Edge of Extinction: Moments of Joy

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  • 1-29-2015, Thursday

    I have figured it out. Some will laugh because I’m just now getting it. Tough. I might not express it correctly but ULVFUGL has harped on this forever.

    The problem is: the scientific method.

    Without it, we wud not have the bomb, or any other wacky ideas like genetics. Who cares??

    Scientists cannot see beyond their microscopes. Native Americans certainly did not need the scientific method. They simply looked around in wonder and read the environment.

    As far back as I can remember, I was taught to *worship* the scientific method. Extremely bad idea!

    The smartest human being I ever knew was a white sharecroppers son who grew up to be revered by the most gentle people in this world because he was so kind and thoughtful. He didn’t need a *method*.

    On this website the smartest individuals don’t give a hoot about anything but observing the surroundings and using their intuition. Better stop here.

    Now to read today’s post.

  • Dear NBL family,

    This will be my last post here. I originally found the NBL site via a link at the Common Dreams website about two years ago. Initially I found Guy’s position compelling. But after studying his talk and walk I found the one reliable expression to be more of the same. Imbalanced ego coming out in a very disturbing yet triumphal manner; the ego, facing its responsability, and in having no God to blame, has made its last stand. Creating a story of total annihilation of all of life not by Gods hands but by its own. Which has been the best way the developing ego has had of coping with its own futility against life, to kill or ascribe killing. In refelection this new development of defense is not a surprising one, and in bringing a sense of new peace to the suffering mind, it cannot be dismissed out of hand. After all, if I would like a different story, the onus is on me to find the strength to create it. So this story must remain for many the best alternative we have found to continue to cling to any sanity, and it is our collective sanity that is threatened, not just the current cloak of life on the earth. Attack and counter- attack, the way to cling to some sense of meaning when meaning is what creates consciousness against instinct. Until peace and harmony are given meaning through practice and habit, creating love. we are stuck with the dominance of fear and violence.

    The healthy way forward is final harmony between our nature and our intellect, but the price of that achievement is love. And love is the only thing yet remaining to achieve. It is yet a dream to modern man. It was our goal before materialism was found to be a temporary distraction from the heartache of such a difficult and painful journey. By stating that we are going extinct, now that materialism is reaching a quick limit, the child states the house is actually clean by sweeping the mess under carpets, into closets, dirty dishes hidden in cupboards, and so on. And the child walks away, refusing to look at the house and waits for it to burn down to find final release in death. For any human to state they have reached love while the collective world weeps under total depravity and horror, is the child of our mind, creating stories and refusing to join hand in hand with love to create love.

    It would be interesting if Guy picked up his own challenge and made this site about love, rather than violence, not only in word, but in truth. But my sense is this is the last place to expect love to be created. Even though the creation of love will change everything, the price, even if it might save the very life of earth, is too high for the long entrenched, fearful and hateful ego to pay. It seems to me that only fear remains. And it dominates, here as well as anywhere. I may not have created love myself, but I know it does not look or feel like what is going on here any more than anywhere. Perhaps the violence and fear only come out in word here, but that is how it all starts. The physical destruction is secondary to the destruction by word. Hurt turning to hate turning to hurt turning to hate.

    And I joined in it all here for awhile, and learned what I suppose I needed to and I guess that is what this site is for. Learning more about the tricky ego condition of claiming fear and hate as love and compassion.

  • Hi Sabine-

    Many thanks for your thoughtful commentary. I don’t have much more to say in light of your excellent writing except to recommend an excellent book titled, “To Lose a War” by Regina Shelton. I had the good fortune to personally know Regina during my tenure in the banking industry. She writes about her Austrian family’s history before, during, and after the war during the horrible, horrible Soviet occupation when virtually all females in her town from children to the elderly were viciously raped over and over. If this fails to bring tears to a person’s eyes, than nothing can. After the war, she married an American and moved to the US.

    If you have any trouble locating the book, please let me know and I am delighted to send you a copy.

  • The triune brain is an obsolete cocept.

    The reptilian brain includes the limbic system, the periaqueductal gray matter and modulating connections to the neocortex. This is a major part of Jaak Pangsepp’s work.

    The rational brain is the mammalian brain, but does not include speech. Although primates with the exception of one extant species do not have speech, the primate brain refers to the use of language to augment rational thought.

  • Dear TIAA –

    I owe you a debt of gratitude and appreciation that I cannot repay. you have always been one of the most dear shining lights to me, here on NBL. I understand exactly what you are saying with your goodbye, and why.

    the Love of the Universe is completely non-exclusive. it does not, in my experience, refuse to join in anything. it cannot. the Universe is founded, more deeply than every last atom, more deeply than every last thought, only on Love.

    this seems the most impossible thing to conceive of, for humans. how can horror be founded on Love? how can a rape, the agony of a child suffering unimaginable abuse, the vicious attacks that serve no purpose but to feed the hungry darkness of a lonely and bitter ego?

    this seems completely insane to us.

    it doesn’t matter what it seems to us. the Universe has other ideas completely about what it will Love.

    it will Love it ALL – because it Loves ITself, in entirety, and unconditionally, to a degree that will take us perhaps a billion years – or a second – the come to terms with.

    it will Love ALL. IT will forgive ANYTHING in less than a heartbeat – ANYTHING.

    this is the meaning of sublime grace. to be given the freedom to walk away, as far away from what feels like Love, and never be less than totally Loved.

    this is the Love that slays all conception of limit. it is the Love that knows how to laugh in the face of Satan himself. Ego can roar and foam, humiliate and shame, and Love just laughs, and says “Here, be my guest. I Love you. You are Mine alone.”

    but can we do the same for ourselves? can WE love and forgive ourselves to any, infinite degree?

    that is THE question. the test that if we can pass, we would find ourselves living in eternal bliss, in an instant. peace beyond all understanding.

    pass that test. it is easy. the Universe is our model. the path is wide open.

  • @TIAA: Learning more about the tricky ego condition of claiming fear and hate as love and compassion.

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    Dawn breaks over marblehead.

  • So Guy McPherson is proposing that as long as humans make themselves feel good, then all the presently ongoing cruel injustice and suffering humans inflict on other living things in the world, as well as our own responsibility and deserved guilt,  no longer matter? All that matters, here, now, is humans making “moments of joy” for themselves?  — Unless the “moments of joy” that McPhersons is promoting, consist of, here and now, stopping and undoing the ongoing cruel injustice perpetrated by humans against other living things,  the “moments of joy” he is talking about will only be more of the same narcissistic, empty, unquenchable, self-obsessed desperation that has been driving humans to destroy all life on this planet. Is McPherson merely still singing humanity’s favorite tune? “Me, me, me, meeee!”

  • TIAA

    And you were unequaled, but not alone, at knowing just where to stick the knife and turn it.

  • There should be a conference, somehow centrally located (by the scientific method, of course), where we could all meet and put a face on this stuff. No weapons though to gain advantage.

    If you do not like Guy, drop off! What the hell is wrong with “Love Only Remains”! Why explain? Just disappear!

  • treenoise,
    I don’t think Guy is advocating for a self-obsessed life. In fact, his concluding sentence clearly establishes the “contribution of joy” to OTHERS as the most meaningful thing one can do with one’s time. I believe you are making an incorrect assumption that striving for moments of joy are one in the same as narcissistic hedonism, when Guy makes no such illusion. He condemns elitism, patriarchy, racism, and anthropomorphism unequivocally, so you cannot assume that his guidance is “more of the same”…”me, me, me…”.
    The fact that he illustrates the ineffectiveness of “preaching to the unconverted” by mentioning his student’s disregard for his message should not be read as capitulation, saying “fuck it. the world is not listening so i’m going to get a massage, drink a scotch, and smoke a cigar”; because his very next words are a plea to be kind and considerate of every other living thing by “contributing to moments of joy”. He keeps fighting the good fight even though most of his audience is clueless.
    Please cut the good Doctor a little slack and start with an presumption of innocence (or more accurately, a presumption of kind intent).
    Now i’m off to a massage with a double malt and a cuban!

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    Joe D,

    I made no assumptions.
    I asked two (2) questions.
    Then I made a statement of claim.
    Then I asked a 3rd question.

    The three questions are ‘yes’ or ‘no’ questions.

    My statement speak for itself and it implies that ‘no’ answers to my questions would validate (i.e., declare agreement with) it (my statement).

  • Well said Joe D.

  • treenoise: no, no, and no.

    Self-obsessed? You’re clearly confused about my entire life so far, and my commitment to service.

    You’re confusing joy with pleasure, and I have no idea what you believe love to be. I’m not surprised, considering the overwhelming obfuscation of the dominant culture. Not to mention the pursuit of hedonism encouraged by the dominant culture.

  • http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/28779-native-leaders-are-being-killed-in-the-amazon-because-they-want-the-right-to-live

    [begins]

    Native Leaders Are Being Killed in the Amazon Because They Want the Right to Live

    Imagine a United States that was still at war with its native tribes. Imagine that the Indian reservations that dot the American landscape had no respected boundaries and that Apaches were encamped in eastern Arizona, Mohawks inhabited the Green Mountains of Vermont and the Lakota still hunted on the Great Plains.

    Now imagine that all these tribes want is land of their own and to be treated like human beings, and instead of honoring that desire, American companies level Arizona, strip mine the Green Mountains and burn the Great Plains. In the process, the native peoples of these lands are systematically ignored, brutalized and then murdered in ways that are as horrific in their details as they are for their regularity.

    In South America, no imagination is required. This is happening right now. [read the rest, watch 5.5 min video]

  • I endorse what Apneaman, and Joe D said so eloquently.

    “And you were unequaled, but not alone, at knowing just where to stick the knife and turn it.”
    “Please cut the good Doctor a little slack and start with an presumption of innocence (or more accurately, a presumption of kind intent).”

    And Shep said brilliantly: If you do not like Guy, drop off! What the hell is wrong with “Love Only Remains”! Why explain? Just disappear!

    (slow clap)

  • Your first question is leading and argumentative. You don’t ASK, “Is Guy proposing that…” but rather you STATE, “So Guy is proposing that…”. By ending your statement with a question mark, you do not discharge yourself from having put forth a clear position.

    Your second question is reinforcement of your initial judgment.

    Your statement is a demand to accept your definition of “moments of joy” or else be damned.

    And your final question is in perfect, biased alignment with the first two.

    If you’re making an honest statement, make it. If you’re asking a sincere question, ask it. But why disguise an opinion as an inquiry? It seems quite passive aggressive.

  • Good responses, Joe D and Guy.

  • At 1:03 in today’s NBL video, Guy McPherson says:
    “…every year…has been worse than the year before.”

    In “The irreconcilable acceptance of near-term extinction” Daniel says: “…it’s only a question of time, before each of us consider life to no longer be worth living.”

    The irreconcilable acceptance of near-term extinction


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    Simple Logic

    Once we no longer ignore
    How likely it is we’re done for,
    It’s, in doom’s paradigm,
    Just a question of time
    Till life ain’t worth living no more.

  • 18 April 1973, Carnegie Hall, NYC
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    performance vintage 1984-85
    Home of the Brave film released 1986
    Wm. Burroughs dancing – on stage…who could’ve imagined ?
    Who else could’ve talked him into it ?
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  • Love is a relationship: it requires two or more parties. There is no “I” or “we” or “us” in the Self. Awareness “of” anything defines that thing as different from the self. Even the awareess that “I am a conscious being” defines tha being as different from oneself. Conscious awareness without any “of” is the self, and it has no “I”s, “we”s or “us”es: there are no parties to any relationship. If a stick is floated on the surface of water, the water on one side of the stick can be postulated to love the water on the other side of the stick – but only so long as the stick is left floating. The “love” is for the other, but the instant the stick is removed, there is no other, and all is the Self, as it had always been.

    Joy, happiness and other forms of elation are transient phenomena in a realm of finitude and limits. They are manifestations of filling various instances of incompleteness. Conscious awareness in the absence of an “of” is the Boundless Self; it is Complete and without the transience elation or dejection.

    The scientific method is a method for the acquisition of knowledge that has produced good results in some areas of human endeavour. Indigenous peoples in a wide variety of environments are known to possess a knowledge and understanding of the specifics of those environments and ecosystems well beyond anything attainable by scientific methods without (or even with) modern instrumentation. How did the natives know that a tea made with the Cinchona plant (the source of quinine) will cure certain fevers? How did rural English womenfolk know that a tea made from the purple foxglove (the source of digitalis) was beneficial in dropsy? How did English milkmaids know that cowpox protected against smallpox? How do tropical rainforest dwellers distinguish between two identical-appearing species? How did Australian aborigines without data collection and statistical analysis come to the understanding that some places (that had a lot of uranium) are “possessed by evil spirits” and are to be avoided?


  • Guy McPherson,

    thank you for answering the 3 questions in my comment,
    which also implies that you agree with my statement of claim.
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    Guy McPherson Says:
    January 29th, 2015 at 1:48 pm

    treenoise: no, no, and no.
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    I am puzzled about the rest of your response to me.
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    Self-obsessed? You’re clearly confused about my entire life so far, and my commitment to service.

    You’re confusing joy with pleasure, and I have no idea what you believe love to be. I’m not surprised, considering the overwhelming obfuscation of the dominant culture. Not to mention the pursuit of hedonism encouraged by the dominant culture.
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    My comment is simply about what you say in the video clip above, NOT about your “entire life.”

    With your ‘no’ answers to my questions, you in substance generally agree with what I stated about of what actions “moments of joy” should consist.

    And then, you are talking about “love,” which I never discussed (which explains why you “have no idea what (I) believe love to be”) and follow that with totally off-topic comments about “dominant culture.”

    Well, at least this time you didn’t accuse me of knowing “nothing about grieving” like you did last time (Mr. expert because you attended a 2-week course (?) on grief counseling (?) and you have been in recovery for a whole year … Move over PhD’s and Doctors of psychology, and all other professional counselors.)

    Here is a bit of pop psychology for you.
    Perhaps you are so hyper-sensitive and read into things that people don’t even actually write, and inappropriately lash out at them (Mr. “only love remains”) because you know that you are using all your guru posturing to cover up feelings and truths about yourself, which you have yet to face.

    — Of course, you are not going to be called out about your bad behavior by those on your blog who want to make you into some kind of cult leader, so that they can then derive some ego boost for themselves by being associated with you.

    P.S. – So am I banned now?

  • @Robin, I agree with the first part of your comment.

    Who or what do we “love” and why? One can say, “I love polar bears!” or “I love chocolate”, or “I love to make films” or “I love my spouse”. It tends to mean you want these things or activities around for their concomitant sensations, which is ultimately selfish. So when Guy says “only love remains”, he’s right, he’s stripped human existence to its essence: a bottomless pit of desire.

    For myself, I would find it easier to say “only compassion remains”.

    Maybe that’s what he means, kinda… ..I dunno…


    “How did they know” about efficacious plant medicines?
    Uhmmm.. trial and error? Just eating what was edible and making mental notes?

    It’s not like the “scientific method” was invented out of nothing during the Enlightenment… although that’s part of one of our canonical Stories.

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    I don’t think Guy is a “cult leader” nor is he exhibiting “bad behavior”. He’s just trying to make emotional sense of all this, as is everyone who is becoming aware of it.

    My Lucy van Pelt 5¢ psychology diagnosis is that he feels guilt at his happenstance participation in the privileged white mainstream he’s chosen to pin proximate blame upon (in what is really an epochal process across race and culture), and so it’s incumbent upon him to voice his political objections loudly (even though I think he knows, at heart, as an ecologist, that what we are undergoing is not, and never was, a political problem fundamentally.. in other words, a problem with any type of humanist political solution).

    For a lot of people, it brings comfort to know who “the enemy” is (Pogo’s aphorism apart), so I just take it in that vein.

    YMMV, buyer beware, etc.

  • Thanks Guy.

  • treenoise, you imply too much. As a result, you reach incorrect conclusions. Do you believe you ought to be banned?

    Lidia, the same goes for you. I experience no guilt.

  • Guy has done more than anyone I know.

    I see “Only love remains” as an ideal you should strive for. Along with “living a life of excellence”.


  • Guy McPherson,

    can you give the specific examples of what I implied and of my “conclusions?”

    Then can explain why my “conclusions” are “incorrect?”

    Or is what you say true just because you say so?


    E-man,

    can you give full definitions of “Only love remains” and “living a life of excellence?”

  • Dr. McPherson,

    your write,
    “treenoise, you imply too much. As a result, you reach incorrect conclusions.”

    Can you quote the specific examples of what treenoise implied and of what treenoise concluded?

    Then can you please explain why treenoise’s “conclusions” are “incorrect?”

    Or are we to assume that what you state has to be true just because you say so?


    E-man,

    can you give full definitions of “Only love remains” and “living a life of excellence?”

  • Thanks, Friedrich! Your offer has inspired me to make another donation to help support Guy’s worthy mission. I will be sure to do so before Feb. 28th.

    Also, Friedrich, I’ve been currently working for a lady who has a remarkable butterfly garden. I don’t believe I had ever seen milkweed plants before. She told me what they were and explained how Monarchs lay their eggs on them so the baby caterpillars have proper food right away. Well, on Wednesday, a beautiful bright sunny day of around 65 degrees, I was standing in her garden when a solitary Monarch entered the garden! It cruised from plant to plant and finally found the milkweed and apparently laid several eggs! What a thing to see! I am so inspired that I would like to take advantage of your kind offer to send milkweed seeds to all who request them. Today my friend showed me three caterpillars happily munching away…

    Do you have seeds that would do well in Florida? My email address is okirk88@aol.com.

    Many thanks!

  • treenoise (also known as No Justice = No Freedom), these statements are obviously unsupported by evidence:

    “Thank you for answering the 3 questions in my comment, which also implies that you agree with my statement of claim.”

    “With your ‘no’ answers to my questions, you in substance generally agree with what I stated about of what actions ‘moments of joy’ should consist.”

  • Guy McPherson,

    so you answered no to these questions:

    1. So Guy McPherson is proposing that as long as humans make themselves feel good, then all the presently ongoing cruel injustice and suffering humans inflict on other living things in the world, as well as our own responsibility and deserved guilt, no longer matter?

    2. All that matters, here, now, is humans making “moments of joy” for themselves?

    3. Is McPherson merely still singing humanity’s favorite tune? “Me, me, me, meeee!”

    But you do not “in substance generally agree” that
    “— Unless the “moments of joy” that McPhersons is promoting, consist of, here and now, stopping and undoing the ongoing cruel injustice perpetrated by humans against other living things, the “moments of joy” he is talking about will only be more of the same narcissistic, empty, unquenchable, self-obsessed desperation that has been driving humans to destroy all life on this planet?”

    If so, would you please give full definitions of “moments of joy,” “Only love remains” and “living a life of excellence?”

  • treenoise, you are so shallow it hurts. If the dictionary doesn’t suffice, you cannot be helped.

    I don’t use the term “living a life of excellence.” Others do, but I don’t. I prefer the term “pursue a life of excellence.” The goal is an unattainable ideal.

    I’m certain you’re confused by now. Please try thinking before you post another superficial comment.

  • Hi Kirk-

    You’re a good man!!!!

    I am delighted to send you Milkweed, which despite its name is a beautiful plant that produces attractive and fragrant flowers.

    Please follow Tom’s advice and NEVER plant Tropical milkweed. This variant is infected with a parasite that weakens and kills Monarchs.

    I leave early in the AM to pursue my passion of saving habitat in South America so kindly wait until my return and I am happy to send you seeds, unless I am murdered or kidnapped, which some folks on NBL would be delighted to see happen 🙂

    Just recently a large ring of American and Canadian really sick pedophiles was busted in Medallin. Most escaped thanks to their MONEY, but these bastards make life for the rest of us Gringos difficult to say the least. There’s also the DEA spraying millions of hectares with herbicides banned for use in the US. I know one of the DEA agent’s “fixer” in Colombia who buys their Marijuana, Coke, and Junk for personal consumption and export to the US- I fucking kid you not!!!!!!!

    Please send me your address at ffkling@sbcglobal.net

    OK signing off for a few weeks…..

  • Robin Datta keeps insisting that Earth’s native primates – who possess 24 pairs of chromosomes –

    Somehow evolved into Homo Sapiens with 23 Chromosomes.

    A (one time) genetic error that miraculously fused 2 chromosomes into 1 and allowed the resulting species to (somehow) survive, (thrive), (reproduce), and become the apex predator on Earth !

    All from ONE! genetic mistake…..

    Which then multiplied into 7 billion humans!

    The Great Leap FORWARD!

    FOOLS!

    Everything You Know Is Wrong

  • It seems that Treenoise has disconnected from his/her own rude comments and must even ask to be explained what he/she said.

    It’s a simple copy and paste process Treenoise. I’m sure you’re fingers have done that before. Here’s what you said that you not merely implied but actually assumed and concluded. And we all know what happens when we ass-ume:

    Assumption:
    “So Guy McPherson is proposing that as long as humans make themselves feel good,”

    Followed by the Invalid conclusion of an ass:
    “..then all the presently ongoing cruel injustice and suffering humans inflict on other living things in the world, as well as our own responsibility and deserved guilt, no longer matter?”

    More assumptions:
    “All that matters, here, now, is humans making “moments of joy” for themselves? —”

    And the ass, with the thickness of concrete concludes:
    “Unless the “moments of joy” that McPhersons is promoting, consist of, here and now, stopping and undoing the ongoing cruel injustice perpetrated by humans against other living things, the “moments of joy” he is talking about will only be more of the same narcissistic, empty, unquenchable, self-obsessed desperation that has been driving humans to destroy all life on this planet. Is McPherson merely still singing humanity’s favorite tune? “Me, me, me, meeee!” ”

    And the coup de gras? A big fat lie at the end:
    “I made no assumptions.
    I asked two (2) questions.
    Then I made a statement of claim.
    Then I asked a 3rd question.”

    Are we all clear now what an ass that liar Treenoise has made of him/herself?
    (has to be a white man. The ARROGANCE!)

    treenoise fails Logic 101

  • At first I thought I had tuned in to The Spanish Inquisition Show.

    Then it morphed into The Argument Shop.

    Cuidado, jefe, estas Pirhanas tienen hambre para sangre virtual.
    Next thing you know they’ll be gettin’ Medieval on ya with sarcasm,
    dramatic irony, parody, pathos, litotes and invective.
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    Listen to your heart and resist the semantic subterfuge,
    lest you become ensnared in a logical clef-stick.
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTJ213F35EY
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    Yes, Pauline, I agree – most likely a Caucasian male.
    A thing worth betting on at even-money odds, but not a sure winner.
    Cf the more or less current Map to the Homes of the Stars ($$ version).

    http://www.gislounge.com/geography-of-billionaires-mapping-nationalities-and-residency/

  • I think your new banner about matching donations from Mr. Kling wiped out my post, which you might enjoy if there’s a way to retrieve it.

    But on the matching thing…is that a total (aggregate) of $5,000 ?
    Or is Mr. Kling prepared to match multiple large donations…
    For example: can he match three donations of $2,000 each ?

    Yes, it’s a simple and serious question.

    Thanks

  • infanttyrone, total (aggregate) is $5,000. Thanks for seeking clarification.

  • Blades of grass curl and brown. Mid day dust storm gloom. Paralyzing psychic traumas shape fatal outcomes. Challenges beyond endurance slay.

    Tribes have perished. The dead took their hard earned lessons. The rest dreamed we were different, and learned nothing.
    Now we perish.

    Three minutes to midnight…

    Improve a fleeting moment.
    The universe will remember, forever.

  • Guy,
    I clicked on the link to the radio show archives and got a 404 error.
    If/when it gets repaired, please put a brief comment in here.
    Really curious to hear what PCR and you folks got into the other night.
    Thanks

    That was not a post, all you bean-counters…
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    @Jeff s.
    I feel your pain. It seems that this fellow does, too.
    Not happy about the “dumping on Donna”, but if they’d taken my suggestion and got both Nina Hagen and Cyndi Lauper into the band, Jerry’d be alive still.
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    That was a post.

  • @guy.. gotcha, no-guilt, which is fine.

    In my town many folks are off in Florida or Mexico. Even the tattooed yout’ in the dentist’s office talked of his plans to go to the Bahamas.

    Meanwhile, I feel bad when I want to order out Chinese instead of making the nth bowl of homemade heirloom bean soup. Guilt is kinda normal, despite it all.

  • No Justice = No Freedom,

    You wrote “After reading all your comments,I would say that the evidence is laid out that you are not only a narcissistic pompous windbag,but vicious as well.”

    Oh. You noticed. Good work Charlie Brown!

  • Thanks for clarifying the term “pursue a life of excellence” Guy. That’s what I meant. I was being careless with my words. (obviously, writing is not my strength)

    treenoise
    All I can say is what “only love remains” means to me. Love is something personal, based on life experiences.
    It’s a place, a state of mind. You leave the “ego” behind and dedicate yourself to a life of service (including nature and its flora and fauna). It’s non-violence in any form. Compassion, altruism, empathy…You strive to stay in that place for longer and longer periods of time.

    I want to be as close to this place as possible “in the end”.

    The quote you posted yesterday:
    “You are what you do. What you do is your life.
    A just life is it own reward.
    …”
    I agree with this because the love I give is reciprocated (with some exceptions) and as a result, have never before been as happy as I am now.

    The purpose of my previous post was to offer a different perspective.

  • No extant Hominid evolved from any other extant Hominid.

  • http://www.declineoftheempire.com/2015/01/whos-in-charge-michael-gazzaniga-on-free-will.html#more

    Who’s In Charge? — Michael Gazzaniga On Free Will

    [quote]

    For those of you who want the short version, there is a review of Gazzaniga’s take on free will issue at the Daily Beast. I’ll skip the Flatland bullshit and quote the part that matters.

    Free will—do we have it or not?

    … Today, in the hot field of neuroscience, the trendy view, Michael Gazzaniga writes, is the “bleak view.”

    The “trendy” view? Gazzaniga’s view is “trendy” only if scientific work counts for exactly nothing, which is the dominant Flatland perspective.

    Everything we do, think, feel, say, or fail to do is determined by our neural circuitry. The brain reigns supreme, tugging the mind along in its wake.

    “The underlying contention,” Gazzaniga writes, “is that free will is just happy talk.”

    … He devotes the first half of his book to laying out the massive collection of neuroscientific evidence showing that we have absolutely no idea what’s going on in our own brains—let alone control it.

    Yes, Happy Talk.

    I am embarrassed (but also encouraged) to say that I discovered Gazzaniga’s work only a few weeks ago. His findings help me flesh out my Flatland theory of how the human mind functions, particularly some of the things I laid out in Part III, where I talk about the origins of bullshit.

    I am working now on an essay about consciousness, free will, Gazzaniga’s work and related subjects. I hope to publish it in the near future.

  • Perhaps it’s time for more stringent whitelisting in the website login scheme. The last thing NBL needs is more phony balognas.

    Hiya TIAA
    Nice to see¿ ya. I’ll miss your contributions.

    New Riders of the Purple Sage – Dirty Business (1971)

  • moments of joy..

    why you think joy has to be selfish to be sincere is beyond me, treenoise/no justice/whatever other troll name you want to use today. Everyone has a right to speak, and to bend rules for whatever justification, and I will call people out on it sometimes, and I am a “people” too, so I will include myself in that as well, but what you are doing isn’t rule bending, it’s taking the rules and taking the proverbial dump all over them. I don’t see rules as static things, but as guidelines, but I do respect the intent of them, but you have no respect for Guy McPherson or any of the rest of us here, and so your posts are just that much drivel and filler at this point, and not to be taken seriously, considered, or even responded to.

    I will disagree with people here, and I will go off sometimes, but I do respect them, for the most part, but respect is something that seems to be greatly lacking in your case, since all you are trying to do at this point to me is disrupt the blog and not contribute to it. It speaks volumes to me that you haven’t been banned, and feel it is shameful to take advantage of someone who does value free speech so highly in such a manner.

    this is my second post for the day. I know I have a lot more to say, but will hold off on anymore comments until tomorrow. Except to say that that whole “love means never having to say you’re sorry” thing is garbage. Sometimes it’s the best thing you can say..sometimes it’s the only thing left TO say.

    and for those I have offended myself, and whose feelings I have hurt, whether or not that will ever be stated or acknowledged..I am aware of it, and for that I DO apologize. There is far too much suffering in the world already for me to want to add to any of it.

  • http://www.declineoftheempire.com/2015/01/whos-in-charge-michael-gazzaniga-on-free-will.html

    Who’s In Charge? — Michael Gazzaniga On Free Will

    [quote]

    For those of you who want the short version, there is a review of Gazzaniga’s take on free will issue at the Daily Beast. I’ll skip the Flatland bullshit and quote the part that matters.

    Free will—do we have it or not?

    … Today, in the hot field of neuroscience, the trendy view, Michael Gazzaniga writes, is the “bleak view.”

    The “trendy” view? Gazzaniga’s view is “trendy” only if scientific work counts for exactly nothing, which is the dominant Flatland perspective.

    Everything we do, think, feel, say, or fail to do is determined by our neural circuitry. The brain reigns supreme, tugging the mind along in its wake.

    “The underlying contention,” Gazzaniga writes, “is that free will is just happy talk.”

    … He devotes the first half of his book to laying out the massive collection of neuroscientific evidence showing that we have absolutely no idea what’s going on in our own brains—let alone control it.

    Yes, Happy Talk.

    I am embarrassed (but also encouraged) to say that I discovered Gazzaniga’s work only a few weeks ago. His findings help me flesh out my Flatland theory of how the human mind functions, particularly some of the things I laid out in Part III, where I talk about the origins of bullshit.

    I am working now on an essay about consciousness, free will, Gazzaniga’s work and related subjects. I hope to publish it in the near future.

    In the videos below, bear in mind that Gazzaniga’s interpretation of his work and my own views about it do not necessarily coincide.

  • See here a nine-minute cartoon introduction to some of John Gottman’s couple’s therapy work at U.W. It helps explain why so much so often goes so badly at unmanaged commenting sites like Nature Bats Last:

    Note the points: “30% loss in IQ”, “Often they are so caught up in the fight they don’t want to calm down.”, and “69% of problems never go away.” Even though Gottman’s 30 years of detailed research has focused mainly on couples a high probability exists, and some research suggests, that the principles generalize to most relationships.

  • Glad to see people not giving up on the Monarchs.

    We planted Milkweed too and have seen lots of eggs hatch into caterpillars which “shed their skin to find a butterfly within” – Donovan

    Microbes that make wonderful molecular machines with which to deconstruct rock & metals, etc. to produce energy; genetic/epigenetic memory; old planets without civilizations (Weekend Rebel Science Excursion – 38).

  • If anyone wants a good laugh, Joe Romm over at Think Progress explains to us how achieving a stable climate may not be easy but it certainly will be CHEAP!
    https://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/01/29/3616382/solving-climate-change-cheap/

    What a bunch of crap!

    Hey, I have an idea…if each of you here at NBL gives me one million dollars, I’ll invest it wisely and give you back all of your money plus lots and lots more! WOW. It’s genius. All we need to do is
    * pull every car and truck off the road
    * pull every plane out of the sky
    * retro fit every single building in every single country with a new means of heating and cooling
    * stop using electricity at night or on cloudy days
    * stop fertilizing our industrial agriculture
    * stop using wood
    * stop using cement
    * stop using blacktop
    * stop using plastic
    * stop eating meat
    * shut down the Internet
    * stop using lights at night
    * stop making babies

    I could go on but there’s already enough here to prove how CHEAP this will all be. Don’t forget, after you spend that $100,000 installing a full blown solar array plus ample battery storage for your home, you’ll cut your monthly electric bill to zero. So in twenty or thirty or fifty years you’ll have saved enough money to get back to zero!!

    Wait. What’s that? You say you don’t have $100,000 to invest in a new solar array? But don’t you understand? It’s so CHEAP!!!!

    Un-fucking-believable. It would be laugh out loud funny if it were not so deeply tragic.

  • infanttyrone,

    I need to leave but want to respond to your inquiry. Most importantly, thank you for your most generous suggestion. Idea: What about using one or two of the $2,000 donations and join me in increasing the matching campaign accordingly. Then consider dedicating the other amount(s) toward meeting the match. Finally, if need be I would consider increasing my match. I am confident we are able to accommodate the scenario of your preference.

    Wow, you have the ability to make great things happen. Thank you kindly for your thoughtful consideration.

    I will stay in touch as frequently as possible.

    Respectfully,
    Friedrich Kling

  • Glad to see people not giving up on the Monarchs.

    We planted Milkweed too and have seen lots of eggs hatch into caterpillars which “shed their skin to find a butterfly within” – Donovan

    Microbes that make wonderful molecular machines with which to deconstruct rock & metals, etc. to produce needed energy; genetic/epigenetic memory; old planets without civilizations (Weekend Rebel Science Excursion – 38).

  • I plant milkweed around my yard and area. Sometimes I drive down the highway and release the seed pods as I go. Most times I scout out, over grown, out of the way areas and leave the seed pods on fences and tree branches.The Monarchs come to my yard in the summer most every day. Some people think I am nuts. I live in the southwest suburbs of Chicago land.

  • Studies show – birthdays are good for us.

    Many studies have shown that the more birthdays we have, the longer we live.

    Happy birthday – live long and prosper.

  • Tom Says:
    January 30th, 2015 at 5:56 am


    Who’s In Charge? — Michael Gazzaniga On Free Will

    ===================================
    Perhaps Dave Cohen should consider that Gazzaniga was a left-right brain myther for awhile … perhaps no longer?

    Anyway, that ideology is a myth (The left brain/ right brain myth).
    …………………………………………….

    FriedrichKling Says:
    January 28th, 2015 at 3:20 pm

    Sorry for the 3rd post, but I must dispel a continued grievous misunderstanding.

    Wester and Dredd- “where Hitler’s soldiers could shoot, hang, poison, mutilate and starve men, women…”
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    Don’t link me to the comments of others unjustly or in any other inappropriate way.

    I quoted some of Wester to set the context.

    My point was that NAZI propaganda was formed in large part by America’s greatest propagandist.

    If you do not know who that person was, you simply “cannot understand American history.”

  • We’ve got lots of milkweed around and are planning to plant more. Actually want to plant a whole “host” garden (away from the veggies/fruits, of course) for caterpillars. Then there will be the nectar producing plants for both butterflies and hummers.

    Plus, planting for birds. Bushes, especially, huckleberry and elderberry should do well here.

    Feeding other species has become a reason to live. It’s joy, pure and simple.

  • Infanttyrone: yeah, great “Hitler” video!

    Folks, please, don’t be provoked by a double-named troll, he/she has been dealt with. Amy Pike at 6:35 AM delivered the coup de grace.

  • sorry to but-in, I must

    @Dredd
    is that “greatest of all time”
    is this your opinion?
    is there other authorities?
    is it Bernays?
    FDR?
    YOU?????
    Enlighten me, please (I get here seldom, although I often find the comments amusing)_

  • Dredd-

    Thank you for advising me of my error, for which I humbly apologize.

  • HU HU …from 8000 FT.

    THIS WINTER = A FULL 30 DEGREES ABOVE NORMAL !!!

  • Continuing the theme of the previously mentioned cartoon video, here I summarize in my own words two pages from Gottman, et al, The Mathematics of Marriage, Dynamic Nonlinear Models (2002). Based on the high probability that the principles generalize from couples to close relationships more generally, I have translated from the couples focus to close relationships in general and I discriminate between close relationships and casual relationships. I use “relationship” to refer to close relationships, such as close family, friends, and business relationships, unless otherwise indicated. “Affect” refers to the conscious subjective aspect of feeling or emotion.

    We can describe one of the major problems in close relationships as regulating negative affect, and the balance between negative and positive affect proves absolutely critical in predicting how long a relationship will last. A study of newlywed couples found that during a conflict discussion a few months after the wedding only 30 seconds of positive affect out of 15 minutes of interaction differentiated couples who would end up within the next six years as either: (1) divorced, (2) stable but unhappy, or (3) stable and happy. Happy stable couples had 30 seconds more positive affect (affection, humor, interest, or engaged listening) out of 900 seconds than the unhappy stable couples. The unhappy stable couples, in turn, had 30 seconds more positive affect than the couples who eventually divorced. Subsequent analysis of this positive affect showed that it occurred in the service of de-escalation and physiological soothing only in the group of newlyweds who eventually wound up stable and happily married. This emphasizes the critical importance of de-escalation and physiological soothing if people want to have stable, happy, long-term relationships.

    The idea of balance between positive and negative affect having importance suggests that the goal of productively managing relationships does not involve eliminating negative affect, rather it involves the nature of the dialog, the quality of the dialog. Indeed, negative affect in relationships may serve many positive functions:

    (1) A close relationship with no negative affect such as irritability, anger, sadness, hurt, disappointment, tension, and/or worries does not occur in a real way. Instead, a constriction of the natural flow of the emotions of everyday life occurs. Negative emotions occur as a natural part of close relationships; familiarity and comfort make their expression natural. A close relationship constricted to remain totally cheerful and affectionate works as a living nightmare. Gottman and colleagues have evidence that suppressing affect predicts dissolving the relationship, but later rather than within the first ten years, during which time high negative affect more strongly predicts dissolution.

    (2) Negative affect tends to eliminate counterproductive interactions. For example, for newlyweds disputes tend to eliminate or minimize the most objectionable old bachelor and bachelorette habits that stand in the way of moving away from me-ness to we-ness.

    (3) Negative affect may serve to regulate cycles of distance and closeness in a relationship, and tend to produce continuous renewal.

    (4) Having an ability to cope with the inevitable negative affect of living and/or working closely together may help give a group a sense that they can handle conflict, and it may help redefine the relationship as needed for major transitions over time. Regulating negative affect plays a critical role in maintaining balance and stability within a group.

    Repair attempts appear to play a critical role as a regulatory mechanism. Repair attempts occur naturally during conflict, even for very distressed couples, and they occur at the rate of about one every three minutes. Gottman and colleagues have studied what makes repair attempts successful at down-regulating negative affect. So far they have discovered that only the quality of the friendship determines the success of repair attempts during negative affect.

  • To Friedrich Kling, I sent you an email through my AOL account but it returned undeliverable. The same thing happened when I emailed moflo. When I hit on your highlighted email address a form for contacting you appeared. I wrote to request milkweed seeds but I can’t figure out how to send it. Can you give me a clue as to how to send it? Or you can email me at, okirk88@aol.com, and I’ll send my street address via email. If that doesn’t work I’ll just post my street address right here on NBL for you.

    Sincere thanks!

  • mt Says:
    January 30th, 2015 at 10:59 am

    sorry to but-in, I must

    @Dredd
    is that “greatest of all time”
    is this your opinion?
    is there other authorities?
    is it Bernays?
    FDR?
    YOU?????
    Enlighten me, please (I get here seldom, although I often find the comments amusing)_”
    ============================================
    Read the link I provided in the comment you are all chuckles about, or this:

    Today, few people outside the public relations profession recognize the name of Edward L. Bernays. As the year 2000 approaches, however, his name deserves to figure on historians’ lists of the most influential figures of the 20th century.

    It is impossible to fundamentally grasp the social, political, economic and cultural developments of the past 100 years without some understanding of Bernays and his professional heirs in the public relations industry. PR is a 20th century phenomenon, and Bernays — widely eulogized as the “father of public relations” at the time of his death in 1995 — played a major role in defining the industry’s philosophy and methods.

    “Bernays’ papers . . . provide illuminating and sometimes disturbing background on some of the most interesting episodes of twentieth-century history, from the way American tobacco tycoons made it socially acceptable for women to smoke to the way other titans of industry persuaded us to pave over our landscape and switch to beer as the ‘beverage of moderation.’ The companies involved aren’t likely to release their records of those campaigns, assuming they still exist. But Bernays saved every scrap of paper he sent out or took in . . . In so doing, he let us see just how policies were made and how, in many cases, they were founded on deception.”

    In an industry that is notable for its mastery of evasions and euphemisms, Bernays stood out for his remarkable frankness. He was a propagandist and proud of it.”

    (The Matriarch of the Matrix – 3).
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    FriedrichKling Says:
    January 30th, 2015 at 11:26 am

    Dredd-

    Thank you for advising me of my error, for which I humbly apologize.”
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    If comment software was better it would distinguish our comments from comments of others we are commenting on …

    No problem.

    — my comment max has been breached only one tomorrow —

  • @Mr. Kling
    I am not likely to be able to increase (by any significant amount) the aggregate upper limit for matching contributions in the month of February.
    My question was more along the lines of wanting to clarify the situation so that you weren’t put in a position of having to exceed the level of your matching offer in case some of us pushed the aggregate to over 5,000 USD.
    I sent Guy what I could last night in order to make sure he had something to report in case he wants to occasionally post a running total of funds received during the month, which suggestion I think he is planning on doing. Thanks for thinking I can make great things happen. I’m sure you are correct, but for the moment, the financial arena will have to make do with other participants doing heavier lifting. Just curious and don’t need to know anything that might inhibit your land reclamation efforts, but are you doing this with any particular species in mind ? Be safe…it’s a jungle down there.
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    @Jeff S.
    I figured you’d like the Dead clip. To anyone who was offended by the use of Hitler in that clip, I’ll take a cue from Amy Pike and apologize in advance for the images involved…but not for the bandwidth, voltage, or amperage.

    Jeff, please save me the trouble of scrolling back or drilling down through the voluminous archives here and researching this…but is your overall position really that humans as a species here on this planet can change quickly enough to survive the catastrophic (for us)climate change & loss of habitat scenarios that seem to be generally accepted here at NBL??

    Or are Daniel and some others mis-characterizing your position?
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    @Daniel
    Sorry, meant to point this out a couple times before, but more emotional reactions to a couple of your posts got in the way of remembering to bring it to your attention. You have used the phrase “overwhelming and unprecedented” with respect to NTHE. While I agree that for many, if not most people coming to terms with NTHE is and should be overwhelming (at least for a while), using the word ‘unprecedented’ detracts from your rhetoric (at least to me, and trust me…I’m not the most militant grammarian on my block). If NTHE were precedented, I wouldn’t be here pointing this out to you, who wouldn’t be there, and there wouldn’t be anyone else reading it either. If you have a different grammatical or syntactic take on this, I might not change mine to align with your perspective, but I’d be interested to know what it is.
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    @Amy Pike
    Coup de grace indeed!
    Are you sure you’re not channeling Kathleen Turner’s character from Prizzi’s Honor ?
    If so, please help yourself to a cookie…you earned it.
    I know it’s Anjelica Houston in the clip and not Kathleen’s hit-woman, but it’s the best I can do at the moment.
    Don’t wait up for the perfect clip though.

  • infanttyrone Says:
    January 30th, 2015 at 1:32 pm
    “@Jeff S.
    I figured you’d like the Dead clip. To anyone who was offended by the use of Hitler in that clip, I’ll take a cue from Amy Pike and apologize in advance for the images involved…but not for the bandwidth, voltage, or amperage.

    Jeff, please save me the trouble of scrolling back or drilling down through the voluminous archives here and researching this…but is your overall position really that humans as a species here on this planet can change quickly enough to survive the catastrophic (for us)climate change & loss of habitat scenarios that seem to be generally accepted here at NBL??

    Or are Daniel and some others mis-characterizing your position?”

    The “Hitler” clip is widely circulating, i’d seen it before, but thanks for posting it here. “Hitler” actually articulates my feelings, though i’m not about to contact my booking agent.:-) I find the prices obscene, especially for a stadium show.

    My position was articulated in
    Resistance is the only ethical response to near-term extinction.

    Resistance is the Only Ethical Response to Near-Term Extinction

    To summarize: i haven’t thrown in the towel, think a drastic change on the part of the human species’ behavior is still possible, though the odds against that are very high, and getting even higher the longer we wait. But i think that basing my decision — to resist this rapacious social order and seek to overturn it — upon whether success is likely is totally unethical, or at least contrary to any notion of ethics which makes sense to me.

  • Here’s a short video of the realization of how the world works for some Norwegian kids in Cambodia. The whole series is worth watching (5 short videos), but this last one, especially from the 5 min mark to about 9 (of 12.5) is where it hits home.

    It’s the realization that Wester speaks about. Take a look.

    http://www.aftenposten.no/webtv/serier-og-programmer/sweatshopenglish/SWEATSHOP-ep-5—What-kind-of-life-is-this-7800875.html?paging=&section=webtv_serierogprogrammer_sweatshop_sweatshopenglish

  • I haven’t watched the video.I am on limited download and watch some videos near the end of the charged month.
    Bud Nye,
    Re your 11.29 pm comment. You have no qualms about posting lies,do you Bud? I have no connection to No Justice= No Freedom.

  • I think Gail Tverberg would say there won’t be the energy source to build future infrastructure like this. And I’m not sure I mind that. But this is still a mighty inspiring video to watch.

    http://www.geofflawton.com/fe/77209-re-greening-a-mountain

  • Kirk –

    just sent you an email. don’t know why you would have gotten an undeliverable when sending to me, except for possible mistype of address? was it specifically “undeliverable,” or some other bounce?

  • Jeff S.
    OK, thanks…Your piece might have gone by me when it first came out here.
    I checked my logs here and my first email to Guy was in late January 2013, but I think I wasn’t a daily reader until a bit later in the year.

    Here’s the answer to my question (might not be the answer to someone else’s interpretation of my question, but I can’t fix that if it’s the case):
    Near-term extinction appears to be almost inevitable.

    So, we should resist because it’s the right thing to do because the system we’re resisting is at least wrong-headed, certainly dangerous to our ongoing survival (for whatever period of time we might have), and arguably evil.

    Sounds to me like Daniel (and I forget which of the other folks) is either not cognizant of what you wrote or is interpreting it in a way that is wildly different from what I get out of it, not necessarily by design, but possibly so. But me having a different reading of something than someone else does is not exactly “unprecedented”.

    Keep up the good fight. Columbia ’72 here, older-timer. First heard them do this in late ’68 as I recall. It was the encore and although I was chemically augmented for that Fillmore East late show, I recall it being done at an almost dirge tempo. This is as slow a version as I can quickly locate on YT. Just ’cause the forecast says it’s all over and you find yourself giving up in one sense (as in detoxing from hopium) doesn’t mean it’s anywhere close to time to give in.

  • Infanttyrone,

    Sorry, my good man, but in my opinion, the best version of “Baby Blue” is John Duffy,

  • Friedrich and moflo! Thanks for getting back to me. I emailed you back. Life is good!

  • Great stuff, but too late…A few years back, Maggie and I saw Eckhart Tolle speak in NYC. He was at the Beacon Theater (the same theater on the upper west side, that Mr. Carlin performed the amazing act in the above video).

    http://robinwestenra.blogspot.co.nz/2015/01/evolve-or-die-human-extinction-and.html

  • shep –

    fixed the first link for you, and deleted your second try.

    Tech Note for better living and sharing of musical enjoyments:

    for some reason, YouTube links that are part of YouTube song lists do not translate well here. try just posting the song/video itself, not as part of a larger list.

    what I mean by that. just chop off everything from the ampersand (&), onwards, in a longer link.

    go from this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4GsSCfOeAk&list=RDw4GsSCfOeAk#t=193

    down to this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4GsSCfOeAk

    the first link will not work. the second one will. you can see where everything from “&list” after is chopped off to make the link work.

    “OK, computer?”

    “High quality, man.”

    Kirk – big thanks for getting in touch with me! 🙂 life is very good.

  • Dear mo flow,

    It only takes one.

    Namaste

  • Hi, Guy. I’m really excited to hear that you’ll be coming to MA. I’m a student at the University of Massachusetts Lowell, and if there’s anything I can do to help you out I’d be more than willing to do so. I don’t know how any of this stuff works, but it would be great to have you lecture here. Send me an email if you’re interested, and/or I’ll keep a lookout on this post. If nothing can happen then hopefully I’ll see you in Boston!

  • Tom,

    Tried to download the clips you suggested:

    http://www.aftenposten.no/webtv/serier-og-programmer/sweatshopenglish/SWEATSHOP-ep-5—What-kind-of-life-is-this-7800875.html paging=&section=webtv_serierogprogrammer_sweatshop_sweatshopenglish

    but without much success…

    Hal, the computer staring me in the face, has been telling me for a long time to get a real job. Seems Hal has a point. I managed to view about 20 seconds and then it became a no-go… Even that was interesting. Thanks for the suggestion… I would have liked to view them.

  • Folks won’t behave as I like.

    There oughta be a rule.

  • Jean: i probably should have linked here instead, i hope this works for you.

    http://www.ecouterre.com/reality-show-sends-fashion-bloggers-to-work-in-cambodian-sweatshop/

    [begins]

    A young blonde woman weeps openly on camera, her manicured fingers perched wanly against her cheekbones. “I can’t take it any more,” she sobs in Norwegian. “What sort of life is this?” Her name is Anniken Jørgensen, one of three young fashion enthusiasts who “star” in a five-part online reality series about the horrors of sweatshop labor in Cambodia. Tapped by Aftenposten, Norway’s largest newspaper, for the social experiment, 17-year-old Jørgensen, along with 19-year-old Frida Ottesen and 20-year-old Ludvig Hambro, flew to the Southeast Asian country’s capital of Phnom Penh, where they experienced a modicum of a Cambodian textile worker’s life for a month in 2014. [lots more]

    Here’s one from the good ol’ U.S. of A(ssholes)

    http://susiemadrak.com/2015/01/30/still-attacking-indians/

    Still attacking Indians

    RAPID CITY— “Some 57 charges of child abuse and assault reportedly will be filed against the drunken hockey fans who subjected 57 American Indian students to racially-charged taunts the included spraying the students with beer and lacing them with racial slurs, according to unnamed sources.

    This news comes on the heels of a meeting held this afternoon, Wednesday, January 28, 2015, in Rapid City, South Dakota with a group of parents of the students, school officials, Oglala Sioux Tribal officials, law enforcement, the general manager of the Rushmore Plaza Civic Center and city officials from Rapid City.

    A busload of parents took the one hour and half bus ride and arrived to meet with the Rapid City officials to discuss the incident and to seek justice for their children. Some are calling on the U.S. Attorney’s Office to bring hate crime charges against the perpetrators.”

  • http://www.marketwatch.com/story/10-excuses-americans-spout-to-deny-doomsday-is-at-hand-2015-01-30?page=1

    Opinion: 10 reasons you don’t hear the Doomsday Clock ticking

    We’re numb, ignoring what amounts to 400,000 nuclear bombs a day

    [quotes]

    Yes, today the old pattern is repeating. Listen to 10 excuses Americans make. All of us, not just Big Oil but all across America, Washington, Wall Street, and yes, all over Main Street. Here’s why we are already repeating the same fate as the Mayans in today’s world of endless hypocrisy and denials about global warming, failing to prepare, oblivious of the coming storms. We are self-destructing our civilization and our planet with nonsense rationalizations like these:

    1. Climate costs must be balanced against jobs and the economy

    2 . Technology will solve all our climate problems

    3. If you exhaust one resource, just switch to another that works as well

    4. We just need more genetically modified crops and better distribution to get food where needed

    5. Improvements in life span, health, and per capita wealth prove life on Earth has been getting better for decades

    6. Earlier dark predictions by fear-mongering environmentalists prove wrong

    7. The population crisis is solving itself

    8. Planet Earth can easily handle infinite population growth

    9. Climate-change concerns are the luxury of affluent First World citizens who have no business lecturing desperate Third World citizens

    10. If environmental problems get desperate, so what, it’ll happen after I die, so I can’t take them seriously today

    [each point has an associated short paragraph, and there’s more]

  • The PTB are aware of impending events and are securing hideouts:

    “As world events threaten the comfortable lifestyles of the West’s super-rich they have begun buying up fabulous ‘bolt hole’ properties in the far-away safe haven of New Zealand.

    The world’s elite are snapping up properties in the tiny country, which they see as a shelter from the threat of terrorism, civil unrest and instabilities in the financial markets.

    Financial experts attending the recent World Economic Forum in Davos this month revealed many wealthy hedge fund managers have already started planning escapes for themselves and their clients should life in the northern hemisphere descend into chaos.

    Mr Johnson was backed up by Stewart Wallis, executive director of the New Economic Foundation.

    Mr Wallis told CNBC Africa at the Davos gathering that a New Zealand bolthole was ‘a way to get off’, adding: ‘if they (the wealthy) can get off onto another planet, some of them would. I think the rich are worried and they should be worried.’

    (Daily Mail). Climate change catastrophe and the wrath of the public is something they can try to run from, but that reality is something they can’t hide from.

    We are all on the same boat in such matters.

  • Good Saturday Morning everyone,maybe it’s just me however I thought everyone of the higher educated knew of the infamous Edward Buynows?, he was Frauds brother in law was he not? minus 31C as I type this at 9:58am est here on the north shore of Lake Ontario.
    I also read today that Guy’s former university has done a study on the rebound of the Iceland land mass that seems to show the mass is rebounding up at a rate of 1.6 inches per year due to the loss of ice and snow as the warmer temps increase, this information is easy to Google, but trust me I have no agenda unlike Buynows did. Good Day!

  • I’ve posted the latest version of Edge of Extinction, along with other tidbits. It’s all here.

  • Thanks Tom…
    Tried the same link you posted yesterday and this time all went well. I went to Bangladesh and China some years back for our company and noticed the same conditions. People worked six days a week and towed the line, or else. Even though we were there only a few days, I once saw a supervisor twist a worker’s ear because she had made a mistake. Supervisors themselves are under the gun to produce… Most have dinners around 10 pm and enjoy eating out every night. It’s their only entertainment. Also saw the ships being dismantled in Chittagong, the most dangerous jobs in the world.
    When the seas rise they will have nowhere to go. In the springtime bodies of dead workers are just p-laced in the river and float downstream to the sea. There is so little land that buried bodies would just overwhelm much heeded land. It’s the practical thing to do. No wasted energy.
    A few years ago more than 1,000 factory workers died in Dhaka when a factory just collapsed from the concrete breaking down from too many sewing machines shaking the building… Haven’t heard anything from the media ever since. In Canada there are thousands who are homeless, deprived from a warm shelter at minus – 30 C , this in a country where there is enough room for everyone on the planet.
    This is the main reason for NTHE. It’s not overpopulation in anyway, but a lack of care from the rest of us.

  • Infanttyrone: Thanks for that Jerry video. I was at that show. Last night i saw a great music show in the same spirit, Stu Allen and Mars Hotel, who create the experience weekly, with a shifting crew, Stu being the only constant, and yes, i enjoyed a bus ride on the way.:-) Columbia ’72? Yeah, i went to school about twenty blocks further uptown, the City University’s CCNY campus, school of engineering. Will fight the good fight as long as i’m here. And have fun doing it.

  • The Paul C. Roberts interview cannot be accessed.
    I’d like to support Guy’s efforts financially, but I don’t use (trust) paypal, can You give me an account number (EU- compatible, IBAN+ SIFT), so I can do so?

  • Thanks for the heads-up, Ouse M.D. The Roberts interview was canceled due to snow, so there was no show last week. I’ll be in touch via email.

  • “dairymandave Says:
    February 1st, 2015 at 1:25 am

    [i]If men would just leave nature alone, growth powered by sunshine would remove C from the air and return it to the soils. It has been working for billions of years. Nothing needs to be done except get out of the way, stop harvesting the C and sending it to the cities. It never comes back to the land. I regret that I have been doing this for the past 65 years. Not a single molecule ever came back to the farm.

    Whatever grows on an area of land is supposed to stay there, even if some of it (a very small portion) is eaten by bugs or animals. Their waste and their bodies also stay there. This builds soil. So, the best way to get C out of the air is to do nothing…no harvesting of crops. The people need to be eliminated. No one wants to hear that, of course. People want to “DO SOMETHING”. People already have done something and plenty of it.

    If a very few people lived on the land (lots of land, not 1/4 acre or whatever), that is what has worked in the past, 99.9% of the past.

    But this is all academic now, just words.
    [/i]

    As he knows, there is zero chance that humans will self-eliminate. So it seems best in the meantime to restrain the human presence outside of the urban centers. And there is no reason why all human requirements can’t be generated in urban areas, or why C can’t be massively sequestered there as well.

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    I think our society confuses the medium–high tech–with the message. Given the extraordinary wrongness of mainstream society, everybody buried in their I-phones and oblivious to the collapse around them, it should be clear that a sharp turn is needed. The picture I offer here is that nothing matters but the perceived physical world, and technology, useful as it potentially is, should do no more than serve the needs of that physical world. In other words, technology should not be about itself any more than buildings in a landscape should call attention to themselves. Nature first…and last. MHO.