California Excursion

My work is mentioned periodically and favorably and during Dahr Jamail’s 19 November 2014 interview with Thom Hartmann. It’s embedded below.

19 November 2014, radio interview embedded below

21 November 2014 letter to the editor in the wake of my presentation: Butte College speaker on climate change inspiring

22 November 2014 video interview embedded below

On the topic of California, Hollywood is catching up with reality. The latest episode of HBO’s The Newsroom channels me. Catch a snippet here.

Podcast for the 25 November 2014 episode of Nature Bats Last on the radio is archived here

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Tonight’s show features an interview with sociologist Mimi Riley. Dr. Riley teaches at Butte College in Chico, California. She has made radical life changes in light of near-term human extinction.

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  • Just for fun, why not let everyone see some of the more memorable emails from your detractors?

  • you know, that would be fun, actually. Just for shits, grins, and giggles, let us as your “death cult members” have at them, sure beats selling flowers at an airport in a robe like you usually make us do. :p

  • “Bloody awful.”

    With regard to the climate “situation” when the question is asked, I am remided of Lawrence of Arabia:

    Lawrence (of Arabia): I have been seconded to the Arab Bureau.
    (Colonoel) Brighton: Oh. What are you to do for the Arab Bureau?
    Lawrence: It’s rather vague sir. I’m to ‘appreciate’ the situation.
    Brighton: Well, that won’t be difficult. The situation’s bloody awful.

    This is where to listen to PRN live (streaming) online podcasts includig Nature Bats Last, Lifeboat Hour (Carolyn Baker’s) and Resistance Radio PRN (Derrick Jensen’s).

  • Christine McVie – Easy Come, Easy Go

    Just love Christine McVie.

    Oh yeah!

    Hey Guy!

    Make friends with the life forms. It’s fun! 😀

  • Guy,

    I propose that, the next time you are questioned in any way vis-à-vis “living” vs. “dead” planet, a good first response would be to laugh in that person’s face with as much gusto and mirth as you can muster for more than a few seconds. If that does not repel the assailant or they repeat the query, then a good 2nd reply would be to say, “Oh, you’re serious! Are you fucking insane, huffing too much paint thinner or just being an asshole?” If that still does not remove them from your vicinity, take out a pocket-sized notebook and pen/pencil, prepare to write and ask them as sternly and seriously as you can for their FULL name, addresses (street & email), and as many other bits of personal info you choose, be sure to at least appear that you are writing it all down, and as you finish, tell them that “Officials WILL be contacting you shortly.” (Be sure to emphatically enunciate the 1st verb.) Then turn around and walk away ignoring any other overture they may express.

    @ Amy Pike Says:
    November 25th, 2014 at 5:14 pm

    That’s funny!! 🙂 BTW, I’ve run out of flowers, can you loan me some?

  • Cod fishing shut down in large area of Gulf of Main
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/cod-fishing-shut-down-in-large-area-of-gulf-of-maine-1.2833264

    …scientists did an unscheduled assessment of cod stocks in the Gulf and Maine this summer. “They found that the stock was continuing to plummet,” he said. “Cod is in big trouble.”

    …cod fishing had already been cut by 75 per cent, but the numbers show stocks are sitting at just three to four percent of their historic level.

    No fish and chips? No Captain D’s? Ho hum.

  • From another blog discussing how Hollywood is catching up with reality and the latest episode of HBO’s The Newsroom:

    “My father is a senior government scientist in Canada working on climate change response. This is his opinion, and that of most of his colleagues, but is not unanimous.”

    Reply: “To be clear, his opinion is that we are fucked? Is there any specific information you can give us in regards to his specialization, projects he has worked on, etc?”

    Response: “I can’t be too specific because I don’t want to reveal his identity as he is worried about retribution and the government has muzzled scientists in this country.

    He is not a climatologist, but is a senior government scientist from different but related field. He headed up one department (his field) as part of Canada’s Kyoto team, before Canada withdrew from Kyoto. So he was working on more practical measures for reducing emissions and measuring carbon-sinks in Canada.

    He is quite convinced, as are most of his colleagues, that it is too late to stop anthropogenic climate change. We’ve passed too many tipping points, and there are now natural self-reinforcing feedback loops driving the process. Like the methane plumes being released from arctic permafrost, for example. It appears more and more, that humans didn’t have to be the fuel for climate change, we just had to be the spark. And we’ve done that.

    As I said, this is not unanimous. Some disagree.

    There is certainly an understanding that they can’t say this in public for fear of completely destroying the political will to try to do something. And the folks who believe it is already too late are quite aware that this is opinion and still up for debate. So they correctly see that it is too soon to throw in the towel.

    But to put it another way, ten years ago he was urging me to get active in the environmental movement to help save the planet. Today if I ask him what I should do about climate change he says, ‘Buy land on higher ground and invest in companies that build dikes.'”

  • Automobiles on fire in Ferguson.

  • FWIW, i have beeb watching re Ferguson, only saw one car burning, a cop car.

    Regarding “The latest episode of HBO’s The Newsroom channels me. Catch a snippet here.”

    Some of the responses are quite revealing, the warming denial brigade is out in force. Again reminds me of what i saw at the Guns and Butter page of KPFA re the show featuring Ben Davidson, who claimed there is no warming. More than a few people put it in terms of global warming being disinformation put out by “the man” in order to impose more controls on poor and working people.

  • Hi guys, and Guy. Incase you haven’t seen this series of videos yet, it basically looks at climate change and the media, incredible and insightful, that completely discredits the denial machine we are all up against.

    Regards, Christian.

  • Jeff: I’ve been reading the ‘earth changes’ section of Signs of the Times (sott.net) where a certain Dr. Sircus (turns out he’s a doctor of oriental medicine and acupuncture) has been turning out articles declaring that the planet is headed for a new ice age, despite the copious evidence I provide to the contrary. Some of the commentariat have declared ME a troll! One aspect of our U.S. population that many have pointed out here is evident in spades there – complete ignorance and living in a fictional reality. People don’t want to have to change anything or even think. I’ve since stopped replying to his nonsense articles because “ya can’t fix stupid.” What gets me is how this clown gets away with posting this disinformation! I thought the site was at least accurate (and I assumed unbiased, but it appears i’m incorrect about that). He’s possibly worse than Scott Johnson, because he won’t even reply to my evidence and requests for sources from him.

    Here’s a good read from Vice (linked from Desdemona Despair):

    http://www.vice.com/video/toxic-garbage-island-1-of-3

    [begins]

    Oh, This is Great

    Humans Have Finally Ruined the Ocean

    I’m not one of those guys who corners folks at parties to rant at them about biodiesel or calls people “fucking idiots” for being skeptical about global warming. But I should also point out that I’m not one of those Andrew Dice Clay “Fuck the whales” types either.

    The problem with all the bravado on both sides of the ecology debate is that nobody really knows what they’re talking about. Trying to form opinions on climate change, overpopulation, and peak oil hinges on ginormous leaps of faith based around tiny statistical deviances that even the scientists studying them have a hard time understanding. It gets so convoluted with all the yelling and the politics that sometimes you just want something huge and incontrovertibly awful to come along for everybody to agree on. Something you can show anyone a picture of and go, “See? We’re fucked.”

    Well, I have just such a thing. There is a Texas-size section of the Pacific Ocean that is irretrievably clogged with garbage and it will never go away. And I have seen it with my own eyes. Case closed. Oh, you want to hear more? OK, fine. [read the rest]

  • California excursion, nicely done. Very good resposes. It is hard to relize your world is fucked and you will die violently and prematurily and everything you ever cared about will be destroyed. Denial and hopium are the most popular tonics. The psychological toll can be great, just saw Paul Beckwiths latest video, he is sitting on the floor holding a cat and tossing kitty nibbles to a couple of other cats talking about abrupt climate change being under way. Haven’t seen behavior like that since I was on the psych ward at the VA. McPherson’s message is a good one, probably the only one, do what you love while you can, the end is nigh.

    McPherson should recieve the Nobel Peace prize, Obama should recieve a dump truck load of pig shit………

  • lmao I can see how Paul Beckwith’s latest video would give the impression of his imminent mental disintegration, but the reason he gave a few months ago for including cats is that he hopes it’ll make the videos more popular.

    And here’s another request for the hate mail to be published and then dissected by a psychologist or psychiatrist.

  • Why is there no download link on the Soundcloud podcast? It’s just a setting you can enable…

  • Drones discover serious threats to Greenland’s ice cap
    http://sciencenordic.com/drones-discover-serious-threats-greenlands-ice-cap

    “The Arctic is warming up twice as fast as the Subarctic, and we think it may be due to the dark ice that absorbs the sun’s rays rather than reflecting them as white ice would. Therefore, it is important that we get a better understanding of the significance of the dark ice,” says Box.

    Exponential Bitchez

  • Brazil water shortage: Drought escalates country’s water crisis

    The economic heart of Brazil is running out of water. Reservoirs in the regions are reaching record lows and, in some areas of the city, taps are dry for part of the day.

    First climate change mass migration!?!

  • .
    yes, we can dismantle the toxic infrastructure of industrial civilization, decommission all nuclear power plants, safely dispose of all nuclear weapons, and enforce world-wide birth control… Yes, we can.
    .
    …plant no crops, build no cities…
    .
    …kill nothing, live only on that which falls from the trees, sleep on the ground, drink from the river…

    …a breakdown of society could arise from rapid global population growth and unsustainable resource exploitation.
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    Just ridin’ on this runaway train, staring out the window, with a cat on my lap.
    .

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    The Voluntary Extinction Movement
    Thou shalt not procreate.
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    The Church of Euthanasia
    Save the planet, kill yourself.
    ,

  • Getting the hope beaten out of you isn’t pleasant. Like a rough amputation of the last aspect that made future orientation sensible. Without sweet anesthesia. Hope lays bleeding, butchered by data. Collation paints ominous trends. Unmistakable patterns emerge. Mind-blowing J curves projecting unimaginable scenarios. All based on hard data. Evidence harder than a cannon ball. The mind recoils with every salvo, as each fresh sprout of hope is blasted, till every seed goes. Till the sublime verdancy of the landscape vaporizes. That’s extinction… when the seeds are dead. No seeds? No Gardens. No bluebirds.

    When the last human seed dies with the last humans, this dream dies. The suffering night is nearly over. Dam data, hard honest innocent objective data, you terminated the dream. Not just arrogant American dreams, but every dream, every faint hope. Assassin. Eh, whatever, you were only doing your job. Now I’m anxious and sleepless on a harsh dawn, as the last, the harshest dawn, steadily approaches. Unprecedented. Our whole world never died before. There is no established protocol. We’re at our wit’s end.

    We’ve been told to look outwards when sadness becomes suffocating. For inspiration and good cheer. Change the focus. Engage. A heavily promoted practice. It got hard to breathe through the sadness, so I gave the world a go. Years spent looking around and poking around and getting poked, and eventually I had to admit that things are sad outside too. Although habitually popular and revered – there lays hope bleeding upon her pedestal, data’s cleaver dripping red. Pop psychology looks listless too. Once upon a time looking outwards could shoo away the blues… when life was tenacious. The perspective cure for sadness is broken in a hopeless world.

    All expectations hollowed out. Like a termite eaten house, only an appearance of solidity remains. Data beat me to a hopeless specter but if I were an unfeeling camera I’d be doing this badly. Witnessing through the heart has always been sacred, now it is the last act. So in grave silence let us bear the heavy burden of witness and bid adieu to the species who died today. Amen. Appropriate for every sunset till the last day. Then shed your earthly manifestation and humbly greet the infinite dreamless night.

  • And if we don’t decommission all nuclear power plants…

  • ► 40 years ago they told me my cereal box was more nutritious than my cereal.
    ► Now they put the cardboard right into my cereal and say it’s better than the box.
    ► 40 years ago they told me we would safely bury radioactive nuclear waste.
    ► Now they tell me we dig up the radioactive waste Thorium for hi-tech energy.
    ► 40 years ago they told me to dream of the future.
    ► Now they tell me to dream of the past.
    ► 40 years ago they told me to not go gently into that night.
    ► Now they tell me they will send me gently into that night.

  • Climatic Implications of Arctic Sea Ice Retreat – Peter Wadhams – Nov 2014

    http://arcticcircle.org/video-2014
    (No direct link, but it is the left-side video on third row.)

    1. Ice measurements a combination of US and British submarine ice thickness combined with satellite area data provides total ice volume up to the year 2011.

    2. Arctic ice retreat DATA (not model) continues at exponential rate.

    3. Summer sea ice will disappear ‘very soon’ within the next 2 years, 3 years, or maybe 4 years. Surely by 2020. Curve fit of the data suggests 2017.

    4. After the summer sea ice event (Sep 2017), the Arctic will be free of sea ice for longer periods in succeeding years.

    5. Ice retreat means reduction in global albedo effectively adds 25% CO2e to current CO2 load.

    6. Snow line retreat of 6 million square km which equals or exceeds sea ice loss induced reduction in global albedo adding another ??% CO2e to
    current CO2 load.

    7. Warmer Arctic air mass accelerating rate of Greenland ice sheet melt. The impact of more volume and warming ocean expansion to raise sea level to the 1m mark back from the distant future to 2050.

    8. Current methane release from shallow Siberian arctic shelf suggests 50 gigatons into the atmosphere which would increase the Earth’s temperature somewhere between 0.2 to 2.5 degrees C by 2030.

    Ho Hum.

  • 1st non-major snow event of the year (and it’s not even winter yet) – no internet, phone or tv – we got about 3″ of slush.

    http://www.desdemonadespair.net/2014/11/what-happened-to-oil-from-deepwater.html

    What happened to the oil from the Deepwater Horizon disaster? ‘Oil trapped in the deep ocean from this event fell to the seafloor, like a light mist settling over approximately 3,200 square kilometers’

    [quote and ironically named chemical]

    The team detected the chemical hopane from cores across an area of nearly 3,200 square kilometers. “Hopane is just one of the many compounds in oil from the Macondo well,” biologist Sarah Bagby, a member of Valentine’s team, told mongabay.com. Since it degrades slowly, it is a useful indicator of oil contamination, she added. “This is the first time [scientists] showed that liquid oil or its byproducts settled on the seafloor,” environmental engineer Scott Socolofsky of Texas A&M University, who was not a member of Valentine’s team, told mongabay.com. [read the report]

    some of our commenters may appreciate this graph:

    http://www.desdemonadespair.net/2014/11/graph-of-day-relative-competencies-of.html

    [the point of the article becomes moot in light of NTHE]

  • Another substantial drop in oil prices:

    Crude Oil (WTI) USD/bbl. 69.46 -4.23 -5.74% Jan 15
    Crude Oil (Brent) USD/bbl. 73.14 -4.61 -5.93% Jan 15

    ‘At $70/barrel, the US Shale industry “does not work”…’

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-27/wti-crude-crashes-below-70-first-time-june-2010

  • http://www.resilience.org/stories/2014-11-26/six-myths-about-climate-change-that-liberals-rarely-question
    Six Myths About Climate Change that Liberals Rarely Question, Erik Lindberg, 11/26/14, posted originally at Transition Milwaukee, same date.Lots of charts.

    Myth #1: Liberals Are Not In Denial While the various aspects of liberal denial are my main overall topic, here, and will be addressed in our following five sections, they add up to the belief that we can avoid the most catastrophic levels of climate disruption without changing our fundamental way of life. This is myth is based on errors that are as profound and basic as the conservative denial of climate change itself……..
    Myth #2: Republicans are Still More to Blame………
    Myth #3: Renewable Energy Can Replace Fossil Fuels…..
    {This part is worked out in detail, it’s the article’s centerpiece. The essence:]
    The truth is far more inconvenient than this: it will be all but impossible for our current level of consumption to be powered by anything but fossil fuels
    yth 4: The Coming “Knowledge Economy” Will be a Low-Energy Economy
    [Quotes from Peter Drucker, “knowledge economy” myth booster since the 1980s and Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg. Also worked out in detail
    Myth 5: We can Reverse Global Warming Without Changing our Current Lifestyles…….
    Myth 6: There is Nothing I Can Do.
    The problem is daunting; making changes can be difficult.[vii] But not only can you do something, you can’t not do anything. Either you will continue to buy, use, and consume as if there is no tomorrow; or you will make substantial changes to the way you live. Both choices are “doing something.”

    My comment:Well, not fully a “myth.” It may well be too late to do anything, given the rate and scale of climate change already baked into the situation by past emissions as well as inevitable near-future ones. And there is nothing anyone can do INDIVIDUALLY. Only social action can really do anything, if on the scale of a global revolutionary dismantling of capital on an all-out economic collapse.
    Overall, a good piece, a good antidote to one by Ugo Bardi from a few days ago claiming that scarce raw materials are NOT critical to renewables. lindberg’s article drew lots of indignant comments by “liberals” who insist the problem is not lifestyles, but Republicans, and that renewables are unfairly slammed.
    And a good adjunct to this,
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/11/21/renewable_energy_simply_wont_work_google_renewables_engineers/
    Renewable energy ‘simply WON’T WORK’: Top Google engineers, Lewis Page, 11/21/14.
    (The author is a global warming denier and a nuke booster, but this takes nothing away from what the two Google engineers, both Stanford PhDs, have determined.

  • Re: video Hartmann/Jamal: Sad to watch liberals still guilt-tripping themselves at this late date over whether they ride a bicycle or not (compulsive holier-than-them handwashing in search for absolution) when it should be a banana up their NEIGHBORS’ tailpipes (and a watermelon down their chimneys) and a barrage of roofing nails at the exit to the condo complex. Nothing less.

    What will they tell their grandchildren? I blah-blah-blabbed to a bunch of other lib’rals who blah-blah-blahhhed on ad nauseam, right through to the end.

    They (secretly or not so) hate Guy because he reads their inaction correctly, and calls it out.

  • Wow! HBO’s writers nailed it (Newsroom) — not hard, given Guy’s laid it all out here, to be picked up by any not yet brain-dead.

    Question remaining: When does the stampede begin? Too late to begin an ark when the first raindrops fall.

  • “Then shed your earthly manifestation and humbly greet the infinite dreamless night.”

    The earthly manifestation is no more ours than a bucket of water belongs to the sun’s reflection in it. Kicking the bucket does not extinguish the sun nor the rays that formerly reflected off the water in the bucket.

    Sunlight is perceived only when it enters the eye, directly or by bouncing off something. Every night there is plenty of sunshine streaming past the earth, but the skies remain dark.

    The “infinite darkness of night” is indeed infinite and dark, bereft of all descriptors, as sunlight is without colour or form, yet capable of assuming any and all colours and forms. The Void that is Plenitude.

    “Now they tell me we dig up the radioactive waste Thorium for hi-tech energy.”

    The enormous energy is squeezed and packaged into large atoms by implosive forces in the centres of bygone supernovae. Breaking the atoms releases some of that energy, but also leaves the broken fragments – new atoms – that release some more of that energy in devious and deadly ways. On the timescales of stars, the toxic stuff clears up quite fast. That’s why life exists on earth. But on human timescales it might as well be forever.

    And yet we have to be thankful to those former stars and supernovae for all the atoms in our bodies that are bigger than helium. Upto iron, fusion is ectothermic ad it could proceed in stars; beyond iron, fusion io produce the bigger atoms including those essential to life is enothermic and occurs with the massive forces squeezing the cores of supernovae.

  • Just in case anyone is getting their hopes up for a reduction in the relentless fracking going on in the u.s., now that the price of oil is way below price of production…. Forget it. Domestic oil production companies are subsidized by the .gov by many billions of us$ each year; on top of deductions for over 70% of drilling expenses and depreciation expense of 27% off the top. Bottom line, forget it… it is rigged beyond imagination. The question now is who benefit$ from the oil glut and OPEC maintaining production levels?

    Happy harvest to all of you.

    The Pines “Pray Tell”:

    ~

  • Wren Says:
    November 27th, 2014 at 4:47 pm

    (/snark on)
    But, but, but, you are insulting and debasing the vainglorious few to whom you and the rest of “us” owe our very existence and sorry excuse of self-worth. Should we all not prostrate ourselves before their little piggies and take succor from the bounteous fruits contained therein?
    (/snark off)

    Wren, your comments are, indubitably, admirable. 🙂

  • Sorry. Coming from where I come from, republicans are to blame. Period. Giving them space by equating w democrats helps little. Not to say dems are not fully complicit con artists and dessrve blame themselves. But dems are not the friggin Klan in suits and ties, which is the situation where I came from. Yes dems are awful and suck sooooo bad, but the first thing I am going to do when I get to hell is tear a bunch of eyeballs out of their sockets, and not the democrats’.

    Over 150billion withdrawn last week from large banks to lend to their friends to aquire the troubled fracking companies, among many other companies troubled by strong us dollar. Psych out.

    And Fyi, every day I drive to work on my bike surrounded by tragic lunatics. Paul Beckwith is probably the least mental, most conservatie people I know.

    I do not give a dam about jevans paradox. I ride my bike, eat veg, dont fly and twist the knife in the fasci gut because it is the right thing to do. Let others rationalize their atrocities, I wont.

  • Cleaning up this mess will be good for Australian employment and GDP.

    ‘The worst hail storm to hit Brisbane in a generation has been declared a catastrophe by insurers and prompted the Queensland government to call in the military to help clean up the damage.

    Residents left counting the costs had already begun work in darkness overnight.

    The half-hour squall on Thursday afternoon – dumping up to 70mm of rain and hail as big as tennis balls – punched holes in glass skyscrapers, lifted apartment block roofs and shattered windows in thousands of properties and cars across the city.’

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2014/nov/28/brisbane-stunned-by-severe-storm-no-time-to-evacuate-no-warning

  • Wester: At this point, the US government executive branch is ostensibly run by Democrats,, has been since 2009, and it has done more than any other entity over the past 5 years to avoid doing anything to prevent any global action re global warming. It has also greatly benefitted from the banisters and has enabled them to amass even more paper wealth via easy money. And it has done all this with very little protest from the ranks of “environmentalists.” This makes it much more dangerous than if it were run by Republicans, whose similar actions would arouse angry reactions as they have before from these same folks.

  • Sorry, tom, but the first article above re 9/11 features Gordon Duff’s claims about nukes being used to bring down the WTC towers, and the evidence simply does not square with the claims made by Duff’s source, the Russian military officer. The towers, both the Twin Towers was well as WTC7, were blown up via demolition, for sure, but not that way.

  • Tom: someone is using your name to shovel garbage into NBL:

    Tom Says:
    November 28th, 2014 at 7:42 am

  • Green Energy Won’t Work Says Google’s Experts!
    We all wax on about human extinction, but who really knows, some might survive for a while until things get really bad. Was it the Hartman interview that said some billionaires are building secret survival complexes right under their homes? There is one little thing that should bother you more, and that’s the eminent collapse of civilization, which will be no small thing. We should have a microcosmic view of civil collapse this March when Sao Paulo dries up and blows away.

    THE BIG GREEN ENERGY PICTURE – or, I DON’T SAY?
    ► In just 13 years, we will “lock in” an inevitable near term 6°C earth temp rise because we continually exceed the worse-case emissions scenario set out back in 2007 says climate scientist, Dr. Michael Jennings.
    ► Energy demands to increase 100% by 2060 says the IEA.
    ► Emissions have to decrease 80% by 2030 says climate scientist, Kevin Anderson.
    ► To power England with 100% solar & wind, requires 25% of its land says physicist, David MacKay.
    ► 40% Green Energy requires 200% more copper says John Timmer of Ars Technica.
    ► Peak copper hits 2030 – 2040 says Ugo Bardi.
    ► Post peak copper production cannot accelerate at any price says Dave Lowell.
    ► This is true of any post peak mineral production.
    ► There is no real substitute for copper says Mat McDermott of Motherboard.
    ► We mined 50% of all the copper in human history in just the last 30 years.
    ► 100% green energy requires 500% more copper.
    ► Peak minerals includes more than just copper.
    ► By 2050, expect to be past peaks for tin, silver, cadmium and more.
    ► We now move 3 billion tons of earth per year to get 15 millions tons of copper.
    ► We can’t afford to mine 500% more copper at ever lower concentrations.
    ► We cannot recycle it into existence.
    ► We cannot conserve it into existence.
    ► Substituting aluminum for copper takes 5X the energy and is less safe.
    ► Google’s own green energy experts say renewable energy simply won’t work.
    http://spectrum.ieee.org/energy/renewables/what-it-would-really-take-to-reverse-climate-change

    We cannot afford the energy-ecology costs of flooding the world with billions upon billions of tons of toxic lead, liquid metal, or molten salt batteries that have to be “recycled” all the time, usually involving smuggling and the mafia. This is not environmentally sound. Even an idiot can see this.

    Our Hi-Tech world absolutely requires Rare Earth Elements and mining them is a dirty-dangerous dirty business no holds barred. We will soon not be able to mine Rare Earth Elements without Thorium Power because mining Rare Earth Elements produces Thorium as a radioactive waste by-product that we can’t afford to handle safely. We can’t have one without the other. In other words, we can’t have a Hi-Tech Green Energy world without digging up the radioactive Thorium with which we don’t know what to do. India and China are on a crash course race to the moon of Apollo proportions to be the first to produce commercial Thorium Power. China wants at least 400 Gigawatts of nuclear power by 2050 (400 power plants in 35 years) and they are going to git it one way or t’other. I guar-r-rantee it.

    I am not a scientist, I cut grass at a trailer park in Canada, so I know stupid when I see it, and since I can’t cut grass in the winter up here, I get bored and mischievous.

    Solar panels and wind turbines only last 25 years, expensive batteries and power inverters last much less, needing constant replacement. After the fracking bubble pops and your green energy systems break down, America will face the serious danger of energy poverty without firing up the old coal power plants. Good Luck with your $40,000 coal-fired Tesla electric car because it will cost $10,000 to change the batteries when they wear out. We can cheaply convert today’s cars to burn 100% clean hydrogen or ammonia gas, both which act more like a Green Gas Battery than an Energy Source. American-made carbon-fiber gas tanks are nearly indestructible and small enough to fit in your trunk. The hydrogen or ammonia can eventually be generated directly with Thorium Power, or indirectly with solar and wind power since solar and wind power will both depend on Thorium Power. Right now, it takes one whole ton of coal to produce just six solar panels. This new way of doing things means we just have to harden our current power grids and make the best of what we already have and stop wishing for magic bullets.

    Careful what you wish for.
    Going green could kill us all.
    Cheers and Season’s Greetings.

  • The “green” we are always talking about refers to the color of chlorophyll, involved with photosynthesis. Going green should be about growing things, not about trying to make electricity to run our toys. When will we grow up?

  • Robert Callaghan Says:
    November 28th, 2014 at 12:37 pm


    We can cheaply convert today’s cars to burn 100% clean hydrogen or ammonia gas, both which act more like a Green Gas Battery than an Energy Source.
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    It is not what we can do that matters, it is what we can’t do and why.

    Indy race cars ran on clean fuel for many years until that reality needed to be removed from prying eyes
    “‘methanol was the required fuel for the Indy Racing League (IRL) from the 1960s until 2006’.

    Methanol is a clean burning fuel which powered the fastest race in the nation, all the while producing no green house gases nor carbon monoxide along the way.'”
    (A Methanol Economy Way Out Of Here – 4).

  • Robin Datta Says:
    November 28th, 2014 at 12:35 pm

    Tom: someone is using your name to shovel garbage into NBL:
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    Someone or some thing (Mocking America – 3).

    Expect infiltration attempts when exposing TPTB.

  • Fracking could be as damaging as thalidomide, tobacco and asbestos, government’s Chief Scientific Adviser warns in new report

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/fracking-could-be-as-damaging-as-thalidomide-tobacco-and-asbestos-governments-chief-scientific-adviser-warns-in-new-report-9891931.html

    And there’s that small matter of WTI falling below $67 and Brent falling below $71.

    Apparently Venezuela is about to go kaput, along with Nigeria, Egypt, Angola, Libya, Mexico, Canada etc.

  • “no green house gases nor carbon monoxide”

    CH4 + 2O2 = CO2 + 2H2O

  • 2CH3OH + 3O2 = 2CO2 4H2O

  • Dredd Says:
    November 28th, 2014 at 4:10 pm

    “It is not what we can do that matters, it is what we can’t do and why.

    Indy race cars ran on clean fuel for many years until that reality needed to be removed from prying eyes
    “‘methanol was the required fuel for the Indy Racing League (IRL) from the 1960s until 2006′.

    Methanol is a clean burning fuel which powered the fastest race in the nation, all the while producing no green house gases nor carbon monoxide along the way.’”
    (A Methanol Economy Way Out Of Here – 4).”
    You are joking, right? Ethanol. methanol,…. all biofuels are a big SCAM. EROEI is often under 1, i.e. more energy input than energy provided, destructive to farmland, more polluting than gasoline,……

    http://energyskeptic.com/?s=biofuels

  • Robin: no, that was me asking for people here to take a look at the posts and let ME know whether they’re correct or spurious.

  • Jeff S. Says:
    November 28th, 2014 at 8:11 pm

    Dredd Says:
    November 28th, 2014 at 4:10 pm

    Methanol is a clean burning fuel which powered the fastest race in the nation, all the while producing no green house gases nor carbon monoxide along the way.’” (A Methanol Economy Way Out Of Here – 4).”
    You are joking, right? Ethanol. methanol,…. all biofuels are a big SCAM. EROEI is often under 1, i.e. more energy input than energy provided, destructive to farmland, more polluting than gasoline,……
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    The falsehood that methanol is a “biofuel” is an Oil-Qaeda propaganda talking point.

    In the 1990s Nobel prize winner George A. Olah started to advocate the methanol economy and in 2006 he and two co-authors, G. K. Surya Prakash and Alain Goeppert, published a book around this theme. In these publications, they summarize the state of our fossil fuel and alternative energy sources, their availability and limitations before suggesting a new approach in the so-called methanol economy.

    Methanol … can be used directly as a fuel in flex-fuel cars (including hybrid and plug-in hybrid vehicles) using existing internal combustion engines … Methanol is a liquid under normal conditions, allowing it to be stored, transported and dispensed easily, much like gasoline and diesel fuel is currently. It can also be readily transformed by dehydration into dimethyl ether, a diesel fuel substitute with a cetane number of 55.

    Methanol is already used today on a large scale (about 37 million tonnes per year) as a raw material to produce numerous chemical products and materials. In addition, it can be readily converted in the methanol-to-olefin (MTO) process into ethylene and propylene, which can be used to produce synthetic hydrocarbons and their products, currently obtained from oil and natural gas.” (Wikipedia)

    Current flex fuel used in automobiles is E85 (ethanol 85%, gasoline 15%) and M85 (methanol 85%, gasoline 15%).

    Use of methanol fuel reduces the exhaust emissions of certain hydrocarbon-related toxins such as benzene and 1,3 butadiene, and dramatically reduces long term groundwater pollution caused by fuel spills. Unlike benzene-family fuels, methanol will rapidly and non-toxically biodegrade with no long-term harm to the environment as long as it is sufficiently diluted.

    Methanol is far more difficult to ignite than gasoline and burns about 60% slower. A methanol fire releases energy at around 20% of the rate of a gasoline fire, resulting in a much cooler flame. This results in a much less dangerous fire that is easier to contain with proper protocols. Unlike gasoline, water is acceptable and even preferred as a fire suppressant, since this both cools the fire and rapidly dilutes the fuel below the concentration where it will maintain self-flammability. These facts mean that, as a vehicle fuel, methanol has great safety advantages over gasoline.

    The State of California ran an experimental program from 1980 to 1990 that allowed anyone to convert a gasoline vehicle to 85% methanol with 15% additives of choice. Over 500 vehicles were converted to high compression and dedicated use of the 85/15 methanol and ethanol, with great results. Detroit was not willing to produce any methanol or ethanol vehicles without government subsidy.

    In 1982 the big three were each given $5,000,000 for design and contracts for 5,000 vehicles to be bought by the State. That was the beginning of the low-compression flexible-fuel vehicles that we can still buy today.

    In 2005, California’s Governor, Arnold Schwarzenegger, stopped the use of methanol after 25 years and 200,000,000 miles (320,000,000 km) of success …” (Wikipedia).

    The hydrogen economy – with its vision of gas-guzzling engines replaced by hydrogen fuel cells that produce water instead of smog and greenhouse gases – is a big mistake, according to George Olah, winner of the 1994 Nobel Prize in chemistry.

    Olah, whose research in the chemistry of hydrocarbons has led to high-octane fuels and more easily degradable hydrocarbons, is now director of the Loker Hydrocarbon Research Institute at the University of Southern California. He argues that storing energy in the form of methanol, not hydrogen, could end our dependence on fossil fuels and transform carbon dioxide from a global-warming liability into an essential raw material for a methanol-based economy. Olah lays out his plan in a new book, Beyond Oil and Gas: The Methanol Economy, published last week by Wiley-VCH.” (MIT Technology Review).

  • Oil-Qaeda propaganda has (from the time of the first Flex-Fuel automobile, the Ford Model-T) often emphasized the difficulty of going DIRECTLY from where we are now to where we want to be.

    This strategy was intended to make us give up before we even began.

    Going directly from A to C was their tactical focus, rather than a realistic path from A to intermediate B, then to final C.

    What would have eased the path was focus on utilization of existing “intermediate B”. Oil-Qaeda obliterated that reality from the public discourse, focused entirely on the difficulty of going from A directly to C, and constantly discouraged a wise choice over the past decades.

    The mantra has not changed, but the intermediate B is still there, so the following quote has application many decades into the past:

    As global concerns grow regarding energy security, air quality, and climate change, opportunities emerge for alternative fuels to displace the petroleum fuels on which today’s transportation sector depends. One such alternative fuel is renewable methanol, a liquid fuel that has been demonstrated to be a successful replacement for gasoline and diesel. This white paper focuses on the options, benefits, and considerations for renewable methanol primarily as a
    transportation fuel.

    Renewable methanol can be produced via four primary pathways: municipal waste, industrial waste, biomass, and carbon dioxide. The first three pathways rely on gasification and catalytic conversion technology to produce renewable methanol, while the fourth pathway produces methanol from carbon dioxide, water, and renewable electricity building blocks.

    Major worldwide producers that are currently employing these technologies include BioMCN (Netherlands), Blue Fuel Energy (Canada), Carbon Recycling International (Iceland), Chemrec (Sweden), Enerkem (Canada), and VärmlandsMetanol (Sweden).

    A key benefit of renewable methanol is its potential to significantly reduce greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions from the transportation sector.” (Methanol as a Renewable Energy Resource, PDF).

  • Over the past decades, “dead zones” in rivers and oceans could have been avoided in various ways, one of those ways involves the use of methanol.

    As part of the denitrification process, methanol plays a crucial role in reducing environmentally damaging effluent that is discharged by wastewater treatment facilities across the globe. Methanol is a naturally occurring, biodegradable molecule and is employed in these operations because of its favorable chemical properties. Nearly 200 wastewater treatment facilities across the United States are currently using methanol in their denitrification process.” Methanol Org, “Methanol Denitrification“).
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    Methanol Basics

    From **paints and **plastics, **furniture and **carpeting, to car parts and windshield wash fluid, methanol is a chemical building block used in making hundreds of products that touch our daily lives. Methanol is also an emerging energy fuel for running our cars, trucks, buses, and even electric power turbines. Methanol, also known as methyl alcohol or wood alcohol, is the simplest of all alcohols with the chemical formula CH3OH.

    Methanol is a light, colorless, flammable liquid at room temperature, and contains less carbon and more hydrogen than any other liquid fuel. It is a stable biodegradable chemical that is produced and shipped around the globe everyday for a number of industrial and commercial applications. Methanol occurs naturally in the environment, and quickly breaks down in both aerobic and anaerobic conditions.

    The methanol industry spans the entire globe, with production in Asia, North and South America, Europe, Africa and the Middle East. Worldwide, over 100 methanol plants have a combined production capacity of about 100 million metric tons (33 billion gallons or 125 billion liters), and each day more than 180,000 tons of methanol is used as a chemical feedstock or as a transportation fuel (60 million gallons or 225 million liters). The global methanol industry generates $36 billion in economic activity each year, while creating over 100,000 jobs around the globe.

    This simple alcohol can be made from virtually anything that is, or ever was, a plant. This includes common fossil fuels – like natural gas and coal – and renewable resources like biomass, landfill gas, and even power plant emissions and CO2 from the atmosphere. With its diversity of production feedstocks and array of applications, it’s no wonder that methanol has been one of the world’s most widely used industrial chemicals since the 1800s.

    (**Plastics etc. are not the same when made with methanol rather than oil)

  • The latest post includes video from my two latest trips to California. Catch it here.

  • Dredd has turned this thread into a methanol industry PR propaganda outlet.

  • Jeff S. Says:
    November 29th, 2014 at 9:59 am

    Dredd has turned this thread into a methanol industry PR propaganda outlet.
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    “I am not, nor have I ever been a member of the” methanol industry.

    Nor am I a stockholder or in any way attached to that industry.

    Same with Oil-Qaeda … no attachment whatsoever.

    However, I am aware of the history of both industries (A Methanol Economy Way Out of Here – 6).