Edge of Extinction: This Time It’s Personal

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  • Guy,

    I sure feel glad that you appear okay and not to have suffered any long-term disability as a result of your pulmonary embolism!

    red fox,

    Ahh, no, I did NOT label oldgrowthforest “a racist” as you have stated. I wrote “Like you, oldgrowthforest, most nineteenth-century Europeans had simple, racist and/or nationalist answers to such differences.” Here I pointed to some apparently racist and nationalist THIKING and IDEAS: to reasoning that she sometimes seems to use. I pointed to the racist IMPLICATIONS of her arguments—but much more fundamentally and importantly than the implied racist thinking, to the “good” in-group/ “bad” out-group reasoning. I have also encouraged her to correct me where I may have misinterpreted or understood anything she has written. (And/or to correct herself if she now realizes that she wrote some things that she did not really mean to suggest.) If we understand and accept the extreme difficulty in communicating accurately with each other, none of us need feel any sense of embarrassment, guilt, or shame in making these corrections at the sending and/or receiving ends of the communication cycle (not one-way, linear chain).

    I feel sorry if you and others find any of this too difficult or too subtle a discrimination to make, or if you have difficulty understanding the important differences between arguing about ideas versus attacking people personally in your reading and reasoning about these interpersonal dynamics. I guess your comment regarding the Plains Indians means that THEY, presumably, fall into the out-group, “evil person” class, along with the whites, in comparison with the alleged “good people” group or groups that oldgrowthforest refers to? I wonder what she thinks about this. Especially since I don’t do much of this in-group/ out-group reasoning and valuing, I certainly do not presume to know or to understand her reasoning about this.

  • as I just mentioned Bud, this is pure bullshit. you cannot hide behind this passive aggressive, libelous behavior. there is no difference, NONE, in saying “you are a racist” and “your thinking and attitudes are the same as other’s racist thinking and attitudes”

    except you need to claim this difference to do your passive aggressive thing. total bullshit. everything about ogf’s argument is cultural. the fact that her argument in large part destroys your position does not mean you can try to save face by changing that reality.

  • ” Pulmonary embolism most commonly occurs when a deep vein thrombosis (DVT) breaks loose in the leg or pelvis and travels through the bloodstream to the lungs. Risk factors for DVT include periods of being immobile (such as during bedrest and long haul flights), chronic illnesses (such as lung cancer ) and surgery ”

    Prognosis ” Those who do survive the initial episode and who are able to receive appropriate treatment generally do well.”

    You have my full sympathy Guy, I’d be scared shirtless if that happened to me. Hopefully the blockage is only a small one. Modern medical science literally can do wonders nowadays! :-) Best wishes and love for a speedy recovery :-)

  • Best wishes and love, indeed, Guy. You are amazing!

    mo, thank you.

  • much love and best wishes to you, Guy!

  • Sounds like you dodged a bullet, Guy. So glad it wasn’t your time and you got medical help in a timely manner. Stick around and keep up the good fight!

  • Yo Guy! Glad you’re still around! Change what you have to in order to meet this new demand on your body: dietary changes, exercise a bit more often perhaps. whew!

  • You are THE case manager for our wobbling, dizzy, & sick planet.

    You are THE case manager for a gasping humanity on the skids by our own hands.

    Take care of yourself, get well, & stay with us.

    You are still young & vibrant.

    We need you now more than ever.

    Oh, …and quit blaming our complex troubles & lethal peril on “patriarchy.”

  • Guy, what do you think about this?


    Climate change may produce human mutations

    Climate change may produce human mutations that lead to higher rates of disease but may also have the potential for making mutants that are superior to the present human population. John H. Wilson with the Department of Molecular and Human Genetics at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, Texas identified the genes and the climate stresses that are most likely to change under climate change. The discovery was reported in the March 9, 2015, edition of the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. [it goes on]

    From the many lectures of yours that i’ve heard, it is more likely that we run out of habitat before any of this takes place, but i’ll leave it to you to deconstruct. Thanks as always for your knowledge and insight.

  • Glad you’re ok.
    Take care!

  • 1. South America inhabitation now as far back as 14,000 years. Land Bridge theory becoming increasingly considered pure bunkum.

    2. Mi’kmaq have a written alphabet, Hieroglyphs, along with Maya. So claims of ONLY ONE is bunkum.

    3. Indigenous North America maintained extensive game parks, kept through controlled fires, and observed and reported as late as Louis and Clark expedition. While the animals weren’t “domesticated” in the same ways of the ridiculous, authoritarian and over-controlling European domesticators (who apparently have some fetish about sleeping as close as possible to where their animals poop and defecate), they nevertheless could be categorized, at the very least, as more wisened and clever animal managers. If eventually one animal shows up where you are waiting, it saves you the trouble of endlessly feeding it and carrying it’s sht buckets.

    (here ends pattern in three parts of yada yada bullocks found in the midst of sweeping pronouncements about WHAT IS)

    4. Now it’s all about in-group out-group, and anyone who disagrees with the party diktat is now “being divisive”, and “engaging in…(wait-for-it) in-group/out-group tactics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

    5. So, when will it ever end here? Only When the whole dam planet agrees 110% with all the inchoate, barely substantiated, so often citation-free, ‘analysis’ proffed by the thin-skinned ‘ALL humans are crap’ brigade? Yeah. Then we won’t have any further problems with so-called in-group/out-group divisiveness. Works the same living under a fascist military diktatorship, which I am unfortunately living through right now.

    6. Single minded obsession with all-humans-are-crap as a cover for the uncomfortable situation that SOME humans are crap. Very serious crap. And, in fact, such crap that they already killed themselves and their own species and are now walking around in purgatory like a bunch of drooling zombies.

    7. Again – this, what passes for “analysis”, comes straight out of the Imperial Center (can I say whitey-ville?). And so often people in this place mistake their social and psychological pathologies for “a society”, “just like everybody else” – and – not twisted ravings from a predatory cult of omnicide lunatic asylum. And if that’s you, where you are sitting, you might ask why it is you’re coming up with these kinds of clearly, obviously self-serving, self-justifying claims, bereft of serious coherent substantiation or widespread acceptance outside tiny privileged sectors.

    8. RE White Guilt. Says James Baldwin, “If you still think you are white, there’s no hope for you.” Period. Ignore at your peril. Better to be guiltless, heartless and soulless about your predatory relationship to the world, eh genociders?

    9. Arguing the all humans are crap line is not just odiously self-serving, but I find the all humans are crap brigade to be just flat out cold. Like ice. Lacking in empathy, modesty or humility. Ever ready to point fingers, aggressively scold, make wild sweeping declarations, and impulsively and incoherently apply the verb “to be” to the worst self-interested rationalizations.

    10. But personally, I find these kinds of attitudes and projections grotesquely abhorrent and insulting. Especially the barely substantiated, self-righteous doggerel from the privileged – making final pronouncements about WHAT IS yammer, which MUST be accepted. Not just that, but seemingly endless claims that come across to me as bigoted, conceited, close minded and about as far from rigorous scholarship, rhetoric, or sound scientific methodology as I can fathom. Ideology and political orientation do not win arguments unless accompanied by violence.

    11. However, about this, I will not go around whining like an elementary student. If clowning, conning, acting superior or bullying is your schtick, then wear it. Be proud. After all, people should be able to say whatever they want. Because, unlike some pikers, I believe that those who may be listening can most probably make up their own minds about what is complete, total, unmitigated, insulting, narcissistic, supremacist, pig-brained BS and what is not.

    Thank you for your consideration.

  • The current evidence suggests that the most likely explanation for the extinction of the megafauna in Australia was the arrival of humans here over 60,000 years ago. Maybe there were compounding causes,as Satish states.Can we conclude that this is evidence that it is not possible for humans to live in ways that that have long -term sustainability?
    I don’t think so.I have mentioned here previously that the early European explorers unanimously provide evidence that the Australian environment was in robust good health,with seas, wetlands,every ecosystem brimming with abundant life,after over 50,000 years of human occupation.
    Why do so many choose to ignore that evidence?
    Industrial civilisation has systemic flaws that guarantee it cannot have long-term sustainability.Those systemic flaws did not exist under a hunter-gatherer system.

    Best wishes to you,Guy ,and I hope you are back to full health swiftly.

  • http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/weekly.html
    I just copied this from today’s Robt. Scribbler.

    Week beginning on March 1, 2015: 401.26 ppm
    Weekly value from 1 year ago: 398.09 ppm
    Weekly value from 10 years ago: 381.56 ppm

    Last 5 days of preliminary daily average CO2:
    March 10 – 403.43
    March 09 – 401.56
    March 08 – 401.74
    March 07 – 401.43
    March 06 – 401.66

    March 11, 2015

    What’s with the significant 24-hour jump?
    March 10 – 403.43
    March 09 – 401.56

    “preliminary daily average” Could it be an error, to be corrected later after further analysis?
    March 11, 2015

    The daily averages presented via ESRL/NOAA are preliminary analysis and are liable to change over the next couple of days as additional information is made available. That being said, if the reading of 403.43 stands the scrutiny of further investigation it would represent just a 4.51 PPM increase from where we were last year on March 10th. That’s simply mind boggling.
    / March 11, 2015

    Mind-boggling is apt. Stunning. Keeling Curve’s hit 403+ a few times on hourly readings, the past month. No daily average over 403 there yet.

  • I meant to type’ over 50,000 years ago’in line two of my comment.

  • Get well Doc and take time to take care of yourself!


  • Wishing you well and good health!

  • Glad to see you well enough to post and even find some humor in such a stressful situation. Take care.

  • Dear Guy,

    I wish you speedy recovery and return to good health. :-)

  • I’d advise not to fly again for about 2 years but to get grounded on earth and stronger some gentle hiking would help until he’s given a 100% all clear. Earth’s healing powers will heal him.

  • Guy,

    Since we all know of the healing power of ice cream, here’s a therapeutic recipe for your upcoming down time…

    Background: Ben & Jerry’s has a flavor called Cherries Garcia…aimed squarely at the Deadhead market segment.

    But, shouldn’t there be a flavor for folks who aren’t Deadheads??

    1) We’ll start by designating the new market segment as un-Dead-heads.

    2) Into a batch of a tropical-flavored ice cream such as mango, pineapple, or perhaps coconut, fold crumbled-up Italian almond biscuit-cookies, and…

    3) Voila ! ZOMBISCOTTI (preferred dessert of the un-Dead everywhere)

    Hey, Claire…anything new on the dessert trolley ?

  • Bud the Science Guy-

    Give ’em Hell, Bud. Thanks for having the courage to call out the NBL junta. You have earned my respect and admiration. Stay strong, stay true to your beliefs, and most importantly don’t let the nattering nabobs of negativism bring you down.

    My fine son, Gerhard, questioned my sanity for engaging in worthless debate with people who salivate with glee at the prospect of the end of all life. If they cared, they would do something to make a positive difference as opposed to serving as an endless echo chamber for beliefs that conform to their world view.

    I say farewell to you and the other good people I have known thanks to NBL.

  • And we will all go together when we go.
    What a comforting fact that is to know.
    Universal bereavement,
    An inspiring achievement,
    Yes, we all will go together when we go.

    Tom Lehrer – We Will All Go Together When We Go

    Guy, hang in there until we all go together when we go!

  • Good thing the PE wasn’t a big one. Have seen them die in a few minutes. The best way to ward it off in the future is to avoid lower extremity immobilisation: constantly repeated movements back & forth at the joints, in the ankle, foot and hip.

    NBL podcast in browser:

    NBL podcast feed for podcast client software:

    Some folks think that their formal professional education and training put them head and shoulders above all the rest; all the rest amount to no more than savage ignoramuses. This thinking can move down so deep that the person is no longer aware of it; yet their reptilian brain directs their intellect to rationalise and promote whatever other stuff the intellect acquired in the course of its training and education.

  • GUY – LIVE live LIVE (till we all go together) YOUR going to love Europe. Healing love energy to you. I fly all over in the window seat. Just drink lot’s of water & be sure to flex the neck & shoulders when your awake.

    Live for the big show. We have a horror parade of Geo-engineering projects awaiting release. 2 trillion in our Dept of Energy budget goes right back to oil research. Take care of yourself to see how right you are long before the Methane ppm gets deadly. Still no help on ideas how to deal with multi-nuclear reactors during a regional scale impact. Pretty good safety plans for each plant — but not much concern for how to deal with several meltdowns happening at once.

    SATISH -“EARTHLINGS”- is that karma cooking? Hot summers have already raised cooling pond temps. chain reaction. Anyone beyond Greenpeace care to give us any resistance, even register a complaint call at the DoE. Not caring = voting for us to go ahead with any atmospheric project Haliburton, Exxon & Shell are ready to co-fund.

    Silence = acceptance. Big corps are manufacturing the chemicals and pushing the EPA for approval. So far only about .03 percent of the public is writing and calling for us to delay the projects. Maybe Guy & I are the only ones serious about the rapid side of effects of reflective particles. Gonna be hard to scrub the skies after we approve release. Repeating the iron ore carbon soaking test in the seas again next month. It’s no secret on gvt program lists. Freedom of information act. Cool that The NBL group never responds. That just leaves us a hand full of voters against ecosystem alterations at World Wildlife & a few other foundations. THANKS

  • Regarding Guy’s often repeated mantra that “Only love remains” I have copied below four paragraphs from early in the book Hold Me Tight, Your Guide to the Most Successful Approach to Building Loving Relationships by Dr. Sue Johnson (2008, see reviews here: https://www.amazon.com/Hold-Me-Tight-Conversations-Lifetime/product-reviews/031611300X/ref=sr_1_1_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1):

    First, regarding attachment theory: “Clues to love’s true purpose have been circulating for a long time. Back in 1760, a Spanish bishop writing to his superiors in Rome noted that children in foundling homes, though they were sheltered and fed, regularly ‘die from sadness.’ In the 1930s and 1940s, in the hall of American hospitals, orphan children, deprived only of touch and emotional contact, died in droves. Psychiatrists also began identifying children who were physically healthy but who seemed indifferent, callous, and unable to relate to others. David Levy, reporting his observations in a 1937 article in the American Journal of Psychiatry, attributed such youngsters’ behavior to ‘emotional starvation’. In the 1940s American analyst Rene Spitz coined the term ‘failure to thrive’ for children separated from their parents and caught in debilitating grief. ”

    “It is, then, imperative that we comprehend what love is, how to make it, and how to make it last. Thankfully, during the past two decades, an exciting and revolutionary new understanding of love has been emerging.”

    “We now know that love is, in actuality, the pinnacle of evolution, the most compelling survival mechanism of the human species. Not because it induces us to mate and reproduce. We do manage to mate without love! But because love drives us to bond emotionally with a precious few others who offer us safe haven from the storms of life. Love is our bulwark, designed to provide emotional protection so we can cope with the ups and downs of existence.”

    “This drive to emotionally attach—to find someone to whom we can turn and say ‘Hold me tight’—is wired into our genes and our bodies. It is as basic to life, health, and happiness as the drives for food, shelter, and sex. We need emotional attachments with a few irreplaceable others to be physically and mentally healthy—to survive.”

    Part of a later sentence: “…the quality of the connection to loved ones and early emotional deprivation is key to the development of personality and to an individual’s habitual way of connecting with others.”

    It seems to me that in the few years(?) we have remaining while in hospice we would best learn, or re-learn, how most effectively to love. Related to this, and as a way to construct perhaps the most rewarding meaning possible for ourselves in these final days, in my opinion anyone with any interest at all in doing this through the unfolding nearly certain near term human extinction will find this an essential book to read.

  • I guess, per oldgrowthforest’s and other’s knowledge and reasoning (she states that she “knows for a fact why Native Americans did not domesticate animals….”), early humans presumably did not domesticate dogs either, thus enslaving them and using them mainly as pack animals, sled haulers, for hunting assistance, and as a food source? And, unlike today, the early humans supposedly did not suffer from any negative health effects related to dogs? Presumably, only the evil European whiteys could have done any of that, with no similar contributions by any of the many Indian cultures that inhabited Siberia, Northern Canada, and Alaska? Regarding this, note: “The domestic dog (Canis lupus familiaris or Canis familiaris), based on nuclear DNA evidence as of January 2014, began from a single domestication 11 to 16 thousand years ago that predates the rise of agriculture and implies that the earliest dogs arose along with hunter-gatherers and not agriculturists.” See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog for one reference. (Or does this just amount to more lies by whiteys?) The “we’re the ‘good guy’ in-group while they are the ‘bad guy’ out-group” reasoning keeps running into these self-contradictory problems. I fail to see how someone vaguely claiming this as a “cultural” argument, as some people do, neutralizes the contradictory and profoundly socially negative implications of this and other similar in-group/ out-group thinking and values.

    mo flo,

    You really, strongly and persistently wish to turn this into a personal fight, don’t you? Sorry. I won’t bite those attractively baited, emotional hooks. I won’t go off onto those emotionally distracting tangents as you seem to wish. This discussion has nothing to do with either oldgrowthforest or me personally. It has everything to do with evidence and reasoning about that evidence, including the behavioral violence and warfare that so often occur as a consequence of psychosocial in-group/ out-group thinking, values, and emotions, which a number of people who comment here clearly and vocally advocate. With a classic scapegoating dynamic, a number of commenters here wish naively and way over-simplistically to attribute our self-annihilation trap to a supposed especially evil out-group of European white guys. In this process, oldgrowthforest usually supports and applauds these people, if indeed not leading the pack. I, and many other people, disagree with this view. The causes of our horrific predicament prove much broader and more complex than that, going much further back into our history on Earth. I repeat: I will gladly accept and fully integrate any feedback that oldgrowthforest might wish to give me to correct anything she has written and/or any misunderstandings that I may have of anything she has written.

  • All the very best to you Dr McPherson. I hope you are able and well enough to still visit Britain. Wishing you a speedy recovery.

  • Mr Nye, your attempts at word gymnastics are becoming ever more amusing.
    Mo Flow has responded more than adequately to your response with regard to the racism slur.

    Secondly, the way you have interpreted the small quote re the Plains people says it all really. The dualism is your invention, not mine. In group/out group wont cut it. The point being made, since you have difficulty comprehending it, is that the people who comprised the Plains people, in modern parlance, were a refugee people. Their culture and families had been all but annihilated. They represent a POST contact people-desperate and rebuilding one would think.

  • @ red fox

    You state:

    “…The point being made, since you have difficulty comprehending it, is that the people who comprised the Plains people, in modern parlance, were a refugee people. Their culture and families had been all but annihilated. They represent a POST contact people…”

    Are absolutely sure about that?

    How aware are you, that your statement only applies to certain Plain tribes, and far from all of them?

    Take the Pawnee for example. They were indigenous to the plains, and they took to horses exactly like every other human before them, for more or less the same reason.

    Do you think they recognized that the horse could be very useful?

    Was it a moral failing on “their” part in augmenting/reinventing their past traditions in lieu of this newly discovered advantage?

    And if they’re not guilty of utilizing the massive net energy gain provided by horses, I’m curious as to who you might think is, given the introduction to the horse had proceeded the Pawnee by some 5000 years across central Asia right through Europe.

    And if you think no one can be considered guilty of making use of just this advantage, I’m curious as to how you draw a line between the use of horses and say………well, every advantage ever taken by anyone?

  • http://www.desdemonadespair.net/2015/03/rates-of-change-in-earths-surface.html

    Rates of change in Earth’s surface temperature unprecedented for at least the past 1,000 years – ‘There’s not going to be anything close to equilibrium’


    According to a new paper published Monday in Nature Climate Change, it’s about to get a whole lot hotter – that’s the projected trend after looking at the weather over 40-year periods. While the fact that next century may bring us temperatures over the two degree Celsius mark (that’s 33.5 degrees Fahrenheit) sounds alarming enough, imagine a milennium of record temperatures, that could bring about the detriment of human survival.

    According to the latest research, the Arctic, along with North America and Europe will be among the first regions on Earth whose climates will significantly reshape – with wet areas becoming much wetter and dry areas desiccating further. Therefore, it is imperative that policy makers and researchers begin planning for adaptations to this new environment. [more]


    Why fresh water shortages will cause the next great global crisis – ‘For us, water is now more important than oil’


    Water is the driving force of all nature, Leonardo da Vinci claimed. Unfortunately for our planet, supplies are now running dry – at an alarming rate. The world’s population continues to soar but that rise in numbers has not been matched by an accompanying increase in supplies of fresh water.

    The consequences are proving to be profound. Across the globe, reports reveal huge areas in crisis today as reservoirs and aquifers dry up. More than a billion individuals – one in seven people on the planet – now lack access to safe drinking water. [read the rest]

  • News In Two Minutes – Low Dose Cancer – Weapons Massing – Solar Flaring – Survival Preparedness

    listen up:

    The announcer’s next to the last statement says that researchers in Denmark are backing up claims that climate change is cyclical in nature and is not dependent on mankind.

    How can that possibly be the case when humanity has CLEARLY upset the chemical balance of the atmosphere (and continues to do so)? Overpopulation, resource(s)depletion and the creation BY HUMANITY of man-made radioactivity (and spreading it around the globe for decades), and wide-spread PLASTIC pollution (among others) has NO effect on this cyclic phenomena?

    i’m a bit suspicious about that statement of his. Anyone else want to weigh in?

  • Guy,
    But I was just hanging out with you last week…
    My point is time is short and always was. As you say, “we should spend the time we have pursuing a life of excellence and sharing moments with the ones we love”. Please forgive my paraphrasing. Anyway, I’m grateful that you are alright and I will be sending positive vibes for a speedy recovery so that we can have more good times sharing moments. Be well.

  • best wishes Guy, great work, good stuff

    I am going to argue with myself with open sneers and scathing attacks.

    When you said “i took asshole out of context” i didn’t mean you. – Rob ‘)

    Thank you Guy for all you’re help. I am at peace with life and death.

    The Goldilocks zones in all the galactic solar systems in all the universe is rare and beautiful. Zillions of stars are mostly in super deadly energy zones. The combination of earth’s moon and super giant planets makes earth-like conditions exceedingly exceptional. We may well be alone in this one single universe with no possibility of life after death. Science and Religion make the facts fit the narrative as well as any politician. We were well on our way to mass extinction even without climate change. But, you know all this.

    Money makes the world go round. The first war of Gilgamesh may not have been fought for money, but the second one was, as soon as minerals became coins. Money is now on computers, and if there is one thing computer networks can’t do, it’s to keep a secret. Yet financial secrecy is our territorial claim on power. Territoriality is a species reproductive function. Money should be an open source public resource for all of humanity under one currency based on carbon energy emissions. The introduction of such a world currency will diminish national currency wars and allow humanity to re-carbon and re-wild crop and pasture lands. I know we will not do it in time because the rich imagine only the survival of the mighty and few. Our strength is our failure. That’s why some are timid and some bold. Sometimes the bold chick fatally leaves the nest too early and sometimes to its success, and vice versa. I don’t think we are the intellectual end result of evolution. I think we are a nearly failed nascent expression of what evolution really is. Anyhow, don’t keep bored.

    All the best dude.

  • @Guy

    Shit happens. Wishing you a speedy recovery on the road to physical wellness.

  • Guy, here’s wishing you a full recovery. Right Now!

  • Robert Callaghan,

    Best quote ever: ” Science and Religion make the facts fit the narrative as well as any politician.”

    Take that people!

  • Shep, I vehemently disagree with your quote above.

    It is false concerning science.

    It is routinely true about lawyering & peeyar.

    Science, by definition, makes every effort NOT to make the facts fit the narrative – science, as an ideal, always tries to make the narrative fit the facts.

    If more pols were scientists instead of obfuscating lawyers there would be less verbal flapdoodle.

    Lawyers are trained in flapdoodle & fitting facts to narratives.

  • Guy,

    I want to join Mark and Satish in saying LIVE, LIVE, LIVE until we all go together, wherever we happen to find ourselves.

    I can’t wait until I meet you in London on April 25. So take good care of yourself – until the end – that’s what I’ll be doing, and exercise your legs really well during all your flights. Do it for yourself and for everybody who likes, loves and respects you. There are more of us than you might think.

  • @ Tom Says:
    March 12th, 2015 at 4:04 am

    The announcer’s next to the last statement says that researchers in Denmark are backing up claims that climate change is cyclical in nature and is not dependent on mankind.

    i’m a bit suspicious about that statement of his. Anyone else want to weigh in?

    First, I found it amusing that there is no link for their source regarding that statement on their primary website. Well, isn’t that convenient? (Can you “hear” Dana Carvey?)

    Searching for the university and appropriate terms results in some truly laughable, ahem, stories. Just another attempt to trot out a tired old trope. But, hey, let’s give’em an “E” for effort!! :))

  • Infanttyrone,

    A proposal: since you are very much the traveler, and the end is in sight, why not circus paint up a VW van of old and travel the country documenting people of the Nature Bats Last persuasion. We could even visit oldgrowthforest all the way up in Palin’s compound. What a blast! (Great ongoing bucket list item)

    On your post RE: Aliens, to mo and me: waaay to complicated and lengthy for my A.D.D. self (but veeery interesting stuff).

    Keep digging on the Wm. Burroughs tech glitch – that would be a potential winner in the race for most shameful whitey.

    Luv your prodding with music, but for my taste anyway, Garcia is too slow. I need pick me ups. I remember drooling waiting to obtain a cd that Cherry Garcia had done with the mando frizzy haired great David Grisman. Oh, it was painfully slow. Such dissappointment. Sorry. BUT, hey, we cud rotate cd’s on the road.

    Whatcha think?

    Here’s a sample of what I call damn good pickin’.

    Please note especially 6:30 – 6:50 and the last 30 seconds of applause!!

  • Best wishes, Guy, be well!

    New and alarming one from Scribbler, who is usually quite restrained. Not that the Tonys and landbeyonds will notice:
    Entering the Middle Miocene — CO2 Likely to Hit 404 Parts Per Million by May, 3/11/15.

  • To all the none seer I got to meet [see] Guy in Nevada City Californy! He looked good a little pale but better then his recent video. We did’t get to talk much, so many wanted to hug his or handshake, it was way super kool! I did get to tell his a joke I saw the night before in the hotel, from a movie called “Tin Man”,I think it goes,The Dr. tells the patient, I have bad news and some worse news, give me the bad news first, Ok you might have 24 hours to live, Oh wow and worse, I forgot to give you a call yesterday! So the moral it is better to know than not to know, I think. Best to the Prof. and all the folks that help his, it was beyond acceptance,hope and love to Meet You’all and better to be a seer. see ya when we see ya would want to a ostrich [the ones they draw in cartoons with there head buryed up]

  • Dear Guy,
    When you have to fly, take off your shoes and pull your knees up to your chest, feet on the seat – a sort of yoga move. Massage the calf muscles. If that’s not possible, pull up one leg at a time. Sitting is fatal …. in so many ways.
    Be well, healthy, and happy. Best wishes to you, and, as Sabine says, lets all go together when we go:

    Bud Nye- like I mentioned above, sitting (and endlessly typing) is fatal. Get a life while there’s still time.
    For instance, wild honeybees have colonized the wood duck house here (yea!), and I found my first American shrew mole!

  • shep,

    OK, that was sure some good ‘n’ fast playin’.
    Here’s Cherry G. with his coffee & moonshine group…not as fast as TRUnit,
    but not exactly sitting on their hands.
    There’s plenty more Old & In The Way on YT, BTW.
    Don’t want to post a 3rd clip due to ‘moderation’ waiting time, but if you really want to ‘put on the Dawg’, go to YT and search “Grapelli Grisman”.
    Pretty sure they did an album (remember them?) together around 1980 or so.
    Grapelli’s cred (in case someone’s deaf or new in town from Mars) goes back to Django Rinehardt in the 1930s.

    Garcia on a fairly peppy banjo.

    Your idea of the old VW bus is fun…I sent Guy an email saying if he can’t fly & Amtrak doesn’t go where he needs to be, then maybe we should resurrect Kesey’s old school bus & get to his gigs the old fashioned way. We’d have to extend Kesey’s name for the bus (Further) to suit the message (my thought is “Further, but not much”). My idea was to stop at lots of ice cream places and do a travel guide to (some of) America’s independent ice cream shoppes. But, hey, why not visit some of the folks advertising in NBL’s classified section as the itinerary permits, or other Doom-oriented people along the travel path?
    I wish Guy would expand his bandwidth w.r.t. frozen desserts, though.
    What would be whooshier than going through the legal, posted-80-MPH parts of I-10 in West Texas in some sort of multipassenger rig emblazoned with the motto “Apopsicle-lypse Express” ? Oh well, I guess “Helados Apocalypticos” wouldn’t be so bad…

    When the meandering jet stream chills yer tootsies.

  • Dr. McPherson,

    Glad you are that Guy McPherson!

    He got game!

  • @ Guy, sorry to hear about the ONE diagnosis, I sincerely hope you’ve been astute enough to get at least a second opinion. (Note, the word “opinion” can not EVER be stressed strongly enough in this regard!) YOU, of all people, should realize that the VAST majority of alleged doctors, especially those commenting in this space with abject nonsense, are in it exclusively for the money and self-aggrandizement. Personally, I wish you nothing but the best, you deserve, more than most, to be witness to the horrors that are forthcoming. Nonetheless, as Mark Mothersbaugh et.al. has sung…

    eenie, meenie,, meenie, minie, minie, mo
    the lucky ones will be the first to go

  • Guy
    I think your body is trying to tell you something. Take some time off. Focus on your health. The “world” will be here when you get back… Probably. Maybe. :)

  • This comment is for those interested in animal behaviour.
    Actually,it’s partly about snakes and partly about the human brain.
    In the forest here,we occasionally see taipans,which are generally regarded as Australia’s most dangerous snake.Bites are usually fatal if an antivenom cannot he injected fairly quickly,and in the breeding season they can be aggressive ,and move quickly.
    When I walk in the forest,if I see a snake a few metres away,I stop to observe what species it is ,and proceed accordingly.If I am only a metre away before seeing it,the immediate reaction is to take a few steps back.
    When in the forest,I will sometimes stand still for two or three minutes,looking up into the trees ,observing the birds.I was doing this one day,and then when I looked down,a two metre taipan was slowly moving along,and it’s head was on my boot.The interesting observation to me now is how the brain reacted,as it realized that the best strategy in that situation was to remain still.The taipan no doubt scented the boot and turned back and then circled around about two metres away,then continued on it’s way,while I remained still.

  • Dr. McPherson

    So glad you are yet with us and doing as well as can be expected.

    Your work is greatly appreciated as we live in a country with so little truth told to the masses.

    Every voice of truth count and your voice, I believe, may be helping many see the truth concerning the rough days ahead for the world.



    I respect Dr. Beckwith work also as far as facts and truth but mankind will not engineer themselves out of this mess.

    Man is mighty but they are not God.

  • infanttyrone,

    don’t want to bore the other classmates but i cannot pass this up. grappelli and django are my favorites with a whole bunch of others – tks for the lead to grisman and grappelli – this is sensational – absolutely fantastic. when i go to heaven i want to be just like these peoples, yes peoples. i think i have one more post.

  • TOM & COLIN – Since I work for the gvt here is a little help from the NSA data base:

    TWO MINUTE NEWS & SUSPICIOUS OBSERVERS are supported by a legal firm in Columbus Ohio. The Firm – main clients are Coal & Copper mining.

    Koch legal advisor: BEN DAVIDSON in Columbus OHIO is very involved in slick disinformation. They do everything to carefully broadcast that climate change as natural. They even tell kids that breathing carbon is not dangerous. No man-made chemicals are dangerous. Those same corporations are huge supporters of our Energy Dept so I can’t do much but if people care about the dis-info you could hound them in comments on you tube SUSPICIOUS OBSERVERS.

    They have a big SUSPICIOUS group that believes Guy is nuts and has no support. They are very vocal with a million followers who are DENIERS. They have political impact because they take action trying to disprove everything people care about here. Not enough NBL opposition. PLEASE give em hell..Google Ben Davidson. His main logo is “No Fear” about dumping pollution everywhere.

  • Daniel said:

    “Do you think they recognized that the horse could be very useful?

    Was it a moral failing on “their” part in augmenting/reinventing their past traditions in lieu of this newly discovered advantage?

    And if they’re not guilty of utilizing the massive net energy gain provided by horses, I’m curious as to who you might think is, given the introduction to the horse had proceeded the Pawnee by some 5000 years across central Asia right through Europe.

    And if you think no one can be considered guilty of making use of just this advantage, I’m curious as to how you draw a line between the use of horses and say………well, every advantage ever taken by anyone?”



    Major amounts of cultural projection going on here. There are cultures that think in terms of advantages and there are cultures that don’t. The dominant culture today is clearly one of the former ones. Some of the older native cultures (most, in fact, and saying that would be met with with vehement objections from some here who claim to have figured out human nature) think in terms of lifting up all boats as they go along, not throwing people overboard and stealing their boats, which is what taking advantage would look like. Look at how Native Americans welcomed newly arriving Europeans with open arms and fed them and kept them warm. Hardly an example of “taking advantage”.

    A culture that forgets to think long term might take advantage of other species and resources in its habitat. And that’s like taking a few planks of wood off our house every winter and burning them to keep warm, not realizing that in the long term, the house will come down on us. That’s pretty much what the dominant culture has done with planet Earth. Didn’t take too long either. Taking advantage seems like a quick and easy way to get what we want, but it always comes back to us. We took advantage of cheap fuel and it is coming back to us. We took advantage of nuclear energy and it came back to us in Fukushima. There’s no way around it. The fact that’s lost on us is that we can not only survive but even thrive and flourish without taking advantage of anything or anyone. Yes, we wouldn’t have had computers but who cares? I’d be sitting in front of you and we’d be talking about the 404 kinds of bird song, not 404 ppm of CO2. Oh, but, birds and bird songs are so boring! Let’s play some Grand Theft Auto into oblivion!

    Thinking in terms of advantages and “net energy gains” belies a worldview that looks at creation as made up of distinct and separate pieces that have little to do with each other other than consume and oppress “the other”. Survival of the fittest is so old school.

    Native peoples have much respect for their ancestors because it is only because their ancestors were careful with their choices that the present generation is even around. And they are likewise careful with their choices so future generations will be around. They don’t think in terms of short-term advantages.

  • @ Marc Austin Says:
    March 12th, 2015 at 6:03 pm

    Thank you, I’ll look into the sources you’ve cited… tomorrow. At this juncture, I believe I’ve consumed too much vodka to be able to tell up from down! Nonetheless, at a more opportune time I will investigate further. In the interim, can/will you (i.e. are you “able”) to elaborate the capacity of your “employment” with the “govt.”? Any clarification will be greatly appreciated. (Note, as of this moment it is 21:34 ET.)

  • -Satish M

    Another good post. You made me giggle. I like the part about playing “Grand Theft Auto into oblivion.” That was pretty amusing.

    You are so on point in your analysis of the problem with the American culture as a whole.

    So much human hubris, greed and materialism to go with all of that you mentioned. Of course it is no longer just an American mind-set but it is global now, at this point in history.

    But what most Americans fail to understand and are unwilling to admit as a honest basic truth is that America was the greatest exporter of this type of materialism.

    Beside how the Europeans took over the “New World and all the human atrocities committed in doing so,” Look at what they did to Hawaii, just annexed it. Look at what they did to Japan: sent military ships and threaten war if Japan did not open up to trade with them. And that is just a few out of a long list of forced capitalism upon the world, thus our country is seeped and buried in materialism and unfortunately, a mental and spiritual emptiness as well. Also lacking cognitive understanding of what is true and real and about to happen to the earth’s weather system.





    Thanks for the SHOUT OUT. To be loved, to be loved, o what a feeling to be loved. (Eddie Murphy movie)

  • Hi Guy McPherson. I really appreciate you and am shocked to see you saying you had a serious life and death situation just recently. Please don’t push yourself as we really do need you to stay healthy. I say we as I am sure that others feel the same way. I just discovered you and your message has made a real impact in my life. The veil has lifted even more. Have you ever read the book Ishmael? Please look it up. It’s by Daniel Quinn. Maybe you just need to rest and read and listen to the birds for awhile. :) Sincerely, Teresa.

  • Thanks for your comment, Teresa. I’m familiar with Daniel Quinn’s work and I’ve read several of his books, including Ishmail.

  • Colin,

    Mark implies that he’s muzzled working for government. So I’d agree that asking him for specifics about his work is not advisable.


    I really liked your last several comments. Shep beat me to it, but I Love You too! I’m glad to see we have a shared understanding of how things are. Thank you for the kind feedback. And glad you liked the Aliens sign :)

  • Guy, yes I particularly like the analogy of that Ishmael gives re the plane with wings and flying. The pilot thinks he is doing great because he is in the air and what he invented is working. He fails to see that he is not paying attention to the laws of aerodynamics and doesn’t realize it’s not working until he realizes he is almost at ground level and is about to crash.

  • Marc: i responded in the comments column that day about a citation for the source of his claim – but my comment was removed! Ha-haaa!

    There’s so much deception now that it’s very hard to glean the truth from all the bullshit being disseminated.

    Another echo from the past that i hope continues until the truth is out:


    The 9/11 Commission Didn’t Believe the Government … So Why Should We?


    9/11 Commissioners Admit They Never Got the Full Story

    The 9/11 Commissioners publicly expressed anger at cover ups and obstructions of justice by the government into a real 9/11 investigation:

    9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton says “I don’t believe for a minute we got everything right”, that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, and that the 9/11 debate should continue

    The 9/11 Commission chair said the Commission was “set up to fail”

    The Commission’s co-chairs said that the CIA (and likely the White House) “obstructed our investigation”

    9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that “There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn’t have access . . . .”

    9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said “We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting”

    9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: “It is a national scandal”; “This investigation is now compromised”; and “One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up”. When asked in 2009 if he thought there should be another 9/11 commission, Cleland responded: “There should be about fifteen 9/11 commissions”

  • Daniel Says:
    March 12th, 2015 at 3:11 am
    @ red fox

    You state:

    “…The point being made, since you have difficulty comprehending it, is that the people who comprised the Plains people, in modern parlance, were a refugee people. Their culture and families had been all but annihilated. They represent a POST contact people…”

    Are absolutely sure about that?

    How aware are you, that your statement only applies to certain Plain tribes, and far from all of them?

    Take the Pawnee for example. They were indigenous to the plains, and they took to horses exactly like every other human before them, for more or less the same reason.

    Do you think they recognized that the horse could be very useful?

    Was it a moral failing on “their” part in augmenting/reinventing their past traditions in lieu of this newly discovered advantage?

    And if they’re not guilty of utilizing the massive net energy gain provided by horses, I’m curious as to who you might think is, given the introduction to the horse had proceeded the Pawnee by some 5000 years across central Asia right through Europe.

    And if you think no one can be considered guilty of making use of just this advantage, I’m curious as to how you draw a line between the use of horses and say………well, every advantage ever taken by anyone?

    Daniel, no, i’m not “absolutely sure about that”. The whole reason was to offer a different view and perspective to counter the endless disparegement of certain other cultures which is said to be backed up by “evidence” and “rational” reasoning etc etc.
    I find that it is a constant need to reiterate that certain pronouncements are opinion and interpretation and are not necessarily fact. The Plains Indians are often cited as an example of how “bad” natives of America were and I was highlighting that this was a particularly irrelevant example because, as Farb says in his book, they were a post-apocalyptic culture so not representative.

    As for morality, I have no reason to impose a moral judgement on a culture that I know little about that existed in the past and whose history is far from written in stone.

  • Here are a few related articles regarding summer temps and the broken jet stream [picked up from comments on Robert Scribbler’s latest essay – also a good read]


    The scary idea that won’t go away: Global warming messing with the jet stream and your weather


    Summer Heat Waves May be Linked to Arctic Warming

    Also, if anyone cares, Mr. Scribbler will be on a radio broadcast on the 19th of March on KPFA Berkeley Free Public Radio, 2PM, Pacific Standard Time [hat tip eleggua], might be worth a listen.

  • I’ve posted the latest essay from Alton C. Thompson at the top of the page. Read it, and more, here.

  • @ Red fox and Satish

    Reading both of your responses, I’m left with the impression that neither of you have any idea as to who or what you’re responding to. You both seem either terribly biased or uninformed. I also question both of your reading comprehension skills, given you both seem to be creating straw men out of whole cloth in which to argue against.

    This seems to be a pattern with the ‘blame gang’ here at NBL.

    Red fox,

    Please name names as to who you think is disparaging Native American culture, given I don’t believe anyone here has ever even come close to doing so, outside of pointing out rather unsavory tendencies within general human behavior as a whole.


    So you’re telling me that Native Americans use of horses is somehow a cultural projection on my part?

    They did, or they didn’t. They did so for a reason, or not. It’s not all that difficult to discern their motives.

    You’re telling me that Plain Indian tribes hadn’t long harnessed dogs to tow their travois, because they didn’t recognize the concept of ‘advantage’, whereby they replaced dogs with horses around mid 17th century, and that this was done for some other reason, other than there being an ‘advantage’ in doing so?

    Are you both going to now attempt to tell me that Martin Luther King was actually a red headed Irish woman, because if you did, you would make no less sense.

    Technology spread around the world or it didn’t. It arose in certain areas long before it did in others, or it didn’t.

    The bow and arrow is more efficient in piecing the skin of animals than a spear, which is why it replaced the spear as a primary weapon, and the rifle even better than the arrow. A hunter can better follow and hunt buffalo on horseback than foot regardless of skin color.

    If your enemy has superior weapons than you, you will eventually loose. So went the Native Americans, the same way most of Asia and Europe had………thousands of years before them.

    You both seem to be blinded by some sense of moral indignation which is clouding your judgement. Offense taken where none was given is more a reflection of your own personal biases. Please pay a little more attention to what is actually being written instead of just reacting to perceived boogiemen.