Edge of Extinction Episode #5

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From the 27 January 2015 edition of Shift: Geoengineering: A Techno-Fix Solution for the Climate?
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My work is featured in this 26 January 2015 article from New Zealand.

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There will be no show tonight due to the weather in New York City. Last week’s show featured a long interview with award-winning poet Cameron Conaway. It’s archived here.

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19 February-4 March 2015, In and around New York City, New York (details below, more forthcoming)

24 February 2015, 7:00 – 9:30 p.m., Spoonbill Books, 218 Bedford Avenue, Brooklyn, New York, telephone 718.387.7322. Reading and signing books, with plenty of time for Q&A, wine, and cheese. Details here.

27 February 2015, 6:00 – 9:00 p.m., Project Reach, 39 Eldridge Street, Suite 4, New York, New York

1 March 2015, 6:00 p.m. Woodbine Collective, 18-84 Woodbine Street, Flushing, New York. Reading and signing books, with plenty of time for Q&A.

4-16 March, northern California. Details to follow.

22 March – 3 April Boston, Massachusetts. Details to follow.

6-30 April 2015, western Europe (additional details forthcoming, and follow the tour on Facebook)

European tour spring 2015
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McPherson’s latest book is co-authored by Carolyn Baker. Extinction Dialogs: How to Live with Death in Mind is available.

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  • I am wondering if justice will become part of the stages of grief.

    Usually when people are murdered the families want justice even though they go through at least five of the phases.

    Why not justice as well for the greatest murder of all time, the murder of civilization by those who control it (Oil-Qaeda: The Indictment)?

    They need to learn gallows humor from the gallows platform.

    Their new propaganda campaign is to have us think that this extinction is just like all the rest, is just normal, so move along folks and laugh as you die because this is just natural extinction that is in human DNA (On The Origin of Genieology – 3).

  • Mark my words, you plutocrats, denialists, fossil-fuel hacks and science charlatans – your time will come when you will be backed against the wall by the full wrath of billions who have suffered from your greed and stupidity, and I’ll be first in line to put you there” (Mourning Our Planet: Climate Scientists Share Their Grieving Process).

    –That is my two for the day —

    love and peace

  • I have long wondered how young people (especially 15-to-30-year-old males) will react when they finally realise they have been systematically lied to by ALL politicians and ALL so-called community leaders.

    It’s almost sunrise here: not a cloud in the sky again.

  • Life on Earth as we know it, is over. As Life on Earth collectively goes over the cliff (seemingly in slow motion), each individual will continue to experience mental and emotional activity and sensation, but that does not change what is taking place. Sort of like the hair and finger nails of a cadaver that keep on growing for a while, after the body is already dead. Yes, the unjust pain and suffering of the innocent also will be over, as will each one’s lost opportunity for experiencing the full potential of being on this planet (on this plane of existence?). Our own actions have already judged each one us.

  • Re-post of previous text corrected. –

    Life on Earth as we know it, is over. As Life on Earth collectively goes over the cliff (seemingly in slow motion), each individual will continue to experience mental and emotional activity and sensation, but that does not change what is taking place. Sort of like the hair and finger nails of a cadaver that keep on growing for a while, after the body is already dead.

    Yes, the unjust pain and suffering of the innocent also will be over, as will each one’s lost opportunity for experiencing the full potential of being, on this planet (on this plane of existence?). Our own actions have already judged each one of us.

  • After much searching, I cannot find it cited anywhere, but I remember a quote from Bertolt Brecht (1898-1956) saying (from memory): “In a dark time (time of destruction/collapse), all humor is gallows humor.”

    I think Guy is following in the path of many illustrious predecessors in extending this philosophy, with much more evidence of its merits now available to us.

    Though not finding the one I wished, some of the other Brecht quotes (from BrainyQuote) strike me as very Guy-esque as well.

    “Everyone chases after happiness, not noticing that happiness is right at their heels.”

    “Do not fear death so much but rather the inadequate life.”

    “To live means to finesse the processes to which one is subjugated.”

    “He who laughs has not yet heard the bad news.”

    “Sometimes it’s more important to be human, than to have good taste.”

    “Because things are the way they are, things will not stay the way they are.”

    Of course, someone who wrote so creatively and prolifically about issues of social and economic justice in the Weimar 20s had to flee the Hitlerian 30s, and eventually faced the US Congress’ HUAC and Hollywood writers ban.

    May we all speak out and create at our own level of comfort and/or acceptable risk, and be such a positive credit to our having “passed this way.”

  • So of course, having posted, memory now brings back to me what I missed finding, and it was Hesse, likely under Brecht’s influence as well, who wrote in “Steppenwolf” on Harry’s time in the Magic Theatre:

    “Mozart looked at me with intolerable mockery.

    “How pathetic you always are. But you will learn humor yet, Harry. Humor is always gallows-humor, and it is on the gallows you are now constrained to learn it. You are ready? Good. Then off with you to the public prosecutor and let the law take its course with you till your head is coolly hacked off at break of dawn in the prison yard. You are ready for it?” …

    “When I came to myself again, Mozart was sitting beside me as before. He clapped me on the shoulder and said: “You have heard your sentence. So, you see, you will have to learn to listen to more of the radio music of life. It’ll do you good. You are uncommonly poor in gifts, a poor blockhead, but by degrees you will come to grasp what is required of you. You have got to learn to laugh. That will be required of you. You must apprehend the humor of life, its gallows-humor. But of course you are ready for everything in the world except what will be required of you.”

    Both of them writers of the German 1920s, sensing that something indescribably horrific was on its way. Reaching out with inadequate words, to try to convey that sense to others. Does that feel familiar to you?

  • the seventh one must be a real screamer
    doen’t mean we don’t try

    dyi

    with apologies to russ, i’m not very good at world policy

    we can’t get rid of capitalism and corruption by definition of capture and crime

    we valued homes as money and lost. we have to value carbon charred soil to reduce C02 six times more efficiently than the current nation state currency system. this creates new soil for organic food. that’s what Monsanto and the pipeline enemies ar fighting about.

    we have to value soil as 100% private carbon sequestration tax dividends to bio-char soil resources and a organic food carbon-world currency pricing mechanism using nuclear thorium expertise to clean up uranium waste and clean up green energy both which would pay carbon taxes 100% payable to the private citizen world wide. The government and corporations can scramble for the grandfathered nation state currencies. Both nuclear and green energy must come under world wide open regulation using a 10 year sliding world currency regime. this will combine the carbon energies of dreamy hippies and their opportunist pals. So a world valuation of green clean nuclear energy to clean up dangerous nuclear waste and use an organic food world carbon pricing fiat to kick Monsanto and Cargill right in the balls. or something like that. praying to Naomi Klein ain’t gonna save us.
    It’s like Lovelock and Hansen say, if your not saying your for 100% private bio-char tax dividends, then you’re against it. just make it a world wide direct deposit currency, it’s not hard,

    A Minute Or So In Listen to Dr. Thomas J. Goreau:
    http://www.ecoshock.info/2015/01/the-engines-of-life-hit-stall-speed.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+EcoshockNews+%28Ecoshock+News%29

  • “Meanwhile, the transcendentalists do not actually try to touch it at all. Instead, they CONTEMPLATE touching it.”

    Not touching it. BEING it.

    “But if it’s all consciousness, why do we even have physical laws?”

    But if it is all sunlight without shape or colour, how do flowers have shapes and colours?

    “I think, in a much more humble, less anthropocentric way, that an entire universe of possible mathematical relationships, electromagnetic spectrum frequencies, rocks, eagles, and so on, exist “out there” whether any mere humans exists to perceive and conceive of them or not.”

    Note that the statememt begins with “I”, immediately followed by “think”.

    Geophilia falls short of cutting the mustald. Even when in extends to the of sparetime/matter&energy. Reality is described as extending ten fingers (in ten directions) boyond that. And any tether to any part of Reality is to be discountenanced:

    1.1: The Purusha (The Universal Being) has Thousand Heads, Thousand Eyes and Thousand Feet (Thousand signifies innumerable which points to the omnipresence of the Universal Being),
    1.2: He envelops the World from all sides (i.e. He pervades each part of the Creation), and extends beyond in the Ten Directions ( represented by Ten Fingers ),

    “In these times there is no out. I’ve accepted this. I have sort of become immobile.”

    Outs and ins apply to the meat-robot, the body-mind complex. There are neither outs nor ins for the Witness Self.

    “It strikes me that many people today often use “consciousness” as a more modern, politically correct, secular code word to replace the ever-so-popular, alleged, much older “immortal soul”: how we supposedly cheat death, not “really” dying.”

    There is no soul, and no aspect of the body-mind complex is immortal. The bundle of karmic influences may carry over to other embodiments, but that too ceases with realisation.

    “Anatomically identical humans with the same brain size as us have walked the Earth for 200,000 years.”

    The human brain has been shrinking for the past 20,000 years; the brain of today’s average adult male has about a tennis ball’s volume less than our ancestors of 20,000 years ago. Also all domesticated animals have had brain shrinkage since the beginning of their domestication.

    “I have seen 50,000 fish come in on a single tide. The waters boil with them. All the animals come, the seals, the bears, the gulls, the humans, and feast on the salmon, and it is more beautiful, more powerful by far, than any feast any humans could ever create, no matter how much they want to. It feels like love pouring through you to see the giving Earth this way.”

    What do the salmon feel about this?

    “Cancer entities are not known to return from rogue pathology to become normal again”

    Reversion of cancers to normal cells is a well-documented occurrence; induction of such reversion is an active field of current research.

    “In other words they are not bound to the genetics they inherited”

    Inherited genetics accounts for almost all of their metabolic machinery. Most malignacies are a consequence of aberrancies in the functioning of that machinery, due to mutation or inegration of viral genomes.

    “we can follow the urge to try and reach escape velocity, hubris or not.”

    There is no need or urge for the Witness Self to try anything. All such tendencies belong to the body-mind complex, and appear as urges due to the misidentification of the Witness Self with the body-mind complex.

    “@Ram: “Perhaps you don’t recognise the different forms love can take. :/”
    I recognize that most, if not all, forms of “love” are forms of self-interest. That’s the autist in me.”

    “”It is not for the sake of the husband, my beloved, that the husband is dear, but for the sake of the Self.
    ”It is not for the sake of the wife, my beloved, that the wife is dear, but for the sake of the Self.
    ”It is not for the sake of the children, my beloved, that the children are dear, but for the sake of the Self.
    ”It is not for the sake of wealth, my beloved, that wealth is dear, but for the sake of the Self.
    ”It is not for the sake of the Brahmins, my beloved, that the Brahmins are held in reverence, but for the sake of the Self.
    ”It is not for the sake of the Kshatriyas, my beloved, that the Kshatriyas are held in honor, but for the sake of the Self.
    ”It is not for the sake of the higher worlds, my beloved, that the higher worlds are desired, but for the sake of the Self.
    ”It is not for the sake of the gods, my beloved, that the gods are worshiped, but for the sake of the Self.
    ”It is not for the sake of the creatures, my beloved, that the creatures are prized, but for the sake of the Self.
    ”It is not for the sake of itself, my beloved, that anything whatever is esteemed, but for the sake of the Self.
    ”The Self, Maitreyi, is to be known. Hear about it, reflect upon it, meditate upon it. By knowing the Self, my beloved, through hearing, reflection, and meditation, one comes to know all things”” (Brihadaranyaka Upanishad 2.4.5)

  • “What do the salmon feel about this?”

    What do you get out of this kind of thing? This tangential launching into a god-level of understanding that (1) is a non-response to what the person really said, and (2) basically objectifies the person you are talking to. Is what the salmon feel really that important?

    Or is maybe the reality of everything we do now, especially how we relate to the person we are interacting with right now, the more intelligent thing?

    All the beauty, abundance, harmony with the other animals, the SUSTAINABILITY I describe within a specific context is ignored, and the already dying salmon, because salmon die when they spawn (wonder how they feel about that?), now that is what people should think about.

    Other than that, yes, the human brain has been shrinking, and yes, domesticated animals are dumber than their wild counterparts, by a lot.

    Me, too, Pauline. I’m acquiring a real appreciation for Dredd’s comments.

  • feel free to delete my previous comment

    How To Fix Everything
    We are crashing towards mass extinction.
    Climate change is only 1 of 6 drivers of mass extinction.
    Energy demand is set to double in 50 years.
    Emissions have to go down 80% in 30 years.
    Green energy uses more minerals for less energy than fossil fuels.
    Post-peak minerals will hit in 20 years – more energy for less minerals.
    It takes 10X more intermittent energy to displace one unit of fossil energy.
    Green energy systems only last 30 years and have to be replaced.
    We can’t replace billions of green systems every 30 years and save earth.
    Recycling their alloys is difficult and uses more energy than mining.
    Most buyers live near oceans and deserts with increasingly extreme weather.
    We are entering post-peak prosperity, food, water and peace.
    Green energy alone will stop working in times of shortages and economic collapse.

    Green energy doesn’t run on the sun and wind, it runs on mining minerals.
    Green energy is driven by short-term greedy capitalism and corruption.
    In 30 years, when you need to replace your systems, they will be gone.
    We can’t get rid of capitalism and corruption by definition of capture and crime. We have to redefine the basis it works on, which is money.

    We valued homes as money and lost. We have to value carbon charred soil to reduce C02 six times more efficiently than the current nation state currency system. This creates new soil for organic GMO-free food. that’s what Monsanto and the pipeline enemies are fighting about in the Ukraine, in the GMO-free breadbasket of Europe.

    We have to value soil as 100% private carbon sequestration tax dividends to bio-char soil resources and create an organic food carbon-world currency pricing mechanism using nuclear thorium expertise to clean up uranium waste and clean up green energy both which would pay carbon taxes 100% payable to the private citizen world-wide. The government and corporations can scramble for the grandfathered nation state currencies. Both nuclear and green energy must come under world wide open regulation using a 10 year sliding world currency regime. this will combine the carbon energies of dreamy hippies and their opportunist pals. So a world valuation of green clean nuclear energy to clean up dangerous nuclear waste and use an organic food world carbon pricing fiat to kick Monsanto and Cargill right in the balls. Or something like that. praying to Naomi Klein ain’t gonna save us.

    It’s like Lovelock and Hansen say, if you’re not saying your for 100% private bio-char tax dividends, then you’re against it. It’s not hard,

    A Minute Or So In Listen to Dr. Thomas J. Goreau:
    http://www.ecoshock.info/2015/01/the-engines-of-life-hit-stall-speed.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+EcoshockNews+%28Ecoshock+News%29

  • The DENIAL and AVOIDANCE BEHAVIORS on here, are off the charts. Anything to avoid facing the fact that IT IS ALREADY OVER and that EVERYONE who ever lived IS RESPONSIBLE to some degree for the destruction and for the unjust suffering of the innocent.

  • Put down your pencils.
    This test is over.

  • GLOBAL NATIVE PROPHECIES FOCUS ON THIS DREADED GLOBAL TIME OF EARTH CHANGES CREATED BY THIS HORRENDOUS ARTIFICIAL CULTURE WHICH HAS BECOME A GLOBAL CANCER UPON THE SACRED EARTH. HUMANS WORLDWIDE NOW TURN TO SACRED NATURE TO RECONCILE AND HEAL THE GLOBAL CANCER. WE ARE THE ONES WE BEEN WAITING FOR. TOGETHER WE WILL DO ENOUGH TO AVERT THE EXTINCTION OF LIFE. HUMANKIND WILL LIVE AT PEACE WITH NATURE. THE GLOBAL ARTIFICIAL CULTURE WILL BECOME A GLOBAL CULTURE OF HOPE AND RECONCILIATION WITH CONSCIOUS FEMALES LEADING, AND CONSCIOUS ALPHA MALES AS GUARDIANS. JUST DO YOUR PART WITH AN OPEN HEART. WE DO SO FOR ALL LIFE, THE UNBORN 7 GENERATIONS OF ALL BEINGS.YATA HEY.

  • Today’s News Headlines

    Who can track all of the fails
    In this ending of all our travails?
    Like, who new has lied,
    And how many died,
    And similar little details.

  • Ed,

    You wrote “Clearly that nails exactly what happened to you, Bud. So the interesting question here – if you care to explore it publicly – is how did you do it, and WHY did you do it? What tricks of the tricky egoic mind led you to this place of delusion?”

    Thanks for your thought provoking questions! I answered your questions for myself before I read them. My answer to myself, and to you, looks like this:

    In questioning myself about what might motivate me to continue commenting at NBL, I realized that I felt quite angry about the situation here. But WHY? (Which relates to your questions.) Then I realized that I felt angry because people at NBL, yes, including Guy, do not behave any more rationally than other humans in general! I realized that I had an unconscious demand, or should, that at least THEY, and Guy in particular, presumably “should” behave more rationally and helpfully—a nutty demand indeed! For the most part the people who write at NBL seem utterly, naively ignorant of how emotional, physiological flooding short-circuits people’s ability to reason and it strongly drives people toward the negative “attractor” present in most relationships, which processes almost everyone here pursue with glib, enthusiastic, gay abandon. Furthermore, most of them actively avoid learning about such things and changing accordingly, WHICH REALIZATION CLASHED SEVERELY WITH MY NUTTY DEMANDS! In realizing all of this, I immediately felt a strong sense of resolution and relief, a big “Ahaa!”. Knowing this, I quickly ended these insane demands and so I feel peaceful once again.

    What might motivate me to comment further here? Pretty much the same things that have motivated me in the past: (1) In communicating with others here, whether in “positive” or “negative” ways, I often find myself developing new or old ideas as well as (2) practicing expressing them better, more clearly and skillfully, and (3) practicing what seem to me important social and emotional skills, especially in response to the often profoundly negative dynamics that occur here so often. So I have found commenting here extremely productive in many ways. I may or may not continue those processes. I find realizing all of these things very helpful in thinking about it.

    Regarding your point that “Perhaps they are just one more instantiation of the very same mind tricks that have led us to the precipice of extinction, in spite of our individual and common idealism, and the ready availability of empirical data.” I would say, CERTAINLY. As Albert Ellis would have pointed, out quite obviously: “Humans are fucking nuts!” We exist first and foremost as highly emotional, extremely anxious animals, NOT “rational” animals. We very quickly and easily become physiologically, emotionally “flooded” such that we cannot think rationally. Thus the incredibly destructive nature of much of the language that flows so freely here—a self-destruct mechanism built into the commenting process here at NBL and strongly supported by most people, obviously including Guy. One could hardly consciously design a system better to take people as quickly as possible into negative sentiment override and the negative attractors that usually occur among people, getting them stuck in Markov Absorbing States (emotional traps easy to enter and difficult to get out of).

  • “Knock, knock”

    “Whose there?”

    “Extinction”

    “Extinction who?”

    “NEAR TERM EXTINCTION!” HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

  • Bud Nye,

    you are the perfect example of why humans need to go extinct, as quickly as possible.

  • Kirk Hamilton,
    human extinction would mean the end of all the suffering they cause.
    I can laugh at that.

  • @ Bud

    I can very much relate to your frustration Bud, and often find myself hypocritically acting out more than letting go. For me this space was once very special, and have long seen a need to protect the fragility of the newly discovered reality in which many of us were in the process of coming to terms with, and it saddens me to see what it has become.

    I once saw NBL as a space for profound commiseration among those who had painfully come to accept what we could no longer deny. My initial response to Guy’s “We’re done”, was something like ” …finally, a place where no one needs to lie to themselves anymore”, and I very much took solace in knowing that there was at least this small group of people who had come to similar conclusions as to the fate of our species as I had. However, most of those people have already left probably for the same reasons I should.

    The open forum simply allows for too much background noise from the vested interests or those who are still wrestling–as we are ourselves–with probably the single most disturbing thought we’ve ever had to internalize.

    The vitriolic need to blame “otherness”, is something I find rather maddening, though I know it’s both predictable and unavoidable, but nevertheless, it now seems to dominate this space for better or worse. Foolish of me to think otherwise.

    Glad you have far more patience than I, and that you’re able to challenge us, and yourself in ways I probably haven’t the maturity to implement myself. Keep at it, I for one always look forward to your thoughtful insight.

  • Hey No Justice=No Freedom, we must be soul-buddies! I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, “humanity has proven itself unworthy of existence.” Like you, NJ, I’m starkly aware of the darkness birthed through the infliction of unnecessary suffering. Sure, there are lots of ‘nice’ people doing nicie-nice things, but all their actions combined don’t come close to justifying what’s done in their name. For many years I’ve felt a strong desire to see mankind wiped out. Now, it’s finally going to happen!!! NJ, I’m proud to know ya!

    My dad used to love to say that NYC is the asshole of America. I say, the human mind is the asshole of the Universe!

  • @Daniel, I’m glad to see you back, and appreciate your posts. I hope you are well, and will check in every now and then when you can.

  • Blame otherness? I don’t blame otherness, I blame this wretched black hole nihilism and mean spirited mockery of people who are struggling to define themselves and their condition under the most challenging of circumstances, especially those who apply their energies to achieving justice, fairness and a restoration, however compromised, of equilibrium.

    As far as I can tell, the most rational path under current circumstances leads directly to unremitting agitation and pre-figurative political freeganist insurrection. But maybe yours leads directly to cheez whiz, Game of Thrones or The Uptown Funk Dance. Who am I to judge?

  • A lot of jackal talk lately. My apprentice giraffe ears are burning.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEqmZ2E1o64 (Marshall Rosenberg full video)

    Thanks oldgrowthforest for pointing out this resource earlier this month. There is so much pain in the world, even more if you listen.

    Remember, Only Love Remains.

  • Take the blue pill and wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe.

  • If the hypothesis can’t be quantified and duplicated then why waste your time?

  • The idea of a prison camp – specifically Auschwitz, in Oświęcim, Poland – where Hitler’s soldiers could shoot, hang, poison, mutilate and starve men, women and children en mass was not an idea Hitler, the bigot, came up with on his own. In fact, the Pulitzer-Prize winning biographer John Toland wrote that Hitler was inspired in part by the Indian reservation system – a creation of the United States.

    “Hitler’s concept of concentration camps as well as the practicality of genocide owed much, so he claimed, to his studies of English and United States history,” Toland wrote in his book, Adolf Hitler: The Definitive Biography. “He admired the camps for Boer prisoners in South Africa and for the Indians in the wild west; and often praised to his inner circle the efficiency of America’s extermination—by starvation and uneven combat—of the red savages who could not be tamed by captivity…

    And, of course, the evidence is readily available to those who’d seek it that European settlers (i.e. invaders who would later divorce themselves from their motherland, renaming each other “Americans”) did, in fact, set into motion a detailed template – justifications (Divine Right), policies (Indian Removal), procedures (Wounded Knee) – for Hitler to follow.

    http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2015/01/27/ugly-precursor-auschwitz-hitler-said-have-been-inspired-us-indian-reservation-system

    The film talked about The Long Walk of the Navajo, which was the 1864 deportation and attempted ethnic cleansing of the Navajo people by the U.S. government. 8,000 Navajos were forced to walk more than 300 miles at gunpoint from their ancestral homelands in northeastern Arizona and northwestern New Mexico to an internment camp in Bosque Redondo…
    During the film I learned about something that shook me to my core that I had not heard before. I learned that the genocidal mentality and actions of the U.S. policy makers would find similar expression years later when the Nazis, under Hitler, studied the plans of Bosque Redondo to design the concentration camps for Jews.

    http://www.jewishjournal.com/sacredintentions/item/hitlers_inspiration_and_guide_the_native_american_holocaust

  • I need some giraffe ears! Thanks e-guy, for posting the link again. I love Marshall. He is hilarious. And he lays it out there. It’s not complicated at all how to keep aggression and violence out of language. Anyone with an honest heart can see it. It’s so simple he uses puppets! Ha! We need it that simple, is the sad thing. It shows how far removed we are from the realities we create. Love Marshall!

    Thank you, one more time, Wester. If for any reason you ever need a friend or a favor in Alaska, please call me.

    The genocide in the Americas was ongoing butchery of everyone, children, babies, everyone, millions and millions of them. Whose land are we on, indeed. And who is not here? We have everything they ever owned.

    Only the same kind of culture/people that could produce such a true Hell on earth, one that would lead to the Hell we are fast approaching now, could then, in the absence of an entire continent of people and their histories, millions upon millions of them, discuss how the murdered people were no better than those who purposely exterminated them for over 400 years.

    And this is accepting reality? I don’t think so. I think there are far better conversations to be had.

  • Without compass or star or familiar path. We’ve entered the uncharted territories at the fringe of the abyss. Drawn, perhaps by perverse curiosity, we ventured a bit too close to the black hole of extinction. Now its gravity has us and there isn’t any escape. While only a small percentage have heard the news, many feel something’s gone horribly wrong. A queasy malaise pervades. Some clutch frantically as security blankets are torn away. Homes too. Along the path of extinction all of us will leave behind all we carry. There are no comforts or addresses in the abyss. It is hard to find courage and stoic grace. Impossible to navigate, find your way, when there isn’t a destination.

    Might as well give nature a few more kisses while you can. Hold the earth with your toes and inhale the sunset.

  • http://www.desdemonadespair.net/2015/01/south-australia-to-get-much-hotter-and.html
    [begins]
    South Australia to get much hotter and drier, new climate change report warns – ‘There is very high confidence that hot days will become more frequent and hotter’

    South Australia is only going to get hotter and drier and more prevalent periods of drought and fire-related conditions will continue to increase, a report released today reveals.

    The CSIRO and Bureau of Meteorology report says what climate change experts have been saying for a long time — climate change is real.

    The experts predict Adelaide will experience an increase in the number of days above 35C from 20 in 1995 to 26 in 2030, to between 28 and 47 in 2090.

    TO READ THE FULL REPORT CLICK HERE [pdf]

    The report states global warming will push southern Australia into drought for longer periods and droughts across Australia will become more extreme.

    Fire weather is also expected to increase, seas will rise further and faster and the water will become more acidic. [read it, if interested]

    This report stretches out to 2090, so if you think like dairymandave, there’s no point talking about it.

  • critics welcome
    rearticulated nonsense:

    Best Carbon Practices
    We are crashing towards mass extinction.
    Climate change is only 1 of 6 drivers of mass extinction.
    Energy demand is set to double in 50 years.
    Emissions have to go down 80% in 30 years.
    Green energy uses more minerals for less energy than fossil fuels.
    Post-peak minerals will hit in 20 years – more energy for less minerals.
    It takes 10X more intermittent energy to displace one unit of fossil energy.
    Green energy systems only last 30 years and have to be replaced.
    We can’t replace billions of green systems every 30 years and save earth.
    Recycling their alloys is difficult and uses more energy than mining.

    Green energy doesn’t run on the sun and wind, it runs on mining minerals.
    Green energy is driven by short-term greedy capitalism and corruption.
    In 30 years, when you need to replace your systems, it will cost too much.
    We can’t get rid of capitalism and corruption by definition of capture and crime. We have to redefine the basis it works on, which is money.

    Carbon charring soil can reduce C02 six times more efficiently than anything else we can do. It also rejuvenates and renews soil. We have to reduce C02 more efficiently than the current national currency system. We do this by pricing bio-charred soil using 100% private-citizen carbon-tax dividends with no share for corporations and governments directly deposited to you in a new world currency system so that fossil energy pays you to carbon-char soil.

    Pricing carbon-charred soil produced organic food in this new currency will reduce GMO foods. Pricing carbon-taxes into livestock consumption will reduce emissions and species extinctions. Crop and pasture lands are responsible for 80% of species extinctions. We have to hit a bullseye on 4 moving targets at once with tax incentives worldwide all at once:

    1) carbon-charring soils,
    2) livestock reductions and
    3) organic food production.
    4) energy emissions reductions

    We will have to turn depleted uranium munitions into ploughshares all over the world at once. That’s why Monsanto and the gas-pipeline giants are killing each other in the Ukraine, for money and power, in one of the last GMO-free breadbaskets of Europe.

    We have to use nuclear thorium power to clean up uranium waste to provide the base power green energy needs to clean up its act and reach carbon-energy resource efficiencies. There are not enough resources to cover the world in solar panels every 30 years. See: http://www.globalcoral.org/

    Will we do it? Nope, too greedy and fearful.

  • AJO , CHIEF REYNA, EVERYONE,

    DNA IS LIKE YOUR PAINT PALLETTE .

    A WHOLLY NEW CANVAS FOR CREATION COMES FROM EXTINCTION.

    THE CURRENT CYCLE IS ‘THE METHANE WOMB’ c)2015 .

    THE OLD DNA MUST BE ERASED TO PAINT A NEW AND IMPROVED RECIPE FOR ANY

    DOMINANT SPECIES OF THE FUTURE.

    LOVE.

  • No Justice = No Freedom,

    You wrote, obviously designed as a crude, childish insult: “you are the perfect example of why humans need to go extinct, as quickly as possible.” You do realize that you could have strengthened your intended insult significantly by beginning with a phrase like “You cock-sucking moron…” and then finishing the comment, don’t you? If you would do that when you intend to insult people, you could approach the higher quality of david higham’s commenting and thus gain significantly greater esteem and support from many more people here at NBL. Anyway:

    Really. Would you care to provide me and others here with some details as to why I supposedly serve as such an example while YOU, presumably, do not? I anxiously await reading your reasoning about this—assuming, of course, that you do actually reason about this versus just throwing an emotional temper tantrum designed to insult others, as so many so often do here in best anarchist fashion. Related to this, would you also please explain what you had hoped to accomplish with this intended insult? I have now asked this question of five or six different people, I think, and I don’t recall a single person having answered it. Hopefully you will. For example, something like “I am an anarchist who believes no group should have and enforce any rules whatEVER (unless they are MY rules, of course), and since your ideas clash with mine, you should die while I should live.” Or “I’m a psychopathic bully and I get a kick out of hurting other people as much as possible; it’s almost as good as jerking off. So you should die and I should live.” Either of these would serve well as possible answers. But I know that you have your own, personal reasons. Please do share them.

    By the way, in case anyone has any interest (and I doubt that many people do) the research shows quite clearly that contrary to popular belief people doing this kind of cathartic release does NOT help them with their anger. People get MORE angry, not less, when they express their anger, which partially accounts for the positive feedback nature of the pathological vitriol, the verbal violence, we see so often here in these comments. But who gives a shit about any of that? We have long since established that the top priority here, by far, involves Romantic, narcissistic, self-expression, no matter how outrageous, how out of touch with reality, or how destructive within individuals or socially among us.

    Daniel,

    Thanks so much for your kind remarks. Of course I agree with you completely. I would find it most interesting to know the percentage of people who visit here and either do not comment and/or promptly leave because of the powerfully destructive nature of dynamics built into the structure here, which, obviously, very few people wish to change. No way exists to get that information, but I expect that we would find the percentage shockingly high—and mostly happening in the name of “love”, “compassion”, and “freedom” no less. Happily, many people recognize bullying when it happens and promptly, self-defensively avoid such situations. I experience rare comments such as yours as candles spread thinly across an otherwise dark countryside, helping to light the way.

    Regarding patience, I did teach high school chemistry and physics for eight years, after all. A large percentage of people who comment here behave like pubescent junior high and high school students; we DO exist, for the most part, as highly emotional children, no matter what our chronological age. (Yes, more often than I like to admit, that includes me.) Also, I have, over decades of often painful work, managed to work my way out of most of my insane human supremacist views. I usually deeply, emotionally accept now that we humans really do find ourselves profoundly insane, nutty animals. I find that not hoping for or expecting rational thinking and behavior from anyone at any time helps greatly. Humans really are fucking nuts. Really. Thanks again, Daniel.

  • Hey
    Bud Nye,

    you might want to stop assuming that everything you assume is necessarily the fact. And then, stop putting your own words into other people’s mouths. I was simply stating what I think is a fact, i.e, that “you are the perfect example of why humans need to go extinct, as quickly as possible.” … So, no need to provide more evidence of what is already abundantly clear to everyone on here who has to skip over your long, self-absorbed, narcissistic essays, on a daily basis.

  • Hey
    Bud Nye,

    oops, I just realized that I just gave you a shot of the fix you are constantly on here to get: attention.

  • Here is a suggestion
    for Bud Nye and for Guy McPherson (your enabler).

    How about if those individuals (like Bud Nye) who are all too often posting long essay responses to any article posted on NBL, simple post a link to their lengthy texts (which they can post on their on blogs) for those who are interested?

    That way the rest of those who find themselves coming back to NBL don’t have to be forced to scroll over multiple, (NBL rule-violating) daily, loooonnng and ‘unofficially published’ essays.

    But, hey, I know. Everyone comes here at their risk and peril. We are all, each responsible for our own actions.

  • The blade drops. The head, neatly severed, falls into the waiting basket. Blood spurts gaily from the neck, speckling the giraffe ears Mme DeFarge is knitting.

    She turns to her equally sprinkled friend, and in her best E-Prime, says gaily, “Only love remains!”.

  • – – –
    “And in the end, the love you get is [only] equal to the love you make.
    – – –
    You are what you do. What you do is your life.
    A just life is it own reward.
    Evil (injustice, causing suffering) is its own punishment, because by doing evil, you make your own life and yourself evil.
    No “god” necessary. No “god” there to save you from yourself.

  • Wester Says:
    January 27th, 2015 at 7:14 pm
    “Blame otherness? I don’t blame otherness, I blame this wretched black hole nihilism and mean spirited mockery of people who are struggling to define themselves and their condition under the most challenging of circumstances, especially those who apply their energies to achieving justice, fairness and a restoration, however compromised, of equilibrium.

    As far as I can tell, the most rational path under current circumstances leads directly to unremitting agitation and pre-figurative political freeganist insurrection. But maybe yours leads directly to cheez whiz, Game of Thrones or The Uptown Funk Dance. Who am I to judge?”

    Once again, EXCELLENT! Too bad that this you respond to have no intention of listening to anything except their own internal incessant buzz which they constantly seek to afflict upon the rest of us. But thanks for articulating what needs to be counterposed to their ravings. The practical outcome of what the likes of Daniel, Bud Nye and Lidia do is that they continue to benefit from the privileges of living in the global empire’s home office while telling the world that there’s nothing to do about it, it’s all useless.

  • No Justice = No Freedom,

    Sweet how you changed the subject and did not respond to either of my questions. That really serves as the best “reasoning” you can pull off for us? You did NOT write “WE are the perfect examples of why humans need to go extinct, as quickly as possible.” You wrote that I am, specifically excluding yourself and presumably also your family and friends. So again: why do I supposedly serve as such an example while YOU, presumably, do not? Please also explain what you had hoped to accomplish with your (now continuing) intended insults. Please switch from emotional vomit mode into thinking mode and answer the questions this time instead of just continuing with your intended insults.

  • “The two most important days in your life are the day you were born and the day you find out why.” Mark Twain

    Don’t know how anyone would interpret this but I’m curious? Apparently I have a pea brain because I cannot come up with a thing.

  • “the day you find out why”

    For me this means the day you decide there is (or will be) a purpose to your life, and figure out what it is.

  • Is there something about the words “Near Term Extinction” that the current crop of angry posters fail to comprehend?

  • Prompted by Ed’s comment,

    I just revisited Guy McPherson’s, “Only Love Remains”

    and I have to wonder.

    Is this phrase (now become one NBL’s slogans) just another example of “hoppium” or “denial/avoidance?”

    I have encountered the slogan used in a few different contexts and used to mean a few different things.

    Under which circumstances is “love” the only thing “that remains?”

    How come, under those circumstances, is love the only thing that remains?

    What happens to the suffering of the innocent?

    What happens to the culpability and moral responsibility (the guilt) of those who unjustly caused the innocent to suffer, to be harmed and to dies?

    Etc. …

  • No Justice = No Freedom

    Your presumptuously inappropriate commentary regarding Bud Nye the Science Guy IS NOT shared by everyone here. Quite the opposite. Bud is a fine gentleman with a sharp mind. I welcome and admire his writing.

  • @Paul: Is there something about the words “Near Term Extinction” that the current crop of angry posters fail to comprehend?

    >>>

    Just out of curiosity, Paul…why single out the current crop? Last year’s crop was bountiful as well, as was the year before that, and the year before that, as well.

    As I mentioned before, my own reading of the archives – including Guy’s own snarling at anyone who dares question him – provide all the empirical evidence one needs to decipher the true meaning of “Only love remains”.

    It’s very much the NTE equivalent of Orwellian phrases such as “The Ministry of Peace”.

    That’s what makes this place such a hoot! It’s an unintentionally hilarious Monty Python movie just keeps on going.

    Make some popcorn, and enjoy the show…eh?

  • FriedrichKling,

    why is my commentary about Bud Nye, “presumptuously inappropriate?”

    Just because you disagree?

    And where did I write that I was speaking for “everyone on here?”

    But your coming to the Bud Nye’s defense (with unfounded accusations) does reinforce my growing feeling that this blog is being used by some as their own self-adulating echo chamber.

  • Guy McPherson has stated that Paul Beckwith, not being a biologist (as McPherson himself is) Beckwith cannot understand that human’s (and human sustaining habit) cannot survive the rise in global temperature that Beckwith forecasts.

    How is it that Guy McPherson, a biologist, thinks that he is qualified to lecture people on human psychology and behavior (after a brief January 2014 seminar on how to deal with grief)?

    This blog and his work, in general, suffers gravely (at the expense of many of those who encounter it) because he is going so far outside of his own legitimate field of expertise. Yes, he is getting out the news that “it’s over, folks,” but he is paving the road to hell for many with his “good” intentions.

    Guy, are you actually helping anyone or are you enabling them?

    And really, do you think yourself qualified to even answer that question, after just one year of being in recovery?

    Caution.

  • No Whatever,

    Yeah, like I really need a NBL self-adulating echo chamber to make my life complete.

    Are you aware there is a generally accepted rule, subject to exceptions, of two posts every 24 hours?


  • FriedrichKling

    I would not know about any rules on NBL, by looking at all the daily multiple posters, one of the chief offenders by Bud Nye, whom you defend.

  • “this blog is being used by some as their own self-adulating echo chamber.”

    Indeed. And you’re off to an impressive start.

  • Wester Says:
    January 27th, 2015 at 8:13 pm

    The idea of a prison camp – specifically Auschwitz, in Oświęcim, Poland – where Hitler’s soldiers could shoot, hang, poison, mutilate and starve men, women and children en mass was not an idea Hitler, the bigot, came up with on his own. In fact, the Pulitzer-Prize winning biographer John Toland wrote that Hitler was inspired in part by the Indian reservation system – a creation of the United States.

    “Hitler’s concept of concentration camps as well as the practicality of genocide owed much, so he claimed, to his studies of English and United States history …”
    ==========================
    The propagandists of that regime learned from the father of American propaganda as well:

    [Bernays remembers that] Karl von Weigand, foreign correspondent of the Hearst newspapers, an old hand at interpreting Europe and just returned from Germany, was telling us about Goebbels and his propaganda plans to consolidate Nazi power. Goebbels had shown Weigand his propaganda library, the best Weigand had ever seen. Goebbels, said Weigand, was using my [Bernays’] book Crystallizing Public Opinion as a basis for his destructive campaign against the Jews of Germany. This shocked me. … Obviously the attack on the Jews of Germany was no emotional outburst of the Nazis, but a deliberate, planned campaign.

    (Exceptional American Propaganda Inspired NAZI Goebbels).

    Just another part of the YAH psychological problem (You Are Here).

  • ed states:
    “What happens to the suffering of the innocent?”
    You love them and suffer with them.
    What do you do?

    Also states:
    “What happens to the culpability and moral responsibility (the guilt) of those who unjustly caused the innocent to suffer, to be harmed and to dies?”
    So you’re saying that you know of a way to force someone to feel guilty?

    I agree with what treenoise
    “And in the end, the love you get is [only] equal to the love you make.
    – – –
    You are what you do. What you do is your life.
    A just life is it own reward.
    Evil (injustice, causing suffering) is its own punishment, because by doing evil, you make your own life and yourself evil.
    No “god” necessary. No “god” there to save you from yourself.”

  • @No Justice = No Freedom

    Perhaps you are not aware that there is a two post per day rule in effect on this part of the NBL website. There is an addtional section of the NBL website that has been set up as a forum with relaxed posting rules so that you may continue your conversations with NBL participants.

  • logspirit Says:
    January 27th, 2015 at 11:17 pm

    Without compass or star or familiar path. We’ve entered the uncharted territories at the fringe of the abyss. Drawn, perhaps by perverse curiosity, we ventured a bit too close to the black hole of extinction. Now its gravity has us and there isn’t any escape. While only a small percentage have heard the news, many feel something’s gone horribly wrong. A queasy malaise pervades. Some clutch frantically as security blankets are torn away. Homes too. Along the path of extinction all of us will leave behind all we carry. There are no comforts or addresses in the abyss. It is hard to find courage and stoic grace. Impossible to navigate, find your way, when there isn’t a destination.

    Might as well give nature a few more kisses while you can. Hold the earth with your toes and inhale the sunset.
    ===========================================
    Indeed.

    — that is my two for the day —

    love and peace

  • Oh, and E-man is short for Emmanuel.(nickname chosen by my friends)

    Sorry for the third post.

  • Jeff S.

    You state:

    “….Satish and Andrew Harvey have joined me in making the “ridiculous” claim that human behavior is changeable, they and the likes of Wester and others, as well as me, have provided the names and ideas of numerous anthropologists who think likewise.”

    Your entire position mandates you deny the near term timing of NTE. You do understand this, yes?

    One has either come to accept that most of life will be extinct within the next thirty years, or they haven’t. If you haven’t, then you don’t really have much to say in regards to whatever thought comes after such a horrific initiation, other than voice your contemptuous opposition as to what you refuse to accept yourself, which I believe you have now been doing for at least two years!!!

    We hear you Jeff. You don’t accept the premise upon which Guy has now dedicated himself to discussing, and which many of us have seen coming for far too long. You’re clinging to that part where Guy vaguely still promotes “resistance”, but are choosing to overlook everything else.

    You’re a smart man who grasps that NTE fundamentally undermines your vested interests, and not unlike most opposition that has come through this space, you are seeking to protect the critical moral imperative upon which your perspective is based. I get that. And if it wasn’t for the last seven years of unprecedented climate data, we would most likely still be as thick as thieves.

    But you can continue to make whatever claim you want. You can postulate whatever idea you want. You can name any number of anthropologist who also postulate “ideas” similar to yours. The world is overrun with opinions. But what you, nor anyone can provide–which is really the crux of the matter–is relevant evidence that humanity is able of collectively changing its behavior in any significant manner capable of mitigating either ecological overshoot or NTE. We can’t moralize an alternative reality into existence.

    And where even if you could provide it, do you honestly think any of us would be here discussing NTE if you could? Do you think you have somehow seen something real, that everyone else has somehow overlooked for decades?

    Of course there are those who think they have seen through, but that’s where the concept of hopium comes into play.

    You’re still stuck in a worldview that no longer exists, even though most everyone here still wishes it did. It’s far easier to pretend you’re stressing about “us here”, then have to truly sit with yourself and the mountain of unprecedence now upon us, and have to come to terms with a reality that is nearly impossible to live with.

    It’s far easier to continue to cry injustice under the conjecture that justice can somehow be served, than have to accept that not only will there never been anything resembling justice for anyone, but that there will never be anything resembling life as we know it. This is the premise upon which this blog is based.

    You’re choosing to dwell in lesser orders of magnitude, which affords you the belief in human agency where there is none.

    And I’m not even really fighting with you as much as myself at this point. Our perspectives were once nearly identical. There was a time that Marx was the center of my world, not unlike a whole cadre of past theorist and radicals, but that was a long time ago. It might behoove you to either remember or discover Engels’ epitaph of Marx. It bears far more relevance to our current circumstances than Marx’s prescient economic analysis. I mean even Chomsky has failed us, and he’s still living!

    Virtually everything that both you and Wester continue to lament, I once very much did as well. But nothing trumps present empirical evidence that all hope is now lost. And that’s really what is at stake; it’s not really about accepting NTE, as much as it is about learning to live without any hope of a future.

    No matter how much I still want to believe that there just might be that hidden incentive within the human condition, just needing the right opportunity to finally detonate systemic change onto the global stage. Alas,I have been doing everything I can to instigate that moment my entire adult life up until fairly recently, and know that literally generations before me were waiting for that very same moment to arrive as well, all the while…………the population having more than doubled during my lifetime.

    As ever more time passes throughout our lives, it becomes painfully clear that the lesson to be learned has less to do with others coming around to how we see things, and has everything to do with seeing what has always been staring back at us i.e. Engels’ epitaph.

    The life of a political radical was a lonely road long before NTE made itself known. We must learn to let go, whether we believe anyone deserves to or not. You have got to let go of the blame my friend, it no longer serves any purpose but to sustain our hope for what we know will never be.

  • E-man Says:
    January 28th, 2015 at 1:23 pm
    ed states:
    “What happens to the suffering of the innocent?”
    You love them and suffer with them.
    What do you do?

    Also states:
    “What happens to the culpability and moral responsibility (the guilt) of those who unjustly caused the innocent to suffer, to be harmed and to dies?”
    So you’re saying that you know of a way to force someone to feel guilty?

    >>>

    Nope. Warn’t me.

  • Robt C

    I’m going to cross-post the following onto the forum, since it seems to be about how land is used.

    It could save others a lot of research time if you could say more about biochar sequestration. How would you explain the why and how to a fourth grader? Most people are somewhere around that level in technical and scientific understanding.

    Why organic food is preferable (in simple terms) would help most people too.

    Where is there a link to your 80% cropland figure re species exticnction?

    “Pricing carbon-charred soil produced organic food in this new currency will reduce GMO foods. Pricing carbon-taxes into livestock consumption will reduce emissions and species extinctions. Crop and pasture lands are responsible for 80% of species extinctions. We have to hit a bullseye on 4 moving targets at once with tax incentives worldwide all at once:

    1) carbon-charring soils,
    2) livestock reductions and
    3) organic food production.
    4) energy emissions reductions”

  • My mistake ed, must be all this methane, among other chemicals, permeating into my body.

    It was meant as a response to No Justice = No Freedom.

    Again sorry for my fourth post.

  • Sorry for the 3rd post, but I must dispel a continued grievous misunderstanding.

    Wester and Dredd- “where Hitler’s soldiers could shoot, hang, poison, mutilate and starve men, women…”

    This is a grossly inaccurate statement due to perpetuated misunderstandings. The VAST majority of the Wehrmacht learned of the concentration camps only at the end of the war, and they were surprised and disgusted (you must remember that German Jews served with distinction in WW I as officers and enlisted personnel). I know from speaking with family members that the civilian and military population was singularly focused on their respective wartime responsibilities. Information was tightly controlled. The ministry of propaganda informed the citizenry that the Jews were sent to resettle sparsely populated regions to the East.

    Furthermore, the Waffen SS was an elite fighting force ONLY equivalent to the Special Forces, Seals, and Rangers combined. This was a separate military organization whose mission was to serve as a rapid reaction force. Other than German, Waffen SS divisions were formed from volunteers in Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, The Baltic States, Belgium, Spain, and the Soviet Union.

    By the end of the war more than 1,000,000 former Soviet soldiers had volunteered for German military service under the command of Soviet General Vlasov.

  • Daniel continues to spout the one-track misanthropic stream that he has been spouting for the last several months, not in the least copping to the fact that he is counseling passivity in the face of extreme injustice while continuing to benefit from the social arrangements which depend upon that injustice.

    I will simply re-post the last two paragraphs of the article i wrote which was posted at this site in May 2013, Resistance is the Only Ethical Response to Near-Term Extinction. And no, Guy isn’t simply going through motions, hie lives the life of resistance.

    https://guymcpherson.com/2013/05/resistence-is-the-only-ethical-response-to-near-term-extinction/

    “Some folks counsel for us to give in, to reject making a stand, and to counter “bad vibes” with “joy.” Such notions given the present situation show to me people who are in a privileged position in global society, coasting on top of terrain anchored upon slave mines in Africa and South America, sweatshops in Bangladesh and China (and even in North America) as well as on massive ecocide. People in those situations do not engage in discussions whether resistance is appropriate. They have to resist just to survive day to day. Please spare us talk of how “we are all equally at fault,” “it’s just human nature,” and “we need to all come together and recognize our common humanity,” or false hopes that the ruling elites will somehow do the right thing. There is no one “we.” There is the vast majority of ordinary humans on one hand, and a tiny segment of ruling elites who are psychopaths and sociopaths, determined to keep their system going and their social power intact no matter what, who have made and continue to make the essential decisions which have led to the current situation of near-term extinction. The current holocaust, currently in its early stages, will affect all of humanity and the bulk of the ecosystem, putting the Nazi version to shame. Passivity is complicity. Silence is consent.
    Prattling about how resistance is futile and how we’re better to retreat into passive contemplation and getting those around us to passively accept it all is exactly what the mass media do day in and day out. Let’s not pretend that it’s anything but another form of pacification. Our predicament is like that of someone who is tied up in a boat which is rapidly approaching a large waterfall. If this person could get untied and jump off, they are highly likely to be swept up by the current and go over anyway. But how many people would simply not even try? I intend to go on with my resistance, be it in public acts of defiance, conveying information through writing and talking, or helping out with my neighborhood collective native plant garden, pacification efforts be damned.”

  • Sorry for the extra post, for some reason the URL above doesn’t work, try

    Resistance is the Only Ethical Response to Near-Term Extinction

    Ha, i see the problem, a misspelling.

  • I don’t believe Guy snarls at people who disagree with him. I think he snarls at people who target him with some pretty questionable behaviors, instead of having a reasonable discussion of the research and information. I don’t know how he remains as stoic as he is in the face of the obviously psycho world he encounters. Obviously, Paul Beckwith doesn’t agree with him, and I remember that Thom Hartman still has hope and he doesn’t agree with Guy, either. He doesn’t “snarl” at them.

    I have disagreed with Guy on the subject of spirituality, and I’ve said so. He’s never snarled at me. Of course, I don’t use my disagreement as giftwrap on what was ill will and insults. I just stated my piece, and Guy was polite and allowed me to say something he considers moronic and let it go at that. I always appreciate how he does that, and I also respect it. Now, I would do the same with anyone who said they were an atheist. I don’t care what they hold as truth on that score. And if they did it as I do it, just state “that’s where I’m at in life, man,” I’d be very cool with the person. I wouldn’t impose on them at all with my worldview in that way.

    But that’s not what happens, is it? No one stops there. They have to go on and be destructive to the other person, resist, argue against something they disagree with. I use the word disagree very purposely, because the rationalists among us are as bad as any evangelical. They are not (and they will justify this behavior, too) happy to simply disagree. They want to launch straight into the “proof” thing (justified by the history thing) and if they don’t get it, they want to insult, be contemptuous, and judge the person as inferior.

    I don’t think people who don’t see the world the way I do are inferior at all. I think they just haven’t experience things that other people experience, and it’s only right that they don’t “believe.” No sane person would.

    The intelligence behind Marshall’s work, how he is able to distinguish between the *truly* objective and the interpretive/diagnostic judgments in our messages and statements, is an extraordinary moral and psychological discipline. It is profound, like Byron Katie’s work, where we discipline ourselves in a new way of thinking and speaking, a way that is not laden with judgment after judgment, which is always a kind of violence.

    In a situation like this one, in every single moment, anyone who wants to can make a choice to let go of the psychological and language violence. Anyone who wants to can learn to express themselves in statements that are observational and that communicate feelings and needs, rather than judgments.

    I know that one way looks wimpy, and the other appears so strong. Being right, erudite, having justification, rationalizations to support the sweeping evaluations, the need to be more god-like in our declarations as to “How Things Are,” all the things we do other than be free of the past in the moment now, are the addiction, the maya, the way we make now like then.

    Right now is the moment of power in everyone’s life to choose nonviolence and non-destruction. We treat people the way we treat them because of who we are, not because of who they are. Only taking 100% responsibility for our own behavior and not being devaluing, denigrating, insulting, blaming, shaming of others, no matter what, NOW, is the only way to have some peace. It’s not something we can leave to others to do. It’s an inside job.

  • One’s time embodied as a human being is finIte. Is it worth it to spend any of it in hate, blame, sorrow, despair, anger or such? Those who lose focus on the finitude of our lives may answer in the affirmative.

    Overly long and verbose comments will continue to defeat their intended purpose by failing to hold attention, or by being skipped over altogether.

    Attempting to stir up the mammalian and the primate brain by asking for reasons for behaviours that originaie in the reptilian brain is an exercise in futility.

    The reptilian brain is non-rational, non-verbal, the seat of emotions and values. It is the controller of the mammalian and primate brains, and those will plan and execute the behaviours commanded by the reptilian brain, and seek out or invent rational justifications for that behaviour.

    Appeals to the chauffeur will not affect where the car goes. One has to address the reptilian boss in the back seat if one wishes to change human behaviour. The great religions and the great ideologies were coucheh in appeals to values and emotions; intellectual rationalisations were ancillary.

    Human behaviour can be changed on a collective scale, as the Christianisation of Europe and the abandonment of Viking raids, and also individually.

  • @ Daniel Says:
    January 28th, 2015 at 2:20 pm

    You can postulate whatever idea you want. You can name any number of anthropologist who also postulate “ideas” similar to yours. The world is overrun with opinions. But what you, nor anyone can provide–which is really the crux of the matter–is relevant evidence that humanity is able of collectively changing its behavior in any significant manner capable of mitigating either ecological overshoot or NTE. We can’t moralize an alternative reality into existence.

    Another outstanding comment, in its entirety and depth of perception! Alas, “opinions” are tantamount to “beliefs” in that neither require or withstand critical thinking. Even more depressing, how few seem predisposed or even capable of the latter! Cases in point, the “elections” of R.Nixon, R. Reagan, H.W. Bush, W. Clinton, M. Bachmann, J. Inhofe, L. Gomert, G.W. Bush, B. Obama, etc. ad infinitum! The species known as homo sapiens sapiens exhibits, mostly, something other than rational thinking. Perhaps it is no accident that the words rational and rationalize are antithetical.

  • @Robin,

    Yes. To all of it.

  • @ Daniel re: the quote that Colin posted,

    Yes to that too. Exactly so.

  • big ol’ YES to ogf above.

  • Hiya, mo!

    I want to add, me letting go of violence first, creating true peace through a particular type of nonresistance, no matter what, is not the peace I want. It requires an inner mastery that is far harder than cleverness. But, it’s the only peace available to me, so my only choice possible is to take it or leave it. When we want it enough, we’ll surrender our ‘self’ and take the peace. That’s two.

  • NEWS FLASH……………..

    When you require postage, remember to ask for the SAVE VANISHING SPECIES series. By doing so, a portion of your purchase is directed to global endangered species conservation programs.

  • ” “where Hitler’s soldiers could shoot, hang, poison, mutilate and starve men, women…”

    That is what you quoted, FriedrichKling, to decide to use to try and whitewash the holocaust? This happened in the camps, millions suffered and were murdered, and you honestly want to try and say..”except for some troops, who didn’t know anything so it’s okay that they fought to uphold the system that perpetrated it?” I’m paraphrasing what you said of course, but since there seems to be so much of the whole putting words in peoples mouths going around among certain parties, I’m going to give the ganders some sauce too.

    and this whole two posts per twenty four hours, is that except when you know the rule but break it and say you are breaking it, uphold it most of the time but not when you have something really important to say, or is it only okay if frequent posters break the rule, but not those who “don’t count” ? I get so confused on these matters sometimes…so I don’t even bother to follow most rules myself anyway, except when it suits me, but at least I’m honest about it. 😉

    and up until this point I had been reading absolutely everything everyone had been posting in comments, but I am really at the point now where I see certain long posts and just scroll right by them…

  • “We need to scour the earth of humanity so that animals can get back to murdering each other in peace.”

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

  • Amy Pike-

    Pot calling the kettle black. Did you read my comment regarding 2 posts? NO. I said, “As a general rule, subject to exceptions.” Or do you need for me to translate this statement for your benefit.

    In terms of your “whitewashing” bullshit, tell me what part of my statement is not accurate. What REALLY makes me sick are people like YOURSELF from the good ole USA where the greatest genocide of all time occurred. So until YOU get your house in order save the lectures for someone who does not know better. I am sick of people like YOU who love to target the low hanging fruit of German bashing ’cause its so damn easy.

  • ZEE METHANE EET ESS COMMINK!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

  • Daniel says: “One has either come to accept that most of life will be extinct within the next thirty years, or they haven’t.”
    ==

    We Are All One

    There are two kinds of folks, it’s been said
    (In this world, where much bullshit is fed):
    Those whose thinking has led
    To extinction widespread,
    And those who have not faced the dread.

    But black, white, brown, yellow, or red,
    We’re really one person instead;
    So let Kumbaya spread,
    ‘Cause three decades ahead,
    That person is going to be dead.

  • There are two types of people in the world. Those who practice dichotomous thinking and those who do not.

  • There are two other types of people in the world.
    Those who can extrapolate from incomplete information…
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    Not familiar with PJ Clary (yet), but I know from Link Wray.
    Good enough version, but Link’s the original.


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    No apologies offered for bandwidth, voltage, or amperage.

  • LOVE all the comments. Might as well know your voices are being “read” and recorded for a civil unrest doc.

    Thanks so much for all the posts after each article. You do have a silent audience. This does add up to a bit of something before the whole system eventually goes down. Some of us working on an NSA.gov project dare not say much – but we are human as we do listen & we do care in ways that will never be explained. So much to process – including what has not yet been factored. Not yet even been considered in any of your extensive posted comments that take days to review. We leave that subject matter as an unchecked box.

    Collecting data on NTE expressions is interesting.(It does impact some staff members like myself doing the record keeping.) Much gratitude & appreciation to each of you contributing to this internet activity till nature really does get up to bat full force. Awaiting all forgotten factors as we watch this future framework unfold.

  • No Justice = No Freedom,

    You wrote “I would not know about any rules on NBL, by looking at all the daily multiple posters, one of the chief offenders by Bud Nye, whom you defend.”

    No Justice, please review the comments over the past two years or so. You will find that I have violated the two-post rule VERY rarely, and then either for appropriate reasons, such as helping to diagnose technical problems, or just plain in error. Now, can we PLEASE have a little reasoning in addition to your emotional vomit? For the third time: why do I supposedly serve as “the perfect example of why humans need to go extinct, as quickly as possible” while YOU, presumably, do not? Also: what do you hope to accomplish with your continuing intended insults?

    Amy Pike,

    Regarding your January 27th, 2015 at 8:34 pm comment regarding “foul language”, I do not have any concerns at all about people using “foul language”, as you suggested. Indeed, I feel surprised that you or anyone else would suggest that I do. My concerns relate to people using language in verbally violent, abusive ways with a clear and obvious intention abusively and in a bullying way to attack another person’s character, insulting them, and so on. To make this crystal clear, I would have no problem writing to you something like “Amy, I hate this God-damned, fucking, patriarchal, Earth-killing society.” or in your writing that to me. On the other hand, unlike so many people who comment here, I would never even think of, much less seriously consider writing, something like “You are a God-damned, dog-fucking cunt, Amy Pike!” Meanwhile, as we have seen from numerous comments here, many people see no meaningful distinction between these two examples, which I find astounding—until I remind myself that: Humans are FUCKING NUTS! Given this fundamental existential reality, it would make no more sense for me to upset myself over this than it would for me to upset myself over gravity, over the fact that if I do not behave according to the laws of physics and gravity I will fall and severely hurt or kill myself due to gravity.

    It has taken me a long time, but I now understand that as an anarchist web site we do NOT expect anyone here to write to others in respectful, civil ways. Indeed, in standard anarchist fashion, we make fun of, insult, and otherwise abusively bully anyone who suggests any such thing because from an anarchist perspective that idea reeks of control, censorship, hierarchy, social stability, and so on—all utterly contemptible concepts to any anarchist worth his or her salt. In my limited experience, heavy-handed emotionally and physically abusive bullying exists pretty much as the standard stock-in-trade of most anarchists, most of the time regarding anyone who disagrees with them regarding anything. Given this, OF COURSE that makes anyone stupid enough to suggest such an utterly outrageous idea as people here writing to each other in respectful, civil ways a major target. (I suggested (1) that Guy write a short, clear policy statement regarding commenting at NBL, (2) his encouraging all commenters to serve as managers of the policy (not his censoring comments), and (3) his doing this as an experiment to see what might happen over time, whether it helped, or not, and then changing or ending the process accordingly. In retrospect, I can now see how utterly foolish and unacceptable an idea most people here would consider that.)

    Meanwhile, I come from a philosophical, psychological, and emotional perspective that appears diametrically opposite that of most people here. My interests lie in SUPPORTING people emotionally and socially during collapse, in creating warm, mutually helpful relationships among people, NOT in DESTROYING relationships as quickly and efficiently as possible, NOT in destroying people emotionally in verbally violent, abusive ways, as so many so obviously wish to do here (and if not doing it themselves, strongly supporting those who do).

    For two years the Tacoma ESG has met with people of all ages, from one year to 82 years old of both genders, radically different economic strata, different races, different religions, and so on, sharing power equally among ourselves with everyone having the same opportunity to express their sometimes strongly opposing opinions. We have done that respectfully in both our meetings and in our email. In our 24, three-hour monthly meetings to date (first hour a pot luck meal), and a fairly large amount of email, only once have we had any problems at all with the kind abusive behavior we see commonly—almost every day—here at NBL. (That person did behave appropriately during a meeting, but not afterwards in email, so we promptly removed him from our email list and barred him from attending any more meetings.) I could have this wrong, but I think that this has happened because we have a critically important, fundamental rule: no one will attack another person’s character, nor use insult-intended, abusive language in their speaking or writing to others. Furthermore, we do not work to “resolve” conflict, but to accept it as inevitable and to manage it in productive ways—obviously all unthinkable and unacceptable behaviors for most people here at NBL.

    If anyone has an interest in what we do, or in starting an ESG based on our model, send me a request at bud.nye@gmail.com and I will send you our Agenda, Tool Box, and Proposed Model For ESG Functioning. Also, we now have a web site at http://ecocollapsesupportgroup.blogspot.com/ created by two of our members, Leslie and David.

  • ” – including what has not yet been factored. Not yet even been considered in any of your extensive posted comments that take days to review. We leave that subject matter as an unchecked box.”

    Can we ask yes or no questions?

  • Guy,

    I’ve just been made aware, during an online discussion with a denier, of a paper published in 2014 calling into question the claims of a 5 degree Celsius rise over a thirteen year period 55 ma ago.

    http://www.clim-past.net/11/95/2015/cp-11-95-2015.pdf

  • Robin Datta Says:
    January 28th, 2015 at 4:09 pm

    … The reptilian brain is non-rational, non-verbal, the seat of emotions and values. It is the controller of the mammalian and primate brains, and those will plan and execute the behaviours commanded by the reptilian brain …
    ====================================
    The triune brain is a model of the evolution of the vertebrate forebrain and behavior were proposed by the American physician and neuroscientist Paul D. MacLean. MacLean originally formulated his model in the 1960s and propounded it at length in his 1990 book The Triune Brain in Evolution. The triune brain consists of the reptilian complex, the paleomammalian complex (limbic system), and the neomammalian complex (neocortex), viewed as structures sequentially added to the forebrain in the course of evolution. However, this hypothesis is no longer espoused by the majority of comparative neuroscientists in the post-2000 era.” (Wikipedia, Triune Brain, emphasis added).

    “… Paul MacLean’s infamous ‘Triune Brain’ theory, whose basic idea is that every human brain contains three independent competing minds – the reptile, the early mammal, and the modern primate.

    All in all, a truly mind-blowing trip to lay on your friends. Problem is, MacLean’s pet hypothesis doesn’t hold up under scrutiny.” (Scientific American, 9/7/12).

    It does make for interesting (metaphorical) novels and essays: “How is it, then, that modern authors as educated as Seth Godin and Rick Hanson (among others) are writing entire essays that present ‘the lizard brain’ as well-documented scientific fact? How does Godin keep a straight face onstage as he tells us that ‘the lizard is a physical part of your brain’ and that ‘the reason we call wild animals ‘wild’ is because they have lizard brains’?

    It’s because the idea makes a weird kind of intuitive sense. We’re bundles of instincts and inhibitions and desires that don’t fit neatly together. It’d be comforting, in a way, if we could pin those conflicts on little lizard brains – just name those ancient demons and drive ‘em out, like we did in simpler times” (ibid).

  • Steve Says:
    January 29th, 2015 at 5:37 am

    Guy,

    I’ve just been made aware, during an online discussion with a denier, of a paper published in 2014 calling into question the claims of a 5 degree Celsius rise over a thirteen year period 55 ma ago.

    ================================
    The paper you linked to (PDF) comments on two drill sites in the state of New Jersey.

    The basis of the argument against abrupt climate warming is “Core discing” … a type of sample contamination which can happen while drilling core samples.

    Assuming that contamination to be true, it would seem to be a comment on local New Jersey weather rather than global climate.

    The legitimate criticism needs to be global in scope, because the literature contains global scope:

    Currently this short-term carbon excurson has only been documented at Ocean Drilling Project (ODP) site 690, but it has been reported in the equatorial Pacific, northern Atlantic, southern Atlantic and Indian oceans and was most probably a global marine event.”

    (Nature, Vol. 358, 7/23/92, PDF).

    I think more core sampling at all global locations, including the New Jersey site (being careful to avoid “Core discing”) would be useful.

    — that is my two-comment limit for the day —

  • Steve, I’m aware of the paper you cite, and I added it to the long climate-change essay as soon as it was published.

    I’ve posted the latest edition of Edge of Extinction. It’s here.

  • Amy & Friedrich,

    I hope you both don’t mind if I wade in here.

    Amy, Friedrich is not “trying to whitewash the Holocaust” here, why would he? This story is anything but black and white, like all other stories.

    But he is very well informed on this subject. As you know, I am German (born in 1948) and brought up in a small town in the North of the then West German part of the country. My father was in the Wehrmacht, he was 23 in 1945.
    What Friedrich commented here is quite true. Being American or British, you will never be able to imagine what it would be like to live under a regime like the Nazis and have your family survive. Yes, as a “true-blooded” German too.And you might not appreciate the violence that would be meted out if you thought differently. It was relentless. Most people, even if they could guess what was going on, would keep their heads down. A very human thing to you. We are very, very lucky that we’ve never been tried. At least I feel very lucky.

    If you like, if you’re interested, I could send you something about the personal history of my extended family, my home town in a PM. It would give you a little insight into what was involved on a daily basis. The Nazi genocide was unbelievably horrific, and it happened in such a short, speeded-up time which makes it all the more memorable for us now. This is what gets most people, makes them feel so horrified. How could human being do things like that?
    But it was just another terror strategy targeting the “others”, the ones declared the “Other” by certain people, an elite infecting the atmosphere of an entire society. In other words, a perennial story in what we can history.

    This is not an excuse. I came to terms with my recent nasty history a long time ago. Americans and the British have it much easier. If they choose to be in denial, they can go on pretending. For a native German with an ounce of conscience, this is not possible.
    I learned my lessons a long time ago. It helped me accept life as it is and move on. My history taught me to “look”, a blessing in disguise. So maybe it was easier for me to see NTE coming and accept that too. An advantage, maybe.

    Now I live in the moment…without depression…trying not to hurt anybody or anything, just being and doing what I think can be done, until things get too bad.

    Friedrich you’re right.

  • Friedrich: “What REALLY makes me sick are people like YOURSELF from the good ole USA where the greatest genocide of all time occurred. So until YOU get your house in order save the lectures for someone who does not know better. I am sick of people like YOU who love to target the low hanging fruit of German bashing ’cause its so damn easy.”

    No, I fully admit and recognize the genocide that began right here in the USA. When did I ever say I didn’t? I am part Choctaw and Chickasaw, but mostly what I am is “mutt”, and since my peoples of various backgrounds have just about always been the ‘wretched refuse’ of one kind or another, and I was definitely born what you would call “poor white trash”, I come from the BOTTOM RUNG of Empire..but yes, I DO recognize that even with all that I have gone through in my own life, that it is still from a place of “privilege” because of being lucky enough to be poor in a rich country. But what I cannot stand, and what I have seen happen time and time again, is when the genocide comes up, either in the USA to Native Americans, or during WWII, is when the excuses and justifications start..and people start talking about “good Germans” before they have finished talking about the VICTIMS of the genocide! That is where I was coming from..we were talking about people being murdered..and then it switches to defending soldiers with guns in their hands who “didn’t know” they were upholding a system of genocide with every shot they fired!

    And I know about living in terror personally, and that not every German was bad, and I do know about those who resisted and fought back, and those who were just trying to survive. But why is it when we talk about the murdered that someone invariably has to bring up the “good Germans”? I want to hear more about the good dead victims, personally, but that’s just me.

    See, I have an ancestor that was a “buffalo soldier” too..I could speak of him with some pride..in fact, I used to. Now I know there is no pride in murder. I used to serve in the US Army as a soldier, and could take pride in that, but I don’t. not one bit. I was deceived, I tried to blow the whistle on what I saw going wrong, and I paid a very high price for it. I can no longer take pride in the US flag either. It’s a symbol of murder and empire to me.

    Now if I have been misinterpreting anything, I will apologize for that. I’m also going to be posting an awful lot less..wouldn’t want any “emotional shit” from someone like me to last for eternity or “posterity” or what have you to mess up the records anyway.

    but I will say this..with all the suffering in the world, it does make the “inner child” in me want to go and scribble all over some akashic records with a crayon..if they exist. But instead I let that kid out here to take pretty pictures of the world before it all goes to hell.

    and yes, I would very much like a pm from you, oldgrowthforest.

  • Consider this a post from the ghosts of the murdered, so that if there are any records kept, their voices are heard too.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W88gA7O_tOM

  • Amy:

    My perspective is this: One of the most horrific events occurred in the Nazi death camps. YES!!

    American elites (white especially) – in terms of numbers easily top the German horror.

    (I saw something on the beloved Winston Churchill, recently. I could not believe all the gut wrenching racist things he said and wrote)

    Both empires are sickening to me. Both violate any possible decency or justice.

    Nuremberg! Ignored by this pathetic country the minute the trials were over.

    This country can proudly salute our accomplishment of the massacre of hundreds of millions more than any other empire on this earth.

    I’m with you all the way.

  • A. Pike-

    I am sorry, but you fail to understand the meaning of my post.

    You are not proud to be an American and I respect your prerogative.

    I am exceedingly proud of being German. I am grateful to the United States of America. Germans have a long and proud history of innovation and accomplishment, which will not be dominated by a regretful incident 70 years ago.

    Furthermore, your usage of prejudiced stereotypical language (ex. good Germans) is as offensive to me as if I referred to you as “the White man’s burden” or “half-breed”.

    I note there is a number of desperately bitter and angry people on NBL whose only wish is for the complete annihilation of the Earth. I find this philosophy of life repellent and highly destructive. I find common cause with folks like Wren, Bud, Tom, Pat, logspirit, ulvfugi, Brian, Christy, Sabine, and other wonderful people committed to the preservation of Earth’s magnificent biodiversity (please forgive me if I forgot to mention anyone’s name 🙂 :).

    Take care and good luck all!!!!

    Signing out for a period as I return to my passion of saving more habitat for biodiversity in South America. FOR ME, THIS IS AN IMMENSE SENSE OF ACCOMPLISHMENT. Give and ye shall receive in spades.

  • @shep; perhaps this was the article you were referring to:

    Meanwhile, Prime Minister Churchill had ordered the saturation bombing of Dresden, where, on February 13 1945, more than 500,000 German civilians and refugees, mostly women and children, were slaughtered in one day by the British Royal Air Force (RAF) and the United States Army Air Force (USAAF), who dropped over 700,000 phosphorus bombs on the city.

    Prime Minister Churchill had said earlier:

    “I do not want suggestions as to how we can disable the economy and the machinery of war, what I want are suggestions as to how we can roast the German refugees on their escape from Breslau.”

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/01/28/winston-churchill-the-imperial-monster/

    I guess the Germans weren’t the only ones committing genocide…

  • Amy, both of my email addresses are in my ad just under the previous post here, the interview with Andrew Harvey.

  • Amy,

    You did not fail to understand any post.

    Pride goeth before the fall Mr. “I am exceedingly proud of being German.”
    Sounds like a good old brownshirt, to me.

    I hate holocausts whether they are American or German made. The truth is very few people can stand up to the tenets of Nuremberg. I could not. I’m scared of my own shadow. I hate pain. Pathetically, I will go along with the crowd every time. This internet thing shields one from physical fear of another person so one can say what he pleases. Evil in this world always triumphs because the elites have all the gold and the machinery of war under their command. It is only when a larger, stronger, more clever and advantaged bully comes along that the poor schmuck falls.

    Maybe Banker Kling is full of pride and trying to make up for it by playing habitat saver, even tho the habitat is headed for oblivion.

    My father was a banker his entire short life (dead at 54 in 1969) however he wasn’t one of the hot shots that made the big bucks but he was impeccably honest. There were plenty he worked with and for though that were nothing more than shits. But they got ahead.

  • Marty,

    Oops. Got wound up. That’s the article… sickening isn’t it.

    CounterPunch does a real good job most of the time railing against the machine, but as usual it never really impacts but a few of the human drones and workers. How come justice folk never win?

  • I wouldn’t say never shep. There have been instances, but us poor schmucks have had to fight like hell to get whatever it is we are “entitled” to. 40 hour work week, paid vacation, etc… The neocons here in the U S are dismantling all that hard work now, opps, and the neolibs, they are just sneakier about it.

    One of Churchill’s remarks about Ghandi; “ought to be lain bound hand and foot at the gates of Delhi, and then trampled on by an enormous elephant with the new Viceroy seated on its back. Gandhi-ism and everything it stands for will have to be grappled with and crushed.” I’d say puts him in the ranking for all time biggest A-hole.

  • F.Kling,
    ‘The Science Guy’ is Bill Nye,not Bud Nye.
    Bud Nye,
    After reading all your comments,I would say that the evidence is laid out that you are not only a narcissistic pompous windbag,but vicious as well. Life’s tough,isn’t it Bud? Looks like that bloody Guy is not going to help out.Better run home to mama.

  • david hingham,

    Really? This can’t be the “Dancing with the Stars”, Bill Nye the Science Guy?

  • Shep
    Google it.