NTHE Question

What do people think of the slogan and campaign briefly described below?It’s been discussed on the Climate Progress blog.

The designer, Milton Glaser (who did the I heart NY slogan), was on CBC national radio last month and made the point that Global Warming sounds like something comforting to those not understanding science (97% of people maybe?). He suggests it should be Global Dying, and that acknowledgement was the most important step in effecting any type of change, according to the Buddhists. Could be he was reading NBL. Right after he was on the air, they brought on a “happium” (maybe a good term for the mandatory optimism plague) climate science physicist who lied about the extent of the catastrophe and stated his opinion that the message was much too gloomy and would create depression, helplessness and inaction (as if that isn’t what we already have). I think he should modify the words to read IT’S NOT ABOUT WARMING IT’S ABOUT DYING since the literalists, of which there are many, are pointing out that the statement about the warming is not factually correct.


McPherson’s 26 September 2014 interview with Cynthia Fernandes is described and embedded here

Comments 48

  • Yes. A more accurate meme. We could have a new permanent page. Summary of indicators of Global Dying.

  • I am very curious why the general belief is that action only comes from a place of happiness or hope. It seems to me that both are the root of complacency. As is a sense of powerlessness.

    I think hopium is merely a form of denial. When I started grad school I remember my first seminar class….second week in…we reviewed were discussing a paper on the mass balance for carbon cycling. I remember saying something akin to that techie advances will save us eventually. For me it was insincere–I figured this is what this group of people want to hear.

    I will never forget the look I got from every person in the room. I stopped pandering and began dealing with reality.

  • Much more accurate – it was about warming 30 years ago.

  • Yesterday I was at our local farmers’ market as both a vendor and a player of music. It was a ‘Goldilocks’ kind of day – sunny, mild and about 10’C too warm for late September. I knew before I arrived that everyone would be singing the praises of this ‘glorious’ fall weather, even as the trees all around show every sign of heat stress and sunburn, the fall colors more brown & rusty than brilliant.

    Sure a shit, some joker said to me: “Well, the weather can stay just like this until Christmas – and then warm up…” To which I replied: “That would be some SERIOUS climate change.” He was a bit taken aback, because you’re supposed to AGREE that nothing is more important than our precious short term desires and comforts, and who doesn’t want a day like this every day, even in February.

    I live in central Canada, btw, where foolish folk think global warming sounds just peachy – hey, maybe we could even GROW peaches up here, if the place warms up enough.

    Years ago I gave a rather long(winded)talk to a local environment group about the incompatibility between a stable climate (no longer even a remote possibility) and a ‘civilization’ based on growth, profit, extraction, exploitation, industry and its poisonous aftermath – the whole hideous business.

    As I was preparing the talk, I wanted to write that the ‘greenhouse effect’,which sounds kind of pleasant, could reasonably be re-termed the ‘gas chamber effect’. But I left that phrase out as being way-too-distressing and possibly painful to ears wanting to stayed tuned only to selective and limited aspects of reality.

    I’m a bit bolder these days and speak up in the moment – also still aware of wasting breath saying certain things to certain people. Later at the market, the heat-lover came over to me and said, “You’re not smiling; what’s the matter?”; to which I replied, “Nothing personal, but I hate that kind of shit, when people wish that winter would just go away.” And of course, he told me he was just kidding and really doesn’t mind winter. To which I felt like saying, “Who gives a flying fuck about what kind of weather you like or don’t. Open you’re damn eyes.” But I smiled and sweetly played ‘It’s a Wonderful World’.

    A dear old friend tells me I am getting curmudgeonly – a perk and prerogative of age – which is probably true, esp. since I used to be so good-natured and agreeable and nice – a non boat-rocker and wave-maker.

    I don’t like ‘It’s Not Warming: It’s Dying’. The ‘It’-part is so impersonal, so lifeless and cold. Ecocide is not about an It-object, but a vast and complex and beautiful and intricate and wonderfully balance LIVING BEING that is being killed right now, and now and now… And most are blind to the awful-ness and deaf to the silent anguish all around.

    No slogan is going help, so say what you like; and, while you’re at it, why not wish for winter to be a thing of the past – might just bloody happen.

    I’m so sorry this NBL site exists at all.

  • I observe that most people assume continuity is a given and death is regarded as a topic to be avoided. One is expected to greet each new day cheerfully and carry on with “positive energy,” and one is criticized for “negative thoughts.” This social norm extends to a broad range of human activity, including politics. A “well adjusted” person is supposed to be a “team player” who goes along with the consensus. Finding fault with the established order is considered disloyal and unpatriotic. A certain level of dishonesty is required in order to be accepted by society, and that includes acceding to the priorities of one’s “betters.” We now know what disastrous results those norms produce, yet we continue with even more stringent rules and punishments to assure conformity.

    The ethos of our civilization is to “accentuate the positive” while ignoring the negative. That is why Capitalism has been supremely successful — it ignores externalities. Technology and all its manifestations are now accepted as sacrosanct and unassailable. The “old ways” of doing things are frowned upon as passé, inefficient, onerous, and irrelevant because newer technology is so much easier and more fun. Of course, technology depends on a whole range of inputs that contribute to ecocide and human degradation, but that is ignored.

    Death has become practically a taboo subject. S/he “passed away” is a typical euphemism ostensibly used to ease the “shock” of death that everyone knows is inevitable. Grief is a natural reaction, certainly, but it generally applies to a person or pet we know. Most people don’t grieve for the “others” killed by war or famine or disease. They don’t grieve for the species driven to extinction. If they did, they would question their imperatives that caused the suffering, death and destruction.

    Anthropo-centrism and ego-centrism are the essential faults in human intelligence, and they are the reason for our downfall.


    Kiss Yer Fried Ass Sayonara
    Fat Ladies Of Feedback Loops Are Now Singing
    Yer All Up S**t Creek Without A Paddle

  • ‘his opinion that the message was much too gloomy’. My response used to be: “It will be if you don’t deal with it.” However, I don’t hear ‘That’s too gloomy’ so much these days, largely because I have given up talking to people about the things they need to think about. I now recognise the vast majority are not capable of thinking about such things. And I’ve given up ‘talking’ to central government and councils: they are totally corrupt and utterly inept.

    Global dying is too vague, and out of context suggests plague or some other health issue that causes a massive increase in the death rate.

    Climate cannot die, it can just become inhospitable for life as we know it.

    A decade of so ago TEOTWAWKI was popularised. But for some reason it seems to have fallen out of common usage despite being entirely appropriate. Increasingly appropriate.

    Many years ago I began using the terms ‘climate chaos’ and ‘climate instability’ to overcome the misconception that climate change would lead to balmy conditions that ‘everyone’ would enjoy.

    Nowadays I prefer to be quite specific and use phrases such as melting down the planet’, ‘destabilisation of climate systems’ and ‘disruption of the natural systems that make life as we know it possible’.

    Since industrial civilisation ruins everything we need, and since governments and corporations ruin everything we need, and since everything is being ruined at an ever faster pace, I suggest Global Ruination is an appropriate descriptor for the times.

    I still like the term eco-vandalism, which I used (coined?) 15 years ago.

  • @ lark Says:
    September 28th, 2014 at 10:30 am

    I’m so sorry this NBL site exists at all.”

    Being another “curmudgeon” and more misanthropic than not, I must ask…

    Why would you be “sorry” that this site exists?

  • Milton Glaser has come up with a visual for his “It’s not warming, it’s dying” idea.
    It’s not very interesting visually, in my opinion:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRE2Q8ucZc0

    Because the situation is irreversible, coming up with a logo is just another exercise in futility, unless, like me, you’d like for the guilty parties to actually Know what they have done, and at least suffer the burden of that knowledge like those of us here on this forum.
    So for that reason, I’m all for spreading the message and coming up with sound bites, logos, t shirts, and bumper stickers. I’m working on one myself, and will post it over on the forum soon. ;)

  • @lark
    I agree with what you said regarding some (many) Canadians thinking that global warming is going to be a good thing. I lived in the Yukon for many years, and each time that the winter weather was not as brutal as normal in that neck of the woods, many of the locals would say, “bring on global warming”, without evening considering what’s really happening on a larger scale. I wonder how many more years will go by before those northerners will realize that things are much worse than they imagine? Perhaps when they have to truck in more snow for the annual Yukon Quest dog race, they will finally put two and two together, but I wouldn’t bet on it.

  • ‘The Earth is not dying, it’s being killed. And the people who are killing it have names and addresses.’ -Utah Phillips

  • “Climate Crisis.” Short and … bitter.

  • http://www.naturalnews.com/047048_Ebola_vaccine_human_experimentation_World_Health_Organization.html

    Experimental Ebola vaccine to be injected into humans en masse beginning this January: WHO

    (NaturalNews) The United Nations isn’t letting a good crisis go to waste, having recently endorsed the use of untested, experimental Ebola vaccines being rushed to market as this is typed. Agence France-Presse reports that the vaccines, which are bypassing the normal testing and approval process, should be ready in bulk by early 2015 for use in West Africa.

    Two vaccines in particular, one manufactured by British drug giant GlaxoSmithKline (GSK) and the other by U.S.-based NewLink Genetics, are being accelerated through clinical trials, according to World Health Organization (WHO) Assistant Director General Marie-Paule Kieny. If all goes as planned, the jabs will be available to health workers as early as November.

    “If everything goes well, we may be able to begin using some of these vaccines in some of the affected countries at the very beginning of next year,” stated Kieny to the media.

    [This is some scary news – I mean if it’s an untested product and the patient dies the manufacturer could always claim that the patient was too far gone or whatever and if the patient lives it may be entirely DESPITE the drug, or even the placebo effect – they can’t lose and it’s guaranteed money on a false promise!]

  • I don’t use the terms ”climate change’ or ‘global warming’ for the reasons already discussed.
    Paul Ehrlich wrote an article on this topic several years ago.He suggested that the term”climate disruption’ more accurately conveyed the effects of rapidly increasing CO2.
    That made sense to me,and I have used that term since then.
    The sixth mass extinction of life on Earth is currently underway and increasing,so it is accurate and appropriate to use either ‘Global dying’or Kevin’s suggestion ‘,Global ruination’,as well as ‘Climate disruption’.
    The best term for us? Maybe the ‘Human Cataclysm.’

  • Paul & Lark

    I live in Vancouver and I rarely if ever hear anyone bring up any of our problems. When it does happen it is always someone who is considered lower on the socioeconomic ladder. All the university educated people in my family can’t stop talking about food and stupid fucking chefs. I only get invited to Christmas and the kids birthdays now, cause I’m “so negative”. Canada has become corporate captured as much as anywhere in the whole world. The country is full of cowards, no longer has a soul and only exists to extract and consume. NHL and Tim Horton’s are Canadian Culture. It will be no great loss.

  • I watched the youtube link about Mr. Glaser’s button campaign. His hope is that within a month, half the population of the world will be wearing a button and as result “something will happen”, and “that even the politicians will respond”. Well I wish him all the best in his effort. Do I think it will make a difference? NO. Do I think that the politicians will get involved? ABSOLUTELY NOT (unless they can see votes in it). However, as Guy says, “do what you love” and perhaps, this is Mr. Glaser’s attempt.
    In the meantime, I’ll continue to eliminate the hopium, and instead focus on acceptance of NTHE, while I appreciate the precious moments that are available. And that’s my two posts for today.

  • “I watched the youtube link about Mr. Glaser’s button campaign. His hope is that within a month, half the population of the world will be wearing a button and as result “something will happen”, and “that even the politicians will respond”.”

    He’ll have to pin a button on the Methane Monster or else all his male bovine faecal material will count for nought.

  • Apparently there is a bumper sticker (WTF?) that reads “There is no Planet B.”

    Hey Apneaman, are you the one requesting the same books as me at BPL? Any chance you’d like to get together for commiseration and general bitching? I’m pretty much at the curmudgeon stage myself, but I guess I always was.

  • The “grudging acceptance” form of denial is acknowledging global warming but claiming it’s not anthropogenic so there’s really nothing we can do about it. For many of the “faithful” in the U.S., it’s the blind belief in apocalyptic philosophy of “God’s Will” and abdication of human responsibility. To them, science is purely a human construct and therefore lacks authority. Another similar fallacy (excluding the deity) is that nature is all-powerful and human impacts on the environment are negligible. I think those are the main delusions that have kept us in this downward spiral. Climate disruption is the outward symptom of a collective failure of reasoning, an entrenchment of thought and behavior; so if there is to be a slogan, it should characterize that.

  • http://dutchsinse.tatoott1009.com/9282014-freak-tsunami-like-storm-surge-waves-hit-the-coast-of-turkey-black-sea/

    9/28/2014 — Freak Tsunami like ‘storm surge’ waves hit the coast of Turkey — Black Sea

    A strong unexpected storm surge hit the shores of Turkey, along the Black Sea.

    More like a tsunami, the elevated ocean can be see going off to the horizon. Waves taking out everything in their path.


    For the first time in modern history, the eastern basin of the South Aral Sea has gone completely dry, as this NASA satellite image captured in late August shows. The Aral Sea is an inland body of water lying between Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan in central Asia. It was once one of the four largest lakes in the world, but it has been shrinking markedly and dividing into smaller lobes since the 1960s, after the government of the former Soviet Union diverted the region’s two major rivers to irrigate farmland. One Aral Sea researcher suggested that it has likely been at least 600 years since the eastern basin entirely disappeared. Decreasing precipitation and snowpack in its watershed led to the drying this year, and huge withdrawals for irrigation exacerbated the problem. Water levels are expected to continue to show major year-to-year variations depending on precipitation and snowpack levels, the researcher said.

  • [it’s all about water today]

    food shortages on the way


    SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — With harvest time across California, many of the state’s once-robust crops — from the grapes that make world-famous wines to popular almonds — are anticipated to be smaller than usual this year due to the state’s historic drought.

    The water shortage has also led to shrinking orange and pistachio crops as well, the Sacramento Bee (http://bit.ly/1qL29ZT) reported Sunday. Farmers in rural California are expected to feel the effect as an estimated 420,000 acres of farmland, or about 5 percent of the total, has gone unplanted this year, according to the newspaper.

    Also, economists at the University of California, Davis said that agriculture, once a $44 billion annual business in California, will suffer a financial hit of $2.2 billion due to revenue losses and higher water costs.

    Another important crop affected by the drought is rice, which is served in restaurants across the country and exported to Asia. About 140,000 acres, roughly one-fourth of California’s rice fields went fallow this year, according to the California Rice Commission. [there’s more]


    [short video of damage]

  • Any slogan including the idea of “It’s not warming…” is absolutely stooooopid.

    No way.

    These issues are just too complex for the average, narcissistic, corporatized, growth-at-all-costs, me-generation moron to understand. Witness all the confusion about “Global Warming” vs “Climate Change”, and the alleged conspiracy behind the deceptive or nefarious name change and obvious dodge because (as we all know, of course) “the Earth has not warmed since”…

    Maybe something much more direct, like “Climate Change Kills”, or “Climate Chaos = Human Extinction” or something to really get conversations going.

    Now WHY we want to get conversations going is a whole ‘nuther question, for which I have no great answer.

  • @Colin

    I’m sorry this site exists because (of course) I wish with all my heart that humanity and our ‘civilization’ wasn’t killing – with great ease and speed and little compunction – everything in sight.

    But since it/we are, I’m heartened to have some fellow witnesses and grievers at the slaughter.

  • @ ulvfugl

    Yes, with our total knowledge growing exponentially, doubling about every four or five years, Six Degrees is dated. I thought that many times as I read it: how things have changed since 2008, the changes for the most part confirming most of the evidence that Lynas wrote about, and that evidence a good bit older than the publication date of the book. I have learned a little about him and I understand that he wrote a newer book, The God Species: Saving the Planet in the Age of Humans, which, from the description, I have no interest in reading. I see what you mean about his having “sold out”, now supporting nuclear power and GMOs, though “succumbing to human supremacist magical thinking” may (or may not) describe his more recent motives better. Despite his more recent nonsense and its dated nature, I still consider Six Degrees well worth reading. Thanks!

  • For a slogan how about
    “Visualize a Dead Planet Motherfuckers!”

    There is a bumper sticker out there, that you can put on hummers and the like that says
    “I’m Busy Changing the Climate”
    with a burning planet in the background. They have a special hard to remove adhesive. Good to keep a few of those on hand.

    Regarding selling out and supporting GMO’s, I attended a lecture by Harvard biologist E. O. Wilson a few years ago and was surprised to hear him supporting the use of GMO’s. I guess it shouldn’t have been a surprise… follow the money and see where his funding is coming from. Still it was a disappointment, being a lover of ants all my life, I expected better of him.

  • Interestingly nobody has called it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-harm yet. We could have an orange ribbon of self-harm awareness instead of that dark green blob – what a happy color this orange is. I’m always wondering whether it is the fact that we can jump into the air that gives us this feeling of separateness from the world or whether something else is involved.

    My new found favorite is “global fireworks display”, since our global civilization has to be the most complex arrangement yet nature has come up with in terms of gradient destruction. Also it is similarly short lived, glittering, and messy afterwards. In line with that goes a local habit of having a fireworks display about every summer weekend. This reminds me of some other sensual delights people were indulging in during the apex of their empires like cooking and declaring chefs celebrities:

    In have no clue what that video was he linked to but the article explains what I heard before elsewhere.


  • Watching a 2006 German feature film about the fire-bombing of Dresden in 1945


    Nothing tells people “you’ve gone too far” like getting the shit bombed out of you. Short of that, however — and even after a considerable battering — it seems endless war (as in IndCiv’s War on Nature) still remains the default choice — humans are pretty perversely persistent in going the WRONG WAY. (Think John Candy’s “You’re GOING THE WRONG WAY!”)

    Don’t expect this bunch to catch on any sooner than the civilian Germans going about their daily lives and pleasantries prior to their dying in mass numbers in that time, so similar to now.

  • Robin Datta’s ‘KYFAS FLOFLANS YAUSCWAP’ really has a nice ring to it. Guy McPherson has already coined ‘YODO’, You Only Die Once’, (as opposed to YOLO, You Only Live Once), so when that happens, I will RIP, Rot In Place.

    Seriously, though, we are in the culture of branding, logos, slogans and icons but, no matter how catchy, nothing will get through to everyone, and the deniers are still arguing over whether God christened it Global Warming or Climate Change, so I mostly avoid those terms and go with CC, Climate Chaos, or WW, Weather Whiplash, making sure to mention the JS, Jet Stream, and it’s apparent malaise when talking to the uninitiated.

    Personally, I’ve started an air conservation program called BYOO, Bring Your Own Oxygen, the point being EBC, Every Breath Counts.

  • If we can’t save the planet, then scare the shit out everybody! I want my bumper sticker to say: EAT THE DENIERS FIRST


    Jimbot that is not me at the BPL. I’m in Surrey. Ask Guy to send me your email and we can try to arrange something.

    Hey, kt256
    I have that video for ya. It’s not too bad. Just a little to hopey at the end. I picked up on that chef’s comment when I watched the video after it came out, but have yet to find a specific reference to any ancient chefs. I would like names and/or sources if anyone knows.

  • @ lark Says:
    September 29th, 2014 at 11:22 am

    Thank you. I had a hunch that that is what you meant and “I understand what you are saying!” Moreover, I concur with your sentiment.

  • Y’all may have seen this from a year ago. No matter, it is even more scary this year…

    “Last Hours” describes a science-based climate scenario where a tipping point to runaway climate change is triggered by massive releases of frozen methane. Methane, a powerful greenhouse gas, has already started to percolate into the open seas and atmosphere from methane hydrate deposits beneath melting arctic ice, from the warming northern-hemisphere tundra, and from worldwide continental-shelf undersea methane clathrate pools.


  • Maybe too much for a t-shirt or button

    You can shelter your
    assets from the IRS
    The Jet Stream 1040
    has no loopholes
    no exemptions
    no extensions
    no exceptions
    The short form might be


    Long distance runner what you standing there for?
    Get up, get off, get out of the door
    You’re playing cold music on the bar room floor,
    drowned in your laughter and dead to the core
    There’s a dragon with matches loose on the town
    Take a whole pail of water just to cool him down

    Fire – Fire On the Mountain
    Fire – Fire on the mountain

    Almost aflame still you don’t feel the heat
    Takes all you got just to stay on the beat
    You say it’s a living, we all gotta eat
    but you’re here alone there’s no one to compete
    If mercy’s in business I wish it for you
    More than just ashes when your dreams come true

    Fire – Fire on the mountain
    Fire – Fire on the mountain

    Long distance runner what you holdin out for?
    Caught in slow motion in your dash to the door
    The flame from your stage has now spread to the floor
    You gave all you got, why you wanta give more?
    The more that you give, why, the more it will take
    to the thin line beyond which you really cannot fake

    There’s a fire
    Fire on the mountain

  • @ Badlands, thanks !

    @ Bud, thanks. I skimmed through my bookmarks for the updated version someone made, but no luck.

    These are the kind of people who have control of the power and the money, they do not care about the science, or slogans, or anything that we argue about amongst ourselves..


  • http://www.dailyimpact.net/2014/09/29/i-hear-america-rotting/#more-2428

    I Hear America Rotting

    We’ve been sitting around listening to the country rot. Here is what we’ve heard in the past few weeks:

    1. Water Soluble Water Mains. On Friday, a water main break in Hollywood, California, sent nearly 10,000 gallons of water a minute gushing down Sunset Boulevard, one of the city’s main thoroughfares. The 36-inch steel pipe was installed 98 years ago, and 57 years ago, in a cheapskate attempt to extend its life, it was lined with cement. Just two months ago, on the same street, a water-main rupture turned to swamp a large section of the campus of the University of California. For LA, just a day in the life: the city has three breaks a day in its 7,000 miles of aged water mains. The whole country — most of whose water mains were built a century ago — experiences roughly 660 breaks a day.

    And what is not breaking is leaking. Houston Texas, for example, estimates it is losing one quarter of its treated, potable water to hidden leaks from old pipe.

    But LA is the poster child for America the Rotten; its sidewalks are buckling, its streets are pot-holed, its storm drains overwhelmed and the system that brings fresh water to the city needs $4 billion in maintenance. Increase the sales tax? Off the table. Increase the water rates? Not possible. And the breaks go on.

    2. Rotting Roads. The video of an interstate-highway bridge in Minneapolis collapsing during rush hour, killing 13 people and injuring 145, electrified the nation in 2007 — for about two news cycles. Then it was back onto the patio to listen to the roads rot. Since then, a buckling Interstate bridge near Seattle, a dangerously deteriorated Champlain Bridge between upstate New York and Vermont, and a suddenly tilting Interstate 95 bypass around Wilmington Delaware have done their best to drive home the point that the 60-year-old Interstate Highway system (for the most part, the best highways in the country) is at the end of its lifespan, is carrying far more traffic than it was built for, and is not being repaired, let alone being replaced as needed.

    3. Leaking Levees. A report just out from the American Society of Civil Engineers says that in the aftermath of Hurricanes Katrina and Sandy, the nation has failed to assess, let alone prepare for, the threat posed by floodwaters in an era of rising water and intensifying storms.

    “We do not have a sound analysis of the potential risk to the nation from flooding,” the report said. Congress authorized a national flood vulnerability assessment in 2007, but has provided no money for it. “We are operating in the dark as we continue to underfund our flood risk mapping program,” the report said. “The public at large and many public officials clearly do not understand the risk we face.” It said much of the nation’s flood infrastructure, mostly levees, “remains in marginal condition and there is no realistic plan in place to deal with or improve these conditions.”

    “The question is.” says one of the report’s authors, “why aren’t more people listening to what’s been said about flood risk in report after report after report?”

    Well, they are otherwise engaged. Sitting on their patios, listening to the country rot.

    [check out the 2 comments too]


    Paul Beckwith on climate change

    Climate change tipping point tree analogy

    When you cut through a tree nothing seems to happen. Then, inevitably you reach a point where the tree starts to fall, and then a loud cracking and toppling occurs, irreversibly, to a new state. I view our climate system as analogous to this, and we are now rapidly cutting through the wood.

    [three short videos]

    METHANE “Single BIGGEST Concern” – Paul Beckwith

    [this fourth short video follows the other three]

  • Why isn’t re-investment being done? An old, unproductive cow is just a useless eater. Milk her out. You know the rest of the story.

  • To continue the tree analogy, he implies that we should stop cutting into the tree. The tree will still die if we were to somehow stop the cutting. It’s too late. It’s been cut too far.

    One more thing; his saw is too small for the job. A loud, high power chain saw would be a better analogy.

  • Tom

    Thanks for the steady stream of educational information. Thanks to Guy (and Beckwith) for making me and others among the general public understand the methane threat. I “like” the tree analogy. Absolutely terrifying.

    The infrastructure rot is different. A Band-Aid solution for one pipe or one bridge at a time obviously doesn’t work. A comprehensive, national (New Deal-type) plan would be better. That would no doubt include abandoning parts of the infrastructure that can be substituted for by decentralizes or off-grid infrastructure. Some people are in favor of demolishing dams, for instance.

    I like to state what seems obvious to me. Whether or not anyone listens is none of my business.

  • Guy Comes to California!

    We give a big hello to Guy,
    But also start saying goodbye:
    We ain’t gonna lie,
    The end is now nigh,
    And soon we’re all going to die.

  • I’ve posted a new essay. Please scroll to the bottom for radio and television bits. Catch it here.

  • @apneaman

    I found a possible source of information or starting point even though it is about food supply:

    I would expect it to provide sources that might describe glutony as well. The other direction would be the many pieces of literature that describe the rise and fall of the roman empire.