Edge of Extinction: Science Catches Up with Reality

I am paraphrasing, of course. Actual quotes can be found in the source documents.

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  • We are in the Sixth Mass Extinction some scientists who were lagging behind now assert.

    Also they now say the human species will be one of if not the first species to go. – (Paraphrasing Guy)

  • The ice extent this year was below 2012 record loss until a few days ago.

    It is now above the 2012 extent, but it may still take first place (see “UPDATES” @ The Question Is: How Much Acceleration Is Involved In SLR – 7?).

  • Nice to see we’re up and running again, after multiple attempts this morning lead to “page not found” warnings. [way ta go Mo!]

    It’s supposed to reach 95 degrees (F) with high humidity here in SE PA. Late this afternoon we’re under severe thunderstorm warning today with strong possibility of high winds. There’s a low probability for hail and the formation of tornados. If I don’t appear on-line for a while you’ll know power is out (or worse).

    It’s only a matter of time now before each of us faces some threat to our existence. Don’t be afraid. This cycle has been going on for a long time and the “other side” is akin to “where (or who) were you before you were born?”

  • Tom ~ yes, great we are back! once again, though, all credit here goes to the others behind the scenes, our hard working Doomer Server Support, RE and Harry, and others who are coming on board. (I literally had nothing to do with fixing any of this, I am totally on the moderation side of things, and fixing things with WordPress, comments, etc).

    ~ mo

    (Harry, my apologies for getting your name wrong there).

  • Ok, THANKS TO RE and the gang!

  • HUNDREDS of raging wildfires from California to Alaska, & it’s only mid June.

    Here comes hell-on-earth pushed even more by a strengthening El Nino.

    Guy predicts a good chance for an ice free Arctic by September.

    Then comes the high probability of a just a slight but abrupt methane release – even a miniscule 2 Gt delivers us into a more gruesome hell-on-earth.

    Mix in the probability of just 2 Gt of methane release from permafrost melting, it could get very hot & very ugly very quickly.

    Just five Gt (ONLY FIVE)of methane release & prompt human extinction.


    This is it – the summer of no return – our irreversible end.


  • .
    So, The Solution is for 90% of Earth’s people to die, soon. But, before they go, they must help us dismantle the toxic infrastructure of industrial civilization. And, then, the survivors must live in harmony with Nature: plant no crops, build no cities. Not an easy sell to high school students.

    I would willingly join the effort to implement The Solution – if you want to use my body as a sandbag on a nuclear plant, I volunteer.
    reducing suffering? of who?, the innocent? The Children? Yes, let’s ease the suffering of the children by telling them all is well, have another Happy Meal and some more soda and candy.

    The Resistance is commited to making the “bad guys” suffer – sooner rather than later – like the rest of us. As they chip away at some minor aspect of the Machine, they do what they can to disrupt the lives of those responsible and make them PAY for their actions.

    Local fishermen get real pissed off when the Sierra Club makes them use turtle excluding devices when they trawl for shrimp. Ever met one of these local fishermen? Pretty much responsible for the lion’s share of global warming to be sure – they are the bad guys. And their children suffer.

    In this upside down world I tried to live. I tried to “find meaning” and I tried to help others when I could. But, I failed. But, failure was inevitable. And now, I do nothing. Lots and lots of nothing.

    “We are always complaining that our days are few, and acting as though there will be no end of them.” – Seneca

  • Dredd:

    I’m not sure Arctic Sea Ice Extent or Area is really worth watching. It is rather the Volume, that matters.
    This mega- drop could signal future mega- drops due to extensive ice- thinning.

    Only Love Remains

  • To paraphrase Guy in this video: “Business is booming.”

  • lot of love for the The Arctic Sea Ice Graphs ~ the big page. PIOMAS still showing volume as somewhat higher than same time 2011-2014.

  • I have to pinch myself: ten posts, and not a single one veering away from the article’s climate change topic into navel gazing self-absorption. Can this last?:-) The articles lined to at Update on the 6th Great Extinction are really worthwhile reading, by the way.

  • No navel gazing from me, Jeff.

    Here is as very scholarly & sophisticated lecture that I would maintain is mandatory, both for its science & its depressing inferences about “managing” the climate disruption crisis.

    Nevertheless, most of it is pure hard science, by a very decent & impressive scientist.

    Atmospheric chemist, James Anderson, lays it out in no uncertain terms, especially the very precise & sophisticated data gathering techniques developed by his Harvard research group.

    Anderson’s presentation covers the most up to date science on both CO2 & methane in the atmospheric commons.

    I thank blogger “rayduray” at Robert Scribbler for directing me to it.

    Anderson’s emphasis is on the categorical thermodynamic “irreversibility” of our polluting of the atmospheric commons.

    He also openly states that those most responsible for the pollution & concomitant heating will suffer much less than those who did the least to cause that deadly heating.

    At 50:00 he states that the “scientific imperative of irreversibility” demands a confrontation with what he calls the “moral imperative” about our legacy to the young, especially because “now” we have adequate & plentiful information unavailable to our predecessors.

    One caveat & red flag, Anderson appears to openly support the Harvard solar radiation management project – a group who still believes that the climate disruption crisis is amenable to techno fixing & management.

    His use of the simple phrase “solar radiation management” makes me cringe.

    Anderson strongly advocates complete fossil fuel divestment for the Harvard Corporation.

    Guy may want to weigh in on the feasibility of any claimed techno-fixes by the Harvard group, who could be called some of “the best & the brightest.”

    Although I humbly respect Anderson’s science, I am bewildered by his technological optimism.

    It is well worth your time, both for its scientific reality assessment & what I call its UNreality about technofixes & managing solar radiation.

    Climate Week: Climate Science Breakfast with James And…
    View on vimeo.com

  • Hi Guy
    You keep quoting Natalia Shakhova as saying there could be a 50GT release of CH4 ‘any time’. Could you send me the link to that statement please.
    All I have is this YT skit – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx1Jxk6kjbQ , where she says Igor thinks it could happen any day, she seems very reluctant to repeat what her mate is saying, so maybe she dosn’t believe it will happen?, and you are putting words in her mouth??

  • Robert, you can find Shakhova quoted at my long essay. I’ll make it easy for you and you can stop insulting me: https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23923-huge-methane-belch-in-arctic-could-cost-60-trillion.html#.VYnBXtOCOnN

  • It’s summer in FLORIDA, insects should be everywhere. There is a 99% decrease in insect life where I am on the west coast. Mocking Birds and other species that eat insects are very stressed, gaunt looking. There are few Mocking birds left and local lizard species are 90% gone. I have only seen one Palmetto Bug (our brand of Cock Roach) so far this summer. Sea birds are down by, my estimate, 95%.

    Almonds, which I especially enjoy, should be the size of Palmetto Bugs but are now about 20% ‘normal’ size, smaller than a June Bug. By the way, that reminds me…the June Bugs never showed up!

    Damn! I wish a big old asteroid would whack us good and put an end to this raging game of grab-ass! Imagine, cheating humanity out of years of morbid suffering. I’d love it!

  • I’m gonna die without ever shooting a pier…this video makes me cry…

  • Over half of humanity will not have enough water in 10 years.
    We are heading to civilization-ending world food shortages in 25 years.

    That doesn’t mean that everything will be great for 24 years and 364 days.
    When civilization collapse, we won’t give a fuck about 2°C or sea level rise.

    We spent the last 10 years provoking and arming Muslim fanatics who hate us.
    We kill them, they kill us, and everyone makes money selling guns and ammo to both sides. These people will feel the food and water shortages first.

    While old people sitting around talking about how bad we feel about it all does nothing to warn our youth, it does make us feel better. Personally, I don’t give a fuck about how anyone who is old feels about this, although I do feel obliged to warn any casual young readers over, and over again, because like Fox News knows, repetition makes perfect. I am not here for the camaraderie of like minds. I am here for the uninformed youth who may stray here.

    A young man at work told me he’s sick of being told that millennials are to most entitled generation in history to which I replied that baby boomers are in fact the most entitled. We were warned of ecological collapse and shortages in the 1970s, but we just ignored it all and got on with our lives producing kids. I’m pretty sure that young man doesn’t give a rat’s ass how us old people feel about NTHE. I told him having kids is wrong, he understands, but he doesn’t feel it. I guess he feels entitled to the biological imperative — eat, survive, reproduce.


  • From the linked article:

    ‘The pair calculated that a release of 50 billion tonnes would be possible within a decade, through known areas of melting and geological faults. Since methane is a greenhouse gas 25 times as potent as carbon dioxide, such a scenario would trigger a “climate catastrophe”, they say, increasing the methane content of the planet’s atmosphere twelve-fold, and raising temperatures by 1.3 ˚C.’

    Once again we see that phony ’25 times as potent as carbon dioxide’ multiplier.

    Over a 20-year period methane is officially acknowledged as having a factor of 86 times…… and the one ‘nobody’ wants to talk about, the instantaneous factor, is around 300 times CO2.

    Since we are faced with a methane burp which could well overwhelm the OH oxidation mechanism and result in persistently high levels of methane in the atmosphere, we should be applying the Precautionary Principle with respect to Planetary Meltdown.

    However, the only Precautionary Principle TPTB are interested in relates to the precaution of preventing the masses recognising they are living in the terminal phase of the Ponzi-economics ‘slave camp’ by keeping them misinformed and distracted.

  • If u don’t read CounterPunch, u are making a mistake. Pure heaven – all the time – as factual as u can get too!!!!!!!

    “The Pope’s message is crystal clear: we have trashed the earth so badly that our relationship with it is totally out of harmony. Years ago, when I researched and wrote a book on Native American fiction, the writers of these works wrote me painful letters, expressing their concern with our treatment of Mother Earth. But who would pay any attention to Native Americans or peoples of other cultures who have often voiced the same lament? This country can’t accept the opinions of those who are not white.”


  • Mark Austin,

    This one’s for you young man.

    CounterPunch again!


  • ‘74% of American men are either overweight or Obese (up from 63% in 1994) according to a new report using data from the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey.

    As MSN reports, the researchers exclaim “obesity is not getting better. It’s getting worse, and it’s really scary. It’s not looking pretty,” warning that America’s “car dependence” and poverty (“processed and fast foods are less expensive”) are to blame and America’s weight problem is an issue that will not be resolved through a purely medical solution.’


    Needless to say, every country that follows the American model of ‘development’ via fast-food take-aways and drive-throughs ends up with a population of predominantly sick people….. just as the corporations want.

  • Well, a diet of refined starches, sugars and vegetable oils will really mess with your insulin metabolism. Much of the american population today suffers from metabolic syndrome as a result. It ain’t exactly rocket science. to get a clear picture of what’s going on and how it happened, read Gary Taubes “Good Calories. Bad Calories” – one of the best pieces of investigative science journalism out there.

  • “I told him having kids is wrong, he understands, but he doesn’t feel it. I guess he feels entitled to the biological imperative — eat, survive, reproduce.”

    Indeed. Which was why so many of our contemporaries in the boomer generation lost the faith early on and jumped back into the arms of empire. The perks were readily available, and “living simply” turned out to be a lot of work. Today, it’s all the electronic gizmos and the faux community of social media. Like you, I can no longer give a rat’s ass. This summer is gonna be a corker.

  • This is a very moving and good short TedTalk.

  • Found it thanks Guy

    So how likely is a giant belch? An abrupt release of 50 billion tonnes is “highly possible at any time”, Shakhova says. Around 10 million tonnes of methane a year are already leaking from the shelf, according to Shakhova’s calculations. However, it is not clear whether this is a new phenomenon, or even whether human activity is to blame. Shakhova says it may have been going on since the frozen shelf was inundated by seawater at the end of the last ice age.

    Apologies for the ‘insult’

  • Action guided by rational anticipation, without expectations regarding outcomes, is always indicated.

    Rational anticipation excludes both hopfum and popium.

  • Robert & Izzy,

    Having kids is NOT wrong. Maybe to you, but my three adult children could have enjoyed a life that would have been much more rewarding had they not been obliged to enslave themselves to the status quo of human civilizations, although ‘civil’ in civilization is quite the stretch.

    It’s not our numbers that is the problem as much as what that number must do to stay alive, to survive. Change the rules of survival, a condition which humans could have done, and you will change the population dilemma.

    Is it not easy to survive in the jungles that we have created within our ‘civil’izations? No way! But who could have changed the rules of survival? You could have, and still can, but probably didn’t. Paul Ehrlich has always maintained a too many scenario ever since he saw the light of day. He was wrong, and still is.

    I agree on most of your statistics enumerating the woes we are about to face, none of which would have been necessary had we but followed the golden rule.. treat others as you would like to be treated.
    The pope, whether he is a gifted messenger or not, did say that the number one priority in resolving global warming is to take care of each other. We may indeed be too late, but that is the bottom line… Letting people starve to death or perish as the result of the place where they were born will eventually catch up to all of us, as in our global village that is now preoccupied with global warming, a globe it never had to face, even in our present numbers.

  • shep Says:
    June 23rd, 2015 at 3:40 pm
    “If u don’t read CounterPunch, u are making a mistake. Pure heaven – all the time – as factual as u can get too!!!!!!!

    “The Pope’s message is crystal clear: we have trashed the earth so badly that our relationship with it is totally out of harmony. Years ago, when I researched and wrote a book on Native American fiction, the writers of these works wrote me painful letters, expressing their concern with our treatment of Mother Earth. But who would pay any attention to Native Americans or peoples of other cultures who have often voiced the same lament? This country can’t accept the opinions of those who are not white.”


    Yeah, the Pope who in the same breath (i.e same encyclical‚ said all abortions should be banned. As if overpopulation has nothing to do with the state of things. Something you and Counterpunch managed to leave out . And so, what is the Vatican Bank investing in these days?

  • Kirk and everybody here,

    Summer in Hampshire in the South of England and hardly any insects ANYWHERE.

    And no bats! This is the first year I haven’t seen them. One species here that was very numerous (our most common bat here in Europe) is a small one called pipistelle. It was virtually ubiquitous. I had a nursing colony under my roof, mothers giving birth leaving their young hanging in the rafters over night. Once they were weaned, they’d leave together. I always felt very honoured to have them in my house. The summer evenings in my garden without them create a very strange atmosphere. Something I could take for granted maybe (is?) gone forever.
    I don’t have the language to express the sorrow I feel adequately. I don’t think any of us humans have. We’ve constructed a language to unite the emotional and the intellectual for human tragedies. Think of slavery, for instance, and how perceptions (ethics, morality) have changed. Think of the feelings the word holocaust stir up in us and how we can come to grips with it in a discussion.
    However, extinction of entire species is still too vague a concept. Humans have spent all their intellectual and emotional resources on the human world. Therefore grasping that nature is dying is beyond our true understanding. Science “catching up” is only “natural” under the circumstances because what we experience in our own back yards is classed as “emotional”. However, when I express my horror at the holocaust or any holocaust it is not classed as just emotional. It’s all difficult to express, and I can only hope that you understand what I’m getting at, because, as I am trying to say, there is no language to express my feelings properly.
    Can we come up with a language capturing the true horror of destroying nature which for most people has no intrinsic value?

    “The intrinsic value of nature” and “the rights of man and the dignity of human life”: The former is intellectualized and therefore emotionally meaningless. The latter is both: intellectual and emotional. We’ve tinkered with language to describe the “human” for centuries but we’re not equipped to do this for nature which exists for its own ends – not for us – and this is our problem. That’s why we’re here at this point in our human history as a part of this extinction.
    Will we be able to develop the proper language before our species goes extinct, and does it matter? For me personally, it does.
    But I digress…

    Going back to my observations this summer:
    I have not seen any of our usual songbirds, the migrants that come to spend the summer nesting and feeding on the insects and insect larvae here. It’s truly spooky (for want of a better word). I can leave my windows open in the evening with the lights on – hardly any insects! Even the houseflies are docile. Every fly I see (hardy any) seems to be at death’s door. Maybe they hatch already in that state, maybe they are also a dying species already? Houseflies… and we humans always thought of them as a pest.

    Furthermore, at this time of the year. there ere always many spiders’ nests, spiders that used the leaves of plants and spinning them together for their nests. I haven’t seen one yet or any other spots in my garden with spiders’ nests. I could go on listing all the insects I know by name…..
    And, of course, no bug splat. Not for a long time.
    I’ve been prepared for this for some time now or at least I thought I was. But it’s frightening. The food chain is breaking down fast.

    And don’t talk to me about plants, I could go on forever.

  • photos of drought in Thailand


    fyi i hate counterpunch. i was a long time reader and listener from back in the days of uncle Alex, now deceased. The new st. clair counterpunch features eric draitser, a blowhard jackboot who loudly proclaims he quote knows power and quote knows how the world works. And how everyone else besides himself is quote duped. flat bs. Unexcusably pro establishment, pro status quo. somebodys got to jack up the advertisers, right? CP is a shadow of itself. Claude Cockburn is rolling in his grave. of course, not always bad or wrong, but on the whole, i would much prefer http://dissidentvoice.org/ or http://www.countercurrents.org/ They do what counterpunch used to do, esp countercurrents on climate, without having to wade through the hideous i’m so much smarter than you crap.

  • SHEP – THANK YOU !!! Fukushima nuclear disaster brought out the best in individuals whilst exposing the worst of authorities. In striking contrast, Dr. Josh Park was brave, a strong man who was not scared.

    Very sad that it will take our own West Coast quakes & Meltdowns to get the public outcry to help me with political public support to decommission plants. All the cooling systems in East coast plants are having trouble. old Hanford plant & Indian Point are serious problem but so is the salt water “acid” intake down at Turkey Point Miami. I’m not even allowed to tell you about Fort Pierce station.

    ARTLEADS – on the drawing board from hell. The devil wears Idaho. Tiny Atomic city which was the first to run on atomic power…might become a massive new I.T. tech site. A computer super conglomerate would like to build and sprawl beyond your wildest nightmares in our Federal lands. Request for 3 new nuke plants to build a Citi-corp of India dreamworkers. The Transhumans just need my stamp of approval for safety. Jobs. jobs jobs. All on the Eve of that Apple logo getting a test on a new DARPA military app. Wish this Snowden with a huge co-mingled Saudi Corp check book could tell you more but it’s all about trillions in terra bytes & terra forming if you follow the money. So many secret projects but they all need ENERGY

  • Yes, Sabine, as you say, “a very strange atmosphere” presents itself when I look around and see life fading away. It’s like I’ve been poisoned with an elixir concocted by an evil wizard, or overcome by a dark spell sending me into a lower plane, where life doesn’t count. I want to go back, to free myself, but I know I never can.

    It only stands to reason that soon, humans will follow. Human pups, like seal pups, washing up along the coasts. All joy gone, rubbed out.

    Deep sadness is the only adequate response.

    I got some milkweed seeds from our old friend Friedrich Klein (sp?). I worked hard and invested quite a bit in growing a couple dozen fine specimens. I even made large chicken wire cages to keep the squirrels from digging up the seedlings. I also wanted to keep the Monarchs away until the plants were large enough to sustain a few caterpillars. Well, the cages have been removed for a month and…nothing, absolutely nothing. Not even any aphids or mites. All the leaves are perfect, just waiting to become a meal.

  • Deadly hot & dry at the Scripps Institute in Jupiter Fla a few days ago. Max planck campus is connected. Higgs project. Funding my Time Magazine cover science star Dr. Steve Benner at APPLIED MOLECULAR EVOLUTION toward stage 2 of synthetic biology “radiatiion eating Microbes” and yes my buddy Dr. Victor DeGrutola of Harvard was at my table. Handshakes on the Solar Radiation Management progress with Nobel Prize winner Paul Crutzan. Goveneor Rick Scott passes the podium to Jeb Bush. Marco Rubio is in the room along with our team of Saudi Royals & Koch who pay for all of this with 2 trillion in mingled advanced energy funds.

    A Trump National Golf Club black & gold gift card is at each of our place settings. I Think of ROBERT CALLINGHAM as I look at the collapse data sheet then out at an expansive view of fake lakes. Obama & Tiger Woods will golf here next week according to WH sched update. Our team meeting on new energy discoveries happening right now with CERN running full power is complicated. Can Tiny black holes captured like Dark Fireflies in “SAFE” vacuum tubes be added to Space X payloads to Mars faster?? One mistake with any of this and Extinction will be much more rapid than Dr. McPherson imigines. What if I was to approve a budget cut on the safety contaiment of the Dark Matter? Cut a corner on the T-vector value. NSA Admiral Roger Michales has assistants to replace our lap tops. Sensitive data. Pentagon is pushing for slightly larger black holes in a bottle out of CERN. Maybe we will let them have their wish. A micro larger in a slightly cheaper container. Hummmm. Back to the Singularity we all go at 200 species per second. But nobody at the NSA cares what I say on the far backwater of NBL. Had to warn them somewhere. Remember I told you here last May about Jade-Helm op. This Sept 23 will be an event. So much work by so many for such a brief big bang. http://www.ready.gov

  • Kirk,

    yes, all the leaves are perfect in my garden too.
    My (stupid) shallow, unaware cousin in Germany has noticed this “phenomenon” too and is pleased. A perfect garden!
    When he told me on the phone, I just wanted to shout at him.

    So many of our resident birds here feed their young on aphids. I haven’t seen many blue tits and great tits (that’s what we call them here just in case anybody wants to snigger). These two species are our most common resident birds – and have had hardly any young this season as far as I can see.

    But the gardens “shine” with perfection – and the people are pleased.

    The often deliberate ignorance is overwhelming.

    ‘“a very strange atmosphere” presents itself when I look around and see life fading away. It’s like I’ve been poisoned with an elixir concocted by an evil wizard, or overcome by a dark spell sending me into a lower plane, where life doesn’t count. I want to go back, to free myself, but I know I never can.’

    Perfect! So well described: “a lower plane, where life doesn’t count”.

    I want to go back too but as you say – we can’t.

    Take good care of yourself and your family while you can.

  • **I got some milkweed seeds from our old friend Friedrich Klein**

    His name is Friedrich Kling and he is not your friend. 30 minutes of research reveals who and what is behind your “old friend’s” mask.

    His appearance and subsequent disappearance is a great lesson in human gullibility. It illustrates how a few PC ideas, flowery buzzwords, and a pile of cash can blind some of us to reality.

    Frank is not German. He didn’t grow up with his aged grandfather saving donkeys and turtles. Frank is heir to a family fortune built on the suffering of millions. For every young man and woman who died face down in the river of mud and blood fighting empires wars of lies – for every mother who collapsed in agony and grief for their fallen sons and daughters n- it was all just ka-ching to Kling.

  • Sabine & Kirk,

    Thanks fro pointing out your observations regarding insects. For one, I was basically mostly unaware of the impacts climate changes may have on insects. After looking up the subject, there are hundreds of informative references on the matter. It seems you are both living in areas where insects are part of the landscape, and thus hold more than a passing interest, unlike most people who live in cities and would hardly know what is going on. Another sign that all is going downhill.

    Perhaps the most frightening in terms of extinction is the possibility that plankton life is fast disappearing. If that continues,( 50% and counting apparently,)what will feed everything that feeds on plankton, and those that feed off the life that feeds on plankton?. This is happening now, and aside from a few references here and there from concerned marine biologists, nothing much is mentioned.

    In our neck of the woods in Kelowna BC the headline in the paper this very morning announced that the Okanagan is about to experience a full week of record setting temperatures, with highs reaching over 40 degrees C, ( 104 degrees F ). Yet, there is still absolutely no mention of climate change or global warming. Either such is par for the course in newspaper land, or deliberately withheld for whatever reasons the media is being silenced.

    How can the public be informed, or care, if their news people do not inform them of such? The last time I saw any reference to insects in our newspapers is when the Pine Beetle was devastating pines by the billions. Aside from that, any reference to any insect outside of that sphere is as likely to be seen as a seeing a dodo bird going for a swim.

  • Sabine, Kirk and everyone who grieves over the catastrophic loss of the earth’s biodiversity; thank you for sharing here and speaking to the seemingly bottomless sadness. Sabine; you write so poignantly to what I feel is the challenge of our times which is how to integrate these feelings into our lives and still find joy in living. Does it all come down to control and letting go?

    Yes, the bats are being killed off here in the Midwest and all over the world. White nosed bat syndrome, is spreading—- one of the reasons being that humans can’t stay out of caves! Trees dead and dying, birds, frogs everything disappearing before our eyes for those who see.

    Monarchs: just about gone (thanks in part to Monsanto among others).

    BUT the “fourth of July” is next week. Many here in the U.S. will be shooting off fireworks into and around the lakes, terrifying the wildlife and depositing toxins in the waters simulating the “rockets red glare” and feeling patriotic. I despise nationalism.

    Most, if not all days I feel sickened by being a part of the species that is destroying the earth.

    This article (yes, I know, it’s Think Progress!) caught my attention as does anything that speaks to how to cope with the guilt/loss/grief related to climate change:


    I’m reading the article and thinking “yes, I can relate to all of this” until I come to this paragraph where an example of an “unhealthy response” to “pre-climate anxiety” is described:

    “One of my patients compulsively reads about climate change, stays up late with intrusive thoughts of climate events that could hurt him or his loved ones, enacting obsessive-compulsive rituals, such as making to-do lists to try to plan for this future,’’ she said. “Another sabotages one relationship after another by refusing his lovers children because he could not bear to bring children into a life of such suffering.”

    While obsessing over climate change (which I’ll admit to) certainly won’t help matters—– not bringing children into this world seems like one of the healthiest responses to climate change a person in child bearing years can make!

    I think I prefer Carolyn Baker and Joanna Macy’s offerings on how to deal with the grief/anxiety associated with human’s destruction of life on earth.

    It’s amazing to me that there is anyone still functioning from a place of physical health and emotional love in a world that is completely inundated with human created chemical toxins and violence!

    I hope this doesn’t seem like navel gazing self absorption to Jeff and others. My apologies if it does. It is so important to look up (the auroras were AMAZING the other night and are forecast for tonight too), look around, take it in but let yourself feel.

    To deny what one is feeling related to the earth and the life that is dying all around us has got to be very unhealthy for the mind/body. I don’t think we’re going to figure out why humans are here . . what it all means in the big picture but we can try to help each other and ourselves by being kind, supportive and loving to all living beings during this massive human induced extinction ((Dick Cheney/Koch brothers examples of exemptions!)

  • George Ade, circa 1903


    Once upon a Time a Base Ball Fan lay on his Death-Bed.

    He had been a Rooter from the days of Underhand Pitching.

    It was simply Pie for him to tell in what year Anse began to play with the Rockfords and what Kelly’s Batting Average was the Year he sold for Ten Thousand.

    If you asked him who played Center for Boston in 1886 he could tell you quick—right off the Reel. And he was a walking Directory of all the Glass Arms in the Universe.

    More than once he had let drive with a Pop Bottle at the Umpire and then yelled “Robber” until his Pipes gave out. For many Summers he would come Home, one Evening after Another, with his Collar melted, and tell his Wife that the Giants made the Colts look like a lot of Colonial Dames playing Bean Bag in a Weedy Lot back of an Orphan Asylum, and they ought to put a Trained Nurse on Third, and the Dummy at Right needed an Automobile, and the New Man couldn’t jump out of a Boat and hit the Water, and the Short-Stop wouldn’t be able to pick up a Ball if it was handed to him on a Platter with Water Cress around it, and the Easy One to Third that ought to have been Sponge Cake was fielded like a One-Legged Man with St. Vitus dance trying to do the Nashville Salute.

    Of course she never knew what he was Talking about, but she put up with it, Year after Year, mixing Throat Gargle for him and reading the Games to him when he was having his Eyes tested and had to wear a Green Shade.

    At last he came to his Ninth Inning and there were Two Strikes called and no Balls, and his Friends knew it was All Day with him. They stood around and tried to forget that he was a Fan. His Wife wept softly and consoled herself with the Thought that possibly he would have amounted to Something if there had been no National Game.

    She forgave Everything and pleaded for one Final Message. His Lips moved. She leaned over and Listened. He wanted to know if there was Anything in the Morning Papers about the Condition of Bill Lange’s Knee.

    Moral: There is a Specific Bacillus for every Classified Disease.

  • not all of science has “caught up.”

  • Alaska is on fire!

    … releasing millions of tons of carbon both from the forests & the permafrost.

    Many Alaskan residents have totally forgotten their navel lint problems & concerns, including removal & color/textual analysis.


  • J.T. –

    As having kids (reproducing) is a basic biological imperative, it’s beyond right or wrong. It’s just how the whole thing works, somewhere out there in Rumi’s field. The current dilemma, as with the classic yeast in a petri dish example, is a planetary species outstripping its resource base while generating toxic by-products. Not real smart at the present time, and the consequences appear to be lethal. But the beat goes on. Who we blame or idolize is secondary. My actual point was that the first world cultural trance has generally kept our various generations ensnared and acting unwisely about many things, likely now past the point of no return. Of course, employing compassion and respect in our personal affairs is always a good idea, whatever may come. But a bit of weariness about it all, especially for us old codgers, seems as natural as children.

  • Having kids is NOT wrong. Having kids is NOT wrong. Having kids is NOT wrong. Having kids is NOT wrong.

    I can see this going on posters and TV ads all over the world. What a brilliant piece of PR! Those wanting limitless population could not ask for a better promo.

    Let’s examine why it works so brilliantly. First, nobody advocating a reduction in population has ever said this. What they have said is that having too many kids is a problem. So this plays the “accuse them of something they haven’t done card.” Second it sets up a beautifully ugly straw man to invite people to spit on and destroy, thereby venting their rage against the perpetrators of such an idea. Third it accuses those population reduction folks of accusing you citizens of having done something culpable, when all you were doing was normal healthy reproduction. Nobody likes being falsely accused – stand up for your rights!

    Whoever thought of this slogan is a PR genius of sorts, and they should bring their creation to the attention of those wealthy and powerful folks who are opposed to population control for possible financial compensation. After all, their obscene profits depend on an ever expanding pool of consumers. Then there are the militarists, nationalists, religionists, and just plain idiots that think unlimited human numbers is a great idea. Any of them could take this slogan and hope it would go viral and help sway world opinion…. In my opinion this slogan could actually be worth billions to certain interests.

  • If what I posted above seems obscure, just think of the walrus and his friend as two PR men, and the oysters as the gullible public –

    The sun was shining on the sea,
    Shining with all his might:
    He did his very best to make
    The billows smooth and bright–
    And this was odd, because it was
    The middle of the night.
    The moon was shining sulkily,
    Because she thought the sun
    Had got no business to be there
    After the day was done–
    “It’s very rude of him,” she said,
    “To come and spoil the fun!”

    The sea was wet as wet could be,
    The sands were dry as dry.
    You could not see a cloud, because
    No cloud was in the sky:
    No birds were flying overhead–
    There were no birds to fly.
    The Walrus and the Carpenter
    Were walking close at hand;
    They wept like anything to see
    Such quantities of sand:
    “If this were only cleared away,”
    They said, “it would be grand!”
    “If seven maids with seven mops
    Swept it for half a year.
    Do you suppose,” the Walrus said,
    “That they could get it clear?”
    “I doubt it,” said the Carpenter,
    And shed a bitter tear.
    “O Oysters, come and walk with us!”
    The Walrus did beseech.
    “A pleasant walk, a pleasant talk,
    Along the briny beach:
    We cannot do with more than four,
    To give a hand to each.”
    The eldest Oyster looked at him,
    But never a word he said:
    The eldest Oyster winked his eye,
    And shook his heavy head–
    Meaning to say he did not choose
    To leave the oyster-bed.
    But four young Oysters hurried up,
    All eager for the treat:
    Their coats were brushed, their faces washed,
    Their shoes were clean and neat–
    And this was odd, because, you know,
    They hadn’t any feet.
    Four other Oysters followed them,
    And yet another four;
    And thick and fast they came at last,
    And more, and more, and more–
    All hopping through the frothy waves,
    And scrambling to the shore.

    The Walrus and the Carpenter
    Walked on a mile or so,
    And then they rested on a rock
    Conveniently low:
    And all the little Oysters stood
    And waited in a row.
    “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
    “To talk of many things:
    Of shoes–and ships–and sealing-wax–
    Of cabbages–and kings–
    And why the sea is boiling hot–
    And whether pigs have wings.”
    “But wait a bit,” the Oysters cried,
    “Before we have our chat;
    For some of us are out of breath,
    And all of us are fat!”
    “No hurry!” said the Carpenter.
    They thanked him much for that.
    “A loaf of bread,” the Walrus said,
    “Is what we chiefly need:
    Pepper and vinegar besides
    Are very good indeed–
    Now if you’re ready, Oysters dear,
    We can begin to feed.”
    “But not on us!” the Oysters cried,
    Turning a little blue.
    “After such kindness, that would be
    A dismal thing to do!”
    “The night is fine,” the Walrus said.
    “Do you admire the view?

    “It was so kind of you to come!
    And you are very nice!”
    The Carpenter said nothing but
    “Cut us another slice:
    I wish you were not quite so deaf–
    I’ve had to ask you twice!”
    “It seems a shame,” the Walrus said,
    “To play them such a trick,
    After we’ve brought them out so far,
    And made them trot so quick!”
    The Carpenter said nothing but
    “The butter’s spread too thick!”
    “I weep for you,” the Walrus said:
    “I deeply sympathize.”
    With sobs and tears he sorted out
    Those of the largest size,
    Holding his pocket-handkerchief
    Before his streaming eyes.
    “O Oysters,” said the Carpenter,
    “You’ve had a pleasant run!
    Shall we be trotting home again?’
    But answer came there none–
    And this was scarcely odd, because
    They’d eaten every one.

    Lewis Carrol

  • A few days ago I described a paper in Science (348,1238-1241, 2015) which correlated temperature effects of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere along with precipitation and the effect that oxygen concentration has on these parameters. The lower the oxygen concentration the greater were the increased temperature effects of carbon dioxide and the greater the precipitation. This had me wondering what oxygen concentrations were doing over the past 600 million years. Berner described this in the following graph (PNAS 96, 10955):

    Carbon dioxide concentrations over this same time period is shown below:

    To my surprise the oxygen content of the atmosphere (21% now) has been declining in both the atmosphere and the ocean. Combustion of fossil fuels from 1 carbon methane to higher order carbon chains consume about 1.4 moles of oxygen per mole of carbon dioxide produced. Plants fix about 1 mole of carbon dioxide per 1.1 moles of oxygen. However, for one thing, O2 and CO2 have very different solubility in seawater; while 99 percent of the O2 remains in the atmosphere, 98 percent of the CO2 is in seawater (http://www.i-sis.org.uk/O2DroppingFasterThanCO2Rising.php). Experimental data indicate that the oxygen concentration is declining 2 to 4 times faster than that accounted for by the molar ratios described above. So where does the oxygen concentration become a problem for man and other higher species. Oxygen deficiency is currently set at 19.5 percent in enclosed spaces for health and safety, below that, fainting and death may result. So there is very little leeway for oxygen concentration becoming a problem.

    The higher oxygen concentration of 35% which peaked about 300 million years ago and reached a supposed low point of 15% very near the time of the Carboniferous era (250-200 mya–a time when coal deposits were being formed) is interesting. Of course during this time period we had the Siberian traps, the Permian extinction, possibly large coal seam fires and possibly anoxic conditions leading to hydrogen sulfide formation. This low point of 15% oxygen is unreliable and is based on the fact that charcoal is found at all time periods and 15% is a low point for any combustion to take place. However, while flaming combustion can occur at concentrations as low as 14 to 16 percent oxygen in air at room temperatures of 70°F (21°C), flaming combustion can continue at close to 0 percent oxygen under post-flashover temperature conditions. Also, smoldering combustion once initiated can continue in a low-oxygen environment even when the surrounding environment is at a relatively low temperature. The hotter the environment, the less oxygen is required. Therefore, oxygen concentrations could have been even lower than 15%.

    In addition breakdown of lignin and other plant woody material is a very slow process, but with the evolution of protein peroxidases in fungi (150-200 million years ago), this became a much more rapid process and would lead to lower oxygen concentrations. Speculation now would say that coal formation could no longer take place at the scale of the Carboniferous era because of the presence of a large variety of peroxidases from the different fungal species.

    Two graphs noted above could not be shown on this site

  • Sorry, Bob S. I do remember getting upset with Frank a couple of times, myself. Yet, I try to ignore the infighting, sadly it’s an undercurrent wherever I go and I try to stay out of it. I really don’t have much interest in people.

  • Hi Mark,

    Let the world engage in its folly; I’ll limit my attention to the land. :-) As I’ve said before, the outcome is not my concern.

  • So Mike K…. In plain English, without the walrus and a friend, what’s your point? Are you asking where the phrase: “Having kids is NOT wrong” was coined? or are you suggesting that it should be or should not be used on a poster? Are you in favor of having kids, or not? You wrote that you were not sure if your post was obscure…. Well, if you really wanna know…….

    The phrase I wrote, from my part at least, is just a correction to Robert Callaghan’s post above in which he declares, and I quote : ” Having kids is wrong”. 3:28 P.M. June 23rd. I added ‘NOT’. I assume your read the post? Now what about “limitless population”. I assume that you are not in favor of a limitless HUMAN population…. but then neither am I, and, if I reread my own post, was the term “limitless population” in the text? and if so, where and how did you interpret that such is my position ? You did write “those’ and so I will assume that you did not think that my post indicated that I was in favor of unlimited humans on planet Earth.

    You posted 4 times, “Having kids is NOT wrong”. I absolutely agree, and, I suppose, your parents did also. In fact, most people are in basic agreement with that notion, if notion it is. And so, if I have misinterpreted your post, be my guest and enlighten my darkness. Perhaps I misunderstood the premise of your position. If so, please attribute that to the incompleteness of my English vocabulary, a factor which is not unique for second language users.

  • Wester

    Thanks for the drought link.

    When the fossil-fuel-powered pumps no longer work, people get into muddy holes and use buckets to extract the last of the water.

    In the case of America or other ‘wealthier’ nations, they dill deeper holes for the fossil-fuel-powered pumps, thereby lowering the water table and expending even more energy to obtain water…..the looting and polluting industrial treadmill that grinds on till it can’t.

  • JT: Having kids may not be “wrong”, but a lot of us think there are TOO MANY PEOPLE already.

    (I say this having already procreated — I love my kids and grandkids dearly, but I might have kept it in my pants, had I known how quickly collapse was coming….)

    By the time humans could take control of the situation, population will have been drastically reduced by natural processes anyway.

    I’d prefer to move beyond the religious, moral, spiritual, “what if we could feed everyone”, “babies are such miracles” issues, and just concentrate on what’s actually going to be the situation in the next few decades…..

  • Ken- “I’d prefer to move beyond the religious, moral, spiritual, “what if we could feed everyone”, “babies are such miracles” issues, and just concentrate on what’s actually going to be the situation in the next few decades…..”

    Yes, I’d like to know what’s actually going to happen too, and when, but we’re in uncharted territory at this point. Still I need to hear what the Possibilities are. There are absolute factors… like wet bulb temps. And it looks like this is already happening:in Pakistan.
    The article reports ocean surface temps in some areas at over 91º F!
    But, that being said, I like the emotional side of this blog. The situation is unprecedented and multifaceted.

  • And thick & fast they’re comin’ at last…

    Century of Water Shortage Ahead? Lake Mead Drops Below Rationing Line For First Time in Its History

    Pakistan’s Deadliest Heat Wave on Record Kills at Least 800

    (hey Robin, all your links were bonked in both attempts. your wish is my command. fixed. ~ mo)

  • @kevin moore and Paul C., don’t forget Roundup’s effects on the gut:


    @jean turcot: ” It seems you are both living in areas where insects are part of the landscape” As though other people are not? You’ve gotta be fuckin’ kidding me.

    Urban environments have long had “healthy” populations of flies, spiders, ants, cockroaches, earwigs, moths (clothes moths, grain moths as well as regular moths that would fly around the light fixture), etc. etc.

    @Caroline, I agree with most of your comment and I’m as amazed as you are about what that psychologist said.

    It’s clear that bringing children into a world that you know is going to undergo catastrophe in your lifetime is a form of child abuse. Making preparations when disaster is on the horizon is healthy, not pathological.

    Yes, the schizophrenia takes an enormous mental toll.

    @Mark, see my comment on the previous thread.

  • We will not, after all, have to blow up the Glen Canyon dam like George Washington Hayduke. It and Hoover look like they are going to blow themselves up. ha…………ha ha ha ………..

  • Moderation Reminder: The New Two Post Rule.

    as noted previously, all posts in the current/main thread over two in one day (as marked by the timestamps on these comments) will be deleted, with no exceptions. all overflow posts must go in a previous thread.

  • Guy, can you provide a link to that quote by Ceballos? I couldn’t find anything like what you paraphrased his saying.

  • @Lidia,

    The nice thing about replacing the starches and soy in one’s diet with non-CAFO meat is that it avoids glyphosate as well as insulin problems.

  • Lidia,

    About my admitted failure to inspect bugs in my neck of the woods, and for thinking that people who live in cities are less conscious of insects than those who live in nature, you wrote: ” As though other people are not? You’ve gotta be fuckin’ kidding me.”

    Well I don’t know if you feel that I’m “fucking kidding” ya, but that’s my take on the situation. I thanked Sabine & Kirk, and did not have you in mind, for pointing out that insects are also being endangered. If that doesn’t turn your crank, I really don’t give a damn.

    In fact, you are right in that there are all kinds of insects living in urban environments. But my feelings that people are less conscious about insects in cities than folks whose livelihood are threatened with insects because they eat their produce still stands. Farmers in my estimation have more to lose from not observing insects than people who live in cities. The last time I looked, I didn’t observe too many urbanites on their hands and knees taking up insect identification before hopping on the metro.

    I do however still thank Sabine & Kirk for the information, if that’s ok with you of course.

  • Tony, the documentation you requested is at the usual location, my long, often-updated essay.

    I’ve posted a new essay, courtesy of Bud Nye: https://guymcpherson.com/2015/06/some-myths-about-emotion-and-relationships-for-esgs/

  • Two things I’ve recently read: More people now live in cities than live on the land. The oil and gas industry is on the path to (some sort of) collapse.

    So I’ve been suggesting that there are “advantages” to this.

    – Cities can become more like the wild. That would help to humanize as well as cool them. A great many more wild species would be invited into cities.

    – The energy to transport food to cities from far afield might soon go missing, making urban agriculture/horticulture more needed.

    In short, the kinds of wildlife distinctions we’re used to making between city and country may increasingly not be warranted.

  • Ouse M.D. Says:
    June 23rd, 2015 at 10:31 am


    I’m not sure Arctic Sea Ice Extent or Area is really worth watching. It is rather the Volume, that matters.
    This mega- drop could signal future mega- drops due to extensive ice- thinning.

    Only Love Remains
    Guy mentioned Arctic sea ice extent, so I was in reference to his comments.

    I agree on volume being the more important factor (How Fifth Graders Calculate Ice Volume, 2, 3, 4, 5).

    Guy was in reference to a 300-yr event in terms of the area of melt taking place in one day.

    When the summer ice is gone it allows the heat from the Bering and Beaufort Seas, to flow toward Greenland.

    Which contributes to sea level rise to the extent that it warms the waters around northern and western Greenland (Greenland & Antarctica Invade The United States).

    The potential damage of that sea level rise catastrophic to the U.S. (Weekend Rebel Science Excursion – 44).

  • oops … the last link in my comment above is Weekend Rebel Science Excursion – 44

  • @ Dean Malencik Says:
    June 24th, 2015 at 12:54 pm

    Thank you most sincerely, Mr. Malencik, for the outstandingly informative comment and link to the original(?) article. That is an effect I’ve been wondering about for some time but have yet to investigate. That’s about to change. I’ve skimmed it and a few of the comments and will soon scrutinize the material much more closely. Nonetheless, I was somewhat amused by the thought that the Institute for Science in Society (ISIS) may [soon?] be on some terrorist watch list! :) Thanks again.

  • Hey, everyone – i survived the big storm that hit on Tuesday. Yeah i was without power (including water when you have an electric well pump), lost my apple tree, a bunch of large branches from other trees, loads of debris and a refrigerator full of food, but i’m back now that the electric has been restored. woo-hoo!

    Dean – that’s great. When he first mentioned it, Guy was roundly pooh-poohed over the topic of oxygen level depletion. But like everything else, when it’s not a linear graph, people don’t perceive it well and can’t imagine it, because it’s happening “so slowly.” Trouble is, the rate speeds up as things start going south in earnest. Now look where we are!

    Here’s another one you can add to it:

    More methane seeps discovered in the deep ocean

    Over a course of 12 days Dr. Giuliana Panieri and her colleagues from Centre for Arctic Gas Hydrate, Environment and Climate (CAGE) collected images from seven areas of known methane release in the Arctic Ocean. One of them was Vestnesa Ridge, with over 1000 active seep sites at the depth of over 1000 m.

    “This is the first time that we have seen these methane seeps in the deep Arctic Ocean areas. The images are amazing.” says Panieri.

    [i’m no Anthony Watts fan, but this article is worth noting]

  • Tom – glad to hear all is well — was about to ask if anyone had heard from you :)

    I’m about 90m North of Philly and news said SE got it bad and was cleaning up. We had bad storms all around but no direct hits or outages in Schuylkill County.

    Electric out brings the people to the streets once their gadgets won’t work.

  • Paul – I’m pleased to observe that you are feeling better now with NTE resting comfortably on a shelf nearby within easy reach, but not in your face all the time so you can’t see around it. I get your point about how people stink more when they are so damn close all the time. Besides, the greedy bastards are all trying to get the stuff I want! If they would just thin out or join the euthanasia club it would leave me the space to locate my 5000 acre estate. And I never get the recognition and adulation I so richly deserve because some bastard is always hogging the spotlight. When will they all realize that I deserve everything I want, and get the fuck out of my way so I can get it??

  • [moderation note: copied to this thread on behalf of mike k, as this is a longer overpost]

    mike k Says:

    Lidia – Let me explain what I mean by love. This love is wise. Real love requires intelligence and knowledge. Unconditional love is extended to everything without exception. Hitler, a rock, a rabid animal – there are no exceptions. To love something or someone is to care for it/them. To care means you want them to be well and happy, and you will do what you can to help that be possible. You will try to refrain from anything that would hurt them. When they are happy – you feel happy.

    Now (little thought experiment) what would our world be like if everybody made love their primary concern, their default position?

    There would be no war. There would be no poverty. Nature would not be raped and wounded, but treasured and protected. We would all live simpler but fulfilling lives. There would be no over population. All because we would treasure and nourish each other and all the lives on our planet.

    Can anyone really say that everyone living by this change of mind and heart would have no real physical impact on our planet and each other? Now for me this is obvious, and the question that remains is how do we engender this love adequately in enough people to transform our destiny? Success in that project would change everything. Anybody want to help with that? It all begins with having this deep understanding of our predicament, then working to generate and spread this kind of love. Who has some ideas to help that happen? That’s where it could start to happen….or not. It boggles my mind that after all the prompting by some of the greatest minds and teachers over the ages – people still seem just to not get it!

  • Unconditional love. Yes. I want to love Hitler and make rocks happy too.

    What’s the first step?

  • Mo – Didn’t know Shrodinger had so many cats. His book What Is Life? was an ode to life’s ability to thumb it’s nose at thermodynamics and surf the waves that would eventually swallow it. The ultimate meaning of hubris is the unwillingness to follow the path beyond ego and realize one’s supreme destiny. Super ironic tragic way to shoot oneself in the heart when you had everything necessary to enter paradise – which was right where you were standing. The prison door was open all along, but you hung yourself because you thought there was no exit. And as long as you believed that, there really wasn’t a way out. A change of mind/heart changes everything….

    But Lidia is not going to buy that. She will say “THE DOOR REALLY IS LOCKED! And there is nothing outside of it anyway – this is the only reality there is – you are just dreaming there is another way” And that is the problem. Lidia is the epitome of so many stuck in a narrow no-win reality, and fighting like hell to hang onto it. How can we make it easier for her to loosen her death grip?

    In the sixties many of us thought we could get folks to journey down the rabbit hole into another world of possibilities just by saying eat this…. Didn’t work. Some took the journey to the East then. Brought back meditation, philosophies, gurus – hasn’t worked. We still face the same problem – if we want to have a better world. Many copped out with various alibis – world is an illusion, so there’s nothing to save. Something else, somebody else will somehow take care of it – the God’s surely won’t let us fry? Worrying about the world just proves you are not enlightened – R. Datta….etc etc etc….. This is all part of God’s pretty inscrutable Plan – so not to worry. Or, I don’t give a shit. Or it’s hopeless – don’t waste your time. Or the hell with it , it should be destroyed. Or I’m just tired of thinking about it, I’m going to forget it and go on with my life. I’m sure we can think of tons of other cop outs. Meanwhile the Earth is dying. People are suffering terribly. Time is running out….

  • Bob S – Don’t start with Hitler or rocks – those are real toughies. Save those babies for when you are an advanced practitioner. Start with who or whatever you find easiest to love, and expand from there gradually including more and more folks trees, frogs, rabbits – whatever turns you on. As you can sense, we are talking meditation. Close your eyes, relax and feel love for your chosen object(s). It’s like training a muscle – feel it as strong as comfortable, deepen it, then when you have enough for one session go about your business. Practices need not be very long, but a few minutes daily can do a lot. With something so crucial to our lives, it’s amazing we don’t devote some time to developing it. Guaranteed to produce good results in your daily interactions.

    Another practice is to consciously feel a friendly or loving vibe in yourself when contacting anyone however casually. You may be surprised how a subtle inner gesture easily communicates to them and changes the interaction in a good way.

  • PS – Bob, some people really do love rocks – we call them rock-hounds. And some people love Hitler – we call them Nazi’s.

  • Mike ~

    I truly believe there is only one answer:

    “Be the change you wish to see in the world.”

    however a being sees fit to follow this path.

    I have learned everything that is central to my core essence, and the essence of everything that I cherish about loving kindness and unconditional love, from other beings who have modeled it for me, first.

    meaning they demonstrated something with their own behavior which I could then emulate, in my own way. or which inspired me, directly or indirectly. these beings always inspired the largest scale changes that occurred in me, both in this lifetime, and across my many lifetimes.

    just the fact that they showed me such things were possible was enough to make me want to change, or to open me up to the reality of greater experience and larger awareness. I honestly don’t see any other route that is truly effective, and I think we are stuck with this approach.

    BUT, this method is extremely powerful. it can be used for the greater, sustainable, good, or it can be abused in service of short term ignorant desire, and end up as the source of the worst outcomes in human history.

    our entire outcome with AGW, and over-consumption, right now, is just one generation, from one type of culture, modeling a certain kind of behavior for the next generation, until the world is overcome with a certain type of outcome.

    it’s the most powerful method that exists.

  • Ram S – My remarks about DARPA were really based in a larger context. I think that our continued pursuit of new more complex technologies is a large component in the crisis we are facing. My thoughts are in the direction of greater simplicity, not increasing complexity. Of course for those finding high financial rewards working for industry, the military industrial complex, and various research and development entities this is a heretical stance. Those who are so involved are addicted in various ways to this path of ever increasing complexification and will not abandon it. Naturally they entertain a philosophy of progress that ignores the huge downside of their activity. When Mark above goes on about the threat and counterthreat game nuclear war planners are playing , it is not easy for me to see the progress in that. This kind of progress is insane. My feeling is – please stop doing us these favors. With friends like these…. Our mad scientists have gone way past the Sorcerers Apprentice stage, and are threatening our survival. These unconscious idiots will never know where to stop. If anyone thinks they are saving us, than I suggest they quit drinking the koolaid that makes them think this is a fun trip.

  • MIKE K. — Please let me separate my true personal feelings from work related perspective. YES every military complex in the world is on a very bad trip with counter measures. Like Dr. Mc Pherson I am only the messenger of their dire plans in progress.

    I also see this happening is in our cultural obsession with apocalypse and eco-disaster narratives. We are clearly interested in exploring doomsday narratives – whether they be driven by natural disasters, human accident or zombies – that investigate a world after the human. We can see through the apocalypse theme so popular now in speculative fiction, including hits like Cormac McCarthy’s The Road or Max Brooks’ World War Z, or Margaret Atwood’s MaddAddam trilogy, or television series like The Walking Dead, that we are keen to explore storylines that remove humanity from the face of the earth.

    I love people like MO FLOW as models of better thought & behavior. I was once my own best person when I was Ranger Marco in Costa Rica a decade ago. But these are NBL times where my final area of interest involves the recent turn towards post-humanism and speculative realism in contemporary theory and philosophy. By post-humanism here I mostly mean the critical practice as it inheres in the post-anthropocentric vein of philosophical and theoretical thought (rather than in the transhumanist vein which explores bio and technological transcendence of the human – although that is arguable a manifestation of human self-hatred, or misanthropy, too). Much like cultural representations of the zombie apocalypse, the theoretical trend to ‘disappear’ the human from thinking – to make epistemology post-human – is critical to understanding not only how western individuals think themselves in the Misanthropocene, but how humanity attempts to think beyond the human, or outside the traditional realm of human reason, values and concerns.

    From all sides, we’re ushering in the “end of the human world,” as Timothy Morton puts it in his recent book Hyperobjects: Philosophy and Ecology After the End of the World.

    Think about the emerging environmental argument that’s meant to calm our nerves during dinner conversations that have dreadfully been derailed by climate change: “The planet is going to be fine. It will bounce back. We’re the ones that are fucked.”

    That’s exactly it. That is the logic of the Misanthropocene. That’s it’s hard kernel of truth moment. And it’s precisely the undeniable persuasion of that argument, and how it bleeds out into a larger cultural ethos, that I’m so interested in exploring.

    I think that we’ve already begun adjusting to that eventual demise and now we’re busy thinking about and exploring what that will look like.

    We live in strange times. With the multiple environmental crises that collectively represent the Anthropocene bearing down upon us, it isn’t just the existence of the natural world that is up for question – it’s the very question of our humanity. And not just if we survive, but what we will survive as even though many want to deny the fact we have 500 nuclear plants & keep building more. Yes I’d love to go to another dimension and be a dolphin with Mo Flow but on Earth the worst thing we will leave behind is radioactive meltdown. Let’s clean up for the sake of mother nature on our way out to play in some other space. Smart spirits must take account of everything we create. Evolution = responsibility.

  • Mark – Thanks so much for sharing as you have. It gives me a lot to think about – and feel. That’s why I come here to NBL. That’s a big part of what my life is about. I am going to take a bit to do a think (meditate) on it and get back to you soon. I am impressed by what you have shared. In the meantime I have a poem for Robin Datta to analyze:

    This life is a hospital where every patient is possessed with the desire to change beds; one man would like to
    suffer in front of the stove, and another believes that he would recover his health beside the window.
    It always seems to me that I should feel well in the place where I am not, and this question of removal is one
    which I discuss incessantly with my soul.
    ‘Tell me, my soul, poor chilled soul, what do you think of going to live in Lisbon? It must be warm there, and there
    you would invigorate yourself like a lizard. This city is on the sea-shore; they say that it is built of marble
    and that the people there have such a hatred of vegetation that they uproot all the trees. There you have a landscape
    that corresponds to your taste! a landscape made of light and mineral, and liquid to reflect them!’
    My soul does not reply.
    ‘Since you are so fond of stillness, coupled with the show of movement, would you like to settle in Holland,
    that beatifying country? Perhaps you would find some diversion in that land whose image you have so often admired
    in the art galleries. What do you think of Rotterdam, you who love forests of masts, and ships moored at the foot of
    My soul remains silent.
    ‘Perhaps Batavia attracts you more? There we should find, amongst other things, the spirit of Europe
    married to tropical beauty.’
    Not a word. Could my soul be dead?
    ‘Is it then that you have reached such a degree of lethargy that you acquiesce in your sickness? If so, let us
    flee to lands that are analogues of death. I see how it is, poor soul! We shall pack our trunks for Tornio. Let us go
    farther still to the extreme end of the Baltic; or farther still from life, if that is possible; let us settle at the Pole. There
    the sun only grazes the earth obliquely, and the slow alternation of light and darkness suppresses variety and
    increases monotony, that half-nothingness. There we shall be able to take long baths of darkness, while for our
    amusement the aurora borealis shall send us its rose-coloured rays that are like the reflection of Hell’s own
    At last my soul explodes, and wisely cries out to me: ‘No matter where! No matter where! As long as it’s out
    of the world!’
    Charles Baudelaire

    A clue, Robin: I am working on a piece entitled Escapist Trends in Traditional Indian Philosophy

  • +Tom You provided a link: http://www.sott.net/article/298246-More-methane-seeps-discovered-in-the-deep-ocean From the tabloid press, re-blogged from http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/06/24/more-methane-seeps-discovered-in-the-deep-ocean/ and really a story that is sourced directly from http://cage.uit.no/news/exceptional-view-deep-arctic-ocean-methane-seeps/

    Now why does all that matter? Well just read the comments on the wattsup website to see why. They, of course, are one of the largest global warming denier groups and are using this story to highlight that CO2 isn’t important.

    The sott website is pure trash, look at this article, http://www.sott.net/article/298335-NOAAs-own-data-reveals-that-global-climate-has-cooled-over-10-years

    It states in the title that the global climate has cooled and in the body they state the data shows that its the US that has cooled. They also reference watts and one of the greatest providers of disinformation Christopher Monckton.

    It would be great if in the future you try to reference the actual source of the information and try and keep it to peer reviewed literature. And don’t provide references back to denier supported websites.