Abrupt Climate Change Part I: A Tipping Point

The film embedded below was created by Marc Haneburght, and it features Paul Beckwith and me. It’s the first of two parts.

The video clip below popped up on my screen this morning. It’s extracted from an interview in January 2014.

Linked here is video from a presentation I delivered in Lonay, Switzerland on 23 April 2015 (embedding is disabled). Big thanks to PANSwiss for hosting and also to Karol Wasilewski for shooting and editing the video.

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  • How is Professor Jerry X. Mitrovica hypothesis, which he says is settled science, going to affect Arctic sea level and therefore methane hydrate deposits?

    He says the Arctic Ocean sea level will drop precipitously (Peak Sea Level – 2).

    How will that affect sea ice extent and volume?

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    The average surface temperature around the world has increased by roughly 1.08 degrees Fahrenheit over the last 40 years, but that number would be a lot larger if it weren’t for the oceans.

    “To date, the oceans have essentially been the planet’s refrigerator and carbon dioxide storage locker,” Hans-Otto Pörtner, who is a researcher at the Alref Wegener Institute, Helmholtz Centra for Polar and Marine Research, told ScienceDaily. “For instance, since the 1970s they’ve absorbed roughly 93% of the additional heat produced by the greenhouse effect, greatly helping to slow the warming of our planet.”
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  • At 20:30 into the vided, Dr. McPherson points out that he and Dr. Beckwith are generalists.

    They tend to be looking at many aspects of climate change all the time.

    Not only methane release into the atmosphere, sea ice, ice sheets, etc. etc., but many aspects of climate change.

    That is why I want to know what they think of Professor Jerry X. Mitrovica and his Harvard team (see link in my earlier comment).

    The Mitrovica group says that sea level in the Arctic, around Greenland, is going down, i.e. it is falling.

    Same with Antarctica.

    Dr. Beckwith points out, near the end of the video, that Hansen et al. did not mention Arctic methane in their recent paper.

    I point how really narrow the focus on the multiple environmental factors that are ongoing is.

    Over specialization can do that.

  • Couple good stories over at Desdemona Despair this morning:

    http://www.desdemonadespair.net/

    3 former executives to be prosecuted in Fukushima nuclear disaster – ‘We had given up hope that there would be a criminal trial’

    [i don’t know if this counts as Oil-Qaida, Dredd, but it’s a good start.]

    and,

    Drought, heat wave kill 80 percent of Mongolia’s crops – ‘The people will feel what it’s like to live in a country with no reserve this fall’

    This will be spreading to most countries of the world – the world of hurt we engineered for ourselves.

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    For the millions of homeless people living on the streets in our ‘civilised’ cities, civilization is over. For them there is little hope of a return to prosperity, with a good job, a warm home and security.

    History shows that a radically destabilized environment results in war, famine, disease and death. Any one of those four can and will exacerbate the other three.

    Our civilization is becoming increasingly unstable, and right now the four horsemen are getting restless.

    In one hundred years’ time, would you prefer to be living in the United States, China, Saudi Arabia…..or Greece?

    Please don’t have children, they won’t have anywhere safe to live.
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  • A few of Martin Prechtel’s current talks are recorded as podcasts and available online. There are others, not at this link, that are also available online.

    “Martin” is of Canadian First Nations maternal and a Swiss-Irish paternal lineage, born & raised in New Mexico, but more remarkably became a chief of a Mayan tribe and also a senior shaman before being forced by civil war to leave Guatemala.

  • … just four Gt Arctic methane …

  • Following Robin’s lead, here is a thoughtful take on death from Stephen Jenkinson

  • Even though I like to see multiple graphs that are available for tracking Arctic ice volume, I like the haveland.com graph a lot. The numbers are in for July and haveland has been updated. For each of the first six months of 2015 the Arctic ice volume was greater than the same period in 2014, but not July. The downward trajectory is a stark contrast to previous months this year.

    http://haveland.com/share/arctic-death-spiral.png

    I will add that we have been baking (for us) in day after day and week after week of 80F and near-80F temperatures in the Anchorage-Mat Su valley area through much of July and August so far.

  • I just sent the following message to our Tent City Tacoma group. Many here will surely have an interest in it:

    I have started reading Andrew Heben’s book, Tent City Urbanism, From Self-Organized Camps to Tiny House Villages (2014). This is a wonderful manual that documents the roots of this movement all around the country, with an emphasis on the Pacific Northwest. It serves as a very practical guide to help with the work we are involved with. (Reading it reminds me of being in a meeting with Seattle’s SHARE/WHEEL Marvin, Sam, and Robert.) Everyone with an interest in this basic shelter issues—which will surely soon grow to massive, overwhelming, proportions(!)—will definitely want to read this, to me, “required” reading.


    Bud

    “The past was a Golden Age, of ignorance, while the present is an Iron Age of willful blindness.” —Jared Diamond, The Third Chimpanzee

  • Some “Here & Now” stuff

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    I don’t know a soul who’s not been battered
    I don’t have a friend who feels at ease
    I don’t know a dream that’s not been shattered
    or driven to its knees
    But it’s all right, it’s all right
    We’ve lived so well so long
    Still, when I think of the road
    we’re traveling on
    I wonder what went wrong
    I can’t help it, I wonder what went wrong.


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  • good stuff, thanks dan

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    Number of deaths for leading causes of death:
    •Heart disease: 611,105
    •Cancer: 584,881
    •Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 149,205
    •Accidents (unintentional injuries): 130,557
    •Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 128,978
    •Alzheimer’s disease: 84,767
    •Diabetes: 75,578
    •Influenza and Pneumonia: 56,979
    •Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 47,112
    •Intentional self-harm (suicide): 41,149

    Source: Deaths: Final Data for 2013, tables 1, 7, 10, 20[PDF – 1.5 MB]

  • Guy,

    I’m curious on whether you’ve gotten much feedback from people as to how their relationships have changed based on their acceptance of NTE.

    The reason I ask, is because I suspect if you were to take a poll of everyone who has lived with NTE for a given amount of time, the overwhelming response would be that most of our loving relationships have greatly suffered because of it, including our relationship with the natural world.

    I believe it takes a couple of years for those who have fully accepted NTE, to also accept that the life/purpose we had before has dematerialized. The person we once were is now gone. The way or the reasons for how we once interacted with others has become strained and difficult at best, and therefore, many of the relationships we once had are now gone as well.

    In other words, once one has accepted NTE, it takes some time to realize such acceptance more or less consumes everything, leaving but a shell of a life filled with dead dreams, empty promises, dreaded responsibilities, pointless obligations and impossible social interactions in its wake, where isolation becomes a preferred choice, compared to having to constantly lie and be disingenuous to those we quickly discover have no interest in hearing anything about what’s coming.

    Guy, I often wonder whether it’s crossed your mind, that you are probably the only living human being—aside from maybe Carolyn–who has the opportunity to regularly meet, socialize and commiserate NTE with others, at least compared to the rest of us, who amongst an utterly indifferent culture, have likely alienated most of our family and peers, and have little love in our lives in which we can still be honest, hence the pathetic emotional surrogate of blogging online.

    So, when you claim at the “edge of extinction only loves remains” I can’t help but think you might be projecting something in which only you have the ability to experience in any real social context.

    I suspect you’re the only one here making new friends because of NTE, and how could that not be influencing your current perspective as how to live with death in mind.

  • I have finally figured out why some people on this here blog hate CounterPunch.

    The fact is the magazine confronts all the ‘identity’ political problems with frontal nudity, INCLUDING Racism/White Supremacy.

    For those people, stick this article in your pipes! WHITE SUPREMACY IS A MENTAL DISORDER and should be included in the D.S.M.S. or whatever it is called.

    I personally think the State of Indiana (Land of the Indian) should have to change its name
    to Whiteyana as a part of reparations.

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/08/04/is-white-supremacy-a-mental-disorder/

  • Daniel, I suspect you’re correct: I’m among the only people on the planet making friends as a result of people accepting NTE. Furthermore, these people are open to talking about it, rather than censoring themselves.

    These folks are radicals (they get to the root, typically on many issues). They accept evidence. They embrace living. They’re my tribe.

    What’s not to love?

  • Even in the early 00’s I thought climate change would occur faster than what was predicted at the time, basically what we are seeing now. However, I didn’t expect extinction by 2030. I figured it would take 200-300 years. But at that time I didn’t know about the possibility of a massive methane ‘burp’. I also didn’t know all the various self-reinforcing feedback loops that can cascade into runaway climate change.

    But like I’ve always said, extinction might as well happen on our watch as we’re responsible for this mess.

    I’m grateful to Guy and others for continuing to tell the truth, despite all of the negativity directed their way. Some (most?) folks apparently prefer fairy tales.

  • Do what you love. What do I love?
    I am not young and it is impossible for me to do what I love. I want to live in nature but I do not know of any place where there is healthy nature anymore and I absolutely do not have the means to move away from the city. I am virtually prisoner of my present situation with no means to escape. Like Daniel says, I lost all my entourage in the last years and I live in almost complete solitude/isolation because every body that I frequented did not want to hear about NTE or even pollution.

    Also, for a lot of young people, “whatever they love to do” is often using an extreme quantity of energy, including electricity and money, that they/we do not even have anymore. And, being around young people including my 30 and 31 yo sons, I find it a little deceptive to make them believe that they can “do what they love”. It has always been a great privilege to do what one loves and today, it is more than often totally impossible in their perilous situation.

    Also, there are good chances that “what they love to do” is killing animals (or anything else) with firearms, driving SUVs around the country, flying drones everywhere, etc. I do not understand if maybe “doing what they love to do” includes everything, without judgement, because it is the end of the world and it does not matter anymore

    It is an illusion to think that most of humans (and trees) are free to move. My situation (like that of millions upon millions) is that I am blocked here, in the middle of the dying city, trees, river, sky, everything. There is nowhere to go and nothing to do for us billions but wait and pray (whatever that means for you).

    Life is extremely different for those of us who do not have a lot to “do” or, for a million reasons, cannot “do” a lot. Or for those of us who do not have the economic or otherwise means to “do” almost anything. All kinds of distractions (music, travelling, vacationing, giving conferences, gardening, writing and surfing on the internet, etc.) are what make this period bearable for some, because as soon as you “do” something, life usually gets easier to live. So, it is easy for “busy” buddies to tell others to do this or that, but it is not easy to reproduce the activities of the privileged ones who are free to “do”, “be busy”, still move around and have periods where they can think about something else that methane and destruction for a few hours.
    When I was treated in psychiatry a few years back and told the doctor the source of my anxiety was the state of the planet, his answer was: Think about something else.
    Do not think about the fact that the temps are over the top in the middle east, that India and so many other places are in deep drought or flooded, that the whole planet, including the beautiful oceans, is a huge garbage can full of chemicals and nuclear radiations, that methane is putting veil after veil in the sky like adding one thin blanket on top of another until you cannot breathe anymore, that…, that…, that…
    I have an extremely low level of human interaction since quite a few years because I have nothing that interests anyone around me to say anymore, really. And I do not have the means to reach new people or a larger audience. There is a chance (to put it mildly) that a lot of sheeple like me will instantly go ballistic when the Internet goes down. This is almost our only connection to life, as sad as it sounds.

  • @ Daniel and @ milendia

    Wow, I sure can relate to the circumstances that you describe occurring in your lives, and my heart goes out to you both. You want to talk about being bitter, I was one of those foolish people who, upon ‘waking up’ and seeing the reality of things decades ago, decided twenty five years ago that I would rather try to be part of the solution, rather than continue to be part of the problem. So, I left the corporate world behind, decoupled from consumerism as best as I could, and set out upon trying to live a much simpler life.

    What I got for my self sacrifice was absolutely nothing. People just shunned me as I grew poorer. People don’t want to hear my views about why I’ve made the lifestyle choices that I’ve made. In fact, they typically categorize me as being ‘unstable’ because of my unpopular views about our system and about our culture. That’s left me mostly alone and isolated now. People in our culture tend to equate insight with a perceived level of financial success. If you don’t have the money to show, then they don’t believe your ideas are valid. If you were smart, then you’d be rich, right? (???)

    I am saddened that my efforts to decouple from chasing wealth have just left me impoverished and stuck now grounded in an ugly urban center, while those who stayed on doing whatever unethical thing they participated in netted themselves the money to now buy plots of land in nature, and afforded them the opportunity to build a little place where they can escape to out in nature, even if just for peace of mind and escape from the insanity of a city as they wait for the big methane belch. Myself, I can barely afford to even get out of the city to go on a simple hike a few times a year anymore.

    Hell, do what you love? I’m a talented musician who up until a few years ago used to sing lead and play keyboards for an awesome little Pink Floyd club act. Guess what, things have become so expensive just to pay rent and buy food lately that I can’t even ‘afford’ to get out to clubs enough to remain a viable part of the local music community anymore. Artists are no different than any other American dreamer; either you are in the game and can pay to play, or people abandon you and just look for someone else who’s able and willing to burn gas and buy expensive gear, and has money to burn hanging out in clubs and being ‘on the scene.’ That describes someone who’s actively participating in the system, and not someone who foolishly chose to try and decouple from it years ago. Back then I honestly thought there would be some good karma for walking out of the machine. Nope, there wasn’t, sorry.

    I just wanted to point out the sad truth that trying to do the right thing so many years ago didn’t bring me any good karma from any god or taoistic flow. All it did was left me back in the dust watching everyone else (who obliviously stayed in the gobble-gobble game) acquire the means to now be ambulatory, to move out of the ugly city and out into the country, and to be the ones who can now ‘do what they love’ with their remaining time. Their access to cash let’s them follow these opportunities. They have this luxury now because they weren’t foolish enough to actually try and make a difference by decoupling from the evil empire so many years ago. What a dummy I was, I just shot myself in the foot was all.

    Honestly, if you want to decouple yourself from the system, only do it after you make a lot of money from it first. Otherwise, you’re fucked. And like Guy mentioned in his post yesterday, people don’t care about people who are fucked. They don’t assume it was due to some noble choice you made far back in your past. Nope, they just assume you’re fucked, and they just walk on past with their nose in the air. They don’t even want to hear about, not from a ‘loser.’

    Anyway, I just thought I’d share my experience. Don’t feel bad for me though; we’re all going to die somehow. Whether it’s this way or that way, or in one condition or another, death is just death, and life was just life. Whadda ya want for nothin’, hey?

    Thanks to everyone here for seeing it like it really is. I saw this all coming decades ago when the winters started disappearing here, and when I saw the way humans were acting toward each other and toward the natural world. I knew back then it wasn’t going to end anywhere good.

    I do dig the technical updates from you all, and I thank you all for providing them, and thanks for what you do too Guy, even if I can’t send you any money. 🙂

    Peace out peeps!

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    “One of the penalties of an ecological education is that one lives alone in a world of wounds.”
    Aldo Leopold, A Sand County Almanac, 1949

  • TO:
    @Daniel, @Melinda, @White Ass
    and especially @Guy

    similar predicament

    “What’s not to love?”

  • I am still bewildered by Jim Hansen’s failure to confront/address the already releasing Arctic Methane.
    No use of the simple words even?

  • TO:
    @Daniel, @ Melinda, @ White Ass, and Guy,
    your stories are all painful to read and I’m new at learning about NTE and my life is just starting to fall apart the way you all have described it (similar predicament), I’m losing everything I once knew…………….thank you for sharing your stories, what else can I say, but I’m sorry!

  • Is it really likely that there is no reward in ‘knowing’ about NTHE? I don’t believe that, even just here in the now, but I also have faith in the sort of consciousness that seeks knowledge and the truth over that which does not, for the long haul and even the short. Bearing witness, actively, to the end of our species, and so many others, and this beautiful earth we have known is important, however painful. All of this should not pass unnoticed. Virtue is its own reward!

  • “In other words, once one has accepted NTE, it takes some time to realize such acceptance more or less consumes everything…”

    That “everything” is short of everything: there still remain attachments (attractions and aversions) that bind. In contrast to preferences, which are non-binding. When one no longer harbours the slightest attachment, to so much as even a speck of dust, one has realisation of oneself, which is the void beyond descriptors and the plenitide manifesting all.

    “as how to live with death in mind.”

    The realisation of oneself is the Great Death, and it is not necessarily concomitant with the death of the body-mind complex (the meat robot), the little death. Once past it, one deos not have to keep death in mind any more one has to keep in mind a particle of dust.

  • Never forget.

    “To love. To be loved. To never forget your own insignificance. To never get used to the unspeakable violence and the vulgar disparity of life around you. To seek joy in the saddest places. To pursue beauty to its lair. To never simplify what is complicated or complicate what is simple. To respect strength, never power. Above all, to watch. To try and understand. To never look away. And never, never to forget.”

    ~ Arundhati Roy

  • Your absolutely right ugotstahwonder, thanks for the reminder.

    I did get to live a part of my youth on a beautiful ranch, living in nature. I walked in the snow covered forest by moonlight, and I watched momma hawk teach her babies to hunt each year. I threw oats to the grackle that flew down from the hilltop when I walked down to feed the horses, and even had an albino moose lick our salt blocks each winter, you could watch her and her calf down in the field from our house. The eagles came and stayed one summer when we turned our hay field. The place was even over a magnetic vortex, and they used to fly training pilots in small planes right over our house to see what it was like when their instruments went all wonky. It was a magical little place. I used to practice Don Juan’s gait of power in that field in the black of night too, naked even.

    So, I have had my time loving in nature, while others haven’t. I just thought I’d always get back to that somehow. That was such a long time ago now, and I never expected I would end up stuck here on this concrete street in this ugly city, with all these oil company employees for neighbors, with their four bullet points from the company memo about the coming ice age and no warming for eighteen years, and whatever those other two stupid points they all recite are. Oh ya, sunspots and natural cycles. (I’ve given up pointing out that their points contain a contradiction; it’s either happening or it isn’t, and they seem to be claiming both at once, but whatever.)

    I guess I’d make a pretty shitty Buddhist, I’m just not enjoying the suffering enough. But it has been an experience, I’ll say that much.

    Thanks for pointing to the light ugotstahwonder. You made me smile.

  • His Holiness.

    “The planet does not need more successful people. The planet desperately needs more peacemakers, healers, restorers, storytellers and lovers of all kinds.”

    -HH the DL

  • NBL at it’s best today! Thanks for getting this conversation started Daniel.

    You (milendia, mt, little w.a.) have insightfully, poignantly described my life! I’ve not been able to pull it out and put it down in words as you have done——-thank you.
    Milendia, I always deeply appreciate your posts and empathize with your feelings more than you could know.

    These are the discussions that I cherish and why I keep coming back to NBL (pathetic or not!). How refreshing to have an honest examination of the impact that being conscious of NTE has on one’s life. Without fighting over who’s right/wrong but simply looking at the reality of this seemingly bottomless loss and how to deal with it. I’m not handling it well as collapse escalates.
    Thought about anti depressants as it’s all getting way too sad and as Daniel said:

    “once one has accepted NTE, it takes some time to realize such acceptance more or less consumes everything, leaving but a shell of a life filled with dead dreams, empty promises, dreaded responsibilities, pointless obligations and impossible social interactions in its wake, where isolation becomes a preferred choice, compared to having to constantly lie and be disingenuous to those we quickly discover have no interest in hearing anything about what’s coming”
    EXACTLY!!! Wow. Powerful truths there.

    What the hell to do? Anti depressants? Pot? Both? Yoga, meditation isn’t cutting it (shocking I know)!

    And being amongst the dying of the nonhuman world is beyond any pain I’ve ever experienced.
    Like when I lost my soul mate border collie only this is not a grief that dissipates with time. Frankly it just sucks.

  • Thanks Jeff S. “Traditional societies have used these plants as a tuning fork, helping them tune up their awareness of the totality around them which consists of far more than the 3D physical space we do exist in and have to survive in.”

    Little said: “I just wanted to point out the sad truth that trying to do the right thing so many years ago didn’t bring me any good karma from any god or taoistic flow.” The universe is full of invisible forces. Heck we can’t even see infrared light right here. No telling what your evolution might reveal because it’s not over for you yet. But it sure was rough for me also when I quit the big bucks in Hollywood to be volunteer park ranger. Had to return to the D.C. before I sail away again. Ebb and flow of life till this commercial system is truly gone.

    DANIEL – I am a 30 year survivor of the AIDS epidemic. L.A. 1984. It was a horror of death then a burst of new life. Alternate healing in Mexico. A sail boat around the Pacific. Not a penny for years but a whole world of adventure. Then you crash on a beach in Costa Rica and decide to slowly pick-up all the litter…it leads to trying to clean up everything under the sun. It is tough. It is fun.

    MILENDIA – more than anyone my heart goes out to you. I want to be your friend. Do not feel alone. I’ve read you here plenty of times before. But now is the time like never before. Lets figure out how to get you a vacation to somewhere better. You deserve better. Even if it is only a break.

  • @ ugostahwonder:
    I heartily concur with little white ass, thanks for pointing to the light! Smiles all around.
    @ little white ass:
    I’d make a shitty buddhist too! That made me laugh!

  • Maybe i’m unique, but i’ve found myself getting closer over the last few years, since realizing NTE to a bunch of people i already knew who also came upon such awareness, and have even become friends with relative strangers i knew only superficially before the topic came up in our conversations, particularly people from the Dead community. Yeah, i guess for us death is something that’s been close at hand since the very beginning, with an unusual perspective on the subject., unusual for mainstream American society that is, not for many traditional cultures. This is the period called The Days Between, between what would have been Garcia’s birthday August 1) and the anniversary of his death (20 years ago, this coming Sunday, the 9th). Death don’t have no mercy in this land.

  • Jeff S~

    I still miss Jerry~

  • I tried to embed a youtube video of Jerry singing that beautiful song, but it doesn’t appear…
    I’ll try this:

  • Little White Ass, Daniel, Caroline and Milendia (and for anyone who might lament having chosen your austere lives because it has yielded nothing but grief), perhaps it’s good to remember the story that Ram Dass told in “Be Here Now”:

    “THERE’S A SIKH STORY ABOUT A HOLY MAN WHO GAVE TWO MEN EACH
    A CHICKEN AND SAID: “GO KILL THEM WHERE NO ONE CAN SEE.”

    ONE GUY WENT BEHIND THE FENCE AND KILLED THE CHICKEN.

    THE OTHER GUY WALKED AROUND FOR TWO DAYS AND CAME BACK WITH
    THE CHICKEN.

    THE HOLY MAN SAID: YOU DIDN’T KILL THE CHICKEN?”

    THE GUY SAID: “WELL, EVERYWHERE I GO, THE CHICKEN SEES.”

    You have a conscience and you followed it. You had no choice.

    And, as ugotstahwonder pointed out: virtue is its own reward.

    Jeff S. mentioning “The Days Between” made me think of this song, which has nothing to do with what he was talking about, but reminds me of adolescence nonetheless, so I’m posting it God damn it…

    http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/cure/inbetweendays.html

  • I actually meant to post the video for the song, not that anyone here is into The Cure, but still… it reminds me of my childhood 🙂

  • shitty Buddhists sometimes evolve into atheists…it takes less discipline. robin? can you help us here?

  • robin…nevermind.

  • baba? how can something remind you of your childhood if you’re still a child?

  • Gnome-
    Because it reminds me of RIGHT NOW. Did I just blow your mind?

  • I was raised to be a racist, homophobic, sexist, white trash mu’fucker in a time of peace, love, tune in, drop out. I became homeless for a few years due to my own recklessness. I saw the extreme hell of social housing, the corruption, lies etc. I ran a weekly homeless newspaper in Toronto for 20 years called the Outreach Connection. I met my wife, a street nurse, 20 years ago, and lived a full and complete life. She taught me not to be racist, homophobic and sexist, but she can’t teach me not to hate humanity. I live in the woods now because I do not like people. No, I fucking hate people. Does humanity deserve to survive? No fucking way! Worrying about why we don’t deserve to die is moot. But hey, I’m a bit of a suck that way.

  • Do what you need to do, LWA. Let your true values guide you. There’s a will, there’s a way! This body was always of limited duration.

  • I’m OK with knowing about NTE. Sure, for most people that acquire the knowledge it’s depressing and life changing. It wrecks one’s pollyanna attitude and leaves your dreams and plans in the dirt. But being a human, isn’t that the way we SHOULD feel, considering what we’ve done to the environment and to each other? Hopefully, we will all feel that way very soon.

    I’m also OK with people not wanting to talk to me about global warming. The fewer people that talk about it, now, the greater the chance is that NTE will occur and occur sooner. Humans are unworthy of existence, anyway, when you realize the magnitude of unnecessary suffering we have inflicted. The entire Multiverse will be a better place when we are all gone, right down to the shortest string.

    People with the awesome understanding of NTE are isolated from greater society, but we’re in good company. The poor and the hungry and the victims of our needless wars are mostly silenced by the culture. I’m simply happy to find myself separated from the dominate culture by my knowledge and understanding. I think it’s a positive and healthy sign of a relatively well adjusted life.

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    CARACAS – In just one week, at least four major episodes of looting have taken place in different parts of Venezuela, raising fears of a massive revolt in the country due to the acute food shortages, inflation and widespread discontent.

    The worst episode occurred Friday in San Félix, a popular city in the southeastern state of Bolívar, where hundreds of people armed with stones attacked government buses and food markets on a main avenue.

    Gustavo Patinez, a 21-year-old employee at one of the businesses, died after being shot in the chest, allegedly by the police. At least three stores were completely looted before the National Guard took control of the situation.
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  • Tom Says:
    August 5th, 2015 at 9:22 am

    Couple good stories over at Desdemona Despair this morning:

    http://www.desdemonadespair.net/

    3 former executives to be prosecuted in Fukushima nuclear disaster – ‘We had given up hope that there would be a criminal trial’

    [i don’t know if this counts as Oil-Qaida, Dredd, but it’s a good start.]

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    Indeed.

    Gotta start somewhere (Is ‘Insanity’ A Valid Defense To Ecocide?).

  • What a blast of great comments! Thanks RC. But if one is hurried and must just choose one to carry, I’ll go with this:

    “…BUT THE CHICKEN SEES” Brought tears to my eyes…

  • As observable climate disruption horrors unfold, I am committed to taking Arundati Roy’s sage advice, especially mandatory for a hard nosed empiricist; “Above all, to watch. To try and understand. To never look away. And never, never to forget.”

    Four reputable establishment scientists; Ruppel, Schmidt, Archer, & Dlugokencky, have routinely attacked & denigrated Semiletov & Shakhova’s empirical Arctic field work.

    As the adversarial debate about abrupt Arctic methane release & human extinction plays out, I am watching/observing with complete focus & unbridled passion.

    I think that honest scientists, S & S, have called/predicted the future correctly.

    Semiletov’s ominous “anytime” for a large/significant Arctic methane release will be ultimately empirically confirmed.

    I cannot “see” how abrupt Arctic methane release from both the Arctic sea beds & the Arctic permafrost will NOT cause human extinction in the very near term.

    World wide social chaos is guaranteed.

    Paul Russell’s aphoristic hospice advice applies; “When nothing matters, everything matters that much more.”

    The only “real” choice is to make the most of our very limited time left.

    “That’s all there is – there isn’t any more.”

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    I live on Oahu and cannot stand that all these homeless people choose to squat wherever they want and take dumps on the sidewalk. Just a few days ago walking from the Parking Lot downtown to the building where I work I crossed over 3 human turds right in the heart of the business district. And yes tourists spend thousands to vacation and I myself like to lunch on the patio of a Waikiki restaurant but it never fails, there is always someone crazy and homeless that will do something to make you not want to eat for days even just coming up to your table to ask for money and they smell like a rotting corpse.

    I am always baffled how the city is doing all this expansion and building multi-million dollar condo homes in kakaako and so much of the problem lies there. Who wants to live like that. Get these people in affordable housing or on some kind of a plan; build shelters; figure it out. I’ve only ever seen 1 shelter in the city and we have the second highest rate of homelessness in the nation with 1 little shelter. And don’t get me started on what it’s like to visit a beach these days. It’s becoming so gross here and I’ve considered leaving the state because it’s like living in a third world country but paying an arm and a leg to do so
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  • Here is an on point synopsis with a powerful visual of our dying culture of deception & deceit.

    The classic photo of sinister political peeyar & monstrous malicious manipulation of one’s toiling fellows won’t post; but if you go to the site, you will love it.

    True gallows humor.

    Exhausted forest firefighters refuse to sing “O Canada” for Harper

    KELOWNA — Prime Minister Stephen Harper is getting slammed on social media for having a group of front-line firefighters pulled out of the smokey hills near this bustling B.C. city so they could pose with him for a patriotic, pre-election picture.

    Things didn’t go quite as planned for Harper’s advance team of organizers.

    The selected firefighters were so tired and annoyed that they just silently watched Harper as he waved his arms around like a conductor and tried to get them to sing along with him in a rousing chorus of O Canada.

    None of the group sang or even hummed along.

    thelapine.ca exhausted-forest

  • Pat,

    The mess in Venezuela is ALL, CIA inspired. You do not finger the USA and not get taken down, except for Cuba, curiously.

  • like Arundati Roy wrote (at least I think it was her), I paraphrase:
    “Once you see it , can’t un-see it”

  • What a great discussion on here today, thanks to Daniel for kicking it off with insightful comments as always. It is lonely living with NTE, my wife and I have no children and never plan too, she has more personal reasons but together our main reason is knowing the extremely bleak future in store, even though I still have not had the NTE conversation with her, but there are no illusions the future holds unlimited promise like I see imagined by most of my peers and family. Outside of that I almost never have conversations with others about a dire future, NTE, abrupt climate change etc.. for the very reasons so outlined by the many comments above, the only “place” I have those discussions is here or similar forums and blogs. It’s no fun to “constantly lie and be disingenuous” as Daniel put it and easy to isolate but I find I often simply fall into the cognitive dissonance so common in this culture and simply live with the knowledge of the impending collapse of everything while at the same time living as though time were unlimited. That’s not to say that the CD does not take a toll, and I find myself with the same anger, fear and frustration others speak of here, no one emerges unscathed by the dominant culture and the consequences of living as though the world belongs to civilized humans.

    I do not know why but even knowing about abrupt climate change, coming collapse of IC, non-linear impacts and all that that entails and I still find myself taken aback by the various news and papers recently outlining so many of the “future consequences” playing out in real time today. Another 200mph super storm , “weaker” than that now but poised to strengthen significantly as it makes a direct hit on an island with ~23 million people on it, the heat waves in Iran/Iraq and the coming super El Nino this winter, not to mention the Pacific blobs and toxic alge blooms that are (shockingly……) “worse than first feared/predicted” and into “unprecedented territory”

    http://bc.ctvnews.ca/toxic-algae-blooms-in-pacific-ocean-worse-than-first-feared-1.2503354

    Excited that Daniel Quinn will be the guest on next weeks NBL. I am not sure I would even be here at NBL had it not been for reading Ishmael so many years ago, that novel shaped my thinking from that time forward, it will be interesting to see his perspective based on Mike and Guy’s questions relating to NTE.

  • @Dredd

    “The Mitrovica group says that sea level in the Arctic, around Greenland, is going down, i.e. it is falling.”

    Better check your quote. This makes no sense.

    Try gravity anomalies for sea level highs and lows.

  • Thank you so much for all the reactions to my message. I do not write a lot (and never in english) and always think afterwards that I did not really explain myself clearly enough. That I should have said this instead of that, or explain some things more in depth. As if there were right or exact words to describe what is going on!!! As if one post on one web site every couple of weeks, which is all the space I use, would suffice to state my position. Still, you answers opened a crack in the space-time continuum and consoled me a little bit in my insignificant human journey.
    I want to clarify that I am NOT complaining on a personal level, whining about “me”, really. I do not want more for myself, or my children for that matter. I am just looking for a way to clean my act and leave this planet with the lightest p o s s i b l e luggage.
    Thank you again, all of you, for still being there.
    Even when I go to bed thinking that I am finally, after decades, maybe, starting to come to terms with accepting NTE, I wake up in the morning, glance at the dying maple in my bedroom window and think, WTF? How can this be possible? This journey that never started will never end. Neither will my quest. I would put my email adress for NBL commenters who want to reach me, but I am afraid…

  • Phil Morrison Says:
    August 6th, 2015 at 10:17 am

    @Dredd

    “The Mitrovica group says that sea level in the Arctic, around Greenland, is going down, i.e. it is falling.”

    Better check your quote. This makes no sense.

    Try gravity anomalies for sea level highs and lows.
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    These are absolutely not anomalies, these are fifth grade law of gravity basics.

    BTW, that is only the half of it.

    The same fall of sea level is true of Antarctica.

    This is a scientific matter that takes close attention when pondering it (“Take time to think”).

    Sea level change is the new phrase to replace “sea level rise.”

    Many of us are going to have to snap out of that trance (Choose Your Trances Carefully).

    I had to.

    I strongly suggest that you listen to, and watch the video of Professor Mitrovica which is at the bottom of the post.

    That will help you get it.

  • Nature feels sane, unlike the artificial life created by humans, which feels disturbing, dangerous, confusing, frightening. My heart goes out to those of you who long for nature and have limited access to natural environments. I completely understand. I wish I could invite you all north and shelter you here. It would be humble, but we would make it. But I’m afraid we’re all crazy and in reality it wouldn’t be a good idea. My heart wishes it could be, but I can barely stand most of you just at two paragraphs a day and thousands of miles away, and I’ve become kind enough I hope at this stage of my life not to inflict myself on you, as well.

    The love of and need for nature is so deep in me that I literally cannot live away from it. The years I spent in windowless offices were a nightmare, and years spent in windowless offices in cities like Houston and Los Angeles, a total thirteen years of my life that felt much, much longer, full of people and their chaos, were hell. I had nothing when I escaped the lower 48 over twenty-five years ago. I was 37 and had a child, a car, a few personal items, and an awesome cat that I still miss to this day. She camped out with me for two weeks on the drive north from L.A.

    I have loved Alaska every day that I have been here. I have acres and acres of undeveloped property around me still, even with the increase in development in my area, and I pay attention to it all. The dogs help with that a lot, because they always pay attention, too.

    I didn’t wait until I had enough money to follow my heart, because I never had enough. I believe in power outside of money, too, and it’s amazing what can happen when a person lives one day at a time, doing what can be done today, and being satisfied with our daily bread.

    I have been a social pariah since I started talking about how humans are killing the planet. In fact, I had a conflict with my closest friend of more than thirty-seven years over it and it has been devastating to that much cherished relationship. Yes, you have to be willing to have people question your sanity, but I’m used to it. People have always questioned my sanity on a number of fronts, including spirituality, my knowledge of Native Americans and my perspectives of my native heritage, my views of the earth and the insanity of destroying it, my views of society, and a range of other ways that I see.

    At this point I have to admit that I’m grateful for all the previous training. Now I deal also with the scorn and dismissal that having no money inspires in even the lowliest receptionists at ordinary places of business all over this psychotic and psychopathic country. I’m tougher than I used to be, I guess. But maybe that’s because I like the trees in the woods and the animals better than I do those people, anyway. You’re only vulnerable if you want something from them to begin with.

    Running screaming from that world and buying a couple of acres at the edge of the wilderness where I could get out from under a mortgage and the economic slavery of this culture was the best thing I’ve ever done for me in my entire life. My love of and need for nature demanded it, was the impetus for it.

    I like to think I have done what I love, and I believed in love more than I believed in money, even then.

  • “One is pleased to see the bugs die in a fire, even though one’s own house is burned down”

    – Kim Il Sung, freedom fighter, North Korea

  • Just got home from work cutting grass. Another day trying to not kill bees and frogs on the zero turn lawn mower. Folks want their over-fed mutant grass kept long and the flowering clover heads lopped off. Clover heads attract bees and lord fucking know, you don’t need any god damned bees hanging around.

    Another thing grass Nazis hate are racoons because they will tear up their precious fucking lawn looking for grubs. So, today someone locked a racoon in a raw waste container to die in the dark heat of the day covered in food waste. It was only its weak bleats that alerted me to save him. I am a hardcore pacifist, but I wish the fucker who did that dies the same fucking way. I don’t mind too much when we cluster bomb kids, or burn women and children alive with hellfire missiles, but to torture a defenseless animal enrages me like nothing else. I cried all the way home from work night, and I’ll finish the night crying into my beer.

  • I always want to see the end of the movie. And my life is like a movie. But more importantly, my life, strangely enough, is coinciding with the end of humanity. I want more than anything to see this amazing event. How many species over the vast millennia have had the privilege of witnessing their own extinction? (I realize this is an impossibility. You can never know if some member of your species is still extent just over the hill. I just want to be riding in the front of the bus when it goes over the cliff. I won’t know the outcome, but I’ll feel as if I did.) I am terribly afraid that I will miss something. I guess that makes me a lot like a child who can’t go to sleep because he is afraid he will miss something.

    It is terribly exciting. Soon, the discomfort will come: thirst, hunger, extreme temperatures, war, and all that. Better than any 3D movie! I am so lucky!

  • Richard Davies, Holden Caulfield opined; “The movies will kill ya – they really will.”

  • Yes, and movies are especially deadly in the land of 300+ million guns and nearly as many psychologically unstable citizens.

    Regarding extinction, from a very young age I felt it’d happen during my natural lifespan (i.e., 80 years). I didn’t know exactly how it’d go down but had an unshakable sense that it would. Now it looks like it’ll be runaway climate change, that is unless something else manages to take us out first — massive asteroid collision, nuclear war, pandemic, alien invasion, etc.

    The idea of humans no longer existing doesn’t bother me in the least. However, I do dread all of the suffering that will entail. I also hate that so many other species have already gone extinct, or soon will, due to our actions. The only thing I’m sure about is that when that fateful moment comes, we’ll have no right to feel sorry for ourselves.

  • Masses have gravity, an attractive force for other masses. The moon’s pull on the earth induces a distortion towards a shape like an egg with the pointy end pointing at the moon, which follows the moon in whichever direction it happens to be.

    These distortions are known as tides. In the case of the solid part of the earth the distortion is in the order of a few inches, but the distortions of the oceans is much greater because they can flow more easily, and the resultant tides are several feet.

    Similar distortions occur due to the sun’s pull, but in spite of the greater mass of the sun, its greater distance distance results in a weaker pull. The intensity of the pull declines by the square of the distance: twice as far, a quarter of the pull; three times as far – one ninth; four times – one sixteenth; five times – one tmenty-fifth. When both are pulling in the same direction, the tides are largest, “spring” tides, and when pulling in opposite directions, the tides are smallest, “neap” tides.

    Now instead of the moon 250,000 miles up and moving, if there was a large mass sitting at the surface of the earth, it too would exert a gravitational attaction on the rest of the earth, trying to distort it into the shape of an egg with the point towards that mass. The distortion would be largest in the part that flows more easily, viz. the ocean, a stationary tide drawing the water up towards the mass. If the mass is the miles-thick ice sheets in Greenland and the Antarctic, the nearby sea would in effect have a level that much higher near the ice sheet.

    When the ice melts, the sea will subside by a corresponding amount.

    When the bough breaks, the cradle will fall…

  • Robert – what a great post. People where I live cut their grass on riding mowers with cup holders for their lite beer. Anything the mower misses gets doused with roundup. They talk or watch their ‘devices’ while they ride. Many are obese.

    One neighbor hates that the vireo tries to build a nest in the rafters of his porch, and destroys the nests with his broom. Then when the mosquitoes show up, he turns on the bug zapper. He likes it that every year there are fewer and fewer insects.

    I found a dirt dobber’s mud nest today that he had knocked to the ground. The little tunnels were stuffed with paralyzed spiders, several different kinds. I’m taking them out one by one with tweezers and trying to identify.
    I’m on my second gin & tonic…
    A nice evening.
    There are still enough insects of the singing variety to create a very loud 3 dimensional fabric of sound in the humid air of the summer night here …. katydids, cicadas, locusts, crickets. I first heard this symphony while floating in amniotic fluid, and it sounds like home. I love them and wish them well.
    This is also the anniversary of the death of the best friend I’ve ever had, and the best person I’ve ever known. My dog. Her death was my fault.

    Richard- I feel that way too on my better days. Life is just so fucking interesting, I wake up wondering what the day will bring, and hate to think I might miss the ending, although I know it will be beyond hard to endure.
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  • Wren, so sorry about your dog. Our dog, too, was a great “person”.

    I used to feel that way, wanting to see how the movie ends. When I went to movies, I would never ever leave no matter how awful it was, but I feel differently now.

    Just got a digest from the America 2.0 group with a link to a story about hundreds of elephants poisoned by poachers who put cyanide in their watering hole. On days like this, I really feel like I can do without seeing the rest of the movie.

    @milendia, you can write to me at lidiaseventeen, care of the G mail service, if you would like to visit Vermont for a bit. I wrote an extremely long comment last night in response to what you wrote and what Daniel wrote, but thought better of posting it because it was just too raw.

    @Robert, thanks for your posts. I can only commiserate.

  • ‘What the hell to do? Anti depressants? Pot? Both?’

    i’ve smoked pot regularly for over 15 years now. because i surrealized, without anyone telling me, that it’s an effective anti-depressant. just a little pinch every evening, one ‘hit’, does the trick. it certainly isn’t a complete cure, more just a palliative, but enough of one so that i can usually get a good night’s sleep. chronic insomnia’s a bitch, one of the worst affects of chronic depression imo, so that’s why i smoke. before that, i tried a couple of different pharmaceutical anti depressants. the first didn’t do shit, the second i quit after just one day because it made me feel like such shit, and by that time i already knew about pot, so i wasn’t willing to put up with horrible side effects when with pot, the only bad side effects are associated with it’s stupid illegality in most places. of course, ymmv.

    ‘I’m simply happy to find myself separated from the dominate culture by my knowledge and understanding. I think it’s a positive and healthy sign of a relatively well adjusted life.’

    that brings to mind this krishnamurti quote: ‘it’s no sign of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society’.

    as usual, i’m very much appreciating and am humbled by many of the recent comments here.

  • Robin Datta Says:
    August 6th, 2015 at 4:33 pm

    Masses have gravity, an attractive force for other masses. The moon’s pull on the earth induces a distortion towards a shape like an egg with the pointy end pointing at the moon, which follows the moon in whichever direction it happens to be.

    These distortions are known as tides. In the case of the solid part of the earth the distortion is in the order of a few inches, but the distortions of the oceans is much greater because they can flow more easily, and the resultant tides are several feet.

    Similar distortions occur due to the sun’s pull, but in spite of the greater mass of the sun, its greater distance distance results in a weaker pull. The intensity of the pull declines by the square of the distance: twice as far, a quarter of the pull; three times as far – one ninth; four times – one sixteenth; five times – one tmenty-fifth. When both are pulling in the same direction, the tides are largest, “spring” tides, and when pulling in opposite directions, the tides are smallest, “neap” tides.

    Now instead of the moon 250,000 miles up and moving, if there was a large mass sitting at the surface of the earth, it too would exert a gravitational attaction on the rest of the earth, trying to distort it into the shape of an egg with the point towards that mass. The distortion would be largest in the part that flows more easily, viz. the ocean, a stationary tide drawing the water up towards the mass. If the mass is the miles-thick ice sheets in Greenland and the Antarctic, the nearby sea would in effect have a level that much higher near the ice sheet.

    When the ice melts, the sea will subside by a corresponding amount.

    When the bough breaks, the cradle will fall..
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    Exactly Robin !

    This is what Phil Morrison missed, but he need not feel bad in any way.

    Some world class sea level scientists do not yet get it.

    Haven’t for a very long time (e.g. “the European problem” in the scientific literature).

    My link (Peak Sea Level – 2) which Phil commented on without reading pointed that out.

    Sea level change is happening around S.E. Alaska (level lowering as glaciers there melt), and also lowering around Greenland and Antarctica as ice sheets there melt or calve into the sea.

    At U.S. East Coast the sea level is rising.

    As a matter of fact, that area is impacted with rising pulses generated by both Greenland and Antarctica.

    The U.S. is the focal point for the larger or largest rises in sea level ongoing slowly now, but accelerating.

    This is the new paradigm.

  • I just finished reading all the comments here in the last two hours, A slow reader,and slower study. Wanted to write a whole piece about me and my troubles but no need now. After reading this I feel happy and sad, to bad it takes an extinction to create such true peace and real love, and I can’t really write anyway, but you all can !, and this was the best damm two hours Thanks Have a grateful dead day, and love goes with us over the edge

  • Oh well, the real Cait speaks out against homeless people, sort of like Cosby the former greatest shit.

    “And, in the ultimate proof that she’s on the right side of history, Caitlin got her own reality show. But no sooner had her show begun than she wobbled off-script for a moment, and our newborn Cinderella proved to be more of an old-fashioned Wicked Witch. When one of her girlfriends talked about the importance of caring for homeless people, Jenner said, with an adorable toss of her bangs: “Don’t they make more by not working–with social programs–than they do with an entry level job?”

    And this from Earl Butz (there is always a huge helping of bigotry): “Pat, the only thing the coloreds are looking for in life are a tight pussy, loose shoes, and a warm place to shit.”

    And this: “Poor Earl Butz is as dead as vaudeville now, but if he were alive, he’d happily join Lindsey Graham in welcoming Caitlyn Jenner to the Republican party and praising her “courage.” ((some say Graham is sweet on McCain: Mr. No Courage.) And that’s the core of the problem: across the ultra-narrow spectrum of American media/politics, it’s become way too easy to be “courageous” on LGBT issues. It doesn’t cost anything. Every day and every night, MSNBC “bravely” champions gay rights, and they recently hired the first openly gay news-anchor. Excellent! Now when can we expect to get the first poor news-anchor? The first Native American news-anchor? The first ex-convict? We all know the answer: as soon as there exists a wealthy and powerful group of the homeless, or of American Indians, or of ex-cons, who contribute millions of dollars to the Democrats and Republicans, like the gay rights groups do…and not a day before.

    It’s the same old game, and you pay to play.

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/08/05/the-fake-courage-of-caitlyn-jenner/

  • Wow, Sunday it will be 99 degrees here in lower slo(w)bovia. No telling what the wet bulb and the index will be?

    BTW, anyone know where wet bulb temps are recorded and published?

  • My advice is to only cry in the rain, no one knows your crying then

    Martin

  • Can we have a Dr Guy Dinner party, where we sit around and resist the urge to tell people to fuck off?

  • The acceptance and absorbtion of NTHE makes you be 2 things which are the most beneficial
    1. In life … Nothing is more worst life than to be ordinary .
    2.In death .. You will not die dumb.

  • The latest essay in this space was penned by Alton C. Thompson. It’s here.

  • Daniel,Milendia,etc,

    Thank you for your comments and starting a discussion that I would be very please to see continued. Reading about how the reality and sadness of what we have set in motion affects the people here seems to be grounding some how.

    Some days it is just so damned hard to want to engage in life.
    When I discuss these things with my good friend (who is well aware of the subject) She always bring it back around to “These things are all true, but you still have to decide what your going to do each day when you get up in the morning.”

    So each day I decide. Some days it feel alright and other days I feel ridiculous to myself. Some days feel peaceful and other days l feel like I am walking through a field of dying victims during a battle.
    The cardinals and wrens, the insects and trees,the soil and steams and on and on.

    And the ones that cry loudest at these times are the ones that aren’t there – monarchs,toads,June bugs,bats -all gone from the piece of land since last summer.

    For anyone here familiar with Garrison Keillor –

    When I woke up this morning my first though was

    “Welcome to Lake We’ll Be Gone”

  • At the Beach of Doom, on an Asteroids rocky shore, a castaway on the Moon

    Babajingo Says: August 6th, 2015 at 3:41 am
    “Gnome- Because it reminds me of RIGHT NOW. Did I just blow your mind?”

    Gnome chimpsky…hmmm…

    Digixplor…hahahahaghahhhhaaaaha

    Kilgore trout…hahahlolhahahaheha

    Rift raft..hahahahehahahhhaaa

    Kilgore trout…the shit house lid blew off that malcontent ages ago.

    Rift raft…baba! Bloody ‘ell…good come back slick…we only wish we’d had a childhood. I happen to dig the’’cure’’ though.

    Gnome chimpsky…Corinthians 13:11- when I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see in a mirror dimly lit, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully…. …for when perfection comes, the partial will be done away…
    Kilgore trout…blathering chimp. What a stick up my ass.

    Rift raft…that was a trip, the other day, when that big hand came and slapped us around…

    Kilgore trout…lightning.

    Gnome chimpsky…deus ex machina.

    AN UNREASONABLE RHYME

    Digixplor…I have been shot at by white people and black people. I have a knack for being in the right place at the right time. Fortunately both factions were more interested in intimidation than blood. It’s a really long story.

    Kilgore trout…stupid backwards inbred coward white supreme- a- cist shot his dog with a high powered scoped rifle, from a quarter mile…
    Rift raft…I thought of a million ways to kill that bastard…

    Gnome chimpsky…he thought you were a threat because you smoked weed…he has young children and you appear to be an insane city dwelling pervert…

    Digixplor…I made my point, by leaving all of the remaining dog food on his front step.

    Rift raft…he didn’t get your point moron…you should have let me burn his house down, riddle his house with bullets or poison his cattle…

    Gnome chimpsky…beautiful Siberian husky/ wolf hybrid…had a little ADHD, but a very sweet animal.

    Kilgore trout…Mayberry from hell.

    Digixplor…I was shocked that places still exist like that in America…

    Rift raft…wait ’ll you hear about the sheriff and his posse!

    “Starving Artist” A work in progress, by Patrick St.Amour copyright 2015

    thanks, Guy

  • Shep — Weather Underground reports ambient temperature (dry bulb) and dewpoint. Wet bulb can be calculated from those. Here’s an online calculator:

    http://www.ringbell.co.uk/info/humid.htm

  • Chimpsky your writing style reminds me of Bret Easton Ellis, (Less Than Zero).
    I like it!
    Almost reads like a screenplay.
    Although I prefer the more ancient version of that verse from Corinthians, “…For now we see through a glass darkly…”
    Keep us posted on how it develops.

    Wren…where Mayberry meets the Twilight Zone.
    .

  • On the latest thread where I can’t post there now, because I already did my two:

    Dredd Says:
    August 7th, 2015 at 9:41 am

    Speaking of abrupt climate change, the NSIDC site shows either a hack or a huge growth of Arctic sea ice extent over night:

    https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

    I have been tracking it and all changes have been smooth, not a radical 90 degree turn on the graph (Arctic Ice Extent: 2015 Struggles For First Place – 2).

    Anyone else get that picture?

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    Ghostwheel Says:
    August 7th, 2015 at 10:04 am

    Hm.

    From 6.586 million sq km to 6.876 million sq km in one day….

    Yes, Dredd, this is strange.

    A hack, or someone perhaps pressed an “8” instead of a “4”, or the flying saucer people are finally coming to our rescue.

    I will go outside, scan the skies, and welcome our space brothers in peace. ?
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    MY REPLY TO GHOSTWHEEL:

    I immediately took a look around to see if a large chunk of the Greenland ice sheet had calved to increase the arctic ice extent …

    I am still at a loss …

    The northern coast of Greenland has seen a lot of melt … above average … and thus the NEGIS (700 km long North East Greenland Ice Stream) could have done it … (Greenland & Antarctica Invade The United States)

    Still, that should be on breaking news but I have not seen or heard about it …

    Mystery.

  • I noticed the other day, when compiled for july, the death spiral had taken a turn north. a delay in data? just a guess, I’m a laggard as well….and thank you to Wren and an apology for rift rafts bad behavior…his breath has been linked to spontaneous combustion. we’re a moody bunch.

  • rift raft…it might have been Kilgore trout…I get confused.
    Kilgore trout…shut up dummy.

  • Dredd, the website has posted this:

    On August 5, 2015, a problem arose with the F17 DMSP satellite that provides data to generate the daily maps and time series in the NSIDC Sea Ice Index and Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis, as well as the Greenland Today daily melt extent. This has led to spurious values of sea ice for both the Arctic and Antarctic, and unreliable melt data for Greenland for this date. NSIDC is in the process of removing the spurious data, and will be closely monitoring the incoming F17 data stream.

  • well at least we’re finally on the same page. and so it goes.

  • spurious…bitches.

  • oldgrowthforest Says:
    August 7th, 2015 at 12:18 pm

    Dredd, the website has posted this:

    On August 5, 2015, a problem arose with the F17 DMSP satellite that provides data to generate the daily maps and time series in the NSIDC Sea Ice Index and Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis, as well as the Greenland Today daily melt extent. This has led to spurious values of sea ice for both the Arctic and Antarctic, and unreliable melt data for Greenland for this date. NSIDC is in the process of removing the spurious data, and will be closely monitoring the incoming F17 data stream.
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    Thanks so much.

    I corrected my blog pages.

    Cheers my friend.