Normalcy Bias: The Uniquely Human Tendency to Believe that “Things Can’t Be That Bad”

by Mark Thoma

A year-and-a-half ago my brother gave me a copy of Guy McPherson’s book Going Dark. The book touched on many issues that had troubled me for some time and that I care passionately about. As a former TV news anchor/reporter and radio talk show host I figured the topic of “Near Term Human Extinction” was absolutely toxic for most Americans.  But I also felt it was a subject that needed to be at the center of AN IMMEDIATE, FRANK, AND HONEST NATIONAL DISCUSSION, and one that seemed tailor-made for a very specific style of indie film.

I called Guy, discussed my idea with him, and over the space of the next six months wrote, directed, and produced 22 After, the story of a documentary filmmaker interviewing 22 survivors following the collapse of civilization brought on by climate change. You can watch a few minutes of clips from the movie here.

Following the internet release in September of last year, 22 After was ultimately seen by some 26,000 people worldwide, but it had three (maybe four) main problems:
  • No real plot. Just a series of monologues from 22 survivors talking to the camera. Narrated segues from one character’s “scene” to the next, but no interaction between the filmmaker and the survivors.
  • Too many characters. No chance for emotional involvement with any one character before being thrown into the story of the next character.
  • Actors that for the most part didn’t look the part. While they delivered their lines convincingly, some of the actors looked much too healthy and well fed. In that respect the movie lacked a certain authenticity.
  • An absolutely toxic topic. Although I didn’t, and still don’t, consider this to be a deal-breaker, a couple of friends told me the film was just too disturbing to watch all the way through.

After discussing these issues with Guy and others I decided I’d like to remake the movie with substantial changes addressing the first three points.

The new movie, Normalcy Bias, would still be a docudrama of the “found video” style (a la Blair Witch Project). Shot entirely hand held, with available light, and without any music track or special effects it would tell the story of an amateur filmmaker who happens upon a small group of survivors (six or seven) and spends the next two or three weeks with them, interviewing them singly or in groups, foraging with them, capturing scenes of their day-to-day struggle to stay alive.

While I can write and direct a much more compelling movie, the one thing I can’t do is come up with the money to hire a professional make-up artist, rent a location, pay the industry minimum for a half dozen experienced (and skinny) actors, and do some basic post production work.

Here’s where you can help.

Somebody needs to make this movie!  A small, well-crafted indie film might get people talking, it might get some serious viewership among the several million of us who are truly frightened about what lies ahead for our children (if not us!), it might start a national dialogue that moves beyond kicking the carbon can down the road a few more decades when most scientists say it will definitely be too late. I know I can make this movie.

Interested?

– Share this blog with everyone you know: friends, relatives, and enemies.  Then tell them to share this blog anywhere and everywhere with everyone they know!

– WATCH THIS VIDEO THAT EXPLAINS NORMALCY BIAS! https://vimeo.com/131721993

– Go to this crowd fund site and give like the lives of your loved ones depend on it (because they do): http://www.gofundme.com/xu3k3k88

Here’s the deal.

We can shake our heads when we hear another “denier” make fun of people who are legitimately scared to death of what’s coming… OR WE CAN DO SOMETHING!

We can hope (with no reason for hope) that politicians will begin to listen to the scientists who say the problem is much worse than first thought… OR WE CAN DO SOMETHING!

We can buy hybrid cars and install solar panels on our roofs thinking that will make enough of a difference… OR WE CAN DO SOMETHING!

Please, do something.

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A Gift from the Muses, and J. Z. Colby

The Muses, or whatever you would like to call those mysterious sources of inspiration, don’t always just inspire. Sometimes they issue orders.

NEBADOR Book Nine: A Cry for Help is the conclusion of the epic NEBADOR young-adult science fiction saga, and brings the story to the most critical decision point for a civilization: live in balance with their one-and-only planet, or watch it die. The Muses have declared that I must GIVE Book Nine to anyone who is led to discover it by the mysterious workings of the universe. Although it is the ninth book of the series, it is sufficiently stand-alone to allow me to comply with the Muses’ wishes without too much shame.

But alas, the ultimate fate of the planet in the story was not revealed to me, and I chose not to just “make something up.” Some of the things they tried may not be possible on Earth, if for no other reason than because the hour, for us, is much later. In any case, I hope it is enjoyable, perhaps even thought-provoking, for those who can see far enough ahead to be a little worried about the future.

This offering may be reposted freely.

Preview with sample chapter: http://www.nebador.com/Book9.html
All editions, including free PDF, Kindle, and EPUB: http://www.nebador.com/Where9.html
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Comments 77

  • Really, very few people are going to watch a movie like this. It’s just more doomer porn, and appeals only to those who already have a taste for it. Also, as anybody in the movie business will tell you, the #1 key to getting your movie seen is having good distribution channels, which is way outside your bailiwick. Your project has no commercial potential, so no distributors are going to be interested.

    If you REALLY want to provoke a national (or international) discussion, here’s what to do instead: Stage a eco-version of the Lincoln-Douglass debates.

    Convince Guy and some high profile opponent (I’ll use Bill McKibbin as a cutout here) agree to go on national tour together to a series of top tier college venues, to go mano-a-mano on the #1 worldwide issue of the day (as just reported the other day in the press).

    You’d get massive press coverage, and with social media/young people, the debates would quickly trend and go viral – exactly what’s not happening right now as Guy travels around the world speaking to these smallish venues with local reporting at best, and very little in the way of follow-up.

    There are speakers’ bureaus already in place to support such a venture, because making speeches on hot topics makes money for everyone. You may not like the free market system, but it works.

    The big obstacle here is not money – but rather the willingness of the protagonists to do it. Somebody like McKibben may not want to give Guy and his views the publicity he otherwise wouldn’t have. And Guy apparently doesn’t really like doing these sort of direct debates with an opponent, either, for whatever reasons.

    But that’s the way to elevate this in the mass consciousness…not another doomer website, not another doomer movie, not another doomer book, not another doomer YouTube video.

  • “And Guy apparently doesn’t really like doing these sort of direct debates with an opponent, either, for whatever reasons.”

    More bullshit from ed. I’ve offered, upon request, to debate Hansen (twice) and also McKibben. Anthony Watts failed to show for a scheduled debate in his home town. I’ve made it clear I’ll debate anybody else willing to debate. Crickets.

  • Sure, I’ll help out some. I liked 22 After and I believe the new movie will be a hit.

    If nothing else, this movie should help some people grasp the dire need to prepare emotionally for what’s to come. Physical prep is important too. Having some stored water and food on hand to ease the panic if there is a sudden collapse helps one to feel better now.

  • I know I can make this movie.” – Mark Thoma

    Agreed, and it is a good idea.

    Apocalypse movies are quite popular, so long as they do not poison the waters (of what people have been indoctrinated into).

    If I may say so, the list of direct participants (“a professional make-up artist, rent a location, pay the industry minimum for a half dozen experienced … actors, and do some basic post production work”) needs an additional professional.

    A PR person.

    Today’s society in the U.S. is utterly trance-driven.

    There is a serious need, in any successful apocalyptic film, for a comprehensive understanding of the current circuits animating the culture, and who made them.

    Yes, who manufactured them (e.g. “manufactured consent”).

    PR people know what that is.

    Perhaps targeting other cultures, which have not been manufactured by a massive deceit industry (The Deceit Business), would be a better first entry.

    Just sayin’ …

  • ed,

    If you’re going to call a documentary covering a topic as real as normalcy bias “doomer porn,” that just demonstrates the topic sorely needs to be examined.

    Looking at human nature, all of it (good, bad, indifferent), is not doomer porn … it’s called reality.

    Most humans have a hard time truly dealing with the entirety of reality. I know that I do at times.

  • Dear Mark Thoma

    I would like to know how you got the idea, that suburban parents who had grown dependent on industrial civilization’s conveniences, would opt for murder-suicide via gassing their families collectively in their cars in their closed garages?

    I’m interested in the psychological perspective on that.

  • Some love is just a lie of the heart.” – Billy Joel, “It’s A Matter of Trust”

    (The Pillars of Knowledge: Faith and Trust?)

  • i’m sure you’ve all seen this by now:

    Motorists flee as wildfire races across California freeway

    http://news.yahoo.com/wildfire-sweeps-across-california-freeway-burns-cars-231415671.html#

    much more on the topic here:
    http://robinwestenra.blogspot.co.nz/2015/07/the-age-of-super-fires.html

    The Age of Super Fires

    Radio Ecoshock: New Age of Super Fires

    [one quote among many notable ones in the articles]

    Television doesn’t report on fires in Canada’s far north. Most of these blazes run their course with no one trying to put them out. How large can a fire get? A single large fire can be bigger than the island of Manhattan, which is 9,000 hectares, or more than 22,000 acres. One fire in the Canadian province of Quebec was 560,000 hectares, or 1.3 million acres.

    This summer of 2014, Parisien tells us, over 4.6 million hectares of forest burned (11.3 million acres) – that is larger than Switzerland. It’s a stunning amount of carbon taken from trees and forced into the atmosphere. That is when forests become a carbon source, rather than a carbon sink. It’s also a huge burst of black soot, a global warming agent on it’s own, and a contributor to the blackening of Greenland.

    [It’s all connected, forest fires to sea level rise: read more at link]

    Good luck on the movie project Mark.

  • ed-“You may not like the free market system, but it works.”

    show me an example of this free market you speak of…
    free?
    free for who?

  • Sorry, just can’t stay on the sidelines for this. The most glaring notation, of all of the above, is: “no commercial potential”. Of course not and there shouldn’t be. The boat is sinking; obscene to sell deck chairs.

    For close to a century, the tobacco industry has owned Congress. They still do. They have testified that “nicotine is not addictive”. The energy wing of the “complex” is in the same lockstep. They’ve financially manipulated the puppets the same way. 170 Republican members of the current Congress have taken over $63M in campaign contributions. All of them have been quoted as saying: “the earth is currently in a natural warming cycle”.

    As long as Congress holds the Sword of Damocles over the heads of the scientists they slander, we’re only going to get parsed words. Real debate won’t/can’t happen. With a new election cycle on our doorstep, maybe a special visit to D.C. on the first Monday in October?

    And, for Babajingo-

    Not really “in” Bethesda; that’s just where the white uniformed coats are. And, since I stopped all treatments, my appetite is slowly returning without additional stimuli. Nice herbal thought, but not conducive to my actual environs.

    Please use care in your “clicking”; lots of algorithms at work. The goddess started out nicely but became more like Ares than her father Jupiter. 1942 was a long time ago and a lot happened that year; the CNA is now a huge branch. You may have noticed your original link posting, like so many tidbits, is now gone.

  • It may be pointless to work out a new method of disseminating information to more and more people. The truth is the planet is suffering at the hands of humanity. Many of the travelers on this planet are about to go extinct because of us. We are essentially genocidal criminals creating crimes against all other species. The presumption here is that it’s a good thing to keep humans around. I think that all the other species might have something to say about that. Maybe, just maybe, it is the correct thing to do to just let it go. From what I’ve seen, most people who are involved in doomer culture, which I certainly am, are mostly interested in continuing the paradigm through other means, which I am not. They still want cars, highways, food from supermarkets, air-conditioning, water from their tabs, and every other little convenience of civilization. To do anything about this means the end of industrial civilization. There is no kinder gentler way of doing this. There will be many people killed, dislocated, starved, diseased, and wiped out. As Guy McPherson notes, we all die. Whether it is from our own stupidity or from being eaten by a lion seems irrelevant. He is completely correct that we should be in this moment since it is the only moment we ever have. There is no such thing as a past except for memory traces and there certainly is no such thing as a future except for our expectations which are bathed in fear and hope and irrational expectations.

  • Mark- Congrats and best wishes on the making your new film!
    Of course it would have to be independent of conventional hollywood financing….
    For many years now, there have been rumors of a big Hollywood film version of Abbey’s “The Monkey Wrench Gang”. Dylan was rumored to have composed the soundtrack. But it never happened, the film rights were sold and were buried in an undisclosed location, along with Abbey’s remains.

    THE MONKEY WRENCH GANG: THE MOVIE http://www.coldsplinters.com/2009/06/the-monkey-wrench-gang-the-movie/
    “Edward Abbey’s eco-sabotage classic, The Monkey Wrench Gang, is coming to the silver screen. While the idea of an Abbey book becoming a movie is wonderful, I’m not so into the cast: Matthew McConaughey, Jack Nicholson, Richard Dreyfuss, John Goodman, and Elizabeth Shue.
    I assume that Goodman will play George Hayduke, a pissed off bearded ex-green beret who measures distances between two places by how many six packs he can drink while driving. Hayduke is out for the blood of those destroying his beloved desert and will for sure be the main character.
    My other guesses are Dreyfuss as Doc Sarvis (not horrible), Shue as Bonnie Abzug (Abzug is just 28 years old and her age plays an important role in her relationship with Abzug. Shue is 46) and McConaughey as Seldon Seen Smith. Whoever Jack Nicholson is, he’ll fuck it up, guarantee it.
    The director? Catherine Hardwicke, of Twilight fame. Weiiird.
    Anyone know more than me?
    Look: The Monkey Wrench gang on Hollywood.com”

    The above is not my opinion as to actors, just a quote.
    Plus that link they listed, hollywood. com is now dead, as is the whole entire project.

  • It seems to me that we really have only two choices. Suicide on a personal level or the collective suicide that is living in the modern society of which it is damn near impossible to opt out of, I know because I have tried many times over my 50+ years.

  • In reference to Ed, sir you are more than a few brick’s short of a full load in the ideal set of a “Free Market System”
    I have studied social science’s and economics when I went to school what did you study ignorance and denial of present day calamity’s, as Dr. McPherson can give you a great lecture on destruction of habitat through human involvement, I say to you sir it is plain and simple
    the free market is free to screw over the environment and it’s
    inhabitants as soon as possible, one example I will give you, me and
    my girlfriend used to live in Riverton,Wy. and about 1/4 mile away
    there was a old used uranium pit still not covered up, so I did some digging around and found out that around town some of the locals family’s had above average cancer deaths and most of those were within a 2 mile radius of were we lived, so Ed stick your free market brain as far up your butt as you can, By the Ed there is no such as freedom everything always has to rely something else to survive.

    P.S.

    In reference to Wyoming that was part of the free market system, and if you still don’t understand maybe you should educate
    yourself and read the like’s of Paine,Chomsky,Hedges,Zinn,West,
    Parenti and finally one of the few in the world that make’s sense
    to me Dr. McPherson, and also Honorable Mention to Dr. Sagan.

  • response in no particular order:

    Ed- WTF? “…making speeches on hot topics makes money for everyone. You may not like the free market system.”
    Really? really? I love the free market system. I love the fact that (in the U.S. particularly) I’m “free” to lie about the benefits of a product, coverup the real cost to society of bringing that product to market, legally destroy competition for that product, and in some cases even kill people with the product and get away with it. What’s not to love about that? So Ed why do you assume that I don’t like the ‘free market’. The rest of your comments are just silly.
    ‘Doomer porn?’ Ed, if it’s anything like regular porn I wouldn’t need to market it at all. Hell that’s the only thing that keeps the internet alive. And your ridiculous assertion that begins with “…not another doomer movie.” To my knowledge this style of “doomer movie” has only been done once before, and, uh, I made it.
    The rest of your comments just sound like they came some ignorant doofus who likes seeing his words in print. Where I come from we call that a troll. Is that you Ed? Mr. Ed Troll. works for me.

    Frondoad- when writing the script for “22 After” I wondered what would be the reaction from many/most parents when discovering shortly after the collapse of society that the immediate and foreseeable future was not only bleak but in fact hopeless. I came to the conclusion that faced with that reality many/most parents would opt for family suicide. I ran this part of the script by a couple with two 7-year-olds. They agreed completely. So I ran it by a another couple with younger children. They agreed as well. So I decided the possibility of this scenario was intellectually honest and kept the scene in the movie. The school suicide scene came from my recollection of the Jonestown mass suicide in 1978. Hundreds of parents murdered their children on pretty shaky evidence of impending doom…

    Dredd – I agree with you about a marketing guru for the movie. I guess as in “22 After” I just kind of figured that if the movie was good enough someone would step forward and say “hey, this movie is pretty f’ing good, let me help you market it.” I think “22 After” fell short of the mark by quite a distance and that’s what that person never stepped forward. But that will be a mute point unless I can find some kind of funding for “Normalcy Bias” and that seems doubtful at this point. Like I said in the crowd funding video, no studio or group is going to want to be associated with this project unless it’s already completed and shows some real viewership potential. And I simply don’t have the money to do it alone. I did “22 After” without one penny of anyone else’s money and I can’t afford to do that again. But if you want to help IN ANY WAY Guy can put you in touch with me.

    Wren – I can’t see Hollywood ever doing this movie… especially in the ‘found video docucrama’ a la “Blair Witch Project” and that’s what makes it so interesting. A chance to do a no-holds-barred flick that is brutally honest without some Hollywood studio exec saying “…well we can’t say that, that would offend (big oil, big agra, big tech, etc.). And a big name star would just ruin the premise of a docudrama, the same way a music track would, or special effects would.

    Back to what I/We need to make this movie is some concrete ideas on raising the 20k it would take (give or take 5k). That might be chump change for people of substance but it’s beyond my meager means. And I just don’t know of any people with that kind of money to invest who would be interested in THIS MOVIE.
    If you do, once again Guy can put you in touch with me.
    mark

  • JC Dolph- I actually had no idea one of my posts had disappeared! I have an old tired brain, so I don’t even remember which one it was. Oh well.

    Good luck with your movie, Mark! I appreciate and admire the desire to get films made. It’s always a tough road but I wish you the best.

  • I ‘promote’ 22 After all the time, maybe giving away 200 copies so far, I’m currently grouping it with Cowspiracy, and one of Guys more informative/less touchy feely talks. I think it is the best ‘I told ya so’ movie out there.
    Thanks Mark
    What A Way To Go was great, to but a bit long.

  • Richard Davies says: “We are essentially genocidal criminals creating crimes against all other species. The presumption here is that it’s a good thing to keep humans around. I think that all the other species might have something to say about that.”

    Couldn’t agree with you more! Thanks for your post.

    Joseph Ratliff says:
    “ ed,
    If you’re going to call a documentary covering a topic as real as normalcy bias “doomer porn,” that just demonstrates the topic sorely needs to be examined.
    Looking at human nature, all of it (good, bad, indifferent), is not doomer porn … it’s called reality.
    Most humans have a hard time truly dealing with the entirety of reality. I know that I do at times.”

    Excellent points! Reality indeed.

    I would like to add that what we are witnessing is a direct result of humans ability (ability? need a different word here) to commodify, exploit, objectify—– whether it be women, certain ethnicities or the nonhuman world. It’s all the same.
    Don’t want to get into a porn battle either—-suffice it to say one of my white, male heroes is (besides Guy), Bob Jensen. Just sayin and I’m sticking with it.

  • Love is friendliness, kindness, caring for, giving to, feeling with, helping, being patient, understanding, protecting, sharing, being with, supporting, listening to, comforting, healing, aiding, teaching, touching, hugging, smiling, doing good…. Without love life loses it’s value and falls apart into it’s opposites – which are hate, war, envy, greed, fear, anger, , suspicion, hurtfulness, cynicism, egotism, betrayal, sadism, torture, killing, rudeness, stealing, selfishness, narcissism, hard heartedness, uncaring….

    Set before us are love and hate, life and death, happiness and misery. In every situation choose what you will follow, what will you serve? This is not some abstract philosophy – this is our life in every moment. What are you serving? Does your speech, your action, you life serve good or evil. It’s really pretty simple. In every situation of your daily life, ask yourself if you are serving love or something else. What kind of world would be living in if everyone did that? Would there be war and gross inequality? Would making money be the meaning of life? If we don’t do this simple practice, who or what can save us? We are each responsible to make the right choices that lead toward a better world now. This practice does not depend on whether the world ends tomorrow or not. This consciousness is effective in your own case and in the case of those you are with immediately and consistently. If we do not do this, what kind of world can we reasonably expect? Your call….

  • mike k says , ” If we do not do this, what kind of world can we reasonably expect? Your call….”

    Bwarrrrharrr, guarf, guarf, Huhhuh gawheeee! We’ve already done it, you silly git! It’s over, that’s what we are, here, lost, destroyed, consumed! You’re so fucking special! You’re so far above and beyond the rest of us that you don’t live on the same place the rest of us do. Daniel is right, you’re a total smeghead! From now on, I swear, on my honor, that I will never read another of your smeging posts again!

  • @Caroline, “capacity”?

    I was stricken by your story of the lake, in the last thread. What an appalling group of people, this “lake association”. It really goes to show there is no hope: we are omnicidal.

    I know what you mean about the lack of energy and interest in normal things. This anti-development group has distracted me into “action” against despair, but it brings its own kind of despair, as neighbors respond to my letters to the editor with their own, declaring that “People are More Important than Dirt”.

    o-O

  • Finally, Congress held a real hearing on climate change.

    http://www.c-span.org/video/?327180-1/house-democrats-discuss-climate-change

  • Just as “Have a nice day” can be said sarcastically, so too ” Love” can be said sarcastically – or superciliously.

  • “Finally” – As we know, none of the verbosity and political correctness will do a thing. We need to be evacuating “Precious” Annapolis. It is GONE forever. This is not a revelation on NBL. This is too funny. The C-Span 3 committee met approximately 40-50 years too late and, THEN, had to recognize and praise each and everyone at the event. THEN, the stupid lady had to talk about scenarios in terms of 30-40 years down the road, and how we could reduce the Sea Level Rise (SLR) from 20 inches to only 3. Where did she get her calculations? We will be totally gone by then.

    I happily know a privileged family or two in the area and they are clueless. Too fuckin’ bad.

    I went to a democratic party meeting, ONCE, years ago in the 90’s and heard nothing but drivel. Praise for all of our special representatives and smug, knowing looks of majesty and importance of all there. The room reeked of scumbags that swelled with pride and knew a grand total of nothing except how great and accomplished they were.

    Those same individuals are still around and some are in jail. Filthy humans.

    Ahhhh, this is a ‘great’ and ‘proud’ capitalist racist slavery war machine that we live with. Fuck all the higher ups. Fuck’um all. The witless greedy bastards.

  • Has anyone read David Ray Griffin’s new book “Unprecedented: Can Civilization Survive the CO2 Crisis?” I just read a blurb about it and was curious what people think. I know he was deeply involved in the 9-11 “truth” movement and I don’t think he has any particular scientific credentials in the area of climate change, but I’m wondering if his work on this is solid at all. Any critiques out there?

  • ‘But I also felt it was a subject that needed to be at the center of AN IMMEDIATE, FRANK, AND HONEST NATIONAL DISCUSSION’

    I felt that the self-destructive and omni-destructive nature of the fossil-based economic system needed to be at the centre of immediate, frank, and honest national discussion more than 15 years ago…. and took the appropriate steps of writing books, writing articles, organising television and radio interviews, raising the crucial issues of the times with central government and local government etc.

    None of that activism made a scrap of difference, and the monster of neo-fascism -the melding of government and corporate interests- continued on its path of destruction, lying continuously to the masses in order to keep them from recognising the truth about anything and in order to keep them consuming their children’s futures.

    Four decades after all the major issues had been clearly identified and four decades of no action being taken to ameliorate any of them -indeed practically all actions by governments and corporations over the past four decades have been geared to making everything that matters worse, humanity (if there is such a thing) has now run out of time.

    Propping up the failing energy supply through the use of low EROEI has simply dug the hole of overpopulation and overconsumption deeper, and now those low EROEI energy sources have become unprofitable as a consequence of low energy prices associated with the unravelling of Ponzi finance and Ponzi economics.

    Bond markets are in chaos. There are massive house price bubbles all around the world, and the banksters are close to losing control of everything….. pushing on a piece of string, as the saying goes.

    On the local scene, the diary pay-out has dropped yet again, (3.75 to $4.00, from %8.30 last year), the oil and gas sector is languishing as a consequence of oil prices being around half what they were a year ago, and the engineering sector is in terminal decline. The effect will be cumulative over the coming months.

    The fall in the value of the NZ dollar (down from 88cent US to around 67 cents) will soon translate into higher import costs….and it is only the stampede into Auckland from overseas, along with burgeoning government borrowing, that is keeping NZ afloat.

    All ayes are on Greece, and Puerto Rico, and Portugal and Spain, and Ukraine….of course, yet there are dozens of nations in similar predicaments.

    And there is the ‘small’ matter of the western-state mega-drought, which may get a lot worse over the coming months, or may be alleviated by torrential rains that wash away infrastructure. As with the meltdown of the Arctic Sea ice, it’s f=difficult to pick the short term trend, even if the longer=term trend is clear.

    Red lights are flashing everywhere, and it is difficult to envision ‘the system’ remaining intact much beyond September 2015.

    As I see it, that leaves just two possible scenarios: a successful revolution or collapse which overturns the ‘new world order’ or overt fascism (as opposed to the covert fascism that characterises current arrangements throughout the western world). At this point of time I suspect it will be overt fascism, since the bulk of the populace still cannot see the writing on the wall, even though it is written in letters ten feet tall and illuminated with spotlights.

    .

  • Caroline,

    Spoken from my heart:

    “I appreciate being able to think about these things, write about these things without being desperately starving, thirsty, cold, hot, tired, terrified . . . when that happens I’m afraid all bets are off—-we will long for the good old days of cyber crankiness mixed with love, love, love at NBL!”

    Your very sad lake experience is absolutely horrifying to me.

    So far, using herbicides of the kind you mention are, as far as I know, still prohibited here. However, the TTIP (that evil trans-atlantic trade and investment agreement) imminent to be instituted here in Europe will no doubt change all that.
    So far, the European environmental directives have protects Nature a bit better here. But these directives are already being watered down, no doubt in preparation for the truly free market which ed praises so much, because it MUST convert the remaining bits life into money. That’s FREEDOM!!!

    When I read about the “freedom” of the market and its results, what it makes available for people (including lake societies) to use in the US, and that this system which is extending its command for a “level playing field”, levelling everything – for the benefit of a minority of humans – it getting away with it all over the globe, I still can’t help but rage inside.

    The people here in Europe are very much against this treaty which has been agreed in secret. They are letting the facilitating politicians know, but to no avail. This is like a nightmare with a paralysing effect, but it’s not a nightmare, it’s real. We can only rebel in our own way, find a way in our immediate surroundings, what else can we do?

    Oh yes, and agree with shep’s opinion about politicians, everywhere, not only in the US.

    Mark,

    your idea for this film is a creative way of raging. I hope you can get it made, even though I know it’s much too late. Nonetheless, it’s necessary, a paradox, like so many things in life.

  • Bwarrrrharrr, guarf, guarf, Huhhuh gawheeee! We’ve already done it, you silly git! It’s over, that’s what we are, here, lost, destroyed, consumed!

    I see^^ Well, that’s kinda spooky… Obviously, lost, destroyed, wasted people still speak and fight against others nevertheless 🙂 Man really is a rather strange, mostly self-contradicting and sometimes even very funny species 😀

    Well, Ok, it’s over… just go on anyway… 😎

  • Robin Datta Says:
    July 19th, 2015 at 12:49 am

    Just as “Have a nice day” can be said sarcastically, so too ” Love” can be said sarcastically – or superciliously.
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    Right on !

    Such as “I really love this civilization.”

  • Some love civilisation, others hate it- but everybody is using it anyway 🙂 A computer, internet, this blog of NTE ect is also civilisation 😎

  • Somehow, don’t recall how now, about three weeks ago on a trip to the lumber yard, my neighbor, the driver of the vehicle, began asking me if I believed all this “Climate Shit”.
    “I do,” I said.
    “Hope it don’t happen too soon. I just wanna make some more money,” said he.
    My head turned towards him to see if he was smiling—JOKING.
    He wasn’t.
    WE’ER FUCKED!

  • heard this fucking shit on the radio today. “oh it’s hard to be a cop.’ oh really!

    how hard is it to shoot someone when there are mobs of policemen AND women around with god damn doughnut bellies and fat asses, PTSD, pistols and AR-15 in their hands, sneers on their faces, AND hatred for blacks in their heads. not only is it easy, it is pathic. this is the worst of sins that these bible toting assholes perpetrate.

  • Mark, after watching the video on normalcy bias I’m left wondering why actors are used? I’ve seen clips like this ——haggard looking people who’ve lost it all due to climate change induced disasters—–and they are not actors. This is their reality right now. People who have lost everything due to drought, floods, tornadoes, mountain top mining, fracking, water/air/soil pollution and on and on and on.

    I wish I were more convinced that something could be done at this point. I’m not, that’s why I come to this site that addresses NTHE. I’m trying to move with as much grace/wisdom as possible into acceptance.
    With that said, kudos to you for trying.
    Since humans have inhabited this planet there have been those that have painted, sung, written, danced, made desperate and poignant pleas about our predicament.

    Works of poetry, prose, fiction that convey the miraculous thin fabric of life on this earth and how humans have the ability to destroy it. Nothing has worked to change this trajectory blazed by homo sapiens. Temporarily yes, (Rachel Carson’s Silent Spring helped a bit for a while—as but one example) but not in the big picture.
    Then there is the California drought.
    Check this out at about 3:40, good point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2xT7uCA2gI

  • “This anti-development group has distracted me into ‘action’ against despair, but it brings its own kind of despair, as neighbors respond to my letters to the editor with their own, declaring that ‘People are More Important than Dirt’.”

    I’m sure there is something in the bible that links people to dirt. Is it ‘dust to dust…’? Then there’s the Lilies of the Field sermon. There *has* to be something in the bible (or even in the pope’s encyclical) that could make such people trip over their tongues just a bit. 🙂

    Then there’s the fact that people need peace and relief from stress, and that is what open land provides. And there are those statistics–half the wild animals on earth gone in the last 40 years…even as the human population has doubled. ‘What do you say to *that*?’ ‘Where’s your sense of decency?’ OK, we don’t understand the web of life, and that the loss of 200 species a day means the unraveling of human support…and that the paved-over land eliminated species, their habitats, their migration routes. Ah, never mind. Forget that.

    Or we could always tell them that there’s plenty of room in cities for people, if they’d only build them better and avoid those one-story malls, and boulevards wide enough for army tanks. OK, scrap that too. Too many of *US* don’t believe in cities…and those army tanks may soon be needed.

    Ah well, I’m all out of arrows. I guess there’s nothing we can do.

  • Oops—-Lidia I thanked you for “capacity” and more on the previous thread.

    Thanks Sabine for sharing what is happening in Europe and, as always, for your posts.

    RE thanks for linking to your latest article—–nice touch with the embedded videos! (I see dead people, Arnold S and more)

  • shep- Those cops also hate environmentalists. A few years ago, at a peaceful occupation of an official’s office in Humbolt, Ca, cops sprayed the demonstrators’ eyes point blank with pepper spray, then also force rubbed it into their eyes with q-tips. The demonstrators were locked down with their arms in ‘sleeves’, unable to defend themselves against attack.
    Given the chance, I’m sure these cops would not Hesitate to Kill these people who oppose their puppet masters -the big timber industry.

    These cops and mt’s neighbor are surely some sub-species of human, not like us, I would hope. At least not like me! 😉 Included in that group are many of my ‘neighbors’, including one obese individual who buys roundup in 55 gallon drums so he can sell it cheaply by the gallon to all his neighbors who use it because they are lazy fucks. Anything that can’t be cut down with a riding mower, gets sprayed. Any insects who manage to survive this are killed by their fucking electric bug zappers.

    Artleads- We are animate dirt. A big chunk of our protective micro-biome comes from dirt. Children raised in a dirt free environment suffer life threatening allergies.
    And please, do not succumb to the passive defeatism of your final statement. When you’re all out of arrows, there are always rocks, and Dirt, glorious dirt !!
    Resist to the bitter end. You might find it empowering. After all, what have you got to lose?

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  • “boulevards wide enough for army tanks.”

    General Dwight David Eisenhower noted der Führer’s fine autobahns of the Third Reich while administering the coup de grâce to the Kampfwert B & C divisions of Wehrmacht (all the Kampfwert A divisions having been deployed to and degraded on the Eastern Front).

    President Dwight David Eisenhower wanted a similar system of roads in America to move the Army around freely. The Interstate highway system had to be wide enough for tank trailers.

    In a military exercise in 1919, Lieutenant Colonel Eisenhower led a convoy of military trucks from Washington DC to San Francisco: it took them 62 days and substantial hardships. The lesson had not been lost on that supply and transportation corps officer.

    Our severe overshoot of Earth’s carrying cacacity Is supported by CONG (coal, oil natural gas). Eliminating fossil fuels will undercut that support and crash the population. That is why no one with power or influence will step forward to advocate concrete steps in that direction. Business As Usual will advance us further down the net energy cliff of declining ERoEI and accomplish the same population crash, if not effected earlier by abrupt climate change. But BAU and abrupt climate change both would be without an ostensible scapegoat.

  • Doom Porn – The Abnormality Virus

    Usually when I write 10 jokes one of them is funny, mostly.

    50% of Europe’s renewable energy comes from burning imported wood.

    98% of Indonesia’s rainforests will be gone in 10 years.

    50% of China’s rivers have disappeared since 1990.

    50% of China’s groundwater is too toxic to even touch.

    20% of China’s soil is too toxic to grow food.

    In 10 years, 4 billion people will be short of water.

    In 20 years, Food & Water Wars will be normal.

    In 30 years Mass Extinction goes into Runaway Mode.

    Trees Vs. Food http://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/3d4ucy/forests_or_food_which_is_it/

    Mass Extinction Numbers http://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/311m7d/collapse_data_cheat_sheet/

    Renewable Bullshit http://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/39wy9g/why_green_energy_is_a_false_god/

  • Wren,

    Thanks for your passion and fighting spirit. No, I hadn’t quite “given up.” It’s just that I *think* I don’t have any hope. And that I do what I do just to do it. I was being half tongue in cheek. What you say about dirt is a good lesson for me, and I hope for others.

    Robin,

    So you could say that the highway system (a land use issue) had much to do with running down “ERoEI,” and causing a long chain of events that *will* likely call for using those tanks. Good ol’ Ike. 🙂

  • Lidia,

    “People are More Important than Dirt” just lends support to the adage that most people are dumber than shit.

    Not to worry, once the wheels come off for good the 4k citizens of your town will eventually be reduced to eating whatever the fine Vermont dirt can still provide before they themselves become one with it. But first, they’ll have to figure out what to do with all their shit that no longer can be conveniently flushed away. Heck, they might even realize it too can be responsibly composted to augment their maligned dirt with their own humanure. Failing that, they can use the 1+ million sf complex to crap in. Toilet paper may be hard to come by tho.

    Forget the doomer survivalist rubric of gold, guns, and ammo. I want TP, dental floss, and my electric toothbrush. Some vials of morphine would be nice too, or some heroin. But, at least I know how to compost my humanure. For those who don’t one can expect cholera to prove just how much dumber than shit people are.

  • This is what I am faced with. A few positive “ataboys” (thanks), many of you saying “why bother, we’re all fucked”?, some stuff about “love” and “hate”, a few others saying “good luck with that”. If I had taken my plea for a second chance to the readers of 350.org I’m guessing their reaction would be something like “a film that negative is just going to convince people to give up and not try to solve the problem.”
    I’m going to share something with those of you still reading the comments here:
    About 26 years ago I was a TV reporter at WKRG-TV in Mobile, Alabama. I was probably the most popular reporter at the station with a weekly “Let Mark do your Job” feature report. One day I was sent to cover a hard news story where the Director of the Alabama Dept. of Conservation proudly announced a land swap deal that would allow three private golf courses on a previously undeveloped 150-acre parcel of absolutely pristine gulf coast beachfront property. After a ten minute talk extolling the virtues of eco-tourism at a “Pebble Beach on the Gulf” the director asked if any of us had any questions. Cynically (and somewhat naively) I asked the Director (a former Shell Oil executive) in front of room of happy local businessmen, “Why not just pave it?” After a few nervous laughs I went on to ask him if paving the property wouldn’t be more environmentally friendly than the thousands of gallons of week killer, pesticides, fertilizer, etc. that it would take to maintain three 18-hole golf courses every year. I went on to ask if “eco-tourism” wasn’t just happy talk meant to conjur up images of wetlands with boardwalks when in fact what he was really describing was miles and miles of non-native grasses, club houses, motels, and golfers tooling around in carts?
    I was fired the next day, and while I went on to land reporting jobs in some much bigger cities over the next 20 years, my career never quite recovered from the setback. It caused a riff between my wife and I that eventually led to divorce and any chance I had to see my two beautiful kids grow up. They now don’t really speak to me anymore.
    I’d like to say that I’d do it all over again but to be honest I just don’t know.
    Only one person offered me any support back then, and that was a chapter president of “Greenpeace” or the local equivalent. When I asked if he knew anyone who would hire me the phone went silent.
    My brother (the one who gave me Guy’s book in December of 2014 says I shouldn’t bother remaking “22 After”. but like I said I’m a bit of an activist. So I’ll keep asking people to give me money until somebody gives me enough to get the movie made.

  • Ed,

    Regarding your comment “And Guy apparently doesn’t really like doing these sort of direct debates with an opponent, either, for whatever reasons” a couple of years ago I wrote to Guy, Hansen, Derrick Jensen, and McKibben proposing a well-publicized debate. Guy immediately and enthusiastically said yes; Jensen said yes, on the condition that it would occur as a discussion, not as a “debate”, Hansen said no, that he was “too busy”, and McKibben completely ignored me, not responding at all.

  • babajingo Says:
    July 19th, 2015 at 1:59 am
    “Has anyone read David Ray Griffin’s new book “Unprecedented: Can Civilization Survive the CO2 Crisis?” I just read a blurb about it and was curious what people think. I know he was deeply involved in the 9-11 “truth” movement and I don’t think he has any particular scientific credentials in the area of climate change, but I’m wondering if his work on this is solid at all. Any critiques out there?”

    Personally, i think Griffin is way too optimistic about “alternative energy” and the ability to change WITHIN capitalism. I really liked his 9/11 books, i do think he’s naive when it coms to understanding capitalism and “democracy.”

  • Having almost finished my first reading of Greenberg and Goldman’s Emotion-Focused Couples Therapy, The Dynamics of Emotion, Love, and Power, this morning this short sentence caught my attention: “Violence in an intimate relationship creates trauma.” Might I suggest that violence in ANY relationship creates trauma; that violence occurs along a continuum; that the greater the violence, the greater the trauma; and that the existence of greater violence along that continuum does NOT thereby make the many forms of verbal violence so popular among so many people, here, okay? I confess that I feel angry when I see people here not just communicating with each other using many subtle and blatant forms of verbal violence, but also DEFENDING those who behave in those OBVIOUSLY socially and individually destructive ways. Especially given the amount of patriarchal, misogynistic violence against women in our society, I find it especially alarming, and I get angry, when women not only write in those ways, but also support others, including men, who write in those ways.

  • mark thoma

    Yes, the personal cost of being a truth-teller is high, and the reward is negligible at this stage.

    There will be some consolation a few years (months?) hence, when the system collapses, of being proven right. And in terms of the big picture those of us who tried have nothing on our consciences, having done the best we could with the resources available to us. Failure is not ours but is the failure of the scumbags at the top of the hierarchical system and the failure of the fools who make up the masses who did not listen.

  • shep…have you ever had a wanna be gangster spray your yard with lead, because he thought it would be funny to watch a white boy jump?

  • ooops…gangsta’

  • The latest post includes a plea for help. Catch it here.

  • Bud Nye – I couldn’t agree with you more! Unfortunately, that’s why I left this space. It is dominated by the type of people you refer to and they drive out anyone who either is opposed to that behavior or at least not neutral toward it or somehow able to weather it. I find it too disgusting to be bothered with. I know they won’t change or see the error of their ways. I’ve witnessed it and tangled with it too many times at large to labor under any such delusion anymore. But, I applaud you for trying!

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  • “shep…have you ever had a wanna be gangster spray your yard with lead, because he thought it would be funny to watch a white boy jump?”

    With apologies for not having followed this conversation, and assuming it means what I think it means…

    I know the NSM in its excess of fairness and objectivity instills in the public the notion that black men are the epitome of danger (which all too many are). And, conversely, that white men are OK. History books, with *their* excess of objectivity fail to mention the genocide of an entire race of native Americans at the hands of white men. I assume that those white men enjoyed seeing those Indians jump as the bullets hit their bodies. Growing up watching the cowboy and Indian movies, I know I did. But maybe it’s age. We grow up somewhat, and at least try to be reasonable and fair despite the prejudice we’ve imbibed with our mother’s milk. And if we obsess over the black youth gangsta types (that are mostly of a suicidal nature) while ignoring the white men genocide, past and present, then we need to get our heads examined.

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    Q: What is the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement?

    VHEMT (pronounced vehement) is a movement not an organization. It’s a movement advanced by people who care about life on planet Earth.

    We don’t carry on about how the human race has shown itself to be a greedy, amoral parasite on the once-healthy face of this planet. That type of negativity offers no solution to the inexorable horrors which human activity is causing.

    Rather, The Movement presents an encouraging alternative to the callous exploitation and wholesale destruction of Earth’s ecology.

    As VHEMT Volunteers know, the hopeful alternative to the extinction of millions of species of plants and animals is the voluntary extinction of one species: Homo sapiens… us.

    Each time another one of us decides to not add another one of us to the burgeoning billions already squatting on this ravaged planet, another ray of hope shines through the gloom.

    When every human chooses to stop breeding, Earth’s biosphere will be allowed to return to its former glory, and all remaining creatures will be free to live, die, evolve (if they believe in evolution), and will perhaps pass away, as so many of Nature’s “experiments” have done throughout the eons.
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  • @pat

    Please don’t forget to mention that not everybody is an evil, greedy doer, there are human victims also who have less to eat than some animals…

    http://tinyurl.com/ohhkvaa

    And please don’t forget that we are also a part of nature, even if many people might forget it from time to time.

  • @ugotstahwonder – You are not alone in being fed up with the negativity and personal attacks on this site. A friend of mine gave the site a look the other day and told me – too much attacking people for her money. How many interested people have been turned off and turned away?

    I came to a simple understanding of why some are so totally dug in on the hopeless, no way out at all position. If there were a way to do something positive and effective, their position would be revealed as a cowardly cop-out rather than the brave realism they pretend to manifest. All their jeering at those still trying to make a difference would not look so good in that case. Their excuse for doing nothing but criticizing others would end up looking pretty sick.

  • @mike-k and ugots, there are plenty of hopesters amongst the doomsters, here at this doom site. It’s clear the recent swing to a vocal hopester majority has driven away doomsters, like Daniel, for instance.

    THIS is a cowardly cop-out: “why some are so totally dug in on the hopeless, no way out at all position. If there were a way to do something positive and effective, their position would be revealed as a cowardly cop-out rather than the brave realism they pretend to manifest.”

    What a gross insult. You act as though people come to believe in a negative outcome only through some perverse personal choice, misguided tendency of temperament, or moral degradation.. rather than a rational assessment of the situation in front of us. You turn a scientific discourse into a purely political, personal, and emotional one. This is wrong.

    “If there were a way to do something effective..”
    There is no way to “do something effective”.
    That’s the point of the blog, which you seem to want to deny and derail at every turn, an odd pastime.

    What is it mike k, that you are doing, exactly, to “make a difference”?? Besides making this space unwelcome to those who share the author’s message?

  • @Lidia – Love. I did not rule out that some here because of questionable interpretations of scientific data, and shaky projections based on those data and trends (from my point of view) may truly believe we are doomed in the very near future. The question in my mind is why are some so emotionally identified with this understanding that they viciously attack anyone who questions their understanding? Where is all the negative emotion coming from? Any dispute regarding their understanding of NTE should be amenable to a polite reasonable discussion without all the nastiness, because that kind of talk is not coming from me. I don’t get bent of shape and nasty due to a difference of opinion. Sometimes with some folks here I get the feeling from what comes at me it is like I had questioned the Rapture at a holiness church meeting.

    Is it too much to ask folks to lighten up a bit. I am not calling anybody names. The difference I have with most here as to time frames and likelihood of NTE is not that great. I feel there is a very good chance we will destroy all human life within a relatively short time frame in the context of the time humans have been around. Do I deserve to be attacked viciously because of my position? Those of you who are so stoked on science should realize that a certain decorum in scientific discussions is customary, and radical deviations from that often lead to suspicions that adversaries are resorting to polemical devices such as ad hominem attacks to bolster their positions, rather than relying on quietly stated rational arguments.

    In short, could we all just call a truce on all the angry cursing and denunciations? Nothing valuable would be lost by doing that, and something worthwhile, namely a level rational discussion would become possible….

  • Reinstate the two post rule.

  • “I am not calling anybody here names”
    Mike, you foully called people here cowards. I didn’t call you anything. I’m really sorry I left off ignoring you, though.

  • @Lidia – Love. OK you got me. My remark about cowardly was wrong. I apologize to anyone offended. My own motives have been so sharply questioned, I gave in to an impulse to hit back. Wrong move. I regret having said that. Once the ad homs start flying its hard to stay totally above it – its contagious. That’s not an excuse, just an observation.

    I still wish we could bury the hatchet as far as the heated accusations go, and hope others may feel the same. I think Guy’s efforts to get the attention of the scientific community to his ideas would perhaps be facilitated if those who are commenting in support of him were more peaceful in their deliberations. I am in favor of what Guy is doing. I thing that in scientific terms his ideas rise to the level of a theory that needs serious consideration by major scientific organizations. Having zealous and emotional followers does not do him a good service.

    The spirit of modern science is to question everything. Those who defend their ideas as unquestionable undermine their own credibility. To have a site open only to true believers may be comfortable, but it is not science. I try to be as civil as I can in expressing my opinions here, but I will not water down my disagreements to please others. My apology for the cowardice remark still goes – that was a mistake on my part.

  • People will fight until that last day. So NTE has its good side, all fighting will stop then, harr harr. There will come a point in everyones life when everything will be accepted willingly or unwillingly- on that day when Death comes, no more fighting then, only Peace. I love graveyards, it is so peaceful there, isn’t it?

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  • “Overdevelopment, Overpopulation, Overshoot.” It addresses environmental deterioration through subjects including materialism, consumption, pollution, fossil fuels and carbon footprints.

    Yeah and its a f… minority who is responsible. Do you see any materialism, consumption, pollution, fossil fuels and carbon footprints on that person?:

    http://borgenproject.org/wp-content/uploads/World_Hunger_Child.jpg

    I don’t. You said that man is a cannibal here:

    Remember, when hillbilly cannibalism rules and you are slow roasting your neighbor’s thigh, we were always what we are now and will be forever.

    Edge of Extinction: Disappear Early On

    But obviously the REALLY starving people on this planet don’t roast their neighbours, DO THEY ?! So I tell you who the real cannibals are:

    Those people in the rich countries, in the sick and insane countries are real cannibals, a global MINORITY are real cannibals, yeah. Let’s see how long that works 😎

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  • Hi there, machine gun pat, long time no see 🙂 Thanks a lot for going on amusing me 🙂

    But you forgot to answer my question! Or are you not able to answer real questions?

    You said that man is a cannibal here:

    “ Remember, when hillbilly cannibalism rules and you are slow roasting your neighbor’s thigh, we were always what we are now and will be forever.”

    Edge of Extinction: Disappear Early On

    But obviously the REALLY starving people on this planet don’t roast their neighbours, DO THEY ?! So I tell you who the real cannibals are:

    Those people in the rich countries, in the sick and insane countries are real cannibals, a global MINORITY are real cannibals, yeah. Let’s see how long that works 😎

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  • Cannibalism has been occasionally practiced as a last resort by people suffering from famine, including in modern times. A famous example is the ill-fated Westward expedition of the Donner Party, and more recently the crash of Uruguayan Air Force Flight 571, after which some survivors ate the bodies of dead passengers. Also, some mentally ill people obsess about eating others and actually do so, such as Jeffrey Dahmer and Albert Fish. There is resistance to formally labeling cannibalism as a mental disorder.

    Yes, they ate already DEAD people and I really understand that, but they did not kill anybody to eat them. But you came up with:

    Remember, when hillbilly cannibalism rules and you are slow roasting your neighbor’s thigh, we were always what we are now and will be forever.

    And by “we” you can only mean the people in the rich countries. As I said: Those people who are starving already obviously to death in other parts of the world are no cannibals, they don’t eat other human beeings. And you are absolutely right:

    The capitalist system, the consumerherd of the rich, the people of the wealthy countries who don’t even know hunger are cannibals. So thank you very much for mentioning this atrocious fact!

    There are VICTIMS and there are ACTORS who are responsible for that mess we are in. Please tell me:

    Why don’t you ever speak that out? 😎

  • Curious – Love. It is telling that Bob would seek us out in this quiet sub-basement of the blog, just to spew his hate. He is unfortunately not alone in this behavior. There are many like him who are seeking people they can hate and vent their violence on. This is the function of the scapegoat. When a person is full of hate they try to relieve this uncomfortable inner sickness by vomiting it on others. For some the convenient targets are Jews, gays, women, religious folks of various kinds, liberals, black, yellow, white people – the possibilities are endless. The only constant in this is the hate. One possessed by this gnawing hate needs someone or something to throw it on.

    Fascist leaders use these hate filled people as tools to gain and maintain power. They stoke this hate in every way they can and direct it towards chosen scapegoats, assuring their followers that everything will be wonderful if only the hated ones can be driven from the tribe or destroyed. To see this behavior manifesting in this group of commenter’s on NBL is disturbing but instructive. Dmitry Orlov has an excellent essay on revolutions and how they channel hate and violence to get people accomplish their goals. Check out
    Clubrorlov.com

    One of the tools useful for avoiding being sucked into retaliating by hating back those who direct their hate at you, is simply to pray for them. Thus, Bob S. I wish that every good thing possible come to you and that you enjoy great happiness in your life. In this way you are protected from the toxic hate aimed at you, and alchemically transform the attack into love and fuel for your own spiritual growth. Dion Fortune in a book about spiritual self-defense is among many recommending this approach. In a book about Rolling Thunder it describes him dealing with a black magic attack by this and other spiritual means. We must not allow anyone to activate the seeds of anger, hate, and violence which our spiritual practice has rendered conditionally inactive in us. The wisdom of India affirms that these seeds usually still exist in our store consciousness, although rendered inactive. However under strong stimulation they could sprout again. A further stage referred to as “burning the seeds” so they are destroyed and can never sprout again is mentioned as a possible fruit of advanced practice. For most of us watching carefully to make sure we do not water the still viable though dormant seeds is a wise course.

    I had a useful session with the guys at the treatment center up the road his morning. Interestingly, one of the guys reported being harassed by an old enemy who woke him up at a late hour texting a lot of garbage similar to Bob S’s fare to see if he could mess up my friends recovery process. Fortunately my friend is well progressed in his recovery and warded off the attack with the same prayer technique I used above. There was a time when my friend was a really dangerous dude like myself, so it is a miracle that he can now handle this kind of situation in a new and healthier way.

    Welcome to anyone who found your way to our quiet cool sub-basement – kinda like an Egyptian Tomb away from all the heat and bustle in the desert above….. We periodically get kicked upstairs a level when Guy posts anew. Have a really great day one and all. Curious, the book Witness to the Fire is available from Amazon. I am reading it again – it is that good…. And do ask the moderator to give you my email address….my days here may be numbered…all my posts are held for moderation now, so there will be some delay in getting my responses…I feel more and more like Joseph K in Kafka’s Castle…

  • At the start of the year, a group of 57 Native Americans students from the Lakota tribe were taken to a minor league hockey match in Rapid City, South Dakota to celebrate their academic achievements. But what started as a field trip to reward the students quickly turned into a nightmare, when a group of drunk men in an executive suite dumped beer on their heads and yelled “go back to the Rez!”
    Seven months later, only one of the perpetrators faces criminal charges. His trial begins today, and if found guilty he will be convicted of disorderly conduct and fined $500 — avoiding hate crime charges, a jury, and jail time.
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  • PC PRIMER

    What is P.C.?

    PC stands for Politically Correct. We of the Politically Correct philosophy believe in increasing a tolerance for a diversity of cultures, race, gender, ideology and alternate lifestyles. Politically Correctness is the only social and morally acceptable outlook. Anyone who disagrees with this philosophy is bigoted, biased, sexist, and/or closed-minded.

    Why should I be PC?

    Being PC is fun. PCism is not just an attitude, it is a way of life! PC offers the satisfaction of knowing that you are undoing the social evils of centuries of oppression.

    I am a white male. Can I still be PC?

    Sure. As a matter of fact, most people at the forefront of the PC grand destiny are white males. But remember, as a white male, you must constantly feel guilty.

    Why?

    If you are a white male, your ancestors were responsible for practically every injustice in the world: slavery, war, genocide and plaid sport coats. That means that you are partially responsible for these atrocities. Now it is time to balance the scales of justice for the descendants of those individuals whose ancestors your ancestors pushed down.

    How?

    It’s simple. You’ve got to be careful what you say, what you think, and what you do. You just don’t want to offend anyone.

    You mean I should guard against offending anyone?

    That’s right. Being offensive is destructive, and will not make the world a harmonious Utopia, like in John Lennon’s Imagine.

    http://www.fiction.net/tidbits/politics/pc.html

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    In 2013, archaeologists revealed they’d found evidence of cannibalism in Colonial Jamestown — an indication of just how desperate early Colonial life had been. Specifically, they discovered markings on the skull of a 14-year-old girl that strongly indicated she’d been eaten by settlers during the particularly difficult winter of 1609.
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  • I have never been very practical. That is an understatement. I gave up on practical when I was a small child. One consistent theme of my life has been my war against practicality. My parents, teachers, and the combined propaganda and massive weight of society failed to make me be practical, and I am still very impractical. They did however manage to instill a guilty conscience in me that often made me feel ashamed of my nonconformist attitude. Nevertheless that guilt was unable to alter my impractical attitudes, ideas, and behaviors – it just made me feel bad about it – sometimes.

    Ironically, when I grew past my teens I began to realize that society’s teachings about practicality were a crock of shit, and that their so-called practicality had created a horrendous nightmare and total failure as a society. These practical people were really good at making war, enslaving others, and creating a robotic, conformist nightmare of loveless ugly madness. These busy little Eichmanns had brought us nuclear weapons and all sorts of stuff out of their narrow little “realistic” minds. And all the while they continued to condemn those who thought differently.

    In this same period of my awakening I fell in love with the great Souls and iconoclasts who were awake to this scam about how great realism was and how worthless dreamers, poets, artists, etc. were. Puccini’s Tosca and La Boheme made more sense to my own awakening Soul. I was awakening before there were “hippies” and I paid the price from an intolerant society. Long hair was considered madness for real then.

    A society which turns its back on and ridicules its poets and dreamers has lost its Soul and will face destruction by so doing. The ignorant idiots that want to blame our problems on the very folks who might have saved us from ourselves exemplify what Greek playwrights called the blindness of Hubris. Those who curse and debase love will hasten their own destruction. The ugly and hateful worship their own ugliness, and despise any who speak of love and beauty and kindness. Those whose eyes are blinded by hate can no longer see those precious things, and only seek to destroy them.

    Those who would have us give up the dream that John Lennon and so many others throughout history have held sacred are only helping the world to descend into violence and destruction. If we lose the vision of a better kinder world,then we are truly lost. I would rather die than live in a dystopian world of materialistic practicalities and meaningless philosophies of hopeless servitude. If the world ends soon due to our madness and soulless debauchery, then so be it. But I will continue to dream my impossible dreams to the end of my stay here, because I can’t stomach the alternatives; and I don’t care to live in a world without dreams….

  • We know that the Syrian civil war that helped drive the rise of the terrorist Islamic State of Iraq and Greater Syria (ISIS) was itself spawned in large part by what one expert called perhaps “the worst long-term drought and most severe set of crop failures since agricultural civilizations began in the Fertile Crescent,” from 2006 to 2010.
    That drought destroyed the livelihood of 800,000 people according to the U.N. and sent vastly more into poverty. The poor and displaced fled to cities, “where poverty, government mismanagement and other factors created unrest that exploded in spring 2011,” as the study’s news release explains.
    The March 2015 study, “Climate change in the Fertile Crescent and implications of the recent Syrian drought,” found that global warming made Syria’s 2006 to 2010 drought two to three times more likely. “While we’re not saying the drought caused the war,” lead author Dr. Colin Kelley explained. “We are saying that it certainly contributed to other factors — agricultural collapse and mass migration among them — that caused the uprising.”