Real News Network Interview

I was interviewed alongside journalist Dahr Jamail by the Real News Network on Thursday, 13 August 2015. The video result is embedded below and the full description and transcript can be found here.

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  • too bad about the suicide thing

  • okay, I stopped around the 7:00 mark, never saw you do so well, despite the voice warp, pink shirt and nose hair close-up. again, kudos on communicating.

    jeez belize, biogeophysics is coming to getcha

  • A philosophical question coming up for anyone out there who is philosophically minded.

    Let’s say we can define an “evil man” as someone who harms nature, for example someone who deliberately cuts down trees is an evil man, because cutting down a tree is equivalent to a cancer destroying lungs.

    Now if it were possible to identify all these evil men and then kill them all (and their children) would “evil” disappear off the face of the earth never to return or would it sprout up again at a later date??

  • Once upon a time there was a prince and a beautiful princess. The prince asked the princess to marry him. She said no and the prince lived happily ever after.

  • Great video of the discussion and interview.

    I put it on an SLC discussion (The SLC Software Model Beta).

    Methane release in the Arctic is likely to be accelerated by SLF.

  • whats going to happen to my cat?

  • Hi Cindy- For an animal to be driven to acquire Everything at the expense of All Life on the planet, is a bizarre thing to even contemplate.
    Yet here we are… living amongst the ruins of that mindset!

    Yes, those men are sociopaths, and they have bred copiously!
    (Check out Daniel Quinn’s theory on “the Takers”.)
    Even if they were all killed, I fear the tendency would reappear.
    That genetic flaw (possessed by some, but not all) magnified by fossil fuel energy and globalization have made the damage go parabolic at this point.
    Too bad the fatal flaw rewards its owner with nice big hits of dopamine, money, power, and sex in the short term.

    But sadly, even without the magnifying factors, the tendency has been there all along.
    Just look at the role of the Inquisition in the rape and genocide of native populations in central, south, and north america, for example.
    Yes, the king and the pope told the ‘explorers’ to do it, but don’t kid yourself, they were thousands of miles away, and they had a choice.

    The only other animal I know of who takes way more than it needs is the weasel. In the henhouse, the kill switch gets turned on, gets stuck, and just stays on. And then they kill not only the one chicken they would like to eat, but All the chickens. Still I would prefer their company over that of the sociopathic humans who have destroyed our precious blue planet.

    As far as your definition of terms, here’s a good tip from Aldo on telling right from wrong. Set your moral compass by this:

    “A thing is right when it tends to perserve the integrity, stability, and beauty of the biotic community. It is wrong when it tends otherwise.”
    ― Aldo Leopold circa 1947
    .

  • Regarding “chemtrails”, and all other topics, for the most part we think (or not) in service to our unconscious emotions—-not the other way around as so many of us so strongly wish to believe from the human supremacist perspective so common among us. Belief in the control implied by chemtrails, and other forms of planned geoengineering, helps many people to feel less anxious at a secondary, reactive, usually unconscious, emotion level. The more healthy alternative? Accepting our lack of control at a deeper, primary emotional level. This, of course, also applies to our many religious, philosophical, “spiritual”, and “consciousness”-related belief systems, which strongly encourage and support our present society’s taboo regarding death: our unconscious emotions, for the most part, drive these beliefs. What do we best do with this understanding, assuming that one manages to construct it? (Most people do not, and will not, construct this knowledge.) Again, learn how fully to experience, accept, and process those primary emotions instead of distracting ourselves from them through secondary emotional reactions and related thinking. Or so it seems to me. I probably have this all wrong.

  • Hi Wren –
    You wrote “The only other animal I know of who takes way more than it needs is the weasel. In the henhouse, the kill switch gets turned on, gets stuck, and just stays on. And then they kill not only the one chicken they would like to eat, but All the chickens. Still I would prefer their company over that of the sociopathic humans who have destroyed our precious blue planet.”

    Your comment is one that we have thought about alot here having chickens and having friends with chickens – all who have had weasel visitations at one time or another. It occurred to me that we (humans) see the weasel that way because it is acting in a human made environment against a large group of unnatural animals who can’t fly well and are congregated in unnaturally large numbers in an area they usually can’t escape from.

    To the weasel it is probably like being one of those people on some weird game show that get put in a booth with money blowing all around with only 1 minute to grab as much as they can.

    I image,though I don’t know for sure, that a weasel hunting natural prey,would never hit such a motherload as a the henhouse offers and that one might consider the behavior an aberration brought on by a human made “energy bonus”.

    To humans it seems like weasels have a specific hunting style because the henhouse is the only time we come into contact with such an otherwise elusive creature.

    I did have two surprising encounters, one with a weasel and on with a fisher.

    Because I do wildlife rehab, I get buckets of meat scraps from a local meat market to feed to meat eating birds that I care for(Crows,Ravens,Gulls,etc) Stuff they would otherwise throw away.
    In the winter I keep it frozen in the garage.
    One year I noticed that a weasel was coming into the garage and chewing off bits of the frozen meat. It got used to me coming and going and would stay and continue eating as long as I did not get to close. That winter I got to watch it up close and it was a beautiful thing to see.

    Another winter I was putting meat scraps out for the wild crows in the yard where the chickens like to hang out. I looked out the window and I saw a fisher at the pile of meat eating and the chickens were hanging out all around it unconcerned, just going about their chicken business.
    The fisher came back three days in a row and ate from the pile and never went after a chicken.

    This spring a mink showed up under the bird feeders and paid no mind to the doves and squirrels but instead happily munched on bird seed while the birds ate right near by.

    I had always thought that fishers,minks and weasel were vicious and easily excited to kill whatever they could get, but after seeing these behaviors, I have wondered what they are truly like.

  • What an illuminating analogy, thestormcrow. I’m fairly sure that peoples’ beliefs, values and behaviour change according to the amount and type of energy they can capture. Ian Morris has a very nice description of this phenomenon playing out over the last 10,000 years as humanity moved from foraging to farming and then to fossil fuels.

    https://www.amazon.com/Foragers-Farmers-Fossil-Fuels-University/dp/0691160392

    Morris shares the cultural materialism of Marvin Harris, but with a specific focus on energy capture. Most people won’t like him, bit I love both the idea and his delivery of it. Anyone who cheerfully calls himself “reductionist, materialist, universalist, functionalist and evolutionist” (to which I would add “essentialist”) gets my vote for a weekend’s thoughtful yet entertaining reading.

  • Martin is very funny ! He adapted to the gallows humor .. that`s the right attitude
    my attitude ?! I just want to get laid .

  • Paul Chefurka August 17th, 2015 at 12:40 pm,

    Seems pretty obvious to me. Even so, I look forward to reading the book.

  • The Real News feature was riveting. It seemed to me the interviewer quite bravely fought back the urge to console herself or her viewers. I think you can see this in her face as she deliberately questioned Guy & Dahr.

  • @martin: whats going to happen to my cat?

    +++

    Something cat-astrophic, no doubt. What that will be, exactly, we can’t yet say. Right now, it’s a Schrodinger situation.

  • “Follow the money.”

    All the factors that would cause humanity to rapidly ruin the planet and end up in the current predicament were identified by the late 1960s, as were appropriate strategies prevent that rapid ruination.

    Money-lenders, corporate leaders, opportunists, and bought-and-paid-for politicians lied in order to maintain western civilisation on its path to self-destruction.

    Fifty years later, money-lenders, corporate leaders, opportunists, and bought-and-paid-for politicians lie in order to maintain western civilisation on its path to self-destruction.

  • The people who run the industrial world could not give a damn about climate change, abrupt or not so abrupt:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-17/todays-most-stunning-statistic

  • The U.S. got rid of its grain reserve in 2008 during the, um, financial crisis when they converted it into money. How fucking stupid is that?
    I just bought a whole bunch of heavy duty steel shelves for preppin’. yeehaww!
    http://articles.latimes.com/2012/sep/21/opinion/la-oe-kaufman-food-hunger-drought-20120921

    Giant whales found dead up & down Pacific NW coast, scientists ‘baffled’ over surge — 25+ carcasses reported in past month — Gov’t: “Troubling… Definitely a pulse of deaths” — Experts: “Alarming spike… Exceptionally rare to see a dead humpback”
    http://enenews.com/giant-whales-found-dead-pacific-northwest-scientists-baffled-25-carcasses-reported-month-west-coast-govt-troubling-definitely-pulse-deaths-expert-exceptionally-rare-dead-humpback-concerns

    West Coast Scientists: Many animals on sea floor looking sick or dead — “Everything’s dying… Dead, dead, dead, and dead” — Experts investigate what’s killing sea urchins and cucumbers in Pacific Northwest
    http://enenews.com/west-coast-scientists-many-animals-lying-sea-floor-looking-sick-dead-everythings-dying-dead-dead-dead-dead-experts-studying-whats-killing-urchins-cucumbers-along-pacific-northwest-beaches-nev

    Closed Colorado Mines are Toxic Time Bombs
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/aug/17/animas-river-mine-spill-experts-next-disaster

    The U.S. is now at wildfire preparedness level 5 — the highest there is — and the 2015 wildfire season still has a long way to go
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/08/14/the-u-s-is-now-at-wildfire-preparedness-level-5-the-highest-there-is/

    How Humans Cause Mass Extinctions: “We are in the process of killing off our only known companions in the universe, many of them beautiful and all of them intricate and interesting.”
    http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/mass-extinction-human-cause-by-paul-r–ehrlich-and-anne-h–ehrlich-2015-08collapse

    Another day, another kick in the balls muthah.

    Thermodynamics of Forest Driven Bio-diversity from collapse

  • Thanks Stormcrow!
    I love good weasel stories, and that one is a gem!
    And what an honor to be in the presence of a martin!
    All these creatures have an intelligence way beyond (and alien) to ours, but of course we set up an abnormal situation and then pass judgement on them for taking advantage of it!

    Not so in touch with it’s native intelligence is the modern chicken, as we have bred them to our convenience. But, that being said, I also love good chicken stories and this is one of mine:

    We had a small group of chickens, about a dozen.
    One chicken in particular, was determined to hatch some chicks.
    Even though we already had enough chickens, we let her set 3 eggs.
    Only one hatched.
    She was so happy and excited… for about a day.
    Then she lost interest and abandoned the baby chick.
    It was distraught, crying, running around, looking for mama.

    Two of our older hens were the best of friends. By older , I mean around 6 years old. No one gets culled at our house for being old and unproductive, lucky for me!
    So together the two of them adopted the orphaned chick.
    Now it had 2 mothers!
    The 3 of them slept together in a nesting box, they showed it how to hunt for bugs, they mothered it into full adulthood. This chick was a very small, cute, white chinese silky. And a rooster! Since the mothers were named Lucy and Ethyl, his name became Little Ricky.

    Meanwhile, our main rooster, LaVerne, (who was named before she came out ), was murdered one night by a racoon!
    After this, Little Ricky became the main rooster by default.
    He was ecstatic!
    Never in his wildest dreams did he ever imagine being main rooster!
    The other hens were fine with it too… all the sex became consensual, and everyone’s feathers stayed nice and neat.
    And we all lived happily ever after.
    That’s the way I tell it anyway.
    .

  • Great Real News broadcast.

    Best yet.

    Down and dirty.

    Git’m Doc.

    There ain’t much time left.

    Justice is on the way and we can all cease putting up with this stuff.

  • ‘Now if it were possible to identify all these evil men and then kill them all (and their children) would “evil” disappear off the face of the earth never to return or would it sprout up again at a later date??’

    You’d have to kill the evil women too. In modern industrialised societies they are just as common as evil men. A couple of the most evil NZ prime ministers have been female. And the CEOs of many dysfunctional, planet-destroying organisations are females Now with respect to your question, I think the answer is no. Sure, for a while co-operative, non-aggressive, ecologically responsible societies might be maintained. But looking at it genetically, all it would take would be for one ‘aberrant’ individual (say an unborn foetus, the product of a mistress relationship) and that individual would have a field day lying and stealing from the others. Looking at it culturally, an individual would soon work out the advantages of not playing by the rules. Who amongst us has never lied?

    This aspect of deceit versus honesty has been gone over thousands of times since the 1970s (maybe before). For societies to function a certain level of deceit is normal and can be tolerated.

    Humans are what they are because their past behaviours were the most biologically successful FOR THE INDIVIDUAL (not the species). And we have all inherited those behaviours via our genes.

    However, we now live in aberrant times in so far as deceit is now commonplace throughout ‘the system’. Indeed, ‘the system’ is maintained on the basis of widespread and continuous deceit, and therefore ‘the system’ must ‘implode’ in the fairly near future.

  • kevin moore Says:
    August 17th, 2015 at 5:07 pm
    “‘Now if it were possible to identify all these evil men and then kill them all (and their children) would “evil” disappear off the face of the earth never to return or would it sprout up again at a later date??’

    You’d have to kill the evil women too. In modern industrialised societies they are just as common as evil men. A couple of the most evil NZ prime ministers have been female. And the CEOs of many dysfunctional, planet-destroying organisations are females Now with respect to your question, I think the answer is no. Sure, for a while co-operative, non-aggressive, ecologically responsible societies might be maintained. But looking at it genetically, all it would take would be for one ‘aberrant’ individual (say an unborn foetus, the product of a mistress relationship) and that individual would have a field day lying and stealing from the others. Looking at it culturally, an individual would soon work out the advantages of not playing by the rules. Who amongst us has never lied?

    This aspect of deceit versus honesty has been gone over thousands of times since the 1970s (maybe before). For societies to function a certain level of deceit is normal and can be tolerated.

    Humans are what they are because their past behaviours were the most biologically successful FOR THE INDIVIDUAL (not the species). And we have all inherited those behaviours via our genes.

    However, we now live in aberrant times in so far as deceit is now commonplace throughout ‘the system’. Indeed, ‘the system’ is maintained on the basis of widespread and continuous deceit, and therefore ‘the system’ must ‘implode’ in the fairly near future.”

    This is a “demon seed” theory of human evolution. It doesn’t hold up to the facts. The hierarchal societies of the Middle East and Central Asia came about as a resort to ecological pressures that developed in a very short time frame. Existing societies did not have safeguards against such behavior, since it never arose up to then. A small number of individuals were thus able to force social changes upon large numbers of people and change the course of humanity away from an egalitarian, sustainable way of life which had marked the vast majority of the species’ existence. This is no way denotes anything about the human genetic structure, merely how a random turn in space time can lead a long time later to going over the edge as society proceeded on a road which suddenly departs from its land basis and runs over into open air, like Wiley Coyote.

  • Those who believe in theories of social Darwinism, such as a theory that the most brutal genes would dominate and survive, need to realize that Darwin never subscribed to any such theory. Darwin’s theory proposed physical adaptations for survival, full stop. It was others after Darwin who warped his theories into concepts of Social Darwinism, and many people feel these theories simply don’t hold water.

    Social Darwinism is a modern name given to various theories of society that emerged in the United Kingdom, North America, and Western Europe in the 1870s, which claim to apply biological concepts of natural selection and survival of the fittest to sociology and politics.”

    Perhaps reading a work such as “Columbus and other Cannibals” by Jack Forbes could offer another perspective as to how things are and how things have come to be the way they are.

    I’ve spent a lot of my life working with shamanism, and have come to understand that our barbaric mentality arises mostly out of cultural and social conditioning, and is not an inherent part of our genetic makeup, as so many people are (wrongly) wont to believe. I have seen first hand how people, even western peoples, can heal from this disease of mind and regain a more natural mentality, although not with certain mental desire and effort.

    However, don’t think I’m offering any hopium here; while I once may have had hope, I came to realize long ago that nothing will ever outpace the lure that modern civilization places on the minds of unaware humans. As it is with all our other predicaments, there is an active force working to subvert health in our global culture, one that works to keep the status quo in place. Healthy people just don’t lust after trinkets or sit boxed up in offices working for corporations that have no integrity. Those working to promote mental healing and conscious awakening have been as blocked and as subverted as those working for a cleaner environment, or to end global warming.

    The forces of evil were just too strong and entrenched, and so now it’s Wile E. Coyote time for us all. Oh well. But Social Darwinism? Pffffft. That’s just a poor excuse for justifying bad behavior. There always has been other ways to ‘be.’ I don’t buy into the genetic disposition thing at all. Neither did Darwin, at least not when it came to psychology. The first step to healing from a barbaric disposition is to admit that you’re sick in the first place. That’s where you start, just like with any addiction.

  • Honestly, I’m just waiting for DrEpiphany’s beach party. I hope it happens before extinction.

  • http://robertscribbler.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/high-heat-index-us-south.gif?w=600&h=479

    Reports of a week long heat event for the Gulf States.
    Heat index listing of 100 and higher in some of the most
    humid parts of the country that has unreliable electricity and
    a large number of rural poor.

    https://robinwestenra.blogspot.ca/2015/08/heatwave-in-southern-united-states.html

  • In the early 1990s I went to see a psychotherapist, partly to address some relationship issues and partly to process having recently met my birth parents for the first time. He was an older psychiatrist who taught at the local hospital. I liked him a lot. At one point I expressed to him a secret wish that has dogged me all my life in different forms and that I’ve expressed to myself in different ways: I told him what I really wanted in life was to become a “wandering zen lunatic”.

    He about fell off his chair. ” A Wandering Zen Lunatic!! What kind of goal is that??!!” While I was secretly kind of tickled about having ‘got his goat’, I also realized this would not be a wise direction to proceed. I intuitively sensed that he would never understand and any further dwelling upon the topic would cause a serious stigmata to befall my records. I couldn’t quite name the feeling, but it was a sense of being institutionally blocked from my true self. This was far from the first or last time I’ve felt it and it always came from a place of authority.

    I didn’t understand my impulse at the time, where it came from, or even what such a transformation would actually look like. I thought it might look a bit like the Hindu Sadhus, or Richard Hell’s dream of being “a very clean tramp”. It was an innate desire to walk away from civilization and to re-wild. It was a step I couldn’t and still can’t take. I still fantasize about just walking away, although I now understand that would also be a kind of suicidal impulse.

    The wandering zen part remains elusive, but every day that goes by where I don’t have a job, or a retirement account, or talk to others about how the end is neigh, I get a little closer to the lunatic part…

  • El Sea, I am with you on this. Except for perhaps the lunatic part. I’ll take the wandering Zen of it. However, I have personally completely romanticized the entire notion of being a wanderer. I know in my heart of hearts that I am addicted to industrialized civilization, to running water, to readily available food, to a comfortable bed, to health care when I need it, etc. I lived in a tent on a mountain for a summer when I was a river guide but I still had access to a community shower/bathroom so it wasn’t really ‘roughing it.’ That’s the closest I’ve come to being ‘off the grid’ and even that wasn’t so easy (and it was just a summer job anyway). So instead I just try to keep up with the bills so I can hang on to the comforts and not worry too much about the future. At least for now. When everything goes down the tubes, I won’t be much better off than all the fools who didn’t know it was coming. But at least I didn’t spend my life looking forward to a retirement that will never arrive.

  • @El Sea.
    You said (within the context of everything else you said):

    “It was an innate desire to walk away from civilization and to re-wild. It was a step I couldn’t and still can’t take. I still fantasize about just walking away, although I now understand that would also be a kind of suicidal impulse.”

    Would it have been suicidal? Isn’t that just what our culture and society wanted you to think? Our system wanted you to remain fearful of not working toward some elusive retirement investment, which keeps you at a job and paying taxes (even though they would just snatch that retirement away from most people in a fancy maneuver called the 2008 stock market crash anyway, he he.)

    I’ve known many people who have mimicked an old style native vision quest, or if you will, an Australian aboriginal walkabout. They’ve done it either in a full urban setting, or maybe with a pack and just their thumb out on the highway. I like to call it forcing synchronicity. I’ve done it myself even, a few times. You’d be surprised where it might lead you to, and what it might show you about reality.

    What you might find is that it’s not necessarily suicide at all. What you’d probably find is that there can be a flow and a synchronicity to life and existence that takes care of you quite well, unless it truly was your time to die, which wouldn’t have been likely. That’s what our culture’s social engineering wanted to keep you from finding out.

    You’re therapist wasn’t complicit in any conspiracy; he was just acting subconsciously through his own social conditioning. That’s how our society and culture self polices itself and keeps itself in line. He shamed you for wanting to take such a leap. “Are you crazy?” “What about your retirement, your job?” “We institutionalize people like you don’t you know?” (And they do sometimes, if your therapist hears about your vision quest; it’s just another form of social policing and enforcing conformity.)

    Anyway, just some food for thought. And that’s my second post. Now if anyone refutes my thoughts on Social Darwinism I’m shit out of luck. Oh well, we’ll all be dead soon anyway, right?

    To the black sand beach party … naked!!

  • Due to the synchronicity of comments here questioning the recurrence of ‘evil’, and finding a download available on doomstead diner, I thought I’d share this book I found referenced in another book on 9/11 truth. It appears quite thorough and suggests conclusions similar to some I have reached, namely, understanding psychopathology is key. I’m interested to learn what the author thinks can be done about it. http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/uploads/Peter/ponerology.pdf

  • @twimc

    Meet Jim Phelps, the DOE scientist who developed chemtrails and invented HAARP.

    http://www.doewatch.com/chemtrails/

  • Sorry Phil Morrison, but when the 3rd paragraph concludes with:

    “Chemtrails are, in essence, the man-made massive global white clouds that are the harbinger for Christ’s message.”

    You’ve already lost me. No offense, but there isn’t a single piece of scientific literature that I respect that mentions Jesus.

    My apologies for making a 3rd post.

  • LWA said:

    “The first step to healing from a barbaric disposition is to admit that you’re sick in the first place. That’s where you start, just like with any addiction.”

    This suits me. I keep blurting out to myself all day, “You sick, MFr!” Or maybe I’m overdoing it. 🙂

  • Babajingo: Totally agreed. I’ve spent no more than two weeks at any one time in true wilderness/off grid. And then only as a member of a fairly well organized group. Never solo. How incredible it always felt to take a hot shower and crawl into a soft bed upon a return to civilization. It’s the romantacization of being a “wanderer” that I find so interesting. And I puzzle over why this has been such a near lifelong fantasy for me. Why has it been such a persistant and often romantic ideal?

    Little White Ass: Right. There was a time when I wouldn’t have thought of becoming a wanderer or vision-quester or walk-abouter as suicidal. Rather as an attempt at gaining a potentially mystical and transforming experience. Yet, knowing this I could never take that first cascading step. It seems even less possible now with partner, animal companions and lots of “stuff”. The stuff I could mostly do away with…no problem. Not so much my sweeties. The dogs might adjust, but I’m pretty sure the elderly cats would not dig a life out on the road…they were very pissed when we moved from one home to another several years ago. So these attachments make the thought of becoming a wanderer feel suicidal. Such that, I suppose one of my markers for a time to really contemplate suicide, would be a time when we were forced by: starvation, weather, raping armies, radiation, etc. to become wanderers. Like, the ideal has become the horror. And that horror is the reality for a majority of beings in this world… So, I’m still working on my reified fears and those fears remain in tension with this fantasy of becoming a wanderer.

    I first ran into the idea of “wandering zen lunatics” in Jack Kerouac’s writings. It’s interesting how over the course of about 50 years our cultural conceptualization (as represented in media) of what it might be like out on “The Road” has shifted. From Kerouac’s petrol fueled joy ride to McCarthy’s cannabalistic predators. That cultural trajectory pretty much follows Hubbert’s peak oil curve.

    Terrence McKenna’s thoughts about an Archaic Revival are maybe my true, albeit romanticized, ideal of being a member of a community of cooperative wanderers. But that’s as much an unrealistic and impossible fantasy as any other now in the midst of exponential climate chaos and NTE.

  • Sorry, third post, and I promise I’m done now.

    @El Sea
    No worries, I have a cat with me now too, and I wouldn’t take her on a walkabout either. There are other ways to break your head out of the dominant culture, and I suspect anyone who’s here on this site has broken those chains to some degree one way or another, even if it wasn’t intentional.

    The thrust of my post was to allude to how the dominant culture uses fears to keep people afraid of what might happen if they were to not follow the ‘prescribed way.’ Without getting too out there, I just wanted to point out that many of those fears are artificial and not really true, right out into the bizarre even.

    Enjoy your cozy bed tonight; I know I’ll be enjoying mine, with a cat at me feet even (if she doesn’t decide to take my pillow from me again tonight.) 🙂

    @Artleads … remember to be gentle with yourself, let the love remain. 🙂

  • “a “wandering zen lunatic”.” Reminds one of Kefitzat ha-Derekh. Setting out on a journey on foot expected to take weeks or months, upon arrival at the destination, the folks there had no way of promptly knowing the date when the journey began. Comparison of records from the two monasteries a long time later indicated a journey of a few thousand miles across China completed in a few days.

    I have met persons who didn’t look crazy but said that they knew of someone who had completed a journey on foot from San Francisco to Los Angeles in two hours. (It takes 5+ hours to drive). There are other abilities described in various texts: one of several in the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali is the ability to have everything one says come to be. The method to achieve it seems simple: utter no falsehood knowingly for seven years.

  • Artleads

    You wrote:

    “This suits me. I keep blurting out to myself all day, “You sick, MFr!” Or maybe I’m overdoing it. 🙂 ”

    You are priceless !

    It is as if being alive is an addiction.

    All,

    look, I put up the best solution to the main CO2 problem over a year ago, but no one has yet picked it up and run with it.

    That solution was to beg all the first nations peoples to have a synchronized world corroberrie, calling all the spirits to activate 40 days and 40 nights (maybe longer) of rain with all the necessary volcanic or other chemical component release into the atmosphere to form carbonic acid in the rain, and get it all out of the air and into major deposits of limestone, as it happened last time(over a very long period).
    There are many who would feel this is a very silly idea, because they have no experience of other, less material dimensions of this world, but I can’t help that.
    So it can be done, and if it were to be done, we would have to have seriously learnt our little adolescent lesson about living within limits, not overbreeding,(plenty of ko-noodling is allowed 😉 ).

    No more IC, just human scale existence, but with some more connectivity than the first time around.

    If anyone else has a better real solution, then say so.
    So far mine is the most practical, (some readers are vomiting now I can hear), practical ? I hear some gasp. How is the idea of spooks and spirit worship a practical option? I hear some ask.

    It should be obvious that this kind of contact is what all mature native cultures demonstrated, and relied on to interact with the natural world. Humanism and monolithic religions particularly of the Judaeo-Christian kind, have violently almost extinguished these ways of being, but they survive.

    It will take greater minds and hearts than mine to actually perform what is needed to coordinate, and perform such a series of ceremonies world-wide, but the more ceremonies, done every month in sync with the moon cycle, the more people will get on board and the more likely human attention will aggregate around a positive energetic movement and a response will come.

    Someone out there must be the one to get it going. I will help, but I need help to do it.

    Any takers?

    Go on, do it for the planet and all life, is there a better reason?

    🙂

    ‘Native American- Cherokee Morning Song’

    ‘Aboriginal dance at Kakadu National Park & Uluru’

    All it will take is the music, and it will ‘call’ the right heart response in all who participate, and the songs and knowledge will come back.
    When the Easter Islanders recently experimented with using ropes to rock and walk the moai to see if it was a feasable way it was done, several islanders of advanced years began to sing a song that their grandparents had sung, and the rhythm made them recall it. The song literally reemerged when the activity was engaged.

    Easter Island moai ‘walked’

    ‘Indigenous Native American Prophecy (Elders Speak part 1)’

    ‘Aboriginal Sacred Smoke and Fire Ceremony, Tent Embassy 2012’

    It can be done, and if we want to survive, we have to do the work!

    Laugh all you like, but what is there to lose but some prejudices and a living planet?

  • welcome to the wailing wall at the beach of doom. please stuff any comments or complaints in the crack. you’re done!

  • been getting 404 Page Not Found messages lately

    i don’t care about chem-trails since the damage has already been done by the CO2 from 1750 onward, and now we have methane and hydrogen sulfide to add to that.

    i did find this though, if anyone cares to read it. The person who did the study found that coal fly ash (a residue from electric power plants)
    is the culprit.

    Why the “Chemtrail Conspiracy” Is Real

    http://www.activistpost.com/2015/08/why-the-chemtrail-conspiracy-is-real.html

  • Whether you find your true self or not …

    Whether the true self that you find is true or not …

    Whether you dance, wander, drink your self to death, or just piss & moan …

    Whether you find spiritual connection to the earth or not …

    You will soon be suffering unto death, so will everyone else.

    Plenty of wailing wall “greefs & suffrins” already.

    Bangledesh, Kiribati, & Palestine are prologue???

    Just imagine the oppressive thirst & heat in the rubble of Syria & Gaza?

    Guy, there isn’t much question that twisted asinine scumbags, like Phil M, want to throw wasteful stinkbombs at your site.

    I don’t want to squander too many brain cells as to why.

    The maps of upcoming “real” heat indexes at Scribbler is plenty of brain food for contemplation – spiritual or otherwise.

  • Just saw a feature on the plight of the Navajo Nation where 40% have NO water. Will not url it because it is the same old story over and over again. Suffice to say that it reminds me of the song “Ira Hayes” that syas:

    Down the ditches for ten thousand years
    The sparkling waters rushed
    Then the white man stole the water rights
    And the running waters hushed.”

    THE WATERS ARE STILL HUSHED.

  • Paul Chefurka,
    Thanks for the book suggestion. when I saw it in a previous comment I ordered it from interlibrary loan. I look forward to reading it.

    Wren- I love your chicken tale.
    We also have multi-generational chickens since we let them live out their lives in peace once they are done egg laying. I am uncomfortable with the idea of being mother/executioner to another creature. I often think that when humans took up the role of nurturing and then killing, that it was one of the turning points in our
    view of the world that led us to the place that we find ourselves in now.

  • Guy, in the video, mentioned Arctic methane release.

    Arctic methane hydrates I presume.

    A new dynamic promises to cause much more methane hydrates to be released (Peak Sea Level – 4).

    Got SLF?

  • El Sea, Baba j, LWA,
    I too made the “descent” into dropping out for a while in Alaska in the 80’s. Just my trusty tent and my Rock Hopper for transport. Not totally roughing it, I did work at Denali. I would feel much more comfortable now with extended knowledge of wild-crafting. It was lonely at times, just have to find the right crowd. Pretty good one here.

    Speaking of McKenna and Archaic Revival, I just ran across this:
    “We, we the people of the high-tech civilisations, are like the prodigal son. We made a descent into matter. We have wandered many years in the wilderness. Now, in a time of great planetary crisis, we must return to the tribal fold. We must take what we learned from the peregrination into history and return to the tribal model with it. Only in that way, then, can we reclaim our sexuality, reclaim our identities and reclaim the planet for itself.”
    Romanticized? Probably, in as much as most of us will probably not have time or inclination to take the McKenna path. The great unraveling accelerates exponentially.
    http://deoxy.org/t_camden.htm

  • Can’t pass up another comment directed at Mother Berman.

    His man was Jimmy Carter. Thought he was the best. Well, I kept attempting to tell him that his human rights were the same as all the other capitalist bullies. Here is the proof.

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/08/18/jimmy-carters-blood-drenched-legacy/

  • Hi Oz Man,

    Thanks! I consider you priceless too. Especially this:

    “That solution was to beg all the first nations peoples to have a synchronized world corroberrie, calling all the spirits to activate 40 days and 40 nights (maybe longer) of rain with all the necessary volcanic or other chemical component release into the atmosphere to form carbonic acid in the rain, and get it all out of the air and into major deposits of limestone, as it happened last time(over a very long period).”

    Now it takes some serious cajones to place this on NBL. Even good friend Mark Austin dismissed my “idea” of shooting a laser upward that would cause the carbon to descend as rain. (I looked up liquefying CO2, but what I got didn’t encourage me a whole lot, even though that says nothing.) But your idea is far better (and more practical). And we certainly could do with some planetary corroberrie of any sort!

  • Tuesday, August 18, 2015
    Disappearance Of Thick Arctic Sea Ice

    https://arctic-news.blogspot.ca/2015/08/disappearance-of-thick-arctic-sea-ice.html

    [quote]

    Absence of thick sea ice makes it more prone to collapse, and this raises the question whether the sea ice could collapse soon, even this year. Sea ice works like a mirror. Without sea ice, sunlight that was previously reflected back into space, will instead be absorbed by the Arctic. Albedo changes in the Arctic alone could more than double the net radiative forcing resulting from the emissions caused by all people of the world, as calculated by Prof. Peter Wadhams back in 2012.

  • I’m sure Liquorice(my cat) will be ok, he can eat me until i go off then go back to killing everything else that moves. I’m not so sure about the rest of us, i think the rich and powerful will set loose the dogs of war before we re-equilibrate as a viable structure. I firmly believe that life will go on, just not for all of us

  • No offense to the good D. but I think he’s wrong. It’s much more likely that WE will kill ourselves off through Nuclear, chemical and biological warfare then through climate change. He’s not wrong that a lot of people will die from it and the world will never be the same again, but total extinction for humanity from this event. Ah, NO! We’ve experienced sudden exponential climate disruptions before ( think super volcanoes) and we’ve survived them and even thrived. We’ve also survived deep Ice ages and survived. Were a hardy bunch and some portion of us will make it through to the other side of this calamity. Will our present society survive? No, it won’t. What will replace it? I’m not sure.

  • Red dwarf suggested the evolution of Felix Sapiens, all they need to displace humanity and take over is the invention of the tin opener,lol

    dont despair

    “I am the cat that walks by himself, and all places are alike to me”

    Rudyard Kipling

  • @Robin: There are other abilities described in various texts: one of several in the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali is the ability to have everything one says come to be. The method to achieve it seems simple: utter no falsehood knowingly for seven years.

    >>>

    Things that make you go Hmmmm…

    BREAK IT DOWN!

  • Thwarted yuppie sportfucking (Swedish; focktesticka) in the desperate times of abrupt extinction events, oppressive heat, & sundry other pressing ethical dilemmas & corkscrews.

    Wanting any semblance of intellectual support for her comprehensive Jungian archetypes, Mary scried an archetypal literary corroboree with dancing & up to the minute extinction & denial poems & lit crit.

    For a definition of “scry” see Eng 201 in the course catalog – a very hard word to use in intellectual discourse(s).

    “First you scry, as in Emerson – then the scries manifest, maybe?”

    Prompt delivery into the liberating spirit world with plenty of Fed Reserve notes leftover for a jet trip to Peru & some terrific ayahuasca would be forthcoming.

    Sensing that Fred was chagrined by the complete lack of operational commands or simple operational directions, Mary announced; “Heaven hath wrought our complete freedom from any material & physical restraints, Fred”

    Mortified, distraught & disgusted, Fred replied despairingly; “Fock, shid, pizz, Arab, Jew, Dagos, Spics, Nigrahs, white trash, Monsanto, smoke trails, screw …”

    Vocalizing her sexual frustration(s) at Fred’s disdain, Mary spake bluntly; “Yabut, there are precious essences in the pain & sufferings according to the visionary poets like Andrew Harvey?”

    “My vision is for methane poo-poo & pestilence,” Fred replied contemptuously.

    “Negativity will be your downfall, you materialist dupe,” Mary answered haughtily.

    Lots of dialogue but no real content.

    Getting down to the wire w/o even getting down?

    I’ll say.

  • ”my vision is for methane poo-poo & pestilence.” see Gerald? wasn’t that cathartic!

  • Humans responsible for demise of gigantic ancient mammals
    Early humans were the dominant cause of the extinction of a variety of species of giant beasts, new research has revealed.

    “Scientists at the universities of Exeter and Cambridge claim their research settles a prolonged debate over whether mankind or climate change was the dominant cause of the demise of massive creatures in the time of the sabretooth tiger, the woolly mammoth, the woolly rhino and the giant armadillo.
    Known collectively as megafauna, most of the largest mammals ever to roam the earth were wiped out over the last 80,000 years, and were all extinct by 10,000 years ago.”

    http://www.exeter.ac.uk/news/featurednews/title_465673_en.html

  • Scientists find evidence of prehistoric massacre in Europe

    “What is particularly interesting is the level of violence. Not just the suppression of a rival community — if that is what it was — but the egregious and systematic breaking of the lower legs,” said Scarre. “It suggests the use of terror tactics as part of this inter-community violence.”

    Meyer, an anthropologist at the University of Mainz, Germany, said nobody can say for sure what prompted the killings so long after the fact. But it’s possible to put forward theories, based on what’s known about the LBK culture and the conditions they faced. For example, the end of LBK culture coincided with a period of climate change.”
    “The LBK population had expanded considerably, and this increases the potential for conflict,” said Meyer. “Also, the LBK were farmers, they settled. So unlike hunter gatherers, who could move away to avoid conflict, these people couldn’t just escape. Add to this the fact that there may have been a period of drought that constrained resources, causing conflicts to erupt.”

    “It’s likely that the young women, who are missing in the grave, were kidnapped by the attackers,” said Meyer.

    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/763a01f014264d04b89b14770ff064bf/scientists-find-evidence-prehistoric-massacre-europe

  • 50 Gt Ch4 = catharsis, gnosis, & no more cannolis.

  • @Apneaman: Scientists find evidence of prehistoric massacre in Europe

    From the article:

    BERLIN (AP) — Scientists say they have found rare evidence of a prehistoric massacre in Europe after discovering a 7,000-year-old mass grave with skeletal remains from some of the continent’s first farmers bearing terrible wounds.

    Archaeologists who painstakingly examined the bones of some 26 men, women and children buried in the Stone Age grave site at Schoeneck-Kilianstaedten, near Frankfurt, say they found blunt force marks to the head, arrow wounds and deliberate efforts to smash at least half of the victims’ shins — either to stop them from running away or as a grim message to survivors.

    “It was either torture or mutilation. We can’t say for sure whether the victims were still alive,” said Christian Meyer, one of the authors of the study published Monday in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

    Meyer said the findings from Schoeneck-Kilianstaedten bolster theories put forward after the earlier discovery of two other grave sites in Germany and Austria. At all three sites, the victims and the perpetrators appeared to have been from the Linearbandkeramik — or LBK — culture, a farming people who arrived in central Europe about 5,500 B.C. Their name derives from the German phrase for “linear band ceramics,” a reference to the style of their pottery.

    Fuckin’ western civilization!

  • Mother nature always made humans who kill and humans who don’t as a survival hedge on species propagation. There have always been humans who kill and humans who don’t despite cultural mores and cohesion. One step over the hedge bet line was all it took to end life as we’ve known it on earth. Peace was always based on plenty. Without plenty, there are more killers than ever. 5,6,7 billion killer cannibals will not be sight you want to behold. Mass extinction doesn’t mean that it will be terrible “after” all the animals are gone. It means it will be terrible beyond anything you can believe “before” all the animals are gone.

  • Guy your cognizance is more than the chem-trail nuts can handle.
    They obviously prefer their “necessary illusions” over reason and logic. What these folks take as evidence, defies gravity. The mental gymnastics are fun to watch.

    loved the RNN int., but it will only reach those that allow being reached

  • Ten thousand years ago there was so much food, water and land that small tribes could live in peace. Life was easy and way more peaceful. America’s freedom was based on plenty. It was way back in 2008 when America ditched its grain reserves and sold them for cash. Now you depend on world markets for your grain reserves. This means hunger will come to America. Naturally, the poor first. You can always get a job in prison growing food before the really bad times start.

  • It is good to see that some commenters recognise the true nature of humans, culturally unacceptable as it is to many.

    I’ve said it before and I’ll keep saying it: humans have evolved to take great care of those who are closely genetically related and to compete vigorously with those who are not. That competition has been frequently expressed as individual slaughter and mass slaughter in the past and the present.

    Industrial civilisation has temporarily removed to need for daily competition for food in the ‘developed world’, but competition for food has been replaced by competition for employment, housing, space on transport systems etc. Road rage has been recorded as the trigger for gun rage, particularly in the USA.

    Governments and corporation learned long ago how to create faux tribes and stir tribal passions in those who did (do) not recognise the manipulation going on. Whereas in the UK tribal warfare tended to be expressed on the soccer fields and the after-match punch-ups, here in NZ the manipulators have managed to persuade a large portion of the population that the meaning of life is best expressed through support for some particular rugby team, such the ‘Warriors’ or ‘All Blacks’. Such is the extent of mind control, a large portion of the populace wear black all the time, buy cereal in black boxes, buy black vehicles, paint their homes black, decorates cars and dwelling with black flags ect., and think it perfectly normal to do so.

    A decade ago, when I was teaching English to Asian students, I encountered quite a large number who wanted to be part of the Manchester United ‘tribe’. Tribalism rules.

    Some time ago the first recorded human massacre was reported. The original link seems to have disappeared but below is a reasonable substitute.

    Undoubtedly the first human massacre actually occurred long before the one reported, very likely hundreds of thousands of years ago.

    Arthur C Clark suggested the inspiration to pick up an object and clobber another proto-human came from a mind-controlling extra-terrestrial ‘monolith’.

    Recognising that our closest relatives, chimpanzee, are tool users and tool makers, and that they hunt monkeys, and occasionally hunt other competing chimpanzee tribes with the specific intention of causing severe bodily harm or death, I do not think we need invoke any extra-terrestrial forces to explain human behaviour.

    Human are natural born killers, and as I pointed out quite some time ago, as a user of advanced technology, I can kill anything on Earth, from a bacterium to a whale.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2691102/The-race-war-Scientists-investigating-13-000-year-old-bodies-discovered-edge-Sahara.html

    Humans remains of people killed 13,000 years ago in what scientists believe is the oldest identified race war, are today due to go on display at the British Museum in London.

    Two skeletons from a massacre in the Sahara desert in 11,000BC, which killed at least 26 people, will be shown in the new Ancient Egypt gallery, alongside the flint-tipped weapons with which they were killed.

    French scientists have been working with the museum to examine dozens of skeletons that were found grouped together in the Jebel Sahaba cemetery – one of the earliest organised burial grounds – on the east bank of the Nile, northern Sudan, in the 1960s.

    A pair of skeletons belonging to people who were killed on a massacre 13,000 years ago as the result of climate change, are going on show in the British Museum, London. Pencils pinpoint out pieces of weaponry responsible for their demise

    A pair of skeletons belonging to people who were killed on a massacre 13,000 years ago as the result of climate change, are going on show in the British Museum, London. Pencils pinpoint out pieces of weaponry responsible for their demise

    THE DISCOVERY AT JEBEL SAHABA CEMETERY

    The cemetery was discovered in 1965. It contained at least 61 individuals dating back about 13,000 years ago.

    The graveyard is one of the earliest formal cemeteries in the world.

    Prior to the discovery, only isolated graves, or clusters of up to three bodies had been known within the Nile Valley, experts at the British Museum write in a blog post.

    Out of the 61 skeletons found buried at the site, at least 45 per cent of them died from inflicted wounds.

    The remains are the earliest evidence for inter-communal violence in the archaeological record.

    Fragments of arrows and weapons were found alongside the bodies – with some weapons embedded in the bones. Cut marks were also found on the bones.
    .
    They believe the remains of the 60 individuals found – around half of which had cut marks on their bones – represent the first communal violence between groups.

    Fighting probably broke out because of the environmental disaster of the Ice Age, which caused the attackers and victims to live together in a smaller area, the experts explained.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2691102/The-race-war-Scientists-investigating-13-000-year-old-bodies-discovered-edge-Sahara.html#ixzz3jCovXjBC

  • @ R. Callaghan: It was way back in 2008 when America ditched its grain reserves and sold them for cash. Now you depend on world markets for your grain reserves. This means hunger will come to America.

    And then there’s the whole folly of growing corn to turn into (highly subsidized) ethanol to fuel happy motoring.

  • @twimc

    For those who like a little bullshit with their propaganda.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-whats-warming-the-world/

  • “And then there’s the whole folly of growing corn to turn into (highly subsidized) ethanol to fuel happy motoring.”

    Let’s not forget to mention all the corn syrup in mega-sized soft drinks that fuels the flabby happy motorists!

  • So, am I able to trademark a health symptom I’ve suffered for quite some time? I’m seeing tremendous die off of trees and “sick” vegetation everywhere. I was at work today and was thinking of our tragic planetary state. “CCIAS” is what I’m suffering.. Climate Change Induced Anxiety Syndrome. Sorry folks, but I believe this condition is real. My chest gets tight when I see the sick environment and changes going on about me year over year. Call me nuts, but I honestly believe my feelings to be “legit.” Can I get the copyright on this, please? I suppose the drug companies will be pounding on my door to get their hands in the “pot.” What a sick capitalist, greed-fed world we live in. No.. I don’t want a copyright… just see such change day over day and it makes me sad.

  • From Silent Spring at the beginning

    To Albert Schweitzer
    who said

    “Man has lost the capacity to foresee
    and to forestall. He will end by
    destroying the earth.”

    The sedge is wither’d from the lake,
    And no birds sing.

    Keats

    I am pessimistic about the human race
    because it is too ingenious for its own
    good. Our approach to nature is to
    beat it into submission. We would
    stand a better chance of survival if we
    accommodated ourselves to this planet
    and viewed it appreciatively instead of
    skeptically and dictatorially.

    E. B. White

    Saw the first geese restart flying over the Red yesterday (since the molt), twas nice.

    Look up while you can.

  • Let’s not forget to mention all the corn syrup in mega-sized soft drinks that fuels the flabby happy motorists! That too!

    @(No longer a) Pilot: I’m seeing tremendous die off of trees and “sick” vegetation everywhere. I was at work today and was thinking of our tragic planetary state. “CCIAS” is what I’m suffering.. Climate Change Induced Anxiety Syndrome… just see such change day over day and it makes me sad. I hear you. I liken our predicament — the situation you descirbe — to a nightmare from which one cannot awaken. Only death remains.

  • Artleads,

    “…we certainly could do with some planetary corroberrie of any sort!”

    You are so right, a ceremony would be great in any case.

    I figured I had been burned on NBL long ago because I dared to correlate reality with feelings and intuition. Not pointing at Guy, but it seems noteworthy he began to speak about grief and bring alive and stuff soon after I mentioned spiritual ideas of human attention affecting the physical world. Not saying that timing is cause and effect, because Guy has been on a personal journey towards greater understanding, and engagement with giving, and receiving, but it seemed the conversation here was so materialistic, that I had to comment on an alternative route to seeing reality.

    So it really matters what is ‘real’ here, because it bares on what kinds of means we have NOW to alter our trajectory.

    I know that is also taboo, because its ‘game over man’, and I am willing to hang on that if we are dumb enough to give up.

    Notwithstanding all that, nothing is impossible!

    Cheers.
    🙂

  • ‘Nothing is impossible’
    Horseshit.

  • @DavidHigham: ‘Nothing is impossible’
    Horseshit.

    Actually, that statement is anything but horseshit. It is a statement of scientific fact. It is the true nature of things.

    “Nothing” is impossible – as in: It is not possible to get to a state of “nothing”. There’s plenty of mattergy, and mattergy is conserved.

    You may like the way it’s conserved, but like the proverbial honeybadger, mattergy don’t care.

    Now, the only interesting question that remains – the one that makes archenemies Bud Nye and Gerald Spezio foam at the mouth, when they’re not foaming at each other is this:

    Is consciousness ALSO conserved?

    Whatever YOUR answer might be, the fact of the matter is that it happens to be an open question, not yet answered, and possible not capable of being answered, with the limited intellectual tools we have at the moment.

    Said another way, some people are convinced that nature bats last, and that consciousness emerges as a byproduct of nature. Others are convinced that consciousness bats last, and nature emerges as a byproduct of consciousness.

    It’s a big mystery…still.

  • simple rebuttal @ed:

    yet
    we have not found “nothing” yet
    and we may not

    In addition, abstract “nothing” the absence of something, is a semantics argument vs the scientific measurement of what we name nothing

  • @NoLongerAPilot, I call it “pre-traumatic stress disorder”.

    @Sabine, from the previous thread.. I appreciate the solidarity. I’m still curious as to why Religions get a societal pass on aspects of conformity. And why is it so hard to set up new “approved” religions?

    =====
    @everyone, the video about bacteria that artleads linked to here:

    Answering Questions About Empathy for ASGs, ESGs, and Life

    is really worth watching. [There are many errors on the subtitles so don’t depend on them; try to hear the speaker through his accent and neoligisms (“undermind” = underestimate)].

    I think offers has a great deal of illumination regarding human behavior, clearly explaining the surprising capacity for organisms to assume different characteristics depending on context. It really puts paid to the silly ongoing arguments in this space over whether humans are naturally good or naturally evil, naturally rapacious or naturally co-operative.

    Bacterial communication I was long aware of. What was new to me was the context-dependent transformation of individual organisms, not only in behaviour but physically! These sorts of studies, too, challenge what we assume about our own superiority and intelligence, seeing as we can easily be outdone in many ways by single-celled organisms.

  • ugh. I meant, “I think it offers a great deal of illumination.”

    And it doesn’t really “explain” as much as “demonstrate”.

  • Only someone who has new-age fairy floss where their brain should be could think that a global rain dance is the solution to climate disruption.

    ed: spare me from your drivel.

  • Lidia Says:
    August 18th, 2015 at 8:21 pm

    …@Sabine, from the previous thread.. I appreciate the solidarity. I’m still curious as to why Religions get a societal pass on aspects of conformity. And why is it so hard to set up new “approved” religions?

    It is NOT too difficult to start a “religion,” approved or otherwise, see this for an example.

  • OzMan
    If you are serious about using the subtle manifestations of matter&energy (which are as insentient as the gross manifestations) to influence events, it would be enormously helpful to enlist the efforts of those acquainted with such matters: every AWARE shaman on this planet that can be contacted. The p rituals will vary, but with common focus that should not matter. A Manhattan project of shamanism!

    Consciousness is no more subject to conservation than an hour can be measured in kilograms. Objectless consciousness is as imperciptible as the sunlight streaming on all sides past the earth at night. It is the Void, the Boundless Void, a Nothingness in which is the apparition of Thingness.

  • The Obama administration’s has approved Shell Oil’s plans to resume drilling for oil and gas in the Arctic for the first time since 2012. Today on Democracy Now, host Amy Goodman interviewed Athan Manuel, director of Sierra Club’s Lands Protection Program.Manuel stated that “this is really a disappointing decision, one we can’t figure out, one that’s not consistent with what this president has done in other realms around climate change.” This theme was repeated by Robert Scribbler in his post today about this item. This is blood-boiling bullshit. The Obama administration went all out to sabotage all of the six global climate summits held since Obama took office, approved plans for vast expansion of shale oil/gas drilling, went all out to protect BP around the Deepwater Horizon Gulf of Mexico disaster,….. This decision is totally consistent with the administration’s ecocidal record.

    kevin moore Says:
    August 18th, 2015 at 3:24 pm
    “It is good to see that some commenters recognise the true nature of humans, culturally unacceptable as it is to many.

    I’ve said it before and I’ll keep saying it: humans have evolved to take great care of those who are closely genetically related and to compete vigorously with those who are not. That competition has been frequently expressed as individual slaughter and mass slaughter in the past and the present.”

    “Selfish gene” drivel. Evolutionary biologis Lynn Margulis, whose symbiotic planet hypothesis has generally been accepted in the field. shredded the notion back in 2009,
    http://www.science20.com/gadfly/lynn_margulis_neodarwinism_and_kin_selection

    Unlike Stephen Hawking, Margulis picked up on 9/11 truth, by the way.

  • Jeff S

    I read the article you linked. Although critical of Dawkins, it adds nothing to our understanding of altruism.

    I watch very little television but did see some today, which was interrupted by a Save the Children begging video.

    After showing us images of malnourished children and children wading in filthy streams, Save the Children suggests to viewers that for as little as $10 a month people in affluent nations can substantially improve the lives of impoverished children.

    This kind of emotion-jerking is commonplace in our society, and the Save the Children campaign taps in to the most basic of human instincts -to care for the next generation.

    Yet saving children in other countries magnifies our predicament, as discussed long ago and at great length by Garret Hardin. Indeed, saving children from early death is one of the worst possible actions any of us can take, since it exacerbates the population overshoot problem, and if those children were to reach adulthood, they would become direct competitors and very likely extreme threats to our own survival and the survival of our progeny.

    There is no moral answer to any of this on an overpopulated planet which is about to suffer a big reduction in the availability of food and which is in the early stages of abrupt climate change which will render many, if not all, countries uninhabitable, and very likely within what would have been the natural lifespan of the children depicted in the begging video.

  • I think it is great if humans go extinct! I read Richard Leakey’s book the Sixth great extinction 20 years ago. Since then i was diagnosed with Leukemia. By some miracle i have survived 11 years. Changed the way I view everything.

    I grew up in Kenya and watched how farmers destroy everything. The book the Green History of the World documents all that. The climate crisis is just the latest example of human self destruction. Nothing new. Just more global. We will die. Read Marcus aurelius’s MEDITATIONS: It is all there. Life is a tragic suffering and then it is over. The fantasy of American culture and Christian religion is that we are all immortal.

    Sorry. We are just monkeys. We drop dead fast. Hope i live long enough to see the Methane destroy the world!

  • david higham

    I never stipulated a ‘global rain dance’, but a serious attempt at getting help from the only quarter left, which characteristically the materialists have consistently overlooked.

    Nevertheless I really like your phraseology …”Only someone who has new-age fairy floss where their brain should be”,

    …priceless 😉

    I’m going to nit-pick the term “new-age’ here. New age…? what the hell does that mean ? It really is a term that denotes the re-appropriation of animistic cosmological practices or ideas overlaid onto a Western reductionist material cultural base. The process of animism and shamanic energy relations- the rituals, ceremonies and subtle surrender of spirit- will not cut it when the individual or groups of individuals still think, believe, eat, sleep, relate and live by modern material ideals.
    The flow just does not happen.

    The role of sacred ceremony is to invoke the energy latent in the body-mind, having organised a circumstance that means the casual, everyday thinking is put aside, (not rejected).
    When people do this, either alone, or together in groups, reality is redefined for them in those moments.
    The more people that experience beyond the material, but without denying that aspect of human existence, and move into deeper experience of energy, feeling contemplation, and calm, the more likely the energy for profound agency, change and transformation will come.
    We are the early humans, but that does not mean all who went before were fools. Earlier cultures faced the same adaptation AND human maturation problems we do today. Some of their ways of being are useful for us.
    I am just pointing out the term new-age, when used as a pejorative, denotes a fool who is using a bygone cultural adaptation to the world with a modern mind. Of course that will not work.
    So lets be clear, I am not that, and my suggestion is not from that POV.
    If one had a festival, and all the beer and drugs and tribal hoo-ha turned up, with all the adolescent sex game posturing fire throwing and crystal healing, basket weaving tantra rituals, yeah, I’d be pretty surprised if that would do the trick.
    But I am not suggesting we have a festival.
    I’m suggesting we get as energetic in our centered hearts and CALL to our ancestors, to each others ancestors, and ask for their power NOW!
    Because what the hell did they live for if not to continue life.

    I knew there would be some nay-sayers, some in every crowd.

    People gotta drop the ego to get it done. If not, its ‘full stop, end of the human game, no reset !’

    There is only one process to drop the ego, and it happens one individual at a time.

    Lidia’s bacteria video holds a key.
    We moderns have conned ourselves into believing we have an intrinsic identity, identical to the named ego. All shamanic or ceremonial sacred processes cultivate a sacred circumstance that readjusts the environment, both human and environmental the precipitates the catharsis, or emergence of greater energy that manifests as bliss and light. The key is the environment is what defines the being. So our intrinsic illusion is undone by making the circumstance sacred.
    We are capable of transforming into light, or such high states of energy(but not mechanical, reductionist energy, conscious energy, and it is the environment that we have collectively, delusionaly manifested that is holding us back.
    Focus on the real, the bliss, and the light, no matter what arises, and the energy will manifest.
    Can’t be much clearer than that.

    Like Neo, in the film the Matrix, we need to believe we are the one, for it to be possible, not all 7+ billion, only 9%.
    It takes 9% of a group to positively affect the attitudes of the group.

    But it starts with only one.

    Try an experiment.
    Tomorrow, when next you leave your dwelling, ready to prep your day, ask yourself this question, “I wonder if what OzMan says is really possible, all that jibber about getting the carbon out of the atmosphere by some world corroborie thingy? Could it really work?”
    If you really ask, just for a few seconds, without the usual doubt-mind, just observe what actually happens in those moments around you, and later that day.
    That will be your answer.
    Others can tell us their stories, or great things, and miracles, and they inspire, but nothing beats your own experience in getting a handle on how this shit works here on this rock.
    That said, one also has to reflect on to what extent one’s subtle prejudices, or conditioned expectations have manifested one’s experience. That is why it is so dangerous saying anything is possible, or in the negative, nothing is impossible. Because if you start hearing that, it can become so, and vary soon, bingo, you are living in a very, very indeterminate creative place, (hopefully not an asylum).
    Like it says in the Celestine Prophecy, the first steps are noticing the coincidences. They are a sign you are ready to move into a level of energy with your life that converges with the mind being creative by the very thoughts that you generate, hold onto, and let pass.

    Artists are dangerous to the doubt-minded, because the doubt-minded culture cannot find truth, because truth , that of the child, the goodies and baddies polarities have been outgrown, but the adult connection to the energies of the universe, manifested here in this place, have not been stabilised. The doubt-minded live in the intransigent bardo of adolescent confusion. Not a place to stay in for long otherwise you destroy planets as habitat.

    The solution is to experience those energies in your body-mind, and grow.

    But it has to be a choice, chosen.

    The library is closing, I have to go.

    See you on the other side of the tessaract.

    😉

  • Richard Schaefer,
    I agree about ‘Meditations’ by Marcus Aurelius. A great book. One small section each day is the way to read it ,i.m.o..
    Our inescapable predicament and the insanity of the civilisation we have constructed and the obliviousness of the majority is tough.Dimensions that even Marcus doesn’t cover.

  • I spent my teen years with new-age hippy grandparents in the 1970s in Nova Scotia. I learned a bunch of bullshit about peace, love and spiritualism. I then moved to Toronto and lived on the streets there. That’s where I learned how fucking evil most people are. The fairy floss is just the stuff we use to hide our intentions, from ourselves.

    There is the new idea that earth is a giant battery powered by carbon life where energy is retained by the carbon in trees and plankton. Sunlight trickle charges this battery and we drain the fuck out of it.
    http://collapseofindustrialcivilization.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/pnas-2015-schramski-1508353112.pdf

    Now, there is another related idea that energy is the driving force for the very foundation in the evolution of complex life on earth.
    http://www.amazon.ca/Vital-Question-Evolution-Origins-Complex-ebook/dp/B00OD8Z4JW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1439982456&sr=8-1&keywords=the+vital+question+by+nick+lane

    Here is an idea that describes how evolution is a highly creative process instead of an procedurally incremental one.
    http://www.amazon.ca/Arrival-Fittest-Solving-Evolutions-Greatest-ebook/dp/B00INIQTA6/ref=pd_sim_351_4?ie=UTF8&refRID=1JMPA1D6CF9MHBENW83E

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  • Corroborees, dancing in & out of the light, vision quests, going mental, etc …

    In 1885 A Paiute shaman named Wovoka believed that he was a very special shaman with super special insights about social change.

    Wovoka had a powerful & profound vision/dream – the whole-ball-of-wax kind of vision/dream.

    Wovoka’s vision was THE inner spiritual revolution in spades – all intractable conflicts & problems solved – SHAZAM.

    Sweet Jesus-the-Christ (an Indian in the vision) told Wovoka in a dream that a great new awakening was coming – all of it terrific for Indians but a giant shitstorm for the white trash interlopers, troublemakers, & piss-ants.

    Long before Freud & Jung, Wovoka skillfully worked the dream metaphor as infallible authority.

    Wovoka taught that if lots of Indians would dance a new dance, all kinds of outright miracles, esoteric magic, & big medicine would be theirs for the drumming and dancing.

    Wovoka’s vision foretold that the fuggin white settler scumbags and armed soldier-boys on horses would drown in a great flood.

    The Indians would float in the air above the flood completely safe from all the drowning, piss, vinegar, death, & destruction.

    After gently floating to the ground the Indians would be in the land of milk and honey and have soft moccasins, strong tobacco, hot sex, and fuzzy warm blankets for eternity.

    No more imperialism, cholera, pestilence, corruption, & perdition.

    Most importantly, the white trash & their soldier boys w/guns would be gone for good – finito.

    Wovoka supposedly considered calling his dance of salvation; the New Age Holy Ghost Dance, but he finally settled on Ghost Dance, for parsimony.

    The Ghost Dance vision spread like dogs in heat.

    Before you could say Geronimo – there were dancing Indians everywhere.

    “We got this country moving again,” said Wovoka.

    Yabut, here is what eventually happened.

    Hundreds of white trash scumbag soldiers with deadly rifles, pompous & preening officers, Hotchkiss cannons, and the most absurd but lethal ethics massacred more than three hundred Indians at Wounded Knee, South Dakota.

    Wovika had preached that the Indians would be be protected by the Great Ghost Dancer in the sky.

    But the Indians didn’t float up or down, and the scumbag whites didn’t drown.

    Dead Indians everywhere.

    “The ease with which mentalistic solutions can be conjured up on the spot should tell how much attention we should pay to them.” B.F. Skinner

    search; WOVOKA: The Paiute Messiah

  • A quote from the link to the transcript of the video:

    PERIES: Let me start with you. The recent James Hansen report surpasses all previous predictions related to sea level rises. Why is that happening?

    JAMAIL: It’s because a phenomena is occurring called abrupt climate change, and it’s actually something I started to really become acutely aware of back in 2013, and became aware of Dr. McPherson and his work and conducted a long interview with him, and wrote a long article for TomDispatch.com called Are we already off the climate precipice?. And you read the article and the answer is clear, yes.

    They are talking about N O W (You Are Here – 5).

  • Here we have Dredd again obsessing about sea level rise which is such a “none issue” sea level rise will not impact anyone (except some low lying island folks who are just happy being relocated for free to new zealand ) by the time seal level rises extinction and (or) the end of civilisation is completed thus slr is a NONE ISSUE stop obsessing about it !

  • I’ve posted a new Edge of Extinction episode. You can view it here.

  • @Jeff S:

    I listened to Athan Manuel on Democracy now yesterday which left me yelling at my radio after Athan said Obama “gets it” and “cares about climate change” and has “made climate change his signature issue” and he couldn’t figure out how this happened. Really?!!! I had to turn it off—-my angry voice and rapid fire “WTF’s”— were freaking out my border collie! We (here?) know the whole “political system” is corrupt, greedy, broken and founded on the act of unconscionable genocide and destruction of the biosphere. And yes, Obama’s approval to drill in the Arctic IS consistent with his actions from DAY 1 of his “administration”.

    Still frustrated but not wanting to further traumatize the border collie, I wrote Robert S (pasted below) thinking he would not even post my comment —–but he did and his post you refer to was his response to my comment. I must say, I think RS’s articles are excellent and I usually appreciate the comment section as well (heavily/rigidly moderated as Tom and others here know!). But the comments don’t veer off into bizarro land as they do at times here—– they usually present science based updates on collapse (which, like looking at a car crash, I am somehow drawn to).

    Now . . . what I CAN say here (and not be vaporized, I hope) is that I DON’T think we will solve this predicament/tragedy. Yet, it is somehow satisfying when the roots of our problems are identified. For me that keeps despair at bay (for some odd reason). When, for example, we acknowledge that this 2 party system is dysfunctional at best, omnicidal at worst.

    It is so strange that anyone ever believed Obama would make a significant difference and stand up against Empire. On a psychological level he is worse than Donald Trump or Bush in that he pathologically manipulates the system in a deceptive manner (acting as if he cares) vs. Trump/Bush(s) et al simply (sickeningly) saying things like “drill baby drill” —–no cognitive dissonance there unlike the crazy making that is exemplified when Obama delivers creepy speeches where he feigns concern then turns around and gives the green light for killing massive numbers of people and nonhumans.
    It’s all so nauseatingly sick . . and I haven’t even mentioned Hillary Clinton!

    Enough rambling, there is nothing we can do except palliative care at this point. Although I’m tempted to join Greenpeace and lay down my body in the Arctic and get plowed over by the ice breakers as they make room for drilling.

    My note to RS:
    Robert, I’m wondering about your thoughts on Obama’s final approval to drill in the Arctic. I know you had hope that if we “put his feet to the fire” he would do the right thing regarding climate change. In fact, you felt he was making progress.
    This is not a digression—– your posts are excellent—- yet the fact that Obama approved drilling in the arctic should tell us something about the ROOT of the problems that you so brilliantly describe.
    We can talk about renewables, reducing C02 emissions, until we’re blue in the face (literally at this point, it seems) but until we accept that the underlying political system is broken, pathological and omnicidal —- the situation will continue to deteriorate while we stand on the sidelines watching and/or blogging about planetary collapse. What to do about it . . I don’t know—– but I do feel that if one denies the root of the problem, we will not solve it.

  • If you read Marcus Aurelius, you should go back and read one of his teachers, Epictetus. http://www.gutenberg.org/author/Epictetus
    And before that, read about Epictetus’ teacher Diogenes, the homeless guy who lived in a barrel, carried a lantern during the day looking for honest men, but could only find brigands and scoundrels, the guy told Alexander the Great to move out of his sunlight, and did epic rhetorical battle with Plato. Yes. Same guy who said “The only place to spit in the rich man’s home is in his face.” Yes, I know that school of philosophy well.

  • I heard on Against the Grain from James McGregor that prior to the agricultural devolution, that humans were most decidedly not raiding, plundering and warring each other to genocidal death wholesale according to their so called, or perhaps longed for genetic predisposition which has been hypothesized elsewhere.

    I checked out Sea level rise co-related to CO2 with methane added bringing measure up to equivalent of 630-650 ppm CO2. It looks something like 17 meters or 50 feet. That would put New York, Washington, and London – out of business. What’s not to love about that? Tokyo, Shanghai, Tianjin, Hangzhou, Bangkok, San Francisco too. But Holland and Bangladesh I will miss. On certain levels, the modest sparklets of schadenfreude this engenders by watching the Dulles’ curse trying to swim, should make up for at least part of the catastrophe.

  • Etyerepetyere Says:
    August 19th, 2015 at 7:37 am

    Here we have Dredd again obsessing about sea level rise which is such a “none issue” sea level rise will not impact anyone (except some low lying island folks who are just happy being relocated for free to new zealand ) by the time seal level rises extinction and (or) the end of civilisation is completed thus slr is a NONE ISSUE stop obsessing about it !
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    Eerie Ass,

    You are as full of shit and as bereft of scientific understanding as Inhofe is (You Are Here – 5).

  • kevin moore says:
    “There is no moral answer to any of this on an overpopulated planet which is about to suffer a big reduction in the availability of food and which is in the early stages of abrupt climate change which will render many…”
    From what I’ve read of your comments on this blog, I see the world in much the same way you do.

    A philosopher by the name of Herschel Elliott developed an ethics for a finite world based on Garrett Hardin’s work. Hardin, interestingly, is maligned and ridiculed by two opposing groups: the social justice/climate justice crowd who promote the mantra “overpopulation is a myth” and blame environmental problems and climate change strictly on capitalism; and also by the free-market capitalists and Friedman economists who spout versions of the Julian Simon “there can never be too many people” idiocy.

    In his book Ethics for a Finite World, Elliott’s argument for a new ethics begins with a harsh critique of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. His theory of ethics says that both self-centered and self-sacrificing behaviors lead to the same place– total collapse of our environment. That the first ethical obligation of humanity should be to achieve resilience of the ecosystem, and only after that can ethical attention can be aimed at maintaining the human population at a level that allows for quality of life not just for humans, but for all other species.

    Here is a link to an essay outlining the main points of Elliott’s ethics:
    http://www.cairco.org/issues/moral-code-finite-world

  • kevin moore Says:
    August 18th, 2015 at 11:35 pm
    “Jeff S

    I read the article you linked. Although critical of Dawkins, it adds nothing to our understanding of altruism.

    I watch very little television but did see some today, which was interrupted by a Save the Children begging video.

    After showing us images of malnourished children and children wading in filthy streams, Save the Children suggests to viewers that for as little as $10 a month people in affluent nations can substantially improve the lives of impoverished children.

    This kind of emotion-jerking is commonplace in our society, and the Save the Children campaign taps in to the most basic of human instincts -to care for the next generation.

    Yet saving children in other countries magnifies our predicament, as discussed long ago and at great length by Garret Hardin. Indeed, saving children from early death is one of the worst possible actions any of us can take, since it exacerbates the population overshoot problem, and if those children were to reach adulthood, they would become direct competitors and very likely extreme threats to our own survival and the survival of our progeny.

    There is no moral answer to any of this on an overpopulated planet which is about to suffer a big reduction in the availability of food and which is in the early stages of abrupt climate change which will render many, if not all, countries uninhabitable, and very likely within what would have been the natural lifespan of the children depicted in the begging video.”

    I disagree with you re the Margulis article. Your Save the Children story merely illustrates the present human situation, not at all the human genome. Hardin totally left out of his account of the commons the reality of elite seizure and forcible dispossession which led to capitalism and its rapacious ways. What a huge progressive step that was, eh?!!! Yes, the planet is overpopulated. Thank the capitalist system which Hardin stoutly defends.

    Robert Callaghan Says:
    August 19th, 2015 at 4:14 am
    “I spent my teen years with new-age hippy grandparents in the 1970s in Nova Scotia. I learned a bunch of bullshit about peace, love and spiritualism. I then moved to Toronto and lived on the streets there. That’s where I learned how fucking evil most people are. The fairy floss is just the stuff we use to hide our intentions, from ourselves.”

    Urban streets in a capitalist society, now there’s a perfect example of how humans lived for 99% of our species’ existence, eh? This is too big a piece of crap to call bullshit, or even horseshit.

  • Gerald Spezio

    the massacre at Wounded Knee was an abomination. A once strong and proud peoples, depopulated and slated as a dysfunctional ethnic minority in a bigger nation, these American Indians are subject to the same longing for some social justice, payback and Utopian idealism, in an ASAP manner, via a traditional delivery system, (communal ceremony) as any other wounded and dehumanised ethnic group.

    That a vision-quester came along and got their attention is just as it happened. seems to me the white folk did the killing,(yet again) and they should get the blame, not the guy who said lets get together.
    however, if your description of what he actually said would occur, in the vein of retribution on the white folk, then it should have been obvious he was using shadow stirring techniques to harvest energy from those who responded. very old school preachery that is.

    You think that is really spiritual ?

    What a joke, if you you do.

    Spiritual is here and now, not some ‘two in the bush’ future dream.

    the only other thing to say here is that what is required now if humanity, and all the other life forms are going to have a chance of surviving, is we are going to have to grow out of shadow politics, and fast, and form one humanity. one humanity, does not have a shadow to project.

    ‘REO Speedwagon – Live Every Moment’

    Anyhow, stay positive all, and do whatever we feel is on our own path.

    Cheers.

    🙂

  • Wester,
    Thanks for the info. and link to Epictetus.

  • I agree with Martin in that cats will be ok. They still have killer instincts.

    But most humans in the West aren’t survivalists from what I can tell.

    Someone I talked to about this readily admitting they wouldn’t be able to survive very long without a supermarket nearby.

    Ask this question to someone you care about

  • why is physical courage so commonplace when moral courage is so rare