The Emperor is Naked

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Published on the Doomstead Diner on June 22, 2014

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What passes for Geopolitical Policy in the FSoA has been pretty much the same ever since the Nixon Era, when folks like Henry Kissinger and Zbignew Bryzinsky first burst on the scene as the main mouthpieces of the Tri-Lateral commission charting out the future course of Empire for NATO in the post WWII period. Basically everyone has always known this is a war for power and hegemony over Global Resources, primarily Oil, and the idea was to constrict the two other major powers Russia and China while monopolizing the resource base in the main area with the most Oil, the Middle East.

For a good long time since the 50s this WORKED too, puppet Goobermints were installed in places like Iraq and Iran, Syria and Egypt, and for so long as the energy came a bubblin’ up out of the ground as cheap and EZ as it did off Jed Clampett’s farm in Oklahoma over there in MENA. Populations were mostly kept under control by the various Dictators and Strongmen propped up into power by NATO.

Things began going South with this plan with the overthrow of the Shah in the Islamic Revolution in 1979, but really picked up steam after Saddam Hussein got sent running when NATO dropped the Death From Above down on Iraq in Desert Storm. Not coincidentally, Saddam took power in exactly the same year the Islamic Revolution took place in Iran, 1979. At that time, Saddam was playing ball with NATO, and he served as a defense against Iraq walking down exactly the same Islamic path the Iranians took.

Things really began spinning out of control far as NATO was concerned when the Hoser Mubarak was overthrown as Dictator for Life in Egypt as a result of the Arab Spring protests and demonstrations that began in 2010. He wasn’t the only one of course, the Wave of revolt spread all across MENA over the next few years.

By December 2013, rulers had been forced from power in Tunisia,[3] Egypt (twice),[4] Libya,[5] and Yemen;[6] civil uprisings had erupted in Bahrain[7] and Syria;[8] major protests had broken out in Algeria,[9] Iraq,[10] Jordan,[11] Kuwait,[12] Morocco,[13] and Sudan;[14] and minor protests had occurred in Mauritania,[15] Oman,[16] Saudi Arabia,[17] Djibouti,[18] Western Sahara,[19] and the Palestinian territories.

Why did all these places explode in violent revolution all around the same time? The fuse was lit in Tunisia in 2010, by the self-immolation of a Tunisian Fruit Vendor.

The catalyst for the current escalation of protests was the self-immolation of Tunisian Mohamed Bouazizi. Unable to find work and selling fruit at a roadside stand, on 17 December 2010, a municipal inspector confiscated his wares. An hour later he doused himself with gasoline and set himself afire. His death on 4 January 2011[61] brought together various groups dissatisfied with the existing system, including many unemployed, political and human rights activists, labor, trade unionists, students, professors, lawyers, and others to begin the Tunisian Revolution.[53]

Did the entire Region explode in Revolution all just because Mohamed Bouazizi torched himself? Of course not, this just got the ball rolling, the problems in all these nations were systemic and were brought to the surface with the Financial Crisis of 2008 and subsequent crash in Oil Prices.

http://bizlib247.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/oilprice-datastream.png

All of these countries in one way or the other are dependent on Oil Revenue, and with the cratering in the price of Oil that occurred at the end of 2008, money to run their Goobermints, import food and subsidize food prices, keep the Electricity on etc began to run thin. On top of that, many of these places also were at the stage of becoming net Oil importers rather than Oil Exporters.

http://www.economywatch.com/userfiles/1-syria-oil-production-and-consumption-eia.png

http://crudeoilpeak.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/EIA_Egypt_oil_production_consumption_1980_2009.jpg

So the reason here for all the tumult becomes quite obvious, these Goobermints were simply out of money to keep their populations fed and comfortable, even if desperately poor in general. Unlike here in the FSoA, these places do not have the ability to manufacture Credit in the form of FRNs to keep rolling a while longer; if they can’t earn the FOREX by selling Oil, they go broke. Unless of course IMF Hit Men show up and offer up some loans for them to keep going, but why would they do that if they have no more resource left to exploit?

Which countries did NOT collapse into Failed State anarchy during this period? Countries like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Iran which still DO have Oil left to export.

http://www.finfacts.ie/artman/uploads/1/saudi1.jpg

http://www.eia.gov/countries/analysisbriefs/Kuwait/images/oil_production_consumption.png

http://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/images/2013.04.26/iransupply.png

So what’s the problem here far as Happy Motoring in the FSoA is concerned? Just forget these loser states that are outta gas and keep the Black Gold flowing from the ones left that still have some! As you can see from the Kuwaiti and Iranian charts, there are a couple of problems with this idea.

First, the Desert Storm operation designed to KEEP the Oil flowing out of Kuwait took a HUGE hit during the operation itself, it is tough to keep Oil flowing out of a country that has Death From Above raining down on it every day. This was however only a temporary problem at the time, and once NATO ejected Saddam from Kuwait and got him executed, the Kuwaities got right back to shipping Oil over here to the FSoA in return for Dollars from the perpetual credit laptop of then Fed Chairman Helicopter Ben Bernanke.

Second problem can be seen with the recent Sanctions against Iran, where the Mullahs and Ayatollahs who currently run that country have not been playing NATO ball for quite some time, but still have to an extent been doing BIZNESS with the Western Oil consuming countries selling their Oil to them in return for FRNs. Start dropping economic sanctions on them instead of dropping BOMBS, it has a similar effect which is to reduce the total amount of Oil coming into the pipeline for refinement into Gasoline for more Happy Motoring.

The Myth being promoted by Energy Shills here in the FSoA is that we can achieve Energy Independence by fracking the living shit out of formations like Bakken and Marcellus which have some “tight oil” left in them, along with still more Natural Gas. This is Bullshit of Denali size proportions, if not K2 or Everest. As you can see, the FSoA has a HUGE gap between how much it produces versus how much it consumes, and you’ll never frack up enough Oil to fill that gap.

http://www.energyvanguard.com/Portals/88935/images/peak-oil-us-production-and-consumption.jpg

Nor will you be able to continue to import enough to maintain this level of consumption, not with one after another countries which still produce some oil getting sucked in to the ongoing firestorm in MENA.

For now, Puppet Regimes in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait still ship plenty of Oil over to the FSoA for Happy Motoring, but these countries are all declining in production and more than that are subject to the same forces that are bringing down all their surrounding neighbors not so fortunate as themselves to still have a decent amount of Oil left underground at a cheap price to extract out.

As anarchy and mayhem spread through the neighborhood, it becomes ever more difficult for these countries to maintain control over their populations, and “terrorists” have a tendency to migrate around from one country to the next, with the potential always for blowing pipelines and wells and restricting supply flow through such actions.

So, even though the Illuminati could give a shit about Syrians who have no more Oil left to ship out, if they wanna keep the Oil flowing out of Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, they have to “contain” the problem. How do you contain such a problem?

Traditional answer to this is simply to roll in the Military Machine, drop down Death From Above and once the population has been “cleansed” of “terrorists”, install a Puppet Goobermint to run the country for you. If said country has exportable energy, this can pay for itself, but once said country is OUTTA GAS, it becomes a huge money sink. All the current military operations being run to maintain control over Iraq and Afghanistan are enormous money sinks, and probably overall net EROEI Negative, in that it costs more energy to keep a military machine operational in those places than they can ship out. As of right now, it doesn’t look like NATO has either the resources, will or political clout necessary to run another full scale Desert Storm style operation to try and take control back over places like Syria and Iraq, so inevitably the mayhem currently ongoing in those countries will spread to the still sorta under control places like Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.

If this was the only problem faced here on keeping this Geopolitical farce running, the Emperor would only be about half naked now from the Waist Up, but of course it is not the only problem. A problem as big or bigger is the ongoing conflict between NATO and Russia, centered in Ukraine which represents the main border state between West and East in Europe, and serves as a transit point for Ruskie energy to flow through to European consumers of that energy, who themselves are basically tapped out as far as further credit is concerned, particularly in the southern PIIGS nations.

On the European side, if they can’t keep Ruskie Gas flowing through Ukraine, they’ll be shivering in winter and have a real hard time keeping the Lights On. On the Ruskie side, if they can’t keep Western credit flowing in to Mother Russia for further investment into extracting more energy and building more pipelines, they also will run into problems. Even if you do still have energy in the ground, if you don’t have customers who can afford to pay for it or a way to get it to them, it is pretty worthless stuff.

The problem here which EVERYBODY KNOWS is that the worth of everything here is based on the worth of the Dollar, which essentially is quite worthless at this point, it is just an exponentially increasing mountain of irredeemable debt that will never get paid off; USTs are worthless toilet paper and the Ruskies and Chinese both know this by now. Vlad the Impaler over in Mother Russia is tired of getting pushed around by the folks who control credit creation in Europe and the FSoA, and along with the rest of the BRICS Nations they keep floating the balloon they they will pitch the Dollar and go it alone with their own system of credit. Sergei Glaznyev, one of Putin’s Econ Advisors pitched the idea of a “Anti-Dollar Alliance“:

As summarized by VoR, in his article, published by Argumenty Nedeli, Putin’s economic aide and the mastermind behind the Eurasian Economic Union, argues that Washington is trying to provoke a Russian military intervention in Ukraine, using the junta in Kiev as bait. If fulfilled, the plan will give Washington a number of important benefits. Firstly, it will allow the US to introduce new sanctions against Russia, writing off Moscow’s portfolio of US Treasury bills. More important is that a new wave of sanctions will create a situation in which Russian companies won’t be able to service their debts to European banks.

According to Glazyev, the so-called “third phase” of sanctions against Russia will be a tremendous cost for the European Union. The total estimated losses will be higher than 1 trillion euros. Such losses will severely hurt the European economy, making the US the sole “safe haven” in the world. Harsh sanctions against Russia will also displace Gazprom from the European energy market, leaving it wide open for the much more expensive LNG from the US.

How plausible is it for Russia & China, along with the rest of the lesser BRICS nations to abandon the Dollar and the Western Illuminati Credit system? ALL of their currencies, the Rouble, the Yen, the Real etc all derive their own value by being valued against the Dollar to begin with. They can settle up in their own currencies, but those currencies still only hold value relative to their value to the Dollar, they have no real independent valuation other than that.

Besides that, in both cases these countries hold large quantities of USTs, which currently represent savings accumulated from years of energy sales and in the case of China, years of Slave Labor. Crash the dollar, all those savings become worthless, so what then are the Chinese worth? The Ruskies may still have worth because of some energy still left underground there, the Chinese have ZERO worth because their whole economy is dependent on mercantilism and selling toys to Amerikans for…DOLLARS! The Ruskies can’t pick up the slack here as consumers of Chinese toys, they are basically broke and have a declining population base.

It is not impossible for a independent valuation of the Rouble and Renminby, but it would be quite difficult to achieve here, and most certainly the folks who control the current Credit system centered at the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland will fight this every step of the way. These folks have been building this system of Credit going back at least to the 1500’s in the Medici Era, possibly quite further back than that through the Holy Roman Empire. They won’t simply roll over and die here without a fight.

The Battle Lines are being drawn, but this is a battle no side can win. Just about every scenario you can work through ends with a collapse of the monetary system, without a viable replacement in a world in deficit. Right now, small players from individuals to small nation states are collapsing under the weight of the debt they have accumulated here through the Age of Industrialization. Soon enough, this Bankruptcy will migrate from the periphery to the CORE, the BIS. There is nobody out there big enough and solvent enough to bail out the BIS. When the observation is finally made that these folks are well and truly NAKED, the Debt they hold is all IRREDEEMABLE Debt, the “System of the World” will undergo an irrevocable change. This cannot be stopped, it is inevitable.

How will this finally play out? Nobody knows for sure here. Ugo Bardi from Resource Limits, Gail Tverberg from Our Finite World and me did some speculation on it in the last Collapse Cafe, but really, NOBODY KNOWS how it will all play out in the end.

RE

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Comments 91

  • “As anarchy and mayhem spread”

    The two are antithetical. Anarchy can only exist when people have mutual understanding based in trust through horizontal interactions without the threat of coercive violence. Rules may not be formally acknowledged, but they are nevertheless mutually understood. Anarchy is the absence of rulers. This is only possible when the rules are implicit and understood by all parties.

    Coercive force and violence, no matter on how small a scale, is the purveyance of rulers.

    THE MOST DANGEROUS SUPERSTITION by Larken Rose

    Everyday Anarchy, and Practical Anarchy

  • Thanks, Robin, for the excellent, needed clarification!

  • Depends what definition of anarchy you are using.

    an·ar·chy
    ˈanərkē/

    noun
    noun: anarchy

    a state of disorder due to absence or nonrecognition of authority.
    “he must ensure public order in a country threatened with anarchy”
    synonyms: lawlessness, nihilism, mobocracy, revolution, insurrection, disorder, chaos, mayhem, tumult, turmoil More
    “conditions are dangerously ripe for anarchy”
    antonyms: government, order
    absence of government and absolute freedom of the individual, regarded as a political ideal.

    You are generally describing the second definition, whereas the first definition is what is more commonly understood as anarchy.

    Don’t miss the latest rant now up on the Diner, ALLAH AKBAR!

    http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2014/07/02/allah-akbar/

    RE

  • “Depends what definition of anarchy you are using.”

    Just the expected response.

    The Authoritarians

    It is to be remembered that ranting against the state can be done by statists. That the human livestock ask for a change in management at the ranch does not mean that they are requesting closure of the processing plant also.

    Beware of authoritarians that rant against the authorities. All they may want is a different cut of your meat.

  • Words mean things:
    Anarchy = without rulers

    without rulers there can become chaos
    or
    Anarchy established an agreement

  • I’ve always liked this take:
    (from Wikipedia)

    Immanuel Kant on anarchy[edit]
    The German philosopher Immanuel Kant treated “Anarchy” in his Anthropology from a Pragmatic Point of View as consisting of “Law and Freedom without Force”. Thus, for Kant, anarchy falls short of being a true civil state because the law is only an “empty recommendation” if force is not included to make this law efficacious. For there to be such a state, force must be included while law and freedom are maintained, a state which Kant calls republic.[47][48]
    As summary Kant named four kinds of government:
    A. Law and freedom without force (anarchy).
    B. Law and force without freedom (despotism).
    C. Force without freedom and law (barbarism).
    D. Force with freedom and law (republic).

    I just dare to do W/O force

  • May I interject, by drawing attention to Ernst Jünger’s concept of the anarch, or waldgänger, one who rules themselves.

    He developed this notion having lived through the full range of what soceity can experience, two wars, various attempts at revolutionary politics, fascism, communism, democracy, and so on.

    If you are living in a system, under a regime, where you are absolutely powerless to change anything, where even to express your true opinions is going to bring oppressive results, what do you do ? The idea of the anarch was what he came up with. I wrote about it recently. I don’t think there is any comparable thinking in American or English writing that I have come across, although there may be. It’s something like libertarianism, possibly, but I don’t see much in common.

    http://www.monsangelorum.net/?p=12849

  • In addition to the factors mentioned in the essay, the empire now faces increasing ‘headwinds’ that are a consequence of having disrupted the natural systems that contributed to the stable climate conditions which allowed overshoot to be maintained.

    http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/

    The sure knowledge that burning fossil fuels is in the process of destroying everything that matters will obviously not deter the empire and its acolytes from seeking to extract yet more of the nasty stuff and destroying everything faster.

    I know we should not be pedantic but seeing ‘me’ as the subject of a sentence still grates, as does tautology. Never mind. At least you are making an effort, RE, which is more than we can say for most people.

  • Just the expected response.

    Beware of anarchists who have never lived in an anarchic neighborhood. They may just want a different cut of your meat.

    RE

  • I practice agrarian anarchy. I know what it means. It’s not chaos, as RE incorrectly believes.

  • Remember when you were a kid and you couldn’t wait to become an adult so you could do whatever you wanted to do? Like take out the garbage, and pay the bills and clean the kitchen… all those great things you get to do as an adult.

    It’s the same notion with anarchy. Anarchy is not Do Whatever the Hell You Want, it’s doing what needs to be done without supervision. It’s being an adult. Which is why it can only work in very small groups.

    Anarchy, Communism and Christianity are based upon the notion that people will work together for the common good. They all fail for the same reason: people are jerks.

  • RE:

    You sir are completely wrong about anarchy and apparently have no understanding. Sad that people do not know about the Spanish Anarchists and what they accomplished. Turns out America, The Soviet Union, and The Nazis came together, as all political movements usually do to preserve their power spheres. This is grade school stuff.

    People got along fabulously running things themselves with NO bosses. The reason it worked in Spain is because they taught themselves over a long time (20+ years) and when the time came they took over the joint and made it work.

  • Now I am going to read to you a list of institutions in American society.
    Please tell me how much confidence you have in each one

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/171710/public-faith-congress-falls-again-hits-historic-low.aspx

    @ RE

    You come onto an anarchist blog, full of highly-educated long-time hard-bitten anarchists, and tell us what the word ‘anarchy’ means ?

  • Prior to the invasion of patriarchal europeans most all north american native americans practiced a form of matriarchal self-government that was severely limited in scope and consequently enjoyed tremendous liberties. Geronimo could only persuade members of his fighting group to stay and fight and could never force them to. Wrap your mind around that type of freedom from goobermint oppression.

  • Just Ego?

    Robin Datta has the, surprising to me, practice of taking one (or two) words out of several phrases in a text, to point that is not correct. And writes a post about (the) those words to explain that they are wrong, or wrongly used.
    Instead of posting a comment about the content of the essay or post.
    Always focused only in one or two words, that most, didn´t even noticed.

    I have been surprised by the childish behavior of persons older than me. I always thought that older people were supposed to be wiser. The more I live, the more wrong my perception turns out to be. There are some, but they are the very least.
    This blog is not an exception to that rule.

    I have had several experiences in real life regarding this issue that have really chocked me.
    It has been quite hard for me to deal with them, as they are a reflection of our current society, and that is a sad conclusion.
    Among them, one from a 72 years old friend, and other from a 74 years old colleague. In both cases, was the surprising need to add their “sign” in two innovative concepts of ships I had developed.
    My idea was to implement the two different concepts, one with each one of them. As they had the machinery, people, and money.
    Why for this two old men, it was so important to add something to my solutions? Even after giving the technical explanations of why what they were doing was wrong.
    In one case, the “sign” was to add non useful, and non needed equipment, in such a way that the added stuff made the boat so heavy that failed to achieve what was expected (speed and cargo capacity). Weight is always a relevant issue on ships. By doing that, a good an innovative idea was turned into a total fiasco.
    In the other case, the “sign” was to change the concept of the structure, from my proposal to another more heavier and more expensive, not the one I had defined, just to be able to say that it is “his” boat, and due to his less experience, and the lack of capacity to handle the concept, that change may lead the whole idea into a failure. This old man went further, he said, I do not like the shape of “your” boat, and I want to build something I like, and chooses a less effective shape, that I had discarded for several reasons. But, his proposal was his, even being less efficient.
    More or less the same situation again. Just to put a sign on somebody else´s ideas.
    In both cases it was enough signature to say who built the boats, as that is what they mostly do. No, they had to dig into the idea, to be able to appropriate of part of it somehow.
    Worth noting to say that I have more experience in ship design and construction than both together. But I am 20 years younger, does it make it uncomfortable? Maybe.
    Is the problem that I can design what they can´t? Maybe.
    Maybe it was a way to step on top of somebody that, in this case, is technically superior and more creative than them. Maybe.
    This kind of questions cannot be asked directly, and have a honest and calmed answer.
    In both cases an inexplicable, unjustified and childish attitude. That still I cannot yet fully understand and comprehend.
    It was EXACTLY what happened to Howard Roark in “The fountainhead”. Never thought I would live the same experience.
    Maybe it is just another exhibit of the insanity of IC, and a proof that this way of handling ideas, money and power are present since long time ago.

    I am beginning to have the same perception about Robin Datta, with his “dictionary” type comments. Just to say “something” regardless of its relevance.

    Robin, keep in mind that I am not a native English speaker, and writer, so a may make some mistakes.

    In this case, the way RE uses the words “anarchy and mayhem” are in essence correct, regardless if they are fully technically correct, if that concept does exist in reality.
    I can get the message, that is enough. And probably most do.

    RE
    Nice effort, as you always do.

  • I see that the ‘supreme allied commander of the Western military alliance’ goes by the name Breedlove.

    That takes real world Owellianism to new heights, matching Kubrick’s fictional effort.

    http://robinwestenra.blogspot.co.nz/2014/07/nato-responds-to-russian-aggression.html

  • Guy McPherson Says:

    I practice agrarian anarchy. I know what it means. It’s not chaos, as RE incorrectly believes.

    Shep Says:

    RE:

    You sir are completely wrong about anarchy and apparently have no understanding.

    ulvfugl Says:

    @ RE

    You come onto an anarchist blog, full of highly-educated long-time hard-bitten anarchists, and tell us what the word ‘anarchy’ means ?

    Hey folks, if you have an issue with the definition of “anarchy”, take it up with Miriam Webster.  One more time, from the DICTIONARY

    a state of disorder due to absence or nonrecognition of authority.
    “he must ensure public order in a country threatened with anarchy”
    synonyms: lawlessness, nihilism, mobocracy, revolution, insurrection, disorder, chaos, mayhem, tumult, turmoil More
    “conditions are dangerously ripe for anarchy”
    antonyms: government, order

    Note that “mayhem” is listed as a synonym for anarchy. So is “Chaos”, so Guy clearly has a bone to pick with the folks who edit the dictionary. LOL.

    This is the commonly accepted definition of the word.  You folks work with the second definition.

    absence of government and absolute freedom of the individual, regarded as a political ideal.

    Whether you think you practice anarchic living or not, the fact is if you are living anywhere outside the Kalahari Bush, you live inside a structured system that is miles away from being anarchic under any definition of the word.  Even Somalia isn’t anarchic, its run by various Warlords and Pirates these days.

    Godofredo Aravena Says:

    Just Ego?

    Robin Datta has the, surprising to me, practice of taking one (or two) words out of several phrases in a text, to point that is not correct. And writes a post about (the) those words to explain that they are wrong, or wrongly used.
    Instead of posting a comment about the content of the essay or post.
    Always focused only in one or two words, that most, didn´t even noticed.

    Basically RD just wants to make a political statement about Statism, she is on her own agenda.  she’s not real concerned with the content of my article.  Part of the agenda is to peg me as a “Statist”, which of course everybody on NBL hates, and in fact everybody on the Diner hates too!  LOL.

    This is similar to Guy trying to peg me as “Patriarchal” because I think it’s a good idea to build Grow Domes, which we went over in the recent Thrilla in Doomervilla Podcast.  This is nonsense.  I don’t advocate this as a top down solution by goobermint, it’s something individual communities of people will need to do for themselves.  At least if they wanna have a chance make it through Mid-Century they’ll need to do something like this.

    As I also mentioned in that podcast, I think the folks with the best shot at making it through the Zero Point are in fact not White Males who build Grow Domes, but Inuit still living in Nunavut at least partially by the Old Ways.  Better than both though individually is a synergy of both methods.

    There is a serious problem of political agenda that goes on here in the commentariat, and if you don’t follow along with the Group Think, the easiest way to rev up the Troops is to either name-call someone a “Statist”, “Patriarchal” or “Technophile” or some such similar attribution if you aren’t strictly for stripping off your clothes to go rewilding; or don’t favor sitting on the tracks and waiting for an runaway train to run over you or join the Church of Euthanasia to pull your own plug to Save the Planet, as Propagandized regularly by the still alive NBL Nihilist, Pat Goebbels.

    Now that this misconception of what I am purported to believe by GM, RD, SP and UF has been cleared up, perhaps we can get round to discussing the actual content of the article, which is the outcomes of Empire and the complete impotence of current policy by the FSoA Goobermint and World Class Stupidity of the folks in charge of this clusterfuck.  KM brings up the new Supreme Allied Commander of NATO Breeding Love in MENA.

    kevin moore Says:

    I see that the ‘supreme allied commander of the Western military alliance’ goes by the name Breedlove.

    Speaking of Orwellian Newzspeak, how about Iraq’s Military Spokesman, SAAD MAAN.

    Forget Baghdad Bob, Meet “Saad Maan” – Iraq’s Military Spokesman

    Then there is Vietnam’s Naval Commander Sum Dum Phuk and Chief Economist of the People’s Bank of China No Luk Dim Wit.

    RE

  • I always thought it darkly humorous that “our” commander for most of the time in Vietnam was Gen. William “More Land West”, sort of like Buck Turgidson in “Dr Strangelove”, and what a turgid manikin he was, and even then, at 19, I knew it had to be about oil, or rubber, or minerals, but VN had little of those, so I just took the general’s name as indicating continuation of Manifest Destiny or some such nonsense, today labeled “Full Spectrum Dominance”, which I hope just ain’t true or even possible.

    But, back then I had lots of chemical accompaniment, and I knew the Magic Theatre was playing just for me, and to my eventual understanding of or amusement at the absurdity of it all.

  • @ RE

    Now that this misconception of what I am purported to believe…

    I don’t think there is any misconception about what you are ‘purported to believe’, what was pointed to was the shallowness of your insights into the terms in question, and now you attempt to evade that criticism by deflecting attention away ‘Don’t blame me, blame the dictionary..it’s not my fault I don’t understand this stuff, is it’, which sleight of hand is not going to go undetected here, RE, however much you might wish it were so.

    ——

    Ray McGovern

    Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko – by thumbing his nose at the leaders of Russia, Germany and France as they repeatedly appealed to him to renew the fragile ceasefire in eastern Ukraine – has left himself and his U.S. patrons isolated, though that’s not the version of the story that you’ll read in the mainstream U.S. press.

    But the reality is that an unusual flurry of high-level conference calls last weekend from key European capitals failed to dissuade Poroshenko from launching major attacks on opposition forces in eastern Ukraine. Washington was alone in voicing support for Poroshenko’s decision, with a State Department spokeswoman saying “he has a right to defend his country.”

    http://original.antiwar.com/mcgovern/2014/07/02/the-risk-of-a-ukraine-bloodbath/

  • “Robin Datta has the, surprising to me, practice of taking one (or two) words out of several phrases in a text, to point that is not correct.”

    Those one or two words may be the
    keystone to the whole edifice.

    “In this case, the way RE uses the words “anarchy and mayhem” are in essence correct,”

    Indeed they are. To those amongst the human livestock who see the ranch hands and cattle prods as a necessity.

    “This is the commonly accepted definition of the word. You folks work with the second definition.”

    The commonly accepted definition reflects the world-view of the human livestock and the management.

    “you live inside a structured system that is miles away from being anarchic under any definition of the word”

    There are aspects of everyday life that are indeed anarchic. The link to the free book “Everyday Anarchy” isn’t for human livestock or their aspiring managers.

    “Even Somalia isn’t anarchic, its run by various Warlords and Pirates these days.”

    The conflation of oligarchies with anarchies reflects the authoritarian need to control and be controlled. From empires with armies to the mugger with a handgun, enforcement by coercive violence is not anarchy. The spectrum includes oligarchs and petty warlords.

    “Basically RD just wants to make a political statement about Statism”

    Those who do not understand anarchy will think in such terms. A political statement is an attempt to foist one’s agenda on others: it is outside the scope of anarchy.

    she is on her own agenda. she’s not real concerned with the content of my article.”.

  • “When you accept authority, you become authority.” Jim Morrison

  • http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com/2014/07/louisiana-sinkhole-collapses-into.html#.U7VSo9DD_cs

    Louisiana Sinkhole Collapses Into Aquifer: ‘Active Volcanic + Geothermal’

    New reports on the Louisiana Bayou Corne sinkhole show that it has collapsed into the Aquifer, making this ever expanding sinkhole an issue not just for the residents of Bayou Corne, but for the entire region as polluted water now being flowing through what is normally clean aquifer water.

    The video below not only shows the activity being seen, but splits the screen with the local meeting held where officials attempt to explain and answer questions from understandably concerned citizens.

    Direct quote:

    “The point-source equivalent force system describing the motions at the seismic source (called moment tensor) showed similarities to seismic events produced by explosions and active geothermal and volcanic environments. But at the sinkhole, an influx of natural gas rather than hot magma may be responsible for elevating the pore pressure enough to destabilize pre-existing zones of weakness, such as fractures or faults at the edge of the salt dome.”

    Much more with charts, images and graphs at Dutchsinse and in his video below.

    Last flyover, at the start of June 2014, shows the ever expanding collapse area has grown by several acres. New “containment berms” have been built, as the original levee system collapsed.

    Now we see breaking news from the Geophysics community in regards to the ongoing earthquake activity at the sinkhole, which is causing further collapse.

  • For all the idiots co-opted by the police state into believing recent definitions, here is the origin of the word in question:

    1530–40; (< Middle French anarchie or Medieval Latin anarchia ) < Greek, anarchía lawlessness, literally, lack of a leader, equivalent to ánarch ( os ) leaderless

  • Also.

    Anarchy is a beautiful thing if you just listen.

    Carlos and Gudrun Lenkersdorf went to Mexico in 1970 to listen to the Mayas.

    From the Mayan language they *learned* that no *hierarchy* separates subject from object, because I drink the water that drinks me and am watched by all that I watch.

    And they *learned* to greet people in the Mayan way:

    “I’m another you.”
    “You’re another me.”

    (See March 17th entry from Eduardo Galeano’s, “Children of the Days.”)

  • I gave up long ago trying to scream louder than everyone else.

    I’ve been reading NBL since 2006 and I probably became an active participant around 2008. I was really scared the first time I posted – since everyone else here seemed so smart and articulate.

    I watched as various fights broke out. I was happy when Guy imposed the two-post-a-day rule, as that seemed to help a lot. Also, many of the screamers have simply faded away and no longer post – as have a lot of the regulars (but, I suspect many of them are still “connected” even if they don’t post here), but then we get new screamers and the volume rises again.

    I mean really. I do think it is important that we understand what words mean – it can be very frustrating when we use the same words yet cannot communicate – but, can’t we agree on terms and then move forward?

    I know what “anarchy” means to me. But, in order for us to communicate, I need to know what it means to you. I seek understanding so that I may communicate. I’m not here to scream and shout and be crazy about the definition of a word.

    Plant no crops, build no cities. Kill nothing. Eat only that which falls from the trees. Sleep on the ground, bathe in the river.

    Just sittin’ on this runaway train, staring out the window, with a cat on my lap.

    The Voluntary Extinction Movement
    Thou shalt not procreate

    The Church of Euthanasia
    Save the planet, kill yourself.

  • How does this make any sense:

    “the easiest way to rev up the Troops is to either name-call someone a “Statist”, “Patriarchal” or “Technophile” or some such similar attribution if you aren’t strictly for stripping off your clothes to go rewilding; or don’t favor sitting on the tracks and waiting for an runaway train to run over you or join the Church of Euthanasia to pull your own plug to Save the Planet, as Propagandized regularly by the still alive NBL Nihilist, Pat Goebbels.”

    I never said a word to this guy, WTF?

  • @ pat

    How does this make any sense:

    It doesn’t.

    He’s drowning in his own ignorance. Shall I throw him a life belt ?
    I don’t think he’s smart enough to grab it.

    Anarchy vs. Anarchism

    One qualifier that we feel is important to begin with is the distinction between “anarchy” and “anarchism.” Some will write this off as merely semantics or trivial, but for most post-left and anti-civilization anarchists, this differentiation is important.

    While anarchism can serve as an important historical reference point from which to draw inspiration and lessons, it has become too systematic, fixed, and ideological…everything anarchy is not.

    Admittedly, this has less to do with anarchism’s social/political/philosophical orientation, and more to do with those who identify as anarchists. No doubt, many from our anarchist lineage would also be disappointed by this trend to solidify what should always be in flux.

    The early self-identified anarchists (Proudhon, Bakunin, Berkman, Goldman, Malatesta, and the like) were responding to their specific contexts, with their own specific motivations and desires. Too often, contemporary anarchists see these individuals as representing the boundaries of anarchy, and create a W.W.B.D.–What Would Bakunin Do (or more correctly, Think)–attitude towards anarchy, which is tragic and potentially dangerous.

    Today, some who identify as “classical” anarchists refuse to accept any effort in previously uncharted territory within anarchism (i.e. primitivism, post-leftism, etc.) or trends which have often been at odds with the rudimentary workers’ mass movement approach (i.e. individualism, nihilism, etc).

    These rigid, dogmatic, and extremely uncreative anarchists have gone so far as to declare that anarchism is a very specific social and economic methodology for organizing the working class. This is obviously an absurd extreme, but such tendencies can be seen in the ideas and projects of many contemporary anarcho-leftists (anarcho-sydicalists, anarcho-communists, platformists, federationists).

    “Anarchism,” as it stands today, is a far-left ideology, one which we need to get beyond. In contrast, “anarchy” is a formless, fluid, organic experience embracing multi-faceted visions of liberation, both personal and collective, and always open.

    As anarchists, we are not interested in forming a new framework or structure to live under or within, however “unobtrusive” or “ethical” it claims to be. Anarchists cannot provide another world for others, but we can raise questions and ideas, try to destroy all domination and that which impedes our lives and our dreams, and live directly connected with our desires.

    http://www.anarchism.net/schools_greenanarchy.htm

  • The emperor is our dad and he is going to kill the family and himself.

  • @RE

    Peter O’Toole as Arthur Chipping responding to a student in Goodbye, Mr. Chips:

    Webster’s ??

    Sorry, no handy YT clip for that scene.
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    …I knew it had to be about oil, or rubber, or minerals, but VN had little of those…

    Back in the 70’s my Mom had a book of compiled quotes about Vietnam.
    The one I remember was by FDR when he was Undersecretary of the Navy (in the 20’s somewhere?). He predicted that sometime in the future ‘we’ would be in conflict in the area of Vietnam because of their oil and rubber. Maybe they don’t have very much of either (at least compared to our capacity to consume them), but either FDR & Crew thought they did back then or else it was a carefully planted seed to prepare us for another future round of “Kick their ass and take their gas”. As Yakov Smirnoff used to say, “America – what a country!”
    Yeah, we get to flip a coin to decide whether today we ought to consider our leaders ill-informed dopes or well-informed thugs, unless it lands on edge in which case we have to wonder if they’re some sort of…

  • robin, maybe u should insert (the man) in between ‘robin’ and ‘datta’ in your name here, to prevent future wrong gender assumptions…

    words suck, don’t they? even simple ones often mean different things to different sheeple. more complex ones representing relatively complex conglomerations of ideas, such as contained in the ‘holy bible’ (wholey babble)… i disagree with grant for example when he conflates christianity with anarchy. it think christianity’s ‘soul’ is as black as the cover of a king james version of the wholey babble, but grant tends to see it from the ‘jesus was an anti-authoritarian revolutionary peacenik’ p.o.v., i guess. neither of us are alone in these views, to state the obvious. but, that’s maybe besides a bigger point, that being that trying to reason with a hardcore dogma addict/abuser/pusher is like trying to drink water with a fork, as is amply illustrated in the comment section below this utube video:

  • Robin, What I can see is that most of the time, the “corrections” you point to, are really irrelevant.
    Like when you mentioned that the right word was species, in singular and plural. Not specie and species. OK, but that mistake does render the text totally impossible to be understood?. I guess not.
    Besides, intelligence allows us to fill the blanks in many situations. Even with more than one wrongly written words, or missing letters, even with missing words.
    Probably in no case ONE WORD” will put in danger the understanding of a message where several lines are used, specially when who is writing it, is quite worried that what is written be properly understood.

    This kind of post you write are mostly meaningless and irrelevant.

    I do not like the way RE is, I do not like the way he does things, I do not agree with his vision, I do not agree with many things he thinks and writes. But I tolerate him, is the least rational attitude to have in a Blog. Where the most valuable thing we can do is just share perceptions.
    RE is just another person with strong personality like many others, just like my two friends of 72 and 74 years old. Just like probably you, Ulv, Guy McPherson, Chia, Lidia, and others here.
    I think he has the right to write essays and say whatever he wants. As all do.
    In every essay there is something valuable to recover, even not agreeing with the gross concept behind.

    But attacking RE (not the concepts and ideas behind the essay), or others, what you are doing with many of your post, does not make things in any way better.
    Unfortunately sometimes they provide a space to begin a dumb discussion. That goes nowhere. Essentially a battle of egos, where the “winner” is who says the last word, who shouts louder, or writes a longer post. The sad thing is that there can´t be any winner in this game. Only losers.

    I already learnt that this kind of discussions lead nowhere.
    I have accepted the personalities of RE, Ulv, Carolyn Baker, Pat, Lidia, and now you are in my list.
    This means that I will comment just if my comment will add some value, and in any case, I will offend.
    Why others cannot yet?

    This is an interesting reality show, that exposes another of the unsolved conflicts that lay inside of our society.
    In this case, most of the participants are literate people, above 50 years old, and many above 70, clever people, highly illustrated people, aware of other conflicts our society faces, worried of nature, people that has done things (leading some kind of action for a better world) . And probably because of this characteristics, persons with a strong personality.
    Clearly an intellectual and activist elite.
    But this participants fail to work together, and understand each other.
    All of them want things to be their way.
    A reflection of the “other” elites of the world?

    Come on guys. Let´s put some sanity here.

  • Infanttyrone: (it was good to see you over at Morris Berman’s –maybe I’ll join someday)

    Probably it came from these researches into the US Elite’s preparations for WW2, and the preceding concept of the necessary “Grand Areas” of US control:

    http://andrewgavinmarshall.com/2011/12/13/the-council-on-foreign-relations-and-the-grand-area-of-the-american-empire/

    “One of the most important objectives it laid out was the identification of what areas of the world America would need to control in order to facilitate strong economic growth. This came to be known as the “Grand Area,” and it included:

    “Latin America, Europe, the colonies of the British Empire, and all of Southeast Asia. Southeast Asia was necessary as a source of raw materials for Great Britain and Japan and as a consumer of Japanese products. The American national interest was then defined in terms of the integration and defense of the Grand Area, which led to plans for the United Nations, the International Monetary Fund, and the World Bank and eventually to the decision to defend Vietnam from a Communist takeover at all costs.”

    Hmmmm… sounds like a plan. Japan, of course, saw the way it was going, too, and that they would be cornered by the US expansion.

    The myth of innocence that is flogged at every anniversary for the heroes (true enough) of the “Greatest Generation”, who helped replace one bunch of mad-crazy MF’ers with a more rational, toned-down “Board of Directors,” is a sad bit of propaganda we have all swallowed, to the exclusion of the complete backstory.

    Especially when you think of what was done to liberation movements even earlier, as in the Philippines, no surprise what US intentions were all along. Famous Americans like Mark Twain were members of the Anti-Imperialist Society. Ooo-ooo-ooo, must be Com-ya-nists, eh?

    When you read more recent imperialists like Huntington, Kagan, Perle, the whole PNAC bunch who are running Obama today, you see that this bunch are entirely willing to play nuclear Chicken with our lives today against other powers to gain a few more yards in the resource wars.

    In their view, the other guy either blinks, or “we” win the war, and the Game Theory outcome holds, for them at least. As a class, they have us out-bunkered, don’t they?

    Ray Jason’s last article covered this very well, and I can only imagine that we are all somewhat numbed by disbelief at being in the presence of, nay RULED BY, such a force of great Evil. “Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name…”

    Climate extinction, bad as it is, is mere logical postscript to what these diabolic entities have already pulled off in their time.

  • @tvt
    i disagree with grant for example when he conflates christianity with anarchy. it think christianity’s ‘soul’ is as black as the cover of a king james version of the wholey babble, but grant tends to see it from the ‘jesus was an anti-authoritarian revolutionary peacenik’ p.o.v., i guess.

    If you pull back just a bit (expand the frame) in your disagreemeent with Grant, I suspect it boils down to your p.o.v. is looking at the churches and his p.o.v. is looking at the original person (if there was one) and what we have been told his teachings were. Plenty of defensible points with the latter, but not so many with the former.
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    No need to join over at Dark Ages America, just show up and say your piece. It is moderated, though, so you don’t get the immediate publishing that usually happens here. Sometimes he’s off in another country or unavailable to approve the posts, but they usually show up in a day or two….very seldom do I find myself humming this one because of sluggish posting at DAA….

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rhiqI6PlTo
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    …I can only imagine that we are all somewhat numbed by disbelief at being in the presence of, nay RULED BY, such a force of great Evil.

    I got numbed BY disbelief quite a while ago (remind me to tell you a story about Columbia Univ. around 1969/70 over Dim Sum). For a long time, disbelief didn’t change anything but me, so I guess I got numb TO the disbelief. Maybe I’m brainwashing myself, but although I feel threatened by them and constrained by them, I don’t think of myself as being ruled by them. Semantics, perhaps, but to use Carlin’s term, our “owners” own us collectively and generally, but not necessarily individually and personally. (OK, one more adverb and my dreams will be haunted by the ghosts of Strunk & White tonight.)

    Tried to find a GD version of Big Boss Man on YT for ya, but they don’t have any old ones with PigPen, so why bother, y’know.
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    @RE
    Here’s a nice tune you might want to put on the Jukebox at your Diner.
    Just in case some Insane Death Cultists stop by and get a tad rowdy.
    Y’know, muttering about taking some of you with ’em or the like.
    It should soothe ’em right down.
    I mean, even the name of the band fits, huh?
    But like an item of Prov’dence or Ordnance – use it or lose it…

  • Relevance is dependent on perspective. Sanctioning the initiation of coercive violence against the peaceful non-compliant makes much irrelevant – to those who sanction that violence.

    Pointing out that such persons sanction that violence is not an attack on them. It is just indicating the difference in perspective. And indicating the pointlessness of attempting a conversation.

    Authoritarian attitudes are forged in childhood from living in an environment of enforced regimentation and violence. The attitudes will last a lifetime and cannot be shaken off by any amount of intellectual dialogue.

    Many moons ago there were authoritarians commenting on NBL whose sanctioning of violence was pointed out, with the expected result of defensive arguments from effect. Those who sanction violence are set in their ways for their lifetimes.

  • Homo sapiens is an extremely violent species. One only has to observe chimpanzees hunting monkeys or hunting down and killing competing chimpanzee intruders, and recognise that we had a common ancestor, to recognise that extreme violence has been ‘in our blood’ for many millions of years.

    Population overshoot and technology have vastly altered the manner in which violence is displayed, with people cocooned in consumer societies institutionalising and outsourcing the violence that maintains their cocoon to other people, usually in other places.
    However, as Europe and discovered twice last century, given the right group of psychotic sociopaths who were subjected to violence during their formative years (it is said that Hitler was nearly beaten to death by his extraordinarily violent father) in control, violence can quickly get completely out of hand.

    This from the fighting in the east is quite astounding:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFqLnmTuhB4ite

    As ulvfugl frequently reminds us, violence is getting out of control in Ukraine.

    Here in lala land using a word like bullshit in ‘polite company’ is considered pushing the boundary too far. After all, those ‘sharp-forever’ knives that are presumably still advertised on home shopping channels are only ever intended for use on vegetables and pieces of dead animals.

    Anarchy is fine by me if it means I am no longer lied to and robbed by governments. On the other hand, it seems that government spending and government welfare schemes are now the only things holding the system together.

  • ‘Anarchy is not Do Whatever the Hell You Want, it’s doing what needs to be done without supervision. It’s being an adult. Which is why it can only work in very small groups.’ -grant

    i’m afraid that’s almost certainly true, which is why, much as many of us may now hate ‘authority’, if we’re ‘(un)lucky enough to live through any great political upheavals in the great travails to come, we may well rue the downfall of previously established ‘authorities’. out of the frying pan, into the fire.

    i may have a pathological aversion to christianity, since it’s the dominant ‘faith’ of my particular society, and clearly imo much to blame for many of the most repulsive aspects of it. taking a cue from the so-called ‘war on drugs’, i’m on my own little testosterone fueled ‘war on dogmas’, it seems. especially dogmas that intimidate and control, instilling fear, shame, and guilt along the way. to me, that’s christianity in a nutshell.

    tyrone, i must disagree with u on jesus’ ‘teachings’. taken literally and as a whole, they are not much different than other sick/evil biblical passages, as is well pointed out by many critics like the one who created the video i linked to in my earlier comment today. for jesus’ teachings to be perceived sympathetically requires a very selective and liberal/sympathetic reading of them. cast off cultural bias, treat these ‘teachings’ with a wholesome, critical view, it becomes apparent that this jesus, on the wildly improbable chance he actually existed and his words were faithfully and accurately recorded several decades later (that’s when all the so-called ‘gospels’ were written)… was a most unpleasant puritanical fanatic/lunatic.

  • @Robin: “Authoritarian attitudes are forged in childhood from living in an environment of enforced regimentation and violence.”

    I beg to differ, in that I have felt myself an anarchist before I had even read the word. My sister, given the same comfortable, stable suburban US childhood (without any particularly onerous regimentation outside of school, and virtually no violence, unreligious outside of Christmas and Easter social niceties plus treats), became a raving right-winger and relatively recent Extreme Bible Literalness Rapture Ready™® Christian convert. Certain studies have shown that the brains of so-called conservatives (by which I believe them to mean authoritarians) and so-called liberals are physically distinct.

    This is in some ways to be expected, evolutionarily, because “conservatism” and “liberalism” each have possible survival advantages.

  • Guy McPherson Says: July 3rd, 2014 at 6:17 am
    For all the idiots co-opted by the police state into believing recent definitions, here is the origin of the word in question:
    1530–40; (< Middle French anarchie or Medieval Latin anarchia ) < Greek, anarchía lawlessness, literally, lack of a leader, equivalent to ánarch ( os ) leaderless

    So now I’m an “idiot coopted by the Police state” because I use the word as it is commonly understood by most people in an article that is mainly about the collapse of said Empire?  Do you always have to descend into name-calling?
    Anyhow, Eddie brought up the same point about the origin of the word Anarchy, which predates the Middle Ages and goes back to ancient greece.
    My response to Eddie on the Diner below.

     
    Quote from: Eddie on Today at 09:45:02 AM

    I ran across  something about anarchy that I thought was spot on.Anarchy doesn’t mean “without rules”. It really means without rulers. It’s about understanding and complying with the real rules, which are the laws of nature. It isn’t about complying with what the elites have decided we need to do, to enrich them at the expense of everyone and everything else on the planet.

    The greek root is anarchos, which means having no rulers.  However, the”real meaning” of a word evolves with time, and modern usage usually denotes a state of disorder.  The dictionary definitions reflect this.  This one from Merriam Webster:Full Definition of ANARCHY1a :  absence of governmentb :  a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authorityc :  a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government2a :  absence or denial of any authority or established orderb :  absence of order :  disorder <not manicured plots but a wild anarchy of nature — Israel Shenker>Guy and his band of Merry Anarchists work with 1c as their definition.  If you use the word any other way, you are a Brainwashed Statist or “Idiot Coopted by the Police State”.  In the NBL Napalm Arsenal of name-calling, only a Patriarchal Brainwashed Statist is lower on the evolutionary scale.As far as some perfect society with No Rulers goes, besides some Nomadic folks like Kalahari Bushmen, even tribal societies have Chiefs and Ruling Councils.  They might even be composed of women in a matriarchal society, but you still have rulers.Far as Guy living by anarchic principles in his mud hut is concerned, that is ridiculous, his hut is in the State of New Mexico.  He can’t live by anarchic principles until both the FSoA and NM collapse.RE

  • You have no idea how I live, RE. And you’re unable to get to the root of any issue, including etymology. You’re demonstrating your ignorance yet again. It’s become quite common for you.

  • ” On the other hand, it seems that government spending and government welfare schemes are now the only things holding the system together.”

    I suppose that IC couldn’t exist without government. So one only goes when the other does. It’s a terrible bind. We just about couldn’t survive without both. I keep thinking about ways to make things–bandaid, shoes, shovels–that don’t require any resources outside of the local community, but I don’t get very far.

    My neighbor is further along the path to self sufficiency than anyone I know. When I tell him about NBL and the scientific info there, he assures me that Earth is due for another ice age (he did the calculations). Ah well…

  • artleads

    ” ….I keep thinking about ways to make things–bandaid, shoes, shovels–that don’t require any resources outside of the local community, but I don’t get very far….”

    You know, I and I suspect many other people here and elsewhere have undergone this strange behavioral phenomenon.
    I suggest it is an instinctual response to the shifting awareness of how one will cope when the usual ports of call for human needs(including medicine) vanish or quickly become sites of uber contention, high cost of rationing.
    IMHO – Trust your instincts, keep filing away your new places to/ways of/combinations of how to supply basic human needs.
    In any case…
    It can’t hurt.
    😉

  • @ Reverse Engineer

    So now I’m an “idiot coopted by the Police state” because I use the word as it is commonly understood by most people in an article that is mainly about the collapse of said Empire?

    You forgot to add, or mention, that said article is addressing an audience, predominately, of ANARCHISTS, and when you demonstrate such hopeless naive illiteracy concerning key concepts regarding foundational political and social thinking in this area, it’s not surprising that your audience is not impressed by your obvious lack of erudition and competence.

    I mean, you show that you are absolutely IGNORANT, RE, when you say :

    As far as some perfect society with No Rulers goes, besides some Nomadic folks like Kalahari Bushmen, even tribal societies have Chiefs and Ruling Councils.

    An anarchist soceity, does not mean that people are not permitted to have a CHIEF or to have a Council, does it, you are simply uneducated and talking rubbish because, as with patriarchy, you know nothing.

    There can be a Chief, but he cannot order anyone to DO anything. He’s merely the central focal point to whom reference is made, when people have concerns.

    The Occupy Movement was instigated by anarchists ! According to what YOU say, that’s impossible, because they are living under the US Gvt.
    Your level of knowledge and understanding in this area is totally fucking dismal.

    Anarchy!
    To begin, what is anarchism? This is a difficult question to answer, because as historian George Woodcock (1986:18) notes:

    http://curiouspraxis.wordpress.com/prefigurative_politics_anthropological_practic/1-context-background-anarchy-n-freeskool/2-1-anarchy/

  • Words are quite an issue.
    They require an effort from both sides.
    And the relevant thing is to try to understand the message, the value content.
    Because in the end, we must try to act together, as a “team”.
    From any interchange of ideas, perceptions and visions, will come up something useful for both sides, or for us, if we think as a team, a big team.
    So any discussion must be kept up to a useful level.
    Without crossing the thin red line.

    Here we cannot point anything as wrong, excepting known facts (from economy, geography, proven history), or numbers (from astronomy, physics, math, mechanics, etc). Physical constants, proven figures, facts from the past..
    About the rest, it is a matter of personal understanding and perception.
    As we mostly deal with the future and things or events that have not happened, or events occurred in the past long before registered history.

    Nobody is right about the future, today. There is no way to proof something that has not happened. Only time will tell.
    The same about what happened before maybe 40 000 years in the past from now. Excluding from that figure a very few and very specific situations.

    Then we have the models. We can discuss about them, but there is no way to know who and what is right. We end with very individual perceptions. Nobody can be proven right.
    The rest is philosophy, ethics, and moral. And in those areas there is no way to agree on what is the right thing.
    Even etymology is up to some point, a relative issue. No matter how many dictionaries are brought into the discussion..

    Finally, in the case of human experience, past experiences are just a reference, as times changes, circumstances change, so even what happened in the past (with specific data as backup), in many cases is not enough proof that things in the present will follow the same behavior or pattern in the future. It will be up to the individual capacity to be able to select what applies, and what does not, regarding the past experiences and their connections with the present and future. No way to determine what prediction is right one, today.

    What I mean in the end is that, at most here we can differ in the opinion, perception, and understanding of some certain issue, in a general way. But pointing somebody saying that is “wrong” is an exercise that at most can produce a “deuce”, after a maybe bloody and quite useless discussion.
    Based on what I have seen here so far, nobody has convinced the other(s) about being wrong. Except when we are talking of really solid data.

    If all of us here understand that we must make a personal effort, finding the right level, and the fine tuning, of our posts, we will get the most out of this extraordinary group of people, and that will be a benefit to all of us.
    Let´s find a way to practice our own “local” anarchy, for the benefit of each one of us.

  • @tvt
    Just so you know…raised/indoctrinated Roman Catholic (RC schools from 3rd through 9th grade, so we had Catechism Class as opposed to Bible Study…escaped/dropped out of that about 45 years ago…no religious affiliation since then.

    I watched the video after reading your recent response.

    I recall Example Y being the bit where Jesus proposes amputation or gouging out ones eye…even in 4th grade I knew how a hand or an eye could be involved with what we were taught were sins, but I couldn’t figure out what the foot thing was all about, so for about 5 minutes I was massively puzzled, but then I didn’t think about the passage until I watched the video. Yeah, it’s a no win for Dr. J. If he was being literal, then he’s fucked up. If he was somehow trying to be allegorical, then it was a lame attempt at allegory, and he’s fucked up. Six of one, half an inch…

    But I think all of the other repulsive passages were either from the OT or from Epistles of some of the apostles/disciples. So the OT passages are part of the established Jewish church (not referring to the building) and the stuff from Titus, Corinthians, and other Epistles are part of the fairly early Christian church, written long after Dr. J. had split the scene.

    Hey, if you have more stuff from the Gospels that’s as bad as the amputation/gouging bit, feel encouraged to send book & verse info, as I didn’t study the source material, just the rules & regs that the nuns and occasional priest instructed us in. And if you want a really good send-up of Dear Saint Paul, try Live from Golgotha by Gore Vidal…not a laff riot every page, but funny as hell.

    Gee, all the clips from Jesus Christ Superstar are down….bummer.
    Luckily I remember this word from Catechism class…enjoy.

  • “the brains of so-called conservatives (by which I believe them to mean authoritarians) and so-called liberals are physically distinct.”

    Authoritarians can be all political stripes. Some can kowtow to BushBaby an others to Bonobobama. In bygone times to Adolf Hitler and Josef Stalin.

    “c : a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government

    Guy and his band of Merry Anarchists work with 1c as their definition.”

    They may, but I don’t.

    “If you use the word any other way, you are a Brainwashed Statist or “Idiot Coopted by the Police State”.”

    The way one uses a word identifies the person’s perceptions and attitudes. “Communist” meant very different things to different people, and to some extent, still does.

    “Brainwashed” is an idea from ignorance. The actual situation is functional and structural brain alterations due to stress, violence and mental trauma in the formative years of childhood.

    “As far as some perfect society with No Rulers goes,”

    Anarchy is seen in some aspects of daily life even here and now. The book “Everyday Anarchy” linked to explains this – but only to those willing to read it.

    “Earth is due for another ice age”

    Indeed it is. We are near the end of the present interglacial period. Without the release of the sequestered carbon ushering in the Anthropocene, the estimated onset of the next glaciation was between a millennium and two millennia from the present. Now, of course, there will be a hot spell. No telling for how long.

    “nobody has convinced the other(s) about being wrong”

    No expectation is harboured of such convincing. Nor should such expectation be presumed from a reiteration of boundaries and definitions. NBL has been anarchist since about its beginning.

    “Let´s find a way to practice our own “local” anarchy, for the benefit of each one of us.”

    That depends on whether or not your idea of anarchy is chaos and violence. If it is, then you are not on the same wavelength.

    Shoes, horseshoes, and a host of other items slowly were invented and crept into mainstream usage from the first stone tools until the advent of the fossil fuel Industrial Age. Most of them could be made again on the way to NTE. Even miniature rice-grain sized vacuum tubes for radios are possible. Some simpler chemicals are also possible.

    Band-aids would have to substitute something for plastic, such as fabric, plant bark, etc. and some adhesive such as plant sap or gum. Presuming plants will be found with climate change: we may be truly effed. Sterilising the items would be another problem. And tossing then out after one use is a luxury of fossil fuels. The older way was to clean, sterilise and reuse items, including bandages.

  • Looks like Kuwait has now Lit Up!

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    The Failure of Empire is accelerating rapidly now, as NATO is unable to control the various populations throughout the MENA region that served as the resource base for industrial civilization.  Kuwait is among the few countries left with large export capability of Oil.  If a decent percentage of their supply goes offline, this is not a lot different than losing Saudi Arabia.

    This stuff is the IMMEDIATE concern, not bickering over definitions of Anarchy.

    Regardless of this, being called Ignorant and an Idiot here because I concern myself with this stuff tends to bug me some, and I have to respond to this rather than discuss the immediate issues threatening all of us.

    I responded to Guy’s latest Napalming of me on the Diner earlier tonight, here is my response:

    Re: The Emperor is Naked
    « Reply #9 on: Today at 08:50:12 PM »

    I am now an Ignorant Idiot in Guy’s estimation.  :icon_mrgreen:

    Quote from: Guy McPherson

    Guy McPherson Says:
    July 3rd, 2014 at 6:16 pm e

    You have no idea how I live, RE. And you’re unable to get to the root of any issue, including etymology. You’re demonstrating your ignorance yet again. It’s become quite common for you.

    I never claimed to know how Guy lives, only how he does NOT live, which is in an anarchic situation by any definition of the word.  He lives in a state with a Goobernor and State Legislature in a Country with a POTUS and CONgress.  There are Police Forces everywhere enforcing the rules, and Property Laws and Taxation everywhere inside these borders.  Everybody here lives under FASCISM, not ANARCHY.  You can’t be an anarchist when you live in a Prison.  The Warden and the Guards enforce the rules.  You got no say in how it goes.

    Insofar as my ability to get to the “root” of any issue, this obviously is a matter of opinion, plenty of people think I do just fine with this.  Not sure what Guy thinks is the root of the issue WRT Etymology, in this case far as Anarchy goes the root of the problem appears to me to be that there are multiple definitions for the word and I used the more commonly used definition rather than the definition that Anarchists favor.  This makes me an ignorant idiot according to Guy.  This sort of name-calling in no way further elucidates the issue.

    What is absolutely clear is that the actual TOPIC of the article isn’t subject for discussion on NBL, rather it just provides opportunity for the Regulars in the commentariat to pitch their spin on the NTHE Party Line, and if you don’t Drink the Kool Aid on this, you are a Brainwashed Patriarchal Ignorant Idiot Statist.  That’s the NBL Napalm Arsenal.  If I drop the same article on TBP, I get pegged as a Lefty Libtard Tree Hugging Ignorant Idiot Communist.  LOL.  I am a Napalm Magnet for BOTH sides here!  :icon_mrgreen:

    Basically, on any website in the Blogosphere, if you don’t Toe the Party Line, the Enforcers of Group Think rev up the rhetoric and Napalm the Living Shit out of you, which basically is the Blogosphere version of PATRIARCHY in Action.  NBL is as Patriarchal as any Blog out there, it is Ruled Over by Guy as Pundit For Life and he has his own Goon Squad of Shit Throwing Monkeys to act as Enforcers, just like Jimbo has on TBPThe only difference here is political spin.

    RE

    What is the POINT in Napalming me over such a trivial issue of which dictionary definition is used in describing Anarchy, when the REAL problem is the ongoing Collapse of the Industrial Civilization and Destruction of the Earth by Empire?  I just don’t get this.

    Finally, Diner Agelbert has a Petition Up to ban all Fossil Fuels and legislate a move toward all Renewable Energy methods possible.  I encourage all concerned with the issues of Resource Depletion and Climate Change to sign this Petition.  Might not help, but it can’t hurt.

    RE

  • @ RE

    Yet another example of your standard tactic to deflect attention away from yourself when you have exposed your ignorance. Not really surprising that people get exasperated with you and resort to insults, is it.

    I mean, you have already insulted everyone here on numerous occasions, saying it’s a Death Cult and so forth, and you’ve shown you are incapable of listening and learning. This is just one more example of your crude insensitivity.

    You can’t be an anarchist when you live in a Prison.

    I mean, how stupid is that ? All around the world there are anarchists in prison. All through last century anarchists were locked up and many died for their beliefs.

    You slander us all here and then expect to be well received ?

    Seems to me, your position can be summed up as ‘I am ignorant and intransigent and there’s not a damn thing any of you can do about it’ and then you go to your buddies and complain about the ‘groupthink’ you encountered. You don’t learn, do you.

  • I’m a martyr. I showed up on time at the art gallery, and though I was so drunk I had pissed myself to my astonishment I was rudely ushered out the door. I thought those people were in favor of free expression! Then surrounded by people who wouldn’t dream of going to an art gallery I started puking and they shunned me too! No one understands me! LOL! LOL! Now I have people from all walks of life avoiding me. Read all about it on my latest blog: ItsAllAboutMe.fart

  • RE,

    Words matter. I pursued anarchy in my classrooms, as I’ve explained in this space. We pursue anarchy in this space, too. You come into my living room, shit all over the floor, and wonder why people point out your indecency.

    Then you belittle all the people in the world whose lives have been destroyed through the use of napalm. You co-opt a word, use it according to recent rather than historical definition, and insult people along the way.

  • grant, u’re funny! i can almost smell your farts from here.

    tyrone, american atheists published a pamphlet written by colin maine titled ‘the unpleasant personality of jesus christ’ which pretty well sums up what a rotten egg ‘dr.j.’ was. a hasty google search didn’t turn up it’s text. basically, though, i think j.c.’s repulsiveness is best illustrated by the doctrine of eternal damnation. this idea didn’t come from the o.t., it comes with the ‘good news’ that jesus brought, summarized here in matthew 7:12 :

    ‘enter by the narrow gate, since the gate that leads to perdition is wide, and the road spacious, and many take it; but it is a narrow gate and a difficult road that lead to life, and only a few find it.’

    some ‘good news’, huh? apparently unless u’re one of the lucky few who leads a sufficiently lonely and miserable life to qualify for sainthood/heaven, u will be among the masses condemned to hell. FOR ALL ETERNITY! (cue the maniacal satanic (or is it godly?!) laughter)

  • “Band-aids would have to substitute something for plastic, such as fabric, plant bark, etc. and some adhesive such as plant sap or gum. Presuming plants will be found with climate change: we may be truly effed. Sterilising the items would be another problem. And tossing then out after one use is a luxury of fossil fuels. The older way was to clean, sterilise and reuse items, including bandages.”

    I understand this well. I grew up in a time and place where modern IC comforts were rare. But there was nevertheless a high standard of old-fashioned (colonial) know-how blended with fairly intact folk know-how. A thing called “jaze” (sp) was routinely used to disinfect the infirmary. You could smell it from a distance. Dettol was much used too–more for domestic than for institutional application. Maybe the old folks need to come together and share their memories while they still may.

  • I’ll be interviewed this afternoon, along with Carolyn Baker. The subject will be our forthcoming book, Extinction Dialogs. Catch the interview here at 3:00 p.m. on the west coast of the U.S., 6:00 p.m Eastern time.

  • “You can’t be an anarchist when you live in a Prison.”

    Many an anarchist has languished in prison. There are many aspects to daily living that are still anarchic: for those with a synapse or two between the ears, the free ebook, free audiobook Everyday Anarchy points this out.

    “used the more commonly used definition”

    That choice informs on one’s perceptions, world view and attitudes. It places one amongst the sheeple. It affects the dialogue. Just as one speaks differently to the collapse-aware and to the rest.

    “What is the POINT in Napalming me over such a trivial issue of which dictionary definition”

    None, whatsoever, and that is the point: there is no way to make such a person understand. Pointing out that an apple is an apple and an orange an orange, is neither criticism of the apple nor the orange.

    “I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it.”

    – George Bernard Shaw

    “Dettol was much used too”

    Yes, the sun of the British Raj had set, but not so long before that Dettol had faded into history. Knew it in my childhood. The nearest thing to it (at least in smell) seems to be Pine Sol. But my religion when I worked was (and remains) Betadine.

  • Here’s a New Age gem for the blog. No doubt, it will be glowingly appraised! It came just now into my email inbox, and I can’t help sharing: 🙂

    ” There comes a time in your life, when you walk away from all the drama and people who create it. You surround yourself with people who make you laugh. Forget the bad and focus on the good. Love the people who treat you well, pray for the ones who don’t. Life is too short to be anything but happy. Falling down is a part of life, getting back up is living.

    Quote: “Today may there be peace within. May you trust that you are
    exactly where you are meant to be. May you not forget the infinite
    possibilities that are born in yourself and others. May you use the
    gifts that you have received and pass on the love that has been given
    to you. May you be content with yourself just the way you are. Let
    this knowledge settle into your bones, and allow your soul the freedom to sing, dance, praise and love. It is there for each and every one of us.”
    ———

    Kevin observes the dangerous nature of humans. And before the thread vanishes, I must share this no doubt fascinating piece of fantasy (since I’m on a roll): The Emperor is Naked, but we are collectively hypnotized so as not to notice it. Likewise, humans have mouths that are somewhat like those of alligators and that we are similarly blinded to.

    Actually, the teeth of humans are more fearsome than those of alligators or sharks, but we lack the unclouded vision to see it. One has to do some guessing as to what it’s like. The jaw strength is utterly amazing, and the human thrills and delights in chomping down on living things. Thermodynamics, perhaps. Transforming this form of energy down to something lesser–the way food scraps get transformed into compost.

    The pleasure of the bite is immense. The texture that mixes fluids, tissues, flesh and bone. The crunching of the bones is delightful. It produces sound, and provides healthy resistance for the teeth. The human has no ill intent in chomping down. This is simply what it does. (Oh, the dripping fluids falling away from the bones–slurp!)

    There comes a time, however, when the ecstasy must give way to practical considerations, and this massive killing machine (teeth/jaw)must be sublimated away from mindless chomping to something more practical. What will this sublimated killing machine of the (unified, riled up) human race look like to TPTB?

  • The afternoon talk minus the clutter of the full site:
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  • If anyone has any interest, I just posted this at Fractal Planet:

    @ Landbeyond:

    The article I sent earlier nicely summarizes McPherson’s argument, here again: http://transitionvoice.com/2011/11/three-paths-to-near-term-human-extinction/.

    This paragraph that I wrote in my essay here: https://guymcpherson.com/2014/06/mcphersons-wrong-about-global-warming-thoughts-on-some-possible-psychological-and-emotional-motivations-for-the-attacks-on-guy-mcpherson/ , which Guy McPherson confirmed as an accurate statement prior to publication of that essay, repeats his argument more briefly:

    “Some critics appear to believe that Guy McPherson argues that probable human extinction will come exclusively from global climate change, but he does not. Instead, he argues that a mass die-off, with probable human extinction, will come from one or some combination of three, global-scale, mutually interacting processes: global climate change, environmental collapse, and/or nuclear meltdown. (For more specifics on this, see this article written in November, 2011: http://transitionvoice.com/2011/11/three-paths-to-near-term-human-extinction/ .) Directly related to this, he also argues that, due to peak oil, peak potable water, peak soil, other peaks, and general ecological collapse, industrial civilization will soon collapse. Because of greatly reduced atmospheric reflectance, this will quickly result in an increase in average atmospheric temperature to 2 C° (3.6 F°) over the pre-industrial baseline. Meanwhile, the interiors of large continents heat much faster than the global average, so those areas will become uninhabitable for humans shortly after the collapse of industrial civilization.”

    So, I will ask my four questions again. Hopefully, you will answer them this time. Please help me and the other readers, here, with these four questions: (1) What do you hope to accomplish when you consciously, purposely, and repeatedly insist that Guy McPherson claims that clathrates, alone, will produce NTHE, while he ACTUALLY states repeatedly in his speaking and writing that general ecological collapse PLUS climate change (with clathrates ONLY ONE OF MANY INTERACTING PROCESSES producing that climate change), PLUS nuclear collapse, will probably produce NTHE? (2) How should I and the other readers interpret this blatant, repeated misrepresentation on your part? (3) How does your misrepresentation help anyone other than, perhaps, you in some emotional ways? And, (4) How does your misrepresentation amount to either good reasoning or good scientific argumentation?

  • As a ‘highly-educated long-time hard-bitten anarchist’, allow me to add my 2cents to the discussion:
    Language is alive, it is not static; the meanings of words changes, meanings are added, and words disappear from usage. Nothing controversial about that. What’s important to keep in mind is the context in which these changes occur. The context is our world, our history, our society, our political and economic system and the power structures that exist at any given time. What is the context in which the meaning of anarchism came to be changed?
    The etymology of the word anarchism has a long history, as indicated by Robin Datta’s definition (from the original Greek) which is also where the social historian Raymond Williams places the roots of the word. However, he continues, “…mainly between the 1870s and 1914, one minority tendency in anarchism had adopted tactics of individual violence and assassination, against political rulers. A strong residual sense of anarchist as this kind of terrorist (in the language, with terrorism,from C18) has not been forgotten,though it is clearly separate from the mainstream anarchist movement.” http://aklatangbayan.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/raymond-williams-keywords.pdf
    Why then has this ‘minority tendency’ that had it’s heyday between 1870 to 1914 become the primary definition, superseding in the popular imagination the original definition of anarchism?
    For that RE you need to read some social history. But I’ll give you a hint; industrial capitalism, mass-immigration and violent suppression of labor rights are the rough context in which anarchism and anarchists were vilified by the corporate and political establishment with the willing support of the media. (So class-war obscured by the MSM…hmm, the more things change, the more they stay the same). If repeated often enough this propaganda becomes established as common knowledge, and even warrants an entry into the dictionary. Look beyond the surface, dictionary definitions are not the best way to understand reality.

  • Infanttyrone:

    Don’t waste ur time with the few creeps on this site. I guess this is why Berman censored so much. Better to let the bastards stay in the dark. He even censored me about racism and American rulers being worse than Hitler.

    I should have stayed in hiding. It’s all over anyway. Fuck it.

  • A couple of essays that will resonate with many here I think, if you haven’t already found them.

    Golem xiv – “The Disloyal” by David Malone….just got on to this blog but will be a regular reader.

    Fred On Everything – “The Bergdahl Thing” by Fred Reed….Fred is an acquired taste and many of you may wish to put the cap back on after reading the essay in question. I read everything he writes. Some of it makes me uncomfortable. Race Realist was a new term to me, you might like to Google that and read the black guy’s (now living in China) essay.

    The thing to note about David and Fred is how different they are in age, look, background, experience, etc. and yet I get something worthwhile from both. Hope you will too.

  • I know nothing about RE’s background, so am loathe to make judgements. However, previous ‘conversations’ suggest to me that he is what in the rest of the world might regard as a typical American insofar as the American education system has proven to be a spectacular failure for the majority in much the same way that the American health system has proven to be a spectacular failure for most people.

    It is said that, apart from the great desire of early Americans to distance themselves from Britain by changing the spelling if words, much of the ‘problem’ with the American language comes from the fact that there were millions of migrants who could not speak English when they arrived and made it up as they went along.

    I believe there is an island just off the east coast of Carolina or Virginia where people speak much the same way that people did in England in the seventeenth century, people in England having picked up words from elsewhere and changed the meanings of many.

    I have witnessed such changes in my lifetime. As a child I knew the word ‘gay’ to mean merry, joyful etc. but now it is hardly ever used in that context. These days world such as ‘alacrity’ are seldom heard.

    Changing circumstances though my life have resulted in me teaching at various times: chemistry, physics, biology, horticulture, and English, as well as odd units such as electronics and plastics, and have at other times been responsible for training and environmental monitoring. So I do have a reasonably good idea about most things.

    In my experience, the worst people I have had to deal with have been engineers because they tend to think of themselves as being well educated yet their perspectives tend to be very limited. And they usually tend to be thinking in terms of technological solutions to problems created by technology, with little or no regard to the effect their construction will have on local or global ecology. Thus, if we have a ‘problem’ of declining oil extraction the answer is horizontal drilling, multiple-head feeders, smashing rock structures etc.

    As I write, a monstrosity in under construction in New Plymouth, a new gallery which, according to the artist’s impression, will be surfaced with massive sheets of curved stainless steel, undoubtedly creating humungous reflectance problems if the global economic system does not collapse before the thing is completed (mid-2015).

    Where a few weeks ago there was a block of flats gardens and trees there is now a huge hole (I estimate 8 metres deep and 15 metres across at this stage, which I take to be the excavation for an underground car park for a hotel which is under construction. Apparently, there is a severe shortage of accommodation in overnight New Plymouth -well so we are told. Architects and engineers have to keep the show on the road somehow.

    There is what is commonly called ‘the gap’ in NP (and other parts of NZ), which is getting wider by the day. We have frantic construction activity, with upgrades to bridges and additional roading underway right at the time when property values are falling, businesses are struggling to maintain cashflow, and the council has ‘no money’ to carry out basic maintenance.

    One of the latest rorts concerns earthquake strengthening of buildings that have been standing for many decades but which are now deems to be at risk. By the same token, the risk of peak oil mayhem, or climate change is considered to be close to zero. In fact zero most of the time.

    Dairy prices have been falling in recent months , and the kiwi dollar ‘rising’, or put more correctly falling in value less quickly than most other fiat currencies because NZ is still offering above average interest rates to overseas investors. And quite a lot of people are rushing to get into the lifeboat (4,000) a month last I heard, mostly crammed into ever smaller rabbit hutches piled on top of one another in Auckland.

    We experienced a cold blast a few days go and there is finally a good dose of snow on the mountain, though it is clearly not deep, and grey ridges are clearly visible.

    Last month was around 2oC above average across much of NZ, and we wonder what July will bring, other than more of the same.

  • The Lifeboat Hour podcast

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    2014.07.13 Guy McPherson

    2014.07.20 Zhiwa Woodbury

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  • @ YT

    Are you a newcomer here ? Welcome to the Beach of Doom.

    The English language is notoriously ambiguous and irrational, and many, if not most, words, have multiple meanings which have to be guessed, according to context, which makes it a nightmare for foreigners to learn.

    Much of this is quite deliberate, to do with the English class structure, which dates back to the Norman Conquest. The upper class ruling elite spoke Norman French, the brutally suppressed conquered peasants, Anglo-Saxon English.

    Ever since, those two languages have been blending, along with Latin and other elements, but there is still the concealed code that only the initiated understand.

    It’s most apparent in the food words. The names for the animals, when they are out in the wet, muddy fields, being tended by rustic yokels are all germanic, whilst, magically, when they become converted into food that’s cooked to be eaten on the table by the rich aristocrats, the names all have french etymology. Still happens that ‘posh’ English restaurants and hotels write their menus in French, so that the hoi poloi have no idea what to order.

    I mention all this, because, as a highly-educated long-time hard-bitten anarchist, I feel it is my solemn duty to attack and exposes the class structure at any opportunity…

    I believe ‘nature’ is the worst word, with the most meanings, so you can take it as guaranteed, that if you speak or write it, the other person will have an entirely different concept in their mind and will never understand what you are talking about.

    Anyway… where was I ? Yes, for example, the word ‘labour’ means to work, but also to give birth, and if RE was giving a talk to an audience of midwives here, rather than anarchists, and used the word labour, and it became clear that he did not understand the distinction between the two meanings, and equated having a baby with digging foundations for a block of flats, then that would be an illustration of the sort of objection I am raising.

    Because it would indicate a complete lack of knowledge and understanding of the people he was addressing and their background.

    And then, when his attention is drawn to this matter, the word in question, to shrug it off as really of no consequence, ‘trivial’, adds insult to injury.

    The anarchists have an amazing and noble heritage of which RE is totally ignorant and unaware. He’s an illiterate buffoon who seems to think that insulting us will compensate for the vast gaps in his education. That won’t do.

    This is what is so irksome. The insensitivity and lack of respect. And the self-righteous whining about the response. And this keeps happening. But he is one, and we are many. The power always rests with the audience.

  • Guy I have the up most respect for what you are doing with your life now as a teacher to the people who want the truth, I tried the academia route my self almost a masters in social economics and a
    minor in political science from the University of Chicago, I myself
    could not go further with my studies because I began to see the light and had a mental break down two semesters before I graduated, the reason for my break down is I started to understand that the system that the lemmings believe in is unfixable we have corrupted humanity beyond repair, and this was back in 1987. So I decided to start a carpet cleaning company I guess I thought I was helping people but actually I was hurting them from the use of water to clean their carpets if the general public knew how much water is wasted just to clean carpets, but then again I think the majority really do not give a shit, especially when they do not champion the idea of a better earth for their offspring they produce.

    Here is a little poem I wrote a while ago;

    Waste Creates Waste

    By

    John Pieczykowski

    6/26/13

    Crude oil makes carbon monoxide

    Waste Creates Waste

    Over consumption and unbridled affluence

    Waste Creates Waste

    Hate,anger,intolerance and injustice

    Waste Creates Waste

    Plutonium creates nuclear fusion, which creates a bomb

    Waste Creates Waste

    Killing in the belief of peace

    Waste Creates Waste

    Not understanding the gifts of nature for the advancement of mankind

    Waste Creates Waste

    Not understanding that the creator can not torture your soul
    for time immortal because the creator would be oxymoronic

    Waste Creates Waste

    When will the human race learn not to create waste?

  • With apologies for the third post…

    Robin,

    Thanks for the note on the interglacial. As a result of it I was able to thank my neighbor for opening a door to my understanding. And since I had mumbled something about not hearing this on NBL (I skip a lot of the harder science talk), it was good to honor this man’s understanding of science.

    I, too, am a betadyne fan. If I remember correctly, someone I knew had a role in developing the product…maybe through Los Alamos labs. It is even good for skin rash. It may take repeated applications, but the malady goes away smoothly, with no after effects. Very gentle. Very impressive.

  • Sorry guy I forgot to add this, I think you are one of best authors/writers I have ever read thank you so very much for
    the script.

    John

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    @shep
    Everywhere there are creeps. I have this scrolling mouse that makes it easy to skip past some things here and at DAA. Hope you caught the previous YT clip up yonder. The description got truncated, but if you want to catch Joan Baez’s singing AND dancing with the Dead, scroll back up there.
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    @RE
    I am a Napalm Magnet for BOTH sides here!
    In certain situations that could be a positive thing for you, like if you manage to outwit the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics and could reconstitute the flaming jelly back into its previous non-flaming state. Deploy it to defend your dome-a-silos or something. Until that happens, you might read a bit about Karl Hess. Speechwriter for Goldwater in 1964, joined SDS in 1965, worked with the Panthers, and protested Vietnam. Tried the right, tried the left, and wound up as an anarchist (non-melee character). It was easier back in the 60’s, I guess – back when Taibbi’s vampire squid was an adolescent – but the USA was your FSoA long before then, and some people still managed to live at a long arm’s-length remove from both the left and right. Hess’ later targeting by the IRS (thanks LBJ) showed that if you don’t have any income, you’re pretty much immune from the IRS’s clutches…it ain’t the whole gub’mint, but it was a big step.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Hess
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    I’m not sure if tonight’s entertainment is exactly a Trifecta of relevance. Don’t think UJB is quite as much of an NBL tune as it might first appear to be. But, hey it’s the 4th of July and at least UJB has the line about cannonballs…not the pool kind of cannonball, not the felt-covered kind of pool, not the Mad Hatter’s mercury poisoning or secure-in-your-Snuggie kind of felt-covered, etc.

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    and
    The Three Stooges take on The Four Horsemen

  • Wolfbird, I’m not a newcomer here, long-time visitor but only occasional poster. The misrepresentation of anarchism as mayhem just pushes my buttons.

  • The word Luddite is frequently used to disparage and imply that a person is irrationally opposed to ‘progress’. Indeed, such has been the power of the empire to set the agenda that anyone who opposes looting and polluting, mechanisation, globalisation etc. is frequently deemed to be antisocial. Many fascistic western governments are working towards making opposition to looting and polluting a criminal offence.

    We are in the period that marks 200 years since the Luddite movement was crushed.

    Luddite (ˈlʌdaɪt)

    n
    1. (Historical Terms) any of the textile workers opposed to mechanization who rioted and organized machine-breaking between 1811 and 1816

    2. any opponent of industrial change or innovation

    adj
    3. (Historical Terms) of or relating to the Luddites

    [C19: alleged to be named after Ned Ludd, an 18th-century Leicestershire workman, who destroyed industrial machinery]

    ˈLuddism n

    Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003

  • “Who Killed the Electric Car?”

    Just finished the first segment; don’t know how I missed this fine documentary before.

    Could be the Murder of the Century, indeed. The rest of us are just collateral damage, bystanders who’d never thought of owning one, or destroying one. But we all get to die, because it did.

    I guess I’ve entered the “Get off my lawn!” demographic. The idiots outside firing off loud booms and sparkly lights have the same boyish delight as the teens getting their first car and dreaming of backseat conquest.

    All I can think of is Baghdad, and how these twerps are future imperial cannon fodder. Lots of military families around here. One day, they WON’T be brought home, evacuated in style, but abandoned to the tender mercies of their victims’ relatives.

    To conflate Gandhi and King: “The arc of Karma is long, but it bends toward justice.”

    The celebration of violence and the imposition of cultural and actual rape on weaker peoples inflames my most misanthropic sentiments, even while I’m quoting those who taught Compassion.

    Anybody listened to sports talk radio lately? Yikes! Young men making complete asses of their ability to speak. Exemplars of a species that has as much right to exist as the mosquito. Actually, my mosquitoes are quite polite and undemanding, and ask to be let out, should they find themselves entrapped in my house.

    I did sit with a healthily-chubby-looking ribbon snake who had curled up under my picnic table as darkness approached. I was hoping the thudding impacts of the idiot incendiarists would not disturb him too much, but it was mostly me indulging in the pleasure of his company.

    I’m taking a break to write this. I’m afraid that when I get done with the electric car movie, I’m gonna go lookin’ for someone. I’ve been visiting places where a C-note can get you payback. “Dirty deeds, done dirt cheap.”

    Enveloped with grief, that little, occasional spark of anger feels embarrassingly inadequate to the occasion… anyone else feel this way?

  • Using “Goobermints” & “Goobernor” makes you sound like a dip shit, RE.

    Just sayin’.

  • “Using “Goobermints” & “Goobernor” makes you sound like a dip shit, RE.”

    Shouldn’t one sound like one?

  • @Henry, saw that docu and share your pain. The noise of humanity is one reason we want to leave suburbia to die in the relative quiet of what is left of the country.

    Isn’t it amazing that the way we demonstrate our love of country is to blow shit up? I fucking hate the fourth! Hate it. Listening to the assholes last night, I really really wanted to get my gun out and add my own fireworks to the cacophony but I remained “civilized.”

  • I have read this blog, off and on, almost from the beginning and I can quite categorically state that RE is mostly harmless.

    qv Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy

  • I’ve posted anew, with a poem and links to recent goings-on. Catch it here.

  • RE
    Why did you use the word “anarchy” when you maybe meant “chaos”. Did you want to stir this pot?

  • wildwoman — my own sistah, fa’ true! When I’m in-country, I hide away from these idiots in near-perfect privacy, 1%-style (even better than!) but on a low, low budget. No gate, but have a moat around my castle, too. Keeps the J-Dubs away. Crocs everywhere! (OK, I’m looking for a few life-size animated replicas.)

    infanttyrone:

    “I don’t think of myself as being ruled by them” You, like Morris, were one of the few (maybe 7 million, by one count I saw) smart enough to get out. Options of retirement years, on a budget, of course. But there are also a few billionarios who’ll be flying in over your place to their “compounds”, when necessary, to get away from the rampaging victims of their system.

    Where you were helped kick off the entire show. We heard Mark Rudd, and read Kunen’s “The Strawberry Statement”, and acted accordingly.

    No, Empires in full flux never give Peace a chance, at Columbia, or anywhere else where it can muster enough force. “War is the health of the State.” They just ask you if you want to be added to their list of victims, teaching all other idealists the same lesson of consequences, or to tiptoe quietly away while you still can.

    Turn the next corner, walk slowly, and you’re White again.

    “They shoot students, don’t they.”

    Police riots the norm; How can you call someone “unprofessional”, when Murder is the Method?

    Beatings administered free of charge; also, free of trial or verdict. RE’s “FSoA” has long been with us, bears repetition to get through our cognitively dissonant, denialist skulls. (I was on a barricade in D.C., did not go over, but held the backpack for one who did.)

    Sieg heil, y’all. Adolf never left the building, but keeps coming back for encores. Op. Paperclip, baby… zombie Fascist attack, they just keep on comin’!

    Here, we are allowed the precious “freedom of speech”, only because they have accurately measured the effectiveness of their “manufacture of consent”, and found it adequate to the task, leaving us to rant out here on “The Res” reserved for said would-be humanitarians. “Pound sand, hippies!”

    Earth as livable habitat was given even less of a chance than the babies in the ditch at My Lai, torn by American machine gun bullets as their mothers tried in vain to shelter them. Start of the Calley-Yuga for me. Has “America” since risen above those dark moments, or are they the regularly repeated “DNA” of its actual character, as in No Gun Ri (Korea), Moro Crater in the Philippines, and Fallujah in Iraq? Free Fire Zone, coming to your neighborhood, when?

    Yes, you have to pick your battles, and we just weren’t up to speed on climate impacts then, but I think we picked correctly at the time for impact possible. Hell, the generals wanted to NUKE N. Vietnam. Over what? (Hey, what’s the diff? 20 years earlier, they nuked the Japs who looked all gookily the same, and no serious blowback yet over that one.)

    More sympathies raised against a particular war, like Vietnam, and easier to mobilize 20% of the public at a higher level of opposition. But it still wasn’t enough, or at least in time for 3 million innocent lives. Can you imagine 60,000 dead US troops being allowed today? Our “heroic” fathers wanting us to follow in their footsteps. Why? “Just because…”

    No, we let the Climate one slip by us. But it couldn’t have gained enough traction early enough on, with IndCiv at its peak of prosperity for USAmericans. Your really would have looked just plain CRAZY. I think we might have gotten to it, sooner, though, if the resistance to Peace hadn’t been so entrenched and taken so long to concede just one defeat.

    As Martin said, the night before he died: “I just want them to say that I tried…”

    Sorry, all you Lifers out there, you creepy-crawlies who show up for work everyday, and “jest git ‘er done”. This is what I discussed with my snake friend last night. (I asked him if he’d just been out gobbling up mole babies. He had a telltale bulge in his midsection, and plenty more to enjoy.) He was a good — a very good — listener. Whether he accepted my apology, I don’t know…

  • Henry,

    So you HAVE to be a writer. I don’t know if you like the comparison, but this reminded me a lot of HM (my very favorite writer and guide, so I mean well anyway). I particularly like your snake friend…with due reservations of course.

  • “mt Says:
    July 5th, 2014 at 9:57 am e

    RE
    Why did you use the word “anarchy” when you maybe meant “chaos”. Did you want to stir this pot?”

    I didn’t write that article focusing on this, and I wasn’t thinking about how NBL Anarchists would focus down on this one sentence in an article focused on the End of Empire.

    Returning to the dictionary, it lists chaos as a synonym for anarchy. I could have used chaos instead, it is what I meant in the sentence, but I really wasn’t thinking about how it might be perceived by anarchists when I wrote it. I wrote it originally for the Diner, not for NBL.

    In the end though, it doesn’t matter, because no matter what words I choose, the same folks will make the same attacks in the same manner no matter what.

    RE

  • HM refers to Henry Miller.

  • “@RE

    I am a Napalm Magnet for BOTH sides here!

    In certain situations that could be a positive thing for you, like if you manage to outwit the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics and could reconstitute the flaming jelly back into its previous non-flaming state. Deploy it to defend your dome-a-silos or something. Until that happens, you might read a bit about Karl Hess. Speechwriter for Goldwater in 1964, joined SDS in 1965, worked with the Panthers, and protested Vietnam. Tried the right, tried the left, and wound up as an anarchist (non-melee character). It was easier back in the 60′s, I guess – back when Taibbi’s vampire squid was an adolescent – but the USA was your FSoA long before then, and some people still managed to live at a long arm’s-length remove from both the left and right. Hess’ later targeting by the IRS (thanks LBJ) showed that if you don’t have any income, you’re pretty much immune from the IRS’s clutches…it ain’t the whole gub’mint, but it was a big step.”-IT

    I don’t really care much whether being a Napalm Magnet is Positive or Negative for me. I just write it as I see it. The fact it pisses off people on BOTH sides of the Political Spin Doctoring line indicates to me that I probably am more or less correct in my POV.

    Far as my use of the word “Napalm” being disrespectful of all the people in the world who have had literal Napalm pitched at them, this is complete stupidity. Then you can make the argument if you use the word “Flamethrower”, you diss everyone who literally got torched by a flamethrower. It’s a METAPHOR.

    Beyond that, chastizing me for insulting people here when you call me an Ignorant Idiot is pretty disingenuous. Doomers who live in Glass Domes OR Mud Huts should not throw Stones. LOL. I got attacked here long before I revved up my rhetorical defenses, and the escalation of this continues. So be it, that is how it goes. EVERYBODY KNOWS.

    RE

  • @ RE

    In the end though, it doesn’t matter, because no matter what words I choose, the same folks will make the same attacks in the same manner no matter what.

    That’s not true. That’s you being self-righteous and self-pitying and insulting us, once again.

    If a stand-up comedian goes on stage and tells jokes and nobody laughs, it’s not the audience’s fault, is it. It’s his fault. Either because the material is no good, or the delivery is no good.

    You want to blame the audience for your own failings.

    A really good comedian can make anybody laugh, anywhere. For them, life is funny, they are laughing at themselves. The audience can sense that.

    It’s become clear, over time, where you are at, RE. You sowed the seeds, you got the harvest. All that shit about this being a death cult, and us being QUITTERS, and implying we were responsible for Ruppert’s suicide, and so forth.

    The words ‘anarchy’, ‘patriarchy’,etc, wouldn’t matter if you actually knew what you were talking about, but they open the window, don’t they, and let the light in, and show your lack of education, insight, knowledge, understanding. So you get humiliated, the result of your own egotism.

  • @ RE

    I don’t really care much whether being a Napalm Magnet is Positive or Negative for me. I just write it as I see it. The fact it pisses off people on BOTH sides of the Political Spin Doctoring line indicates to me that I probably am more or less correct in my POV.

    No it doesn’t. It indicates that you are an insensitive twat who learns nothing. That’s why you got the reception that you just got.

  • @RE

    If you were simply using the part I *did* write as a jumping off point for your second two paragraphs, that’s fine with me.

    But just to be clear, in case you (consciously or not) conflated what I wrote into something attacking you for insulting people who had been actually napalmed or flamethrowered or chastising you for insulting people here, I’m fairly certain you should respond to whoever did the attacking or chastising. They might suffer some loss of self-esteem on account of feeling neglected or something.

    The fact it pisses off people on BOTH sides of the Political Spin Doctoring line indicates to me that I probably am more or less correct in my POV.

    Care is recommended with conclusions based on this type of geometry/logic.
    Sure, like the Spanish anarchists that Shep referenced way-up-thread, you can be so correct that three major powers (well, the USA, USSR, and Generalissimo Franco) gang up to crush you.

    OTOH, you might be so wrong that, working independently or in concert, two or more sides try to silence, remove, or marginalize you, the better to get back to the real argument they had going before you showed up. I can imagine you and some folks that you never seem to agree with all blasting to smithereens some Louisiana Separatist (mebbe posting as ‘cajunnation’) who showed up here.

    Sometimes you’re in the right parking lot, just in the wrong taxi…

  • OOOOOPS

    Sorry about the yearly error I made trying to post a YT clip that is on my playlist…gettin’ too old to remember not to do that.

    Here’s the clip ‘the wrong taxi’ referred to….I hope.

  • “No it doesn’t. It indicates that you are an insensitive twat who learns nothing. That’s why you got the reception that you just got.”-UF

    What’s the Frequency, Kenneth?

    Reception depends on how well tuned in anybody is to what you are saying. My reception on NBL is not very good, on the Diner it is a good deal better. Far as the readers are concerned in the blogosphere, overall the Diner has better Reception than NBL.

    I submit some articles I write to Guy to publish on NBL because I think the topics we discuss crossover. However, they mostly get poor reception here, and likely always will. We operate on different frequencies, so what plays well with one group does not play well with the other.

    We all do not agree on the outcomes likely, we all don’t agree on how best to deal with what comes before us. I just present my opinion, I call it as I see it. I get called an Ignorant Idiot for doing so here. So be it.

    RE

  • “I call it as I see it. I get called an Ignorant Idiot for doing so here. So be it.”

    Good point. This needs to be amended to add “whining” to ignorant idiot. If not for the overflowing self-pity, Re wouldn’t be funny at all.

  • @ Grant

    Remember, he’s the guy who is going to be paid to send young males who reach puberty out into the wilderness all alone for a year, to see if they can survive. Or not. And if they never come back, well, tough. Obviously, they lacked a sense of humour or something. Sorry, no refunds.

  • Artleads — yes, it was that surprise $6 check that arrived for a newspaper contribution I’d been asked to write that set me off on a 20-year quest to “be a writer” — so much mythology around that title!

    Lifetime total is still $6. So many obsolete notes, clips, and drafts still lying around here, somewhere.

    Have you read Guy’s “Going Dark”? I take it with me on trips, and time and again, after a chapter, I think, “Yeah, that’s just about what I would like to say now. Thanks Guy, for relieving me of the job of writing it. Nothing I could add now is going to make much of a difference.”

    RE — Just put your essays out there, they are clear, coherent writing, and be ready to discuss the ideas. We are all trying to peer around the corner into future events that are going to overwhelm most of us. Don’t take this stuff personally, and you’ll have your best chance of adapting to what actually happens.

  • And, Artleads, thanks for the reminder! Keeping up with current topics on the Internet has knocked out my taking time to read actual literature. Amazing it is that good writers and storytellers remain “modern” even in these sped-up times, especially so. Also amazing how they contained within their future visions much of what we are contemplating here. As if all good stories must reprise the few basic themes?

    I will add HM to top of my reading attempts, (and possibly to my composite identity?) Is there any that radical left to do in writing anymore, or has it all been subsumed to the lemming culture determined to go over the cliff?