately without a celebration: we’re all going to be the biggest losers.

    Oh well, thanks for coming to the party, and bringing your own chair.

    Every moment vanishes… memories too. And the psychedelic facade melts and fades to black.


    Global rankings study shows America in rapid decline – U.S. #1 in incarcerated citizens per capita, adult onset diabetes, and belief in angels

    [please read and watch the short video]


    World Food Security Slides into Red Zone as FAO Index Jumps to 213, Russian Special Forces Continue to Destabilize Breadbasket Ukraine, and Climate-Change Induced Extreme Weather Ravages Croplands

    Feeling impacts from a broad range of stresses including widespread heat and drought from the US West, to South America, to Australia and Southeast Asia, the ongoing Russian invasion and destabilization of breadbasket Ukraine, and the growing threat of a strong El Nino emerging in the Pacific, world food prices made another significant jump during March of 2014.

    According to the UN Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO), global food index prices surged from a value of 208 in February to 212.8 in March. The 4.8 point increase from February to March followed on the heels of a 5.5 point increase between January and February.

    Values above 210 are considered to result in enough stress to ignite conflict as an increasing number of regions begin to see scarcity from lack of ability to purchase or produce food. For the time being, these prices remain below the 2011 high water mark of 229 which was linked to a broad eruption of conflict and food riots from Libya to Egypt to Syria and throughout a smattering of other impoverished or vulnerable regions in Asia and around the globe.

    But with the world climate situation worsening, with chances for a strong El Nino emerging later this year increasing, and with global conflict over dwindling and endangered stores of food-related wealth and resources intensifying, there remains a substantial risk that global food prices will continue to see strong upward pressure throughout 2014, pushing and maintaining levels high enough to continue to ignite instability, unrest and, in some cases, open warfare. [read the rest]


    Global Problem: Though the above list provides examples of where global food supply is most threatened by extreme weather related to climate change and/or a related set of conflicts over resources, it is important to note that the current food, resource, and climate crisis is now global in nature. Droughts and severe weather have left almost no region untouched and now result in substantial damage to crops at least once a year in even the most tranquil locations. Instances of ongoing and systemic drought are now common throughout various areas not mentioned above including: Australia, China, South America, Central America, The Middle East, Africa, India, and sections of Russia and Europe. So though blows to important “bread baskets” provide the most impact to overall food price and availability, a general state of agricultural disruption due to increasingly extreme climates blanketing the globe result in a far more challenging than usual base-line for food producers and consumers everywhere.


    After completing a show with Carolyn Baker, Michael Ruppert apparently took his own life.

    Tuesday, 15 April 2014

    Mike Ruppert

    Today I received from Carolyn Baker the sad and shocking news that Mike Ruppert, after completing his show on PRN ended his own life.

    I am still processing this, but no doubt will be writing my own appreciation of Mike’s life

    IN MEMORIAM MICHAEL C. RUPPERT, February 3, 1951–April 13, 2014.

    Sunday night following Mike’s Lifeboat Hour radio show, he was found dead of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. This was not a “fake” suicide. It was very well planned by Mike who gave us few clues but elaborate instructions for how to proceed without him. His wishes were to be cremated, and as of this moment, there are no plans for a memorial service. However, I will be taking his show this coming Sunday night, April 20, and the entire show will be an In Memoriam show for Mike with opportunities for listeners to call in.

    [read the article]

  • an idea which seems to fit so well into the cultured mindset of sycophantism

    Sycophantry, please, logspirit. :)

    Though not an “ism,” you are right to suggest sycophancy is encultured, and hence pervasive and unquestioned.

  • Seems to me that the ranchers in Nevada are in the same boat as many people around the world. The effects of climate change, mainly drought, are causing their way of life to crumble. But, I don’t have much sympathy for their cause. They are conservative warmongers who have openly supported American aggression on agriculture based communities around the world causing the disruption of entire societies so the U.S. could easily impose it’s policies of economic aggression and social repression. On the Bundy Ranch blog they note their support for action in Afghanistan.

    They will reap what they sow. Living by the sword brings death to what you care for most.

  • While this doesn’t concern itself with global warming, you can see the uphill battle any societal change faces. Easy to get riled up by the “wrong” message. And with the “right” message…well, take a look.

  • Rest In Peace, Mike Ruppert. You were an inspiration. If only we all cared as much as you.

  • PMB

    You may be right, the movement is gathering apace!


    Not just Aussies… will find that those that are actually doing the digging up, are cheep almost-slave labour, hired on 486 visas, because Afraidian labour is just too expensive now we are in energy decline. Also the management class will probably include some Afraidians- Engineers,Project Managers- but as for the investor class?, the hidden-ass-tissue-hearted-who-too-will-die-one-day, ‘who’ have a mental positioning system that makes them think they CAN ACTUALLY own everything, who knows who or what they are. Probably a few Afraidians in there.
    On David Attenborough….
    Look at this tower of a man, devoted his professional life to wildlife conservation, believed that to bring wild animals into our lounge rooms we would begin to value and care MORE about them. He was absolutely right to assume that was a worthwhile practical strategy, and in some significant ways he succeeded, however, only with those who are/were listening. Tragically, I feel his visual feasts, though awash with great educative and scientific merit, have morphed into wallpaper on the screen, where wildlife porn is produces to just endlessly supply visual feed to the masses. Some people would have been nudged to the cliff and see the deadfall we are in now, but only those who are actually waking up in this particular lifetime.
    I watch the way the corporates are now replacing him with the likes of Dr Brian Cox, the wonder boy of celestial ramance. There are probably 20 x 10 terabyte servers full of yet to be aired programming of his future shows logged in. But notice, we are moving to space and geology now on this wonder-trail-wondering, not LIFE. Stars and Geology will not show the devastating effects of planetfall.

    For that you will have to look out the window.

    On Borneo….
    I haven’t been there, but in my twenties I went to Indonesia, in Northern Sumatra I visited the Orang-utan Rehab Centre. It was amazing to sit in a circle with them and hear them communicate to each other…
    “Hi, my mane is Ogg, I am an addict, I haven’t had a mango, nor a banana for 3 years….. Seriously though, one dropped out of the trees onto me as we walked to their feeding platform. In parts of Java, I saw huge old ones in very small cages….in private residences, (in 1983). I find it hard to believe Indonesians were doing that before colonial Dutch and others came by.

    If one lives in Nature, one respects and is nature. If one lives in defiance of, or separate from Nature, Nature isn’t called from deep within us, and we may not end up feeling truly human, sentient nor truly alive. That being so, in that case, one is likely to accept the destruction of Nature, its radical decline, as not much more significant than an inability to purchase one’s favourite weekly shopping items- an inconvenience, but not a game changer.
    At that point, is one still human, sentient, or really alive?
    What can happen to these people, is they can be shocked by something, something transformative, perhaps something life-threatening, (ego-threatening), and in that moment, their instincts kick ‘back’ in, and life is called from them, and the rush of the meaning of LIFE can arrive, full blown, and waken them to this amazing world.

    Go Guy,go !!! Shock and Awe, that is what it may take.

    ‘The myth of ‘shock and awe’: why the Iraqi invasion was a disaster’

    “The US army’s initial assault on Iraq was meant to be a show of superior intelligence and overwhelming force. But the reality on the ground was very different, writes documentary maker Richard Sanders…..
    Half an hour later the bridge was stormed. At least three photographers crossed with the first wave. They got their iconic images, which were soon flashed around the world. But there was a sense of theatre. “We’re hearing lots of fire,” American photo-journalist Kit Roane told me during a set of interviews I conducted for a film about the Iraq invasion. “But it becomes pretty apparent at that point that it’s not incoming. That no one is shooting at us.” “It really was like photographing a movie set,” said another photographer. “It sounded great, it looked great, there was smoke everywhere, men screaming, men shouting, running across, lots of noise, lots of energy, but it wasn’t a battle.” He and others stood upright to take their photos.”

    Just sayin.

  • Yeah, Mike…RIR….Rest In Rage brother.

  • I read through the comments every day. Whenever I get to a line about what the future holds, I want to vomit.

    There *is* no future.

    That is what Guy is trying to tell everyone.

    PMB, I feel you. My guess is that what is coming is going to be quicker than AIDS, which isn’t necessarily a good thing. At least with a terminal diagnosis, you know, roughly, what the time frame is. Which gives some time for thought.

    Instead, as Tom pointed out earlier, we’ve got 300 million gun-toting stupid on purpose people in this country.

    Went to the grocery store yesterday. Walked out with four small bags and a hell of a lot less money. Prices are going up very quickly now.

  • In our local paper on Sunday, The Daily Local (all quotes are from the article):

    Climate change activist James E. Hansen, (adjunct) professor at Columbia U., spoke at West Chester Univ. (my Alma Mater) on Thursday of last week (I wish I had known) as part of the school’s Research Day.

    some highlights and quotes (i’ll leave you to your own conclusions)

    “Although he may be known as an activist, he said he does not consider himself one. Instead he believes that as a scientist it is important to not only research climate change, but come up with conclusions based on what the facts show.”

    ‘”I think scientists should be allowed to connect the dots,” he said.’

    “During his speech, Hansen spoke to the crowd about the need for young people to push for action against climate change. He said that although the older generations were the ones who caused much of the damage to the climate, it is up to young adults, like the students in the crowd, to inspire change.”

    ‘”The young people are the ones that will need to figure this out,” Hansen said.’

    [It’s very hard to even report this without freaking out about how clueless Hansen seems, but the following should make it vivid.]

    “One of the things Hansen said he is most passionate about is the idea of a carbon fee and dividend legislation, which would impose a fee, based on the amount of carbon in fossil fuel. The fee, which would start out low and gradually increase each year, would then be go back [sic] into the public in the form of dividends that would be returned evenly to American households.” [This scheme “would allow fossil fuels to compete more evenly with sustainable energy options, Hansen said.”]

    ‘”Let the market decide, he said.”‘

    I could go off on a two-page rant here, but i’ll let you decide if he’s being disingenuous or simply has a bias toward keeping industrial civilization going as long as possible – as others, like Paul Beckwith, seem to be influenced by.

  • It turned out that Poor Michael Ruppert just missed this good news Hallelujah !! we are all saved Now ! we can fix everything and most of all for cheap ..Conclusion : Never kill yourself today always wait for the next day .

  • RIP, Michael Ruppert.

  • in other words, Kirk Hamilton, you’re cool with federal overreach and BLM’s dressing up like storm troopers to face protestors, free speech zones designated by roped off areas, stealing cattle….just so long as it’s happening tp conservative warmongers? And then when it happens to some organic farm (as it does) then its an outrage? How ironically poetic that you quote live and die by the sword – your delight in what is happening to the Bundys will surely swim back around to bite the asses of some group you agree with. Speaking of warmongers, Obama does a pretty good imitation of a Neocon, so WTF?

  • Goodbye, Mike. You gave so much; I was always interested to see where you’d go next, and seeing the shamanic direction in recent videos gave me hope that you would shine even more.

    Another way to go:

  • Still pretty new to posting here on NBL, but I guess I’ve been following it for a while now. Time passes quickly.

    I feel I’m kinda, sorta, getting a sense of some of the main themes discussed, but I fully admit I don’t grok the overarching idea yet. Oh, it’s not that I don’t get the entire NTE concept. I grok that pretty well. It’s the general response to it that I’m having a hard time getting my mind around.

    If I’m understanding Guy’s message, we ought to be Going Dark – turning off the lights on Industrial Civilization (IC). So mebbe some of the enlightened here can help me along with this.

    Given the fact it seems to me Guy, and many of the frequent posters here, have a reasonably well developed sense of morality, at least as understood in the current context, I’m still unable to reconcile a moral perspective with Going Dark by choice. There is much discussion of love, and caring, and hospice, but there frequently seems a lack of discussion of how all that might jive with turning off the lights. Having watched my parents wither away, one from cancer, one from heart disease, I find it difficult for moral folk to suggest this is something that would, in any way, be the moral, or right, or justified way to proceed.

    I guess underneath my perspective lies the appreciation for the oft discussed 40 year lag between emission and effect. Well, okay, it’s oft discussed here, and on a few other choice sites, at any rate.

    So I just play out the idea. Turn off the lights, and wait 40 years for the worst of climate chaos to occur. Yes, we will die, in horrific and mind numbing ways altogether incompatible with any sense of morality or justice I can conceive of (outside of a deep appreciate for the morality of Hitler and Stalin), but let’s set that aside for a moment. One can argue homo sapiens won’t much be missed, after all, though I don’t have a tendency to take that position myself.

    But what of the rest of nature? The idea is to take no action, and hope that the damage we have already done will somehow mitigate in time for nature to recover? A rapid rise of perhaps 11 or 12 degrees C in the space of a couple of centuries, and the idea is nature will be able to recover from that? The Permian Extinction event took thousands of years, I believe, by the latest research, and thus was far more gradual than what we are inflicting on the planet.

    So we’re good with precipitating an event beyond anything yet seen in the history of life on Earth? I mean, I can see simply acknowledging such may be inevitable, but to actually advocate for it?

    I’m clearly missing something here. Mebbe one of the luminaries can set me straight? Is it that there is some point of acceptance where one sees clarity in precipitating the catastrophe? Is that what I’m missing?

  • Is death by lead worse than death by climate? No. by Paul Beckwith. cheer up ! Mike got of easy

  • “For decades, many climatologists have been warning that the energy balance of the earth is out of wack. Now, to the tune of the equivalent of 0.6 Watts per square meter over the entire surface of the planet. Isn’t this small, a Christmas tree bulb is a Watt or two? No. James Hansen calculated that this imbalance is equivalent to the energy of 300,000 Hiroshima sized bombs popping off every single second on every day of the year, year in and year out. Half of this energy is warming the atmosphere and half is warming the ocean. It is not small at all. Sounds like insanity to me. But I am biased. I live and breathe climatology and meteorology. Thus I know the dangers that climate change can bring much more deeply than others and I want to bring others up to speed. Quickly.”

    Average people (and I) don’t know what energy balance means. I Googled it and saw any number of things, including contractor ads. Maybe it’s not important to define terms so average people can understand WTF they mean. But then no one should blame them for their ignorance.

  • @Artleads
    I think energy balance is like, “I should only smoke two bowls of meth before lunch, not three.”

  • PMB,

    Your thoughtful comment was sobering. Thank you. And thanks to Lidia or I might have missed it.

  • (And thanks to you, Martin, or I would have missed it too!)

  • I’ve posted anew. Catch it here.

  • Kirk and Red Eft, I left off reading the Daily Kos long ago, but I was directed to this post:

    Have only skimmed the piece, but basically it’s a land grab: public lands into private hands, part of a long-term Koch Bros./ALEC-type strategy.

    The graziers have been subsidized for a good long time, but that gravy train is running out of track. The new conservative bunch wants to pull themselves up by their bootstraps on our dime by tearing up the landscape in different ways. Kinda ironic, but the militia folks don’t get it. Lots of rumors, anyway, that the militias are all infiltrated, so who knows what on that score. I wonder whether these standoffs aren’t orchestrated to some degree, even if only to see who reacts.

  • This is fun, isn’t the internet wonderful..

    People can judge for themselves, read my book and then see if Harry Reid is willing to take a polygraph that he never took money from Joe Conforte. Either Harry Reid is oblivious to fifty years of corruption, or he is part of all of it. Either scenario should give Nevada voters and American’s in general the absolute Halloween willies.

  • logspirit,


  • Thanks for the updates, Linda and Ulvfugl.

    Corruption and stupidity are the order of the day. True believers know that Freedom = Profit, and that’s all freedom will ever be here on Planet Heartless.

  • I’ve read that the cattle are, or have been, preventing attempts at conserving various endangered frogs, birds, habitat, as well as the tortoises. I know nothing about the species of that area, I don’t even recognise the names, so it’s impossible for me to make any educated assessment really. However, if this guy is correct, my position would be on the side of the tortoises… regardless of all the other much more powerful factions that we are hearing from..

  • I like to go over to my teapot “representative” on FB and drop links to things like climate change and wait for their heads to explode. All deniers, all “pro-life”, all christian and they are rooting for Bundy. Sometimes we can tell what the story is by the company that is kept.

    Hey, PMB, I’ve been thinking about something you said up thread about Derrick Jensen being clueless about bringing down IC. Have to ask, have you read Endgame? I don’t think he’s clueless at all. He knows people are going to die when civ collapses. His point is that we can crash it on purpose, try to cushion the blow, etc., or just let TPTB continue to push everything to extinction, which is the current trajectory. If you haven’t read either Endgame or Deep Green Resistance, I recommend them….actually, all of Jensen’s books have something to offer.

  • wildwoman,

    Is there a Readers Digest version of Endgame or Deep Green Resistance you could give for those of us already way underwater with reading to do?

    How does one cushion an IC collapse?

  • TemplarMyst,

    I would turn left at Jensen, and head on straight to Zerzan, if you are short of time.

    Here is a typical passage in Endgame, a two-volume work running to more than 1,400 pages:

    That’s not to say we shouldn’t enact whatever changes we can to make whatever difference we can—remember, we do need it all—and buying organic lettuce is better than buying pesticide lettuce, on any number of levels.

    Zerzan, from Running on Emptiness, a slim volume of 200-odd pages:

    Since civilization subjugated humanity we have had to live with the melancholy idea that our highest aspirations are perhaps impossible in a world of steadily mounting time. The more that pleasure and understanding are deferred, moved out of reach—and this is the essence of civilization—the more palpable is the dimension of time.

    Tellingly, the blurb on the cover of Running on Emptiness, which describes Zerzan as “the most important philosopher of our time,” is written by Jensen.

  • To be clear, but at the risk of sounding like a dick: Endgame is totally a book that has to have been written—just not by Derrick Jensen. And cf. Keith Farnish’s Underminers. Similar in scope to Endgame, and what can be done to end industrial civilization—if it isn’t too late—a message that couldn’t be more urgent. A jeremiad for our time—only, someone else should have written it.

    In both, the writing nuzzles and lurches along like the gait of an arthritic dog with a bad case of the staggers. I reckon Endgame can send me to sleep in, oh, I don’t know, half an hour. YMMV.

  • TemplarMyst: just my 2 cents – go to the climate-change summary and update link at the top of the page on the right, click it and read the essay. All the books and scientific papers are about the facts (and their consequences) written there. As far as i’m concerned, it’s already too late (and has been for a while now).

  • @ Robin Datta

    From the point of view of size in this creation, the orb of Atman, the soul, is smaller than an atom, and from the point of view of subtlety it is similar to Brahman. It is incomparable in its colour and form, and it is thus symbolic of its ownself. Through its association with Chitta, it assumes the same colour and form that Chitta assumes. This Jivatman or individual soul exists in the form of an extremely subtle point or jot.

    Science of Soul
    A practical exposition of ancient method of
    visualisation of Soul (Atma Vijnana)
    Swami Vyas Dev Ji
    Swami Yogeshwarananda Saraswati
    Published by Yoga Niketan Trust, Bharat, India

  • Martin & Tom,

    Thanks for the replies. I guess I misinterpreted the concept of cushion in reference to IC collapse. Apparently it must be a psychological, or perhaps spiritual, cushion, aimed at the individual or mebbe a small group? Not some sort of systemic approach to how one might make the event less pleasant to the vast number of people who would (will) be affected.

    And yeah, I’ve read, and reread, and keep updated on, the Summary and Update. Bleak. Takes in extremis to a whole new level.

    Just because, well, that’s it – just because, I’m bouncing crazy geoengineering ideas off a couple of my more aware, or gradually becoming aware, friends. Not space shields or aerosols are anything like that.

    Just seems to me like what would be necessary would be to put the djinn back in the bottle. Pull the GHGs down and stick em back in the ground.

    Yeah, yeah, I know. Ain’t gonna happen. But hey, if it’s all over and we’re just waiting for the end, no harm in chatting about it, I suppose. Like I said in a previous post – I’m that engineer on the Titanic.

    The equation is actually fairly simple. Ya gotta pump more water out than is getting in.

    The solution, of course, is, er, ah, a bit more complicated than the equation might lead one to believe… ;)

  • We may be quibbling over stylistic differences. I, personally, love the way Jensen writes. And perhaps Endgame hit me harder because of where I was when I read it….timing, as they say, is everything.

    And in the end, it doesn’t matter about any possible way to power down industrial civ in a way that preserves the most of life because we all know that ain’t gonna happen. TPTB are gonna ride the fossil fuel train all the way to the cliff and at full speed.

    I will always owe a debt of gratitude to Mr. Jensen for waking me up and “ruining” my life. He said out loud many of the feelings I’ve had and couldn’t express.

  • TemplarMyst: Guy says, in his latest video (I think in the top-most one at DGR that you can link on in the next thread), that it’s near impossible and far too costly to take out enough CO2 on the global scale (not to mention that we can’t shut off the methane pouring out now either). Good luck with your endeavor though.

  • Now I see what folks say about the posting sequence. But no biggie in the grand scheme of things.

    Looks like there may be a new post on Doing Something. Just saw it, but didn’t get a chance to read it or try to grok it, and won’t until later tonight. I might bounce some of my harebrained schemes off folks just because it helps me in some small way.

    Grateful for you other souls out there.

  • Wildwoman, I like what you said about Jensen “ruining” your life.

    We say over and over, as you just did, that it doesn’t matter because IC > cliff. Well, IC is an engine of death that we built but I see it as indistinguishable from mortality. Death is with us always. And, I know you know this, once you see your mortality, paradoxically it is possible to be happier. And we here, each of us, has said in one way or another that grasping the horror of IC and the abyss to which it is taking us is like that door leading to the hidden garden, to the life we live now, one of contemplation and acceptance, in my case, or something recognisably similar.

    I accept my comments on Jensen are not constructive. Especially considering, say, what happened when I found a used copy of A Language Older Than Words at my local market. I didn’t buy it but realised my mistake and went back the following week and asked the man if he still had it. He said he would look for it. He found it and he must have read some of it. He looked dazed when he reluctantly handed it to me. He said, “That book is truly something.”

    A university can provide you with a library, but what makes the book you are not looking for fall off the shelf into your hands to give you the material you need is not understood by any university.

    —William Irwin Thompson, Darkness and Scattered Light

  • Looks like someone found some interesting details re the BLM and Bundy land

  • @ ulvugl. I liked what you said about the importance of tortoises. I would much rather sit quietly with any old tortoise than endure the company of almost any human.

    I was daydreaming yesterday about the importance of tortoises and it came to me that there are most likely many more humans in existence than there are reptiles. Way, way more humans than all the snakes, lizards, sea turtles, all the reptiles! It was shocking to realize. Then I wondered, do humans outnumber all the other mammals? Birds?

  • ulvfugl,

    Bundy: got as far as the five-minute mark before I gave up. Listen carefully to this guy. Notice how he inhales. He inserts his tongue in his mouth at the point of drawing breath, so that the inhalation sound is accompanied by a sound proceeding from his lips. I have thought more than once that there is something off about people who have acquired this habit. Bullshit artists?

    I have also noticed that a lot of the people interviewed by KMO on the C-Realm Podcast have the habit of pressing their tongues against their hard palate to produce a click, which they do particularly when they begin their answer to a question. Does this mean anything?

    Take a look at many news anchors and newsreaders including here in the UK. Notice how many of them have acquired the habit of inhaling sharply by momentarily closing their mouths and tossing their head back. WTF?

    Cordially yours,

  • @ Martin

    Eh ? I have no idea what you’re talking about. I think he’s just some ordinary guy showing somebody something on a computer, with a tv camera behind him, he’s not very slick or professional, who cares, what’s interesting is the info, somebody has been doing all these land deals which are really odd with the areas changing size, and the land being sold for free and whatnot, so there’s some scandal there that he’s found.

    Cordially whatever :-)

  • Fair enough. I should give the video a go.

    Sarcasm on/

    Because dolomite is incredibly rare.

    Sarcasm off/


  • @ Martin

    Fair Enough ? Don’t trifle with me, Sir. When was I ever satisfied with fair enough ?

    I’ll have you know I am reading Arthur Machen. His real name was, of course, Jones. Like many Welsh men, he was somewhat slippery. He liked to play with words, as if they were fishes on the end of a line…

    I confess all this seems A B C to me, though I see you are still inclined to think me a little paradoxical—not to say sophistical—but it grows more difficult when one gets to the question of the “interesting” or “absorbing” book. As I said “interesting” seems such an ambiguous word. It may stand for that æsthetic emotion produced, say, by the Œdipus; it may denote the wide-eyed attention of the butcher’s wife listening to the story of my landlady as to the love-affairs of the grocer’s daughter—and there are many books which are, virtually, “Tales of My Landlady” printed and bound. We must really then omit “interesting” in our account of the possible criteria…

    See ? He gets all that out of ‘interesting’ before he lands it and puts it in his net.

    Sophistical ? Is that a word, Martin ? Perhaps he just made it up. He was obviously a total rascal.

    What’s really weird, on his wiki page, he’s admired by both Crowley and the Archbishop Rowan…

  • Sophistical deserves to be a word. See what you can do. I feel the same about satanistic, which I made up independently, I feel sure, and feel it deserves a place — but is not accepted (Oxford, Collins). I had a back-and-forth about this with a bright young thing in a newsroom, where I was revise (final copy check). She protested. I should have stuck it in its slot, let it go to publication, and devil take the hindmost.

    The accepted adjective is “satanic.” This won’t do. People at Spiral Architect concerts doing the horn sign (this variant being sadly neglected) are being satanistic: it’s after the fashion of a satanist; it’s at least once removed from a hieratic gesture performed soberly; and it is certainly not an emanation of the Prince of Darkness himself. Is it?

    I know I’ve moaned in the past about catachresis (gradual acceptance of an error), especially when an established word is misused (i.e., “hopefully”). That’s because I’m a pedant. I shouldn’t say it out loud, else I get done for kiddie fiddling.

    But I’ve changed.

    “Interesting,” though, has had it. The word is now the first gambit in social rejection. “That’s interesting.” Translation: fuck you, your idea, and your world.

    And thank you, ulvfugl, for restraining yourself and saying instead, “I have no idea what you’re talking about.”

  • @ Martin

    Forgive me if I don’t take advantage of the many opportunities you offer for fruitful diversions, in that comment, Martin, but I am deeply absorbed elsewhere…

    But I’ve changed.

    Alas, it happens. One of those wretched Greek philosophers who have caused us all so much anguish said you cannot step in the same river twice. Like the Buddha, he thought everything is always changing. But I’m taking a more radical position and saying you can’t step in the same river once, because as soon as you put your foot in it, you’ve changed it.

    I wonder if I can beg your advice as you appear knowing ? I am investigating the ‘narrative mode’, the ‘talk’ part of the wiki page says that it’s rather poor, and I don’t find what I want. Do you happen to have an opinion on who is the authority on the matter or who has interesting things to say or where one turns to find advanced expertise ?

  • I have no opinion on narrative mode. You have me. Now gut me.

    Heraclitus has had little influence and, anyway, the bit about stepping into the same river twice is attributed. It doesn’t appear in the extant fragments of his thought, as filtered through the Hippocratic corpus. But what you said about stepping into the river once makes me say, you know, that’s so obviously right.

    Strange to say, as I walked past a wall behind which is growing blossoms I see each Spring, which smell like frangipani (WTF?), I thought of another Heraclitus aphorism: “All that we see is passing away.”

  • Strange to say, as I walked past a wall YESTERDAY behind which is growing blossoms

  • Are you okay, ulv?

  • @ Martin

    I’m fine, Martin. Thank you for asking such an interesting question ;-)

    It struck me that, seeing as identity is a linguistic construct, it might be an interesting challenge to see what happens when one deconstructs it.

    Obviously, this way lies insanity, everyone would shriek. But I’ve never taken any notice of what everyone shrieks.

    This is why I’m curious about the narrative mode business. You know, the voices in the head of the creative writer.

    There’s that description of Dickens in front of the mirror making strange faces, very much conjuring up, invoking, the spirits of characters for his stories.

    Imagine what it was like to be inside Shakespeare’s head, or Dostoevsky’s or any of the really rabid frantic playwrights whose stuff just pours out of them, where is it all coming from ?

    I am very strong. I can have a serene still silent mind, at will. Just for fun, for the hell of it, I’m opening the valve to see what happens, inviting anything and everything, it’s like a fucking Punch and Judy show, by an order of magnitude, a carnival… who are they all ? I have no idea…

    I want to write something about this. I am trying to write something about this for the last few days. I find it fascinating. :-)

  • Ulv, My wounded friend, I like you always.