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Are Humans Going Extinct? Dahr Jamail for Truth-Out, 1 December 2014

Two days later, I’m heavily quoted in this piece: Change the world or the end of the world

Even Paul Craig Roberts takes note in an article posted 3 December 2014: Thinking Is An Expensive Occupation

An excerpt from a presentation in Chico, California on 30 September 2014 is embedded below, courtesy of Ivey Cone.

Climate-change information is presented below. The first of two parts is embedded below. It includes an introduction by Mimi Riley, and focuses on linear, “normal” climate change. The second part addresses abrupt climate change, and will be posted next weekend.

I’m mentioned in the video embedded below. It’s from 16 September 2014. It, and some of the others embedded above, are provided by Ivey Cone at Fuki Cafe.

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Catch Nature Bats Last on the radio with Mike Sliwa and Guy McPherson. Tune in every Tuesday at 8:00 p.m. Eastern time, or catch up in the archives here. If you prefer the iTunes version, including the option to subscribe, you can click here.

Last night’s show, which includes an extended conversation between Guy and Mike, is archived here. Next week’s show — to be broadcast Tuesday, 9 December — includes an extensive interview with journalist Dahr Jamail.

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McPherson’s latest book is co-authored by Carolyn Baker. Extinction Dialogs: How to Live with Death in Mind is available.

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Find and join the Near-Term Human Extinction SUPPORT Group on Facebook here

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Going Dark is available from the publisher here, from Amazon here, from Amazon on Kindle here, from Barnes & Noble on Nook here, and as a Google e-book here. Going Dark was reviewed by Carolyn Baker at Speaking Truth to Power, Anne Pyterek at Blue Bus Books, and by more than three dozen readers at Amazon.

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  • Guy, I am really enjoying your recent work. Also, I’m very pleased to see you receiving at least a little of the respect you deserve. I hope it grows.

    I’m surprised but also pleased to see you quote Katie. I’ve been a fan of Katie’s since she first published “Loving What Is”. The woman is the real deal. She gets human consciousness. Other people talk about reptilian brains, etc., but she has mastered her own consciousness and speaks with full understanding. She also gets spirituality, and you will find it mentioned casually on occasion, but not often.

    I fear, Guy, that you will have the sad honor of having been “right” in the near future. I, for one, am deeply grateful to have encountered you on this journey, and your work has helped me at this time in a way that no other information has. With love to the Earth and all her Life.

    best regards

  • What is the new study about the ozone depletion because of the nuclear radiation?
    Have they found the model for the depletion. And is there a boron areosol fix for the present situation on the geoengeenering program. And if there is a aerosol fix is the nuclear industry responsible.in any regard? Just thinking of what our present world situation has become.

  • oldgrowthforest –

    I’ve been totally loving so much of what you have been saying here lately (and I have pretty much always felt that way about everything you say, but you hit a high point when you were explaining your POV in the native cultures debates here recently) so I wanted to thank you for all of that, but now I want to specifically thank you for being an inspiration to me, to go look up something about Katie and “The Work” as she calls it – that is great stuff, putting it very mildly.

    that is also, only the ticket to, well… everything.

    I will take the liberty of expanding on a “Katie quote” with my own personal variation:

    Total Reality is God – because it rules.

  • Thanks Guy, the videos just keep getting better.
    Now, mostly because of your efforts, it seems like we’ve reached critical mass, and the issues are finally being mentioned on main stream media.

    I try to visualize the world moving into that darkness of knowledge.
    How will they carry on, living lives they hate, going to jobs they hate, putting off addressing the hard issues like how to love on a dying planet?

  • oldgrowthforest,

    I find your Dec. 3, 2014, 2:36 pm comment a fascinating contradiction indeed: On one hand you appear enthusiastically to advocate Byron Katie’s work related to loving what exists. (We have experimented with Katie’s process in our monthly Tacoma Extinction Support Group meetings and I recommended Loving What Is to Guy about a year ago.) On the other hand you passionately deny what the most up-to-date anthropology and archaeology have to say about human populations throughout all of human history inevitably expanding and destroying their environments, with accompanying warfare. I do not understand how this denial equates with loving what is. Do we best love what is only when it supports our favorite beliefs? And when it does not, then we have license to avoid and deny what best evidence suggests exists (or happened in the past)? Playing Byron Katie, I have four more questions regarding your denial of the most up-to-date archaeological and anthropological evidence:

    1. Is it true?
    2. Can you absolutely know that it’s true?
    3. How do you react, what happens to you, when you believe those denial thoughts?
    4. Who would you be without your denial thoughts?

  • Mo flow, thank you for your comments. I’m glad that something I wrote has meaning for you. That is an honor for me.

    Bud, if you are asking me those questions, I would think you have missed the entire point of the work. I can’t see that you understanding me is required for any reason, nor even that it’s your business to do so. Furthermore, your opinions of me are none of my business. That is not going to change.

  • Guy,
    Great presentations….

    you are hitting your stride….

    right before you(we all) go ….SPLAT!

    😉

  • I agree with OzMan: Guy, your presentations continue to get better; the flow has become more smooth IMO.

  • Reflecting back, I think the Matrix tells a good coherent story. The crux of the Matrix beyond the allegory to all kinds of societies is the issue of choice (and causality). There’s a Doctor Who 4-part episode titled Enlightenment which talks about enlightenment as not a thing to possess, but rather the choices you make.

    –Ram

  • oldgrowthforest,

    You wrote “Bud, if you are asking me those questions, I would think you have missed the entire point of the work.” It seems to me that a very large part of Katie’s work involves getting people deeply, emotionally to see, understand, and accept things that exist about themselves, other people, and the world that they do not like or want to see or accept; indeed, especially when they do not like or want to see, understand, and accept them. Things like global heating, ecological and nuclear collapse, the fundamental nature of humans, our history as a species with respect to population growth, ecological exploitation, other specie’s extinctions, and warfare. Please help me understand how I presumably have “missed the entire point of the work”.

  • Bud, your questions sound perfect for the Judge Your Neighbor Worksheet. That’s the part you skipped, the projection part. I think the worksheet is an excellent tool to assist you with whatever it is you are experiencing.

    “who angers, confuses, or disappoints you, and why?”
    “how do you want them to change? What do you want them to do?”
    “In order for you to be happy in this situation, what do you need them to think, say, feel, or do?”
    “What do you think of them in this situation? Make a list.”
    “What is it in or about this situation that you don’t ever want to experience again?”

  • Bud Nye:
    “our history as a species with respect to population growth, ecological exploitation, other specie’s extinctions, and warfare. ”

    That’s YOUR notion of human history. Anthropologists in general strongly disagree with this notion. And you are virtually identifying this with some biological nature common to all life, so called social Darwinism which Darwin himself rejected and which evolutionary biologists such as Lynn Margulis have disprove definitively. But then, what you say is what the misanthropes who mistake Guy for one of their won who gather here just love to hear.

  • The idea that humans are good/sinners and that “God” is exclusivelty good can be maintained by selectively averting one’s gaze. Otherwise one has to acknowledge a dark manifest aspect of the Divine that stands upon the unmanifest Reality; a Reality that is not apprehensible through the senses or cognition, the unknowable Knower behind all that is known.

    Homeostasis is dependent on feedback mechanisms within systems, which in spontaneously arising complex systems confer advantage to the system. At every level of systems, the system would “prefer” (imbeciles: read “tend towards”) expansion and/or replication as its thermodynamic imperative.

    Every complex configuration of matter channelling the flow of energy tends towards expansion and/or replication until it is compelled to do otherwisse by EXTERNAL forces or limits acting upon it. These external forces and limits can be construed to be feedbacks within a greater system.

  • THE MOST POWERFUL FILM YOU WILL EVER SEE: Earthlings full documentary

    Follow this You Tube link and your life will never be the same again:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibuQ-J04eLQ

  • I enthusiastically agree with your 350.org smack down so I want to help.
    In September of this year the Rockefellers announced oil divestment plans.
    I would suggest you describe them as the founding fathers of the oil age.
    This way, you avoid being mentally corrected by audience or verbally by media.

    In the Spring of 2013, Bill McKibben threw his support behind the Bernie Saunders and Barbara Boxer sponsored “carbon fee and dividend” bill that would entitle the government to two-fifths of any future carbon taxes. These taxes are called “fees” because who in the hell is going to vote for a “tax”? Of course two-fifths will just be the opening bid, because being the government, they can quickly change that to three-fifths, or three-quarters for that matter. (As an aside, it is my fantasy that dividends be paid in every coutnry all over the world in a new electronic currency in order to circumvent national regulatory and currency differences. Just because we won’t win, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try.)

    It was James Hansen who came up with the idea that any future carbon taxes should be recycled 100% back to the people who paid the taxes, that’s you. The idea is that if you used less energy, you would make more money. It’s so fucking brilliantly simple, it makes me cry.

    Hansen wants you to get all of your money back, Bill McKibben and Naomi Klein do not. It’s that simple. It’s black-white. right-wrong, yes-no. It’s not a nuanced value judgement. Go ahead, ask them. The Rockefellers understand the danger of Hansen’s radical idea. It means no cash for them. This is why 350-dot-org was funded by the Rockefellers, to head off any claim on that money by the people who will pay it, you. The problem is that once governments and corporations get control of any future carbon tax dividends, we’re fucked.

    McKibben doesn’t really care that
    1) “green” energy simply won’t work, or
    2) that we will never get back to 350 ppm CO2, or
    3) that there is no way in hell to stay below 2°C.

    Those are just the talking points he needs to get his masters “their” money. He’s a journalist, and all journalists are seduced by power, and power is money. People aren’t greedy for money, they are greedy for power. McKibben may just be on the bottom of the totem pole but, that’s just for now.

    I very strongly believe in your message, the NTHE timing being not being so important as the fact of NTHE itself. I have watched your earlier videos and have seen your over-enthusiastic embrace of slightly doubtful supporting evidence. I’m okay with this because when an overwhelming plethora of hints point in one direction, we would be fools to ignore the underlying evidence.
    I merely caution you to be careful speaking because I believe you are making important progress and I would hate to see it falter.

    Another suggestion I have is that when Elizabeth Kolbert and Naomi Klein get into the boxing ring for another smackdown, that you get in Kolbert’s corner. Or, better yet, leave your current spouse and hook it up with Kolbert and travel the country together smacking down the likes of McKibben and Klein. I would pay to see that, and I don’t pay to see anything.

  • I read Kolbert’s book when it first came out, although a tad tedious, i am glad she wrote it because any corroborating media events add up to more than their sum total. In it, she describes how a biology professor would send students outdoors to harvest frogs, when the students came back saying there were no frogs to be had, the professor refused to believe them at first becoming the last to believe. This must have been a rude awakening to the professor. I would imagine that such an eye-opener had to be common among biologists of your vintage. anyhoo…

    About a week or so ago, Google’s own Green Energy Experts publicly admitted in IEEE Spectrum magazine that green energy would “simply not work” and that it was a “false dream”, their words — not mine. These experts had Standford PhDs in physics and engineering. They were like über star chamber geeks. The project’s goal was to make green energy cheaper than coal, it started in 2007 and just recently was cancelled. Yet, the folks at Treehuggers Anonymous (TA), including McKibben and Klein continue to just ignore it. They suffer the same human delusion as the climate heating denialists they abhor.

    Ozzie Zehner was another green energy architect wunderkind speaking at a Google Talks event in 2012 where Ozzie explained how solar and wind energy were just extensions of fossil fuels in no uncertain terms. Obviously, the idea was brewing there for some time. Yet, not a peep from the stay-on-message techno-apocalypt-optimists at TA. Klein and McKibben don’t care about evidence, they care about prestige and power.

    In 1972, we learned about the Limits to Growth. We ingnored it. We are going to hit those limits at the exact same time we require even more minerals and elements to make up for our past transgressions. Power demand is doubling at the same time emissions have to drop 80% at the same time as minerals and energy costs spiral up. If you thought this impossible, you’d be right. Klein and McKibben have become the very thing they abhor in mainstream environmentalists. They are unreal. The absurdity of it all is approaching Shakespearean- Greco- Tragic proportions. I fucking love it.

    For those who don’t know, I cut grass in a trailer park in Canada, but here’s my breakdown of the green energy picture.

    ► 40% Green Energy requires 200% more copper says John Timmer of Ars Technica.
    ► Peak copper hits 2030 – 2040 says Ugo Bardi.
    ► Post peak copper production cannot accelerate at any price says Dave Lowell.
    ► This is true of any post peak mineral production.
    ► There is no real substitute for copper says Mat McDermott of Motherboard.
    ► We mined 50% of all the copper in human history in just the last 30 years.
    ► 100% green energy requires 500% more copper.
    ► Peak minerals includes more than just copper.
    ► By 2050, expect to be past peaks for tin, silver, cadmium and more.
    ► We now move 3 billion tons of earth per year to get 15 millions tons of copper.
    ► We can’t afford to mine 500% more copper at ever lower concentrations.
    ► We cannot recycle it into existence.
    ► We cannot conserve it into existence.
    ► Substituting aluminum for copper takes 5X the energy and is less safe.

  • Besides being thought of as an oil troll, TA green energy boosters will say my information is outdated and inaccurate, usually without bothering to help but, you know how weeks pass unnoticed. Then they’ll tell you about all the latest advances, without mentioning that most will never make it to production and that the “old” ways will remain in use until the money tree stops shaking.

    “Prove you\’re on the endangered species list: *”
    EASY: BLANK x 9 = fifty four — was hard.

  • Jeff,

    You wrote “That’s YOUR notion of human history. Anthropologists in general strongly disagree with this notion. And you are virtually identifying this with some biological nature common to all life, so called social Darwinism which Darwin himself rejected and which evolutionary biologists such as Lynn Margulis have disprove definitively. But then, what you say is what the misanthropes who mistake Guy for one of their won who gather here just love to hear.”

    No, I do not do anthropological or archaeological research, so my description does not reflect MY notion of human history as much as it summarizes the results of the most up-to-date research in primatology, anthropology, and archaeology versus the older anthropological thinking of 30 to 60 years ago, which remains quite popular and frequently repeated by many authors. No, this thinking does not have anything to do with social Darwinism. I have no control over what misanthropes may or may not love to hear. More importantly, their preferences remain completely irrelevant to the more recent anthropological and archaeological evidence and reasoning.

    oldgrowthforest,

    Thanks for the thought provoking Katie worksheet questions. To respond: I do not feel angry, confused, or disappointed by anyone. I do not wish or expect anyone to change or to do anything. (Of course, this includes you.) I feel quite happy in this situation and I do not need or want you or anyone else to think, say, feel, or do anything. I think that you and others behave in this situation exactly as your and their emotions direct you to respond. (As professor emeritus of psychology Paul Ekman writes in his book Emotions Revealed, Recognizing Faces and Feelings To Improve Communication and Emotional Life, “We evaluate what is happening in a way that is consistent with the emotion we are feeling, thus justifying and maintaining the emotion.”) Finally, I cannot think of anything about this situation that I don’t ever want to experience again. Indeed, I find this situation quite stimulating and rewarding both intellectually and emotionally, and I appreciate your taking the time to correspond with me here at NBL about these things.

  • ,
    “Chronic anxiety is a state more undesirable than any other, and we will try almost any maneuver to eliminate it. Modern man is living in anxious anticipation of destruction. Such anxiety can be easily eliminated by self-destruction. As a German saying puts it: ‘Better an end with terror than a terror without end.”
    ― Robert E. Neale, The Art of Dying
    .
    …a breakdown of society could arise from rapid global population growth and unsustainable resource exploitation.
    .
    .
    Just ridin’ on this runaway train, staring out the window, with a cat on my lap.
    .

    .
    The Voluntary Extinction Movement
    Thou shalt not procreate.
    .
    The Church of Euthanasia
    Save the planet, kill yourself.

  • Bud,

    “I find your Dec. 3, 2014, 2:36 pm comment a fascinating contradiction indeed . . . I do not understand how this denial equates with loving what is . . . I have four more questions regarding your denial . . .”

    Obviously, you have questions concerning my “denial.” (Your judgment.)

    Obviously, you want me to say/write something to satisfy you in some way.

    The work is about us “getting” ourselves to see our own projections, not about “getting” anyone else to see anything. That is not to say that people cannot do the work together as Katie does with others, but the work doesn’t need a second person at all, therefore it cannot be about getting anyone else to do anything at all, much less understand anything differently.

    I think I will pass on your offer to teach me how to see reality, however, I will you happiness in your journey.

    ogf

  • oldgrowthforest,

    You wrote “Obviously, you have questions concerning my “denial.” (Your judgment.) Obviously, you want me to say/write something to satisfy you in some way.” No, your denial is not my judgment. You have passionately expressed your denial of the validity of the more recent anthropology and archaeology many times here. No, I do not want you to say or write anything here to satisfy me in any way. I did raise a number of questions, and I had no expectation that you would seriously consider them, much less answer them.

    You wrote “The work is about us ‘getting’ ourselves to see our own projections, not about ‘getting’ anyone else to see anything.” I find this statement extremely confusing. “Seeing our own projections” does not involve our seeing something, understanding something?

    You wrote “That is not to say that people cannot do the work together as Katie does with others, but the work doesn’t need a second person at all, therefore it cannot be about getting anyone else to do anything at all, much less understand anything differently.” If the work does not need a second person at all, why did Katie bother to write her book, have her workshops, post YouTube videos, and make DVDs available? If the work does not need a second person at all, as you claim, she would just as well have let everyone else “discover” “the work” just as she did, and everyone who wished to would then presumably have made that “discovery” as quickly as they would by reading the book, attending workshops, and viewing videos.

    You wrote “I think I will pass on your offer to teach me how to see reality, however, I will you happiness in your journey.” I had, and have, no intention of teaching you anything. Why not? Because I know extremely well that only YOU can teach yourself whatever you wish to learn, not me nor anyone else. Written and spoken language, and videos, can help in that learning process only if and when you proactively wish to use them in constructing your knowledge and skills—which you have emphasized that you do not wish to do. That, of course, remains perfectly okay with me.

  • No, Bud. I expressed my views, my understanding of a subject. When you define my words as “denial,” that is your judgment and evaluation
    of my words.

    I would suggest that you may also enjoy Marshall Rosenberg’s work on non-violent communications. http://www.cnvc.org

    Rosenberg is a psychologist whose work I find profound. He discusses three primary ways in which we express ourselves, and those three ways are; we express neutral/objective observations, we evaluate (judge), and we express our feelings and needs. Nearly all communications will be a variation on one of those primary types of expressions.

    Rosenberg quotes Krishnamurti to relate a foundational premise of his work: “The ability to observe without evaluating is the highest form of intelligence.” He challenges the validity of all our judgments, even the “nice” ones, and holds that many if not most of our judgments are creations at best, and psychological violence toward others at its worst. He further teaches that observations and statements of self i.e. ~ feelings and needs ~ are higher truths for any individual.

    I think his work and Katie’s are a phenomenal pairing for understanding our judgments/evaluations/projections better, because they are all the same thing.

  • Thanks Guy for NOT throwing in the towel, NOT walking away (again) from what you love (teaching humans) and for providing steady improvement in your work. There’s a zen saying that goes something like: even the sight of the whip spurs the good horse. Defeat (stopping what you’re doing) because of negativity by people who deny reality, rather than stopping what you’re doing because that’s what you want to do – is a win for humanity, especially since you decided against them both and decided to keep going, only even better – improved in delivery, demeanor and adaptability (to audience and time constraints). Your life of excellence is plain for us to see. Keep up the good work (inspiring the rest of us) until you feel like resting a while.

    More weird stuff going on climate wise – in this case humans are losing the ability to cope:

    http://www.sott.net/article/289778-Ice-storm-with-deep-snow-in-Serbia-People-experiencing-mental-breakdown-after-48-hours-without-electricity-water-and-heating

    Ice storm with deep snow in Serbia: People experiencing mental breakdown after 48 hours without electricity, water and heating

    Wed, 03 Dec 2014

    “48 hours of agony in Majdanpek, people mentally break!” says headline.

    Put on your coat and hat and get under a blanket and wait to pass this evil, say angry residents of Majdanpeka. At night it is very cold.

    The city is bound by snow and ice, without electricity, water and heating, and the torture is far from over. The fourth attempt to connect pokidna transmission network, this afternoon failed. It’s agony.

    Business is great, joked a shop owner: he has sold burners for gas. These gadgets over the past two days in Majdanpeku have become worth gold, because it is only on them that food can be prepared.

    To make matters even worse, in this city of skyscrapers, the architects omitted chimneys, says Mirko Kobe. He lives in in the center of town with his wife and two sons, one of whom is chronically ill and requires constant care.

    He adds that heating is only available in the hospital, which has a generator. “The hospital only has heating, and has currently one baby who was born on Monday night and 26 patients, of which I think are two pregnant women.

    A different resident, Milan, says that the transmission lines that have fallen were wrapped in ice 4-centimeters thick. Workers cut branches that have fallen around power lines, and progress is slow. More bizarre is that no one has physically visited the power plant, it is controlled by a computer in Belgrade.

    The situation is cataclysmic, explains Milan. It’s freezing cold. The home is cooler than outside! People are very angry, enraged, angry… Everything is extremely difficult, residents are outraged, helpless! [links to article at site]

    In Sao Paolo, they’ve reached the end of the line water-wise:

    http://www.desdemonadespair.net/2014/12/sao-paulo-taps-emergency-water-reserves.html

    São Paulo taps emergency water reserves which may last for two months – ‘If it doesn’t rain, we won’t have an alternative but to get water from the mud’ [read it while CA breathes a sigh of relief]

    and, to add to that

    Courtesy of Shell Oil: One of the worst oil spills in years causes environmental disaster in Niger Delta

    and

    Oil spill in Israeli nature preserve causes one of country’s worst environmental disasters

    [both articles a SOTT]

  • Bud Nye Says:
    December 4th, 2014 at 8:29 am
    “Jeff,

    You wrote “That’s YOUR notion of human history. Anthropologists in general strongly disagree with this notion. And you are virtually identifying this with some biological nature common to all life, so called social Darwinism which Darwin himself rejected and which evolutionary biologists such as Lynn Margulis have disprove definitively. But then, what you say is what the misanthropes who mistake Guy for one of their won who gather here just love to hear.”

    No, I do not do anthropological or archaeological research, so my description does not reflect MY notion of human history as much as it summarizes the results of the most up-to-date research in primatology, anthropology, and archaeology versus the older anthropological thinking of 30 to 60 years ago, which remains quite popular and frequently repeated by many authors. No, this thinking does not have anything to do with social Darwinism. I have no control over what misanthropes may or may not love to hear. More importantly, their preferences remain completely irrelevant to the more recent anthropological and archaeological evidence and reasoning.”

    You present zero “research” of supposed up to date primatology,anthropology and archeology and yet make far reading claims. Your thinking is pure social Darwinism at its worst. Your line of thinking is based upon nothing more than unbacked assertions.
    Richard Lee, for example, didn’t do his work 60 years ago, he has been active over the last several decades, and remains active. And his work absolutely shreds your unbacked assertions based upon 100 year old notions of human nature.

    After denying for many years that there was catastrophic climate change, the latest systemic defense is “It’s all simply the result of human nature, we are innately destructive to everything around us.” Thus, no need to change, over the edge at full speed. Social Darwinism is one more excuse for the status quo and for refusing to do anything. My stance remains that resistance is the only ethical response, regardless of the odds.

  • Feedbacks in a complex system aren’t necessarily external (i.e., deriving from the environment or the higher level complex system subsuming it). They can be programmed (encoded) by the same methods that give rise to the complex system. The molecular replication system not only encodes its own replication but also its own limits to replication in its nucleotide and amino acid sequences. Like a snake eating its own head, recursive feedback loops are a general feature of evolution. At molecular level (i.e., a complex system of molecules, such as cell signalling pathways), they are generally internal or at least existing at the same level in the complex systems hierarchy, and at other levels, can cross scales.

    The energetic interactions driving the native structure of the vast majority of single proteins are encoded in their amino acid sequence (and proteins almost always don’t even replicate).

  • @ogf
    Krishnamurti never allowed time/analysis as a means of deconstruction. And rightly so- it is not required . Denial is the key strategy used to maintain the artificial construct that is my personality. If you would look for just one second at your ‘actual’ nature-which is always here- the false judgements/evaluations and projections just wither away. Then-observing without judgement is the natural state- without the creation of some ‘super observer’. This might sound more complicated than it actually is-it’s quite simple really-just try and get one taste of ‘you’ and everything else will be taken care of-no understanding or analysis required. How fantastic is that!

  • Life is about who one is, not about what one possesses (not even about how long one lives or how “happy” one is). One is what one does. What one does is one’s life. A just life is its own reward. Evil is its own punishment. Do no harm, whatever it takes. Nothing else matters.

  • Diarmuid, and how does one get a taste of “you” (and you mean “actual you”, not “you with masks”, and not even a “residual self image”)? I know of ways but they’re pretty complicated and most people haven’t gone there.

    I think the point about judgement applies whether it is false or true. I think humans and many other organisms are constantly evaluating. I think it is judgement of other individuals vs. judgement of actions that are done by them that is the heart of it. I’ve never understood why on the Internet discussions devolve rapidly into judgements of someone, but the rest of society isn’t that much better either. Perhaps it has to do with not being able to see the other person as a person more easily when you are separated by a thin stream of electrons. People new to the Internet are much more likely to fall into this trap than people who’ve been around for a longer time (most get better, and some never learn). This is why the phrase Eternal September was coined:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September

    If it were so simple, the human condition would be better than it is. I agree that once you figure out how to do it is, it does get much easier.

  • the universe is
    not required.
    the bees, perhaps.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=975BjtQ1WPU

  • @ram
    Yes-‘actual you’. There is no ‘how’- the instruction I received was just try and you will succeed. It is you after all that we are talking about-how hard can it be 🙂 one only has to make the effort -as incorrect as that may sound. I have found that it’s not possible to hold attention there but all that is required is the momentary contact. In fact you may not even know that you have succeeded but the outcome is certain once you begin in earnest.

    Observation without judgement is misleading- ones ability to discern wisely becomes more sensitive and obviously not infallible. I liken it to seeing that everything is ‘you’ as a fact and not as some idea-then who is there to judge/project onto? – but even this insight is not required.

    Some clues as to ‘how’- though they may not be helpful. You are ‘here’ unmoving, unchanging, never absent. You have no shape, colour, sound. You are the only ‘thing’ that is inward. There is nothing but you.
    An analogy (and it’s only an analogy) is that you are like the white background without which the text cannot be seen- you are always seeing yourself just unaware of it- that breaks down because you are also the text- but some may find it helpful.

    And it is simple-so simple we have overlooked it in favour of the shiny objects of thought.

  • @ram
    I think we miss it because attention is always looking outward- trying to protect me from danger or trying to get something that will put an end to the unhappiness, the lack -a natural arising within what seems to be a context of existential fearfulness in which the psychology develops. Looking at ‘you’ snuffs out this context. So yes in one sense it feels unnatural to move attention inwards and may seem hard to do initially

  • Diarmuid, I have managed to “see” myself several years ago (I’m 42 now, so between 36-38) due to an act of serendipity I can’t get into, and repeatedly since then, so it’s not hard for me to do it now (I just did it and it’s an awesome feeling). But before that, the last time I recall doing so was a child though there were moments of self recognition here and there. Before that last time, Matrix vaguely had me in its grip and it’s only after that last time I was able to gain control of the process and understand it for what it was. There are many experiences I’ve had that I can talk about like that: that once you’ve done it, there’s no need for explanation on the “how.” But someone who has never done it won’t understand what you’re talking about is my guess.

    That is my experience. I imagine most people grow up firmly part of the Matrix, never even realising they are part of it, or even watching the movie and not realising the allegory. I’d wager that all the stuff you’re saying like “there is nothing but you” would be incomprehensible to them. I think they won’t even make the honest effort you’re asking, just to sit still for a moment and think about themselves.

    Everything is simple once you understand it, but I’d argue it requires being able to do it AND comprehend it for what it is. Very young children are naturally honest and they are just beginning the process of forming their selves, so they could do it easily but explaining what it means, let along encouraging them to keep doing it so they don’t lose themselves to the Matrix, isn’t normally done by parents or in our schools. Even my mother who raised me and taught me to be true to myself probably didn’t understand what she was talking about. The other thing also is that I don’t think it’s easy for people to do when they are caught up fulfilling the lower portions of Maslow’s hierarchy of needs which is where I think most people in the world are. It’s hard to focus on the “real you” when you are hungry, are worried about feeding yourself or your family, worried about paying the bills, including rent/mortgage, your health (which I did issues with from ages 32-36 which involved excruciating pain), and so on.

    I just tried this with my six year old daughter and she said she doesn’t know what I’m talking about and that I’m talking crazy. 🙂 I think however she is able to do it and is able to look at people without judging them and does so, but she doesn’t understand what I’m taking about. So I think the combination of doing it and comprehending it for what it is requires the innocence of a child and (relative) freedom from the Matrix.

  • Ram- I totally hear you. Interesting- I am also 42 and began this when I was 36 with a similar recollection of ‘seeing’ myself when I was a child 🙂 . I too don’t know how to suggest to a person to look at ‘you’ without sounding crazy! I can see why people say nothing and run to the hills- and yet language is really the only tool to share this. I generally say no more than ‘see if you can get a direct taste of what it feels like to be ‘you’ here- what you would call ‘me’.
    What is clear to me is that one successful contact is all that’s needed-after that it will occur by itself for as long as is required. I think the fact that the act repeats is a confirmation of success in itself! I think the analogy of a medicine works quite well- you take it for as long as is needed to cure the disease -(context of fearfulness). Also I might suggest that the ‘looking’ and any accompanying good feelings are not the goal in itself- that the sanity that arises when the disease is cured is the goal
    Agreed- it would seem silly to suggest to someone struggling in poverty etc. and yet it really takes so little and can be done in the midst of any activity or life situation.

    I think comprehension may be required in order to communicate the usefulness/practicality of this but is not necessary to actually perform the act- which is really just a movement of attention. I’m interested in suggestions..

    PS I really enjoy your posts- I always learn something

  • The future is here. And the new word in our global lexicon in the coming decade will be “Climate Change Refugees”. Very interesting but tragic article.

    http://mashable.com/2014/12/04/kiribati-last-generation/

    King Tides are now happening in Kiribati more than 20 times a year. (up from three times per annum a few years ago) and are becoming more frequent.

  • @Guy

    No problem. We’re all going away on the Orion spacecraft. Free at last! Free at last! Great God almighty we’re free at last!

    Everybody knows – Leonard Cohen

  • I don`t want to become religious and stuff but there are things to consider here for sure
    Especially at this stage of knowledge of human extinction etc we might start to consider other venues of existence it might just where all this is trying to direct us all http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq-I4orlEhE

    ” Two primary factors played a role. One was the absolute conviction of the reality basis of what my volunteers apprehended in the DMT state. It was not an hallucination, a dream, or similar to any previous psychedelic drug experience. They couldn’t accept any models that viewed what they had witnessed as anything other than what it appeared to be: a free-standing, objective, external alternate level of reality as real or more so than everyday reality. While the “brain on drugs” model was not outright rejected, it was accepted only with the caveat that the newly reconfigured brain was now able to see this objective external that it was incapable of so doing before. The DMT world was revealed, not generated.”

    So what i wanted to tell was that we just might be picking up on that drug taking experimentation where the 60ties generation have chickened out and of course SEX a lot of sex with everyone around to spread the love .. That chick MIMI ?! Wasn`t That was her name introducing Mr GUY ?! Dude Was she smoking hot !? She did it to me for sure . Are there some CNM (Consensual y non monogamic) people in the doomerscene ? give me a shout ! http://www.alternet.org/sex-amp-relationships/open-relationships-reduce-jealousy-12-surprising-facts-about-non-monogamy?paging=off&current_page=1#bookmark

  • OGForest,

    In which video did Guy quote Katie ____?

    tks in advance.

  • EtyerePetyere –

    I’m not following that comment clearly. “other venues of existence” certainly exist. the main issue here, I think, is as Wren mentions above. it is a much harder issue to grasp than anything else, if you want to take it as seriously as possible: how to love on a dying planet?

    I think it is the only issue that truly matters at this point.

  • Robert Callaghan:

    Could you be so kind as to collect in a post for NBL a list of all the depletion, degradation, disruption, despoilaiion, depauperation and such of the planet that you have detailed in multple sections? It could serve as an important reference if the pertinent references were included.

    In particular, I am lookig for the references to the increasing energy costs of extracting and processing decreasing grades of ores and minerals and some of the associated videos.

  • Try ‘Undying Love’

    ‘Two Steps from Hell – Undying Love’

    But getting back to the effects of catastrophic climate change….

    Typhoon Hagupit (Ruby): Potentially Life-Threatening Landfall Expected in Philippines

    https://weather.com/storms/typhoon/news/super-typhoon-hagupit-ruby-philippines-tacloban

  • Humans have been very smart for a very long time. And that could be interpreted as meaning the current mess has been a very long time in the making.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/homo-erectus-engraving-could-rewrite-human-history-and-might-show-art-began-400000-years-earlier-than-we-knew-9903557.html

  • Robin has a long list of articles on nuclear concerns today (lest we forget):

    Climate change brings threat of sea level rise to nuclear power facilities

    Belgian nuclear crisis continues with fire at Tihange

    75% US Nuclear Plants Leaking Toxic Tritium Radiation Into Drinking Water Supply

    Seismic Faults Pose Risk to California Nuclear Power Plant

    Safety systems shut down Callaway nuclear plant

    Fukushima Daiichi’s: Hidden Crises Radioactive Water NHK Documentary

    Ukraine reports accident at Zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant

    Latest Headlines [from ENE news I believe]

    on the second page he has some climate change news:

    Climate change news – 12/04/2014

    “Now, The New York Times reports, the negotiators’ objective is to stave off atmospheric warming of 4 to 10 degrees Fareinheit, or roughly 2.2 to 5.6 degrees Celsius, by the end of the century, at which point, experts say, Earth may “become increasingly uninhabitable.”

    So there you have it 2 degrees C has been chucked under the bus and we are ‘hoping’ for 5C. At 5C our global food production will have collapsed and we have no ice in the planets thermometer.

    Way before 5C we have massive amounts of methane ejected into the atmosphere to unleash more positive feedback loops.

    Minor qualification to the issue of China and the U.S. agreeing to reductions.

    They have all made these bold statements before and never met them.

    Peru and Paris will go the same way as COP-15.

    –Kevin Hester

  • Linky Winky
    http://motherboard.vice.com/en_ca/blog/there-are-no-substitutes-for-the-metals-in-your-smartphone
    http://theenergycollective.com/barrybrook/471651/catch-22-energy-storage

    http://www.cultureunplugged.com/documentary/watch-online/play/7350/Call-of-Life–Facing-the-Mass-Extinction
    http://www.sfu.ca/pamr/media-releases/2012/study-predicts-imminent-irreversible-planetary-collapse.html
    http://www.chelseagreen.com/bookstore/item/extracted:paperback/videos
    http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/10/making-lots-of-renewable-energy-equipment-doesnt-boost-pollution/
    http://spectrum.ieee.org/green-tech/solar/solar-energy-isnt-always-as-green-as-you-think
    https://e360.yale.edu/feature/boom_in_mining_rare_earths_poses_mounting_toxic_risks/2614/
    http://www.windpowerengineering.com/uncategorized/rare-earths-minerals-used-in-windpower-technology-could-fall-into-short-supply/
    http://www.miningwatch.ca/files/epa_ree_report_dec_2012.pdf

    http://www.eike-klima-energie.eu/news-cache/solarstrom-in-deutschland-klimakiller-nummer-1/
    http://www.nature.com/news/economics-manufacture-renewables-to-build-energy-security-1.15847
    http://www.mining.com/web/peak-copper/
    https://www.amazon.com/Spains-Photovoltaic-Revolution-Investment-SpringerBriefs/dp/144199436X
    http://spectrum.ieee.org/energy/renewables/what-it-would-really-take-to-reverse-climate-change

    http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/how-many-birds-do-wind-turbines-really-kill-180948154/?no-ist
    http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v2/n6/full/nclimate1451.html?WT.ec_id=NCLIMATE-201206
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jul/08/raw-metal-prices-warning-uk-manufacturers-volatility?commentpage=1

    http://notrickszone.com/2014/03/25/analysis-shows-solar-modules-cause-more-greenhouse-gas-emissions-than-modern-coal-power-plants/

  • http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/27760-seeds-of-the-future

    Seeds of the Future

    A handful of farmers and crop scientists are struggling to save the fast diminishing stock of agricultural diversity for the rest of us.

    [begins]

    By now, most Americans know that the world’s rainforests are being cut down at an alarming rate, coral reefs are dying from ocean acidification and warming, and the sea is being overfished to the point of exhaustion. We are in the midst of an unprecedented collapse of biodiversity, the largest extinction event since the dinosaurs disappeared from the earth 65 million years ago.

    But fewer people have heard about another ongoing mass extinction that involves the foods that we eat. More than 75 percent of the fruit and vegetable varieties that humans once consumed have already gone the way of the wooly mammoth and the saber-toothed tiger, according to the UN’s Food and Agriculture Organization. And half of all domesticated animal breeds have been lost in roughly the past century.

    Apple historian Dan Bussey says that of the 20,000 named apple varieties that have been cultivated in North America, only 4,000 remain. Thousands of varieties of rice once flourished in the Philippines. Today, less than 100 varieties survive. And similar numbers could be cited for virtually all of our food crops.

    This massive loss of diversity is – you guessed it – the result of the rapid spread of industrial agriculture and the increasing standardization of the food industry, where unconventional varieties have been squeezed off of supermarket shelves. [read the rest]

  • EtyerePetyere, I don’t care if it’s one person or a hundred, if there is love and respect in the contact, that is all that matters with me. And yes, that means I am open personally to it as well.

    and I am very serious in this when I second Robin Datta’s request to see a post with all this information that Robert has been presenting in one thread of it’s own for reference.

    ” Robin Datta Says:
    December 5th, 2014 at 1:49 am

    Robert Callaghan:

    Could you be so kind as to collect in a post for NBL a list of all the depletion, degradation, disruption, despoilaiion, depauperation and such of the planet that you have detailed in multple sections? It could serve as an important reference if the pertinent references were included.

    In particular, I am lookig for the references to the increasing energy costs of extracting and processing decreasing grades of ores and minerals and some of the associated videos.”

    and also want to state that Guy is indeed improving, which I agree is a shame that he is hitting his stride just as we are hitting the end, am fully in agreement with oldgrowthforest and Jeff that blaming humans as a species instead of the specific culture of empire that is our destruction is a form of social darwinism, and that I am getting a lot out of this entire “conversation” by all participants, both those named and unnamed. This is the most ‘radical’ site on the internet because we have the most radical people posting on it, and I mean radical in the absolute best sense of the word, and I want that too on the record before the lights go out. Living today ..living here now..I am no longer putting off for when I can say it “better” what I want to say today, so am sending out hearts, love, and unicorn farts to all, whether you like it or not, godammit.

  • I did not know that Thom Hartman (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thom_Hartmann) was ‘extinction aware.’

    He first discusses it in his 2013 book: ‘The Crash of 2016: The Plot to Destroy America—and What We Can Do to Stop It’

    and also in a separate 60-page pamphlet ‘The Last Hours of Humanity: Warming the World to Extinction Paperback’ November 20, 2013 (https://www.amazon.com/The-Last-Hours-Humanity-Extinction/dp/1629213640)

    I also found the PDF online here:
    http://lasthours.org/pdf/The_Last_Hours_of_Humanity_Warming_the_World_to_Extin.pdf

    Even though Hartman can conceptualize extinction, he cannot swallow the red pill as his looks for ‘solutions.’

  • unicorn farts unicorn farts
    yea yea yea yea shlurp shlup shlurp!

  • shep, Guy mentions Katie in the Dahr Jamail Truthout interview.

    I don’t want to evaluate you, not even in a “good” way, so I’ll just say, thinking about your essay a few essays back, really Guy, you have one of the more interesting lives and unique jobs here at the end, being a prophet and all. It’s almost as if you were born to do it. Who else is doing what you do? What is more important, more compelling than what is occurring now? Those of us who have accepted NTE are strangled with our grief, because we can almost never speak of it. It makes life surreal in the real sense of that word. Encountering people who are oblivious, who continue with business as usual, not knowing and not wanting to know anything about the real costs of all their desires, the death march they support, believe in, insist upon. In a funny-unfunny way, there is a real zombie apocalypse occurring out there, the walking brain-dead.

  • Why is the mouthy guy preaching about the Church of Euthanasia still alive? Hypocrite.

  • Diarmuid –

    “and yet language is really the only tool to share this.”

    is it?

    if (as a sort of half-broken analogy 🙂 ) I am the “white background without which the text cannot be seen” then this kind of implies that if somehow that white background changes – to a different color? purple, rainbow, pink polka dot, or black? – then the appearance and even the meaning of the text can change as well.

    imagine: “MURDEROUS RAMPAGING ZOMBIES” emblazoned in huge red-black title lettering on a apocalyptic background scene of a burning cityscape – with an erupting volcano and boiling thrown in for further effect.

    now imagine the same words tattooed on the butt of of a pink unicorn.

    same text, way different meanings. just change the background context.

    the question, to me at least, is: how is a pure “white background” useful, and does it really exist? ever?

    what I want to do is break your analogy completely, I suppose. we are the text, but we are some very creative text, and we create the background itself, always, IMO. and we are creating it all together, at once, which just makes it more complicated, and more fun.

  • “boiling lava” as it should be in that creation…

  • Amy Pike! i can just hope you getting this since i was quickly censored of just before i guess . Non monogamic loving relating VS patriarchal controlling exclusively possessing opressive relating is still in the mindset of even this place . Wasnt that what got us into this mess in the first place ? My property, my land, my woman, my children . Congratulations NTHE moderator you are not better than the rest … still my contact Levelektro gmail

  • Seems that this tune is appropriate for NBL:

  • Jeff,

    You wrote: “You present zero ‘research’ of supposed up to date primatology, anthropology and archeology and yet make far reading claims. Your thinking is pure social Darwinism at its worst. Your line of thinking is based upon nothing more than unbacked assertions.”

    Here you make two, badly mistaken claims. If you have an interest in the more up-to-date archaeological and anthropological research I suggest again—as I have many times before over the past month or so—that you give Peter LeBlanc’s book, Constant Battles, and Lawrence Keeley’s War Before Civilization a careful read. (Perhaps you did not see them? Perhaps you don’t remember them?) LeBlanc and Keeley have both spent decades doing anthropological research and they provide very long lists of research references as notes annotated throughout their chapters, as well as extensive bibliographies. Regarding your misunderstanding and misapplication of the concept of social Darwinism, I will refer you to this Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Darwinism . Neither Keeley, LeBlanc, nor I think in social Darwinist terms. Indeed, Keeley specifically attempts to refute social Darwinism with a paragraph on page 158 in War Before Civilization.

    These two paragraphs from Masters of the Planet, The Search For Our Human Origins by Ian Tattersall, Curator of the Spitzer Hall of Human Origins, American Museum of Natural History, further reinforce Keeley and LeBlanc’s (and other’s) central themes:

    “The process that led to the modern human takeover of the Old World—and later of the New World and the Pacific—was not, of course, one of deliberate expeditioneering. Humans almost certainly expanded their ranges largely by simple demographic spread, AS POPULATIONS GREW AND BUDDED OFF NEW GROUPS INTO NEW TERRITORIES. Of course, as local conditions fluctuated, the process would neither have been regular nor inexorable. Tiny populations were certainly washed back and forth by constant climatic and demographic vicissitudes, with numerous local expansions and extinctions. But this didn’t mean that on balance human spread could not occur rapidly; if a human population expanded its range by only ten miles in a generation, this would add up to more than 1,500 miles in a mere 2,500 years, something quite feasible on the time-scale involved. Whatever the details, though, just in itself POPULATION GROWTH on this scale implies that there is something DIFFERENT about these new migrants: namely AN UNPRECEDENTED ABILITY TO INTENSIFY THEIR EXPLOITATION OF THE ENVIRONMENTS AROUND THEM. This fed back into GROWING POPULATIONS, and consequently into FURTHER GEOGRAPHICAL EXPANSION.”

    “This demographic difference is also implicit in the fact that the new Homo sapiens was NOT moving into territory that was virgin for hominids: RELATED SPECIES ALMOST CERTAINLY ALREADY RESIDED IN MANY IF NOT MOST OF THE REGIONS INTO WHICH IT EXPANDED. And the larger pattern their encounters took is clear. When behaviorally modern humans moved into Europe, the behaviorally archaic Neanderthals yielded. [Driven into extinction.] When they moved into southern Asia it was Homo erectus, which flourished equally late in its last redoubt, that promptly disappeared. [Driven into extinction.] The same went, a little later in time, for those unfortunate Hobbits of Flores; and probably also in poorly documented Africa for any other hominids that may have survived the rigors of MIS 4. [Climate Marine Isotope Stage 4; with its even number, a cold period.] There was clearly something SPECIAL about the new invaders. From the very beginning of hominid history, THE WORLD HAD TYPICALLY SUPPORTED SEVERAL DIFFERENT KINDS OF HOMINID AT ONE TIME—sometimes several of them on the very same landscape. In striking contrast, once behaviorally modern humans had emerged from Africa, THE WORLD RAPIDLY BECAME A HOMINID MONOCULTURE. This is surely telling us something very important about ourselves: thoughtlessly or otherwise, WE ARE NOT ONLY ENTIRELY INTOLERANT OF COMPETITION, BUT UNIQUELY EQUIPPED TO EXPRESS AND IMPOSE THAT INTOLERANCE. [As LeBlanc points out, the common chimpanzee commits murder and warfare, but they do not kill very efficiently. We, on the other hand, have the intelligence to produce and use extremely efficient killing tools.] It’s something we might do well to bear in mind as we continue energetically persecuting our closest surviving relatives into extinction. [And all other species as well!]”

    So, early humans quickly and efficiently brought our closest hominid ancestors to extinction, but these same early humans presumably did NOT bring many OTHER species to extinction as well? And, despite ever-growing populations when food became available, they supposedly lived peacefully with each other and they lived in ecological balance with their environments until they invented agriculture 10,000 years ago? Much archaeological and anthropological evidence contradicts those quite illogical conclusions.

    You wrote: “After denying for many years that there was catastrophic climate change, the latest systemic defense is ‘It’s all simply the result of human nature, we are innately destructive to everything around us.’ Thus, no need to change, over the edge at full speed.” I certainly do not reason in that way, and I have never heard anyone make this claim. But I suppose some people may think that way. It seems to me that accepting the near certainty that humans, from our beginnings, have proven innately unable to control our population, innately destructive to the environment that we and all other life depend on for our lives, and as a result of population expansion and environmental degradation we have remained chronically at war with each other, does NOT imply “no need to change, over the edge at full speed” as you suggest! Perhaps it implies this to you and to some others, but it certainly does NOT imply that to me. As Jared Diamond wrote in The Third Chimpanzee, “The past was a Golden Age, of ignorance, while the present is an Iron Age of willful blindness.” To me, understanding the past as accurately as possible—NOT avoiding and denying it by insisting on an alleged nobility, peacefulness, and ecological sophistication of most early humans that almost certainly did not exist, because thinking that way helps us to feel good about ourselves—suggests ways that we need to resist and change that will more likely lead to positive, long-term results compared with resistance and changes that we might make based on avoidance and DENIAL of our history and fundamental nature. It seems obvious to me that resistance and changes we might make based on avoidance and denial of much of our history and of our fundamental nature would most likely lead to ineffective changes, and to continuing, destructive behaviors.

    You wrote: “My stance remains that resistance is the only ethical response, regardless of the odds.” I agree with this completely and enthusiastically. Nothing Keeley, LeBlanc, Tattersall, I (and many others) have written regarding the fundamental nature of humans, complexity theory, and nonequilibirium thermodynamics suggests otherwise, even though the evidence related to global heating, ecological and nuclear collapse, and the irreversible nature of complex systems makes it clear that it has now almost certainly become too late for us to stop the ecological global catastrophe and our annihilation now well underway, much less reverse these processes.

    It seems to me that within these resistance and dying processes we have many important personal choices to make. One of them involves this question: Do we wish to live our remaining days, and die, largely experiencing self-righteous blame, scapegoating, anger, rage, guilt, and/or shame; or would we prefer to live and die with a sense of peace and deep acceptance of ourselves—complete with all of our weaknesses and fallibilities—after working THROUGH our anger, rage, and grief? I prefer the latter agenda. Many people surely prefer the former one.

  • @ Robert Callaghan Says:
    December 5th, 2014 at 6:28 am

    Even though I wasn’t the one asking, I greatly and sincerely thank you for posting that collection of links and videos! Pretty damn impressive stuff for someone claiming to be just a “lawn mower.” Can we tell you by the way you walk? 😉 Of course, given the content of your earlier comments, expecting “less” would have been a mistake. I tip my cap to you, sir!

  • @Robert
    Thank you for the links. This might be of interest PIELC 2014: The False Solutions of Green Energy -…: https://youtu.be/ujmouUY_WyA

    @ mo flow

    Scrap the analogy altogether! It was an attempt to point in the direction of where to move your attention. Consider the possibility that the only thing you are absolutely certain of is the fact that you ‘are’- that you exist. What makes you so certain of that? What makes it impossible for you to deny that? I invite you to move the beam of your attention to that certainty just for one second without any regard to understanding and see what happens 🙂

  • ” Those of us who have accepted NTE are strangled with our grief, because we can almost never speak of it. It makes life surreal in the real sense of that word. Encountering people who are oblivious, who continue with business as usual, not knowing and not wanting to know anything about the real costs of all their desires, the death march they support, believe in, insist upon. In a funny-unfunny way, there is a real zombie apocalypse occurring out there, the walking brain-dead.”

    Wow, OMG, OGF! I’m in awe! Totally awesome!

    _____________________________________

    Ode To Amy

    Life is so full of stops and starts,
    Some bad, some good, some golden hearts.
    Amy will say…
    “Love finds a way.”
    Hey look! Here comes a UNICORN FART!

    Thanks Amy! And thanks for being radical with us here on NBL!

  • “THE WORLD RAPIDLY BECAME A HOMINID MONOCULTURE”

    let me check with my neanderthal DNA on that one… whoops, looks like great (…) great grandma wasn’t quite as intolerant as she let on. (Euro ancestry here, btw…)

    http://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/neanderthal/

    Some scientists have suggested modern humans outcompeted or outright killed the Neanderthals. But the new genetic evidence provides support for another theory: Perhaps our ancestors made love, not war, with their European cousins, and the Neanderthal lineage disappeared because it was absorbed into the much larger human population.

    Even though Neanderthals and Denisovans are both extinct, modern humanity may owe them a debt of gratitude. A 2011 study by Stanford University researchers concluded that many of us carry ancient variants of immune system genes involved in destroying pathogens that arose after we left Africa. One possibility is that these gene variants came from other archaic humans.

    and like so many other things with this kind of research, this is qualified with a “may” because it is not conclusive as to just what happened. only some evidence that is consistent with the admixture hypothesis. it was likely extremely complicated.

    and that, I think, is part of the problem with the way you make your point, Bud: you keep trying to stuff things into black and white conclusions. and even things like this:

    Do we wish to live our remaining days, and die, largely experiencing self-righteous blame, scapegoating, anger, rage, guilt, and/or shame; or would we prefer to live and die with a sense of peace and deep acceptance of ourselves—complete with all of our weaknesses and fallibilities—after working THROUGH our anger, rage, and grief?

    if only it were so black and white!

    I have a sense of peace about these things precisely because I am totally comfortable with the true lack of clarity about exactly “what happened” and what “was responsible.” part of our fallibility is thinking we know, and can be certain about things – when we are, in truth, very far from certain.

    we are, in fact, constantly making the mistake of believing ourselves strong (or certain, or clear) where we are weak (and uncertain and unclear), and weak where we are in fact strong (and could actually have a great deal more clarity and certainty if we tried).

    I am very clear that I have played many roles, right across the spectrum, during my personal journey to “here, now.” in one flash of memory during my experience of total multi-lifetime recall, I was traipsing through the jungles of South America, not as an archeologist or anything “benign,” but as a cheerful exploiter – I was part of some very non-native operation involved in the early exploitation of the oil reserves in the most pristine jungle imaginable. we were drilling, as enthusiastically as you could imagine, exploratory wells – and we were successful – my memory was a vivid high point during of one of our best finds.

    and as far as I can tell, this must have been a fairly recent lifetime, as the rigs were rather 19th or early 20th century feeling.

    I own responsibility for that kind of thing, and who knows how many other atrocities, murders, and god knows what else – my memory experience at that time was not detailed enough for an exact inventory – it was a completely holistic thing, a thousand things happening at once.

    and I am totally fine with it all.

    Total Reality is complex beyond all conception. each one of us, alone, is a walking universe of deep history, responsibility, joy, shame, guilt, remorse, love and essentially endless creativity. that’s our true nature. and then combine that with our interactions, and histories, with who knows how many other beings, and we have a real stew indeed.

    for the scientific (archeological, anthropological) argument – if we had a few thousand more years to carefully piece together many more details of exactly how “pre-programmed” – or not – we were for the outcome we have now, I would be a lot more confident about the conclusions. we are nowhere near that level of scientific certainty, IMO.’

    Diarmuid –

    consider it scrapped! 🙂 I love your approach. this gets to something I was discussing with Ram via email recently – my personal take on the Sartre quote “existence precedes essence.”

    Consider the possibility that the only thing you are absolutely certain of is the fact that you ‘are’- that you exist. What makes you so certain of that? What makes it impossible for you to deny that?

    your approach here is exactly in harmony with how I think about this, and the spirit, I think, of Sartre’s quote.

    this is exactly why I consider this kind of approach so fundamental. existence does precede essence. understanding just how that works unlocks the doorway. and it is both very easy and very very hard. paradox everywhere. but it works just via the experience, so that is always enough.

    Kirk – your Ode to Amy is freaking awesome.

    (apologies for the overpost)

  • This from mo flow, “Total Reality is complex beyond all conception. each one of us, alone, is a walking universe of deep history, responsibility, joy, shame, guilt, remorse, love and essentially endless creativity. that’s our true nature. and then combine that with our interactions, and histories, with who knows how many other beings, and we have a real stew indeed.”

    We’re a stew alright, mo flo! Stirred by that great spoon in the sky!

  • What kind of a twisted logic is this !? My first post toward Amy Pike was censored but the 2nd by wich i was calling it wasn`t . Thats brave. No it is cowardly . You want to make it right post the first one also . Don`t try to hide behind not publishing it . Just come out nicely by posting it you will admit the mistake also thus the discussion here becomes more authentic .

  • EtyerePetyere, nobody is censoring you. None of your comments have been edited, censored, or removed.

  • Thank you, Robert Callahan, for the post, I must have been writing/posting myself since I missed it. Either that or I was basking in all the returned love! And the limerick was epic, I am now immortalized, and in style. I only wish I had something as witty or pithy to say as the other comments here, but am deeply grateful that I am in incredibly good company, among those who are fully cognizant of what lies ahead, and facing it.

  • Maximum warming occurs about one decade after a carbon dioxide emission

    Well, that’s the latest. Don’t know whether they’ve reconciled it with the paleoclimate stories of a 70+ foot higher sea level and a 4°C+ higher temperature with a 400 ppm CO2.

  • Why Am I Painting the Living Room by Lou and Peter Berryman


    LouandPeter’s channel

  • It Was maybe a tech glitch .. Well good to know thanx . My bad . Maybe not. in german we say; “Der Technik Ist ein Hund” like tech is a dog .. means unreliable . anyway to make it all right just found a pleasurable way to commit suic2ide the guy actually mentions it as a way to controll overpopulation among other things https://vimeo.com/23040442

  • The ‘shock’ resignation comes as no surprise to those of us who know what has been going on at NPDC.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/63893223/Houwers-out-Harry-holds-hat

    With NPDC having documented established for corruption, lies, and ineptitude, anyone who is not a corrupt idiot has no place.

  • Collapse is excruciatingly noticeable. Systemic dysfunction dismay has been bubbling up globally. Official violence unrestrained by morality or justice blatantly applied to hold the line for the privileged – just a little longer. Status quo beneficiaries are feeling threatened by the rumble of the rabble. More kids are choked and shot dead by those ostensibly hired to keep the peace. Outrage and indignation is so timelessly righteous… but time is running out. Eco-social collapse is impacting with heavy momentum, there shall be no peace for anyone. Techno patches won’t fix the rot. Buffers are nearly played out, next: phase change.

    Mass extinctions occurred on Earth before. But none were ever caused by a combination of intelligence and dexterity. Perhaps this outcome is par for the course in the universe. Unintegrated intelligence is an inherently dangerous phenomenon. In this case we side stepped and short circuited complex dynamic systems which we depended on. Not smart. We’re barely smart enough to outsmart ourselves. The next phase around here won’t include us. Or other complex life for a while, if ever again.

    More dreadful than smarts however, is our poor emotive and intuitive responsiveness to the suffering. That’s the greatest disgrace, the worst betrayal, the factor that alienates us the most – from our humanity. No wonder there are killers on the loose.

  • I got interrupted while composing that last comment and it contains shocking sentence construction. But I’m sure you get the idea.

    Sherril George, said she would not be seeking re-election. “No thank you, not at this point in time,” she said.

    “That council is so damn dysfunctional at the moment that they should all resign and stand again. Including the mayor.”

    As logspirit has noted, the wheels are falling off almost everything official or mainstream.

    I encountered the woman who was in charge of presentations at Puke Ariki when Guy spoke there in 2012, and pointed out what Guy had said was happening, and also that the local economy is looking very sick, with 4 boondoggles due to completion in 2015. And nothing else in the pipeline. Her response: “Maybe people can go to Christchurch to find work.” (earthquake rebuild).

    A friend of mine suggested yesterday that NZ needs another big earthquake to provide employment and boost the economy -preferably in Wellington (which sits on a major fault-line, and is the seat of government).

  • the monkey trap is a good analogy, but i doubt very much it is true. i’ve no experience of monkeys apart from the human variety (and as much as id want of that species, tbh) but from observation, animals of far lesser intellect than monkeys that are dealing with food (such as a blackbird eating a worm) will immediately drop the food item and flee when approached by a human. the same with squirrels at a nut feeder, a hawk with a heavy prey item, or a fox at a roadkill. even many insects have the ability place fleeing or hiding from immediate danger above feeding.

  • [randomly picked incidents from a few days ago, all c/o JJFH]

    2014-12-04 – Man writes something on van then decapitates himself with rope and van on street in Dallas (Texas)

    Quote: “CBS DFW reports the man’s head was thrown from the van, landing in the street.”

    2014-12-04 – Callaway Nuclear Generating Station experiences sudden shutdown, electrical problem, near Fulton (Missouri)

    2014-12-04 – Major power outage hits Quebec (Canada), 188,000 homes go dark

    2014-12-04 – Crocodile attacks and kills man at Lake Panic in Kruger National Park (South Africa)

    “Note: When they talk about ‘hazards’ at THIS golf course, they really mean it!”

    2014-12-04 – Woman, 47, walks down street with knife, mumbling, randomly stabs two men in coastal New Orleans (Louisiana)

    2014-12-04 – Man, 24, jumps from vehicle, acts irrational, runs off, next seen dead near Kincaid (West Virginia)

    Quote: “Plumley’s friends said he jumped from a vehicle, began acting irrational and then ran into the woods.”

    2014-12-04 – Man has ‘medical emergency’, car veers over centerline, hits car head-on, on Niagara Falls Boulevard in Amherst (New York), 1 killed, 1 injured

    Quote: “Investigators believe Peters may have had a medical emergency prior to the crash. Police said the driver of the other vehicle, Nicole Keefe, 38, was rushed to Erie County Medical Center in Buffalo with serious injuries. Niagara Falls Boulevard between North Ellicott Creek Road and Creekside Drive was shut down in both directions for more than three hours.”

    Quote: “There are reports of another accident nearby on Niagara Falls Boulevard, less than an hour after the two-car crash.”

    2014-12-04 – Garbage bursts into flame in garbage truck in Lafayette (Louisiana)

    2014-12-04 – Hundreds of thousands of mussels wash ashore at Robberg Beach (South Africa)

    2014-12-04 – Hundreds of thousands of salmon die in Chile, blamed on algae

    2014-12-04 – Girl, 16, and horse die near canal near Falcon Cove Middle School in Weston (Florida), near the coast

    2014-12-04 – Two piles of scrap burst into flame at 3:30 AM outside scrap metal business in Sioux City (Iowa)

    2014-12-04 – Home destroyed by explosion and fire near the East River, in Oakvale (West Virginia), nobody there

    2014-12-04 – Home destroyed by explosion and fire in Alliance (Nebraska), 1 killed, 1 injured

    Quote: “A tank storing propane near the home was intact. ‘I have been doing this (firefighting) for 26-27 years,’ Shoemaker said. ‘I have seen a lot, but this has to be the most destructive thing I have personally witnessed as a firefighter. … I have never seen anything like this before.'”

    2014-12-04 – Woman killed when her clothing ignites at assisted living center in Winchester (Massachusetts)

    Quote: “The woman suffered serious burns after her clothing ignited, but there was little fire in the apartment itself, they said.”

    “Note: Another person burning to death. Two girls, ages 15 and 17, were found burned and dead the day prior too, mentioned in the 2014-12-03 update. Lots of people have been mysteriously burning to death, especially in the last year. Clothes are getting contaminated.

    2014-12-04 – Electrical power plant damaged by fire at 5 AM near Beulah (North Dakota)

    These are just a random assortment of the fires that happened on this day. All of these types of fires are escalating and have been for some time…”

    Hey Amy, welcome to the beach of doom!

  • from seemorerocks today (corroborating the above):

    http://robinwestenra.blogspot.co.nz/2014/12/ameg-press-conference-on-methane.html

    AMEG press conference on the methane emergency [with link]

    “THIS is the most IMPORTANT video I will ever share on my timeline.”

    “We have now been told by mainstream media just within the last couple of days that without intervention we/our kids/our grandchildren will not be able to survive. This is happening NOW, it is not some far-off prediction, it is NOW.”

    [it’s too late for any ‘intervention’ to provide amelioration]

  • andyuk: OK, I agree with what you say about those other animals but humans aren’t that smart. We are the monkeys that won’t let go. Just watch.

  • A little over 700 million registered cars in the world.
    Here are some examples of where these 700 million cars are registered.

    United States 119 million
    Japan 58 million
    Germany 42 million
    Italy 37 million
    China 35 million
    Russia 35 million
    France 31 million
    United Kingdom 31 million
    Thailand 28 million
    Brazil 26 million
    Spain 22 million
    Mexico 21 million
    Canada 20 million
    Poland 17 million
    India 13 million
    South Korea 13 million
    Australia 12 million
    South Africa 5 million
    Switzerland 4 million
    Saudi Arabia 4 million
    New Zealand 3 million
    Iran 3 million
    Ireland 2 million
    Israel 2 million
    Slovenia 1 million
    Afghanistan 600,000
    Ecuador 300,000
    VietNam 170,000
    Papua New Guinea 38,000
    Vanuatu 9,000
    Central African Republic 2,000

    I hate cars. I did love seeing those automobiles in flames in Ferguson. Don’t eve care if the cops set the fire. It gladdened my heart almost as much as seeing all those SUV on fire in Oregon too many years ago.

    These presentations on the videos above are great. However, I have one caveat. I totally disagree with the proposition that “There is no blame.”

    From where I sit, well outside the circus, there is plenty of blame to go around, including myself, my family, my closest friends. We can go back to early capitalist Europe, and the English enclosure movement, the invasion, plunder and destruction of Africa, the industrial revolution (which really just counts as a kind of organizational revolution in human slavery), Adam Smith’s psychotic and delusional writings, colonization and genocide of the western hemisphere and the rest of the world, domination psychology, a social construction based on de-humanizing racism and super-exploitation, european religious and philosophical ideology, and within my lifetime the existence and continuation of the USA and all that entails. This has nothing to do with a 40 year lag.

    “There is no blame,” coming out of anyone,even the most well-in intentioned in the united states is like a 5 year old kid holding a bloody knife in his hands with the dog’s head cut off and the kid saying point blank “I didn’t do it.” Word to home base. You did it. I don’t really care how much grief counseling you need. I don’t care how far you want to bend the rationalizations to pretend to some kind of absolution. There ain’t any.

    I sincerely think that euro-settler colonial, especially caucasoid people, need to own their complicity; and institutional and cultural responsibility. Acknowledge the damage and absolute horror they (we) have wrecked on the world – and not use imminent NTE as a convenient excuse to claim that nothing you do now matters, that all we in the west can or should do is sit on our asses and narcissistically enjoy our last 15 minutes while the rest of the world suffocates or is roasted alive in terror. That attitude, to my mind is absolutely reactionary – and just another day in the office of the destroyer machine culture.

    There is blame. There is a hell of a lot of blame. And pretending otherwise only re-enables the worst of humanity going forward. Acknowledging culpability and it’s concomitant necessary actions could make the difference between 4-6 degree temperature rise from baseline, and the complete and utter final inferno of 16 degrees or more. But why the hell should any privileged bubble world westerner care when the entire world can be kept at arm’s length with four magic words: “There is no blame”??

  • Wester:
    “These presentations on the videos above are great. However, I have one caveat. I totally disagree with the proposition that “There is no blame.”

    From where I sit, well outside the circus, there is plenty of blame to go around, including myself, my family, my closest friends. We can go back to early capitalist Europe, and the English enclosure movement, the invasion, plunder and destruction of Africa, the industrial revolution (which really just counts as a kind of organizational revolution in human slavery), Adam Smith’s psychotic and delusional writings, colonization and genocide of the western hemisphere and the rest of the world, domination psychology, a social construction based on de-humanizing racism and super-exploitation, european religious and philosophical ideology, and within my lifetime the existence and continuation of the USA and all that entails. This has nothing to do with a 40 year lag.

    “There is no blame,” coming out of anyone,even the most well-in intentioned in the united states is like a 5 year old kid holding a bloody knife in his hands with the dog’s head cut off and the kid saying point blank “I didn’t do it.” Word to home base. You did it. I don’t really care how much grief counseling you need. I don’t care how far you want to bend the rationalizations to pretend to some kind of absolution. There ain’t any.

    I sincerely think that euro-settler colonial, especially caucasoid people, need to own their complicity; and institutional and cultural responsibility.”

    Just how many inhabitants of England had control of the Enclosure movement? In fact, the vast majority of them were greatly screwed by it. Same re the ensuing industrial revolution, which followed the imposition of capitalism in the countryside, of which the Enclosures were a key factor. You are assigning the guilt for the sins of the elite onto the entire population of Europe, and that’s nonsense.

    Bud Nye: you are merely presenting some opinions. Again, other anthropologists such as Richard Lee refute these notions very well, and he’s someone who has been out on the “front lines,” doing research with indigenous people. Likewise Pierre Clastres, I too can post screenfuls of quotes, but won’t bother.

  • wester.

    You are absolutely right. of course there is blame. All along the way since the first ‘civilisations’ the bulk of humanity has been exploited, manipulated and lied to by psychotic sociopaths who climbed their way to the top by trampling on others or were born into position of privilege.

    The Earth isn’t dying, it’s being murdered. And the people who are murdering it have names and addresses. Societies are not drifting towards disaster, they are being driven towards disaster. And the people who are driving society towards disaster have names and addresses.

    The chaos that is ensuing both across New Zealand and locally can be attributed to particular people who lied in order to obtain or maintain power, i.e. John Key and Andrew Judd, and before them a multitude of others.

    It is all summed up by the word BETRAYAL. In the US, Obama BETRAYED all those who voted for him, of course. Right now Andrew Judd is misleading the people of Taranaki and Barack Obama is misleading the people of America. Both have the choice not to mislead. And both reject that option and continue to mislead. I do not accept the stance that they are blameless because they do not know what they are doing. I cannot speak for Barack Obama, but I do know that Andrew Judd deliberately deceived both me and the people who supported him during his electoral campaign. The series of U-turns on practically everything disgusts us.

    BETRAYAL is a deliberate act, and is not a blameless act. And right now, people like Andrew Judd are BETRAYING their own children, constantly acting against their own children’s best interests. Judd knows we are in a post peak oil world, in the early stages of abrupt climate change, and operating a Ponzi economic system, and that the effect of continuing business-as-usual will be utterly disastrous. So what does he promote? Business-as-usual, even as it all falls apart.

    I wasn’t going to mention it, but now you have raised the matter, there is no 40 year time lag, and I had a long discussion with Robert Atack on the matter a couple of days ago.

    The effect of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is instantaneous. The moment a carbon dioxide molecule absorbs a photon of infrared radiation headed towards space it re-emits it. It does not store the energy for 40 years before re-emitting it. The moment a packet of energy re-radiated downwards from the ‘blanket’ hits the Earth it has an effect. It may be absorbed by the deep ocean or contribute to phase change of ice, but the effect is immediate, not 40 years hence.

    The effect of carbon dioxide is both instantaneous and cumulative.

    Robert argued that Guy cannot use words like instantaneous and cumulative because ordinary people do not understand such words. I discussed the matter with Sue at the library research centre yesterday, and she told me she understands what instantaneous and cumulative means.

    Anyway, back to Robert Atack, who asked me what the correct term was (Robert always describes himself as a 4th-form drop-out). I suggested thermal lag, which Robert argued was the same as a time lag, which led to the analogy of a supertanker headed for a port at 30kph; the propellers need to be put into reverse long before the ship reaches its destination because it has such massive momentum. By the same token, it takes a long time to get a supertanker up to speed, even though the propellers are having an effect from the moment they start turning, the concept of inertia. So then I suggested that thermal inertia might be a better term than thermal lag.

    I presented another analogy, that of a cricket ball held above the earth. As long as there is a force holding it in place ( a balancing foce0 it remains stationary, But the moment the force is removed the ball starts to accelerate towards the earth at 9.81m/sec2. Every second it is free to fall it increases its speed by approximately 10m/s. If the ball falls on your head from a height of half a metre you will fell pain; if the ball falls on your head from 100 metres it will kill you. The longer the ball falls the more dangerous it becomes.

    We are feeling the effect of the shift in CO2 from normal levels right now and the effect will increase with time. Five years from now the effect will be even more disastrous than it is now.

    If the ’40 year time lag’ came from James Hansen I am quite happy to argue the point with him. After all, James Hansen is not infallible and for a long time was advocating construction of nuclear reactors to save us from climate disaster, perhaps not thinking about the fact that, apart from all the horrors associated with nuclear technology, nuclear technology is not emissions-free and all the construction and decommissioning stages generate CO2 emissions, as does operating a grid system.

  • @Tom

    Thanks for the link. Also went to the ameg.me site where they offer more detail.

    Overall, I was surprised by the emotionality. (Then again, when thinking about the future of your children there is always emotionality.)

    More specifically, I was concerned about the reference to food riots in the press conference and in the second part of this statement:

    “9. The profound economic, social, security and political impacts of the abrupt climate change, being witnessed as an escalation of climate extremes and crop failures, must be addressed. The underlying price of food as indicated by the food price index is already above the crisis level, leading to the food riots we have observed in several countries where income is insufficient to buy daily needs.”

    Discussing the ‘price’ of food in a Western government controlled fiat currency system provides an avenue of attack for climate deniers since other factors such as inflation and international trade balance can be used to obfuscate the basic issue. However, it has been shown that once cost of food takes over 30-40% of income, riots begin.

    How often to you get to hear a scientist say “All hell will break loose”? Annual 6cm (~2.5″) sea rise! Chaotic weather patterns! Oh, and the 200 ocean-liner-size catamarans shooting salted water vapor into the atmosphere!?! (Those tall stacks do not look like they would take much in a gale.)

  • @ kevin moore Says:
    December 6th, 2014 at 11:57 am

    Spot-on, mate, with every, single word!!

  • kevin –

    “The Earth isn’t dying, it’s being murdered.”

    fair point. then the question becomes:

    “how to love on planet that has been fatally stabbed, and is bleeding to death?”

    how?

    Wester –

    yes, there is blame.

    “Acknowledging culpability and it’s concomitant necessary actions”

    what actions?

  • “Guy McPherson is telling us we’re going extinct very soon and informs us there’s nothing we can do about it.”

    but socialism may be the answer? changing the tax code? how is a 100% refundable to the people carbon tax going to be of help when there is no economic activity to tax? none.

    I accept Guy’s premise. I think the argument is sound.

    whether we technically go extinct by around 2030, everything that exists about our “current arrangement” is going extinct.

  • Jeff,

    If you will refer me to some links to papers Richard Lee has written, or refer me to a book he has written, one or all of which presumably “absolutely shreds” the evidence and reasoning that Keeley, LeBlanc, and Tattersall present in their books that I have mentioned, I would greatly enjoy reading Lee’s arguments and comparing them with Keeley’s, LeBlanc’s, and Tattersall’s evidence and reasoning.

  • Hi Diarmuid, I hope you saw my message in the forum, but I’m posting it again here since I exceeded the two post count for that day:

    Diarmuid, yeah, so the interesting question for me to ask you is what happened between the time you were 36 and you were a child – the time you didn’t easily see “you” for who you were. I agree that once you do it, it’s easy and simple to do it again. I am also not sure whether being able to do it truly frees you from not judging other people. I still have had to hold myself back now and then during moments of weakness (on my part) and while I was pretty nonjudgemental before, I’ve gotten better as a result, and also better able to recognise it when I am doing it, and forgiving myself and others more easily.

    I think without comprehension, a young person has no motivation to continue doing it. I narrated the experience with my younger daughter. I’d like to get her to make an habit of doing this so she doesn’t forget but I’m not having much luck (at this moment she does it so naturally that it doesn’t seem needed). But I also would appreciate suggestions. I will try this on my 15 year old as well.

    I also enjoy your posts.

    To both you and mo flow, yeah, Diarmuid did disclaim his analogy but I also agree that I don’t think as analogies go that it works for me personally. But I agree with Diarmuid that seeing yourself is incredibly easy to do, and doing so is important to wake up from the Matrix. I’d use an analogy like “picture yourself naked without any labels, language, etc.” which to me means “picture your self.” This gets to mo flow reference to Sartre, existence precedes essence. So with that it means “picture your essence.” Find your essence and you will be awake. Diarmuid’s advice of using this to remain awake for as long as needed is sound. It works I think.

    Regarding the Sartrean quote, the idea of which originated from Kierkegaard, from the Wikipedia entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence_precedes_essence

    “To existentialists, human beings—through their consciousness—create their own values and determine a meaning for their life because, in the beginning, the human being does not possess any inherent identity or value. By posing the acts that constitute him or her, he or she makes his or her existence more significant.[2][3]”

    The above is also my interpretation, and for me, that quote is interpreted with what everyone from Hegel to Kant to Marx said. The latter I think addresses what Kevin Moore and Jeff are saying. Philosophy without action is idealism, a form of intellectual masturbation. So people need to act. The right actions even if we’re about to become extinct matter. They don’t have to accomplish anything. Guy is the messenger on this forum and has compiled a trove of information that validates what Limits to Growth presented with modelling the year I was born.

    So put it all together: what Hegel, Kant, Kiekegaard, Nietzsche, Sartre, and Marx said, along with what Limits to Growth and Guy have presented.

    Otherwise we should do what Pat says. Why bother living if we’re all going to become extinct anyway?

  • Bud Nye, get serious, that’s like asking for directions to books by Marx. His main research has been amongst the Kung San and the people of the Kalahari. Start there.

  • Tom

    Your list suggests you may be asking for anyone to connect the dots, no?
    Do you have a theory? (Was it put on an earlier post I missed?)

    Are you suggesting the spontaneous combustion events are a result of a rouge high energy beam satellite incorrectly tasked, warming up and misfiring, or something in the range of testing it with impunity on structures and lifeforms so to get the calibrations correct?

    Anyone got a theory?

    Amy

    Unicorn farts…?

    Very sassy kinda love, girl?
    By all means clear a little patch and share a coconut smoothie here on the Beach of Doom.
    Love ya posts.

    Some light listening for Amy:
    (From the 80’s songbook…)

    ‘GTR – When The Heart Rules The Mind’

    ‘Yes – Love Will Find A Way’

    or the earlier song by the same name:

    Pablo Cruise ‘Love Will Find A Way Live’

    Love will always find a way,(IMHO) but subjectively to the Absolute.
    ( 😉 )

    But, love may not find a way for those in the destruction path in the Philippines presently, (sober up):

    ‘Typhoon Hagupit Makes Landfall in Philippines as 1 Million Flee’

    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/weather/typhoon-hagupit-makes-landfall-philippines-1-million-flee-n262951

    Spare a thought for every living thing that dies today…. see how long that takes out of your day, then spare a thought for Superman looking down on (mostly North Merika) hearing and feeling all the Chaos of Ego concerns:

    http://www.badastronomy.com/pix/movies/superman_cape.jpg

    Where is Superman now?
    😉

  • “Barack Obama is misleading the people of America”

    His middle name ain’t a secret. They’re gettin’ what they asked for. Caveat emmeffing emptor!

    Global oceanic thermal buffering has never implied any delay in the onset in the physical mechanism of the greenhouse effect.

    “Your” is not you: one there is no stepping outside oneself as long as the mirage of “I” is maintained. “Your essence” or “your whatever” is not “you”. The seer is never the seen.

    As has been said in several traditions, there is no shortcut. One aspect of the solution was described as “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God”.

  • 2014-12-05 – Sewage and water treatment plant burns in the Maldive Islands, 100,000 people without water, emergency declared

    Quote: “The Maldives, famous for its pristine beaches and scuba diving, has declared a state of emergency after a fire at the capital’s sole water sewage treatment plant led to a shortage of drinking water in the Indian Ocean archipelago. The Maldives has appealed for aid from India, Sri Lanka, the US and China. About 100,000 people in Malé, the capital, have been left without safe tap water, according to Mohamed Shareef, a government minister.”

    2014-12-05 – Only store in town destroyed by fire in 2 AM in coastal Kivalina (Alaska)

    Quote: “A fire destroyed the only store in the Northwest Alaska village of Kivalina on Friday morning. Alaska State Troopers said in a dispatch they received reports at 2 a.m. Friday that the volunteer fire department was responding to a fire in the Kivalina Native Store.”

    Quote: “Swan said the store is the only source of general products for people in the community. While many live off of subsistence foods, it was the only place to purchase things like diapers, formula and milk. ‘It’s a major loss,’ she said.”

    “Note: Here are a couple of fires that have seriously affected the lives of numerous people, one because freshwater is no longer available to the residents and the other because it was the only place in the area to purchase important consumer products. As the fires and explosions around the world continue to escalate, there will be more fires just like these, grinding away at human civilization. Also note the locations: coast on an island, and coast in Alaska…”

    2014-12-05 – In separate incidents, two vans burst into flame while parked at home, and car bursts into flame on Ackerman Avenue, in Glen Rock (New Jersey)

    2014-12-05 – Car bursts into flame, traps man, on road in Delhi (India), man rescued, 1 injured

    Quote: “Ram Sajeevan, who was driving the car, parked the vehicle on roadside and tried to get out but the central locking system malfunctioned. He called out for help after which locals and a traffic cops opened the door and pulled him out of the car during which he suffered burns. The car soon burst into flames.”

    2014-12-05 – Endangered Puget Sound killer whale, possibly pregnant, found dead near coastal Vancouver Island (Canada)

    Quote: “Its death is troubling, said marine mammal researchers from the Vancouver Aquarium, as it marks the fourth recent death in the endangered southern resident population.”

    2014-12-05 – Hundreds of sea turtles washing ashore sick or dead at beaches in coastal Cape Cod (Massachusetts)

    2014-12-05 – Water buffalo goes on rampage, attacks people and cars in city in Sichuan Province (China), 14 injured

    2014-12-05 – Wild boar attacks and injures woman in yard at home in Adhivarahapuram (India)

    2014-12-05 – Unidentified odor sickens 60 children in coastal Brooklyn (New York)

    2014-12-05 – Huge blue flash seen near Polevskoi (Russia)

    2014-12-05 – Two-headed baby born in Atlanta (Georgia)

    The daily list of incidents (c/o JJFH) is beginning to read like The Sun or some other tabloid newspapers, but these are actually occurring every day and are in the mainstream news.

  • M^3: following up on your reply above

    http://robinwestenra.blogspot.co.nz/2014/12/discussion-of-geoengineering.html

    Discussion of geoengineering

    “There has been a lot of discussion about geoengineering since yesterday’s AMEG press conference – whether we should, whether we shouldn’t. [more]”

    Geoengineering Won’t Fix Climate Change, Researchers Say
    Ecowatch [link at site]

    [followed by video of Clive Hamilton 26 min interview on Democracy Now and another 1.5 hr video of symposium including C.H.]

    if you have the time.

  • Let’s Fight!
    Trolls! We Create, They Spoil, and We Fight Back!
    by ANDRE VLTCHEK

    Good article on trolls. ^

  • “There is no blame.”

    Whether or not their is blame … there is guilt.

    But victims are not the guilty ones in a just system (Choose Your Trances Carefully – 2).

  • I’ve posted new video clips from Chico. Catch them here.

  • Yes, “Live now.” But as Guy McPherson points out, the sociopaths themselves are already doing that. So really, for what it’s worth, the whole message (usually left unsaid, and only perhaps implied) is,
    – live now
    – respect ALL of life
    – do no harm (stop doing harm/causing suffering for other living things)
    – make the time left cruelty-free
    (as opposed to, live now in total, self-indulgent abandon at the expense of every other living thing).

    A just life is its own reward.
    Evil (causing suffering) is its own punishment.
    It is always time to be ethical, to live/act ethically.