Reframing Death

by WoodWose

A tribe once roamed the mountains of modern day Iran (some of them still do) — they are called the Bakhtiari — they are shepherding nomads: proud, resourceful, tough as nails. They moved each and every year, as they had done from time out of mind, up and down the mountain trails, moving with the seasons, moving to feed their flocks as the wind and weather, the solstices and sunrises dictated where the grass was greener, where the life was sweeter.

Each annual migration involved hardship, struggle, loss of life for both people and animals. They took with them only what they could carry, the rudiments of life as lived by the millennial nomad. The wool they wove was used to repair clothes worn day to day, their pots and pans numbered only enough. Their shoes, their tents, all of the simplest, most rugged form, were built to survive as long as possible, like the Bakhtiari themselves.

Every year there were rivers to cross: mountain rivers, raging rivers.


The effort to get man and woman, child and animal, chattels and foodstuffs across these rivers was a struggle every bit as “noble” as that of lauded Leonidas, Achilles or Chris Kyle . No one sang songs of the heroic Bakhtiari. No movies were made. None, that is, other than a brief appearance in a documentary series by Jacob Bronowski, The Ascent of Man (1973): Episode 2 of 13.


I have never forgotten that episode – a memory from my young years when I sat down to watch the program every week with my mother and father (whose interest was slight but who were happy to indulge the intellectual pretensions of their growing son). In that episode the Bakhtiari come upon a river in full spate. Kids (young goats) are lost in the torrent, men and women struggle to get their livestock, goods and children across the deadly, roiling water.

As they struggle up the further bank, grateful, urging their livestock up onto higher ground, they look back and see an old man, an elder of their tribe, sitting on the shore they have just left behind. He leans on his stick and looks at them with all the wisdom of human mortality in his eyes.

He cannot make the crossing. And no one will help him.

It is the law of life.

And Bronowski describes how this is part of their culture, that every year everyone must struggle to get across and that the old know there comes a day when they will not be able to do so.

Those on the further shore wave their goodbyes, there are no scenes of wailing and gnashing of teeth, there are no appeals to higher powers, there is only resignation, acceptance, sorrow.

The tribe moves forward, the animals and children in tow.


One speculates on the old man’s demise. Does he wait for starvation? Does he wait for wolves? Panthers? Does he cast himself into the river once the women and children are out of sight? Does he cut his wrists?


His thoughts as the tribe, his sons and daughters, his grandchildren and great grandchildren, perhaps his aged wife, move off into the distance and disappear, must be a song for the ages, a lament, a dirge. Perhaps he does sing – the program did not go into it – perhaps there is a song, or many songs available to a Bakhtiari tribesman who has accepted that his frail condition no longer justifies the effort his tribe would have to make to keep him alive another year.


This is an ancient realization experienced countless times before on the banks of other rivers, on other continents, in other centuries stretching back through the millennia: We grow old, we grow frail, we die.


There are stories – probably mostly false – of Inuit peoples who, upon realizing that their elders were no longer viable contributing members of the tribe, set them upon ice floes and pushed the ice out to sea (senilicide). No doubt if this occurred it was during times of starvation or other cultural stress. Other members chose such a fate for themselves and wandered off in the predawn dark or the midnight sun to lose themselves in the endless white wilderness, to embrace their death.


First Nations peoples, on the Great Plains or the foothills of the Rockies often chose to wander away from their communities, to choose a place of power, sing a song of death, and fade from this earth with dignity and with humility. This death song attributed to Tecumseh:


So live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart.

Trouble no one about their religion;

respect others in their view, and demand that they respect yours.

Love your life, perfect your life, beautify all things in your life.

Seek to make your life long and its purpose in the service of your people.

Prepare a noble death song for the day when you go over the great divide.

Always give a word or a sign of salute when meeting or passing a friend,

even a stranger, when in a lonely place.

Show respect to all people and grovel to none.

When you arise in the morning give thanks for the food and for the joy of living.

If you see no reason for giving thanks, the fault lies only in yourself.

Abuse no one and no thing, for abuse turns the wise ones to fools

and robs the spirit of its vision.

When it comes your time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled

with the fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep

and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way.

Sing your death song and die like a hero going home.


In opposition to these ideas, a recent case from our youth-obsessed, techno-decadent culture tells of an aged man in his hospital bed who, every time his heart stopped, received a jolt from the pacemaker embedded in his chest and was brought back, stunned, bewildered and confused from that ‘bourn from which no traveller returns’. His family begged the doctors to remove the ‘technological blessing’ from his body but they could not – their hands were tied by Gordian knots of ethical, economic and litigious bullshit. The family watched him suffer and sink deeper and deeper into exhaustion and confusion as his body fought with the intimate hardware that was torturing his final hours.


And hence, in the early 21c., faced with fraying ecosystems, political chicanery of the most perverted kind, economic piracy and overshoots on every vector of the planet’s integrity, a few brave humans began to realize that death had become a corrupt business – not death itself, but the prolongation of life and the denial and demonizing of death. They realized that the pharmaceutical companies and the medical profession had invaded and colonized yet another aspect of human life and that death itself had become not only commodified but also another economic chain around the lives of the working populace: medical debt.


Looking to the cultures of ancient Rome and modern Japan and Korea, they began a serious discussion on the blogosphere about the willing acceptance of death as a form of political statement: that those who lived lives of privilege in the developed countries owed something to the animal and plant kingdoms, owed something to the struggling millions of climate refugees, refugees of countless wars, the indigent, the slum dwellers.

They began to realize that a corrupt medical and legal profession that promoted the application of rank after rank of medical interventions to “save” hopelessly ill or dying patients, thereby ratcheting up enormous levels of debt to be passed on to family members, was as much a Faustian bargain as the other “elephants in the collective global living room”: the fossil fuel economy, an MIC economy and the travesty of global animal agriculture and destructive fisheries.


They called for a culture that began a serious discussion about DEATH: about euthanasia, about suicide, about dying with dignity, about humility in the face of our own mortality, both collectively and, more importantly, individually.

Some countries were more sympathetic to this dialogue than others. Some had in their public discourse found a way to transcend the old arguments based on philosophical or religious grounds, and some countries had actually offered opportunities for people to choose the manner of their own demise painlessly and compassionately.

Elsewhere the same old paradigms held sway, and people, often desperate, lonely, disenfranchised, desolate, continued to “off themselves” in the time worn ways: overdoses, pills, razor blades, nooses, a dive from a high place. In India farmers whose livelihoods had been held to ransom by merciless corporations who imprisoned them in a pyramid scheme of debt based on GMO seeds, agro-chemicals, fertilizers and pesticides, sometimes resorted to drinking the chemicals that were the emblem of their servitude and despair. But most quietly chose the more traditional methods to take themselves out of this world that had offered them so much in the ads and so little in the day to day.

Few gurus, pundits, politicos, comedians, priests, ministers, teachers or doctors would address the issue.

Elizabeth Kubler-Ross had long before defined a five step process that helped to frame the average reaction to a terminal diagnosis by a knowledgable medical expert. Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression and Acceptance had become almost universally accepted as an approach and a tool to help those who were fated to inhabit the center of the Venn diagram that exists between the diagnostic process and  the medical interventions designed to ‘prolong life’.

Nurses, doctors, palliative care workers of all kinds were very much aware of the difficulties surrounding ‘quality of life’ and the agonies physical, psychological and emotional of those ‘in process’. And aware too of the circle of family members and friends who would become witnesses to the dying process upon which the ‘victims’ were embarked.

The language of dying became a bone of contention for those concerned with this issue. Why, they asked is anyone who contracts a deadly disease and who seeks treatment referred to as a hero? The press was replete with stories of those, young and old, who “battled” against cancer (or any other debilitating disease), who “fought to the very end,” who “bravely defied the odds,” etc., etc., etc.

Why, they asked, was death always framed as some sort of serpent in the garden, some evil enemy that must be fought against tooth and syringe, until the last possible moment.

We are born, they argued, we die. If one is a blessing, surely the other must be too.

The philosophers also weighed in, the experts in religions old and new, the professors, the new age gurus, the channelers.


Eventually, the argument filtered down to those who were concerned about the earth’s ever-worsening environmental state. Those who were spokesperson’s on behalf of the biosphere began to see that a tsunami of death was on the human and non-human event horizon.

They could see that Western industrial hubris and entitlement were invoking a catharsis that would be global in scope and heart-rending in its effects. That people in poorer countries were much less guilty of invoking this wave and that every child born and raised under the Western model – whether a child of privilege in Brazil or China, India or Italy, was a greater cause of planetary mayhem than a host of children born in the Third World. Therefore, if that child in the developed countries was born into a childhood of medical care brought on by defects in genetics or the contracting of some dread disease, then the efforts to keep that child alive ratcheted up by several iterations its effect upon the biosphere as a whole. Resources committed to perpetuating the lives of the very young but sick and the very old and sick could no longer, they claimed, be morally justified when the world was filled with so many poor but healthy children struggling to survive.

The eugenicists had their say.

The ecumenicists had their say.

The philosophers had their say.

The religions…

The politicians…

The fanatics…


In the end a reframing was achieved. A disparate group of disaffected but compassionate individuals, mostly tied together by their association with the comments sections of certain “doomer” websites began to see a way to reframe DEATH.

They posited that our hubris about our own attempts at longevity, supported by a medical profession that constantly dangled the myth of immortality before us, was deeply embedded in our current dilemmas. Health regimens, fad diets, plastic surgery – the entire spectrum of products and services designed to perpetuate myths of beauty, youth and perfection were seen as part of the overall mess we had created for ourselves. The increasing incursions of nanotechnology into beauty products – with unknown future effects upon the biosphere – were also marked for reappraisal.


They also realized that the catchphrase that had come to dog the planet’s economic development — “Infinite Growth” — and had devolved into the tension, the metastasis, of infinite growth on a finite planet, was also deeply implicit in the issue of death. For humanity’s inchoate scrambling for more and more, for infinite growth, was an enormous evasion of a singular truth: infinite growth on a finite planet was a direct parallel to the attempt to achieve infinite growth in a finite body. Biology was the ultimate arbiter, and nature would bat last.


Associated with the reframing was the entire DEATH industry – thanatopraxis – as conceived and practised in the developed world: chemicals (formaldehyde, glutaraldehyde, formalin, phenol, methanol), coffins and funerals. Progress had been made with the advent of wicker coffins and even cardboard coffins, but these ideas remained on the fringes of culture and many, many cadavers were still routinely drained, pumped full of a chemical cocktail, lain in expensive wooden boxes (with copper, bronze, steel, gold or platinum fixtures) and placed in the ground to rot and leach out all those bizarre chemicals.


And as the oceans began inexorably to rise in the deltas and around the coastlines of the world, as the number of desperate climate refugees grew from thousands into millions, as the Mediterranean and the English Channel became clogged with boatloads of migrants, the blogosphere lit up with calls for voluntary suicide, for the establishment (formally or informally) of dying centers where people could go, enjoy a favourite last meal, a favourite last film, or musical experience (whether pre-recorded or played in situ on instruments freely available for the purpose).

Where they could spend 24 hours in exactly the manner in which they chose. Where were available swimming pools, spas, well-tended gardens both outside and inside, libraries, and video recording facilities to chat with friends and family overseas and/or to record a last will and testament or some more creative ‘goodbye’ to leave behind.

There should be, they said, within these dying centers studios for the production of art – paintings, sculpture and that it would be quite possible that for many people the intensity of the realization that they were living their final hours would help them produce artwork of profound beauty and accomplishment. These items could be bequeathed to others or saved in collections as a memento mori of those who had passed.


A momentum of support gathered behind this notion and a palliative care counsellor working in the slums of Nairobi came up with an alternative to Kubler-Ross’s Five Stages of Grief, she called it the Five Stages of Bliss:

Anger becoming Humility

Denial transmuting into Acceptance

Bargaining replaced by Giving

Depression metamorphosing into Celebration

Acceptance acknowledging a foundation of Joy.


She said in a press interview that Anger at the thought of one’s own demise was hubris; humility in the realization that we all must die brought a greater peace.

Denial changing to Acceptance allowed one to move forward, to not be frozen in denial, but to start to design the way one wished to spend one’s last months or days or hours.

Bargaining, she said was fruitless. Far better to engage in a project of Giving, eventually giving away as many of one’s possessions as one could achieve.

Depression she felt was perhaps the most challenging aspect of the ‘process’. But she said she had seen on numerous occasions that a small party given in honour of the dying person had lifted their spirits so much that she felt that a conscious determination to Celebrate every aspect of one’s final days was the most efficacious way to defeat – or at least make tolerable – the deep depression imminent death evokes.

And, finally, transmuting Acceptance – which she felt was too passive – into Joy, a more dynamic emotion, was the best follow through after Celebration. She spoke of spending time with a dying man, who had worked for decades helping the poor of the slums and who had told her that at the bottom of everything, in the deepest levels of meditation there is Joy. He had spoken to her of the dance of the atoms within us and the dance of the birds in the air, the fish in the sea. He had told her that behind all the manifestations of the world whether they be sad or happy, tragic or loving, there was and would always be an incomparable and measureless Joy.


There is a story of an old Indian man, a kind and gentle soul, who upon his deathbed spoke to his son and said that on the morrow he felt he would die, and that his son should not think of it as a sorrow for he was going to a better place. He told his son: “Do not grieve for me, for when death comes I will be a drop returning to the ocean.”

He then asked his son if he felt that he had been a good father to him. The son replied that both his mother and his father had shown every kindness to himself and his sister and that his memory would be cherished after he had gone.

That night the son stayed in the father’s room. The sister and mother came from time to time and then departed again to take care of some domestic chore or other. The father slept soundly through the night while the son looked out the window watching the stars pass gracefully overhead.

Come the dawn the father awoke, took a little soup that his wife fed him lovingly. A short time later, his wife and daughter near him, he asked his son if he felt that he had given him the wisdom he needed to face the world without his father.

The son replied that during the night he had thought about what the father had said regarding the drop returning to the ocean And he said he thought his father was wrong.

The father, surprised by this, asked his son to explain.

“Father, you are not a drop returning to the ocean for, based on all that you have taught me, I can see that when you die you are not a drop in the ocean but rather, at that moment, the ocean will be returning to you.”

The father smiled, squeezed the son’s hand, secure in the knowledge that he had succeeded in cultivating wisdom in his son. And with that, he died.


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Comments 113

  • Good stories Woodwose, thanks.

    A View From the Other 96%


    Exposing Lies of Empire by Andre Vltchek is an 800-page tour of the world between 2012 and 2015 without a Western tour guide. It ought to make you spitting-mad furious, then grateful for the enlightenment, and then ready to get to work.

    The 4% of us humans who have grown up in the United States are taught that our government means well and does good. As we begin to grasp that this isn’t always so, we’re duly admonished that all governments do evil — as if we were being simplistic and self-centered to blame Washington for too much. [read it all if interested]

    All the best on your western U.S. tour Guy!

  • Lawyerfish Ted Cruz “Reframes Death” for the Iranian People.

    Cruz advocates bunkerbuster bombs & big bloodshed for the entire culture of Iran/Persia.

    In just the first 1 & 1/2 minutes lawyerfish Cruz works the hawkish bloodthirsty crowd.

  • Robin – I guess I am still waiting for “the realized” to come down from their imagined plane of superiority above the rest of us and lend a hand in the ordinary work of trying to save our planet and ourselves, instead of endlessly preaching about their supposed superiority to all this mere samsara – a dismissive word for ordinary “unenlightened” life. I guess hell will have to freeze over to an incredible depth before these realized dudes lift a finger to provide any ordinary help to the rest of us….

    Now on to find out what treasures remain in My Precious Hope Chest…….

    #2 Imagination. Just the right dose of the right kind of BS will work wonders for anyone’s sense of hopefulness! Be sure to imbibe the right stuff, because there is a lot of really bogus stuff out there that could snuff you in a New York Minute. And even if you are using the genuine article – beware of OD-ing, this stuff is truly powerful; some people even say it is a master key to having a better more effective life.

    This product presents under a variety of names: Placebo Paradise, Heavenly Dreams, Make You Own Reality, Positive Mindset, etc. The name doesn’t matter, you want the stuff that really works for you. And don’t get bent out of shape trying to figure out how it works, just use it and you will know if it works or not. If you don’t experience good results, you are probably not using it correctly or don’t have the right stuff.

    So what’s the point? You are living in a totally screwed up world as a screwed up individual more or less f-d like everybody else. Major bummer. Help! How do I get out of or through this nightmare? Then you go to a yoga class or alternative healer or shaman or whatever and…..lo and behold they introduce you each in their own way to the stuff you have been looking for: Imagination!

    If you have the chutzpah to step into the magical realms of what if, you may come to understand more deeply the saying – The world is as you are. Happy trails to you in the lands of rosy makebelieve….

    Woodwose – As I was about to post the above I saw and read your sensitive and thought provoking essay on Death. I have had that reality not only on my left shoulder but in my face more times than I like to recall. I will respond at more length later….

  • Framing death in 12th century Persia.

    from the Rubyiat of Persian poet, Omar Khayyam.

    The ancient cultured civilization of Persia is now Iran.

    Some of the most beautiful/attractive/handsome people on the planet.

    Oh, threats of Hell and Hopes of Paradise!
    One thing at least is certain–This Life flies;
    One thing is certain and the rest is Lies;
    The Flower that once has blown for ever dies.

    Strange, is it not? that of the myriads who
    Before us pass’d the door of Darkness through,
    Not one returns to tell us of the Road,
    Which to discover we must travel too.

    The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
    Moves on: nor all your Piety nor Wit
    Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
    Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it.

    And that inverted Bowl they call the Sky,
    Whereunder crawling coop’d we live and die,
    Lift not your hands to It for help–for It
    As impotently moves as you or I.

  • Dear WoodWose,

    What an essay, so beautifully written and profound. I couldn’t help but read it twice straight away, one after the other, because it has a lovely lyrical rhythm that I found quite compulsive.

    You expressed in a wonderful story what is in my thoughts too.

    You are a gifted story teller.

  • WoodWose,

    “embrace their death”
    “a song of death”
    “This death song”
    “fear of death”
    “a noble death”
    “your death”
    “death had become a corrupt business”
    “death itself”
    “denial and demonizing of death”
    “death as a form of political statement”
    etc. etc. etc.
    There is no definition of “death” in this, or “life.”

    This is not a scientific post then?

    To know what “death” is don’t we have to know what “life” is?

    Reductionism and over simplification is too herky-jerky:

    The definition of life is as enormous a problem as the phenomenon of life itself. One could easily collect from the literature more than 100 different definitions, none satisfactory enough to be broadly accepted. What should the definition contain, to be suitable for all varieties of observable life? Humans, animals, plants, microorganisms. Do viruses also belong to life?

    (Putting A Face On Machine Mutation – 3, quoting The Scientist).

    The same goes for “death” then doesn’t it?

    If so:

    The definition of [death] is as enormous a problem as the phenomenon of [death] itself. One could easily collect from the literature more than 100 different definitions, none satisfactory enough to be broadly accepted. What should the definition contain, to be suitable for all varieties of observable [death]? Humans, animals, plants, microorganisms. Do viruses also belong to [death]?

    Nomeclature is the foundation of good understanding ( Good Nomenclature: A Matter of Life and Death ).

    Sometimes “I know it when I see it” is just a cop out.

  • A couple of clips perhaps to clarify:

    Someone with the handle NativeWire posted this on youtube with the following:
    Uploaded on Apr 4, 2009
    Recorded next to the river in the Great Smoky Mountains National Forest, April 2nd, 2009.
    This song came to me after my grandmother passed away, March 1998. I first sang it at her funeral. This song is on the drum, I ask it be used in a respectful way.

  • Izzy – Thanks for citing the article on chemo. I had a personal encounter that reflected the findings there. A friend of mine’s father developed lung cancer and was put on hospice expecting he would survive on oxygen and other measures for 3 or 4 weeks at most. I spoke to him about alternatives – he had already gone the chemo route – and he unexpectedly agreed to try my suggestions. I then suggested several herbal and other supplements in large doses. Curcumin, green tea, broccoli, pomegranate were some of the extracts. Within a short time he began to do better. After a couple of months he quit using oxygen, and began taking short walks. Two years later he was walking two miles every day and feeling good.

    He went in to have a check up and a scan, and the doctor informed him that the tumor was much reduced in size, but it was still there. I tried to explain to him that the presence of a small tumor was not anything to worry about given his general good health, and that it would probably shrink further and eventually disappear. Then he said the doc told him there was a new medicine that was not chemo which might rid him of the tumor. I looked it up on the web and told him it was very definitely chemo, but he would not listen and began treatment with the new drug. The MD also opined that the “stuff” he was taking (the supplements) might interfere with the new medicine, so he stopped using them. In six weeks he was dead. The doc informed his son that unfortunately “in a few cases” the drug “seemed” to accelerate the growth of the tumor, and his dad was just an unlucky victim of that.

    For various reasons I have made a study of cancer. A good place to start for anyone interested would be The Cancer Industry by Ralph Moss, followed by Knockout by Suzanne Somers. As two time Nobelist scientist Linus Pauling has said, “The war on cancer is largely a fraud.” When looking at wars of any kind it is instructive to follow the money. Or ask yourself “Cui bono?”

    Dredd – “Science” is not the only way, or even the most appropriate way to approach the mystery of death. Our poetry and our songs, our tears and our compassion, and our grateful awe in the face of this great conclusion to our brief days in the sun have profound value in this regard.

  • WoodWose ~

    thank you for a very beautiful essay.

    He had told her that behind all the manifestations of the world whether they be sad or happy, tragic or loving, there was and would always be an incomparable and measureless Joy.

    so much yes!


    Gerald ~ sorry to see you are still not just a bigot, but a pukey little icon of hatred. of course you will find company. haters always have company. it is one of the gratifications of those tribes. brother Nathanael seems to be right on the mark for your particular tribe.

    feel free to get a clue someday in this lifetime, or one of your next. you will eventually need to, but in the meantime, as before, please enjoy your bondage. you might as well get the ego run out of it that you need to, and then move on. maybe we can get you on an accelerated program.

    I know! you can quote more of the greats, and get ego strokes by association. that will both absolve you, and speed things right along. fer sure.


    mike k ~

    I am really enjoying the Treasures from the Hope Chest! so far, so totally awesome.

    If you have the chutzpah to step into the magical realms of what if, you may come to understand more deeply the saying – The world is as you are. Happy trails to you in the lands of rosy makebelieve….

    when traveling the far beyond magic trails, the right focused tools of imagination are absolutely essential gear.

  • Hatred demonstrated by whom???

    Sniveling bought politicos & lawyerfish on retainer to Israel; Ted Cruz & Marco Rubio, as well as their applauding audience, weren’t clearly demonstrating vicious & murderous hatred toward the completely innocent Iranian people?

    Added with their preposterous outright lying makes for kindly compassion & humanistic understanding?

  • before we used to watch tv all together in groups

    now, persons who are supposed to care for the planet are endlessly watching videos on internet alone, mobilizing an AMAZING quantity of resources for our/their private satisfaction, answering the propositions of “you should watch this, and that”
    and “thanks for this, and thanks for that”

    and some here
    supposedly more aware than the masses
    say we could have gone a different path?
    less egotistic?
    less destructive?

    give me a break
    anyone opening all those proposed videos
    and watching them alone
    burning oil and coal in the comfort of whatever dwellings they inhabit
    to indulge in this miracle that is youtube (for the moment)
    are part of the problem
    just like me

    the hen and the egg problem:

  • WoodWose,

    Very personal.

    What tribe are you from? How did u get your name?

  • Gerald ~ yep yep yep. same old same old from you.

    no worries, sometimes these little rough patches get strung out into something a wee bit gross, but eventually (I don’t know, maybe a dozen lifetimes, maybe a million years, hard to say really) things do turn around.

    you know, I was watching the brother Nathanael video, and was fascinated, and pained, to see the alternating movements of both hatred and an undercurrent of agony flowing and flickering across his eyes, and his “smile” (ugh, hard to call whatever it is that his gums and teeth do a smile).

    I was so fascinated I decided to check out his website. along with him holding a placard on a street corner saying “Jews are Anti-Christ,” in red and black all-caps, were a bunch of pics of him in various shades of loony, with that same look of hatred, and the same flickering undercurrent of agony.

    that agony ~ it is the pain of a soul trapped in a true Hell of a lifetime. writhing in self-loathing, as those twisted words and deeds flow forth, and it is not strong enough to step forward and do anything to intervene.

    oh well. this look is to be found in many places, and has been for ages. nothing new there, just different versions of infinite creation combined with curiosity and freedom, doing its thing.

    unfortunately, it is poisonous creation, so it needs to be called out, and recognized and stopped, by all who wish to live, and create, in harmony, peace and love. just as easy and necessary as keeping the rabbits out of the vegetable patch with a fence, or pulling weeds that are getting out of hand.

  • Mo flo – I like this story about Jeanne D’Arc: When she was captured and brought before the Captain he said, “I hear you have visions, you hear things. That’s all imagination!” Jeanne quietly replied, “Yes. Imagination – that is how we contact God.”

  • @WoodWose

    Thank you so much for reframing Death. Yes, modern culture really needs to reframe Death. And it’s also some of Dr. McPhersons primary and noble tasks as far as I can see. To quote him:

    Living with Death in mind

    Yes, I really second that because we learn so much from Death… about Life :-) And also thanks very much for quoting the Death Song attributed to Tecumseh, I highly appreciate it!

    @Robin Datta

    And there are as many paths up the mountain as there are travellers to its one peak.

    Yes, I do really second that _()_

    … EveryOne is jealous about his very own Fire within his very own Heart for his very own Reasons- Shine on, you crazy Diamonds, Shine on, Shine on… :-)

    @Gerald Spezio

    Thank you very much for quoting The Rubaiyat. Well, if Death should be the ultimate End, I do really feel comfortable with it, nothing to fear then, because then nobody will miss anything anymore when he is dead, so I can embrace Death by Heart if it should be the ultimate End, I wouldn’t miss anything, I’d just dive into sweet Shunyata. So, again, Death teaches to let loose, to let go, to get free then :-)


    Yeah, it’s the Sound, it’s the Music, it’s the Vibe that keeps me alive, Music is medicine for the Heart, the Sould and the mind. Thank you very much for that CYMTICS thangie, just amazing !

    @mike k

    … you want the stuff that really works for you

    Yes, yes, that’s what real good doctors say: Take the medicine that suits best for you :-)

    The world is as you are

    Well, pssst, I heard that some “realized beeings” said that too 8-)


    Really good point: What is Death? What is Life? I can’t find any significant distinction. To blossom is to wither, to wither is to blossom. Anybody who flees withering, flees blossom and vice versa.

    The very first step to awakening in Siddharta Gautama’s life were to realize Age, Desease and Death. It was that realisation that led him to true Freedom and Deathless Nirvana later on:

    “ Whatever exists therein of material form, feeling, perception, thoughts and consciousness, he sees these states as impermanent, unsatisfactory and non-self. He turns his mind away from those states, and directs it towards the Deathless.

    Gautama Buddha

    @mo flow (and anybody who cares)

    Just for you:

  • Cruz & Rubio openly calling for a malicious & murderous attack on the innocent Iranian people is NOT “poisonous,” “needing to be called out,” & “recognized & stopped?”

    Is this not hateful & poisonous anti-Iranism?

    If the Iranians say that deceitful Cruz & Rubio are delivering vicious “hate speech,” then the Iranians are guilty of hateful antiSemitism?

    Maliciously advocating the pre-emptive murder of innocent Iranians is demonstrating a “wish to live, create, in harmony, peace and love?

    It is more than instructive that both Cruz & Rubio both lead the anti-scientific assault against clearly evidenced global heating & climate change.

  • Thanks mo for confronting Gerald’s ugly hatred of Jews. There are plenty of rational critics of Israel’s policies from among their own people, like Noam Chomsky. What is not needed is for crazy voices like Gerald’s trying to muddle the issues and conflate legitimate criticisms with senseless prejudice and hatred. We hear the same neo-Nazi lies from fascists everywhere these vermin are found. They seek to use the respect we have for freedom of speech to try to spread their lies. As you demonstrate mo, the way to counter them is to call them out and not be silent in the face of their program of lies. Our silence can smack of acquiescence.

  • ^ mike k, I couldn’t have said it better. thank you. :O)

    Curious, your light here is so wonderful and refreshing! what a beautiful spirit. many thanks, and thank you for the supremely lovely gift. :O)

  • @mike k,

    “Dredd – ‘Science’ is not the only way, or even the most appropriate way to approach the mystery of death. Our poetry and our songs, our tears and our compassion, and our grateful awe in the face of this great conclusion to our brief days in the sun have profound value in this regard.”

    I love you even tho you are a publican.



    Really good point: What is Death? What is Life? I can’t find any significant distinction. To blossom is to wither, to wither is to blossom. Anybody who flees withering, flees blossom and vice versa.”

    I love you even tho you are not a publican.

    My bud Tom tolk me all you dudes and duddettes are Bud ists.


    Come on over to my pad and we will have some Coors.

  • Jacob Bronowski, The Ascent of Man: YouTube playlist

    “This is an ancient realization experienced countless times before on the banks of other rivers, on other continents, in other centuries stretching back through the millennia: We grow old, we grow frail, we die.”

    Another example in this story, fictional, but based on facts:

    Savage Innocents YouTube playlist

  • A beautiful rendition of death and of its relative importance in Bakhtiari society. Easy come, easy go. Thanks for the interesting article. Perhaps one element of Bakhtiari society which is most endearing to me is the fact that Bakhtiaris are known to be basically agnostic. Even though they are labeled as Muslims, Muslems as they call themselves, they have less belief in the Koran or Bible than most other Arab sects. This condition for me is most endearing and interesting. Even though they are tribal and adhere to traditional unions with respect to marriage and to arranged marriages, the repercussions for women not adhering to traditions appears to me minimal, with the prophet Mohammed an unimportant figure in the eyes of this tribe. If this is so, it is surprising that their position is accepted or tolerated in Iran as a whole.

    If a tribal people can be as liberated from oppressive religions as Bakhtiaris are known to be, then my ideas and thoughts about tribal cultures has entered unknown territory.

  • When death comes
    like the hungry bear in autumn
    when death comes and takes all the bright coins from his purse

    to buy me, and snaps his purse shut;
    when death comes
    like the measle-pox;

    when death comes
    like an iceberg between the shoulder blades,

    I want to step through the door full of curiosity, wondering;
    what is it going to be like, that cottage of darkness?

    And therefore I look upon everything
    as a brotherhood and a sisterhood,
    and I look upon time as no more than an idea,
    and I consider eternity as another possibility,

    and I think of each life as a flower, as common
    as a field daisy, and as singular,

    and each name a comfortable music in the mouth
    tending as all music does, toward silence,

    and each body a lion of courage, and something
    precious to the earth.

    When it’s over, I want to say: all my life
    I was a bride married to amazement.
    I was a bridegroom, taking the world into my arms.

    When it’s over, I don’t want to wonder
    if I have made of my life something particular, and real.
    I don’t want to find myself sighing and frightened
    or full of argument.

    I don’t want to end up simply having visited this world.

    ~ Mary Oliver ~

  • Woodwose,

    I very much enjoyed your essay! For anyone interested, the documentary How to Die in Oregon captures death with dignity quite well. If anything, it helps one to imagine how they may experience the process of coming to terms with death.

    Part 1:

    Part 2:

  • Seems to me there is this great debate about how to kill in our penal system. Stories abound of screw-ups.

    There are really simple ways of dying that are quite serene, apparently. What all the fuss about. Guess you gotta be somewhere doing something?

  • Good stuff Woody, I can’t usually stand reading that much stuff.

    I remember the Adams Family when Morticia would cut the petals off her roses.

    Here’s what the falling petals meant.



    MIC = OIL


    The biggest bubble in human history pops next year.

    Humanity fights for food and water in 10 years.

    Post peak energy and minerals starts in less than 30 years.

    There are not enough minerals for 100% renewable energy.

    Irreversible, runaway mass extinction starts in 30 years.

    There is not enough land for carbon-negative bio-energy.

    Human agriculture ends in 60 years.

    Oxygen depletion goes exponential.

    Magnetic pole shift allows sun to burn earth for up to 1,000 years.

    Any surviving humans will be forced underground.

    All this will be an ever so very terribly unpleasant process.

  • mo flow – you been nippin the shrooms again?? Cause you have obviously lost it !!

    Many see Israel as the most hateful, cruel, and inhumane nation of warmongers on the planet — blind support like yours for the lies that make it all possible is all the deceiviers have left. The truth leaks out leaving only true believers like you sniveling **oh no it can’t be – not my beloved Isreal**

    And so you run around the dog lot yelping *haters* and other PC nonsense to deflect criticism from some of the most inhumane monsters in history’

    Geralds truth is a breath of fresh air. Your nonsense is pathetic.

  • Woodwose – a great essay – eloquent and enlightened, many thanks.
    The pressure to spend vast sums of money (and resources) by pushing the bravery label onto the dying is a marketing ploy. It implies that anyone who chooses not to do this is a coward. But check out this article on how doctors die:
    …”It’s not a frequent topic of discussion, but doctors die, too. And they don’t die like the rest of us. What’s unusual about them is not how much treatment they get compared to most Americans, but how little. For all the time they spend fending off the deaths of others, they tend to be fairly serene when faced with death themselves. They know exactly what is going to happen, they know the choices, and they generally have access to any sort of medical care they could want. But they go gently….”
    Full article:

  • Bob S.

    you think I am defending the gov’t of Israel?

    a tad confused, you are.


    apologies for the overpost. it seems that Gerald and Bob S are fighting over who gets the 5th brain cell. just flip a coin guys!

  • Mo – Oh, so now it’s my fault you routinely ignore the two post rule?


    you think I am defending the gov’t of Israel?


    No, you are defending the lies that pretend to make its genocidal behavior acceptable.

  • Bob S. and Gerald S.-

    No desire to engage either of you in any kind of conversation, so I will state this – but not respond to anything either of you say.
    To use the term ‘jews’ when you are actually talking about ‘Isrealis’ is wrong.
    An analogy would be to refer to all catholics as murderers because of the catholic inquisition, in which ‘the church’ murdered and tortured millions of spanish, european, and south american natives during their insane push for wealth for the vatican. (It also contains the roots of anti-semitism, btw.)

  • Just what are you defending, mo?

    You have openly admitted to your Jewish Talmudic chosenness.

    Indeed, you openly said that you are proud of being chosen by your own special God.

    You are openly proud of the blind racist hatred of fundamentalist Talmudic chosenness & the Talmudic exclusion of non Jews?

    No wonder the genocidal butchery & murder of the caged Palestinians in the Gaza Concentration Camp is so easily “justifiable.”

    You condemn me for exposing despicable presidential candidates, Cruz & Rubio, as preening Frankenstein monsters cheerleading for the outright murder of innocent Iranians, as their big bucks Jewish sponsors gloat.

    Cruz & Rubio say that they are more than willing to murder Iranians for Israel & their petty careers, but it must not be “called out.”

    Criticism of calls for preemptive murder of innocent people by superficial yuppie political careerists is anti-Semitism?

    You have the audacity to attack the intelligence of honest observers of blatant ongoing Israeli murder & mayhem.

    Who is filled with blind fundamentalist anti-human hatred here?

  • Bob S ~ I am responsible for breaking the two post rule whenever I do such a thing.

    defending lies? you still seem very confused about things.

    Gerald ~ oh please. I am not even Jewish. you are way more confused than poor Bob S here, so I guess you lost the toss.

  • Wren, that’s a great article. This is another along similar lines:

    @mike k, “unfortunately “in a few cases” the drug ‘seemed’ to accelerate the growth of the tumor”.

    When I was treated for ovarian cancer in 2013, I was offered the non-choice of carboplatin/taxol chemotherapy (I say “non-choice” because they would have ceased following me as a patient if I declined). I could not find literature that described a clear benefit to this treatment for my stage, grade and type of cancer, yet I was assured it was the standard protocol. It was impossible to discuss this with the oncologist, who presented it to me in these (seemingly) black and white terms: “If you go through chemotherapy, there is an excellent chance you will be cured; however, if you have a recurrence, it will be fatal.” Notice the sleight-of-hand in those cleverly paired statements.

    Just my bringing up not doing chemo disconcerted everyone.. they seemed to think it akin to committing suicide, yet:

    “Since [adjuvant chemotherapy] did not improve the long-term [disease-free survival] and [cancer-specific survival] rates, it is of utmost importance that surgeons avoid tumor rupture during surgery.” [My tumor did not rupture.]

    “Patients were randomized to receive either adjuvant carboplatin AUC 7 every 28 days for 6 courses (n=81), or no adjuvant treatment (n=81). Progression was observed in 20 patients in the treatment group and in 19 in the control group. Estimated 5-year [disease-free survival] and [disease-specific survival] were 70% and 86% in the treatment group and 71% and 85% in the control group, respectively. …

    “Because of the small number of patients, the study was inconclusive with regard to the question of adjuvant chemotherapy.”

    No one wanted to talk seriously to me about this. I was made to feel like “you will die if you don’t do chemo”.

    Soon, all this will be a moot point, as it will become too expensive to administer even “cheap” chemo drugs. Just the quarterly CT scans I am supposed to undergo as part of the “protocol” have a list price of $8k apiece (my cost, a low, low $2k with a “gold” Obamacare plan). I have better things to do with that $2k, so I haven’t done any scans since the post-chemo one that came back with “no evidence of residual disease”.

    Dozens of ladies on an Ovarian Cancer forum I follow are on the popular “maintenance” drug, Avastin. “One study published in the New England Journal of Medicine reported that bevacizumab [Avastin] extended life by 4.7 months (20.3 months versus 15.6 months) at a cost of $42,800 to $55,000.”

  • oops! Messed up the bolding, sorry..

    @Woodwose, thank you for one of the better essays I have read in this space.

  • @mo, did you fix that? Thanks!
    (You can delete this.)

    ~ yes. things like clear mistakes with bolding, italics, etc, I will fix whenever I see them.

  • ‘pharmaceutical companies and the medical profession had invaded and colonized yet another aspect of human life and that death itself had become not only commodified but also another economic chain around the lives of the working populace: medical debt.’

    woodwose, what a coincidence this fine essay of yours was published here on nbl the same day i earlier chose to re-read a very fine and inspirational true story about the life and death of sue rodriguez, a canadian woman dying from ALS (lou gehrig’s disease) who made headlines over 20 years ago when she made a public appeal and a court case for legalizing assisted suicide for the terminally ill and suffering. it got me thinking along very similar lines to those expressed in your essay, which i’ve only just begun. re. the quote above, it reminds me of my mother’s agonizing, cruelly prolonged hospital death (she was resuscitated once, only to suffer a few more days, during which of course the exorbitant extortionist hospital bill for her last week of life was greatly increased. it came out to something like $10,000 american dollars for a week, and that was over 31 years ago!

    deep sigh!

    how utterly crass and cruel! to pile on a burden of unearned and undeserved financial debt upon the already heavy load of grief and personal loss to a family of surviving spouse and children. similar to the funeral providers industry, ghouls looking and succeeding at getting rich off of the misfortune of others. i remember my father asked for and received an itemized bill from the hospital, incredulous at the sum total. it was a long, long list of petty services and provisions whose cost were obscenely marked up, like, for example, charging $1 for each aspirin pill! fucking assholes! shit like this makes me almost grateful, make that in a way grateful, that the civilization i’m a part of faces relatively imminent collapse. it may be a case of out of the frying pan, and into the fire, or looking forward to cutting off one’s nose to spite the face, but it’s damned gratifying to know that soon such utterly repulsive financial predation will be a thing of the past. it’s cold comfort, but comfort indeed, to think so.

    i’ve other business to attend to, and probably won’t be returning to this blog until tomorrow, so for now i’ll just go ahead and send this, finish your essay tomorrow, hopefully also catch up on the comments, and have more to say then. btw, i loved the tecumseh death song quote, too. i googled it, just to make sure u weren’t making it up. u weren’t!

  • Who is filled with blind fundamentalist anti-human hatred here?

    The one who feels it knows it.

    Hatred is one of the maincauses of the mess we are in today. Hatred is pain. Hatred is the opposite of freedom. Hatred constricts the Heart, constricts the chest, a hateful face is always a painful face. I know hatred, because sometimes I felt it too. But I learned to overcome it, I wanted to get free from hatred, because hatred is a real pain in the arse. Hatred is a symptom, a desease. It is a symptom of self-hatred. Only who can love themselves can love others and vice versa. Hatred feels stiff, petty, it’s hard to breath, to think clearly and act prospectively under the dictate of hatred. Hatred is a fetter, captivity, but not freedom.

    Love and understanding is really a profitable thangie, because Love and Understanding sets free, makes the breath wide, makes the chest wide, makes the heart wide, makes the mind wide and free and it’s for free, it costs no money. A loving and understanding face is always a happy face. Love and Understanding reduces the pain in the world, reduces my pain and reduces the pain of others. There is more than enough pain already. Let’s get free from sucking hatred.

  • Thanks Lidia.
    I am way old enough to die, and have lived a life full of love and wonder.
    I often think about how to face my own death with some semblance of grace. Ideally I would choose some version of the elder left on the river bank or along the trail. My way of doing this is to not seek medical treatment or even diagnosis for anything that could be fatal.
    There are many reasons, one is cost, like you mentioned. Another is that it would be extremely hypocritical for me to consent to any treatment, the development of which involved animal experimentation; that having always been an issue for me. And finally, I want to be able to face death with a certain nobility of spirit that comes with awareness and knowledge.

    Too bad about the hippocratic oath. It would be great to have doctors who could actually work with patients to enhance the death experience.

    In a conversation with a friend on the subject of endogenous dmt and the near death experience, my friend was concerned that not all humans deserve to experience the realm of quantum heaven via our own dmt, and suggested that perhaps acts of kindness help build up our stores of this chemical, and acts of meanness and aggression deplete it…. I hope so. It would be comforting to know that there are consequences to our actions, but I suppose the fact that we’re killing our own planet is consequence enough, it just doesn’t mete out justice in the way I would prefer.

  • seconds before I die, I’d like to turn a bunch of sociopaths into fertilizer ! finally! some satisfaction.

  • the trouble is, where do you start?

  • is that hate mo?

  • I never understood why in hades people are so inclined to take out a bunch of school kids or movie goers and not the top CEOs meeting of one of the fundamental causes of your problem. Jensen’s Endgame Premise Four: Civilization is based on a clearly defined and widely accepted yet often unarticulated hierarchy. Violence done by those higher on the hierarchy to those lower is nearly always invisible, that is, unnoticed. When it is noticed, it is fully rationalized. Violence done by those lower on the hierarchy to those higher is unthinkable, and when it does occur is regarded with shock, horror, and the fetishization of the victims.

  • great bbc docu about life called ”life”…on netflickers…amazing photography…youll never be able to kill an insect again. I sat and cried watching a hornet trying to build a nest this week.

  • I completely agree wester…especially bankers with vanity plates on their limos that read…”doing gods work”.

  • For those who think that Kali is not known by any other names

    A warning about anger (and its corollary, hatred):

    “While contemplating the objects of the senses, a person develops attachment for them, and from such attachment lust develops, and from lust anger arises. From anger, complete delusion arises, and from delusion bewilderment of memory. When memory is bewildered, intelligence is lost, and when intelligence is lost one falls down again into the material pool. BG 2:62-63

  • This is gently and brilliantly humane, WoodWose. I am in tears from reading it – it’s such an intimate part of the journey back from the grip of Death-in-Life that I just began last night.

    Let me set Dylan Thomas straight on the matter:

    Go gentle into that good night.
    Rage not against the dying of the light.

  • WoW! NBL “hospice” perspective gets mainstream recognition!!!

    I’m thinking a Pulitzer…or at least a Webby…should be coming soon!


    WASHINGTON—Saying there were no other options remaining and that continued intervention would only prolong the nation’s suffering, experts concluded Tuesday that the best course of action is to keep the United States as comfortable as possible until the end.

    According to those familiar with its condition, the country’s long, painful decline over the past several decades has made it clear that the most compassionate choice at this juncture is to do whatever is possible to ensure America is at ease during its last moments.

    “We need to accept the fact that the U.S. doesn’t have long—simply helping it pass that time in comfort is the humane thing to do,” said economist Danielle Martin, speaking on behalf of a large group of experts ranging from sociologists and historians to lawmakers and environmentalists, all of whom confirmed they had “done everything [they] could.” “Attempting to stabilize the country in its current enfeebled state would not only be extremely expensive, but it would also cause unnecessary agony as it enters this final stage. With how hard the nation is struggling to perform even basic functions, letting it meet its end naturally is the merciful decision here.”

    Added Martin: “At the end of the day, it’s nearly 240 years old—what can you reasonably expect?”

    Others agreed with Martin, saying that, with America having gradually become a weak, almost unrecognizable shadow of its former self, the priority now should be ensuring that it is given whatever palliative support it needs and using the remaining time to put the nation’s affairs in order.

    Sources also emphasized that citizens who have not already begun to emotionally prepare themselves for the country’s demise should begin to do so.

    “At a time like this, it’s completely understandable to wish for some kind of 11th-hour miracle, but expecting the U.S. to somehow magically return to the way it was in its prime isn’t healthy or realistic,” said Georgetown University researcher Andrew Fischer, who later stressed that just because the nation still has “the occasional good day,” this should not cause anyone to get their hopes up for a sudden recovery. “It’s important to manage expectations and realize that sometime very soon, we’re all going to have to say goodbye.”

    “We just need to remember all the good times we had,” Fischer continued. “Like the moon landing—that was really nice, wasn’t it?”

    Many of those with close ties to the United States said they were having difficulty coming to terms with the country’s imminent passing, but that letting it go peacefully was ultimately for the best.

    “At one point, I would’ve done anything if it meant having America around for just a little longer, but I can’t watch it slowly waste away like this anymore,” said Tampa, FL resident Kathy Muniz, adding that it “breaks [her] heart” when she sees how hard the U.S. struggles to put on a brave face and pretend that everything is fine. “The kindest thing now is to just do what we can to keep the nation’s spirits up while nature takes its course.”

    “Really, I think any country in America’s position would want the same,” Muniz added.

  • Some articles from Desdemona Despair this morning [the site was down last week] – the first two are somewhat connected.

    Louisiana governor signs bill to kill lawsuit against oil, gas companies – ‘I’m sure BP will use it for appeals’

    Gov. Bobby Jindal has signed legislation aimed at killing a lawsuit filed by a New Orleans area regional levee board against 97 oil and gas companies, despite concerns that the new law could negatively affect state and government claims against BP over the 2010 Gulf of Mexico oil spill.

    “This bill will help stop frivolous lawsuits and create a more fair and predictable legal environment, and I am proud to sign it into law,” Jindal said in a written statement Friday (June 6).

    The oil and gas industry, which lobbied heavily in favor of the bill, cheered Jindal’s decision to sign it. But Louisiana’s Attorney General and local officials in parishes that have sued BP expressed renewed concerns. Environmentalists decried Jindal’s action, saying it could have long-lasting negative consequences for the state. [read the rest]

    [and, to further underline Guy’s assertion that denial is an industry]

    Secretive donors gave U.S. climate denial groups $125 million over three years

    (The Guardian) – The secretive funders behind America’s conservative movement directed around $125m (£82m) over three years to groups spreading disinformation about climate science and committed to wrecking Barack Obama’s climate change plan, according to an analysis of tax records.

    The amount is close to half of the anonymous funding disbursed to rightwing groups, underlining the importance of the climate issue to US conservatives.

    The anonymous cash flow came from two secretive organisations – the Donors Trust and Donors Capital Fund – that have been called the “Dark Money ATM” of the conservative movement. [more]


    Iceberg influx into Atlantic during last ice age raised tropical methane emissions

    A new study shows how huge influxes of fresh water into the North Atlantic Ocean from icebergs calving off North America during the last ice age had an unexpected effect – they increased the production of methane in the tropical wetlands.

    Usually increases in methane levels are linked to warming in the Northern Hemisphere, but scientists who are publishing their findings this week in the journal Science have identified rapid increases in methane during particularly cold intervals during the last ice age.

    These findings are important, researchers say, because they identify a critical piece of evidence for how the Earth responds to changes in climate. [read why and how]



    from Robert Scribbler TODAY.

    Leland Palmer / June 10, 2015

    I think Hansen is a great scientist. I agree with just about everything he says.

    But when he says “well first we have to melt the ice sheets” before we can have a methane catastrophe, I get a feeling of wrongness – I doubt it. The main reason I doubt it is because of the tremendously accelerated rate of fossil fuel emissions, compared to past probable methane catastrophe triggering events. I also wonder if it is possible to have a methane catastrophe happening in Siberia, for example, while Greenland melts and Antarctica remain relatively intact.

    For one thing, methane hydrate inventories could be at the high end of available estimates. Gerald Dickens, another great scientist, thinks that the most recent estimates are too low, too, preferring the consensus estimates of a few years ago of 5-20 trillion tons of carbon. Some of the estimates have run as high as 75 trillion tons. The more hydrate we have, likely the faster the crisis will develop.

    For another thing, there is a subclass of methane hydrates that are associated with high salt content that could be drastically less stable than most methane hydrate deposits. These hydrate deposits are at the triple point of the solid/liquid/gas system, and can have fast transport of methane throughout the entire deposit. They could also be exquisitely sensitive to temperature. The salt is left behind as the hydrate crystals form, and so the high salt contents develop naturally, when hydrate formation deposits salt faster than it can diffuse away into surrounding sediments and sea water. A loosely estimated 50 billion tons of carbon could be in these high salt deposits, but actually nobody knows how common they are.

    I fear that the hydrate deposits will activate when warmed – change not just quantitatively but qualitatively as well. The way I visualize it, the first to dissociate will likely be the high salt “triple point” deposits, and these will discharge as much as 70 percent of their mass as methane fairly quickly.

    At the same time, the relict hydrates that actually exist outside the hydrate stability zone will start to dissociate. These hydrates probably formed under the high pressure conditions under ice sheets and are left over from past ice ages, and have been kept stable by permafrost. Large portions of the ESAS hydrates and the layer of relict methane hydrate that probably exists under large areas of Siberia including the Yamal peninsula will start to blow. On land, this will create craters that evolve by subsidence into circular lakes.

    As gas releases increase from the conventional hydrates, gas driven pumping will increase the flow of sea water through the hydrate deposits, activating them. This will destroy the validity of existing calculations of methane release rates from the hydrates, I think. Like ice sheets, I think it’s likely that hydrates have an active phase, involving gas flow up the known chimneys in hydrate deposits, and compensating flow of sea water into the buoyant channels, made less dense than seawater and therefore buoyant by their methane bubble content.

    Existing modeling makes the circular argument that one dimensional models can simply be integrated over the area of the hydrate deposits, and therefore methane release from the hydrates will be slow and orderly, limited by heat flow. I think a more dynamic three dimensional model is necessary, one dominated by mass flow. The existing modeling is a best case scenario, I think, and is very likely to be wrong.

    It might also be possible to construct a mass flow mechanism using mud, instead of sea water. Mud containing gas bubbles would be less dense than surrounding mud, and so a slow viscous mass flow mechanism could occur. Hydrate deposit activation could be a mixture of gas driven mud flow and gas driven sea water pumping.

    We cannot assume that the ice sheets will save us from a methane catastrophe, I think. This is an experiment without a control that can only be done once, and scientific conservatism and skepticism should be on the side of caution, not on the side of skepticism about practices and predictions deviating from business as usual.

  • DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE; Muddling the facts & distorting the science.

    Leland Palmer / June 10, 2015

    Some links supporting the above post:

    Gerald Dickens

    Down the Rabbit Hole: toward appropriate discussion of methane
    release from gas hydrate systems during the Paleocene-Eocene
    thermal maximum and other past hyperthermal events.

    ” In the last ten years, estimates have ranged from 500-2500 Gt (Milkov,2004), ∼700–1200 Gt (Archer et al., 2009), and 4–995 Gt (Burwicz et al., 2011) to 74 400 Gt (Klauda and Sandler,2005). The latter is almost assuredly too high (Archer, 2007).The others are probably too low”

    In this paper, Gerald Dickens discusses what he appears to believe is inappropriate discussion and muddling of the facts surrounding methane hydrate dissociation.

    To me, the muddling appears associated with oil corporation involvement. Milkov worked for BP when he made his low estimates, and Archer co-authors scientific papers with ExxonMobil chief scientist Kheshgi and works for the Unviersity of Chicago, founded and funded with oil money.

    Burwicz has made strange, muddled statements widely quoted on Fox News and in the climate science denial press, leading to some discussion of whether he is a climate science denier – charges he vigorously denies.

  • Lidia – You might want to try the herbal concentrates path. It is relatively inexpensive and pretty much side effects free. If you want you could also contact a practitioner with a lot of experience helping people deal with cancer naturally. If you are interested in that, which I would strongly recommend, check out Jeanne Wallace’s web site below. The herbs I recommend are part of her protocol including concentrated extracts of green tea, curcumin, broccoli, pomegranate. Cheapest source for these is Vitacost on the web. Take one of each four times a day for one month, then three a day for the next month, then 2 a month, then one of each once every day for maintenance. Try it – your body might like it! There is growing scientific validation of the efficacy of these healing plant essences.

    Paul C – Poor Dylan. He died an alcoholic death just before he was due to honor a friend of mine’s invitation to speak to us at the U. of Chicago. His famous poem perhaps reflects some of the anger that characterizes some members of my own Irish father’s clan. I have often made the change in the poem that you did in my mind – part of healing the dark side of my inheritance….

    Curious – Couldn’t agree more with you about eliminating hatred from our minds and hearts. The Spiritual Growth Network meetings I attend every week close with a brief silent meditation, after which someone will often intone, “May we all grow in love and understanding – together.”

    What I want to ask you about your continued experience of your transcendent revelation is whether this continued conscious contact was due to your intentionally recalling it in order to hold on to it, or was it just a natural thing that required no special effort on your part? Strangely, after my experience of that priceless Pearl of Perfect LovePeaceWisdom or SatChitAnanda – I felt I was not supposed to try to grasp and hold on to it, but should wait in patience until It decided to visit me again. In recent years I have begun to think that was a mistaken idea on my part. One of the teachers I have studied – Paul Brunton – gives specific exercises for remembering and vividly re-experiencing our Divine Encounter in every way we can. I would value your thoughts on this brother….

  • Bodhi Paul ~

    “the journey back from the grip of Death-in-Life that I just began last night.”

    oh, why so mysterious? Gary Gripp? a bit of wordplay? this is so interesting! (yes, I’ve been to your FB page recently… :O)

    In contrast to the grim outlook…

    Look at that. Homerun.

    May we all grow in love and understanding – together.

  • Your trying to intellectulise it, its wrong, on all levels, do you think the Sioux ever gave up, hokahey

  • Native American Symbol for Wind

    Meaning of Native American Symbol for Wind

    I got a question about the Native American symbol for wind, or more accurately, these magnificent people’s concept of wind.

    I can’t claim to capture the tremendous depth and reverence this concept invokes…but this page gives a fair shot at trying to capsulate the intangible :-)

    My studies and observations indicate the first peoples of North America considered the wind to be a living force in and of itself . The wind is a god – a power that is capable of communicating a larger-than-life language to those who would hear it. Those who were certifiably authorized to interpret these cosmic messages were shamans, medicine men, and the wise and spiritual leaders among tribes.

    A common Native American Indian symbol for wind is (shown top page). It’s a common motif among many North American tribes including Apache, Navajo and Hopi. It’s considered a protective emblem and invokes the power of the four winds.

    Interestingly, this is also a symbol of life and interpreted this way the sides symbolize…

  • “Death Is A Perfect Insult

    Human beings live like knowers, striving toward absolute information, but death is a perfect insult that frustrates all knowing. The death of an other convicts you of your own death, and makes you wonder. But no ultimate knowledge comes from this wondering. Death is the frustration of knowledge. The knowledge that an other has died is itself the frustration of all knowledge. You are not knowing in your wondering about death. You are contemplating Mystery, the answerless Paradox of your living existence.

    The death of an other and the death of “I” confound the whole spectacle and consolation of knowledge. Death is not the attainment of any state you can know. Death is sacrifice. The only way to come to terms with death is to come into a harmony with its Process, its Way. And death is sacrifice, not knowledge or a Way of ultimate knowledge. Death is the sacrifice of knowledge, of independence, of experience, and of presumed individual self.

    The observation of the death of an other and the conviction of one’s own necessary death are not a means to knowledge but a means to sacrifice. Sacrifice is the Law. Knowledge or secure independence is that which is sacrificed. If you truly observe and feel the death of an other, you are moved to live by Wisdom rather than by knowledge. Wisdom is the presumption of alignment with the Way, or process, of existence, which is Sacrifice. But knowledge is only a reflection of or about the way things work. The knower is independent, not a participant in the process that is observed. But Wisdom is always already confounded, relieved of independence, so that there is no option but to submit to the process of existence itself.”

    Adi Da

  • an extended quote…

    “The concept of incentives—and disincentives—is in fact central to my understanding of population dynamics, and human behavior generally. I would think this should be self-evident to all, but somehow it is not, so I will try to spell out just how incentives can work to limit population.

    Let me tell you a story about some people I know—a story with implications for your own situation. These are tribal people, three different tribes, who live on the Lower Klamath River, in the extreme north of what is now the state of California. The aboriginal territory of the Karuk Tribe encompassed about a million acres, extending from just above the confluence of the Trinity River with the Klamath in the west, to some seventy miles upriver beyond what is now the hamlet of Happy Camp. According to tribal tradition, they have occupied this land from time immemorial. According to the carbon dating of Western science, there is evidence of tenancy along this stretch of river going back nine thousand years.

    The Karuk’s neighbor to the west is the Yurok Tribe, and their territory begins where the Karuks’ leaves off: from the where the Trinity and the Klamath Rivers join, downriver some forty miles to the Pacific Ocean.

    The territory of the Hupa Tribe begins near the mouth of the Trinity and straddles that river for roughly thirty miles upstream. Historically, the Klamath and the Trinity Rivers have had abundant runs of migratory steelhead, eels, sturgeon, and salmon, with roughly a million fish entering the estuary in an average year.

    Because of their location at the Klamath’s mouth and the lower forty miles of river, the Yuroks had first access to the fish that entered the estuary, giving them a possible chokehold on the finny resources they shared with their neighbors.

    According to a worldview proclaimed by many scientists, and accepted by many non-scientists: humans are naturally selfish, competitive, and warlike. We are genetically engineered to be this way, as are all the other creatures in this dog-eat-dog world. This view is a form of Neo-Darwinism, but far removed from Darwin’s own careful observations of the natural world. It is a doctrine, an ideology, held by a certain faction within the scientific community– one which is not based in science, and, in fact, is clearly contradicted by many of the behavioral sciences, including much paleo-anthropology.”


    I spent a lot of time quite deep in these tribal lands that Gary is referring to, and much of the surrounding lands and forests in the whole region… down the rivers, walking all the way up streams, up to the springs and the headwaters of many of the watersheds. living there continuously for 9,000 years would have easily given any peoples the incentive to live there for 9 million more.


    Martin ~

    “but this page gives a fair shot at trying to capsulate the intangible”

    did you forget a link? please share! this sounds very interesting.

  • OOps! Sorry for duplication of the first paragraph above. My bad. I try so hard….whine….

    (fixed ~ mo)

  • Gary Gripp?! You are still with us? I have thought of you and meant to check but didn’t. Long time no see. Glad you are back from that vague realm where people I am out of touch with dwell. I recognize your writing and worldview right away from what mo shared.

  • @Mike K / and mo flow / and Kirk Hamilton

    “after my experience of that priceless Pearl of Perfect LovePeaceWisdom or SatChitAnanda – I felt I was not supposed to try to grasp and hold on to it, but should wait in patience until It decided to visit me again. In recent years I have begun to think that was a mistaken idea on my part”

    Mike, been reading your posts and enjoying them. You had a GREAT one lately about bullying. A lot of people say positive things on this site, but I’ve noticed you don’t lapse into hate – or I think the correct word is hatred. Not sure being a Frenchie (French Canadian). Anyway. This is good. A lot is good on this site.

    Talking to Curious (whose sharing of personal story I really appreciated recently — and same goes for yours), you write the above quote. If I may, from my experience, the way to invite again positive experiences is being thankful to them. So it’s tricky. Not holding on to them. Just being thankful to them, or thankful for them. The thankfulness is what invites. Some might say there’s still a slight clinging in that inviting, but you get my meaning. If you say, “Come again please,” of course you are clinging. But if you say, “I’ll be honored if you come visit me again — but if not, I want to thank you anyway for having visited me. Those seconds were precious.” Then, the clinging is much less. A silent heart that is grateful will be visited again.

    Among the beautiful things I came across lately on this site (but those are just a few I noticed particularly) : the wonderful role played by mo flow. How could such a site keep going without such a positive moderator. Thank you.

    But many others. One post I copy-pasted to keep as a record because it says so much is from Kirk Hamilton. And several have commented on it, as should be:

    “To me, there is no such thing as freedom outside of love and compassion.”

    This comment by Kirk Hamilton deserves capital letters. Let’s do it:”TO ME, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS FREEDOM OUTSIDE OF LOVE AND COMPASSION.”

    – On a personal note, I want to say that the hate or hatred or contempt for life or for human beings that I also read on this site — or this “hurry up, let’s get it over with” about (fill the blank) is also something I am thankful about. Not that I like it or that I find it pleasant, but it challenges me to open more to love. I’m not a Christian. And I’m not talking about opening myself to loving people that hate or some such stuff. I’m just saying this challenges me to open to love, period. Not to a love that is directed at anyone or anything. Not love a relationship. Love as a force that, somehow, decides to overflow from me as a center, as it can from anyone as a center. This is not a love that connects — and at the same time it is a love that connects. No self infatuation either, by the way :)

    I remember a man (he was a facilitator for groups based partly on Alexander Lowen bioenergetics) who used to say (about Lowen probably, but not sure):

    “My teacher used to say that love conquers fear.”

    This stayed with me. The usual opposition in our mind is love vs hate. I think it is much more profound and much more accurate to say love vs hate.

    And that in us, over time, love finally conquers fear.

    I thought this was a beautiful vision, and it helped me over time.

    Best to you

  • mo flow,

    I’m being a little reticent because the actual personal change that occurred last night is profound. I don’t have a good feeling yet for how it will reflect into my worldview, only that it will. Until that settles out, I don’t want to subject everyone on the Internet to my personal inner journey. Even the most striking changes can be tedious or irrelevant to others. When the dust settles and I start speaking from whatever that new place is, I’ll probably be more forthcoming.

    One thing I’m sure of is that the new views will look a lot more like Gary’s than they do now.

  • 2 miss: Not love a relationship = meant to say Not love AS a relationship

    This stayed with me. The usual opposition in our mind is love vs hate. I think it is much more profound and much more accurate to say love vs hate.

    Last words intended were love vs fear, of course.


  • Sioux Prayer

    Grandfather Great Spirit
    All over the world the faces of living ones are alike.
    With tenderness they have come up out of the ground
    Look upon your children that they may face the winds
    And walk the good road to the Day of Quiet.
    Grandfather Great Spririt
    Fill us with the Light.
    Give us the strength to understand, and the eyes to see.
    Teach us to walk the soft Earth as relatives to all that live.
    – Sioux Prayer

  • @mike k, thank you kindly for those indications.

    @wren, I certainly won’t be undergoing any more chemo if my cancer should threaten my life once again. The pain I experienced with it was unreal, leading of course to the humiliation where they think you are a “drug seeker”. I only had three rounds, but I kept asking myself why I was allowing this! My primary care doc was non-committal, but agreed you are either “on the bus”, that goes where the medical community has decided it’s going to go, or you are essentially left on the side of the road.

    @tvt, I’m sorry you had to go through that terrible experience. I think there’s been some shift regarding end-of-life care in the last 30 years. Though hospice was of very little help to me (they even left us w/o morphine!), the local palliative care doc dealing with my mom’s pulmonary fibrosis was very kind in explaining that the sorts of things they used to do (eg., CPR, intubation) were not really indicated. So we didn’t have to go through any hospitalization whatsoever, and my mom passed away in our home.

    That said, I’ve read, on forums specific to this disease, about folks trying to prolong their lives with steroids and lung transplants. When their O2 needs exceed what portable devices can provide, they race to the hospital for 20 liters/min. when necessary. Run back and forth between antibiotics and pneumonia. Turn blue and get a chest tube and get airlifted somewhere. Meanwhile they are juggling their diabetes, MS, kidney disease, whatever..The anxiety in their posts is fierce. So draining just to read. And such torture you wonder when Human Rights Watch or Amnesty International might step in. (They don’t necessarily see it that way, though.)

  • Its something to do with being barefoot in a forest. I only get a hint of it, like something we have lost


  • @mike k

    What I want to ask you about your continued experience of your transcendent revelation is whether this continued conscious contact was due to your intentionally recalling it in order to hold on to it, or was it just a natural thing that required no special effort on your part?

    Isn’t it just wonderous that anybody does not experience constant revelation? How can anybody not experience what is just everywhere anytime? Yes, I find it even more wonderous that not everybody lives in constant consciousness of that revelation you mention, than the revelation itself. But well, that’s my perspective now. How did I come to that constant revelation? First came that steamhammer of Joy that I told some days ago. Then came the painful search to understanding what happened to me. And then slowly, year after year and trough much, much pain it penetrated my whole life, my whole thinking, my whole experience, like water penetrating a field. Did I try to recall that first revelation of Joy intentionally? Hard to say, because as soon a I just remembered it, it was there. I remember a constant offering to the Fire, burning down every concept, every clinging to any imagination, any clinging at all. The more I learned, the more I lost, the more I let loose, let go, burned down any idea, became poor.

    So, my message is nothing special, TRUST IN YOURSELF, Connection to the inner child, Music, Poetry, Natur, Meditation, beeing alone a lot, Awareness, getting rid of prejudices, DIE BEFORE YOU DIE, let loose, let go, contemplate inspiration and echo from other great spirits, Commitment, Devotion to everything, slowness in thinking, speaking and acting…

    Take EVERYTHING as it is as a manifestation of transcendence, Tathatā -> , don’t take away anything, don’t add anything to your experience as it is, beeing open just like a little child…

    People usually consider walking on water or in thin air a miracle. But I think the real miracle is not to walk either on water or in thin air, but to walk on earth. Every day we are engaged in a miracle which we don’t even recognize: a blue sky, white clouds, green leaves, the black, curious eyes of a child–our own two eyes. All is a miracle.

    Thich Nhat Hanh

    I am no Buddhist. As I said, first came the experience of “Sat-Chit-Ananda” and then I searched Names, Words for it, that’s the way I got into religion afterwards, so I see religon just as a tool to communicate the unspeakable that speaks in million voices.

    I felt I was not supposed to try to grasp and hold on to it, but should wait in patience until It decided to visit me again.

    You don’t need to try to grasp it or to wait until it visits you again, it is just here and there, brother, it is within yourself and anywhere else, man, show me just one place where it is not, can you? :-) Your first experience is not the only face of revelation, everything that came afterwards, everything that will come afterwards are also faces of the very same first revelation. Don’t expect that the revelation of the past will be exactly the same in the future as it where at first, just let it grow in any direction, any experience, any day and you will realize that eternity, any past, any present, any future, may it be Life or may it be Death, is just right there where you stand right now.

    Kabir says…

    @Robin Datta

    Thank you so much for remembering the many names of the Great Mother _()_

  • Unfortunatley the Lakota predate you by about 4500 years

  • Moderator Announcement: Modified NBL 2 Post Per Day Rule

    from here on out, the current (most recently posted) thread will be the only thread subject to the 2 Post Per Day limit.

    once Guy announces in a currently running thread “I have posted anew” then that (now non-current) thread will be open to unlimited posts per day.

    I know this rule modification has been suggested and discussed in the past. it is now approved by management, and in effect.

    what is ALSO in effect: I am going to be much more hardcore, including with myself, about respecting the rule with the current thread. violations in the current thread will be subject to deletion without notice. that is not likely to happen without advance warning, but if it does happen, don’t bother complaining.

    all additional posts, over your two posts per day limit in the current thread, are totally welcome to go into previous threads.

    thank you!

    (I will repeat this notice a few times over the coming weeks for visibility).

    ~ mo

    (Martin, funny… as mentioned, from here on out all overposts in the current thread will be subject to deletion without notice. it may happen more often than I realized, I guess, until it sinks in. oh, and if you keep that up, it won’t be fun for you. I seriously don’t have time for nonsense. thanks. post away in the previous thread. :O)

    Still ~ I wanted to thank you for your appreciation above. very much. thanks.

  • “How Sweet It Is”. The Russians are as stupid as us’uns.

    “In the farthest regions of the north, the Russians have already drilled, but the Americans are coming. Shell makes preparation to drill. So it is, the most distant Northern Hemisphere will never be the same.

    Not only that, but astonishingly, Russia is doubling down on its risky energy play with grandiose plans to power Arctic drill rigs with floating nuclear reactors. Indeed, the oil thirsty Russians plan to mass-produce floating nuclear reactors once their original model proves itself. Imagine that, an Arctic Sea filled with floating nuclear reactors used to power oil exploration drill rigs. Well now, what to say, other than speechlessness is always an antidote to shock and awe!”

    Mo Flow,

    Is there a way on Microsoft 8.1 to copy serially, different items, all at once, from different sites??? Sure would make things easier.

    answering here: shep, I don’t use MS, unless I am forced to. in general, right-click copy paste, or ctrl-c ctrl-v, is fastest for everything like this. ~ mo

  • @ mo flow
    – Taking note of the revised 2-post rule. This is my 3rd, but my 2nd was just for correcting typos. Still, I’ll pay attention, and will read messages instead of bothering people with extra and stupid posts for correcting typos. Cheers

    @ Mike K

    You’ve shown quite a bit of humbleness in your posts.

    And I’ll just say I can relate to that.

    So this post of mine is dedicated to you and to all humble people that should not be! 

    To me, tricky part is this:

    One who meditates and has glimpes and is changed, and sees the positive taking root, become a transformative force, natural, expanding, the blooming of flowers coming from known or unknown seeds, strange blessings from unknowable sources, and who see truth becoming a reality, at times almost breathing – then one is puzzled, especially in a culture that will say all of this is opium and self infatuation. And trusting yourself is not something that is being taught in this generalized Western culture, nicht wahr? That culture would rather have us trust anything but ourselves.

    So, there is that part.

    And then, there is the very humbleness that comes from any genuine experience as you and some others here have shared.

    That humbleness can be a problem, considering that negative people, who have never experienced anything positive in their life, have no hesitation to sharing their views, however negative. Their nihilism.

    You don’t encounter love, infinite grace, beauty, unexpressible peace, and then feel great ego because of it. You don’t touch satyam shivam sunderam and come out of it with a big ego. Quite the contrary, you become cautious, because you know you have an ego ready to use anything to remain on top.

    So you don’t brag. You’re afraid to brag, reluctant to even say anything about positive “experiences.” And also, you don’t brag because you have heard it said that as long as it is an “experience,” then something is missing.

    But you feel that you’ve been moving. But at the same time, because some expansion has happened, you know of course that you’re far from the end of the road. You know that there’s no end. So how would you feel anything but humbleness? Feeling an ever-expanding peace, ever-present, is not something that you want to brag about.

    The road is endless, you know it because you’ve walked or stood on it a few minutes, a few seconds. You drank from the river. It was enough to know what this water is. A truth.

    And words become more than inadequate. They just go round and round. You become cautious.

    Problem is, people who experience none of this are very willing to use words to brag about their great knowledge, even if it just book knowledge.

    They are very willing to say a lot, even to teach. They are very willing to take center stage.

    And you don’t, because you are humble.

    But… any ray of light is invaluable… and is worth so much more than any book knowledge.

    It’s more than ok to share the rays of light that we encounter, however small, however faint, however short. However inadequate we feel.

    Humbleness is a trap positive people should not fall into. People that throw their negativity around are not afraid of not being humble. They don’t care. And they don’t know anything. Just watch, just watch, and you’ll see the ego pop up at times. You’ll feel it. Same as you feel your ego when you are a humble individual, a meditator who, for a moment, is taken over by his/her ego. You feel it just there at the edge of your awareness.

    Positive people are afraid of sharing their experiences out of fear of falling again under the control of their ego. They’ve come to know its power and tricks. And they become too cautious. They shouldn’t be.

    Peace to you.

  • I have long admired native people. It is a shame that many have been destroyed. Obviously, we could have learned so much. Just seeing Sitting Bull’s drum caused me to wish to touch it with weeping emotion.

    All the Chiefs had wisdom beyond this world. No wonder they were Chiefs.
    Even a (wish I was humble, Mo) fool, like myself, could understand this.

    Anybody know a good place to learn about Sitting Bull’s language????

  • i’ll take chief crazy horse over president hazy coarse any day!


  • Find death.
    Obey death.
    Bring a halibut.

    -William S. Burroughs
    cutup from Naropa Univ
    class on writing sources


    The Parable of the Madman
    Have you not heard of that madman who lit a lantern in the bright morning hours, ran to the market-place, and cried incessantly:

    “…But how have we done this? How were we able to drink up the sea? Who gave us the sponge to wipe away the entire horizon? What did we do when we unchained the earth from its sun? Whither is it moving now? Whither are we moving now? Away from all suns? Are we not perpetually falling? Backward, sideward, forward, in all directions? Is there any up or down left? Are we not straying as through an infinite nothing? Do we not feel the breath of empty space? Has it not become colder? Is it not more and more night coming on all the time? …Do we not hear anything yet of the noise of the gravediggers?

    “How shall we, murderers of all murderers, console ourselves? That which was the holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet possessed has bled to death under our knives. Who will wipe this blood off us? With what water could we purify ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we need to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us?

    “There has never been a greater deed,” Here the madman fell silent and again regarded his listeners; and they too were silent and stared at him in astonishment. At last he threw his lantern to the ground, and it broke and went out. “I have come too early,” he said then; “my time has not come yet. The tremendous event is still on its way, still traveling – it has not yet reached the ears of men. Lightning and thunder require time, the light of the stars requires time, deeds require time even after they are done, before they can be seen and heard. This deed is still more distant from them than the distant stars – and yet they have done it themselves.”

    Frederick Nietzsche – The Gay Science Aphorism #125

  • This may not be 100% but it is close:

    The empire ‘reframes death’ to support its narratives (apart from all the other lies).

  • Still, I’m delighted that you identified with the teaching, “There is no freedom outside of love and compassion.” I had believed that Truth in my heart all my life, but when I finally heard it spelled out for me in plain English, it was like it was burned onto my heart with a laser. You and I share that experience, that’s cool!

    The saying has become part of my life’s foundation. I’m not a religious person, but was brought up as a Christian, so it’s fairly easy for me to relate to Jesus’s teachings, seeing that that’s my culture. I make it a point to never associate myself with anything society offers that I don’t feel confident I could explain to Jesus. I’m also into Buddhism and any other spiritual teaching of good report. The Path of spiritual growth has always been my most important personal calling.

    I have listened to a few of this guy’s talks and believe this man knows his stuff. I haven’t heard anything bad about him so I’ll share the talk where I first heard the words that appealed so much to you.

    NOTE: I thought that I had successfully copied the link to the video, but I can’t paste it. I will post this and try again to copy the video again.

  • Still, here’s the link. I hope you find it interesting.

  • I very much enjoyed your sermon, Kirk. Thanks!

  • A quick thank you to Wren, Shep, Kent, Jean, Lidia, the virgin terry, Bodhi Paul, Martin, mike k., digixplor, et al for thoughtful comments/appreciations.
    Shep, my tribe is the Celts, who were broken by the Romans and later by the Enclosure system in northern England and many other places (though without a doubt they were often their own worst enemies – see Dylan Thomas).
    Guy graciously published two of my other essays some time ago: Red Coral, Essence, and I thank him for that.
    It should be said, for the record, that I agree with those who remind us not to idealize the indigenous too much – a lot of nasty shit went down back then. I remember in the Royal BC Museum many years ago I saw a large stone implement – like a cross between a sceptre and a club; the label read “Haida slave killer”. ‘Nuff said. The last time I visited that museum it was no longer on display.

    I am a college teacher who is a few weeks away from chosen retirement. I am not in a position to retire but I am going to do it anyway. Most of the students I teach want jobs in the oil industry and I am just a stepping stone to salaries and shopping. I can’t do it anymore.
    And won’t.

    I thank the medicine chiefs and visionaries, people like Guy, Derrick Jensen, the scribbler, the arch-druid, and the kindred brothers and sisters on this site for helping me, over the last couple of years, to formulate the knowledge which drives the plan to “exit stage left”. Come hell or high water.

    My first love is art – you can see some of my work (shamanic, zen or otherwise) at:

    Those of you who are Beatles fans may enjoy the page called Five Songs.
    And then there is Charlie Chaplin and Vincent Van Gogh (Chuck & Vince)


    Namaste to you all.

  • Woodwose, thanks for the fine essay and the note about you. I guess we must be distantly related. I have often fantasied about living in pre-Roman Britain, whatever it was called at the time.

    I usually provide quotes and links when not making my own comments but believe the following item justifies full duplication:

    Slave Or Rebel? Ten Principles For Escaping The Matrix And Standing Up to Tyranny

    Submitted by Tyler Durden on 06/10/2015 23:00 -0400

    Submitted by John Whitehead via The Rutherford Institute,

    “Until they become conscious, they will never rebel, and until after they have rebelled, they cannot become conscious.” – George Orwell

    The more things change, the more they stay the same.

    It’s a shell game intended to keep us focused on and distracted by all of the politically expedient things that are being said – about militarized police, surveillance, and government corruption – while the government continues to frogmarch us down the road toward outright tyranny.

    Unarmed citizens are still getting shot by militarized police trained to view them as the enemy and treated as if we have no rights. Despite President Obama’s warning that the nation needs to do some “soul searching” about issues such as race, poverty and the strained relationship between law enforcement and the minority communities they serve, police killings and racial tensions are at an all-time high. Just recently, in Texas, a white police officer was suspended after video footage showed him “manhandling, arresting and drawing his gun on a group of black children outside a pool party.”

    Americans’ private communications and data are still being sucked up by government spy agencies. The USA Freedom Act was just a placebo pill intended to make us feel better without bringing about any real change. As Bill Blunden, a cybersecurity researcher and surveillance critic, points out, “The theater we’ve just witnessed allows decision makers to boast to their constituents about reforming mass surveillance while spies understand that what’s actually transpired is hardly major change.”

    Taxpayer dollars are still being squandered on roads to nowhere, endless wars that do not make us safer, and bloated government agencies that should have been shut down long ago. A good example is the Transportation Security Administration, which, despite its $7 billion annual budget, has shown itself to be bumbling and ineffective.

    And military drills are still being carried out on American soil under the pretext of training soldiers for urban warfare overseas. Southeastern Michigan, the site of one of the many military training drills taking place across the country this summer, has had Black Hawk helicopters buzzing its skies and soldiers dressed for combat doing night combat drills in abandoned buildings around the state.

    In other words, freedom, or what’s left of it, is being threatened from every direction. The threats are of many kinds: political, cultural, educational, media, and psychological. However, as history shows us, freedom is not, on the whole, wrested from a citizenry. It is all too often given over voluntarily and for such a cheap price: safety, security, bread, and circuses.

    This is part and parcel of the propaganda churned out by the government machine. That said, what we face today—mind manipulation and systemic violence—is not new. What is different are the techniques used and the large-scale control of mass humanity, coercive police tactics and pervasive surveillance. As we have seen with the erection of the electronic concentration camp, there is virtually no escaping the invisible prison surrounding us. Once upon a time, one could run and hide or duck into a cave, but that is no longer feasible as caves are quite scarce, and those running the camp have their eyes watching everything.

    Moreover, we are presented with the illusion that we act of our own volition when most of the time we are being watched, prodded, and controlled. “The nature of psychological compulsion is such that those who act under constraint remain under the impression that they are acting on their own initiative,” Aldous Huxley stated. “The victim of mind-manipulation does not know that he is a victim. To him, the walls of his prison are invisible.”

    In fact, with the merger of the Internet and the corporate state, unless you are alert and aware, it will be increasingly difficult to discern the difference between freedom and enslavement. With the methods of mind manipulation available to the corporate state, the very nature of democratic government has been changed. Again, as Aldous Huxley writes:

    [T]he quaint old forms—elections, parliaments, Supreme Courts and all the rest will remain. The underlying substance will be a new kind of nonviolent totalitarianism. All the traditional names, all the hallowed slogans will remain exactly what they were in the good old days. Democracy and freedom will be the theme of every broadcast and editorial . . . Meanwhile the ruling oligarchy and its highly trained elite of soldiers, policemen, thought-manufacturers and mind-manipulators will quietly run the show as they see fit.

    To many, the situation seems hopeless. But is it?

    From the day you’re born until the day you die, the choices you exercise are very limited. You don’t choose to be born or choose what sex you are or who your parents are or where you live. When you are a child, you are told what to do, and when you enter school, you sit plastered to a desk and are taught what others demand you should know. Yes, the indoctrinating process begins on day one.

    Then there are the rules, the endless rules. If you say the wrong word, write the wrong story or wear the wrong clothes, you can get thrown out of school or even arrested. You live where you are told and eat what others think you should eat. As you grow older, this list expands into employment, marriage and so on. In other words, your so-called reality is socially constructed. It is predetermined for you, and if you step out of line and disagree with what the current society deems proper, you will be ostracized. If you speak your mind to the governing authorities, you might find yourself behind bars.

    The point is that in order to develop a compliant citizenry, people must be forced to live in a mental matrix of words, ideas, ideologies, and teachings that are designed to make us conform. “As the Matrix in the movie was used to facilitate the exploitation of humans,” writes author Henry H. Lindner, “so the current ideological Matrix was created for, and serves to exploit us, turning us into unthinking workers and consumers—slaves of the ruling elite who themselves are trapped in the Matrix.” In fact, “few of us are able to escape the Matrix. We do not even know it exists.”

    For there to be any hope of real change, you’ll have to change how you think about yourself, your fellow human beings, freedom, society, and the government. This means freeing your mind, realizing the truth, and unlearning all the myths you have been indoctrinated with since the day you were able to comprehend language.

    The following principles, taken from my new book Battlefield America: The War on the American People, may help any budding freedom fighters in the struggle to liberate themselves and our society.

    First, we must come to grips with the reality that the present system does not foster freedom. It denies freedom and must be altered. “Our authoritarian system is based on cruelty and control—it increasingly drives natural love and feelings from our society and produces violence and greed,” Lindner recognizes. “Our society is deteriorating morally and intellectually. This system cannot be reformed.”

    To start with, we must recognize that the government’s primary purpose is maintaining power and control. It’s an oligarchy composed of corporate giants wedded to government officials who benefit from the relationship. In other words, it is motivated by greed and exists to perpetuate itself. As George Orwell writes:

    We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes a revolution in order to establish a dictatorship. . . .. The object of power is power.

    Second, voting is practically worthless. “In principle, it is a great privilege,” Aldous Huxley recognized. “In practice, as recent history has repeatedly shown, the right to vote, by itself, is no guarantee of liberty.”

    We live in a secretive surveillance state that has virtually no accountability, transparency, or checks and balances of any kind. As Jordan Michael Smith, writing for the Boston Globe, concludes about the American government:

    There’s the one we elect, and then there’s the one behind it, steering huge swaths of policy almost unchecked. Elected officials end up serving as mere cover for the real decisions made by the bureaucracy.

    How many times have the various politicians, when running for office, lied about all they were going to do to bring hope and change to America? Once they get elected, what do they do? They do whatever the corporate powers want. Yes, the old boss is the same as the new boss. The maxim: power follows money.

    Moreover, voting is a way to keep the citizenry pacified. However, many Americans intuitively recognize that something is wrong with the way the electoral process works and have withdrawn from the process. That’s why the government places so much emphasis on the reassurance ritual of voting. It provides the illusion of participation.

    Third, question everything. Don’t assume anything government does is for the good of the citizenry. Again, that is not the purpose of modern government. It exists to perpetuate a regime. Remember the words of James Madison, considered the father of the U.S. Constitution: “All men having power ought to be distrusted to a certain degree.” Power corrupts. And as the maxim goes, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

    Fourth, materialism is a death knell to freedom. While it may be true that Americans are better off than citizens of other nations—we have jobs, food, entertainment, shopping malls, etc.—these are the trappings meant to anesthetize and distract us.

    Like the dodo, any “bird that has learned how to grub up a good living without being compelled to use its wings will soon renounce the privilege of flight and remain forever grounded,” Huxley warned. “Same thing is true of human beings. If bread is supplied regularly and capaciously three times a day, many of them will be perfectly content to live by bread alone—or at least by bread and circuses alone.” Free as a bird, some say, but only if you’re willing to free your mind and sacrifice all for a dangerous concept—freedom.

    In other words, the hope is that the cry of “‘give me television and hamburgers, but don’t bother me with the responsibilities of liberty,’ may give place, under altered circumstances, to the cry of ‘give me liberty or give me death.’” This is indeed dangerous freedom.

    Fifth, there is little hope for any true resistance if you are mindlessly connected to the electronic concentration camp. Remember, what you’re being electronically fed by those in power is meant to pacify, distract, and control you. You can avoid mind manipulations to a large degree by greatly limiting your reliance on electronic devices—cell phones, laptops, televisions, and so on.

    Sixth, an armed revolt will not work. Although we may have returned to a 1776 situation where we need to take drastic actions to restore freedom, this is not colonial America with its muskets and people’s armies. Local police departments have enough militarized firepower to do away with even a large-scale armed revolt. Even attempting to repel a SWAT team raid on your home is futile. You’ll get blown away.

    Seventh, be wise and realize that there is power in numbers. Networks, coalitions, and movements can accomplish much—especially if their objectives are focused and practical—and they are very much feared by government authorities. That’s why the government is armed to the teeth and prepared to put down even small nonviolent protests.

    Eighth, act locally but think nationally. The greatest impact can be had at local governing bodies such as city councils. Join together with friends and neighbors and start a Civil Liberties Oversight Committee. Regularly attend council meetings and demand that government corruption be brought under control and that police activities be brought under the scrutiny of local governing bodies and, thus, the citizenry.

    In Albuquerque, New Mexico, for example, police were involved in 39 shootings dating back to 2010. After a 2014 police shooting of an unarmed homeless man camped out in a public park, residents engaged in nonviolent acts of civil disobedience to disrupt the normal functioning of the city government and demand that the police department be brought under control. Community activists actually went so far as to storm a city council meeting and announce that they would be performing a citizens’ arrest of the police chief, charging him with “harboring fugitives from justice at the Albuquerque police department” and “crimes against humanity.”

    In Davis County, California, in August 2014, after a public uproar over the growing militarization of local police, council members ordered the police to find a way of getting rid of the department’s newly acquired MRAP tank. One man at the council meeting was quoted as saying: “I would like to say I do not suggest you take this vehicle and send it out of Davis, I demand it.”

    Ninth, local towns, cities and states can nullify or say “no” to federal laws that violate the rights and freedoms of the citizenry. In fact, several states have passed laws stating that they will not comply with the National Defense Authorization Act which allows for the military to indefinitely detain (imprison) American citizens. Again, when and if you see such federal laws passed, gather your coalition of citizens and demand that your local town council nullify such laws. If enough towns and cities across the country would speak truth to power in this way, we might see some positive movement from the federal governmental machine.

    Tenth, understand what freedom is all about. “Who were the first persons to get the unusual idea that being free was not only a value to be cherished but the most important thing that someone can possess?” asks Professor Orlando Patterson. “The answer in a word: slaves.”

    Freedom arose from the hearts and minds of those who realized that they were slaves. It became a primary passion of those who were victims of slavery.

    Some Americans are beginning to realize that they are slaves and that if they don’t act soon, they will find themselves imprisoned in the electronic concentration camp indefinitely. Mind you, there may not be any chains hanging from the dungeon walls, but it is a prison nonetheless, and we are, without a doubt, inmates serving life sentences.

  • NPR’s Fresh Air from WHYY, Philadelphia
    monday june 8, 2015
    As Global Population Grows, Is The Earth Reaching The ‘End Of Plenty’?
    In his new book journalist Joel Bourne says humanity is facing a major problem: The world is running out of food. There are promising developments to meet the threat, he says, but time is running out.
    30:01 mins

  • Indigenous North Americans (all east of the mississip now), did not invent slavery in a vacuum. That’s cherry picking and applying it to the entirety of indigenous history. B-locks. Their societies were invaded, decimated, mutated, raped and any autonomous decisions about how to proceed were overwhelmed if not explicitly dictated by the real slavers, the occupiers, the invaders, the world killers. Us, you know. Same applied to Africa, Australia and S America. And now we’re supposed to believe that what Vine Deloris Jr called “The Whitest of the Tribes” the Cherokee, Choctaw etc are generalized representations of the indigenous entirety of North America? I can understand the disposition to make that claim, but I do not agree with it in the least.

  • @Wester

    Thanks a lot for the inspiring Nietzsche quote. There are very rare occasions when I am proud to be german, eg when someone quotes Nietzsche or Rilke ect.

    “Before our white brothers arrived to make us civilized men, we didn’t have any kind of prison. Because of this, we had no delinquents. Without a prison, there can be no delinquents. We had no locks nor keys and therefore, among us there were no thieves. When someone was so poor that he couldn’t afford a horse, a tent, or a blanket, he would, in that case, receive it all as a gift. We were too uncivilized to give great importance to civilized property. We didn’t know any kind of money and consequently, the value of a human being was not determined by his wealth. We had no written laws laid down, no lawyers, no politicians, therefore we were not able to cheat and swindle one another. We were really in bad shape before the white men arrived and I don’t know how to explain how we were able to manage these fundamental things that (so they tell us) are so necessary for a civilized society.

    – John (Fire) Lame Deer Sioux Lakota

    Damn any man who sympathizes with Indians! … I have come to kill Indians, and believe it is right and honorable to use any means under God’s heaven to kill Indians. … Kill and scalp all, big and little; nits make lice.

  • I forgot the author of the second quote:

    Damn any man who sympathizes with Indians! … I have come to kill Indians, and believe it is right and honorable to use any means under God’s heaven to kill Indians. … Kill and scalp all, big and little; nits make lice.

    – Col. John Milton Chivington, U.S. Army

  • Wester – yes, agreed (we simply don’t know the circumstances before and after) and the stories are written by the victors. Just wanted to clear any supposed posters that might accuse me of having a starry eyed vision of Native American culture.
    What I do have is the utmost respect for so many aspects of who they are and were. And as we move forward in the obscene rituals playing out in 21c techno-fantasyland, I have even more respect for much of what they say/said.
    I attended the “Calling All Drums” powwow in Rocky Mountain House, Alberta in 2012 and was moved to tears by the energy, the goodwill, the beauty of seeing the dancers there upon the sacred prairie. Especially the dances where the children, the women and the men (and the oldsters) all danced together in that gracious moving circle, hoop, of “the people”.

  • Thanks to all for the wisdom you are sharing along with the humility that always accompanies the real. Who woulda thought that if you lifted this big flat rock with EXTINCTION written on it, out would come all sorts of lively, loving, seeking, growing Spirits ready to revel, explore and celebrate our temporary embodiment in this mysterious realm we name Earth? Of course there is sadness and anger and doubt – but all these strands help weave this beautiful tapestry of folks coming together to share it all. My dream of heaven on earth is like this – opening our hearts and minds together. Something good has to come from this – it’s a law.

    Still & Curious – Your specific hints about my impasse are hugely helpful. I intend to take your suggestions on the road and see where they go. Can I say – traveling hopefully but without undue expectations. Curious, it is true that the revelation told me beyond any doubt that the condition of Perfect Love is from always to forever, and totally present in every moment and circumstance. It is that special Golden Radiance of the Divine Presence that I miss so much directly perceiving. I know it is there in and as everything throughout all time, but knowing that is not the same as seeing it glowing radiantly in everything – even in oneself!

    Ah well, patience my soul, not in my time but according to the mysterious Will of that One. I will do as you have both suggested and gently welcome that Light…. You know it was clear to me in that experience that it was a Gift from that Eternal Reality, and not due to anything I did or did not do, and yet I also realized that my years of search and practice cleared the ground in me to receive the Lightning…. Sometimes I feel I am glimpsing That LoveRadiance on mornings when I sit on the porch and gaze into the forest through fog glowing with the early morning sunlight….

    But still I feel the longing and nostalgia for my veiled and
    hidden Beloved.

    Paul C. – Whatever is taking place within you, I intuit from knowing you from your sharings – it can only be for the good. We need more souls like yours. Keep growing. You are loved.

    Still – I must respond to your more recent message to me. Yes humility is a key to releasing ego. In AA we say that alcohol and drug use was not our real problem, only a symptom. The real problem is selfishness in all it’s forms. The peak experience I had years ago reduced me to tears of gratitude and a deep realization of my unworthiness of the Gift that was being bestowed on me. I also realized that all my past understanding of anything was utterly beside the point and meaningless in the light of this realization. My intellectual world was totally crushed by this Divine LoveWisdom.
    Days later I reflected that this is what Al Ghazali, who was the greatest theologian of his time meant when after some similar opening, he said “burn all I have written.” What Shams of Tabrizi meant by throwing all of Rumi’s books and scriptures into the fountain. Thomas Aquinas referred to all that he had written as “straw” after his encounter with the Eternal Truth.

    That crushing, beautiful Divine lesson in humility is one I will thankfully never recover from. The word Fire! Began the message Pascal wrote to commemorate his Experience, and was found when he died in a locket he wore under his shirt. That vision totally burned up his whole ordinary view of himself and the world.

    Thanks again all of you who are open to hearing of these strange things, and also those of you who are puzzled or put off by them. I always suspected I would find some here gathered who were like ancient seekers on Vulture Peak trying to experience the marriage of life and death in that field Rumi said he would meet us in….

    Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing
    and rightdoing there is a field.
    I’ll meet you there.
    When the soul lies down in that grass
    the world is too full to talk about.

    Wester – Good parable by N. And they called him mad. They called me mad. My father wanted to have me lobotomized. My light was darkness to him; his light was darkness to me. We didn’t get along. He beat me. I wanted to kill him, and finally told him that if he ever touched me again I would catch him sleeping and drive a knife deep into his heart. Derek Jensen and I have several things in common. My early family life was something Eugene O’Neill could relate to. Crazy Irishmen. James Joyce was an early hero of mine, still is come to think of it. Thanks for sharing Nietzsche, I like crazy folks – mostly. I haven’t always been as “nice” as I mostly am now….

    Now I pray for my old man who has been dead for many years (I didn’t do it). So you see I am still crazy – only in a different key. Realizing that we are all crazy living in a world sized asylum has helped me a lot in understanding and forgiving others and myself. Of course forgiveness does not imply endorsement. I still get pissed when I watch the MSM on TV but I do that less and less with all the alternatives available on the web. Watching the MSM is more like taking the pulse of a dying culture now. Thanks again for the slice of brother N, he makes good company for the likes of me.

    Woodwose – Thanks for sharing your website, wonderful! It makes me wonder how many zen birds are lurking in the darkness just beyond our little fire on the beach of doom, waiting for the appropriate moment to flaap into view bearing rich and strange gifts for the hungry seekers here….

    To all – Given the recent tightening of the two post rule, along with the designation of each previous comment domain as a free fire zone for unlimited BS, and considering that any kind of tight clothing irritates my freedom loving inner self – I think I will confine my erudite, foolish, and confusing comments to the numero two thread in future. I will certainly keep up with the contents of numero uno thread as they unfold, but mostly reply on #2 location.

    I am pleased at the inner turn some of our comments have taken, reminding me of the theme of Iain McGilchrist’s magnum opus The Master and His Emissary – an exposition of the ways the right hemisphere of the brain has been usurped and betrayed by the more recently dominant left hemisphere with disastrous consequences for our modern culture and the world it is destroying. Nevertheless I also esteem and learn from those who are chronicling unfolding disaster of our times in scientific detail. And as for those simply wanting to vent their rage and sorrow at this colossal atrocity – I second your feelings in spades, and am glad there is this place where you can let it all out…. Sorry to be so long winded, I blame it on this recent two posts flap. My pace tends to be more conversational. When you have to post this much to respond to each offering from others it makes you look like a verbose idiot.

    PS – Thanks Kevin for posting the excellent article from Zerohedge. I tend to believe the work of awakening people has to go a lot deeper and wider to make possible a revolution that holds on to it’s ideals.

  • i love this place…wester…thanks for that awesome Nietzsche quote…woodwose…enjoy your retirement….god bless us all, everyone. mo…go flock yourself!

  • funny though…about the toss for the 5th brain cell.

  • Woodwose,
    Very much appreciated your comments regarding the tendency of many to overindulge in complimenting native cultures, especially as your comment hinted that natives often practiced the same fundamental slavery as the rest of us.

    Natives simply didn’t have the modern weaponry paraphernalia that could do the damage that invaders possessed. Had they invented cannons and artillery as did their conquerors, they may have done no better than the rest of us. We are all on the same boat, a ship named planet Earth, and if the boat sinks, black, white or any other color, we all go down. Native rights are nothing more than an admission that Might is still Right and as long as big sticks still rule our roosts there is really no difference between natives and others, just the sophistication of the weapons involved.

    My son was married to a native woman, and although we all live under the same rules, she did not hesitate to use the ammunition that her native culture had been granted just for being who she was.

    Lidia, I am so sorry for your health issues. I know we all must bare terminal conditions one day, but those who are afflicted with them as we talk about them bare that much more, while most of us are thankful for the time we have that is not as difficult. My apologies for being curt at times in my comments towards yours.

  • Oh dear, Jean… Thanks for the kindness, but I’m not a precious flower! :-) in these online, debates, too, I don’t regard the arguments as personal. So, you, know.. No kid gloves.. give me your best shot! I’m feeling pretty well, about 85-90% of “normal”.. Not in any pain, just residual fatigue and brain fog.

    I’ve never exactly understood “hope”, which is why I could never get behind much of what you’ve posted. What befalls me, befalls me. “Hoping” seems like a mal-investment of attention and energy. Just muddled and misguided. I mean, I use the word socially and I mean it when I say to someone, “I hope you [feel better, find your wallet, get a new job..]”, but it’s not something that occupies any space in my philosophy.

  • mike k ~

    thank you for such a great post (the one with the Golden Radiance). I personally love it when someone takes the time to write out something more lengthy, multifaceted and interesting, like you have here. far from being idiot verbose, I find a well written post like this very engaging.

    I was thinking of something to say, possibly, about your earlier question of should you be more in “waiting” mode, or more assertive mode with the connection to your hidden Beloved. this question is something I have worked with quite a bit. my own answers to this question came from within, but it was specific to my own path. I think that will always be true.

    essentially what I think it comes down to is a combination of what Still said so well earlier, “A silent heart that is grateful will be visited again” plus being more assertive in whatever way you feel drawn to, if you feel drawn that way. I honestly don’t think you can go wrong here, again *IF* you trust yourself. the right path for you will always be lit from within, and if you are in tune there, you can’t miss it.

    for myself, it was not a question of seeing the path ~ that was clear ~ but of making the choice to actually follow what it was asking. or from Kirk’s linked sermon ~ so good! thanks Kirk! ~ being alive enough in my own freedom and wakefulness to actually submit to what was being asked of me.


    there wasn’t really a “flap” with the two post rule. just a suggestion (at just the right time) which really made a lot of sense. this new idea allows more space to actually be unrestricted with more give and take, and with more spontaneity, and makes my life a bit (or a lot) simpler as a moderator.


    dear digi! look out! flocking your way on Fluffy Golden Wings of Shimmering Loveliness! :O)

  • ‘When I was treated for ovarian cancer in 2013, I was offered the non-choice of carboplatin/taxol chemotherapy (I say “non-choice” because they would have ceased following me as a patient if I declined).’- lidia

    lidia, do u mean to say that had u refused chemo, u would have also had to for-go surgery to remove your ovarian tumor? (i’m so glad the surgery was successful, the tumor didn’t rupture, so that u may continue posting/living/loving a good while longer, hopefully) i didn’t know the medical establishment could be that cruel and dictatorial. if i’m mistaken in this interpretation, and u could have had surgery but turned down the chemo, are u now sorry u didn’t? chemo sucks bigtime for just about everyone, does it not? i thought it’s accepted science though that it’s effective in prolonging lives and sometimes helping to eradicate cancer…

    mike ruppert wrote at least once (i think in his book ‘crossing the rubicon’) that the world’s ‘evil axis’ was the alliance between israel, the u.s., and britain. it is way beyond peculiar how the pro-israel lobby yields enormous power in amerikan politics. it makes me wonder if primarily jewish banksters aren’t indeed the master puppeteers behind international politics, and the sick culture of so much of the ‘western world’. obviously, all jews aren’t implicated in this conspiracy.

  • oy. the “Jews as puppet masters” theme? seriously? maybe we can start talking about how Africa is so dysfunctional because all the leaders of those countries are really just banana eating monkeys. a lot of Righties talk that way on the internet, so it must be true.

    puppet wars! of course we then have to figure out how George Soros is pulling all the strings on the Left, and getting in the way of the Righty Bankster puppet masters. woah that Soros. what a master of sick global craziness. just look at all the evil sickness on this list!

    things like this: Brookings Fellows have also called for additional global collaboration on trade and banking; the expansion of the Kyoto Protocol; and nationalized health insurance for children. Nine Brookings economists signed a petition opposing President Bush’s tax cuts in 2003.

    or this! damn. this is really hellacious, awful, stuff: American Civil Liberties Union: This group opposes virtually all post-9/11 national security measures enacted by the U.S. government. It supports open borders, has rushed to the defense of suspected terrorists and their abettors, and appointed former New Left terrorist Bernardine Dohrn to its Advisory Board.

    but it gets much worse, still: Earthjustice: This group seeks to place severe restrictions on how U.S. land and waterways may be used. It opposes most mining and logging initiatives, commercial fishing businesses, and the use of motorized vehicles in undeveloped areas.

    truly horrible, sick, world-dominating stuff.

    but no, it gets, hold on to your hats, ever and oh so ever worse: Arab American Institute Foundation: The Arab American Institute denounces the purportedly widespread civil liberties violations directed against Arab Americans in the post-9/11 period, and characterizes Israel as a brutal oppressor of the Palestinian people.

    attacking Israel!! the bastard.

    definitely don’t let the children see this one! Aspen Institute: This organization promotes radical environmentalism and views America as a nation plagued by deep-seated “structural racism.”

    radicals. everywhere. do they really think this country has a racism problem? absurd! they are just a bunch of whining takers.

    oh I know, I know… it’s all part of the super-puppet-master plan. total control of everything, including how many times we are allowed to get up at night to pee. they really have no limits.

    Organizations Funded Directly by George Soros and his Open Society Institute

    By Discover The Networks

    Organizations that, in recent years, have received direct funding and assistance from George Soros and his Open Society Institute (OSI) include the following. (Comprehensive profiles of each are available in the “Groups” section of

    Advancement Project: This organization works to organize “communities of color” into politically cohesive units while disseminating its leftist worldviews and values as broadly as possible by way of a sophisticated communications department.
    Air America Radio: Now defunct, this was a self-identified “liberal” radio network.
    All of Us or None: This organization seeks to change voting laws — which vary from state to state — so as to allow ex-inmates, parolees, and even current inmates to cast their ballots in political elections.
    Alliance for Justice: Best known for its activism vis a vis the appointment of federal judges, this group consistently depicts Republican judicial nominees as “extremists.”
    America Coming Together: Soros played a major role in creating this group, whose purpose was to coordinate and organize pro-Democrat voter-mobilization programs.
    America Votes: Soros also played a major role in creating this group, whose get-out-the-vote campaigns targeted likely Democratic voters.
    America’s Voice: This open-borders group seeks to promote “comprehensive” immigration reform that includes a robust agenda in favor of amnesty for illegal aliens.
    American Bar Association Commission on Immigration Policy: This organization “opposes laws that require employers and persons providing education, health care, or other social services to verify citizenship or immigration status.”
    American Bridge 21st Century: This Super PAC conducts opposition research designed to help Democratic political candidates defeat their Republican foes.
    American Civil Liberties Union: This group opposes virtually all post-9/11 national security measures enacted by the U.S. government. It supports open borders, has rushed to the defense of suspected terrorists and their abettors, and appointed former New Left terrorist Bernardine Dohrn to its Advisory Board.
    American Constitution Society for Law and Policy: This Washington, DC-based think tank seeks to move American jurisprudence to the left by recruiting, indoctrinating, and mobilizing young law students, helping them acquire positions of power. It also provides leftist Democrats with a bully pulpit from which to denounce their political adversaries.
    American Family Voices: This group creates and coordinates media campaigns charging Republicans with wrongdoing.
    American Federation of Teachers: After longtime AFT President Albert Shanker died in in 1997, he was succeeded by Sandra Feldman, who slowly “re-branded” the union, allying it with some of the most powerful left-wing elements of the New Labor Movement. When Feldman died in 2004, Edward McElroy took her place, followed by Randi Weingarten in 2008. All of them kept the union on the leftward course it had adopted in its post-Shanker period.
    American Friends Service Committee: This group views the United States as the principal cause of human suffering around the world. As such, it favors America’s unilateral disarmament, the dissolution of American borders, amnesty for illegal aliens, the abolition of the death penalty, and the repeal of the Patriot Act.
    American Immigration Council: This non-profit organization is a prominent member of the open-borders lobby. It advocates expanded rights and amnesty for illegal aliens residing in the U.S.
    American Immigration Law Foundation: This group supports amnesty for illegal aliens, on whose behalf it litigates against the U.S. government.
    American Independent News Network: This organization promotes “impact journalism” that advocates progressive change.
    American Institute for Social Justice: AISJ’s goal is to produce skilled community organizers who can “transform poor communities” by agitating for increased government spending on city services, drug interdiction, crime prevention, housing, public-sector jobs, access to healthcare, and public schools.
    American Library Association: This group has been an outspoken critic of the Bush administration’s War on Terror — most particularly, Section 215 of the USA Patriot Act, which it calls “a present danger to the constitutional rights and privacy rights of library users.”
    The American Prospect, Inc.: This corporation trains and mentors young leftwing journalists, and organizes strategy meetings for leftist leaders.
    Amnesty International: This organization directs a grossly disproportionate share of its criticism for human rights violations at the United States and Israel.
    Applied Research Center: Viewing the United States as a nation where “structural racism” is deeply “embedded in the fabric of society,” ARC seeks to “build a fair and equal society” by demanding “concrete change from our most powerful institutions.”
    Arab American Institute Foundation: The Arab American Institute denounces the purportedly widespread civil liberties violations directed against Arab Americans in the post-9/11 period, and characterizes Israel as a brutal oppressor of the Palestinian people.
    Aspen Institute: This organization promotes radical environmentalism and views America as a nation plagued by deep-seated “structural racism.”
    Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now: This group conducts voter mobilization drives on behalf of leftist Democrats. These initiatives have been notoriously marred by fraud and corruption.
    Ballot Initiative Strategy Center: This organization seeks to advance “a national progressive strategy” by means of ballot measures—state-level legislative proposals that pass successfully through a petition (“initiative”) process and are then voted upon by the public.
    Bill of Rights Defense Committee: This group provides a detailed blueprint for activists interested in getting their local towns, cities, and even college campuses to publicly declare their opposition to the Patriot Act, and to designate themselves “Civil Liberties Safe Zones.” The organization also came to the defense of self-described radical attorney Lynne Stewart, who was convicted in 2005 of providing material support for terrorism.
    Black Alliance for Just Immigration: This organization seeks to create a unified movement for “social and economic justice” centered on black racial identity.
    Blueprint North Carolina: This group seeks to “influence state policy in North Carolina so that residents of the state benefit from more progressive policies such as better access to health care, higher wages, more affordable housing, a safer, cleaner environment, and access to reproductive health services.”
    Brennan Center for Justice: This think tank/legal activist group generates scholarly studies, mounts media campaigns, files amicus briefs, gives pro bono support to activists, and litigates test cases in pursuit of radical “change.”
    Brookings Institution: This organization has been involved with a variety of internationalist and state-sponsored programs, including one that aspires to facilitate the establishment of a U.N.-dominated world government. Brookings Fellows have also called for additional global collaboration on trade and banking; the expansion of the Kyoto Protocol; and nationalized health insurance for children. Nine Brookings economists signed a petitionopposing President Bush’s tax cuts in 2003.
    Campaign for America’s Future: This group supports tax hikes, socialized medicine, and a dramatic expansion of social welfare programs.
    Campaign for Better Health Care: This organization favors a single-payer, government-run, universal health care system.
    Campaign for Youth Justice: This organization contends that “transferring juveniles to the adult criminal-justice system leads to higher rates of recidivism, puts incarcerated and detained youth at unnecessary risk, has little deterrence value, and does not increase public safety.”
    Campus Progress: A project of the Soros-bankrolled Center for American Progress, this group seeks to “strengthen progressive voices on college and university campuses, counter the growing influence of right-wing groups on campus, and empower new generations of progressive leaders.”
    Casa de Maryland: This organization aggressively lobbies legislators to vote in favor of policies that promote expanded rights, including amnesty, for illegal aliens currently residing in the United States.
    Catalist: This is a for-profit political consultancy that seeks “to help progressive organizations realize measurable increases in civic participation and electoral success by building and operating a robust national voter database of every voting-age American.”
    Catholics for Choice: This nominally Catholic organization supports women’s right to abortion-on-demand.
    Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good: This political nonprofit group is dedicated to generating support from the Catholic community for leftwing candidates, causes, and legislation.
    Center for American Progress: This leftist think tank is headed by former Clinton chief of staff John Podesta, works closely with Hillary Clinton, and employs numerous former Clinton administration staffers. It is committed to “developing a long-term vision of a progressive America” and “providing a forum to generate new progressive ideas and policy proposals.”
    Center for Community Change: This group recruits and trains activists to spearhead leftist “political issue campaigns.” Promoting increased funding for social welfare programs by bringing “attention to major national issues related to poverty,” the Center bases its training programs on the techniques taught by the famed radical organizer Saul Alinsky.
    Center for Constitutional Rights: This pro-Castro organization is a core member of the open borders lobby, has opposed virtually all post-9/11 anti-terrorism measures by the U.S. government, and alleges that American injustice provokes acts of international terrorism.
    Center for Economic and Policy Research: This group opposed welfare reform, supports “living wage” laws, rejects tax cuts, and consistently lauds the professed achievements of socialist regimes, most notably Venezuela.
    Center for Reproductive Rights: CRR’s mission is to guarantee safe, affordable contraception and abortion-on-demand for all women, including adolescents. The organization has filed state and federal lawsuits demanding access to taxpayer-funded abortions (through Medicaid) for low-income women.
    Center for Responsible Lending: This organization was a major player in the subprime mortgage crisis. According to Phil Kerpen (vice president for policy at Americans for Prosperity), CRL “sh[ook] down and harass[ed] banks into making bad loans to unqualified borrowers.” Moreover, CRL negotiated a contract enabling it to operate as a conduit of high-risk loans to Fannie Mae.
    Center on Budget and Policy Priorities: Reasoning from the premise that tax cuts generally help only the wealthy, this organization advocates greater tax expenditures on social welfare programs for low earners.
    Center on Wisconsin Strategy (COWS): Aiming to redistribute wealth by way of higher taxes imposed on those whose incomes are above average, COWS contends that “it is important that state government be able to harness fair contribution from all parts of society – including corporations and the wealthy.”
    Change America Now: Formed in December 2006, Change America Now describes itself as “an independent political organization created to educate citizens on the failed policies of the Republican Congress and to contrast that record of failure with the promise offered by a Democratic agenda.”
    Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington: This group litigates and brings ethics charges against “government officials who sacrifice the common good to special interests” and “betray the public trust.” Almost all of its targets are Republicans.
    Coalition for an International Criminal Court: This group seeks to subordinate American criminal-justice procedures to those of an international court.
    Common Cause: This organization aims to bring about campaign-finance reform, pursue media reform resembling the Fairness Doctrine, and cut military budgets in favor of increased social-welfare and environmental spending.
    Constitution Project: This organization seeks to challenge the legality of military commissions; end the detainment of “enemy combatants”; condemn government surveillance of terrorists; and limit the President’s executive privileges.
    Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund: Defenders of Wildlife opposes oil exploration in Alaska’s Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. It condemns logging, ranching, mining, and even the use of recreational motorized vehicles as activities that are destructive to the environment.
    Democracy Alliance: This self-described “liberal organization” aims to raise $200 million to develop a funding clearinghouse for leftist groups. Soros is a major donor to this group.
    Democracy 21: This group is a staunch supporter of the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002, also known as the McCain-Feingold Act.
    Democracy Now!: Democracy Now! was created in 1996 by WBAI radio news director Amy Goodman and four partners to provide “perspectives rarely heard in the U.S. corporate-sponsored media,” i.e., the views of radical and foreign journalists, left and labor activists, and ideological foes of capitalism.
    Democratic Justice Fund: DJF opposes the Patriot Act and most efforts to restrict or regulate immigration into the United States — particularly from countries designated by the State Department as “terrorist nations.”
    Democratic Party: Soros’ funding activities are devoted largely to helping the Democratic Party solidify its power base. In a November 2003 interview, Soros stated that defeating President Bush in 2004 “is the central focus of my life” … “a matter of life and death.” He pledged to raise $75 million to defeat Bush, and personally donated nearly a third of that amount to anti-Bush organizations. “America under Bush,” he said, “is a danger to the world, and I’m willing to put my money where my mouth is.”
    Demos: This organization lobbies federal and state policymakers to “addres[s] the economic insecurity and inequality that characterize American society today”; promotes “ideas for reducing gaps in wealth, income and political influence”; and favors tax hikes for the wealthy.
    Drum Major Institute: This group describes itself as “a non-partisan, non-profit think tank generating the ideas that fuel the progressive movement,” with the ultimate aim of persuading “policymakers and opinion-leaders” to take steps that advance its vision of “social and economic justice.”
    Earthjustice: This group seeks to place severe restrictions on how U.S. land and waterways may be used. It opposes most mining and logging initiatives, commercial fishing businesses, and the use of motorized vehicles in undeveloped areas.
    Economic Policy Institute: This organization believes that “government must play an active role in protecting the economically vulnerable, ensuring equal opportunity, and improving the well-being of all Americans.”
    Electronic Privacy Information Center: This organization has been a harsh critic of the USA PATRIOT Act and has joined the American Civil Liberties Union in litigating two cases calling for the FBI “to publicly release or account for thousands of pages of information about the government’s use of PATRIOT Act powers.”
    Ella Baker Center for Human Rights: Co-founded by the revolutionary communist Van Jones, this anti-poverty organization claims that “decades of disinvestment in our cities” — compounded by “excessive, racist policing and over-incarceration” — have “led to despair and homelessness.”
    EMILY’s List: This political network raises money for Democratic female political candidates who support unrestricted access to taxpayer-funded abortion-on-demand.
    Energy Action Coalition: Founded in 2004, this group describes itself as “a coalition of 50 youth-led environmental and social justice groups working together to build the youth clean energy and climate movement.” For EAC, this means “dismantling oppression” according to its principles of environmental justice.
    Equal Justice USA: This group claims that America’s criminal-justice system is plagued by “significant race and class biases,” and thus seeks to promote major reforms.
    Fair Immigration Reform Movement: This is the open-borders arm of the Center for Community Change.
    Faithful America: This organization promotes the redistribution of wealth, an end to enhanced interrogation procedures vis a vis prisoners-of-war, the enactment of policies to combat global warming, and the creation of a government-run heath care system.
    Feminist Majority: Characterizing the United States as an inherently sexist nation, this group focuses on “advancing the legal, social and political equality of women with men, countering the backlash to women’s advancement, and recruiting and training young feminists to encourage future leadership for the feminist movement in the United States.”
    Four Freedoms Fund: This organization was designed to serve as a conduit through which large foundations could fund state-based open-borders organizations more flexibly and quickly.
    Free Exchange on Campus: This organization was created solely to oppose the efforts of one individual, David Horowitz, and his campaign to have universities adopt an “Academic Bill of Rights,” as well as to denounce Horowitz’s 2006 book The Professors. Member organizations of FEC include Campus Progress (a project of the Center for American Progress); the American Association of University Professors; the American Civil Liberties Union; People For the American Way; the United States Student Association; theCenter for Campus Free Speech; the American Library Association; Free Press; and the National Association of State Public Interest Research Groups.
    Free Press: This “media reform” organization has worked closely with many notable leftists and such organizations as Media Matters for America, Air America Radio, Global Exchange, Code Pink, Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting, the Revolutionary Communist Party, Mother Jones magazine, and Pacifica Radio.
    Funding Exchange: Dedicated to the concept of philanthropy as a vehicle for social change, this organization pairs leftist donors and foundations with like minded groups and activists who are dedicated to bringing about their own version of “progressive” change and social justice. Many of these grantees assume that American society is rife with racism, discrimination, exploitation, and inequity and needs to be overhauled via sustained education, activism, and social agitation.
    Gamaliel Foundation: Modeling its tactics on those of the radical Sixties activist Saul Alinsky, this group takes a strong stand against current homeland security measures and immigration restrictions.
    Gisha: Center for the Legal Protection of Freedom of Movement: This anti-Israel organization seeks to help Palestinians “exercise their right to freedom of movement.”
    Global Centre for the Responsibility to Protect: This group contends that when a state proves either unable or unwilling to protect civilians from mass atrocities occurring within its borders, it is the responsibility of the international community to intervene — peacefully if possible, but with military force if necessary.
    Global Exchange: Established in 1988 by pro-Castro radical Medea Benjamin, this group consistently condemns America’s foreign policy, business practices, and domestic life. Following the 9/11 terrorist attacks, Global Exchange advised Americans to examine “the root causes of resentment against the United States in the Arab world — from our dependence on Middle Eastern oil to our biased policy towards Israel.”
    Grantmakers Without Borders: GWB tends to be very supportive of leftist environmental, anti-war, and civil rights groups. It is also generally hostile to capitalism, which it deems one of the chief “political, economic, and social systems” that give rise to a host of “social ills.”
    Green For All: This group was created by Van Jones to lobby for federal climate, energy, and economic policy initiatives.
    Health Care for America Now: This group supports a “single payer” model where the federal government would be in charge of financing and administering the entire U.S. healthcare system.
    Human Rights Campaign: The largest “lesbian-gay-bisexual-transgender” lobbying group in the United States, HRC supports political candidates and legislation that will advance the LGBT agenda. Historically, HRC has most vigorously championed HIV/AIDS-related legislation, “hate crime” laws, the abrogation of the military’s “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy, and the legalization of gay marriage.
    Human Rights First: This group supports open borders and the rights of illegal aliens; charges that the Patriot Act severely erodes Americans’ civil liberties; has filed amicus curiae briefs on behalf of terror suspect Jose Padilla; and deplores the Guantanamo Bay detention facilities.
    Human Rights Watch: This group directs a disproportionate share of its criticism at the United States and Israel. It opposes the death penalty in all cases, and supports open borders and amnesty for illegal aliens.
    I’lam: This anti-Israel NGO seeks “to develop and empower the Arab media and to give voice to Palestinian issues.”
    Immigrant Defense Project: To advance the cause of illegal immigrants, the IDP provides immigration law backup support and counseling to New York defense attorneys and others who represent or assist immigrants in criminal justice and immigration systems, as well as to immigrants themselves.
    Immigrant Legal Resource Center: This group claims to have helped gain amnesty for some three million illegal aliens in the U.S., and in the 1980s was part of the sanctuary movement which sought to grant asylum to refugees from the failed Communist states of Central America.
    Immigrant Workers Citizenship Project: This open-borders organization advocates mass immigration to the U.S.
    Immigration Advocates Network: This alliance of immigrant-rights groups seeks to “increase access to justice for low-income immigrants and strengthen the capacity of organizations serving them.”
    Immigration Policy Center: IPC is an advocate of open borders and contends that the massive influx of illegal immigrants into America is due to U.S. government policy, since “the broken immigration system […] spurs unauthorized immigration in the first place.”
    Independent Media Center: This Internet-based, news and events bulletin board represents an invariably leftist, anti-capitalist perspective and serves as a mouthpiece for anti-globalization/anti-America themes.
    Independent Media Institute: IMI administers the SPIN Project (Strategic Press Information Network), which provides leftist organizations with “accessible and affordable strategic communications consulting, training, coaching, networking opportunities and concrete tools” to help them “achieve their social justice goals.”
    Institute for America’s Future: IAF supports socialized medicine, increased government funding for education, and the creation of an infrastructure “to ensure that the voice of the progressive majority is heard.”
    Institute for New Economic Thinking: Seeking to create a new worldwide “economic paradigm,” this organization is staffed by numerous individuals who favor government intervention in national economies, and who view capitalism as a flawed system.
    Institute for Policy Studies: This think tank has long supported Communist and anti-American causes around the world. Viewing capitalism as a breeding ground for “unrestrained greed,” IPS seeks to provide a corrective to “unrestrained markets and individualism.” Professing an unquestioning faith in the righteousness of the United Nations, it aims to bring American foreign policy under UN control.
    Institute for Public Accuracy: This anti-American, anti-capitalist, anti-Israel organization sponsored actor Sean Penn’s celebrated visit to Baghdad in 2002. It also sponsored visits to Iraq by Democratic Congressmen Nick Rahall and former Democrat Senator James Abourezk
    Institute for Women’s Policy Research: This group views the U.S. as a nation rife with discrimination against women, and publishes research to draw attention to this alleged state of affairs. It also advocates unrestricted access to taxpayer-funded abortion-on-demand, stating that “access to abortion is essential to the economic well-being of women and girls.”
    International Crisis Group: One of this organization’s leading figures is its Mideast Director, Robert Malley, who was President Bill Clinton’s Special Assistant for Arab-Israeli Affairs. His analysis of the Mideast conflict is markedly pro-Palestinian.
    J Street: This anti-Israel group warns that Israel’s choice to take military action to stop Hamas’ terrorist attacks “will prove counter-productive and only deepen the cycle of violence in the region”
    Jewish Funds for Justice: This organization views government intervention and taxpayer funding as crucial components of enlightened social policy. It seeks to redistribute wealth from Jewish donors to low-income communities “to combat the root causes of domestic economic and social injustice.” By JFJ’s reckoning, chief among those root causes are the inherently negative by-products of capitalism – most notably racism and “gross economic inequality.”
    Joint Victory Campaign 2004: Founded by George Soros and Harold Ickes, this group was a major fundraising entity for Democrats during the 2004 election cycle. It collected contributions (including large amounts from Soros personally) and disbursed them to two other groups, America Coming Together and the Media Fund, which also worked on behalf of Democrats.
    Justice at Stake: This coalition calls for judges to be appointed by nonpartisan, independent commissions in a process known as “merit selection,” rather than elected by the voting public.
    LatinoJustice PRLDF: This organization supports bilingual education, the racial gerrymandering of voting districts, and expanded rights for illegal aliens.
    Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights Under Law: This group views America as an unremittingly racist nation; uses the courts to mandate race-based affirmative action preferences in business and academia; has filed briefs against the Department of Homeland Security’s efforts to limit the wholesale granting of green cards and to identify potential terrorists; condemns the Patriot Act; and calls on Americans to “recognize the contribution” of illegal aliens.
    League of United Latin American Citizens: This group views America as a nation plagued by “an alarming increase in xenophobia and anti-Hispanic sentiment”; favors racial preferences; supports the legalization of illegal Hispanic aliens; opposes military surveillance of U.S. borders; opposes making English America’s official language; favors open borders; and rejects anti-terrorism legislation like the Patriot Act.
    League of Women Voters Education Fund: The League supports taxpayer-funded abortion-on-demand; supports “motor-voter” registration, which allows anyone with a driver’s license to become a voter, regardless of citizenship status; and supports tax hikes and socialized medicine.
    League of Young Voters: This organization seeks to “empowe[r] young people nationwide” to “participate in the democratic process and create progressive political change on the local, state and national level[s].”
    Lynne Stewart Defense Committee: IRS records indicate that Soros’s Open Society Institute made a September 2002 grant of $20,000 to this organization. Stewart was the criminal-defense attorney who was later convicted for abetting her client, the “blind sheik” Omar Abdel Rahman, in terrorist activities connected with his Islamic Group.
    Machsom Watch: This organization describes itself as “a movement of Israeli women, peace activists from all sectors of Israeli society, who oppose the Israeli occupation and the denial of Palestinians’ rights to move freely in their land.”
    MADRE: This international women’s organization deems America the world’s foremost violator of human rights. As such, it seeks to “communicat[e] the real-life impact of U.S. policies on women and families confronting violence, poverty and repression around the world,” and to “demand alternatives to destructive U.S. policies.” It also advocates unrestricted access to taxpayer-funded abortion-on-demand.
    Malcolm X Grassroots Movement: This group views the U.S. as a nation replete with racism and discrimination against blacks; seeks to establish an independent black nation in the southeastern United States; and demands reparations for slavery.
    Massachusetts Immigrant and Refugee Advocacy Coalition: This group calls for the expansion of civil rights and liberties for illegal aliens; laments that illegal aliens in America are commonly subjected to “worker exploitation”; supports tuition-assistance programs for illegal aliens attending college; and characterizes the Patriot Act as a “very troubling” assault on civil liberties.
    Media Fund: Soros played a major role in creating this group, whose purpose was to conceptualize, produce, and place political ads on television, radio, print, and the Internet.
    Media Matters for America: This organization is a “web-based, not-for-profit … progressive research and information center” seeking to “systematically monitor a cross-section of print, broadcast, cable, radio, and Internet media outlets for conservative misinformation.” The group works closely with the Soros-backed Center for American Progress, and is heavily funded by Democracy Alliance, of which Soros is a major financier.
    Mercy Corps: Vis a vis the Arab-Israeli conflict, Mercy Corps places all blame for Palestinian poverty and suffering directly on Israel.
    Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund: This group advocates open borders, free college tuition for illegal aliens, lowered educational standards to accommodate Hispanics, and voting rights for criminals. In MALDEF’s view, supporters of making English the official language of the United States are “motivated by racism and anti-immigrant sentiments,” while advocates of sanctions against employers reliant on illegal labor seek to discriminate against “brown-skinned people.”
    Meyer, Suozzi, English and Klein, PC: This influential defender of Big Labor is headed by Democrat operativeHarold Ickes.
    Midwest Academy: This entity trains radical activists in the tactics of direct action, targeting, confrontation, and intimidation.
    Migration Policy Institute: This group seeks to create “a North America with gradually disappearing border controls … with permanent migration remaining at moderate levels.”
    Military Families Speak Out: This group ascribes the U.S. invasion of Iraq to American imperialism and lust for oil.
    Missourians Organizing for Reform and Empowerment: This group is the rebranded Missouri branch of the now-defunct, pro-socialist, community organization ACORN. This Web-based organization supports Democratic political candidates through fundraising, advertising, and get-out-the-vote drives.
    Ms. Foundation for Women: This group laments what it views as the widespread and enduring flaws of American society: racism, sexism, homophobia, and the violation of civil rights and liberties. It focuses its philanthropy on groups that promote affirmative action for women, unfettered access to taxpayer-funded abortion-on-demand, amnesty for illegal aliens, and big government generally.
    NARAL Pro-Choice America: This group supports taxpayer-funded abortion-on-demand, and works to elect pro-abortion Democrats.
    NAACP Legal Defense and Education Fund: The NAACP supports racial preferences in employment and education, as well as the racial gerrymandering of voting districts. Underpinning its support for race preferences is the fervent belief that white racism in the United States remains an intractable, largely undiminished, phenomenon.
    The Nation Institute: This nonprofit entity sponsors leftist conferences, fellowships, awards for radical activists, and journalism internships.
    National Abortion Federation: This group opposes any restrictions on abortion at either the state or federal levels, and champions the introduction of unrestricted abortion into developing regions of the world.
    National Coalition to Abolish the Death Penalty: This group was established in 1976 as the first “fully staffed national organization exclusively devoted to abolishing capital punishment.”
    National Committee for Responsive Philanthropy: This group depicts the United States as a nation in need of dramatic structural change financed by philanthropic organizations. It overwhelmingly promotes grant-makers and grantees with leftist agendas, while criticizing their conservative counterparts.
    National Committee for Voting Integrity: This group opposes “the implementation of proof of citizenship and photo identification requirements for eligible electors in American elections as the means of assuring election integrity.”
    National Council for Research on Women: This group supports big government, high taxes, military spending cuts, increased social welfare spending, and the unrestricted right to taxpayer-funded abortion-on-demand.
    National Council of La Raza: This group lobbies for racial preferences, bilingual education, stricter hate-crime laws, mass immigration, and amnesty for illegal aliens.
    National Council of Women’s Organizations: This group views the United States as a nation rife with injustice against girls and women. It advocates high levels of spending for social welfare programs, and supports race and gender preferences for minorities and women in business and academia.
    National Immigration Forum: Opposing the enforcement of present immigration laws, this organization urges the American government to “legalize” en masse all illegal aliens currently in the United States who have no criminal records, and to dramatically increase the number of visas available for those wishing to migrate to the U.S. The Forum is particularly committed to opening the borders to unskilled, low-income workers, and immediately making them eligible for welfare and social service programs.
    National Immigration Law Center: This group seeks to win unrestricted access to government-funded social welfare programs for illegal aliens.
    National Lawyers Guild: This group promotes open borders; seeks to weaken America’s intelligence-gathering agencies; condemns the Patriot Act as an assault on civil liberties; rejects capitalism as an unviable economic system; has rushed to the defense of convicted terrorists and their abettors; and generally opposes all U.S. foreign policy positions, just as it did during the Cold War when it sided with the Soviets.
    National Organization for Women: This group advocates the unfettered right to taxpayer-funded abortion-on-demand; seeks to “eradicate racism, sexism and homophobia” from American society; attacks Christianity and traditional religious values; and supports gender-based preferences for women.
    National Partnership for Women and Families: This organization supports race- and sex-based preferences in employment and education. It also advocates for the universal “right” of women to undergo taxpayer-funded abortion-on-demand at any stage of pregnancy and for any reason.
    National Priorities Project: This group supports government-mandated redistribution of wealth — through higher taxes and greater expenditures on social welfare programs. NPP exhorts the government to redirect a significant portion of its military funding toward public education, universal health insurance, environmentalist projects, and welfare programs.
    National Public Radio: Founded in 1970 with 90 public radio stations as charter members, NPR is today a loose network of more than 750 U.S. radio stations across the country, many of which are based on college and university campuses. (source)
    National Security Archive Fund: This group collects and publishes declassified documents obtained through the Freedom of Information Act to a degree that compromises American national security and the safety of intelligence agents.
    National Women’s Law Center: This group supports taxpayer-funded abortion-on-demand; lobbies against conservative judicial appointees; advocates increased welfare spending to help low-income mothers; and favors higher taxes for the purpose of generating more funds for such government programs as Medicaid, food stamps, welfare, foster care, health care, child-support enforcement, and student loans.
    Natural Resources Defense Council: One of the most influential environmentalist lobbying groups in the United States, the Council claims a membership of one million people.
    New America Foundation: This organization uses policy papers, media articles, books, and educational events to influence public opinion on such topics as healthcare, environmentalism, energy policy, the Mideast conflict, global governance, and much more.
    New Israel Fund: This organization gives support to NGOs that regularly produce reports accusing Israel of human-rights violations and religious persecution.
    NewsCorpWatch: A project of Media Matters For America, NewsCorpWatch was established with the help of a $1 million George Soros grant to Media Matters.
    Pacifica Foundation: This entity owns and operates Pacifica Radio, awash from its birth with the socialist-Marxist rhetoric of class warfare and hatred for capitalism.
    Peace and Security Funders Group: This is an association of more than 60 foundations that give money to leftist anti-war and environmentalist causes. Its members tend to depict America as the world’s chief source of international conflict, environmental destruction, and economic inequalities.
    Peace Development Fund: In PDF’s calculus, the United States needs a massive overhaul of its social and economic institutions. “Recently,” explains PDF, “we have witnessed the negative effects of neo-liberalism and the globalization of capitalism, the de-industrialization of the U.S. and the growing gap between the rich and poor …”
    People for the American Way: This group opposes the Patriot Act, anti-terrorism measures generally, and the allegedly growing influence of the “religious right.”
    People Improving Communities Through Organizing: This group uses Alinsky-style organizing tactics to advance the doctrines of the religious left.
    Physicians for Human Rights: This group is selectively and disproportionately critical of the United States and Israel in its condemnations of human rights violations.
    Physicians for Social Responsibility: This is an anti-U.S.-military organization that also embraces the tenets of radical environmentalism.
    Planned Parenthood: This group is the largest abortion provider in the United States and advocates taxpayer-funded abortion-on-demand.
    Ploughshares Fund: This public grantmaking foundation opposes America’s development of a missile defense system, and contributes to many organizations that are highly critical of U.S. foreign policies and military ventures.
    Prepare New York: This group supported the proposed construction of a Muslim Community Center near Ground Zero in lower Manhattan – a project known as the Cordoba Initiative, headed by Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf.
    Presidential Climate Action Project: PCAP’s mission is to create a new 21st-century economy, completely carbon-free and based largely on renewable energy. A key advisor to the organization is the revolutionary communist Van Jones.
    Prison Moratorium Project: This initiative was created in 1995 for the express purpose of working for the elimination of all prisons in the United States and the release of all inmates. Reasoning from the premise that incarceration is never an appropriate means of dealing with crime, it deems American society’s inherent inequities the root of all criminal behavior.
    Progressive Change Campaign Committee: This organization works “to elect bold progressive candidates to federal office and to help [them] and their campaigns save money, work smarter, and win more often.”
    Progressive States Network: PSN’s mission is to “pass progressive legislation in all fifty states by providing coordinated research and strategic advocacy tools to forward-thinking state legislators.”
    Project Vote: This is the voter-mobilization arm of the Soros-funded ACORN. A persistent pattern of lawlessness and corruption has followed ACORN/Project Vote activities over the years.
    Pro Publica: Claiming that “investigative journalism is at risk,” this group aims to remedy this lacuna in news publishing by “expos[ing] abuses of power and betrayals of the public trust by government, business, and other institutions, using the moral force of investigative journalism to spur reform through the sustained spotlighting of wrongdoing.”
    Proteus Fund: This foundation directs its philanthropy toward a number of radical leftwing organizations.
    Public Citizen Foundation: Public Citizen seeks increased government intervention and litigation against corporations — a practice founded on the notion that American corporations, like the capitalist system of which they are a part, are inherently inclined toward corruption.
    Public Justice Center: Viewing America as a nation rife with injustice and discrimination, this organization engages in legislative and policy advocacy to promote “systemic change for the disenfranchised.”
    Rebuild and Renew America Now (a.k.a. Unity ’09): Spearheaded by and overseen by longtime activist Heather Booth, this coalition was formed to facilitate the passage of President Obama’s “historic” $3.5 trillion budget for fiscal year 2010.
    Res Publica: Seeking to advance far-left agendas in places all around the world, RP specializes in “E-advocacy,” or web-based movement-building.
    Secretary of State Project: This project was launched in July 2006 as an independent “527” organization devoted to helping Democrats get elected to the office of Secretary of State in selected swing, or battleground, states.
    Sentencing Project: Asserting that prison-sentencing patterns are racially discriminatory, this initiative advocates voting rights for felons.
    Social Justice Leadership: This organization seeks to transform an allegedly inequitable America into a “just society” by means of “a renewed social-justice movement.”
    Shadow Democratic Party: This is an elaborate network of non-profit activist groups organized by George Soros and others to mobilize resources — money, get-out-the-vote drives, campaign advertising, and policy iniatives — to elect Democratic candidates and guide the Democratic Party towards the left.
    Sojourners: This evangelical Christian ministry preaches radical leftwing politics. During the 1980s it championed Communist revolution in Central America and chastised U.S. policy-makers for their tendency “to assume the very worst about their Soviet counterparts.” More recently, Sojourners has taken up the cause of environmental activism, opposed welfare reform as a “mean-spirited Republican agenda,” and mounted a defense of affirmative action.
    Southern Poverty Law Center: This organization monitors the activities of what it calls “hate groups” in the United States. It exaggerates the prevalence of white racism directed against American minorities.
    State Voices: This coalition helps independent local activist groups in 22 states work collaboratively on a year-round basis, so as to maximize the impact of their efforts.
    Talking Transition: This was a two-week project launched in early November 2013 to “help shape the transition” to City Hall for the newly elected Democratic mayor of New York, Bill de Blasio.
    Think Progress: This Internet blog “pushes back, daily,” by its own account, against its conservative targets, and seeks to transform “progressive ideas into policy through rapid response communications, legislative action, grassroots organizing and advocacy, and partnerships with other progressive leaders throughout the country and the world.”
    Thunder Road Group: This political consultancy, in whose creation Soros had a hand, coordinates strategy for the Media Fund, America Coming Together, and America Votes.
    Tides Foundation and Tides Center: Tides is a major funder of the radical Left.
    U.S. Public Interest Research Group: This is an umbrella organization of student groups that support leftist agendas.
    Universal Healthcare Action Network: This organization supports a single-payer health care system controlled by the federal government.
    Urban Institute: This research organization favors socialized medicine, expansion of the federal welfare bureaucracy, and tax hikes for higher income-earners.
    USAction Education Fund: USAction lists its priorities as: “fighting the right wing agenda”; “building grassroots political power”; winning “social, racial and economic justice for all”; supporting a system of taxpayer-funded socialized medicine; reversing “reckless tax cuts for millionaires and corporations” which shield the “wealthy” from paying their “fair share”; advocating for “pro-consumer and environmental regulation of corporate abuse”; “strengthening progressive voices on local, state and national issues”; and working to “register, educate and get out the vote … [to] help progressives get elected at all levels of government.”
    Voto Latino: This group seeks to mobilize Latin-Americans to become registered voters and political activists.
    Working Families Party: An outgrowth of the socialist New Party, WFP seeks to help push the Democratic Party toward the left.
    World Organization Against Torture: This coalition works closely with groups that condemn Israeli security measures against Palestinian terrorism.
    YWCA World Office, Switzerland: The YWCA opposes abstinence education; supports universal access to taxpayer-funded abortion-on-demand; and opposes school vouchers.

    “Secondary” or “Indirect” Affiliates of the George Soros Network

    By Discover The Networks

    In addition to those organizations that are funded directly by George Soros and his Open Society Institute (OSI), there are also numerous “secondary” or “indirect” affiliates of the Soros network. These include organizations which do not receive direct funding from Soros and OSI, but which are funded by one or more organizations that do.

    Center for Progressive Leadership: Funded by the Soros-bankrolled Democracy Alliance, this anti-capitalist organization is dedicated to training future leftist political leaders.
    John Adams Project:This project of the American Civil Liberties Union was accused of: (a) having hired investigators to photograph CIA officers thought to have been involved in enhanced interrogations of terror suspects detained in Guantanamo, and then (b) showing the photos to the attorneys of those suspects, some of whom were senior al-Qaeda operatives.
    Moving Ideas Network (MIN): This coalition of more than 250 leftwing activist groups is a partner organization of the Soros-backed Center for American Progress. MIN was originally a project of the Soros-backed American Prospect and, as such, received indirect funding from the Open Society Institute. In early 2006, The American Prospect relinquished control of the Moving Ideas Network.
    New Organizing Institute: Created by the Soros-funded, this group “trains young, technology-enabled political organizers to work for progressive campaigns and organizations.”
    Think Progress: This “project” of the American Progress Action Fund, which is a “sister advocacy organization”of the Soros-funded Center for American Progress and Campus Progress, seeks to transform “progressive ideas into policy through rapid response communications, legislative action, grassroots organizing and advocacy, and partnerships with other progressive leaders throughout the country and the world.”
    Vote for Change: Coordinated by the political action committee of the Soros-funded, Vote for Change was a group of 41 musicians and bands that performed concerts in several key election “battleground”states during October 2004, to raise money in support of Democrat John Kerry’s presidential bid.
    Working Families Party: Created in 1998 to help push the Democratic Party toward the left, this front group for the Soros-funded ACORN functions as a political party that promotes ACORN-friendly candidates.