Coming Soon to a Neighborhood Near You

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19 February – 4 March 2015, In and around New York City, New York (details below). Please RSVP for each of these events by sending a message to naturebatslast2007@gmail.com.

22 February 2015, 6:00 – 8:00 p.m., Lippitt Auditorium, Room 402, University of Rhode Island, Kingston, Rhode Island, “Panel Discussion, Near-Term Human Extinction”

24 February 2015, 7:00 – 9:30 p.m., Spoonbill Books, 218 Bedford Avenue, Brooklyn, New York, telephone 718.387.7322. Reading and signing books, with plenty of time for Q&A, wine, and cheese. Details here.

27 February 2015, 6:00 – 9:00 p.m., Project Reach, 39 Eldridge Street, Suite 4, New York, New York, “Abrupt Climate Change: How Will You Show Up During Humanity’s Final Chapter?”

1 March 2015, 6:00 p.m. Woodbine Collective, 18-84 Woodbine Street, New York, New York. Reading and signing books, with plenty of time for Q&A.

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Abrupt Climate Change: How Will You Show Up During Humanity’s Final Chapter?

4-16 March, Northern California Tour organized by Peter Melton: 530-680-5550,
Peter.Melton3@gmail.com. Additional venues may be added.

11-12 March 2015, Veterans Hall, 415 North Pine Street, Nevada City, California, presentation and workshop titled, “Abrupt Climate Change: How Will You Show Up During Humanity’s Final Chapter?” Follow on Facebook here.

11 March: 6:30 – 8:30 p.m. presentation and public discussion
11 March: 8:30 – 10:00 p.m. workshop part I
12 March: 9:00 a.m. – 3:00 p.m. workshop part II

13-14 March 2015, Chico Peace and Justice Center, 526 Broadway, Chico, California, presentation and workshop titled, “Abrupt Climate Change: How Will You Show Up During Humanity’s Final Chapter?” Follow on Facebook here.

13 March 13: 6:30 – 8:30 p.m. presentation and public discussion
13 March: 8:30 – 10:00 p.m. workshop part I
14 March: 9:00 a.m. – 3:00 p.m. workshop part II

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22 March – 3 April Boston, Massachusetts. Details to follow.

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6-30 April 2015, western Europe (additional details forthcoming, and follow the tour at guymcpherson.net and also on Facebook)

25 April 2015, 6:00 p.m., Conway Hall, 25 Red Lion Square, London, “Climate Awareness Seminar”

European tour spring 2015

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  • Love the kookaburra! This one must have heard your last podcast, since he is laughing so hard.

    Gallows humor is not only appropriate at all times, but necessary, or at least I have found it to be so. I am still getting on my own two feet, but do have it as a personal goal to get to the point this year where I can not only be on my own two feet, but be able to extend an invitation and organize or be a part of in some capacity a speaking tour/engagement in my own “neck of the woods” in Oregon, if it is possible.

  • A mistake some climate change strategists make is to exclude, rhetorically, religious people.

    Consider the religious struggle going on regarding climate change, and that stragegy pans out as a mistake.

    A large portion of the population is religious, however, a large portion of them understand climate change is anthropogenic.

    Another portion considers it deigenic climate change.

    Don’t reject religionists who believe in anthropogenic climate change (Good Nomenclature: A Matter of Life and Death).

    Even if you are an atheist.

  • Bring It

    Extinction’s a natural state,
    But the ways that we act while we wait
    Human morals negate;
    And based on our hate,
    We richly deserve our fate.

  • The current atmospheric CO2 concentration is around 401ppm..

    This is far too low! It is only 120 to 140ppm above where it should be!

    So ‘everybody’ is working frantically to increase the level as quickly as possible via consumption of fossil fuels, consumerism, construction, deforestation, industrial agriculture and population growth etc.

    If ‘we’ try really hard ‘we’ might just manage to raise the atmospheric CO2 level to 420ppm AND use up all the easily accessible oil by 2020.

    I’m not saying were are living at End of Empire on the Planet of the Maniacs or anything like that. It just seems that way.

  • Sabine,

    I wrote the following a while back, decided not to submit it, and have now decided that it actually fits the theme of Guy’s “Coming Soon to a Neighborhood Near You” video posted here quite well. So:

    You recently wrote “And dear Bud, your replies to Bob S are like lectures for a naughty boy and can seem very PC. I’m all for politeness and don’t like competitive posturing. It would be nice not to have it here at all. Your comments are always polite but can seem terribly patronising, at least to me. You really do come across as ‘holier than thou’ but I’m sure that’s not your intention. He doesn’t deserve this, and he’ quite right in saying that you ‘know 0 about him’.”

    Oh, the poor, sweet boy Bob S. I know 0 about Bob S.? Not true at all. I know, you know, and we all know that he makes, and supports others making, ad hominem attacks and uses other emotionally abusive verbal behaviors on others, and I have focused on THAT WELL KNOWN BEHAVIOR. I have not stated anything about him and others other than what everyone here already knows very well. On the other hand, I HAVE ASKED QUESTIONS of him and others regarding their motivations, which he and they have consistently refused to respond to. With this, you suggest that it remains perfectly okay for them to make ad hominem and emotionally abusive attacks on others—and to encourage others to do so as well—but NOT for me to point out the OBVIOUSLY HIGHLY DESTRUCTIVE nature of their doing that? Amazing. I confess that I feel a strong, deep sense of revulsion and disgust regarding this dynamic that occurs so commonly here in which some commenters treat others in incredibly disrespectful, uncivil, and abusive ways, and then most others PROACTIVELY SUPPORT that kind of behavior, just as you do in defending them. And THEN you and others, complain about people launching ad homimen attacks on Guy?! You really don’t see the destructive nature of this kind of double standard? (To answer my own question: Of course not, because humans exist mainly as highly emotional, insane animals, not rational, reasoning animals.)

    We all know very well that Bob S., and many others who comment here, strongly advocate and support ad hominem and other kinds of abusive attacks on other commenters here. I asked him and others questions regarding their motivations related to doing that. I have asked why they demand the freedom to do that here while, presumably, not doing that in many other areas of their lives. I have NOT assumed that I know anything else about them, as you have claimed. I have only posed relevant questions and asked for clarifying feedback (which I do not recall anyone ever answering, other than by attacking my character for having asked). In the midst of this, you suggest that it remains perfectly okay for Bob S. and others to do these things, but NOT for me to ask them about their motives? “He doesn’t deserve this”?! I strongly disagree. I think that people who verbally or otherwise abuse others definitely DO “deserve” that I and others question them about their motivations. When they shit here in the NBL comments area I think that they do indeed “deserve” my serving as stink on their shit and rubbing their noses in it whenever I wish to do that, for as long as I continue to have an interest in doing that, and for as long as Guy will allow me to do that, which I intend to continue to do.

    In this process, I fail to follow your reasoning concerning this. I find it amazing that, like you, most commenters here, by far, actually support other commenters making ad homimen and other kinds of abusive attacks on others rather than discouraging it. Perhaps you or someone else will help me to understand these two things: (1) If we have those values regarding fellow commenters and treat others here in those ways, why would anyone ever complain about the ad hominem and abusive attacks so often directed at Guy, given that we encourage and support that same behavior among ourselves? (2) Similarly, why do some of us complain about what we do to Earth’s biosphere, while at the same time advocating treating EACH OTHER in similarly destructive, abusive, bullying ways? “Oh,” some will no doubt claim, “This is different! We don’t actually hurt anyone with this stuff here at NBL.” Belittle me all you wish with your claims that I presumably advocate trivial, politically correct language here, but I say bull shit to that responsibility-disowning, rationalizing idea that “we don’t really hurt anyone” crap—especially given that you obviously do not advocate others treating your own children or other family members in those ways. You almost never have any idea what effects your abusive verbal behaviors here have on others here. You don’t have ANY IDEA who may have spent significant time and money in therapy, in a psychiatric hospital, or may have killed themselves directly or indirectly as a result of your narcissistic, verbally violent language. Meanwhile, not knowing these things, and with consummate reasoning and logic, you conclude that “It’s perfectly okay for us to behave in these ways here and Nye is terribly patronizing and pathetically PC to suggest otherwise.” Correct: I have just enough arrogance, or just enough knowledge, or enough assertiveness, or health, to believe that if you have so much ignorance regarding these things, which seem like little more than just “common sense” to me, then I need to do my best to help you increase your awareness of them.

  • Great work to you Guy, Peter, and Pauline. Keep up the great work. I’d love to get Guy up here to Minneapolis/St. Paul. Anyone who is here in the Cities and on NBL, give me a shout out here and let’s see if we can drum up some support and networking to pull this off.

  • Supercilious TLDRs constitute a fancy form of ad hominem.

  • Great video. Thanks to everyone.

  • quoting Bud Nye”I have asked why they demand the freedom to do that here while, presumably, not doing that in many other areas of their lives. I have NOT assumed that I know anything else about them, as you have claimed. I have only posed relevant questions and asked for clarifying feedback (which I do not recall anyone ever answering, other than by attacking my character for having asked). In the midst of this, you suggest that it remains perfectly okay for Bob S. and others to do these things, but NOT for me to ask them about their motives? “He doesn’t deserve this”?! I strongly disagree”

    You have a right to disagree, but honestly your “sincere questions” towards Bob S. read to me like the cop that assumes guilt by asking “when was the last time you beat your wife?”..matter of fact, that’s pretty much exactly what you were doing. It’s not being a victim of bullying if what you are presenting as an attack on someone else is read as just that, and you get called on it.

    I do far prefer to have a civil discourse, but when it comes the choice between a civil one and an honest one, no matter how painful, I would still prefer the honest one, but that’s just me. Of course it is best if it can be both, and that is something to strive for, but I would still rather be slapped with the truth than kissed with a lie.

    Of course true kisses are best of all..that’s why they are pretty rare in my experience too, almost, but not quite, as rare as unicorn farts. Now me personally, I respect the truth in whatever form it comes, but I’m an odd duck for that, and get a crazy check every month to prove it.

    what I’m really trying to say, in my own fashion, is just this, Bud:


    Lighten up, Francis. Take a toke or something now and then, it would really be good for your blood pressure. After all, it’s the end of the world already.

  • Gallows humor yes, and absurdist humor as well to help you through the daze and nights.
    Ranking up there with Python’s fish dance, here’s Mojo’s acoustic version of the heavy metal classic…..

  • Robin Datta and Amy Pike,

    I hope that you do not find this question so long that it somehow supposedly constitutes an ad hominem toward you or someone else, or that it presumes guilt, constitutes some kind of dishonesty, or produces excess blood pressure for me:

    What motivates you to support commenters here who use abusive, verbal violence, what social benefits do you see in people doing that here or anywhere else, and if you do not advocate people behaving in their lives in other venues in this way, such as in their families and businesses, as you probably do not, why do you support it here?

    I would really appreciate a direct, straightforward, brief, clear response to this question, versus yet another ad hominem attack on me for my asking it. I would really, truly, honestly, sincerely, and calmly like to know your answer to this question, which I do not presume to know. I expect that many other readers would like to know as well.

  • NBL commenters –

    it is a bit of a mystery as to why the system has gotten touchy with posting in the last couple of weeks. comments seem to get spam binned more easily (like this one and two others I just unspammed), and then sometimes they just don’t want to post. (see tech note above for ideas on how to save a longer comment).

    I am looking into cleaning out the user database from tons of spam accounts which could be gumming up the gears, and also other ways to make things work more smoothly with posting. thank you very much for your patience!

    ~mo

  • Amy Pike,

    Of course true kisses are best of all..that’s why they are pretty rare in my experience too, almost, but not quite, as rare as unicorn farts. Now me personally, I respect the truth in whatever form it comes, but I’m an odd duck for that, and get a crazy check every month to prove it.

    1) Unicorns who have switched to a low-gluten or gluten-free diet have been shown to have fewer problems with flatulence. New & Improved Phlogiston Power-flakes from Purina seem to be the replacement food of choice, although there is some controversy about whether the GMO content in them has been reduced to zero.

    2) You get a check for telling the truth ? Like causality and not just correlation ? Waaay cool…please hip Morty to the MO on this caper…he says he needs a job, but I betcha a check would be an acceptable substitute.

    This may be even more obscure than a $2 bill, but at least Jefferson is involved in both.

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    If you can’t maintain your altitude, please try to keep up your attitude!
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    Morty,

    Stolen from the chapter in the secret TPTB playbook titled:
    “What’s mine is mine & what’s yours is…OH! That’s mine, too!”,
    here’s a commentary on (y)our problem…
    not the oldest one in town, but 45 years old or so…
    take line away for all’a y’all wage-slaves out there…
    “Make good money five dollars a day…made any more I might move away”…
    Like Guy has said from time to time, the system is working well as designed.

  • Bud Nye-

    THANK YOU for having the guts to call out Bob S., who has proven himself to be a dirty scoundral of the lowest order.

    Bob S., on multiple occasions, states without ANY FACTS that I insulted the Marines. When I challenge him to SHOW the bases for this filthy lie, the only response is silence. You see, this all stems from the fact that I called out Bob S. for boasting about the beatings Bob S. and his cowardly confederates meted out in the form of BLANKET PARTIES to fellow Marines with whom he had a disagreement. For those who are unfamiliar with this terminology, don’t be fooled by the seemingly innocuous language. Let me describe what happens…. Using the concealment of darkness along with the element of surprise in order to ensure victims are defenseless, the attackers quietly slink to the victims bunk. Swiftly a heavy woolen blanket is thrown over the victim. Then the victim is beaten senseless with towels containing heavy bars of soap. The perpetrators then sulk back into bed thereby preventing their identification. These attacks are committed with such intense aggression that victims have been killed. At a minimum, the victim is hospitalized and although the physical injuries may heal, the mental anguish lasts a lifetime. When the perpetrators are identified, a swift court marshal under the UCMJ occurs, rightfully so, resulting in a dishonorable discharge.

    What sort of human being boasts about their participation in such wickedness?

    So am I surprised that Bob S. has no sympathy for the victims of bullying?

    Then how about the phony guilt Bob S. attempts to engender about the enormous sacrifices he made just to make rich pricks like me safe. Most conveniently Bob S. alw3ays seems to forget that I was HONORABLY DISCHARGED AFTER SIX YEARS of MILITARY SERVICE. Does he have any idea how completely absurd he appear? Amazing the depths people will sink to………I am now almost embarrased for the guy except for the fact he is a heartless asshole.

  • How about instead of gallows humor, instead call it what it is, being a smart**s

  • Bud Nye,

    I don’t know you, nor have I known anyone here on NBL for longer than 2 weeks. I have been listening to what Guy has to say for about a year but I am new here on the forums. I hope you will consider what I have to say and take the time to reflect upon it.

    Here’s how I understand your situation when I try to empathize with you:

    You genuinely sound confused by what’s going on when folks here appear to attack you willy nilly (or as you say, ad hominem). And yet these bullies seem to be defended by others. Then there are those who appear to sit by and say nothing despite the clear injustice running amok. They seem to be ignoring you. And Guy doesn’t step in to put down rules banning uncivil behavior. Why?

    A number of people have explained to you how they see it. In just these two weeks I have been hanging out here on the forums, people have tried to talk to you sincerely. I believe many have tried and given up. I almost decided not to bother but your last post where you sincerely ask for an explanation made me think it’s worth a shot. If I say I sincerely doubt my words will have an effect, I am setting myself up for failure. So I won’t say it 🙂

    I’d ask you to consider if your predicament has anything to do with your oft-stated position on emotional humans being inferior to rational humans. You make a rather stark distinction there. You even associate emotion with insanity. Rational, reasoning, logical humans seem to be of a superior kind in your view. And you bemoan the fact that we humans are instead emotional and insane animals.

    Anyone who reads your posts is likely to say you’re one of the more emotional people here. There is nothing wrong with being emotional. There is nothing wrong with emotions. Your sentences might appear to you as logical self-evident arrangements of words that are clear and precise in their meaning and intent. They say nothing more and nothing less than they say! But the truth is that all of your writing (and you’re a good writer, by the way) leaves a number of breadcrumbs that are quite visible for most people to see. We gather what someone is saying by reading between the lines. Yes, we’re like that. Most of us. Can’t help it. And what those breadcrumbs reveal is slightly different from what your carefully constructed words mean to say from your viewpoint.

    Please consider that this “reading between the lines” is not a liability on the part of emotional humans. Consider the possibility that language itself is a poor substitute for a deeper level of communication. When we communicate in person, body language accounts for much more of the communication that ends up happening. More than exactly what words were spoken. But even on an online forum, where words are all there are to see, much is said in between the lines. And that’s what people are keying into. And that’s why they say the things they say. They’re not ganging up on you. If anything, some are trying hard to empathize with you. They are trying hard to get you to see their point of view.

    We live in a grossly unequal world and many of us often feel isolated and alone. Society can and does seem unjust in many ways. It seems unjust because it IS indeed bloody unjust. I’d be the last one to tell you that you’re in the wrong and everyone else is right. If you really feel some people here are being unfair and others won’t do anything about it, explore that feeling. That’s an emotion to probe into. Go deeper into it and ask specific, pointed questions that will engage folks. I think you actually did just that in your last post. And that’s what prompted me to write.

    My apologies if I am being presumptuous here. Feel free to ignore those things that I’ve said that don’t make any sense to you.

  • Tech Note

    making some adjustments. hopefully will be less trouble with posting comments… we will see.

  • “What motivates you to support commenters here who use abusive, verbal violence, what social benefits do you see in people doing that here or anywhere else, and if you do not advocate people behaving in their lives in other venues in this way, such as in their families and businesses, as you probably do not, why do you support it here?”

    I despise verbal violence (including TLDRs); I do not support it.

  • Infattyrone: funny thing, till i saw this Donovan video i had no idea he wrote it, was only familiar with the Jefferson Airplane version and since i didn’t have the album i always assumed it was theirs, especially with the name being in the lyrics.:-)
    And a great Cumberland. I don’t think the triple ponytails were the reason, but the period when Jerry, Bob and Mickey all had ponytails also featured some of the best music in the band’s history.

    Satish: EXCELLENT post!!

  • hmm, can’t see that my recent changes have made one iota of difference. still getting the goofy spam binning. seems to be a larger issue with the overloaded database.

    will still be looking at how to truly fix this, until it is fixed.

  • does a link to a hack site like drudge report without a single comment attached to it, such as from killswitch, count as spam? I don’t care who it is, a link without comment, especially from a rag like drudge report, would possibly count as one in my book.

    And thank you, Satish, you expressed it very well, in my opinion anyway. Better than I could have. Bud, I harbor no animosity towards you or anyone else here. Any perception towards that would be a lack of communication skills on my part.

    @Mo Flow..a gluten free diet! Now why didn’t I think of that! and getting a crazy check takes many years of hard work..doesn’t come easy..but then again, you HAVE to be crazy to think you can take on the Veterans Administration and survive..but here I am, after over a decade of struggling for it, and finally managed to prove I’m crazy enough to say whatever I want. I just have to live with the consequences is all. Other than that..piece of cake…gluten free, of course. 😉

    and yes, I will do my best to answer Bud’s comments, which are as follows: “What motivates you to support commenters here who use abusive, verbal violence, what social benefits do you see in people doing that here or anywhere else, and if you do not advocate people behaving in their lives in other venues in this way, such as in their families and businesses, as you probably do not, why do you support it here?

    I would really appreciate a direct, straightforward, brief, clear response to this question, versus yet another ad hominem attack on me for my asking it. I would really, truly, honestly, sincerely, and calmly like to know your answer to this question, which I do not presume to know. I expect that many other readers would like to know as well.”

    What is my motivation to ‘speak’ with people who use language you consider abusive in ways you consider supporting such abuse? Do you see what I did there? I removed the foundation of it as fact and looked at it as your perception..which is exactly what it is. I do not like it when people are abusive or say violent things, but here’s what I do that enables me to carry on conversations with them..I forgive them, I look for what it is about them that irritates me and then work to improve that in myself, and I carry on and go from there. If it becomes an issue where there is no longer any form of communication going on at all, or there is any perception on my part of danger, I leave. period. And I realize that I’m far from perfect myself, and try not to expect it in others.

    I don’t advocate for or expect “verbal abuse”..and yes, will be the first to admit that where that is concerned, as with a lot of people, I have been guilty of it myself. Thing is, I can forgive myself these days too, or I’m learning to. If you consider words like “prissy” and “pedantic” to be verbal abuse, then yes, I am guilty of it, and for using words that hurt your feelings, I do apologize.

    I will just finish by saying that allowing other people to say what they want or what they feel, and supporting that fully, does not mean I support them when it goes beyond words. There is a difference between words and actions..the latter tends to leave more bruises, trust me, that is the voice of experience talking.

  • my apologies for misattributing something infanttyrone said as something moflow said, and please don’t count this as a post. :p

  • Oh my — I’m battered and bruised. Down for the count … 3, …4, … 5

    Lyin POS fake bird lover cheers from the sideline **kill the bum**

    PC strawman factory wails away …

    But wait …

  • trying for the fourth time

    Okay, I find it pretty ironic and amusing that my correct to the post I made showed up, but the original post didn’t, and of course I forgot to copy that one before posting, so it’s in the ether now, and will be sure to copy this one so I don’t repeat that particular mistake.

    @Bud Nye. you posted: “I hope that you do not find this question so long that it somehow supposedly constitutes an ad hominem toward you or someone else, or that it presumes guilt, constitutes some kind of dishonesty, or produces excess blood pressure for me:

    What motivates you to support commenters here who use abusive, verbal violence, what social benefits do you see in people doing that here or anywhere else, and if you do not advocate people behaving in their lives in other venues in this way, such as in their families and businesses, as you probably do not, why do you support it here?

    I would really appreciate a direct, straightforward, brief, clear response to this question, versus yet another ad hominem attack on me for my asking it. I would really, truly, honestly, sincerely, and calmly like to know your answer to this question, which I do not presume to know. I expect that many other readers would like to know as well.”

    I don’t consider long posts ad hominem, and contrary to what I previously posted, yes, I do read all the posts still, however long they are, it’s just that it does get to be a bit of a chore sometimes, I will be honest.

    What is my motivation for my comments? I am not advocating for or supporting violence in people one bit, I just am trying to communicate, that is the purpose of all my posts. I don’t know if my calling you prissy or pedantic is considered verbal abuse by you or not, and if it is, I do apologize.

    See, to me it’s also about forgiveness. It’s about being forgiven and forgiving the other person and then moving on. It’s about speaking your piece and then letting it go.

    It doesn’t mean excusing an action, and it doesn’t mean not setting boundaries, but what it does mean to me is also setting priorities too. I know that words can hurt as much as blows, but blows leave bruises, and yes, there is a difference and I have experience where that is concerned too.

    I think Satish said it far better than I could have, and I even said it better myself a little while ago, but lost that post, so this one will have to do.

    and also..

    1) Unicorns who have switched to a low-gluten or gluten-free diet have been shown to have fewer problems with flatulence. New & Improved Phlogiston Power-flakes from Purina seem to be the replacement food of choice, although there is some controversy about whether the GMO content in them has been reduced to zero.

    A gluten free diet, who knew! I would want the diet to definitely be organic and gmo free as well, of course, only the best for magical creatures.

    2) You get a check for telling the truth ? Like causality and not just correlation ? Waaay cool…please hip Morty to the MO on this caper…he says he needs a job, but I betcha a check would be an acceptable substitute.

    I fought the Veterans Administration for over a decade to get my benefits and lived to tell about it, that in and of itself shows how crazy I am. 😀 All you have to do is live through some seriously crazy shit to have something to fight them over about first is all. And yes, it is cause and not correlation. If I knew how to lie better and bs others and swallow the bs..well then I wouldn’t be crazy,would I? 😉

  • Bud Nye,

    What motivates you to support commenters here who use abusive, verbal violence, what social benefits do you see in people doing that here or anywhere else, and if you do not advocate people behaving in their lives in other venues in this way, such as in their families and businesses, as you probably do not, why do you support it here?

    I’ll start with four words that come to mind when I read this loooong question that would have been more effective if it had been made into three separate sentences. End of unpaid composition advice.

    Accept
    Tolerate
    Defend
    Encourage

    When I read & re-read your word “support”, I think you intend to mean what I mean by “defend”. Maybe you mean it more along the lines of what I mean by “tolerate”. For me anyway, the difference between those two is less than the difference between either of them and any of the others.

    I’ve been reading and commenting here for about 2 years or so. Although there may have been people here who actively encouraged others to use language that you object to, I can’t think of any offhand. If you want to point out any instances that you consider to have been actively encouraging, feel free to do so. But, I’d appreciate it if you’d at least provide the date(s) on which it/they occurred, along with, naturally, the name(s) of the commenter(s) involved when doing so. That way, in case we come up with different opinions about them, at least we’ll all be dealing with the same text.

    I don’t think that I defend or support any of what you are objecting to.
    I don’t think the people who are doing what bothers you need me to defend them. Since they’ve clearly been able to get under your skin, neither do they need my support.

    I find my attitude to most of the red rhetoric and purple prose here to be somewhere in the range between toleration and acceptance. Occasionally I read something that bothers me enough to make a comment that is designed to be a metaphorical firm smack on the back of someone’s head. The one I recall best (but not perfectly) was when Daniel had either a post or a super-long comment that basically took Mike Ruppert to task for taking his own life. As I recall, I suggested to Daniel that he might want to find out where Mr. Ruppert was buried and just go piss on his grave. But, for the most part, I just read what folks write here and try to incorporate the information that appears to be useful. If someone writes in an interesting style, that’s usually a bonus. An irritating style means more work or less comfort involved in getting the hopefully relevant info. But either way (or even a flat, neutral style) is fine with me. I’m here for the wine – the sommelier’s jacket being snazzy or soup-stained doesn’t affect my nose or taste buds.

    To me the difference between toleration and acceptance goes something like:

    When I tolerate something here, there’s a part of my mind/brain/whatever (like a metaphorical ‘voice in my head’) that says, “In a perfect world I wouldn’t have to let this slide, but that person seems to have paid enough dues to warrant a pass *this time*.”, or, “If I were king, that life-altering rant about Arctic methane would have been delivered with more or less XYZ, but, hey, it’s important info, and my time is better spent in looking into what they just said than it is in getting into their face with a comment that dumps on their rhetoric, syntax, grammar, or whatever it is that wasn’t perfect.”

    When I accept something here, it’s when some other, non-judgmental part of my mind operates properly and gets to the end of what I’m reading before my internal critic gets its motor running. That other part reminds me that the world isn’t quite perfect yet and would progress only slightly (if at all) toward perfection if I *were* the king…and that we have a few decades worth of oxygen left…and that humans seem to have a reptilian rather than a rational agenda setter…and that it’s The Beach of Doom, etc., etc. etc. (I hope Yul excuse The King & I reference…must have sovereignty on the brain today…it can be a royal pain in the ass sometimes.)

    Well, this is approaching epic dimensions and I’m not sure I’m saying anything that will be of use to you, so I’ll stop now. Time for music or comedy. I’m tempted to put up a version of “Ripple”, but there are or were some haiku purists here and I don’t want to upset them with the chorus’s non-traditional 6-7-4 structure. I’m fine with being a provocateur from time to time, but you know those haiku purists…one little slurred-together slip, one micro-elision, and they’re ready to bar your soul from resting with those of the virtuous in the Elysian Fields forever. But there’s this…

  • https://arctic-news.blogspot.ca/

    Sunday, February 8, 2015
    Two degrees of warming closer than you may think

    It has taken a hundred years of human-caused greenhouse emissions to push the global temperature up almost one degree Celsius (1C°), so another degree is still some time away. Right? And there seems to have been a “pause” in warming over the last two decades, so getting to 2C° is going to take a good while, and we may have more time that we thought. Yes?

    Wrong on both counts.

    The world could be 2C° warmer in as little as two decades, according to the leading US climate scientist and “hockey stick” author, Dr Michael E. Mann. Writing in Scientific American in March 2014 (with the maths explained here), Mann says that new calculations “indicate that if the world continues to burn fossil fuels at the current rate, global warming will rise to 2C° by 2036” and to avoid that threshold “nations will have to keep carbon dioxide levels below 405 parts per million”, a level we have just about reached already. Mann says the notion of a warming “pause” is false. [lots more]

    http://www.desdemonadespair.net/2015/02/5-reasons-peak-food-is-worlds-no-1.html

    5 reasons Peak Food is the world’s No. 1 ticking time bomb

    (Market Watch) – Global food poisoning? Yes, We’re maxing out. Forget Peak Oil. We’re maxing-out on Peak Food. Billions go hungry. We’re poisoning our future, That’s why Cargill, America’s largest private food company, is warning us: about water, seeds, fertilizers, diseases, pesticides, droughts. You name it. Everything impacts the food supply. Wake up America, it’s worse than you think.

    We’re slowly poisoning America’s food supply, poisoning the whole world’s food supply. Fortunately Cargill’s thinking ahead. But politicians are dragging their feet. They’re trapped in denial, protecting Big Oil donors, afraid of losing their job security; their inaction is killing, starving, poisoning people, while hiding behind junk-science.

    The truth is, America, Big Ag worldwide farm production can’t feed the 10 billion humans forecast on Planet Earth by 2050. Can we wait till 2050 for the fallout? No. The clock’s ticking on the Peak Food disaster dead ahead. We’re at the critical tipping point, the planet is boiling over. [there’s more]

  • Jeff S., I read your thoughtful “resistance” post from 2 years ago at https://guymcpherson.com/2013/05/resistance-is-the-only-ethical-response-to-near-term-extinction/ and the 240 comments on it! There’s plenty more to read here on the forums. I’m impressed by the quality of the discourse here.

    In honor of NBL and all the commenters on the forum, I have an essay here – http://www.goingkuku.com/2015/02/whodunnit.html

    Thanks, all, for the comradeship!

  • Listen to the militarists abhoring verbal violence. OMGWTF

  • While we are contemplating the extinction of Life, or at least of most species, one of Guy’s “pursuit of excellence” activities must be to enjoy the various miracles of Life’s adaptations in the present biosphere.

    Amazing the tenacity of most species in their prolific attempts to reproduce themselves, and indeed, only destruction of their habitat can negate the billions of progeny they are able to extrude.

    Each of the species I watch in these Attenborough documentaries reflects back to me just who we are, as babies, as parents, as eaters and mortal leave-takers. And it’s taken me all these decades to really appreciate the place I/we have relative to all these others. I see myself so clearly in each of them.

    We are incredibly lucky to have these photographers and means of communication to be able to easily see all these forms that Life has taken.

    I expect I will go on marveling at this to greater degrees in decades to come, if I am able. If I was a young person starting higher education now, I think Biology would be a top pick, even Conservation Biology, knowing now and appreciating here all that Guy has put before us.

  • Bud,

    Thanks for your long reply!

    As I tried to get through in my last comment addressed to you, I do think that the way you phrase your comments is always polite.
    And I agree with Satish, you’re a good writer.
    But nonetheless, you can sound patronizing, I will not take that back.

    I can’t see how you could feel personally, verbally attacked by my saying this. It’s what I would say to my own husband of more than 40 years if I thought that he were patronizing.’ I would say it to my sister and my friends too. Speaking one’s mind like this is not a verbal attack.
    Of course I don’t know you, what you look like, how old you are, your personal history, all of them things that would influence my conversation with you, if I were to meet you face to face, watching your body language and,if necessary, choose my words according to what I see. Does that make sense?
    So, without this knowledge, I read between the lines, as we all do here, trying to “see” the living human being behind this online conversation. That’s not always easy with every person. Many people build up a particular persona, therefore I feel that I’m not talking to the real person.
    Some people here are different. I feel that I can “see” an authentic human being expressed in their words. With you,I tend to have a problem. I cannot always “see” the living being behind the face of the well-meaning educator. And this “well-meaningness” can come across as patronizing, superiour (and other words from the patriarchal vocabulary).But only you know what you want to seem to be here. I have to guess.

    And by the way, I quite like it if people tell me how I come across. Other people’s impressions can be very helpful, even if they’re not exactly flattering.
    All the people who comment here, no matter how old, have come to terms with NTE, why else would they be here? This knowledge alone should make a person stronger, at least that’s how it is for me.

    This knowledge is my “bath in dragon’s blood”. It has made me into a bit of a dragon, no doubt, but if you would know me in person, you would see that I’m a kind and thoughtful one who feels nothing but love for everything alive … but inconsolable sadness for the death of the biosphere. This is an emotion most of us share here, please tell me you do too.

  • Satish: thank you so very much for the kind words. I’m really glad you are now participating here.

  • Sabine: I always appreciate your comments and am with you regarding your feelings of “inconsolable sadness for the death of the biosphere”. Thank you for your posts—–they are helpful in ways that you may not even realize. Same goes to others who write from their hearts instead of their egos.

    Henry— love what you said above.

    I find the most value in posts here where there is respect for others and where ego is in check. Not a big fan of name calling or those that assert that they have THE answers——it seems counterproductive and feels painful to read such posts which usually leave me feeling sad (der) Maybe it’s time for antidepressants!

    Speaking of sad:

    http://onpoint.wbur.org/2015/02/09/homo-sapiens-neanderthals-evolution

    Tom Ashbrook:
    “Humans – homo sapiens – rule the world. For better or worse, some might say. My guest today looks at how that happened – why – and where we’re headed next. It’s us and not others, he says, because of our affinity for myth-making and stories. We buy into big ideas that bind us together and have given us power. Religion. Money. Nation states. Now that power may threaten the planet. But evolution isn’t over. Homo sapiens may be in their last few hundred years, he says. Ready to merge with machines. This hour On Point: historian Yuval Noah Harari on the rise and maybe end of us, homo sapiens.”

  • infanttyrone,

    Your self-deprecating humour is needed here, and the way you read between the lines. What a mature Mensch you are! Don’t stop commenting.

  • There must be days that bring out the comedian in people. At least three posters today made me laugh to the point of tears. Infantyrone, certainly, among the others. Thanks for that!

  • Man-made radiation is a quiet, relentless sinkhole of disaster, like a thief in the night, removing habitat from the Earth.

    http://enenews.com/tv-shellfish-disappearing-along-west-coast-turned-systemic-crisis-getting-pacific-oysters-scallops-next-impossible-recently-local-scallops-all-supply-gone-chef-getting-oysters-easy-problem

    TV: Shellfish disappearing along west coast, nobody knows why — Has become systemic crisis — Finding Pacific shellfish ‘next to impossible’ — Manager: “Recently there’s no local scallops at all, supply gone” — Chef: Began a few months ago, oyster farms flourishing for years all of a sudden had to shut down (VIDEOS)

    2015-02-07 – Unprecedented rash of 10 major fires in 9 days hits central Maine

    Quote: “…the recent central Maine run, in which at least 10 serious fires burned homes, barns or apartment complexes over nine days, is unprecedented and without a clear cause.”

    Quote: “‘I’ve never seen this many structure fires in such a short span,’ said Higgins, a 36-year firefighter. ‘And it’s not just us. We’ve had them all around us throughout the state.'”

    http://jumpingjackflashhypothesis.blogspot.com/

  • Bud Nye, here’s where I come from on your question. I don’t believe I’ve ever defended anyone who I felt was being verbally abusive on this page. I have definitely tolerated it without saying anything because first of all, I didn’t want to get sucked into a back-and-forth competition with someone I thought was capable of being quite nasty. Secondly, and more importantly, I find a lot of great information and ideas on this site and am willing to sift through the drek to get to it. There are certainly some people whose posts I just scroll past as I’ve gotten to know enough about them to know that they aren’t worth my time. There is a place to talk about NTHE without verbal abuse, and that is the facebook page NTHE Evidence and Support Group. I enjoy participating there and enjoy the feeling of safety there. However, I think there are a lot of participants here who have interesting things to say and would get kicked off the support group page because of their social inadequacies. I’m afraid that if we all started jumping on them every time we thought they were being mean here, they would just stop coming, and we would miss out on the good in their contributions. Just my two cents.

  • Dirges for humanity and its IndCiv, extinction foretold by artists decades back, 3 songs in a row from my Pandora just now:

    Procol Harum:

    “Conquistador there is no time, I must pay my respect
    And though I came to jeer at you
    I leave now with regret
    And as the gloom begins to fall
    I see there is no aureole
    Though you came with sword held high
    You did not conquer, only die.”

    Die, indeed.

    No Sugar Tonight — Guess Who

    ‘Cause it’s the new mother nature taking over
    It’s the new splendid lady come to call
    It’s the new mother nature taking over
    She’s gettin’ us all
    She’s gettin’ us all

    (I always heard and sang this line as :”And she’s killin’ us all.”)

    Followed by Pink Floyd, Wish you were here (or as Guy might title it “Born Into Captivity”:

    So, so you think you can tell
    Heaven from Hell,
    Blue sky’s from pain.
    Can you tell a green field
    From a cold steel rail?
    A smile from a veil?
    Do you think you can tell?

    And did they get you to trade
    Your heroes for ghosts?
    Hot ashes for trees?
    Hot air for a cool breeze?
    Cold comfort for change?
    And did you exchange
    A walk on part in the war
    For a lead role in a cage?

    =======

    Yes, the artists poke at the cage a bit, rattle their cups along the bars. Maybe we even have a message system through banging on the toilet pipes, as some do in prisons. But not much more. (Our elaborate “pipes” — words on websites — which impress us so much of late, get us nowhere that really counts. Humans don’t budge, before mass evacuations and starvations, and then it’s too late. Mother Nature, if identified at all, will be labeled the “terrorist”, rather than the victim fighting back.)

    The animals? If we had only immersed ourselves in the knowledge — wisdom — that we are animals, and that most of what we do is a pale derivative what those our cousins, near and distant, do each day of their entire lives.

    More Attenborough: “Living Together” — about species integrating their lives into co-survival. Amazing stuff!

  • my apologies for any temporary glitchiness noticed here while I’m working on the website.

    ~mo

  • Amy, Sabine, artleads,
    Thanks for the kind words…glad I could add a little levity for you three.

    Amy,
    Sorry, my alliterative module was a bit flaky when I wrote that about unicorns.
    Should have been Phlogiston Power Pellets from Purina.

    Robin Datta,
    Some time ago I recall that a comment of yours included info on how to post links to video clips without getting the Big Box effect.
    That is, when the comment posts, the link appears as a clickable item but does not display a picture.
    If you repost the info, I’d love to have the option of doing that.
    I suspect it eats into bandwidth or makes other trouble for mobile users.
    If you have me set on ‘Ignore’, maybe mo flow (Mo Phlo[giston] ?) or Guy could relay this to you. Thanks.

    mo flow,
    I have a friend in the Seattle area who might be able to help with some of the technical problems you have been working on.
    Not sure how consultation would work if you’re not in his area, but could connect you two and let y’all see if he could help.
    If interested, get my email from Guy and let’s do anything else off-site.
    If you’re curious as to how far back my friend goes in this game…”further back than Altair”.

    Bud Nye,

    Cows giving kerosene
    Kid can’t read at seventeen
    The words he knows are all obscene
    but it’s all right…

  • This time, maybe, they’re laughing at us.

    Never been to Australia, but as Spencer Wells has shown, about 50,000 years ago the first humans out of Africa, following the coastline that led them to Australia, left their identifying genes in South India in a Negroid race that are now called the Dravidians, to which belonged my mother and half of my genome. So the Australian aborigines are my umpteenth cousins – but for that matter, so are all Homo “whatever you label them” and even all living beings.

  • @Henry, Cmdr. Datta:

    Is that the very best, most excellent you can do?

    How about a little fusionScarecrow ¿

  • The basic structure of a simple hyperlink:

    LT a SP href EQ QU url QU GT title LT BS a GT

    Use this code to add a Link to a page

  • Satish,

    I read your interesting essay. Well done, thank you. Your use of the terms ‘major and minor roles’ brought to mind something I had heard a year ago.
    I’m going to quote a paragraph from it as a set-up and then post a clip that will hopefully crack up some of us and give us something to think about.
    It touches in a major way (the apology section, late in the clip) on some of the issues Wester and others have raised from time to time. It touches in a minor way (in the ‘filters’ section, earlier in the clip) on some of the back & forth between Bud Nye and some of us. Some won’t click the link, some will and won’t finish the clip. I’d appreciate it if anyone who takes issue with me for putting it up here does so after watching to the end. That said…

    Wester seems to prefer to sub-classify the mass of humanity into subsets and groupings and assign responsibility to some but not all 7.2 Billion human beings. Let’s explore this approach further because it stands to reason that if we can say it’s us humans, and not the polar bear or the Monarch butterfly that destroyed the living planet, we might as well dig in further and see who among us humans played a major role and who the minor, if at all. Some of us find this level of probing unnecessary, and even distasteful. It’s uncomfortable, to say the least, for it calls into question our own complicity. Chances are if you’re an Internet user, which you are, you are part of a group of humans that shares responsibility. Despite the feelings of unease and guilt, for some, spending time at this level of consciousness is extremely important. Before I go any further, let me admit that I personally include myself among those who shoulder the most blame. I will explore this more below and in future blog posts.

    I’m Whitey

    If it’s a clickable link and not a big box picture, all thanks to Dr. Datta.
    If it’s a big box, I’ll figure out what part of the HTTP I messed up on.

  • Bud, I’ve responded to some of your points earlier, but I don’t think it’s fair to ask anyone why they “support” someone or something if they are being silent. I myself don’t support verbal abuse, but if someone is being verbally abusive on the Internet, I think the BEST thing to do is to ignore them. I also have said freedom is important than a civil discourse and I’ll agree with the sentiment expressed above that I prefer brutal honesty to no honesty at all.

    I have been using the Internet since 1988—before the web. We had great freedom on USENET and also a lot of abusive stuff. You could just put someone in your killfile and all their comments would get ignored. This is what I’ve done with a few posters. As long as that ability is there (which it is in the forum) then I think that’s the best solution. If that ability isn’t available technically, it’s available mentally. I just ignore people who are abusive.

    I’ll ask you this: why don’t you correspond with posters whose style you like and ignore the rest. I’ll say this to everyone. We’re all grown ups here (presumably) and can muster the mental discipline needed to do this. I can literally ignore the text of a poster based on their username—no killfile or “ignore” option necessary. It’s easy to train yourself to do this. This I think is the best solution, given the benefits of freedom of unfettered postings. Free speech is also valuable. The whole censorship based on someone’s idea of what is good and bad is a slippery slope.

    When you seek to control the behaviour of others (even if it is bad behaviour), it is exercising power. Better if you can find a way to control your own behaviour in response to others. Over the Internet, no physical harm can be done. Free speech is valuable. Learn to ignore whatever offends you.

  • OK, one more practice run…doing this one without benefit of knowing whether the first attempt was successful…but hey, it’s not like bungee jumping or anything…worst case is you’ll see another big box pic.

    Special offer for all’a y’all Gravity’s Rainbow fans…you can now turn to page 339 for the New Turkic Alphabet section and meditate on “the act of naming”.

    Not only is the name important, pronunciation can be a life & death sort of thing

  • i already saw Lord Of The Flies when i was 10 years old.
    http://www.reddit.com/r/RenewableEnergy/comments/2tz0s7/how_to_fix_everything/

  • I’ve posted a guest essay, courtesy of Bud Nye. Catch it, and all the latest, here.