ARCHIVED: Presentation in Queens

Nasty weather precluded my appearance in Queens. But I tuned in via Skype and Pauline Schneider recorded the event via livestream. I interacted with Roy Scranton and a small audience. Each of my comments was met with uncomfortable silence. The poster below describes the event, and the livestream result is archived here.

Woodbine poster March 1 2015
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Catch Nature Bats Last on the radio with Mike Sliwa and Guy McPherson. Tune in every Tuesday at 8:00 p.m. Eastern time, or catch up in the archives here. If you prefer the iTunes version, including the option to subscribe, you can click here.

Last week’s show featured a conversation between McPherson and his two hosts on the current tour. David Petraitis lives in New York City, and Pauline Schneider lives in Westchester County, New York. It’s archived here.

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Abrupt Climate Change: How Will You Show Up During Humanity’s Final Chapter?

4-16 March, Northern California Tour organized by Peter Melton: 530-680-5550,
Peter.Melton3@gmail.com. Additional venues may be added.

11-12 March 2015, Veterans Hall, 415 North Pine Street, Nevada City, California, presentation and workshop titled, “Abrupt Climate Change: How Will You Show Up During Humanity’s Final Chapter?” Follow on Facebook here.

11 March: 6:30 – 8:30 p.m. presentation and public discussion
11 March: 8:30 – 10:00 p.m. workshop part I
12 March: 9:00 a.m. – 3:00 p.m. workshop part II

13-14 March 2015, Chico Peace and Justice Center, 526 Broadway, Chico, California, presentation and workshop titled, “Abrupt Climate Change: How Will You Show Up During Humanity’s Final Chapter?” Follow on Facebook here.

13 March 13: 6:30 – 8:30 p.m. presentation and public discussion
13 March: 8:30 – 10:00 p.m. workshop part I
14 March: 9:00 a.m. – 3:00 p.m. workshop part II

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22 March – 3 April Boston, Massachusetts. Details to follow.

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6-30 April 2015, western Europe (additional details forthcoming, and follow the tour at guymcpherson.net and also on Facebook)

25 April 2015, 6:00 p.m., Conway Hall, 25 Red Lion Square, London, “Climate Awareness Seminar”

European tour spring 2015

McPherson’s latest book is co-authored by Carolyn Baker. Extinction Dialogs: How to Live with Death in Mind is available. Electronic copy is available here from Amazon.

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  • Survivable IPCC projections based on science fiction – reality is far worse

    We are consistently outside the worse-case projections from IPCC 2007.
    In 13 years, we will “lock in” a 6°C earth temp rise because of this.
    We will hit 2°C by 2050 which by itself will cause 15°C rise in 1,000 years, and 75 feet sea level rise, yet we are hurtling far beyond that point.
    The earth can and has risen 3°C per decade, especially once the decadal oscillations end their troughs and resume rising.
    We are already at peak food, water, fertilizer, energy, peace & prosperity.
    We are racing towards world-wide, unstoppable, irreversible, cascading species collapse in 30-40 years.
    Against this back-drop, the U.S. has been at war for 222 years out of 239 years since 1776. The U.S. has killed 5 million civilians since 1945. We now literally burn women and children alive by remote control with hellfire missiles. Watch this video, and learn what complete and utter bullshit you are being spoon fed.

  • In the precedent thread, there is the personal story of a birth among over 7 billion. We all would love to tell our stories, and we all would like that as many other beings as possible listen to us. Because we do not really exist if no one hears and recognize our stories. In fact, telling what happened is maybe/probably more important than living it. I have the proof of this everytime I take the public transportation, and hearing this retelling of the most trivial (and less trivial) facts over and over and over and over, endlessly.

    We viscerally need (most of us really) to be heard and seen. We (most of us) only exist in the eyes of the others.

    But we are too many and the meeting around the fire at night is over. And texting is not about telling stories but only throwing bits and pieces of nonsense. I do not do it but I know.

    from an estimate of 2 to 20 millions humans on earth in 8000 BC, and from an estimate of 8 billion humans having lived on earth since the beginning of this species, we are now

    1820: 1 billion; 1850: 1.2 billion; 1900: 1.6 billion; 1950: 2.5 billion; 1990: 5.3 billion!!!; 2000: 6 billion; 2015 over 7 billion

    Someone’s story will not be told, ever.

    Also agree there is a need for “emotional support” (it seems so little to face the tsunami), but there is none here and more books, and more TED talks, and more youtube videos will not do it.

  • http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-01/which-new-world-order-are-we-talking-about

    Submitted by Jeff Thomas of International Man

    Which New World Order Are We Talking About?

    Those of us who are libertarians have a tendency to speak frequently of “the New World Order.” When doing so, we tend to be a bit unclear as to what the New World Order is. Is it a cabal of the heads of the world’s governments, or just the heads of Western governments? Certainly bankers are included somewhere in the mix, but is it just the heads of the Federal Reserve and the IMF, or does it also include the heads of JPMorgan, Goldman Sachs, etc.? And how about the Rothschilds? And the Bundesbank—surely, they’re in there, too?

    And the list goes on, without apparent end.

    Certainly, all of the above entities have objectives to increase their own power and profit in the world, but to what degree do they act in concert? Although many prominent individuals, world leaders included, have proclaimed that a New World Order is their ultimate objective, the details of who’s in and who’s out are fuzzy. Just as fuzzy is a list of details as to the collective objectives of these disparate individuals and groups.

    So, whilst most libertarians acknowledge “the New World Order,” it’s rare that any two libertarians can agree on exactly what it is or who it’s comprised of. We allow ourselves the luxury of referring to it without being certain of its details, because, “It’s a secret society,” as evidenced by the Bilderberg Group, which meets annually but has no formal agenda and publishes no minutes. We excuse ourselves for having only a vague perception of it, although we readily accept that it’s the most powerful group in the world.

    This is particularly true of Americans, as Americans often imagine that the New World Order is an American construct, created by a fascist elite of US bankers and political leaders. The New World Order may be better understood by Europeans, as, actually, it’s very much a European concept—one that’s been around for quite a long time.

    It may be said to have had its beginnings in ancient Rome. As Rome became an empire, its various emperors found that conquered lands did not automatically remain conquered. They needed to be managed—a costly and tedious undertaking. Management was far from uniform, as the Gauls could not be managed in the same manner as the Egyptians, who in turn, could not be managed like the Mesopotamians.

    After the fall of Rome, Europe was in many ways a shambles for centuries, but the idea of “managing” Europe was revived with the Peace of Westphalia in 1648. The peace brought an end to the Thirty Years’ War (1618-1648) in the Holy Roman Empire and the Eighty Years’ War (1568-1648) between Spain and the Dutch Republic. It brought together the Holy Roman Empire, The House of Habsburg, the Kingdoms of Spain and France, the Dutch Republic, and the Swedish Empire.

    Boundaries were set, treaties were signed, and a general set of assumptions as to the autonomy within one’s borders were agreed, to the partial satisfaction of all and to the complete satisfaction of no one… Sound familiar?

    Later, Mayer Rothschild made his name (and his fortune) by becoming the financier to the military adventures of the German Government. He then sent his sons out to England, Austria, France, and Italy to do the same—to create a New World Order of sorts, under the control of his family through national debt to his banks. (Deep Throat was right when he said, “Follow the Money.”)

    So, the concept of a New World Order has long existed in Europe in various guises, but what does this tell us about the present and, more important, the future?

    In our own time, we have seen presidents and prime ministers come and go, whilst their most prominent advisors, such as Henry Kissinger and Zbigniew Brzezinski, continue from one administration to the next, remaining advisors for decades. Such men are often seen as the voices of reason that may be the guiding force that brings about a New World Order once and for all.

    Mister Brzezinski has written in his books that order in Europe depends upon a balance with Russia, which must be created through the control of Ukraine by the West. He has stated repeatedly that it’s critical for this to be done through diplomacy, that warfare would be a disaster. Yet, he has also supported the US in creating a coup in Ukraine. When Russia became angered at the takeover, he openly supported American aggression in Ukraine, whilst warning that Russian retaliation must not be tolerated.

    Henry Kissinger, who has literally written volumes on his “pursuit of world peace” has, when down in the trenches, also displayed a far more aggressive personality, such as his angry recommendation to US President Gerald Ford to “smash Cuba” when Fidel Castro’s military aid to Angola threatened to ruin Mr. Kissinger’s plans to control Africa.

    Whilst the most “enlightened” New World Order advisors may believe that they are working on the “Big Picture,” when it comes down to brass tacks, they clearly demonstrate the same tendency as the more aggressive world leaders, and reveal that, ultimately, they seek to dominate. They may initially recommend diplomacy but resort to force if the other side does not cave to “reason” quickly.

    If we stand back and observe this drama from a distance, what we see is a theory of balance between the nations of Europe (and, by extension, the whole world)—a balance based upon intergovernmental agreements, allowing for centralised power and control.

    This theory might actually be possible if all the countries of the world were identical in every way, and the goals of all concerned were also identical. But this never has been and can never be the case. Every world leader and every country will differ in its needs and objectives. Therefore, each may tentatively agree to common conditions, as they have going back to the Peace of Westphalia, yet, even before the ink has dried, each state will already be planning to gain an edge on the others.

    In 1914, Europe had (once again) become a tangle of aspirations of the various powers—a time bomb, awaiting only a minor incident to set it off. That minor incident occurred when a Serbian national assassinated an Austrian crown prince. Within a month, Europe exploded into World War. As Kissinger himself has observed in his writings, “[T]hey all contributed to it, oblivious to the fact that they were dismantling an international order.”

    Since 1648, for every Richelieu that has sought to create a New World Order through diplomacy, there has been a Napoleon who has taken a militaristic approach, assuring that the New World Order applecart will repeatedly be upset by those who are prone to aggression. Further, even those who seek to operate through diplomacy ultimately will seek aggressive means when diplomatic means are not succeeding.

    A true world order is unlikely. What may occur in its stead would be repeated attempts by sovereign states to form alliances for their mutual benefit, followed by treachery, one- upmanship, and ultimately, aggression. And very possibly a new World War.

    But of one thing we can be certain: Tension at present is as great as it was in 1914. We are awaiting only a minor incident to set off dramatically increased international aggression. With all the talk that’s presently about as to a New World Order, what I believe will occur instead will be a repeat of history.

    If this belief is correct, much of the world will decline into not only external warfare, but internal control. Those nations that are now ramping up into police states are most at risk, as the intent is already clearly present. All that’s needed is a greater excuse to increase internal controls. Each of us, unless we favour being engulfed by such controls, might be advised to internationalise ourselves—to diversify ourselves so that, if push comes to shove, we’re able to get ourselves and our families out of harm’s way.

  • @ Tom, thanks!
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    Rhymes with Opium

    People are losing their hopium:
    They just sit around and mopium;
    Unable to copium,
    The end of their ropium
    Is near, ‘cause with doom, hope’s no soapium.
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    Dr. Seuss

    I don’t like when the heat is too hot;
    I don’t like that I cannot do squat.
    Do I like too much heat
    When I cannot do sheet?
    I don’t like it too hot. I do not!

  • This comment is about the prior video on 2/27/2015:

    I noticed two things that stood out to me about the crowd, both presented very typically by humans.

    The first was the longing for a savior (the wish for change without personal action). There was some of talk about AI, and how just if “we” could create it, it would serve us, and save us, ironically despite being much smarter than us.

    That leads to the second observation, that of the hubris of the common human. Make an ultra intelligent AI, to serve us? That doesnt seem, at least to me, what the logical conclusion of creating a sentient ultra intelligent AI would be. Only in the mind of the common human, laden with unjustifiable hubris, could such an outcome even be considered possible, let alone be expected.

    When Guy responded to one of those people towards the end, and basically said “its not about you”, the silence spoke loudly. There was no response, just quiet as surely most of the crowd was just shocked and left mentally reeling from the blasphemy just spoken so irreverently.

    “Not about me? But everything is about me. How dare he.”

    All those people, trying to think how to get out of it… how to avoid their inevitable demise, but more so crushed by evidence that their legacies, no matter how small, will not persist. Their subconscious fragile dreams of a kind of pseudo physical immortality, dashed upon the hard rocks of evidence.

    Humans, eh? They will scheme and plot, and above all… hope… that the inevitable will not come for them… that they and their spawn are the exception, or that whatever idea they have deified and call their god, will show them the mercy it has been holding back their entire lives at the last second.

    Humanity was doomed the moment it collectively adopted the paradigm of separation; that it was not nature, and nature was not it. It adopted the personality and behavior of a cancer, and likewise accepted, perhaps unwittingly but no less binding, the immutable destiny of all cancers. That is, its own self-destruction by its own hand.

    I tell people not to worry, though. I tell them that it will be over soon, and that our fate is sealed. Theres nothing left to do (to change humanities outcome). There will be no miracle, because there are no miracles, in the sense of external intervention whether divine or alien, which is what it would take at this point.

    I say make your peace with death. Whatever you believe comes after doesnt matter. We will all see with certainty soon anyway.

    But no one ever does.

    No one even tries.

    All cling to the old irredeemable thoughts and ways. Trying to change another is a fools errand. Change never comes from without, only from within, and the desire to change oneself seems to be a very rare desire indeed.

  • @ Into Destiny Says:
    March 1st, 2015 at 2:15 pm

    Humanity was doomed the moment it collectively adopted the paradigm of separation; that it was not nature, and nature was not it.

    Indeed, for far too long and for far too many it has been “Man against nature,” a losing battle from the get-go. It has become abundantly clear, at least to me, that Guy is somewhat in error with the title of this blog-site. Nature not only bats last, it batted first and is always swinging away at home base. Its side never retires!! (I wish I could conjure something better than an analogy to an utterly crappy game.)

    Otherwise, I find your observations and conclusions in total agreement with my own.

  • DOOMER HOPIUM

    Here is some hopium for you:
    This idea that there’s stuff you can do
    That will help save some species
    From becoming feces.
    (It just helps folks feel less blue.)

  • I’m posting this again, not to dispute Mr. Callaghan, but in support of him. I don’t think that the barbarity the U.S. has shown the rest of the world since it’s earliest days can be overestimated. Personally, I think that to support American foreign policy or it’s economic policies of exploitation puts a Black Mark on one’s character that makes that particular life a total failure.

    http://www.sott.net/article/273517-Study-US-regime-has-killed-20-30-million-people-since-World-War-Two

  • Good talk Guy.

    Guy did not get nearly enough time to speak, though.

    I think they were all scared to ask him questions… he wouldnt have given them the answer they wanted… and they knew it.

  • @ ed: Outstanding!
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    Dick and Jane Visit the Nuclear Reactor

    Dick and Jane go. Fun fun fun.
    Look look look. We see the sun.
    See two suns. Oh oh.
    Oh oh. Go go go.
    Run Dick and Jane. Run run run.

  • THIS is IT! This IS the End Of The World (as you know it!)

  • I LOVE HOW GUY COVERED THE COMPUTER LOGOS, IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE LESS CORPORATE LOGOS.

  • This video was posted earlier, but has never left12 my thoughts.

    The Fuse is Blown – The Antarctic is falling apart – NASA scientist Eric Rignot – January 2015

    Others seem to agree with me. Here is a detailed discussion of the ice shelf mechanisms that Rignot is so concerned about.

    The Most Terrifying Papers I Read Last Year
    http://climatesight.org/2015/01/16/the-most-terrifying-papers-i-read-last-year/

  • Here’s What We Do
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    We kill and enslave people and animals for food and pleasure.
    Our crop lands and pastures killed off 80% of species gone extinct.
    We poison soil life, land life, water life and air life for money.
    Bees and butterflies are dropping like flies
    Just 3 neonic seeds will kill a bird.
    We don’t care because
    we kill, poison, destroy and enslave for money.
    It only seems fitting we eat bar codes for food.
    Here’s why,

    Since 1776 America has been at war 222 years out of 239.
    Killed 5 million civilians since 1945.
    We burn women and children alive with hellfire drones.
    We let women and children live always wondering if they are next.
    Imagine if they were doing that to our women and children.

    We kill and enslave people to destroy earth to make money,
    while our own 8 year olds watch video screens 8 hours per day.
    Thousands die in China’s mines every year to make those screens.
    2 million kids in the Congo were killed to mine minerals for those screens.
    Millions of Asia’s youth slave in factory gulags to make those screens.
    China has poisoned its air, crop lands and waterways to make those screens.

    Here’s what we see on Food Frack TV

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    CIA Insider Breaks Silence on Global Currency Wars
    By MONEY MORNING STAFF REPORTS

    2.9KEmail
    Should the rise of conflicts across the Middle East and Ukraine serve as a warning sign that something much more dangerous is approaching?

    According to Jim Rickards, the CIA’s Asymmetric Warfare Advisor, the answer is yes.

    In a startling interview he reveals that all 16 U.S. Intelligence Agencies have begun to prepare for World War III.

    Making matters worse, his colleagues believe it could begin within the next 6 months.

  • Thanks for the link Kirk,
    p.s. – I worship beaver.

  • Overuse of fertilizers killed 70% of aquatic river species in 40 years and will lead to irreversible and irreplaceable loss of fertilizers in 20 years, exactly when we have to produce more food than we have for 500 years while we already passed peak wheat, rice, soy and maize in 2008. It is so ridiculously untalked about it makes the 600 pound gorilla and elephant in the room seem like a silent deafening. Just imagine it’s the blood flowing through your ears.

    In the last 500 years humans grew 677 excals of food.
    In the next 40 years, we need 770 excals of food.
    One minute from super-exponential-aladocious.
    http://www.csiro.au/Portals/Multimedia/On-the-record/Sustainable-Agriculture-Feeding-the-World.aspx

  • Robert Callahan: Overuse of fertilizers killed 70% of aquatic river species in 40 years and will lead to irreversible and irreplaceable loss of fertilizers in 20 years, exactly when we have to produce more food than we have for 500 years while we already passed peak wheat, rice, soy and maize in 2008. It is so ridiculously untalked about it makes the 600 pound gorilla and elephant in the room seem like a silent deafening. Just imagine it’s the blood flowing through your ears.

    In the last 500 years humans grew 677 excals of food.
    In the next 40 years, we need 770 excals of food.
    One minute from super-exponential-aladocious.

    >>>

    That’s just what happens when you worship beaver.

  • Some thoughts concerning attachment and its relationship to NTHE:

    Attachment occurs as an innate and primary motivating force with all healthy humans. This means that seeking and maintaining contact with significant others proves essential for human beings across the life span. In attachment theory, we see sustained connection as a survival imperative produced by the process of evolution. Dependency, which our culture unfortunately often interprets as some kind of pathology, occurs as an innate part of existing as a human. It does not occur as a childhood trait that we need to outgrow. Secure dependence occurs as a sign of health and complements autonomy and self-confidence, which we can best see as two sides of the same coin, not as dichotomies. The more securely connected we become with significant others, including Earth’s biosphere and other species, the more separate and different we can become. In this model, health means maintaining a sense of interdependency as opposed to “self-sufficiency”—and this certainly holds true regarding our dependency on the biosphere.

    Contact with attachment figures occurs as an innate survival mechanism, and attachment offers a safe haven. In these processes the presence of one or more positive attachment figures provides comfort and security while a perceived inaccessibility of secure attachment figures creates distress. Thus, nearness to a loved one serves as a natural antidote to anxiety and vulnerability. This seems especially relevant when we consider the high probability of near term human extinction. When relationships, including our relationships with Earth, offer a sense of security, people can reach out to others and deal with conflict and stress in positive ways, and these relationships tend to have more stability and feel more satisfying.

    The building blocks of secure bonds include emotional accessibility and responsiveness. Meanwhile, we can have an attachment figure physically present while they remain emotionally absent. (Unfortunately, this happens with the relationship between most rich Americans today and the biosphere. It seems that most people experience little or no emotional connection with the biosphere that produced them and supports them. ) Emotional engagement, and trust in the presence of this engagement when needed, proves crucial. Our strongest emotions arise in attachment relationships and emotions seem to have the most impact in them. Emotions tell us our motivations and needs as well as communicating these to others. They serve as the music in the attachment dance.

    Fear and uncertainty (certainly activated by the prospect of NTHE!) activate attachment needs. When traumatic events, the negative aspects of everyday life, such as illness, or any assault on the security of attachment bonds threaten a person, powerful emotions arise. These experiences activate compelling needs for comfort and connection and activate attachment behaviors, such as seeking the closeness of an attachment figure. A sense of connection with one or more loved ones serves as a primary inbuilt emotional regulation device in humans, just as in chimpanzees, gorillas, and numerous other animals. This suggests the importance of support groups during this final phase of human existence on Earth.

    The process of separation distress occurs in predictable ways. If attachment behaviors, such as making a request for attention and reassurance, fail to produce comforting responsiveness and contact from attachment figures, a typical process of angry protest, clinging, depression, and despair occurs. This will end, eventually, in detachment from the relationship. Depression occurs as a natural response to a loss of connection. In secure relationships, we recognize and accept protest when inaccessibility occurs, and we see separation distress as the underlying plot in the drama of distress in significant relationships.

  • “Overuse of fertilizers killed 70% of aquatic river species in 40 years and will lead to irreversible and irreplaceable loss of fertilizers in 20 years, exactly when we have to produce more food than we have for 500 years while we already passed peak wheat, rice, soy and maize in 2008.”

    “In the last 500 years humans grew 677 excals of food.
    In the next 40 years, we need 770 excals of food.”

    And since we also have passed peak species die off and peak human population, we’d need to produce those “770 excels of food” while being much gentler on the planet than hunter gatherers were.

  • Liebe Sabine,

    Verzeihen Sie bitte meiner späten Antwort auf Ihren reizenden Kommentar, aber ich reiste nach Kolumbien als Sie Ihre Mitteilung sandten. Nun da ich Haus bin, wünschte ich um sicher zu sein und danke Ihnen. Es ist eine Ehre und ein Vergnügen, Ihre Freundschaft zu teilen. Ich entschuldige mich für mein weit von perfekten Deutschen.

    Hochachtungsvoll,

    F. Friedrich Kling Hauss

  • Mrs Cleaver knew that Mr Cleaver, played by Hugh Beaumont, hated BEAVER because she said; “You were real hard on the beaver last night.”

    What else could she mean, hey?

    Yabut, some literary types dispute this interpretation of beaver – not that it matters much since we are all soon to be dead from abrupt methane release or mad dog police protecting themselves from serendipitous grab ass, mental preverts, & sundry other indiscretions, etc.

    Memba, Mr Kean tracer of lost persons on da radio?

    “WATCH OUT MIKE – HE’S GOT A GUN!”

  • Bud Baby, have you investigated the velcro attachment theory much, maybe?

  • Bud –

    good stuff! so, a question for you based on these quotes from your comment, and some follow up thoughts:

    “Attachment occurs as an innate and primary motivating force with all healthy humans.”

    “The more securely connected we become with significant others, including Earth’s biosphere and other species, the more separate and different we can become.”

    “Our strongest emotions arise in attachment relationships and emotions seem to have the most impact in them.”

    if this is all the case, it seems like the “music” of our ongoing attachment dance with a healthy biosphere would have been critically important, all along, for humans.

    so where and how did this music get silenced enough to be overridden, in relationship to a healthy biosphere? Or “including Earth’s biosphere and other species” as you mention?

    clearly it would be evident to humans, at any point, if they were doing great or lasting harm to the biosphere. if this harm provoked a negative emotional response, it seems humans would have *felt* that, and changed their behavior accordingly.

    so either:

    – humans did *not* actually feel an emotional attachment to a healthy biosphere.

    – humans felt this attachment, and felt the emotional pain of destructive behavior being wrought on the biosphere, and they couldn’t find a way to “re-attach” (if that is the right idea) with healthy behavior again.

    – or some key piece of the puzzle is missing in this, with the idea of how attachment theory relates to humans and the biosphere.

    so, if attachment is “innate and primary” as you say, where or how did human attachment to a healthy biosphere go “off the rails” here? what do you think?

  • @Bud: Some thoughts concerning attachment and its relationship to NTHE:

    Attachment occurs as an innate and primary motivating force with all healthy humans. This means that seeking and maintaining contact with significant others proves essential for human beings across the life span.

    >>>

    Nope. Sorry. That’s just factually wrong, Bud.

    You have this tendency to speak in unchecked generalizations, when a plethora of facts contradicting your positions is as readily available as a penny on the ground.

    You just have to deign to bend down and pick it up.

    Earlier example: You’re insistence, in the fact of plenty of contradictory examples from Wester, Mo Flow, and others – that ALL human beings were “fucking nuts” and incapable of living together in any sort of cooperative human arrangement.

    As they pointed out to you, with example after example, you’re confusing the idea of ALL with the idea of SOME, or MANY, or MOST.

    Here it’s the same mental error once again. Study up on Buddhism, or the solitaries and mystics across the world’s various spiritual traditions.

    IF you have an open mind (and in your case that is a very big IF, I would say) you’ll discern quickly that many of them viewed ATTACHMENT to anything and everything (including other people) as the enemy of true mental health.

    That’s not to say they were all friendless – not at all. But friendship – or attachments if you prefer – were desert for folks such as Shakyamuni Buddha – and never dinner. In fact, Shakyamuni taught, making attachments to anybody into dinner pretty much guarantees that you will experience suffering – and his mission, in his own words, was to teach the world about suffering and the end of suffering.

    How do we come to the end of suffering? The Buddha would say it is by eliminating all your attachments, so you can live just as happily alone as with others – just as happily with nothing as with many things – and so on.

    The message of Christ, and Lao Tzu, and countless others, is the same message, just couched in different language to fit the time and culture in which it was delivered.

    I get the sense that for you, and for many here, this is an entire undiscovered country. There’s no shame in that. We all have vast areas of ignorance – and even more, ignorance about our ignorance.

    That’s what made old Socrates such a gangster. He had the humility to say, “I know that I don’t know”.

    So I have to ask, and not just of Bud: What makes that so hard to do? Why do people have to pretend to themselves or others to possess a certainty that they obviously do not have.

    It ends up looking like an emperor’s new clothes deal, which is, of course, when the hoi polloi start pointing fingers and making fun. They’re not making fun of the fact that your jiggly bits are flappin’ in the breeze. They’re making fun of the fact that you think you’ve got ’em safely tucked away beneath some exquisite finery and everything is under your control.

    That’s why I think that one of the dumbest things doomers can do is make dated predictions. What a losing game that is! All it does is undermine and ultimately destroy your credibility among those who are both open minded AND skeptical – which is exactly the way we should all be, all the time.

    So Bud, if you want to add some reading to the reading you’ve got, spend some time digging into the philosophical perspective of the Buddha, and see if you can get a handle on his thoughts about attachment, rather than yours and the psychologist types you have clearly made your meat and potatoes for so long.

  • Cannot lie. I have been spooked for the past few days. Ever since I got the word about negative feedbacks being a pipe dream, and then the fireballs over Florida. It is just like Mark Lynas talked about in 6 Degrees. And now another last night over Thailand: http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/general/487666/strange-white-light-in-bangkok-sky

    My paranoia is starting to ramp up with videos and “sightings” like this – of what to me prefigure the endless rain of random hypersonic methane fireballs. They said it was a rogue chemical reflection off of a satellite. Ya? Doesn’t look like that to me. Not even close.

    When the methane rain of fire starts to come, surely it will be greeted and interpreted as “sightings” of comets, asteroids, meteors, shooting stars and UFOs.

  • “Attachment occurs as an innate and primary motivating force with all healthy humans.”

    Attachment is innate to the mind- body complex. Such as an attachement to air ever since our lungfish ancestors clambered ashore.

    “Secure dependence occurs as a sign of health and complements autonomy and self-confidence, which we can best see as two sides of the same coin, not as dichotomies.”

    Dependence is a part of the interconnectedness of all things within spacetime.

    “Fear and uncertainty (certainly activated by the prospect of NTHE!) activate attachment needs.”

    Only for the mind-body complex, wcich is insentient.

    “When traumatic events, the negative aspects of everyday life, such as illness, or any assault on the security of attachment bonds threaten a person, powerful emotions arise.”

    These are ripples on the surface of the water in the bucket that distort the reflected image of the sun. The sunshine is not in the least bit affected.

  • This is the text copied directly from the Buddhist book at the vegetarian restaurant on 51st Street in Phnom Penh, Cambodia. I hope it may be of some interest or at least thought provoking. Am personally not Buddhist but was many years a fan-boy and accomplice. I still do have many criticisms of Buddha-ism, starting with most of the people who claim to be it, aren’t actually practicing it.

    The Noble Eightfold Path
    1. Right Understanding (Samma Ditthi)
    2. Right Thought (Samma Sankappa)
    3. Right Speech (Samma Vaca)
    4. Right Action (Samma Kammanta)
    5. Right Livelihood (Samma Ajiva)
    6. Right Effort (Samma Vayama)
    7. Right Mindfulness (Samma Sati)
    8. Right Concentration (Samma Samadhi)

    These 8 items are divided into three areas
    (a) Ethical Conduct (Sila)
    (b) Mental Discipline (Samadhi)
    (c) Wisdom (Panna)

    Ethical Conduct (Sila) –
    The conception of universal love and compassion for all living beings – on which the Buddha’s teaching is based. For the good of the many, out of compassion for the world (bahujanahitaya bahujanasakhaya lokanukamaya)

    Ethical conduct involves
    Right Speech
    Right Action
    Right Livelihood

    Right Speech =
    1. Abstention from telling lies.
    2. Abstention from backbiting slander and talk that may bring about hatred, enmity, disunity and disharmony among individuals or groups.
    3. Abstention from harsh, rude, impolite, malicious, abusive language.
    4. Abstention from idle useless foolish babble and gossip. When abstaining from these 4, one must speak the truth and use words that are friendly, benevolent, pleasant, gentle, meaningful and useful. If one cannot say something useful, one should keep noble silence.

    Right Action – Aims at promoting moral, honorable and peaceful conduct.
    1. Abstain from destroying life.
    2. Abstain from stealing.
    3. Abstain from dishonest dealings.
    4. Abstain from illegitimate sex.
    5. Try to help others to lead a peaceful and honorable life.

    Right Livelihood – abstaining from making a living through a profession that brings harm to others, such as:
    1. Trading in arms or lethal weapons
    2. Intoxicating drinks and poisons
    3. Killing animals
    4. Cheating

    Right Speech, Right Action, Right Livelihood – these three factors constitute Ethical Conduct which aims at promoting happy and harmonious life both for the individual and for society. This moral conduct is considered as the indispensable foundation, for all higher spiritual development is not possible without this moral basis.
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    The remaining elements of the Noble Eightfold path:
    Mental Discipline
    Right Effort
    Right Mindfulness
    Right Concentration

    Right Effort is the energetic will
    1. to prevent evil and unwholesome states of mind from arising
    2. to get rid of such evil and unwholesome states that have already arisen
    3. to produce and to cause to arise good and wholesome states of mind not yet arisen
    4. to develop and bring to perfection good and wholesome states of mind that are already present

    Right Mindfulness is to be diligently aware, mindful and attentive with regard to
    1. Activities of the Body (Kaya)
    2. Sensations or Feelings (Vedana)
    3. Activities of the mind (Citta)
    4. Ideas, Thoughts, Conceptions and Things (dharma)
    A. Breathing and Meditation
    B. How feelings and sensations appear and disappear within
    C. One should be aware whether one’s mind is lustful, given to hatred, deluded, distracted, etc…
    D. Know the nature of thoughts and conceptions, how they appear and disappear. How they are developed and how they are destroyed.

    Right Concentration – leading to the 4 stages of Dyana (recueillement or recollection)
    1st The first stage of Dhyana – Passionate desires and certain unwholesome thoughts like lust, ill-will, languor, worry, restlessness and skeptical doubt are discarded – and feelings of
    joy and happiness are maintained.
    2nd – All intellectual activities are suppressed. Tranquility and one-pointedness of mind are developed, joy and happiness are retained
    3rd – Joy also disappears and happiness and mindfulness remains
    4th – All sensation; joy, sorrow, happiness and unhappiness disappear. Equanimity and Awareness remain.

    Wisdom
    Right Thought = thoughts of selfless renunciation or detachment and thoughts of love and non-violence are extended to all beings. Thoughts of selfish desire, ill-will, hatred and violence are the result of lack of wisdom – in all spheres of life whether individual social or political.

    Right Understanding (samma ditthi) is the understanding of things as they are. This is the wisdom that sees ultimate reality. Reduced ultimately to understanding of the 4 Noble Truths.

    Mental penetration (pativedha) is seeing things in their true nature, without name and label. This penetration is possible only when the mind is free from all impurity and is fully developed.
    ________

    It should be understood that this path is not religious. It has nothing to do with belief, prayer, worship or ceremony.

    The 4 Noble Truths
    1. Dukka – The nature of life is suffering. Understand it clearly and completely. (parinneyya)
    2. The Origin of Dukka is Desire or Thirst accompanied by all other passions, defilements and impurities. Understanding is not sufficient. Our function is to discard, eliminate and destroy it. (pahatabba)
    3. Cessation of Dukka – Nirvana – The Absolute Truth / The Ultimate Reality. Our function is to realize it. (sacchikatabba)
    4. Realize Nirvana – Knowledge of the Path is not enough. Follow it and Keep to it. (bhavetabba)

    Appendix – Heart Sutra
    Old Master, you have forgotten the one about eye, ear, nose, tongue, body. Those of us who have left the family should see no fault with our eyes, hear no sound with our ears, should smell no smell with our noses, should taste no taste with our tongues. Our bodies should have no knowledge of heat or cold, and our minds should gather no vain thoughts. This is called the extermination of the 6 robbers.

    But look at you now…Though you may be on your way to seek
    scriptures, the mind is full of vain thoughts. Fearing the demons, you are unwilling to risk your life. Desiring food, you arouse your tongue. Loving fragrance and sweetness, you provoke your nose. Listening to sounds, you disturb your ears. Looking at things and events, you fix your eyes. You have, in sum, assembled all the 6 robbers together. How could you possibly get to the Western Heaven to see Buddha?
    – The Monkey King, “Journey to the West” by Wu Ch’eng En

  • “Philosophy isn’t worth a hoot unless it’s practical.”

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  • I don’t see any problem with attachment- it’s an effect-it doesn’t cause anything.
    When the mind feels attachment is a problem then it will often try to cultivate it’s opposite -detachment- which can bring more unhappiness.

    None of these things are a fundamental problem in and of themselves.
    My invitation is to look directly for yourself AT yourself- then all of this will reveal itself and you will laugh – not with gallows humour but with the laughter of relief that you were never at stake in any of this.

    I remember hearing a talk with Chogyam Trungpa years ago at the start of which he said (and I paraphrase) : if there is any among you here this evening that have no previous spiritual understanding then I strongly advise you to leave immediately!

    (Don’t go there)

  • The things most important to experience are not in words. If anyone thinks there is such a thing as official consistent “Buddhism” they are deluded.