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I was interviewed by Michael Welch for the Global Research News Hour on Friday, 12 December 2014. Read the description and listen to the interview here. The interview begins about seven minutes into the broadcast.
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Catch McPherson here for an interview Friday, 19 December 2014 at 9:00 p.m. Pacific (midnight on the east coast). It’ll be archived, too.

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This week’s show will be broadcast Tuesday, 16 December. It will include an extensive interview with climate scientist Paul Beckwith.

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  • @artleads

    GMO and Monsanto Roundup: Glyphosate Weedkiller in our Food and Water?

    5 minutes to twelve. The glyphosate is in the rhizosphere man. How fucked up is that?

  • ogardener says: Glyphosate
    ==

    Yes, But

    A planet poisoned by jerks
    Is one of those details that irks;
    But nothing succeeds
    At killing your weeds
    Like Roundup—that shit really works!

  • From comments at the preceding post

    “worked on levels that were not apparent unless one took the time “decode” and understand the deeper meanings, and, interestingly, over and over again, worked on the level of humor.”

    The works of Carlos Castaneda document a tiny bit of this. The second attention, stopping the world… none of this makes any sense in a modern materialist context.

    “there is no “outside.” we are it

    the greater system is ultimately just another part of ourselves –

    One thing, in countless forms.

    just One thing experiencing itself.”

  • BTD,

    I just saw a video of Vandana Sheeva at Earth at Risk in San Francisco this year. She made it clear how and why the shit really doesn’t work. 🙂

    Thanks for the link, ogardener

    “In 2010, the provincial government of Chaco province in Argentina issued a report on health statistics from the town La Leonesa. The report showed that from 2000 to 2009, following the expansion of genetically-modified soy and rice crops in the region (and the use of glyphosate), the childhood cancer rate tripled in La Leonesa and the rate of birth defects increased nearly fourfold over the entire province (6).”

    I guess that clear and simple statistics like these could change something. But I wouldn’t blame anyone for doubting it.

    The same goes for Vandana Sheeva. But I always enjoy hearing her anyway.

    Vandana Sheeva

    http://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/glp-facts/vandana-shiva/

    http://www.i-sis.org.uk/Vandana_Shiva_Responds_to_the_New_Yorker.php

  • good science could make Thorium radioactive waste into clean power
    bad science made Uranium radioactive waste for war power
    we’ve confused war with prosperity and prosperity with peace
    we have animal instincts and a god-like ferocity and ability.
    the tribe is not the herd, the herd is not the tribe
    so we confuse power and independence
    it would take more energy-mass to give green power to all
    than it would take to have a central clean Thorium energy source.
    the U.S. built 75,000 dams killing 75% of its river ecosystems.
    back then, the “green” energy dams were to free people from “dirty” coal.
    solar-wind is the part-time, extraction intensive, recycled planned obsolescence of energy and mass in a time of extreme weather like the Philippines gets.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/keith-peterman/lima-call-for-climate-act_b_6323186.html?utm_hp_ref=green
    we are fucked.

  • the problem with getting high and writing is the flash in pan before the fire.

    Radioactive Green Poison For Rich White People.
    Science also gave us nuclear war and poisoned food.
    good science could make Thorium radioactive waste into clean power.
    bad science made Uranium radioactive waste for war power.
    we’ve confused war with prosperity and prosperity with peace.
    we have animal instincts and a god-like ferocity and ability.
    the tribe is not the herd, the herd is not the tribe.
    so we confuse power and independence.

    it would take more energy-mass to give green power to one and all.
    than it would take to have a central clean Thorium energy source.
    not every family gets their own personal power plant.
    me first, damn my neighbor.

    the U.S. built 75,000 dams killing 75% of its river ecosystems in 75 years.
    back then, the “green” energy dams were to free people from “dirty” coal.
    solar-wind is the part-time, extraction intensive, recycled planned obsolescence of energy and mass in a time of extreme weather like the Philippines gets.
    we can’t have hi-tech green power without digging up radioactive Thorium waste.

  • You should probably give this a listen, when you have time

    http://www.fukushimafacts.com/Default.aspx?PID=43&T=Radiation News

    Nuclear Hotseat with Libbe HaLevy – 12/13/2014

    meanwhile:

    2014-12-14 – Jordan River turns blood red, emits sulfurous smell, thousands of fish die, in Israel

    Quote: “A mysterious phenomenon has been affecting the waters of the Jordan River in Eastern Israel, near its junction with the Yarmouk River. Thousands of dead fish and aquatic animals have accumulated on the shores of the river over the last hours, as the color of the water has turned to an eerie blood red and began emanating a strong sulphurous smell. Hundreds of phone calls began arriving last night at the offices of the Israel Water Authority, the Israeli Defense Force and the various regional police forces, reporting that something was wrong with the waterway and that fishes were piling up on the shores.”

    “Note: This has happened quite a few times now. The water turned red at Bondi Beach (Australia), mentioned in the 2012-11-26 update. The Yangtze River turned red in China, mentioned in the 2012-09-07 update. In July of this year (2014), a river turned blood red with a strange smell in the air, in Zhejiang Province (China), mentioned in the 2014-07-25 update. Use a search engine and you’ll find other similar events too. All of these events are very likely caused by the chemocline rising abruptly to the surface, which suffocates the fish and releases hydrogen sulfide and methane that have accumulated at the bottom into the atmosphere.

    It doesn’t always turn the water RED though. The same thing happened in the Inner Harbor in coastal Baltimore, sulfur smell in the air, all the fish died, but the water turned milky green-white in that case, mentioned in the 2013-07-18 update. (People started being found dead in the Inner Harbor in anomalously high numbers shortly after that, which was no coincidence.) Why the different colors? Different species of the ancient anaerobic archaea and bacteria at the bottom of the bodies of water. If you see a body of water suddenly change color like this – to any color – and there’s a sulfur smell or ‘rotten egg’ smell in the air, you might want to GTFO immediately, because there’s no way to know just how much hydrogen sulfide got released, and one breath can kill you if the air mix is just 0.1% hydrogen sulfide. It’s as lethal as hydrogen cyanide, which is what they use to execute people in gas chambers…”

    2014-12-14 – Foul stench blows over coastal Santa Rosa (Florida)

    Quote: “Area residents are complaining on social media about a strange smell that stretches from Pace to Gulf Breeze and the beaches. But local officials can’t confirm what the smell is or where it’s coming from.”

    2014-12-14 – Naked man burns church, gets arrested, in Roswell (Georgia)

    Quote: “It was 36 degrees by the thermometer on my car and he was arrested totally nude … I don’t know about it being crazy. Let’s just put it this way, there’s something wrong…”

    Quote: “Police told Channel 2 the man was ‘running around naked’ and saying he either was Jesus or knows him.”

    “Note: Not the first naked Jesus in recent times. A naked man screamed that he was Jesus at the Capitol in Madison (Wisconsin), got arrested, mentioned in the 2014-09-29 update. Besides the naked Jesuses (Jesi?), a man, 23, got naked and yelled about his love for Jesus at 6:30 AM at the airport in Atlanta (Georgia), got tased and arrested, mentioned in the 2014-10-02 update. And a naked bloody man identified himself as ‘Joseph from the Bible’, stole a bicycle and attacked some deputies on Beach Way Northeast in coastal Olympia (Washington), got arrested, mentioned in the 2014-10-07 update. And way back in 2013, a man, 29, stabbed a dog to death and said he was preparing to fight Satan, in Chicago (Illinois), near Lake Michigan, mentioned in the 2013-10-19 update, and a man, 30, said he was Satan, stabbed one man, threatened more, in coastal Hollywood (Florida), not far from the original naked face-eater incident, mentioned in the 2013-01-07 update. Good thing the latter two stabby guys didn’t cross paths!”

    2014-12-14 – Javelina attacks woman, kills her dog, in Tucson (Arizona)

    2014-12-14 – Boy, 13, jumps in water, doesn’t resurface, at coastal Hapuna Beach State Recreation Area (Hawaii)

    [there’s more: http://jumpingjackflashhypothesis.blogspot.com/%5D

  • In 1975, the first season of “Barney Miller”(brilliant comedy) aired on T-V. Below is the third part of the last episode of the first season: “The Hero”. This is how far, just 29 years ago, we have come, compared to militarized justice (what justice), these days.

    One of Captain Barney Miller’s men has just saved the day at a bank robbery where hostages were taken, but in the process, the two villains were shot, dead. The precinct, indeed the entire station, was extremely saddened by the event. This clip (only 8 minutes) shows the cop who did it, shaken to the core and bawling that he has killed. Seems a lot of cops are the thugs theses days that have NO feelings. Juxtaposed to this is Barney’s boss and a moral lesson on metals given. (Watch the whole clip if interested)

  • In order to start the human population into a gentle descent we need to triple the death rate of every country on the planet. I know it seems like an impossible task, but we’re an intelligent, cooperative, caring species. We can do it if we all work together. Or if we just wait a couple of decades.

  • They’re workin’ on it in every city Paul! It’s called “crime” though, or “an accident” and everyone seems to frown upon it.

    Your thought seems to lead right to the doorsteps of the Church of Euthanasia. We just have to get a LOT more people to join . . .

    Reminds me of the cliff jump scene in Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid:

    http://klipd.com/watch/butch-cassidy-and-the-sundance-kid/the-fall-will-probably-kill-you-cliff-jump-scene

  • buzz on
    https://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/12/16/3603899/greenpeace-nazca-peru-climate-message/

    “Greenpeace May Have Permanently Damaged An Ancient, Sacred Site. Now What?”

    instead of taking a jet to work every day, they can livestream a video of themselves crawling bare-belly over a mile of broken rocks just to smell my fart, either that, or time travel or, a reality series called, “Crushed Rocks 4 Balls”.

  • Thorium debunked repeatedly.
    Big file of stuff on the thorium hype
    http://kevinmeyerson.wordpress.com/2012/04/26/thorium-nuclear-information-resources/
    Energy Skeptic on thorium
    http://energyskeptic.com/2014/thorium-not-a-near-term-commercial-nuclear-fuel/
    Bulletin of Atomic Scientists
    http://energyskeptic.com/2014/thorium-wonder-fuel-that-wasnt/

    Robert Callaghan: do you really think that the two posts a day limit does not apply to you, for some reason?

  • olfgrowthforest,

    I feel really, REALLY confused by your December 14th, 2014 at 8:40 pm comment. Keeley, LeBlanc, Tattersall, and others present much compelling evidence and argue against the idea, the myth, that early humans for the most part lived peacefully and with little warfare. On the other hand, over the past few months you and several others, in agreement with many of the older anthropolgists of the past 50 or 60 years, have quite passionately argued in support of the idea, the “myth”, that early humans did indeed live for the most part peacefully and without warfare. NOW, in this most recent comment, you appear to have dramatically, sharply reversed your position. You wrote the following (with my comments in brackets [[ ]]):

    1. “I cannot figure out who these proponents of the “noble savage myth” are. Who, exactly, promotes this terrible myth? I’ve never thought it to be so popular among anyone who mattered. It was always on a level with people who believed in UFOs, in my lifetime.” [[You, Shep, and several others have insisted many times that early humans lived for the most part peacefully and without warfare (the “myth” that LeBlanc, Keeley, Tattersall, and other write about).]]

    2. “I don’t think there is any real debate about this terrible, and terribly important problem that requires continued addressing century after century by learned individuals who possess the great Cosmic Truth on the subject. Any books seriously promoting that nasty “noble savage myth” around? Scholars? Educational curricula? Talks on tv, radio, news? Oprah?” [[Many (most) of the earlier anthropologists, whom some here have referred to, promoted this quite popular “myth” and many authors have perpetuated it. I could provide a number of specific examples, but I don’t wish to take the time to do that, other than to mention one of the old school anthropologists, Canadian anthropologist and author, Richard Lee, whom David Highman recently mentioned, perhaps best known for his now quite old, in many ways out-of-date, 1979 book The !Kung San: Men, Women, and Work in a Foraging Society. (Remember, our total knowledge has doubled about every four years for several decades. Surely, much of this explosive knowledge growth has included the fields of anthropology and archaeology.)]]

    3. “What I think is interesting in all this is the obsession with the need to prove the destructiveness, most especially murder and torture and warfare, of pre-Columbian Native Americans, a group of people for whom, as Sabine points out, there is a general lack of evidence to the theories.” [[No one I know of has an “…obsession with the need to prove the destructiveness, most especially murder and torture and warfare, of pre-Columbian Native Americans….” If Keeley, LeBlanc, Tattersall and similar others have an obsession, it involves finding, interpreting, and reporting the anthropological, archaeological, and primatological evidence as accurately and as completely as possible—just as Guy does regarding global heating with its associated abrupt climate change, ecological, and nuclear collapse. Regarding your claim of a “a general lack of evidence to the theories”, I suggest a careful reading of Keeley, LeBlanc, and Tattersall’s books with their many anthropological, archaeological, primatological, and ethnographical research references provided in their Notes and Bibliographies.]]

    4. “Please offer a single example of one of these misguided promoters of this awful myth.” [[You have promoted the myth many times over the past few months, based on older anthropological and archaeological evidence and reasoning such as that provided by Richard Lee. You have insisted many times that early humans for the most part lived peacefully and in ecological balance with their surroundings.]]

    5. “When I first found this site, the ‘noble savage myth’ was pretty much the only perspective that was tolerated by the posters here. It was the doctrine of the group at the time.” [[Correct. And that obviously remains the case with at least a few commenters here.]] “It was awful. It was hateful and disturbing.” [[Though I find the term “hateful” overly strong, especially given that during the past few months you have considered the myth quite wonderful, I feel glad to see that you have so dramatically changed your thinking about this: that you now see the idea of early humans having for the most part lived peacefully and in ecological balance with their surroundings, as an unfortunate myth, just as Keeley, LeBlanc and others have pretty strongly demonstrated with the evidence and reasoning that they have provide in their books.]]

    6. “I cannot wait to find out who the people are that believe in this pernicious noble savage myth, can you?” [[I can easily give you a few specific examples, of course: You, Shep, and several others here at NBL, including David Highman with his recent reference to Richard Lee’s work. You have all strongly and passionately supported the idea, the myth, that early humans lived for the most part peacefully and in ecological balance with their surroundings, which LeBlanc, Keeley, Tattersall, and others have, based on more recent archaeological and anthropological evidence and reasoning, have argued, quite convincingly it seems to me, against.]]

  • http://www.countercurrents.org/mccauley151214.htm

    ‘A Roadmap To Global Burning’: COP20 Closes With Even Weaker Climate Pact

    “We are on a path to three or four degrees with this outcome,” Tasneem Essop, international climate strategist for World Wildlife Fund, told the Guardian’s Suzanne Goldberg after reviewing the final draft text on Saturday.

    And Saleemul Huq, a senior fellow at the International Institute for Environment and Development, agreed: “It sucks. It is taking us backwards.”

    “Once again poorer nations have been bullied by the industrialized world into accepting an outcome which leaves many of their citizens facing the grim prospect of catastrophic climate change,” said Friends of the Earth’s International climate campaigner Asad Rehman

    Environmental groups did note one silver lining included in the text, which is a provision that leaves open the possibility of setting a goal of zero net global emissions by 2100, which 350.org communications director Jamie Henn said is a “win for the fossil fuel divestment movement.”

    [So…..!!!!?????? Zero emissions 86 years later in the future, when everyone at that conference will be dead! Big Win! ]

  • Already seen this? Who gives a shit!

  • Robert Callaghan,

    On December 15th, 2014 at 3:51 am you wrote: “The conventional wisdom is that the Noble Savage was born in the 1970s when a native Indian cried on a teevee commercial about all the pollution he saw near the highways. More recent research points to a rift between clan leader, Broun and his son Brun. Broun was a man’s man who hunted well and fathered many children. Brun wanted to finger paint, dance and join in the theatre around the campfires at night. When Broun confronted his son, Brun said, ‘I don’t want to go out hunting, I want to dance.’ Broun slowly realized he loved his son, even if he was a poof. That’s when the Noble Savage was born. You can see modern day evidence of the Noble Savage in trailer parks as poor people struggle with the strange notions morality and ethics. The six savage strokes in the sexual forays of my youth were pretty noble too.”

    If think you will find that the term “noble savage” comes much, much earlier in history than the 1970s. I feel pretty sure that it originated with the Genevan writer, philosopher, and composer Jean-Jacques Rousseau in the mid-1700s when, in much of Europe, people often referred to the inhabitants of the New World as “savages”. His writing proved extremely influential on many subsequent writers, philosophers, and scientists, even up to today, including the earlier anthropologists and archaeologists, probably because it appeals so strongly to many people’s wishful thinking about themselves, the nature of humans, and our history. Meanwhile, as psychologist Daniel Kahneman emphasizes in his book Thinking, Fast and Slow regarding theory-induced blindness: “once you have accepted a theory and used it as a tool in your thinking, it is extraordinarily difficult to notice its flaws.”

  • Mr. Nye: if there is relevant evidence in the Keeley book to prove or explicate your thesis, post it. Please don’t talk around it or speak to it in generalities about what it supposedly says or proves. Many Thanks.

    What I found in the details of the text was bunk. Keeley is apparently attempting to construct a mythology of his own in support of his highly reactionary settler colonial mindset. Keeley’s mythology might be called: “The Myth of The Ignoble Wold-Destroying Genociders Masquerading Under The Banner Of So-Called Civilization Are Not So Bad After All.” My review of Keeley’s text is now posted at Amazon now, under the 1 star category, titled ‘Bigoted War Mongering Hack Job’.

    TUC radio in SF just re-posted this, too, which may be of interest to someone somewhere. Ward Churchill – A Little Matter of Genocide
    http://www.radio4all.net/files/tuc@tucradio.org/44-2-WardChurchill_Genocide_ONE.mp3

    http://www.radio4all.net/files/tuc@tucradio.org/44-2-WardChurchill_Genocide_TWO.mp3

    And there’s this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnGnj_e6gBw

  • “Your thought seems to lead right to the doorsteps of the Church of Euthanasia.”

    Seems. Acts can be through commission or omission. Albert Bartlett in his “Arithmetic, Population and Energy” talks pointed out that the problem will be taken care of, either by us or by nature. If for any reason we decide that we cannot or should not do it, then it defaults to nature – an omission. Which seems inevitable.

  • With so much doom and gloom in the world, I am elated to share this story about the fundamental goodness of at least some people. Recently we finalized the purchase of 1,250 acres of virgin cloud rainforest in Andes, Colombia. Deforestation in this zone is particularly bad due to its ideal climate and soil for coffee. The 84 year old campasino land owner, Don Alfonso, is typical of the kind, salt-of-the-earth and generous Andes mountain people who eschew luxuries, which are viewed as “contamination”. Their priorities are the essentials of life and nothing more- no car rather a mule, no cell phone, no airplanes, no adult toys. Consequently this wonderful gentleman and his family DONATED 6,750 acres for wildlife conservation in addition to the 1,250 purchased. The $50,000 he received from the sale was more than enough money to meet his family’s needs, and he wanted to “save the wild animals and plants without which there would be no life.”

    How many people in our global consumer society would even consider emulating the actions of Don Alfonso?

  • Mr Kling,

    How in the world did Mr. Alfonso acquire 8,000 acres?

  • A ‘noble savage” has enough to eat. He is not so noble when there is not enough food to keep him and his family alive.

    It is nature and what is either provided or destroyed in the way of sustenance that decides a state of what is (doubtfully) referred to as “noble” or “ignoble”.

    For countless centuries the woodland tribes of what we call Minnesota & the plains tribes of the Dakotas lived in a state of warfare, interrupted here & there by peaceful periods when woodland ecology and prairie ecology were in a state of balance. That is, enough buffalo on the prairies and enough deer in the forest. It was climate, not a state of nobility that decided the ethics of the people that lived so close to the line between starvation or enough to eat.

    This is an example seen on the north American continent, but similar examples occur throughout the world. It is not man – “savage” or “civilized” that chooses some moral solution. It is nature – climate – all us people can do is re-act to it. Today we call ourselves civilized – our supermarkets are full. (almost)

  • Queenie, you’re way smarter than the average momma bear. The need to be “noble” should be ranked somewhere in Maslow’s hierarchy of needs, maybe between the need for leisure and the need for spirituality. When someone’s need for food fails, 99% of us will forget the higher needs ever existed! I think a lot of people act “noble” in order to off-set immoral and deathly acts they do or plan to do. Like the military, with its pomp and stately ceremony and its demands that we all must honor ignorant baby-killers as being the best among us. It seems the more evil the institution, the greater the need to project a sense of nobility.

    The only truly noble among us are the spiritually awakened ones. However, it would be impossible for them to acknowledge their nobility.

    I have a hard time dealing with either/or arguments. I’m sure some primitives held their heads high through any adversity. There are people among us today that will face the coming collapse with compassion and dignity. But to claim some sort of enlightened purity of motive and morality for the majority of our ancestors is ridiculous. You’ll never convince me that when the pots got cold, the savages of the past weren’t just as likely to acquire food from whatever path met the least resistance as we are today.

  • What does warfare have to do with a complex system achieving long term equilibrium? There’s a lot of warfare among and across biological systems, But the complex system of biological life has existed on this planet for billions of years, WITH a lot of warfare. I don’t think warfare is relevant to the discussion of achieving and maintaining equilibrium.

    There’s even cruelty outside of humanity (though extremely rare by my assessment: i.e., other animals rarely torture other animals but it happens).

    What we have done is perturb a dynamic equilibrium that set up the conditions that allowed us to perturb it, but that was our choice (this is where agency arises). Since the system is chaotic, the long term effects are unpredictable but we can say that the system will shift to a new area of the phase space and achieve a new equilbrium which will select out the unfit systems, which is what the planet is doing and what we’re calling NTHE. I’m confident life will go on, and for some organisms, this will be an opportunity to carve out their niche until the next extinction comes along.

  • Kirk, I think you touched upon the most important part of this discussion when you wrote “I have a hard time dealing with either/or arguments. I’m sure some primitives held their heads high through any adversity. There are people among us today that will face the coming collapse with compassion and dignity. But to claim some sort of enlightened purity of motive and morality for the *majority* [emphasis mine] of our ancestors is ridiculous. You’ll never convince me that when the pots got cold, the savages of the past weren’t just as likely to acquire food from whatever path met the least resistance as we are today.”

    The key actions are those of the majority, and consequently those of the minority. If it is a majority, then the thesis that ALL humans are incapable of living sustainably isn’t true. If a minority is capable of doing so, and a majority is not, then we need to ask, from an evolutionary standpoint, why is the majority running the show? What makes the majority hold views that lead to a situation like NTHE and why did it happen that way?

    I think a majority will just go with the flow. I think minorities of different kinds do different things and certain memes come to dominate. I personally think it is a minority with a harmful meme that is running the show and the majority is acting as an enabler. Most of us who were born after it was too late have no choice in this matter but we can avoid the harmful memes. If all seven billions humans did all the things you did, would the world be a better place—that is the standard to live by, and there is no one who can judge you except yourself (if you want to).

  • Hi Shep,

    Don Alfonso and his family homesteaded the property 65 years ago. The land was unoccupied and thus unclaimed. The property was acquired through a legal process known as “possession” whereby the land owner constructs linderos to establish property boundaries and builds a home to establish a physical presence. Title exists for only a small percentage of the land in Colombia because it’s an expensive undertaking for the average person. There still exists unclaimed property in the southern most departments of Colombia, but not for much longer.

  • good to meditate on for coming disasters:

    btw castenada was definitively a conman lol

  • First comment ever from a co-producer for a “Titanic” director. Staff members of our production team have been quietly watching and following all of your work since the “Somewhere in New Mexico” screening. Today we held a meeting about protocol to establish proper channels of communication with your growing effort.

    Hopefully in the near future (after formal contact) we can make amends with full disclosure. Possibly there is still a chance to use the TRUTH to avoid the worst effects of civilian outrage against the captains of industry. So much is invested that it is very hard for us to understand that we have hit the ice. Big mistake re-branding GW as Climate Change. Everyone understands the simple truth of deadly pollution but we knew exactly what we were doing when we altered the public perception. We know our international network is somewhat responsible for worldwide MSM content, however, a radical shift in every information format is seriously being considered. As we consider the facts of the high potential for a mass methane release we are well aware that a population decrease will impact our ability to professionally control the removal of radioactive materials.

    Trust us the most sensible and concerned of the .001% knows the time is coming to assist with orderly conduct during phase down. Golden parachute survivors always know what is in the exit contract. As the global super party concludes we knew to apply massive profits toward genetic seed banks, cryogenic technology and life regeneration. An Atlantis scale lesson has been learned. The consumer earth experiment had to fail to prove to select children in full scale reality why the endless expansion capitol model does not work. Although it is almost impossible to humanely understand (it has been proven in physics at CERN) this temporary reality will be entirely lost. Infinite quantum space is like a form of DNA. We know all particles keep records. Evolution makes mistakes yet energy is always recycled. Dr. Mc Pherson listen to your exact words at the end of one of your interviews: “It’s not what I wanted but I guess it will be interesting anyway.” Your on the right track and we are listening. Watching. We care. We know jumping into black holes seems insane but there is a collective reason we had to push this perfectly good planet to a tipping point. Out of chaos ORDER.

  • Wester Says:
    December 16th, 2014 at 3:31 pm

    “Mr. Nye: if there is relevant evidence in the Keeley book to prove or explicate your thesis, post it. Please don’t talk around it or speak to it in generalities about what it supposedly says or proves. Many Thanks.

    What I found in the details of the text was bunk. Keeley is apparently attempting to construct a mythology of his own in support of his highly reactionary settler colonial mindset. Keeley’s mythology might be called: “The Myth of The Ignoble Wold-Destroying Genociders Masquerading Under The Banner Of So-Called Civilization Are Not So Bad After All.” My review of Keeley’s text is now posted at Amazon now, under the 1 star category, titled ‘Bigoted War Mongering Hack Job’.

    TUC radio in SF just re-posted this, too, which may be of interest to someone somewhere. Ward Churchill – A Little Matter of Genocide
    [audio src="http://www.radio4all.net/files/tuc@tucradio.org/44-2-WardChurchill_Genocide_ONE.mp3" /]

    [audio src="http://www.radio4all.net/files/tuc@tucradio.org/44-2-WardChurchill_Genocide_TWO.mp3" /]

    And there’s this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnGnj_e6gBw

    9/11 truth denier Ward Churchill is hardly my favorite person. But overall i’m with you, Wester. This “blame the indigenous people” stuff is on par with efforts to blame women for rape because of how they dress. 72

  • Thanks for that, Queenie. As usual, both sides were right. Were it not for war, famine, disease and predation, along with cooperation, we wouldn’t be here at all.

  • oldgrowthforrest personifies our ability to judge others, particularly the low hanging fruit of the bad German, but a complete inability to look introspectively. Let’s play a substitution game, signified by capitalized words between {}, with an earlier oldgrowthforest fairy tale:

    “Imagine a scenario where a hundred years after the Holocaust in {THE UNITED STATES} Germany, erudite {AMERICAN} German scholars published tome after tome of how criminal the {NATIVE AMERICANS} Jews really were and how their cultural and social flaws can be determined through ancient archeology and findings of weaponry and graves, and how destructive their societies were, and how if they’d had a chance the {NATIVE AMERICANS} Jews would have done the same thing to the {ENGLISH AMERICANS} Germans, but they were just too inept/primitive, probably because of their religious stupidity.”

    “And imagine if many, many more {NATIVE AMERICANS} Jews had perished, as many as 99% of them (WHEN THE PILGRIMS ARRIVED THE NATIVE AMERICAN POPULATION WAS ESTIMATED BETWEEN 5 AND 10 MILLION. ACCORDING TO THE CENSUS OF 1890 THE MILLIONS HAD BEEN EXTERMINATED TO 200,000), and few remained to tell their side of the story. Any positive assessments of historical {NATIVE AMERICAN} Jewish people was dismissed by these scholars as a fantasy, a myth, a romantic story.”

  • i’m listening to the interview with Paul Beckwith and scratching my head in wonder as to how an intelligent person like Paul can be so blind to the fact of the EXISTING and ON-GOING geo-engineering of the Earth by industrial civilization that got us into this mess in the first place (wrt his comment about how “poisoned” the term geo-engineering has become due to the “chem-trail” people). Seriously, is it due to his freaking JOB being in the belly of the chicken, as Guy points out? He NEEDS civilization to keep going so he can remain in his privileged position to finish out his PhD – that trumps any objections about geo-engineering to counteract steadily increasing climate change.

    WTF?! He’s seriously losing his credibility as a HUMAN by advocating for this nonsense. Of course it’s going to get bad – we’re going extinct – it’ll be the worst thing ever! Why make it momentarily worse by BECOMING a CHEM-TRAIL FANATIC and advocating playing god with the climate system EVEN MORE than we already are!

    He continually side-steps the issue of the CAUSE of climate change (obviously) being due to human reliance on fossil fuel use, and that it will continue to be used WHILE we’re doing his insane geo-engineering AND CONTINUE AFTER THAT – no mention of STOPPING industrial civilization! Is he DAFT? He just refuses to let go of fossil-fuel based world even though it’s established fact that THIS is what the problem IS!

    Guy: Are you condoning in his insanity with your comment that if we’re damned if we do and damned if we don’t then we should TRY THIS? I really hope you take the time to explain this comment.

    Oh FINALLY he (Beckwith) acknowledges that even cutting down a tree or starting a car or flipping a light switch IS geo-engineering, but STILL goes on to suggest that HIS ideas are SMART! What a fool!

    This is what passes as intelligence nowadays – no wonder we’re fucking doomed.

  • Oh, Wester, you are amazing! “The Myth of The Ignoble Wold-Destroying Genociders Masquerading Under The Banner Of So-Called Civilization Are Not So Bad After All.”

    That is the entire point of all of this insanity in one sentence. So banal evil can hold onto itself.

  • Remember Upton Sinclair:
    “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!”

    The “man” in this case being Beckwith. And let us not forget that most academic programs train one-trick dogs, although some disciplines are necessarily eclectic, including anthropology, ecology, medicine and such.

  • Let us remember Upton Sinclair:
    “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!”

    The “man” in this case being Beckwith. And let us not forget that most academic programs train one-trick dogs, although some disciplines are necessarily eclectic, including anthropology, ecology, medicine and such.

  • Tom asks: “Guy: Are you condoning in his insanity with your comment that if we’re damned if we do and damned if we don’t then we should TRY THIS? I really hope you take the time to explain this comment.”

    No, of course not. I was trying to ask Paul a question based on my comment, but I was interrupted.

  • lyrics:

    Eight miles high
    And when you touch down
    You’ll find that it’s
    Stranger than known

    Signs in the street
    That say where you’re goin’
    Are somewhere
    Just being their own

    Nowhere is
    There warmth to be found
    Among those afraid
    Of losing their ground

    Rain gray town
    Known for its sound
    In places
    Small faces unbound

    Round the squares
    Huddled in storms
    Some laughing
    Some just shapeless forms

    Sidewalk scenes
    And black limousines
    Some living
    Some standing alone

  • has any one else seen all the spam on the forum?

  • M.J.Fox – I hope you are real although in this day and age saying that seems asinine.

    You almost sound like you are channeling;

    Professor Barnhardt: Well that’s where we are. You say we’re on the brink of destruction and you’re right. But it’s only on the brink that people find the will to change. Only at the precipice do we evolve. This is our moment. Don’t take it from us, we are close to an answer.

    Please elucidate further what you and yours intend.

  • Just heard Guy on Global Research. GR is a Canuck group who used to think global warming was a conspiracy theory. Good stuff. I just hit Michael Welch with one of my factoid bombs.

    I do NOT trust Beckwith and the AMEG gang. They are part of the “we can save you crowd” like the “green” energy folks over at Climate Progress. These faux solutions are offered up in lieu of any much needed demand destruction. They are dangerous.

    Bud Nye, you can’t be serious, nothing comes before me, and nothing comes after — besides, if it ain’t on teevee, it can’t be real.

  • I’ve seen the weird forum stuff, Marty. Since I couldn’t read it, I didn’t know what it was.

  • Mr. Kling,

    Smells a bit fishy to me. (The) ‘Don’ isn’t an average man, so you say, and this indicates he has the means to do enclosures (ring any bells – Lord Travelyn), BUT he takes a measly $6/acre. Hummmmm.

    Also, Columbia is RULED by the right wing where the drug Lords function quite well.
    Ohhhh? One of the best and only footholds that America has south of the border, of course, opposite Chavez. You don’t say.

    Sort of sounds like Billy Joel’s song.

    “When the mafia took over Mexico.” (after they left Cuba)

    Strange Fruit.

  • My understanding is that complex adaptive systems reach “equilibrium” only in a very general sense. When looked at in detail, there is usually continuous oscillation around the putative equilibrium point, with negative feedbacks and adaptations aimed at keeping the system within its “resilience envelope”. If circumstances (usually external influences) cause the system to depart from its resilience envelope, it enters the “release phase” of the classic four-phase adaptive cycle, releasing resources and structure until a new, lower equilibrium point is obtained, where system re-building begins.

    Predator-prey relationships are the canonical example, where the numbers of predators and prey oscillate near the carrying capacity of the environment.

    After reading Keeley I have come to suspect that in the past warfare acted as one of the negative feedbacks that kept human numbers and demands approximately in balance with their environment. Taking a page from the predator-prey example, we might speculate that in the absence of other significant large predators (which we had mostly killed off), we became in a sense our own predator. If that model holds, we should expect to see similar predator-prey dynamics, but entirely within our own species.

    This would help to explain why we see an increase in warfare during lean times, as Queenie noted above. As we progressed from H-G bands to more settled horticultural lifestyles (well before the advent of fossil fuels), the increased resource requirements of that arrangement would cause more conditions of relative shortage, and so could be expected to produce an increase in warfare. The recent decline in warfare could thus be attributed, at least in part, to the conditions of massive surplus that we have enjoyed for the last few hundred years.

    If climate change and economic breakdown thrust us into an era of growing shortages, we should reasonably expect an increase in warfare, no matter how enlightened a minority of the population becomes.

  • May I suggest Derrick Jensen’s book, The Culture of Make Believe: page 182 – 183 where he quotes Stanley Diamond.

  • I rather suspect that Stanley Diamond was one of those anthropologists whose views on warfare Keeley excoriated in his little depth-charge of a book.

  • ‘Tom Says:
    December 17th, 2014 at 7:34 am
    i’m listening to the interview with Paul Beckwith and scratching my head in wonder as to how an intelligent person like Paul can be so blind to the fact of the EXISTING and ON-GOING geo-engineering of the Earth by industrial civilization that got us into this mess in the first place (wrt his comment about how “poisoned” the term geo-engineering has become due to the “chem-trail” people). Seriously, is it due to his freaking JOB being in the belly of the chicken, as Guy points out? He NEEDS civilization to keep going so he can remain in his privileged position to finish out his PhD – that trumps any objections about geo-engineering to counteract steadily increasing climate change.

    WTF?! He’s seriously losing his credibility as a HUMAN by advocating for this nonsense. Of course it’s going to get bad – we’re going extinct – it’ll be the worst thing ever! Why make it momentarily worse by BECOMING a CHEM-TRAIL FANATIC and advocating playing god with the climate system EVEN MORE than we already are!

    He continually side-steps the issue of the CAUSE of climate change (obviously) being due to human reliance on fossil fuel use, and that it will continue to be used WHILE we’re doing his insane geo-engineering AND CONTINUE AFTER THAT – no mention of STOPPING industrial civilization! Is he DAFT? He just refuses to let go of fossil-fuel based world even though it’s established fact that THIS is what the problem IS!

    Guy: Are you condoning in his insanity with your comment that if we’re damned if we do and damned if we don’t then we should TRY THIS? I really hope you take the time to explain this comment.

    Oh FINALLY he (Beckwith) acknowledges that even cutting down a tree or starting a car or flipping a light switch IS geo-engineering, but STILL goes on to suggest that HIS ideas are SMART! What a fool!

    This is what passes as intelligence nowadays – no wonder we’re fucking doomed.’

    Yes! Many times yes.

    As you know, I spoke with Paul many months ago about the instantaneous forcing factor for methane (supposedly his field of research). The follow-up I was expecting did not occur.

    Robin probably hit the nail on the head with the Upton Sinclair quote:“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!”

    Early in 2015 I hope to have a meeting with someone whose title is Group Manager – Strategy.

    His position is dependent on not understanding that:

    infinite economic growth on a finite planet is impossible

    energy supplies are not infinite

    desequestering carbon and putting into the atmosphere in the form of CO2 is already having dire consequences, and continuing on the same path will result in horrific consequences for him.

    the global financial system is a Ponzi scheme, and it is unravelling.

    Ignorance, denial, complacency, stupidity will probably reign supreme for another year or two, but no longer because the wheels are falling off everywhere.

  • Hi Paul, the term equilibrium is misleading for complex adaptive systems, but it is what is used. It’s not just simple oscillations, though that is one form of it—it’s like a bunch of nonlinear curves all interacting and maintaining a particular long range correlations. It’s this nonlinearity and long range tertiary interactions that makes it complex. The phase space is multidimensional, so it really is oscillating or exploring a well in this complex landscape.

    Warfare is one component of this for some systems but I don’t think it is necessary nor sufficient. Perhaps I should’ve asked “what does warfare have to do with NOT maintaining equilibrium?” since I was addressing any argument that was stating that indigenous and other subsets of humans couldn’t achieve equilibrium because they engaged in warfare.

    You actually seem to be arguing that warfare is actually useful for maintaining homeostasis. As I wrote you before, it is indeed a possible way since other organisms use it also. But as I write above, it is neither necessary nor sufficient to maintain equilibrium in a complex landscape. Both birth rates and death rates are important. Death can be achieved by other means besides warfare.

    We may see warfare as NTHE happens but that is a consequence, and it’s unclear what effect that would have on the stability of the system. These systems are robust yet fragile. So it really is about meeting the boundary conditions – if they are met (say a minimum number of humans need to be alive and reproducing at a certain rate—I don’t think this is a large number) then all the rest is irrelevant to the stability of the system. The system will go on arbitrarily.

  • Ram, I got the impression that you were arguing that war didn’t help achieve equilibrium from this: ” I don’t think warfare is relevant to the discussion of achieving and maintaining equilibrium.” It didn’t make sense that you actually thought that, but that’s the impression I got.

    I’m indeed arguing for warfare being a possible homeostasis mechanism. Of course it’s neither “necessary nor sufficient”, but then what interaction in a complex system actually is necessary or sufficient on its own? There are many different interactions that may produce similar outcomes. Which one is chosen under what circumstances depends on what is available, and the state of the system.

    I’m arguing retrospectively, that it appears as though our species in the past chose warfare as one homeostatic mechanism.

    Whether “the system will go on arbitrarily” depends on how you define the system – where you draw the boundaries. For some definitions of “the system” – for instance “the planet’s biosphere” – you’re right. If the system under consideration is global techno-industrial civilization, I would demur.

  • The word “chose” in the sentence “It appears as though our species in the past…” above should be in quotes, because warfare wasn’t a conscious choice for that purpose. Homeostasis may have been a result, but it was not a teleological goal.

  • Paul Chefurka,

    Your recent comments related to warfare and ecological balance make very good sense to me. Related to this, if I recall correctly Steven LeBlanc argues against the idea that we find humans “genetically programmed for warfare”. For anger and aggression? Yes. But he argues that genetic predisposition does not make warfare just for the sake of war inevitable for us. He argues that, with a small percentage of psychopathological exceptions, humans definitely prefer and wish to default to peace, but when competing with other humans (and other animals) for the necessities of life, we will kill, and this cycle occurred over and over again wherever humans settled, driven fundamentally by population growth with its resulting ecological degradation and subsequent competition with other groups, with those processes continuing, of course, today. I found LeBlanc’s comparison of human murder and warfare with the murder and warfare that occurs among the common chimpanzee extremely interesting and relevant. Common chimpanzees (but not Bonobos) murder other chimpanzees and have warfare, but they do not kill very efficiently. Critically, they do not have the intelligence to produce highly efficient killing tools, as we do. They certainly do make and use tools, but not highly efficient killing tools.

    Needless to say, warfare, perhaps this time nuclear, may soon drastically reduce human population on Earth—until global heating with its associated abrupt climate change, as well as general ecological collapse, finish us off. But all of this regarding warfare misleads somewhat. How so? Because throughout all of recorded history disease, often associated with warfare, has killed far more people than warfare itself has, about ten times more, if I recall correctly.

    In my decidedly UNhuman-supremacist opinion, we find ourselves completely at the “mercy” of unpredictable, irreversible, complex global processes, and I agree completely with Daniel Kahneman in Thinking, Fast and Slow that “Our comforting conviction that the world makes sense rests on a secure foundation: our almost unlimited ability to ignore our ignorance” and with David Ehrenfeld that “The world is not only more complex than we think, it is more complex than we are capable of thinking.” I think that we have always found ourselves in exactly the situation that Kahneman and Ehrenfeld describe, all of our arrogant, pathologically narcissistic humanism notwithstanding.

  • Paul, yep, to make it clear, what I’m saying is that a population engaged in warfare isn’t evidence of destabilisation of the system representing the population. This is in the context of the discussion going on about how pre-IC humans engaged in warfare. Even if they did, it didn’t contribute to NTHE. The problem of NTHE isn’t related to warfare per se, but to abuse of resources. A different perturbation of the system altogether. Your view and mine agree in this case: if there is warfare, it probably helped than hurt.

    Certainly at different times and different situations warfare would’ve been used to achieve new equilibria—I believe that would be true. Warfare would also contribute to disequilibrium. So like with everything else, there’s the “right amount” of warfare that is good for perpetuating the system and an “out of bounds” amount which would destabilise the existing equilibrium.

    And yeah, which system we’re talking about when we say certain things is important. I did mean the Earth system with all biological life. This will be the sixth extinction and it will be an opportunity for another set of organisms to thrive.

    The thing about complex systems is the whole robust yet fragile thing – if redundancies are selectively advantageous or neutral, they’re built in so over time redundancies accumulate. Points of failure also accumulate as the interactome (network) gets more complex. So there’s a certain set of boundary conditions and if you stay within those, you achieve equilibrium no matter what and if you go outside those then it changes the search area. Limits to Growth illustrates this really nicely with five simple variables.

  • Shep-

    How many times have you visited Colombia? Do you speak fluent Spanish? I have lived for the equivalent of years in Colombia and I am a fluent Spanish speaker.

    Allow me to educate your ERRONEOUS PRESUPPOSITIONS:

    1. “Don” is used preceding the first or surname to signify RESPECT. It has nothing to do with “rich people”. I treat people whom I respect and admire with courtesy.

    2. Colombia IS NOT RULED by the right wing. For your information, Colombia is a constitutional democracy. Furthermore, the president, Juan Manuel Santos, is a center left candidate having defeated the right wing party of Alvaro Uribe in May of this year.

    3. You claim drug lords function quite well. This is news to me. Do you have FACTS to substantiate your assertion?

    Know the facts before you open your big mouth with propagandized drivel.

  • Mr Kling,

    I’ll get back to you, shortly, but till then, a ‘Don’ is a mafia person. U BTW said Alphonso was a man of means, not me.

  • Mr. Kling;

    ” …Colombia. There the US effectively controls the government, and is attacking guerrillas and is also engaged in the long-term project of driving peasants off the land so that it can be cleared for resource extraction, agribusiness export, etc…”

    “…Several years ago, the [Columbian] guerrillas had an identifiable political program, which appealed to large elements of the poor majority in a very rich country with highly concentrated wealth and tremendous suffering. One of the successes of Clinton’s Plan Colombia is that it militarized the conflict, and by now it’s likely that the guerrillas are seen by campesinos and indigenous people as just another terrorist army, like the Colombian military and the paramilitaries that have been closely linked to it. US direct involvement in counterinsurgency goes back to Kennedy, who sent a special forces mission to Colombia in 1962 which advised “paramilitary terror” directed against “known Communist proponents” — a broad term in counterinsurgency rhetoric, which refers to union leaders, priests working with peasants, human rights activists, etc”

  • Shep-

    1. Following is a copy and paste of my comment. Where did I write Don Alfonso “was a man of means”? You would be well advised to follow the maxim, when you find yourself in a hole stop digging.

    “The 84 year old campasino land owner, Don Alfonso, is typical of the kind, salt-of-the-earth and generous Andes mountain people who eschew luxuries, which are viewed as “contamination”. Their priorities are the essentials of life and nothing more- no car rather a mule, no cell phone, no airplanes, no adult toys. Consequently this wonderful gentleman and his family DONATED 6,750 acres for wildlife conservation in addition to the 1,250 purchased. The $50,000 he received from the sale was more than enough money to meet his family’s needs, and he wanted to “save the wild animals and plants without which there would be no life.””

    2. Colombia is a Spanish speaking country thus Italian titles are not applicable.

    3. In terms of your quotations, cite your sources.

    Enough time already spent. Educate yourself.

  • Just my opinion please refute if you will. Paul Beckworth is a scared man having seen and read the implications of his research for modern man and that abrupt climate change is now happening. Not nice to realise the near term demise of your own species. Also all the human bs in the world won’t change things a bit.

  • A quote from near the end of the movie, “Creation”, about Charles Darwin and his intra- and interpersonal struggles related to religious issues (http://www.hulu.com/watch/352617): “That’s very sweet of you. Really. But we are beyond that now.” In my opinion, this is a wonderful movie about beliefs, death, and grief, directly related to the Purpose and Motivation of our Tacoma Extinction Support Group.

  • I’m scared,are you? Never nice to bare bad news. Some people might be better at it then others. Each day more bad news,we can only hate the message not the truth

  • “The property was acquired through a legal process known as “possession” whereby the land owner constructs linderos to establish property boundaries and builds a home to establish a physical presence. Title exists for only a small percentage of the land in Colombia because it’s an expensive undertaking for the average person.” YOUR WORDS FROM THE POST ABOVE. THEY INDICATE THAT MR. ALPHONSO IS NOT the average person!

    Noam Chomsky is my source. There are hundreds of others. These are well known facts so you must be extremely naive. Everyone should know that Columbia is a drug state supported by the corrupt USA.

    So, shut YOUR big mouth (Your ad hominem)!

  • Kling,

    THE END

  • http://www.sott.net/article/290232-Villagers-in-Kazakhstan-are-falling-asleep-en-masse-for-no-apparent-reason

    [classic symptoms of low doses of H2S]

    Villagers in Kazakhstan are falling asleep en masse for no apparent reason

    Residents of a small village in Kazakhstan are falling asleep at random, sometimes for days at a time, and no one knows why. Since the spring of 2013, the village of Kalachi in the Akmolinsk district (whose name derives from aqmola, a Kazakh term that ominously translates to the white tomb), 150 miles south of the Russian border, has suffered from at least four outbreaks of the disorder. As of the latest wave, from late August to early September, over 60 people, or 10 percent of the town’s population of 680 had been affected. Last week, RT released a documentary on the problem titled ​Sleepy Hallow, Kazakhstan. Locals told the reporters that they fear one day they’ll fall asleep and never wake up again.

    Classified as an encephalopathy of unclear origin – the highfalutin term for a weird brain disorder we can’t figure out – villagers who do not simply keel over while moving or working report feeling weakness, dizziness, and memory and motor control loss. At least two children have reported hallucinations as well: Misha Plyukhin saw flying horses and light bulbs, his mother with eight eyes and a trunk, and snakes and worms in his bed, trying to eat his arms; Rudolf Boyarinos cannot remember his visions, but four people had to calm and subdue him as he screamed “monsters!” The sleep is so deep that some locals fear an old man they assumed was dead could have been buried alive.

    comment by Jonny Mnemonic over at JJFH:

    “12000 endangered saiga antelope DID ‘fall asleep’ and ‘never wake up again’, in Kazakhstan, in May of 2010. Not many things can knock a gigantic herd of antelope dead like that. That town – wouldn’t want to live there, that’s for sure.”

    http://www.sott.net/article/290287-Strange-hairless-creature-washes-up-dead-on-California-beach

    [look at the pictures]

    A mysterious creature with sharp claws and pointy teeth was discovered on a beach in Santa Barbara on Tuesday after the most recent storm hitting the area.

    The apparent monster is brownish in color and was discovered near a drain washout, reports KEYT.com. The unidentified beast has left residents baffled and no one has been able to identify the species of animal found on the shore nor do they know where it came from.

    Santa Barbara saw brutal storms over the past few days that left behind damage in the area.

    A similar looking creature was found in San Diego back in June of 2012. The picture was taken by Josh Menard, a 19-year-old snowboarder from Lake Tahoe.

    According to Josh, the animal is about 2ft long and ‘had the body shape of a pig – kind of a fat stomach, middle area. And the canines were just ridiculously large.’

  • The latest post includes video from two events in Chico, California about a month ago, in addition to a link to tomorrow night’s television interview. Catch all the latest here.

  • Shep-

    He acquired the property through possession. Possession and title are two entirely different constructs. They are not synonyms. The stupidity of some people is stunning.

    “The property was acquired through a legal process known as “possession” whereby the land owner constructs linderos to establish property boundaries and builds a home to establish a physical presence. Title exists for only a small percentage of the land in Colombia because it’s an expensive undertaking for the average person.”

    Now let’s analyze your quotes:

    You claim the US effectively controls Colombia (by the way take note of the proper spelling of Colombia, not Columbia). The country’s representatives are elected through a series of national, departmental, and local elections. In May of this year, the pro-US drug war candidate was resoundingly defeated by a center left candidate.

    You claim peasants are being driven off of their land through a secret US sponsored program. That’s funny, the Colombian federal government has a policy of repatriating the campasinos (you or Noam does not know how to spell this word). Thus far millions of hectares have been turned over.

    You claim the FARC guerillas appeal to large segments of the population. COMPLETE BULLSHIT, which explains why the guerillas are engaged in peace talks with the government. Just last month, a band of guerillas attacked an indigenas community in the Cauca Department. Big mistake. These indians are not passive and do not tolerate intervention. A war party was sent out with poison dart guns and arrows to kill and
    capture the guerillas. After killing half of the group, the other guerillas surrendered. The indians want to meek out their form of justice and the government wants to bring
    them to trial.

    You have not a clue what you are taking about. All you can do is parrot some antiquated left-wing propaganda.

  • “For countless centuries the woodland tribes of what we call Minnesota & the plains tribes of the Dakotas lived in a state of warfare”

    …Can we please get some references on this rather than just mucking about with these kinds of unsupported declarative statements ? Many thanks.

  • @Wester

    Read a history of the states of Minnesota, & North & South Dakota. They will include reports of conflict between the Dakots (Sioux), natives of the plains & the Objiwe, natives of the woodlands & how conflict arose when shifting years of dry weather moved the plains habitat eastward & wet years moved the woodlands west. ( The actual land base was the same, it was the ecology that changed.)

    A tragic end to these conflicts came in 1862 when Dakota warriors raided the frontier settlement of New Ulm, Minnesota, killing and burning. US cavalry troops were called away from the battles of the Civil war to quell the disturbance. Over 300 Sioux (Dakota) men were put to death in reprisal. The reaction of the Objiwe was dismay “At the treatment of their ancient enemy”. (This is a quote from an objiwe leader who remains un-named)