So This is The Anthropocene? Or, Rather, is Our Hubris Showing?

by Alton C. Thompson

The term “Anthropocene,” although originated by some Russians in the 1980s, was given its current common meaning by USan “ecologist Eugene F. Stoermer[,] and has been widely popularized by the [Dutch] Nobel Prize-winning atmospheric chemist, Paul Crutzen, who regards the influence of human behavior on the Earth’s atmosphere in recent centuries as so significant as to constitute a new geological epoch for its lithosphere.”

The most recent time periods of geological history (see below, source), consist of (a) 5 Ages of the Holocene Epoch of the (b) Quaternary Period of the (c) Cenozoic Era.  What, e.g., Crutzer and Stoermer want to do, evidently, is claim that the Holocene Epoch has been superseded by the Anthropocene Epoch:  The (p. 614) “the Earth has now left its natural geological epoch, the present interglacial state called the Holocene.”

Alton essay for NBL

The authors go on to state (pp. 616 – 617):

Around 1850, near the beginning of Anthropocene Stage 1, the atmospheric CO2 concentration was 285 ppm, within the range of natural variability for interglacial periods during the late Quaternary period.  During the course of Stage 1 from 1800/50 to 1945, the CO2 concentration rose by about 25 ppm, enough to surpass the upper limit of natural variation through the Holocene and thus provide the first indisputable evidence that human activities were affecting the environment at the global scale.  We therefore assign the beginning of the anthropocene to coincide with the beginning of the industrial era, in the 1800 –1850 period.

So far as I know, geologists have not given their consent to this interference, by non-geologists, with their nomenclature.  And why should they?  The geological time table is their bailiwick, and “In the Geologic Time Scale, time is generally divided on the basis of the earth’s biotic composition, with the Phanerozoic Eon (i.e. the Paleozoic, Mesozoic and Cenozoic Eras) representing the period of Earth’s history with advanced life forms, and the Pre Cambrian (or Proterozoic and Hadean Eras) representing the period before advanced life.”

Underlying changes in “biotic composition,” of course, are those changes of most direct interest to geologists, however,  changes in (a) Earth’s surface—i.e., its configuration and rock composition at any given location; (b) when those changes occurred; and (c) why—i.e., the “forces” responsible for those changes.  The forces most commonly identified are ones of an internal nature (such as volcanism), along with asteroids.  In fact, the Permian—which occurred from about 299 to about 252 ybp (i.e., “years before present”)—at the end of “which nearly 90% of marine species and 70% of terrestrial species died out”—many scientists believe that:

an asteroid or comet triggered the massive die-off, but, again, no crater has been found.  Another strong contender is flood volcanism from the Siberian Traps, a large igneous province in Russia.  Impact-triggered volcanism is yet another possibility.

That is, either an external force—an asteroid or comet—or internal ones were responsible for the “Great Dying”—the worst in the geological record to date.

The above are not my only reasons for objecting to the use of the word “Anthropocene” for the period from about 1800 – 1850 CE to the present, however.  Consider the following passage from an article published in early January of this year, written by science journalist Gaia Vince:

the changes humans have made in recent decades have been on such a scale that they have altered our world beyond anything it has experienced in its 4.6 billion-year history.  Our influence is no longer confined to a local area or even a region—it’s global, and so profound, it is pushing the planet into a new age that geologists [Oh?!] are calling the Anthropocene, the Age of Humans.


In the Anthropocene, humanity has become a geophysical force on a par with the earth-shattering asteroids and planet-cloaking volcanoes that defined past eras.  Earth is now a human planet.  We decide whether a forest stands or is razed, whether pandas survive or go extinct, how and where a river flows, even the temperature of the atmosphere.  We are now the most numerous big animal on Earth, and the next in line are the animals we have created through breeding to feed and serve us.  Four-tenths of the planet’s land surface is used to grow our food.  Three-quarters of the world’s fresh water is controlled by us.  It is an extraordinary time.  In the tropics, coral reefs are disappearing, ice is melting at the poles and the oceans are emptying of fish because of us.  Entire islands are vanishing under rising seas, just as naked new land appears in the Arctic.

In her recently-published  Adventures in the Anthropocene:  A Journey to the Heart of the Planet We Made she continues by asserting (p. 6) that “We [humans] live in epoch-making times.  Literally [in that Crutzer and Stoermer consider it a geological “epoch”].  The changes humans have made in recent decades have been on such a scale that they have altered our world beyond anything it has experienced in its 4.5 billion-year history [her article had said 4.5 billion].  Our planet is crossing a geological [Oh?] boundary and we humans are the change-makers.”

The “anthropo” in “Anthropocene” refers to humans, of course; and there’s no doubt that it is humans who have been responsible for changes that have been occurring—atmospheric (not geologic!) changes directly, other changes caused by those atmospheric changes.  But given the bases for how geologists have identified different eras-periods-epochs, etc., in our geological past, there is no basis for identifying the Anthropocene as a geological epoch.

More importantly, however, what Vince has written (as quoted above) brings to my mind the word “hubris,” which “means extreme pride or self-confidence.  When it offends the gods of ancient Greece, it is usually punished.”

Vince is correct in declaring that our influence on the planet has been “profound,” but when she writes (in her book, p. 6) that “Humans have the power to heat the planet further or to cool it right down, to eliminate species and to determine its biology,” she strikes me as “profoundly” (!) ignorant.  She noted a few lines earlier that while conducting her “research” she “heard plenty of dire predictions about our future on Earth.  But at the same time I was also writing about our triumphs, the genius of humans, our inventions and discoveries, about how scientists were finding new ways to improve plants, stave off disease, transport electricity and make entirely new materials.”

In the course of her reading and interviewing, then, although she had encountered both negative and positive views, it was the latter that most convinced her.  In doing so, she neglected to recognize the fact that—as Guy McPherson has put it so well, and so succinctly—“Nature Bats Last.

Granted that humans have played a significant role in “changing the face of the earth.”  But our powers are puny in comparison with Earth’s.  And because Earth is a system, the changes which we make in Earth not only result in changes which directly make our lives more difficult, but other changes which may very well make a “turning back” impossible (see my recent “The Ironies of Our Present Situation” and this video).  Meaning that we humans may be heading inexorably toward extinction!

Nature, because it “bats last,” will have the “final say,” and people like Vince are foolish to think otherwise, and place their faith in our ingenuity as humans—especially because it is our “ingenuity” that has given us our current predicament!  Vince is by no means alone, of course!

The Greeks may have believed that the gods would punish those guilty of hubris.  Today, however, we know that our hubris will be the fundamental cause of our demise as a species:  We have mistreated Earth, and Earth will—is in the process now—of removing that cancer known as the human species.  What we humans should do before that happens has been well-stated by Guy McPherson.  However, the probability that more than just a few will heed McPherson’s advice is close to 0.00!  Who was the fool who called ours the most intelligent of all species?!


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  • Bravo for Earth!

    The best arbiter of justice!

  • The Misanthropocene
    The scientists who got together to detail the mass extinction crisis in 2012 were absolutely horrified to find out that once we get somewhere past 50% species destruction, then catastrophic cascading extinction collapse becomes irreversible and unstoppable, and that no one really knows where the ultimate final tipping point is, nor will we know until we are past the point of no return. Nothing is more productive while careening towards the end of life on earth as we know it, than to bicker about what to call it. Old egos never die, they just fade away.

    While we race to that finish, take a peek at the Planetary Dashboard.
    In twenty years we will be in a post peak world with shortages in everything except violence. There will be extreme shortages in food, water, energy, minerals, peace and prosperity. We have never experienced anything like it since the Great Depression.

    You heard of peak oil, we are now past peaks in the following:
    cropland, eggs, fertilizer, fish caught, maize, meat, milk, oil palm, rice, soybeans, wheat and wood..

    This is why the President of the World Bank says we only have 5-10 years before we start fighting for food and water.

    Some will say you can’t predict the future, bullshit. When you have $100 in your bank account and you spend $120 per day, when will the shit hit the fan? You don’t need to be a fucking genius to figure this shit out.

    post script:

    Hawaii’s solar batteries melt down in just two years.

    CHARTS: Giant gap between future lithium supply, demand.

  • Maybe “Anthropocalypse” is a better moniker for our era.

  • A few questions: when do human-induced effects or conditions become geological, though? In a putative future won’t there be signs of, say, hydraulic fracking, or an abrupt change in ocean acidity, or the shifting of land mass because no longer under the weight of ice? I read also about “future geologists” finding a layer of plastic material. I don’t know about how radiation presents itself in soils over time, but I would imagine there would be strata indicating fallout, and/or the traces of elements that humans have made. Maybe I am misunderstanding a sophistication in your argument?

    I agree with you about the article under review, but then why do you go on to say that other changes “may very we’ll make a turning back impossible”? I don’t think there is ever a turning back in any natural system, correct me if I’m wrong.

    Finally, I will take issue with the idea of Earth having agency (although we understand the wry metaphor which is the title of this blog). It implies that humans are 1.) not a natural part of the Earth’s systems, and 2.) that the removal of humans has the potential to return the “patient” back to health. My personal opinion is that both those implications are unwarranted.

  • Guy,

    I hope you can hang in for a while, because I’ve noticed a large rise in end-of-life-as-we-know-it articles in the media of late, but what’s even more interesting is that the comments that go with so many of these reports are way less dismissive than the were just last year or so, even in England.

  • I remain out of the loop due to Page Not Found errors. Perhaps I will post again, some day, if/when the WordPress system lets me.

  • Did Charlie Chaplin really write this “Love Yourself” Manifesto? I don’t know, but it says a lot of what we’ve arrived at here.

  • RC –

    “but what’s even more interesting is that the comments that go with so many of these reports are way less dismissive than the were just last year or so, even in England.”

    yes, I’ve noticed this, too. I give it 5 years max before the larger truth has completely crystallized in about 85% of the total population that has regular access to the MSM and posting comments on the internet. things are going to get very interesting. it is unclear just how much they will speak this truth, but the reality will be impossible to “unsee” at that point.

    Bud – another thing to try, if you haven’t already: clear everything from your browser – all cookies, history, etc.

  • Really at this point in time should we [plain&simple] be called the exponentialocene period,1 look at The Great Acceleration [Dash Board]look every graph doubling ! Put in on your refrigerator. Population, CO2, methane,and yes money.
    It takes alot of compounding to make the rich, richer, how put that into the same equivalent equation ,of exponential curves. The disparity gap,the elites have the wealth and control of most stuff ! Because investment capital is on the same exponential curve, they will spend there money on themselves or the message to protect there wealth. Just how many terror events does it take to make a total police state,I don’t know,so how many false attacks will it take to make a collapse, I don’t know. We are riding the downward logarithmic spiral, it’s hyperbolic baby. And yes I think Dr. Guy McPherson gets at least 99% or more right.Right on Thanks everyone !

  • Henry – yes, a quick Google shows that he did, on (or around) his 70th birthday.

    and also this, for what it is worth:

    I’m sorry, but I don’t want to be an emperor. That’s not my business. I don’t want to rule or conquer anyone. I should like to help everyone – if possible – Jew, Gentile – black man – white. We all want to help one another. Human beings are like that. We want to live by each other’s happiness – not by each other’s misery. We don’t want to hate and despise one another. In this world there is room for everyone. And the good earth is rich and can provide for everyone. The way of life can be free and beautiful, but we have lost the way.

    Greed has poisoned men’s souls, has barricaded the world with hate, has goose-stepped us into misery and bloodshed. We have developed speed, but we have shut ourselves in. Machinery that gives abundance has left us in want. Our knowledge has made us cynical. Our cleverness, hard and unkind. We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery we need humanity. More than cleverness we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost….

    The aeroplane and the radio have brought us closer together. The very nature of these inventions cries out for the goodness in men – cries out for universal brotherhood – for the unity of us all. Even now my voice is reaching millions throughout the world – millions of despairing men, women, and little children – victims of a system that makes men torture and imprison innocent people.

    To those who can hear me, I say – do not despair. The misery that is now upon us is but the passing of greed – the bitterness of men who fear the way of human progress. The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took from the people will return to the people. And so long as men die, liberty will never perish. …..

    Soldiers! don’t give yourselves to brutes – men who despise you – enslave you – who regiment your lives – tell you what to do – what to think and what to feel! Who drill you – diet you – treat you like cattle, use you as cannon fodder. Don’t give yourselves to these unnatural men – machine men with machine minds and machine hearts! You are not machines! You are not cattle! You are men! You have the love of humanity in your hearts! You don’t hate! Only the unloved hate – the unloved and the unnatural! Soldiers! Don’t fight for slavery! Fight for liberty!

    In the 17th Chapter of St Luke it is written: “the Kingdom of God is within man” – not one man nor a group of men, but in all men! In you! You, the people have the power – the power to create machines. The power to create happiness! You, the people, have the power to make this life free and beautiful, to make this life a wonderful adventure.

    Then – in the name of democracy – let us use that power – let us all unite. Let us fight for a new world – a decent world that will give men a chance to work – that will give youth a future and old age a security. By the promise of these things, brutes have risen to power. But they lie! They do not fulfil that promise. They never will!

    Dictators free themselves but they enslave the people! Now let us fight to fulfil that promise! Let us fight to free the world – to do away with national barriers – to do away with greed, with hate and intolerance. Let us fight for a world of reason, a world where science and progress will lead to all men’s happiness. Soldiers! in the name of democracy, let us all unite!

    ~ Charlie Chaplin, from The Great Dictator

  • u know, mo flow (how’d u come up with that name), chaplin’s speech is great, sometimes 60 minutes is keen, the gathering in atlanta for milk, jr., used to be a good voice, innumerable wonderful individuals have warned us over and over, and yet… nothing ever changes, ever.

    it is all for naught. hell, let’s just go to sleep and forget the whole thing.

    yep, “love is all that remains.” and it has always been so.

  • A Roundup of Roundup® Reveals Converging Pattern of Toxicity from Farm to Clinic to Laboratory Studies

    by Eva Sirinathsinghji / January 20th, 2015

    Too much time in the lab¿ Whoever heard of such a thing¿

    Methinks some of you haven’t spent enough time in the lab.

  • ogardener,
    You asked: Spending too much time in the lab… “Whoever heard of such a thing? ” Gee! I dunno….MMMMmmmmm! How about Frankenstein, Monsanto engineers, Chemical artisans…. … Pseudoscience posting elitists maybe ! A few snobs… Your guess is as good as mine… Hope these can start your own list.

  • First, let me apologize for posting a comment that is off-topic.

    In this blog, some participants have occasionally speculated about whether the elite factions that operate supra legem are aware of the multi-dimensional crises that are leading to the inevitable collapse of the current world structure. Imo, they know what is coming and they intend to install a totalitarian police state in order to retain power as long as possible.

    A 29 year old Iraq War veteran, David Crowley, spent the last five years developing an independent film called Gray State, about the imminent financial collapse and the imposition of a global police state. Although the film is driven by the typical Americanist ideology of faux freedoms (i.e. entitlement to property and endless consumption), it does draw attention to the sinister survival plans of the so called shadow government. Unfortunately, the film does not link the looming collapse to such implacable forces as arctic methane release, abrupt climate change, grain crop failures, et cetera.

    Shockingly, three days ago, Crowley, his wife and their five year old daughter were found dead in the family’s livingroom. According to news reports, they may have been dead for four weeks before a neighbor found them. No one has reported any kind of domestic violence, loud disputes, or even gunfire. Moreover, David Crowley seemed to be a man on a mission who was trying to develop his film project and promote popular resistance.

    Here is a link to the film’s trailer, which will demonstrate why “someone” wanted to silence Crowley and kill this project.

  • Of course, before there was McPherson, there was Koyaanisqatsi. 1982. Anyone who’s really wanted to know where we’re going has had clues aplenty for a long time. Course never altered, only accelerated.

    Sorry, this “reverse” version was all I could find.

  • @Henry and mo flow

    Paolo Nutini incorporates The Great Dictator Speech in his song Iron Sky:

  • Good points Alton.

    Scientific nomenclature has a tradition of being helter-skelter.

    Witness the “Modern evolutionary synthesis” which took place some 8 decades ago, and lasted about a decade.

    It was an attempt to clean up the nomenclature that had gone “hubristic” in the wake of Darwinism.

    Even “geology” is ambiguous in terms of a solid ID of a discipline (“geo-” means Earth, “-ology” means any branch of science or knowledge).

    So, even “geology” does not, in its pure, inherent meaning, convey only the science of knowledge of rocks, minerals, and other abiotic entities.

    That condensation is also nomenclature decay.

  • ** David Crowley, spent the last five years developing an independent film called Gray State, about the imminent financial collapse and the imposition of a global police state. **

    To be added to the hundreds more videos and articles about the imminent financial collapse and the imposition of a global police state written in the last 6 decades.

    infowars??? Boo!

  • A Denier Runs into a Doomer after the Crash

    You didn’t explain as one should,
    In some manner that I understood;
    Here we go once again:
    I attacked you back then,
    But this time, I’ll fuck you up good.

  • Dredd,

    You wrote, among other things, in just a few short sentences, the following literary masterpiece of incomprehensible rhetoric. “Scientific nomenclature of being helter-skelter.””Modern Evolutionary synthesis”, “Hubristic nomenclature”, “Abiotic entities”, and finally “A condensation is also nomenclature decay”…

    Wow! or should I write Whew! Are you kidding me? I’ll take Darwinian lingo any day. As far as Darwinian’s wake, it left an imprint on many, but the best thing about Darwin was that he used the English language, as opposed to the incomprehensible hubris that you seem to favour. Moreover, you may want to check if your use of ‘condensation’ is a correct divergence from the word condensing.

    The realm of your rhetorical verbosity seems a little over the top…
    Just my sacred opinion….

  • @Dredd, I get what you are talking about. It’s arbitrary what any person or group chooses to define as “geo-logy”. Maybe I’m reading him wrong but the OP seems to want to eliminate certain processes or inquiries from that definition, for what sound like personal political or ideological (rather than logical) reasons.

  • Bob James / Earl Klugh – San Diego Stomp

    To all those having difficulty posting on Guy’s website. Might I suggest that if you don’t know what it is, then don’t touch it.

  • I think Endocene fits pretty well.

  • Wail, if ya dassent layek Anthripicene, hubbout Croakazoic?

    “Soldiers! don’t give yourselves to brutes – men who despise”

    A person’s first loyalty is to the person who writes his paycheck. Wage slaves are bought and paid for. Including, but not limited to priests and police.

    Difficulty posting? Avoid TLDR.

  • This will make you feel really optimistic about the future:

    A class of 110 students at Clemson University was polled to determine the number of students who intentionally swerved their vehicle to crush a turtle. Astoundingly, 36 students answered in the affirmative of which approximately 2/3 were male.

    Nice to know we are molding a more compassionate next generation of human beings. Thanks mom and dad for raising these little monsters.

  • TED Talks
    Matthieu Ricard:
    How to let altruism be your guide

    TEDGlobal 2014 · 16:07 mins· Filmed Oct 2014

  • **Thanks mom and dad for raising these little monsters.**

    You call a kid a monster for killing a turtle, yrt admit your mom was going to run down and murder a group of men kicking a cat?

    How about the .1% monsters who suck up to governments so they can be first in line to build freedom crushing **mission critical** infrastructure for their masters?? Ever seen the NSA **data center** in Utah ? Or the East Coast Headquarters of the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) built to oppress folks the world over ??

    The men that give us these crush freedom for the world. They are true monsters.

    College students running over a turtle — not so much.

    Oh, you might want to adjust your claim to have been drafted after graduating the Academy in 1981. The draft ended in 1973.

  • FriedrichKling,
    Re: Turtle kills…. Hard to believe…. and yet maybe not that hard. When the empathetic index is measured in the adult world in which they grew up, it’s not that surprising…

  • BOB S.

    Kling is a Klingon (sp?)?

  • Jean Turcot Says:
    January 20th, 2015 at 4:45 pm


    … Are you kidding me? I’ll take Darwinian lingo any day. As far as Darwinian’s wake, it left an imprint on many, but the best thing about Darwin was that he used the English language …
    Just my sacred opinion….
    No, I was not kidding anyone, nor addressing you, it was addressed to the author of the post.

    BTW, it does not matter what language sacred opinion is expressed in, especially when it is hate, for instance, in the racial form: “Lastly, I could show fight on natural selection having done and doing more for the progress of civilisation than you seem inclined to admit. Remember what risks nations of Europe ran, not so many centuries ago, of being overwhelmed by the Turks, and how ridiculous such an idea now is! The more civilized so-called Caucasian races have beaten the Turkish hollow in the struggle for existence. Looking to the world at no very distant date, what an endless number of the lower races will have been eliminated by the higher civilized races throughout the world.” – Charles Darwin (1881 letter)

    The Darwinian sacredness is funny, but ignorant of poetic sentiments that are humane.

    Very bad nomenclature is also sacred in Social Darwinism and subsequent Eugenics.

    But as long as it is sacred opinion it is fit to strive.

  • Speaking of hubris again, in the SOTU there was bragging about the U.S. being the world’s number one oil producer, combined with the notion that the .gov is serious about climate change.

    “We’re number one!” is good for some issues, but not for others.

  • Dredd,
    Errrr! What ???? I don’t understand most of your comments. Sorry… You know… it’s the science that I’m probably missing. Nevertheless,

    Your quote from Darwin’s letter:

    “Looking to the world at no very distant date, what an endless number of the lower races will have been eliminated by the higher civilized races throughout the world.”

    Sounds about what Darwin probably wrote, and recognizing his style a little, it seems clear enough. i.e., a Survival of the Fittest agenda — higher, lower, stronger, weaker, etc. Just an uneducated guess.

    Now compare Darwin’s English above to yours in your previous post:

    “Scientific nomenclature of being helter-skelter.””Modern Evolutionary synthesis”, “Hubristic nomenclature”, “Abiotic entities”, “ Condensation is also nomenclature decay”…

    Although it’s still only my opinion, albeit ‘sacred’ as you implied, the point I was trying to make is that Darwin used the English language, as opposed to the hallowed nomenclature you seem to favour, in spades.

    You also wrote in this post:

    “The Darwinian sacredness is funny, but ignorant of poetic sentiments that are humane.” and “Very bad nomenclature is also sacred in Social Darwinism and subsequent Eugenics.”

    WHAT?? You lost me in the first sentence, and then some. And even though you keep buzzing around quoting Darwin, I would bet my bottom dollar (Whoops, I better look if I still have it ) that you haven’t read his theories, i.e., ‘The Origins of Species’ and “The Descent of Man’.

    If Darwin made one mistake, it was in choosing man as the principal descendent from apes, but when patriarchy seems to rise in just about every social structure of humanity, maybe he didn’t make a mistake after all.

    Thanks for reading my “sacred opinions”.


    California Is Going Through the Worst Drought in 500 Years

    [17 min. video]

  • ,
    “Chronic anxiety is a state more undesirable than any other, and we will try almost any maneuver to eliminate it. Modern man is living in anxious anticipation of destruction. Such anxiety can be easily eliminated by self-destruction. As a German saying puts it: ‘Better an end with terror than a terror without end.”
    ― Robert E. Neale, The Art of Dying
    …a breakdown of society could arise from rapid global population growth and unsustainable resource exploitation.
    Just ridin’ on this runaway train, staring out the window, with a cat on my lap.

    The Voluntary Extinction Movement
    Thou shalt not procreate.
    The Church of Euthanasia
    Save the planet, kill yourself.

  • Is the head of the Church of Euthanasia still alive? If so, why? Typical hypocrisy.

    Greens Vs. Thorium

    Tar Sands co-opts Thorium

    Molten Salt Reactors in Five Years?

  • I’ve posted a brief response to last night’s State of the Union address. It’s here.

  • Dredd,
    My apologies for my ranting.. I really don’t think that we are near human extinction just yet and so my position regarding NTHE is probably more cursory than not. As such, I should not have involved myself in discourse and will return to the shadows for now.

    The discussions on climate change however are highly motivating and may yet lead to some positive actions on our part…

    Thanks for your replies …


  • An unbiased look at Molten Salt Reactors

  • Poor Bob S.-

    Your Camp Lejune blanket party stories have warped your brain. Why would you regale in stories about beating people in a cowardly manner? If Bobby does not like someone, when the person is sleeping while using the cover of darkness, cover the person with a blanket then use towels containing bards of soap to beat the shit out of the person. if you had any honor or guts, you would confront the person in a fair brawl, but not you. You are a coward and a vigilante thug who hides his identity like the KKK.

    Now your sickness has caused your brain to engage in confabulation.

    You are quite the bitter troll. Your lack of empathy for non-human life speaks to a pervasive sickness of the soul.

    ShepPLE- Why waste time on a was not person. Your meaningless life has caused you to become bitter and angry. You hate any person working for a better world, which explains your sick eagerness for death and destruction.

    Yeah, I know your types- the refuse of society.

  • Bob S-
    It sounds like you’re saying that we need to just focus on the evil .1%, and I sincerely hope you’re doing that.
    Boys will be boys after all, even in college/ sarc off.
    By the way Bob S., what are You doing in the struggle against the .1%?

    So what to do about the monsters who torture innocent animals? These are the same idiots who go on to commit war crimes, go to war willingly in service to the .1%, the same ones who abuse their wives, children, and pets. No big deal? Think again. This mindset is a toxic hologram passed from generation to generation, and is possibly at the root of our inability to live sustainably on the planet. Nothing could be more important.
    My solution would be to have the same penalties for crimes against animals as for crimes against other humans.
    Or disguise some IED’s to look like turtles, put them on roadsides where one would have to deliberately go off the road to hit them. 🙂

  • **My solution would be to have the same penalties for crimes against animals as for crimes against other humans.**

    All animals? Or just the cute ones?

    Sentencing folks to death for swatting mosquitoes seems a bit extreme. Would Terminix be charged with genocide?

    OTOH pay per view torture and executions for hurting and killing the cute cuddly ones would prolly be a moneymaker with the facebook posers and PC crowd.

    Kling, you are a liar, and a dishonorable POS. You call an entire Regiment of Marines cowards while they risk their life so Richie Rich’s like you can stay safe at home. You lie about your service then disrespect those who have served honorably. You’re pathetic.

  • Now I remember you Bob S, you’re the one who runs over turtles and then goes off to fight and kill for the .1%.

    The thing is, there is no heirarchy of value of one species over any other –
    except that the base of the pyramid of life is more crucial to the integrity of the whole than the tip.
    We have carved away huge chunks of the base, and now the pyramid is in the process of falling. Lack of respect for other species is just another chunk out the base.

  • “The thing is, there is no heirarchy of value of one species over any other – except that the base of the pyramid of life is more crucial to the integrity of the whole than the tip.

    We have carved away huge chunks of the base, and now the pyramid is in the process of falling. Lack of respect for other species is just another chunk out the base.”

    Excellent way of putting it, I think. I’ll copy it onto the forum.

  • Pyramid of what, though, if there is “no heirarchy of value of one species over any other”?

  • Hi Wren –

    Thanks for your measured reply to my facetious questions. It seems you have read too much into my post to FK – I have never fought for Empire nor do I harbor ill will towards turtles or any other organic life on Earth. My post was little more than ad hom directed at FK. I apologize for airing it in blog comments.

    Might I add, I agree wholeheartedly that humans have **waged war** against organic life for as long as I can remember. We drill, dig, blast, chop, gouge and consume like a veracious plague upon the land. We convert everything in our path to fancy, shiny **stuff** and electronic 0’s. And all this we do without regard to our great mother or the cornucopia of life she sustains.

    So here we are – rushing around the surface of our blue marble like our hair is on fire – **crazy ants** – pontificating about great things, patting ourselves on the backs for being oh so clever. If I were the Big Boss for a day, I would command the multitudes to sit down and shut up. Be still. Relax. Direct your attention inward to the only place change is possible.

    Oh well. We are so screwed.

  • Bob writes, “You call a kid a monster for killing a turtle….College students running over a turtle — not so much (monsters). yrt admit your mom was going to run down and murder a group of men kicking a cat?”

    Let’s clarify your PURPOSEFUL MINIMIZATION of my description. I DID NOT WRITE “kicking a cat”. I wrote this group of thugs was stomping to death Stinky the cat. Mom rushed Stinky to the vet for emergency surgery for a broken jaw, fractured skull, multiple broken bones, and lacerations. He was hovering between life and death, but thanks to the vet and Mom’s loving encouragement, Stinky survived. YES, MY MOM IS A HERO. I LOVE MY HERO MOM AND I ADMIRE HER COURAGE.

    Then, you wrote, “nor do I harbor ill will towards turtles or any other organic life on Earth”.

    What explains these diametrically opposed statements? Simple. You coveted a reason, no matter how patently absurd, to hurl a cheap shot my way in order to satisfy your desire for revenge.

    Bob, for the record, I am asking you nicely to cease and desist with your self-described “ad hominem” attacks and mischaracterizations. Do not address me further whether directly or indirectly. I have NEVER initiated a dialog with you. My comments are always written in response to your attacks. The unfortunate choice would be yours should you wish to escalate.

  • I failed to RESPOND in my comments above (I have never initiated a conversation with you) to the following confabulations and mischaracterizations:

    Bob writes, “Kling, you are a liar, and a dishonorable POS. You call an entire Regiment of Marines cowards while they risk their life so Richie Rich’s like you can stay safe at home. You lie about your service then disrespect those who have served honorably. You’re pathetic.”

    For starters, I have no need or desire to prove my 6 years of military service. So SHUT THE FUCK UP with the phony guilt about the enormous sacrifices you made just to make me safe. Do you have any idea how completely absurd you appear? At a minimum you suffer from Borderline Personality Syndrome. For your benefit, you should seek mental healthcare.

    I never called an entire regiment of Marines cowards. SHOW ME where I wrote this UNLESS you are referring to my disgust with your jocular characterization of the “blanket parties” you inflicted upon your fellow Marines. For those who are unfamiliar with this terminology, don’t be fooled by the seemingly innocuous language. Let me describe what happens Using the concealment of darkness along with the element of surprise in order to ensure the victims are defenseless, the attackers skulk to the victims bunk. Swiftly a heavy woolen blanket is thrown over the victim. Then the victim is beaten senseless with towels containing heavy bars of soap. The perpetrators then sulk back into bed thereby preventing their identification. These attacks are committed with such intense aggression that victims have been killed. At a minimum, the victim is hospitalized and although the physical injuries may heal, the mental anguish lasts a lifetime. When the perpetrators are identified, a swift court marshal under the UCMJ occurs, rightfully so, resulting in a dishonorable discharge.

    What sort of human being boasts about their participation in such wickedness?

    Now that I have responded to your mischaracterizations, I am nicely requesting that you do not address me any further.

    The End.