The Cross of the Moment: A Documentary Film

Jacob Freydont-Attie created the film embedded below, in which I make a few brief appearances. Password for viewing the film is co2. Film’s website is here). The interview with me was recorded about 18 months ago.

The Cross of the Moment from Jacob Freydont-Attie on Vimeo.

McPherson’s latest book is senior-authored and illustrated by Pauline Schneider. Ms. Ladybug and Mr. Honeybee: A Love Story at the End of Time can be ordered from the publisher here and also from Amazon. Trailer is embedded below.

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McPherson’s first book published in 2015 is senior-authored by Carolyn Baker. The Second, Revised edition of Extinction Dialogs: How to Live with Death in Mind is available from the publisher and also from Amazon.

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  • Mark Austin (from the previous discussions)

    ‘An expert at NOAA Colorado (my friend Roland St. Hilaire) is working on the radiative forcing value of methane in terms of C02 equivalent, however, INSTANTANEOUS, data factor is too hard to calculate because nobody can certify the rapid evaporation loss.’

    ????

    Methane does not evaporate and there is not such thing as evaporation loss.

    Methane is a gas which is fairly resistant to oxidation absent the activation energy necessary to break C-H bonds. Oxidation in the atmosphere is most usually caused by collisions with OH ions or OH radicals.

    OH ions and OH radicals are generated when high-energy solar radiation breaks water (HOH) molecules.

    There has previously been much discussion concerning the rate of generation of OH species and the obvious conclusion that a massive ‘burp’ of methane might easily exhaust the supply of OH species and result in in longer persistence of CH4 in the atmosphere. A couple of years ago there was a report of an OH hole (similar to the so-called ozone hole but in a tropical region).

    There really is no great difficulty in determining the instantaneous absorbance-reradiation capacity of methane for anyone with access to the right equipment -a moderately well equipped laboratory. After all, Tyndall managed to make rudimentary determinations in 1859!

    What seems to be missing is the will to do it.

    Of course, it can be argued that methane at relatively low concentrations in the atmosphere would behave differently from methane in a gas tube which is exposed to a range of spectral wavelengths.

    It would be an interesting experiment to put a mixture of 80% N2 and 20% O2 into a tube and add increasing ppm of methane, and measure the absorbance-reradiation over a suitable range of concentrations.

    A duplicate experiment with 80% N2, 20% O2 and increasing concentrations of CO2 would provide a standard to compare with.

    As you appear to be new to this whole topic, I should mention that the ‘official’ method of dealing with CH4 forcing is to treat CH4 as though all of it gets oxidised to CO2 over a period of less than 100 years and to come up with an integrated average comparative value. Yet the methane concentration in the atmosphere is not stable and is actually increasing, which is a clear indication the oxidation processes are not keeping pace with the continuous releases.

    I hope that all makes sense to you and look forward to you resolving the matter, preferably within the next 12 months. After all, as Guy has pointed out, planetary overheating does appear to be being driven by excess methane as much as by excess carbon dioxide, and the methane in the atmosphere may well be the main driver of overheating at this stage.

    For further clarification, when we are talking about abrupt climate change we are thinking in terms of a few decades or even a few years; hence, official CO2 equivalence factors rated over 100 years become irrelevant, and the INTANTANEOUS -the effect of the present concentration on absorbance-reradiation- seems to be a lot more relevant.

    Of course, if anyone can demonstrate a flaw in my arguments I would be more than happy to be proven wrong. I am not particularly keen to see the planet go up in smoke in a couple of decades, even if it did vindicate practically everything I have been saying for 15 years, particularly that there has been an urgent need to reduce (and then eliminate) CO2 emissions because CO2 emissions are responsible for triggering increased CH4 emissions.

  • The cross documentary is mostly a bunch of industrial civilisation folks slinging hopium all over the place.

    “Methane does not evaporate and there is not such thing as evaporation loss.”

    Rather presumptive to think that they are from the Earth. Where they come from, methane is obviously a liquid. If perchance any of them are from the earth, then they are disgorging a very substantial load of male bovine faecal material.

  • Great video.

    We see various viewpoints of those who were interviewed, depending on their background, education, and social interests.

    There was a consensus on some issues.

    My interest was drawn to:

    31:00 The fossil fuel indistry (Oil-Qaeda: The Indictment) stands in the way, powerfully, of our kicking the fossil fuel addiction we need to organize against them because we can’t outspend them because they have more money than any other industry on Earth.

    On the heels of that, Dr. McPherson pointed out that, in other words, they are responsible for 4-5 million deaths NOW being caused by climate change.

  • Humans think too much and ‘science’ is the worst manifestation for the greed of thinking.

    Of course the problem is that CAPITALISM (born by thinking) has to have science on steroids to continue the huge growth curve that is unsustainable.

    Thinking too much, fortunately, is a negative feedback loop that destroys the predator to all other life forms. All other life forms live in harmony. Not us.

    Indigenous people understand this intimately.

    Wish I had been born to a tribe where life is content instead of in a contest to see how much anxiety one can endure.

    Won’t be long now. Need to start a wager on what will be the final spark.

    I’m betting on Nuclear, no, CO2, no, CH4, no economic collapse, no, hatred, no, greed, no, capitalism, no, all of the above, no: THINKING.

    One good result of thinking: Nature Bats Last & Only Love Remains. THANK GOODNESS FOR POETS AND LOVERS OF LIFE, AND FROM HERE ON, ONLY POETS AND L. O. LIFE ARE ALLOWED TO THINK.

  • Step-Hi, I vote yes we are going down soon because of the nonlinear power of the exponential CO2 (heating), it’s sounds the most simple because it’s simple science, We are all just stuck in our liner thinking, we don’t want to go out without a fight. All the other positive feedbacks are just icing on the Venus cake, and this is the last planet (Venus) of no hope and no home and no return! Go Love and go CO2 ! Nukes maybe, everything else, more slow dying, so keep living! Peace to all Thx !

  • Not only in the US….

    watch the Fascist hammer coming down everywhere. We’re almost there

    http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2015/08/13/they-live-we-sleep-a-dictatorship-disguised-as-a-democracy/

  • This is all hypothetical phantasm . These people are in the mistake that there is life I.E. Living things and there are Things which are dead I. E. not alive … not dead, but just existing .. Well thats the biggest mistake one can make and that why there is an endless way to explaining away existence .. BIG Mistake .!! There is nothing else existing except living things even atoms neutrons electrons quarks etc have innate intelligence they have a metabolism they utilize energy they have all it needs to provide base for well , Living things … But they are not alive ??!! You joking ?! Everything is alive . That’s why the universe organizing itself intelligently because it is alive from the smallest particle to the biggest to seemingly inanimate to complex living things . The natural tendency is what we got right now . It is all and everything alive and us Humans are the sensory instruments and the feedback to the the rest of the universe to show itself what it is . I am thinking we are the senses of god enabling itself to experience itself . Life desperately needs us for this purpose . Now it is becoming aware of itself and it is scared and it is trying to scare us in return like this is too much . A big scarecrow becoming afraid of itself .. I am not scared whatever is being thrown at me from this point on . This form of me will end someday the form of the human being will end some day .. Than i rather be in the end to see it . No other time is more interesting than The End of a form . The great End .. Bring it on ! With an ancient Irish toast as it goes
    ” You maybe alive at the end of the world ” So stop whining about it . Take it as a Man

  • What happened to Mark Austin. First is the plain truth that the kinetics of CH4 to CO2 is dependent on the hydroxyl radical concentration. And the folowing phrase <>. Methane is of course a greenhouse gas. I.E. any models that we come up with presently with our paltry methane data is qutie good when limiited to linear growth. You could probably factor in the belch from fracking. However (I believe) that modelling the belch from land permafrost is of quite limited value and modelling a BELCH from the shalow seabed clathrates is just too difficult. For me, the pained silence of Dr. Shakovka is as good as any present model.

    But then, his next post. Tying together “apocalytic” and “governments” is akin to shooting fish in a barrel. Saudi Arabia – Pakistan, Israel, the United States, India, etc., all appear to have a death wish. Apocalyptic beliefs is for me just one subset of suicidal ideation.

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    Me, I tend to believe Ray McGovern and Gwynne Dyer more about Iran’s intents and capabilities. Iran is not using cluster bombs against civilians presently (cough, cough – Saudi Arabia and US), I believe they signed the land mine treaty, and they never deployed deleted Uranium in a weapon system that produces aerosols of Uranium that float suspended via brownian motion.

    Well, in closing, the full moon last night had that Saskatchewan sheen from the fires. I still say, look up while you still can.

  • Dr. Guy McPherson indicates, in the video, that 4-5 million a year die because of climate change.

    @31:00 in the video Bill McKibben indicates that the oil industry is the perpetrator, and that it is resisting anything we try to do about our and their extinction.

    Are you an authoritarian leader, authoritarian follower, or Stockholm Syndrome sufferer who also wants nothing done about it (“shame and guilt are illusions”)?

    Or, are you a citizen who wants Oil-Qaeda brought to justice (“a fundamental of democracy is accountability”)?

    (The Authoritarianism of Climate Change).

  • Pretty good video.

    I got to get me some of that hydrogen sulfide.

    Only answer is just chose to live a different way, till you can’t.

    Not an easy exit though I admit.

    Things are changing, should be an easier choice soon.

    Just sayin.

    🙂

  • Some background listening…

    ‘A Different Way of Living’

    http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/krishnamurti-teachings/view-video/a-different-way-of-living.php

    Some will get upset, but that’s ok too.

  • Dredd ! No . I don`t want to bring “Oil-Qaeda …. to justice” especially there is no such thing as some sort of a Oil-Qaeda named conspiracy group this is ridiculous There are oil companies or coal companies, power companies trying to make a living fulfilling a demand were that demand stay unfulfilled at this point there would be mass starvation and chaos .It is like accusing companies making ice cream being a conspiratory klikk to make people fat and unhealthy Dredd you yourself (and also I and everybody else ) is a product of oil kaida you kidding yourself if you you think that you can extract yourself from the responsibility being part of it you are complicit guilty as charged unless you live in a cave and fish with a spear to make a living but than how are you posting these messages ??$$ .. Things are the way they are .There most be some reason for it .. Fossil fuel usage ? Maybe an existential mistake ? if ,just an honest mistake .. at this point “You can`t go back you cant stand still .. If the lightning doesn’t get you the thunder will ” So chill

  • @ Kathy C if you’re still lurking

    From a couple of threads back you informed us:

    “I may exit before collapse – viral cardiomyopathy did a job on my heart and now the Dr. wants to implant a CRT-D so I can get shocked back to life if my heart stops. I think I won’t do it. At times like these knowing the planetary end is not far off makes the diagnosis easier to take. Sudden Cardiac Arrest has that suddenness thing embedded in it which is comforting.”

    Well shit Kathy, I don’t know if I should offer you my condolences or congratulations. How surreal that we now find ourselves at such an unprecedented moment in time where the very fabric of life will be so torn apart, that not only will the living soon envy the dead, but death by natural causes will soon be thought of as nostalgic.

    I have to agree with you, knowing that you may someday soon just drop dead does seem oddly comforting in that it avoids the moral dilemma of having to call it quits.

    So if no one has beaten me to it, let me say a premature death couldn’t befall a more deserving person. May it be swift, painless and timely. May you have long said your goodbyes to this deadened existence. May you not be ‘behind the wheel of a large automobile’ and take out a school bus….but then again, maybe a school bus full of dead children is somehow less tragic than those same children slowly succumbing to starvation and can be seen as an act of divine intervention.

    Anyways, know you made a difference in people’s lives by so candidly transgressing the meaning of life and death and helping people accept such a fate as ours.

    You are in my thoughts as you have been ever since I first came across your tender brutal truth.

    Hope this doesn’t read too much like an obituary.

    @ everyone

    For those who have become aware of NTE solely through Guy’s media works, you will have most likely missed a great deal of early commentary that took place at NBL several years ago, and subsequently will have missed some of best writing this space has probably ever had. One of the early adherents of NTE was a woman named Kathy C, and in my opinion, she still possess one of the greatest minds to have seriously tackled the subject. I would highly recommend for those who have the time, to go back through the archives of NBL, starting with Guy’s essay “We’re Done”, and discover for yourself why Guy feels he now has so little to add.

    Kathy C has been one of the most powerful and forthright writers I have ever come across. In fact, it was her presence here that made me put aside my opinions of blogging and jump into the fray. Her brutal take was a breath of fresh air that truly made me, as well as many others, feel like we had finally discovered a fringe of like minds. And given we had all just come to be aware of a series of terminal climatic feedback loops having most likely been triggered far sooner than anyone had thought possible, her balance of acerbity and compassion couldn’t have been more timely.

    She has been sorely missed.

  • A great batch of comments above. Just about everyone of them. 🙂

    I loved this, Sabine.

    “When all is said and done, the world of They Live is not so different from our own. As one of the characters points out, ‘The poor and the underclass are growing. Racial justice and human rights are nonexistent. They have created a repressive society and we are their unwitting accomplices. Their intention to rule rests with the annihilation of consciousness. We have been lulled into a trance. They have made us indifferent to ourselves, to others. We are focused only on our own gain.’

    http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2015/08/13/they-live-we-sleep-a-dictatorship-disguised-as-a-democracy/#sthash.rN42Tcgo.dpuf

    Etyerepetyere,

    Been too preoccupied to read everything here, and missed much of your earlier posts. But I truly resonate with what you say about the living nature of everything. Thanks!

    Nice one, Shep.

  • @Sabine … I saw that John Carpenter Film way back when. It was a good one for chure. I saw it shortly after undergoing a profound shamanic induced ‘personal transformation’, and I saw the sunglasses as a metaphor for the awakening that had taken place within me, within how I viewed things, which was like a switch that laid bare nearly every falsehood of the American lie once it had become activated. It was like putting on those glasses, literally. The assemblage point shift.

    @shep … you said: “Humans think too much and ‘science’ is the worst manifestation for the greed of thinking.”

    I don’t come across very many people who have had this insight. I read a book awhile back (who cares what it was called, it was some book), and this book spoke in depth about the difference between rational thought (modern mechanistic/materialistic thought, etc) and symbolic thought (ancient aboriginal/intuitive thought etc.)

    The book discussed the emergence of rational thought sometime after the Ancient Egyptian time period, and proposed that it (the rational/scientific/reasoning mind) was an aberration and a form of insanity. The author called our current state ‘the modern mind.’

    “But, but … I need to hoard, or I might run out; its only logical … We need to kill them or else they’ll just kill us; it just makes sense … gosh, this free market system is so dern ‘smart’, it just must be the perfect system … but, but, but … ”

    One of the funniest things I remembered from that book was a line that said the reasoning mind was important for some things, like remembering to wipe your ass in the morning after taking a crap, but beyond that, wasn’t of much use to us, and was detrimental if overindulged.

    Explore the paradox people; everything is not as it appears from the perspective of the dis-eased rational mind. Just let go, love is all you need. :)~

  • This video is the longest, stupidest, pile of bullshit crap that itself should show us how little hope there is. The video is a symptom of our ability to deny realty.

    Take a look at the Sand Wars video to understand how stressful our demands are on the biosphere for everything we take for granted. Just because some talking asshole sits in front of a wall of books, it doesn’t make that person “real”.

    We are heading towards planet Z, and these motherfuckers stole one and a half hours of my time before collapse.

    http://tvo.org/video/documentaries/sand-wars

  • babajingo,

    In your thought provoking August 28th, 2015 at 2:21 pm comment you asked if I agree with Dredd that “the fossil fuel industry carries more responsibility for this catastrophe than the average person”, suggesting “that those of us living in highly developed industrial societies should get more of the blame than, say, poor people living in Bangladesh who also exist in a fossil fuel economy but consume far less”. You also wrote “I would argue that there are DEGREES of blame, and that it’s not all black and white, guilt or not guilty, good vs. evil. It was a relatively small group of people that introduced fossil fuels to our planet and made a killing off of it and continue to do so (literally). You can say ‘nobody puts a gun to your head and forces you to drive a car.’ Yes there’s a choice, but ultimately it’s a choice between one’s survival and one’s complete demise. Hardly a real choice. Look, I’m as spoiled and entitled as anyone else, but I recognize that while my footprint is ten times the size of the average so-called ‘third world’ citizen, it’s also half the size as the average oil tycoon’s.”

    First, as I explained in my earlier comment, no, I do not agree with Dredd that “the fossil fuel industry carries more responsibility for this catastrophe than the average person”. Why not? Because, as I explained, if the average person did not—throughout all of our history—prefer, choose, and often demand high power solutions to our daily life problems, the fossil fuel industry would not exist. I do agree that “those of us living in highly developed industrial societies should get more of the blame than, say, poor people living in Bangladesh who also exist in a fossil fuel economy but consume far less”. And, certainly, I agree that we need to hold all people accountable for their hurtful actions. However, I ask What good does this blame do—especially given that the poor people living in Bangladesh would live at our high-energy level IF THEY HAD THE CHOICE AND OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO, just as the foragers turned into farmers when they could, and just as farmers turned into fossil fuel users when they could. The presence of high energy grains did not produce the demand for the grain any more than the presence of fossil fuels produced the demand for them. Everyday humans’ desires and demands for concentrated energy and power led people to genetically select for the high energy grains as well as to use fossil fuels in power-maximizing ways. So, under the inevitable circumstances, this blame only produces maladaptive shame. Again, you do NOT have to drive a car, buy your food and clothing in a store, or purchase pre-constructed housing. You could walk, grow your own food, make your own clothing, and build your own house. Contrary to your assertion, these DO remain a very REAL choices that you could make (even though, per the fallacy of composition, they no longer remain real choices for the billions of people now living on Earth who have become physically dependent on fossil fuels for their lives). But YOU COULD. Here comes the critical question: What stops you (and me) from doing that? Might I suggest that we strongly prefer doing things in much quicker, easier, high-powered ways—just as most humans have throughout our history as a species, and just as other species do as well? (For a trivial example, my cat waits for me to open the door for him when he knows I’m on the way rather than open it himself, which he usually does.) This points to the fundamental, inevitable, ultimately fatal, energy-related nature of our predicament.

    In my opinion, as Daniel Kahneman emphasizes in his wonderful 2011 book Thinking, Fast and Slow, frame plays an important role in this discussion. I take a broad frame view of these issues. People taking a much shorter-term, narrower frame view will have trouble understanding.

    Some related but different thoughts:

    For the past couple of years I have focused most of my writing NOT on presenting evidence and reasoning in an attempt to try to convince “non-believers” of the extremely high probability of near term human extinction (as well as the extinction of most if not all life on Earth). Instead, I now address most of my writing to those who understand and accept the evidence and reasoning regarding our unfortunate predicament, and how, given our tragic destiny with the near certainty of our unavoidable self-annihilation trap, we might best help ourselves and each other emotionally and socially during our last few years. Why do I not attempt to convince “non-believers”? Because after eight years of teaching high school physics and chemistry, accompanied by a heavy involvement with learning and integrating the results of physics education research into my teaching, I know very well that such a lecturing, instructional approach will have no effect at all on anyone not proactively involved with constructing their knowledge of these issues. People believe what they want to believe about how the world works driven mainly by their emotions. (We have about twice the number of controlling connections from the emotional parts of our brains to the thinking parts as we do in the other direction.)

    Directly related to this, after several decades of a strong focus on Albert Ellis’ Rational Emotive Behavior therapy and cognitive therapy more generally, I have come to understand the power of emotion-focused therapy by comparison. In working with negative beliefs, unlike cognitive and REBT therapists, emotion-focused therapists do the following.

    They do not teach about or dispute negative beliefs (which do often play important roles), do not help people inspect their reasoning or the rational basis of their beliefs, and do not get people to collect evidence of the truth or validity of their beliefs. (The issue does not involve truth or validity, but usefulness.)

    Instead, they DO focus on usefulness and helpfulness of beliefs, do take it for granted that beliefs qualify as maladaptive if they make a person feel bad, do help people experience how a belief makes them feel. (No evidence compels us as much as feeling something!), do help people discover what they tell themselves and how that makes them feel, and do assist people in moving away from negative beliefs and injunctions that hurt them. Doing these things often involves: (1) Identifying the content of a negative belief and say this in the second person to the self. (2) Experience how the belief makes one feel. (3) Reflect on the sources and destructive effects of the beliefs, including how these beliefs influence one’s life. And (4) formulate a resilient, freeing response to the belief so that the person can separate the self from the dictates of these beliefs and identify with their strengths and resources.


    Bud

  • Bud- Don’t you think sometimes a belief makes you feel bad but it’s also the truth? Let’s take an obvious example. According to emotion-focused therapy, tell me if this is how it would go:

    “(1) Identifying the content of a negative belief and say this in the second person to the self.”

    You believe that abrupt climate change is upon us and that we will all be extinct by 2050 at the latest.

    “(2) Experience how the belief makes one feel.”

    This belief makes me sad, depressed, angry and hopeless.

    “(3) Reflect on the sources and destructive effects of the beliefs, including how these beliefs influence one’s life.”

    The source of this belief are years of reading about climate change, taking classes in college about the environment, and watching the data get worse as I age. The destructive effects of these beliefs are that they make me not want to get out of bed. They make me question the point of virtually everything I do and think. They make me sometimes wish a massive virus would just take out every human being on the planet in one fell swoop.

    “(4) formulate a resilient, freeing response to the belief so that the person can separate the self from the dictates of these beliefs and identify with their strengths and resources.”

    Perhaps the climate change deniers are right. Or the Christians are right and Jesus will come settle the score. Or perhaps the news of climate science and extinction is actually good, since I have no retirement plan anyway and the planet will be much better off without us. Might as well live it up now and hasten our demise.

    Thanks for the free therapy!

  • Quote Etyerepetyere:

    There are oil companies or coal companies, power companies trying to make a living fulfilling a demand were that demand stay unfulfilled at this point there would be mass starvation and chaos.

    Wow and HALLELUJAH! Thank you Exxon Mobil, Shell, BP und all the other companies who just try to make a living fullfilling a demand to save humankind from mass starvation, chaos and… extinction(?)!

    @Dredd

    Thanks a lot for http://powertoxins.blogspot.com/2015/08/the-authoritarianism-of-climate-change.html ! Keep up the good work!

  • I agree with Daniel about Kathy C. (above), and would like to add IMHO the best single doomer article ever:

    The irreconcilable acceptance of near-term extinction

    It is NOT too long, I just reread the whole thing again yesterday.

  • .
    Guy, I loved the way you introduced yourself in the video by saying you walked away from your university career in disgust. Why are you the only person in that documentary that intuited the correct solution? Just walk out of the machine, that’s the answer. Capitalism can’t really continue when everyone just doesn’t show up for work.

    This is a tricky concept to get across to the average person because of how their mind has been conditioned to perceive reality after a lifetime of brainwashing, but if you just ‘stop’, you don’t necessarily die you know. Those are just fears that have been conditioned into the mind to think only death awaits us outside of the machine.

    That’s what aboriginal walkabouts and vision quests used to show the mind; that fear is just an illusion. They didn’t provide you with a vision in the form of a ‘groovy idea’, they provided you with a vision in the form of a realization about reality; a realization that’s been hidden from lately you through some very crafty, negative social engineering.

    Congrats Dr. Guy on seeing through the veil and just walking out of the machine. And you didn’t die, did you? Now, getting everyone to follow; eye, there’s the rub.


    Turn off your mind, relax and float down stream
    It is not dying, it is not dying

    Lay down all thoughts, surrender to the void
    It is shining, it is shining

    Yet you may see the meaning of within
    It is being, it is being

    Love is all and love is everyone
    It is knowing, it is knowing

    And ignorance and hate mourn the dead
    It is believing, it is believing

    But listen to the colour of your dreams
    It is not leaving, it is not leaving

    So play the game “Existence” to the end
    Of the beginning, of the beginning
    Of the beginning, of the beginning
    Of the beginning, of the beginning
    Of the beginning, of the beginning

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    .

  • Tom, Wren, thanks for your positive comments. Daniel – What can I say. I hope I somewhat actually resemble your comments.

    Congratulations would be in order for my much more likely NTE if it weren’t that I don’t want to leave my husband to face collapse alone.

    Ben is right about your essay. I think it was the point when a large number of people began to change how they looked at what is coming.

    I don’t want to start blogging again so I will leave it at that. Best to all in the coming times. Kathy

  • Bud

    ‘Because, as I explained, if the average person did not—throughout all of our history—prefer, choose, and often demand high power solutions to our daily life problems, the fossil fuel industry would not exist.’

    I don’t think so.

    If you look at the history of industrialism you will note that it was the factory owners, the investors, the money-lenders and the militarists who drove society towards greater fossil fuel consumption.

    From what I have read there was strong pushback against industrialism from ordinary people who lost their way of life and saw the factories (and the mines that kept the factories supplied) for what they were….dehumanising and exploitive. The Luddites opposed industrialism, and were treated in the way we have come to expect from those who oppose exploitation -murdered or incarcerated.

    The pushback movement was largely crushed by 1820 and the industrialist went on to exploit to ever greater extents, though there have been other pushbacks against the dehumanising and exploitive system through to relatively recent times.

    Factory owners did not install steam-powered machinery so that their employees had to toil less: they installed steam-powered machinery because they could make more buttons, more crockery, more shirts and more shovels, and make bigger profits that allowed them to build bigger mansions for themselves. Ordinary folk were just ‘cannon-fodder; in that process. And that was true right through to the time of the construction of the Hoover Dam; dozens of men died on the cliff faces from falling rocks they had no protection from, and dozens were made seriously ill or died from carbon monoxide poisoning in the tunnelling operations carried out using petroleum-powered machinery but with no proper ventilation. meanwhile, the wives and children suffered baking temperatures in poor housing or no housing at all. Whey did they do it? “Do you want to want to come and work of us or do you want to starve?”

    I am not at all convinced that ordinary people demand consumption; if they did, why was it so necessary for corporations to employ Bernays to overturn the natural tendency of people to be thrifty? If ordinary people demand consumption, why is it so necessary for governments and corporations nowadays to expend so much time and energy promoting consumption?

    I continue to maintain the position that the general populace has been, and continues to be, lied to on a continuous basis by a tiny group of exploiters who benefit in the short term by lying to the masses. And if the general populace were bombarded with anti-consumption messages to the same extent they have been bombarded with consumption messages we would be living in a very different society now.

    I particularly draw your attention to the ‘presidential task force’ of the 1960s, which examined the evidence for environmental collapse as a consequence of CO2 emissions. The scientists made it quite clear there was a very real risk that CO2 emissions would generate ‘severe problems’ in the future, and put forward proposals to tackle the matter. One individual (whose name slips my mind) deleted wording or changed wording of the final report on the basis of ‘What’s good for General Motors is good for America’.

    The ‘average person’ has no say in anything -other than the occasional opportunity to vote for a bought-and-paid for liar and so-called consumer choices- and all decisions about fossil fuel consumption are made by those who have short-term vested interests in fossil fuel extraction and fossil fuel combustion. The ‘average person’ has no idea about anything and is led by the nose in the direction the exploiters and controllers want.

    I see there is a bit of flack concerning posting of videos. Sure, there are people who get one part of the jigsaw and don’t get another. Alex Jones has been notorious for tackling political corruption whilst denying energetic and environmental matters. The whole point about posting information relating to 9/11 or the money system or anything else is that EVERYTHING IS CONNECTED. As long as ‘the average person’ continues to believe that 9/11 occurred because of ‘lack of imagination’, ‘oversights’ and ‘mistakes were made’, and continues to believe the system is benevolent, everything must continue to get (be made) rapidly worse.

  • Kevin Moore – I’m certainly not an expert at all. I have USA security clearance and access to other depts on Energy & climate data. I was just trying to help JIMBOT with his request. Yes, I should have said “Entropy of molecules as the liquid part of methane gas transforms into carbon.” You explain it all much better than my recount of a conversation and bits from the doc Roland sent to me. Your right that for some reason from several sources labs do not to conduct the fairly simple instantaneous calculation.

    Lidia – Thank dios you now know me in person. Yes, I must make sure that people know that the Pentagon feed is not my personal thoughts. Yikes!

    JOE – I’m near enough to retirement that I’m willing to take the risk – against all the rules of empire – to copy and post DOD advisories on occasion when they look really bad. A few people here might want the advance warning on nuclear defcon levels & bio-war in full production. Sorry it is disturbing to some. I love birds and butterflies. The effect of the really bad plans in progress is not nice to hear. I really like Sabine and I’m afraid I offened her long ago. I’m sorry. Then again our horrible military actions, Industrial science THINKING is a big factor impacting earth’s biosphere.

    Dan Utech the chief climate advisor to the White House is stalling on my requisition order of Guy’s air, hotel & auditorium reserved at the science center. The entire team is somewhat afraid of Guy because they all want solutions at the end of his presentation. Die in Peace is the truth. But everyone here is focused on contracts to invent carbon scrubbers, Methane reducers, millions of geo-engineering ideas. Everything is about economy & reserch & carbon tax & finding solutions. The simple common sense solution to stop, relax, naturally reduce….is not the answer they want. Dan, Leslie, Jeff, Obama, everyone is fine with a really dire message from guy — but now it is forbidden to tell people to stop working. Guy’s message could be used to prepare people and possibly reduce riots —- otherwise they all decided that Guy does not offer the solution they want — while I was sent off to the Vermont Yankee nuclear plant decommissioning project. Except for the high defcon level this Sept 28 nobody here really believes the hottest year trend will continue. Nobel prize winner Paul Crutzan has been rewarded a sulfate aresol research contract.

    My enthusiasm for Guy’s work now only = embarrassment. I guess I will communicate with Lidia & ARTLEADS & Old Growth forest in private. However tomorrow (Monday morning) I face much public humiliation at work because I said controversial things against industrial empire. If I am fired I lose 15 years of pension plan 2 months short of my detailed escape plan to South America. Patagonia at 44 degrees south might endure the radiation level for a month longer than Siberia. If I ever post here again it will be a full SNOWDEN style DOD doc on the most updated plan for limited nuclear war spring of 2017.

    I will continue to read this site wherever I go. For the moment my heart is really broken over my dream to have Guy speak here on his own terms. Unfortunately they will not support Guy with out editing his presentation to include solutions that work for another 100 years of technological progress. Only on this beach of doom do we understand that nature will bat last and much radiation will remain.

  • “The destructive effects of these beliefs are that they make me not want to get out of bed. They make me question the point of virtually everything I do and think. ”

    The motivation to work is for the hope of a reward, the fulfilment of expectations. The realised ones are free of hopes and expectations, while acting on rational anticipations, doing what’s right and appropriate even in the bleakest of circumstances.

    “Unfortunately they will not support Guy with out editing his presentation to include solutions that work for another 100 years of technological progress.”

    Hierarchies work in predictable manners, and inviting someone to upset their apple cart is just not their modus operandi.

  • Robin said: “The realised ones are free of hopes and expectations, while acting on rational anticipations, doing what’s right and appropriate even in the bleakest of circumstances.”

    I wish I had thought of that. It’s just so easy to know exactly what’s right and appropriate at every moment, isn’t it? Listen, I’m into the Eastern mysticism stuff, but I find sometimes that the old adage rings true– “Those who know do not speak, and those who speak do not know.” I’m not trying to be an asshole, I just don’t see how it helps me to know that I should be doing what’s right and appropriate. Shouldn’t everyone be doing that all the time? Then again, I’m not realized so maybe it just doesn’t apply to me.

    Mark Austin: I’m somewhat confused about why you’re martyring yourself this close to your pension date. For what? Because “the man” won’t let Guy come speak somewhere at your government job? Then rent out a space on your own somewhere and just invite him privately to do his speech. Seriously, it feels like a lot of drama for nothing. If you really do have a security clearance and you’re not just some online crackpot, prepare to have that security clearance stripped away after your last couple of posts (at the very least). If I were your government boss, I would most definitely fire you right now. It’s obviously part of your plan, though, since you told us we should expect Snowden-style behavior from you in the near future. I just can’t quite figure out why it’s so necessary. I’m not trying to be harsh, I’m just trying to encourage you not to martyr yourself over what amounts to nothing. Also, if you really had Snowden-level information, you wouldn’t be blabbing about it ahead of its release. Snowden didn’t even tell his girlfriend he was going to do it, much less hundreds of randoms on the webs.

  • someone on this blog recently posted notice, for which i’m grateful, of the death of a noted author/activist in the polyamory community, deborah anapol. for those who may be interested, this link provides a few interesting details of her death, the death of a woman who endeavored to live life to the fullest:

    http://www.kamaladevi.com/5472/sexual-healer-deborah-taj-anapol#.VeEiDn154R9

    and, in the ongoing train of thought of how quickly time, and life passes by, i offer this song video:

  • Guy, I just saw your “fading” essay.

    Good luck with living the rest of your life. Even though we drifted to opposite ends of the doomer spectrum, I still admire you for what you documented in “Walking Away”.

  • kevin moore Says:
    August 30th, 2015 at 4:47 pm

    Bud

    ‘Because, as I explained, if the average person did not—throughout all of our history—prefer, choose, and often demand high power solutions to our daily life problems, the fossil fuel industry would not exist.’

    I don’t think so.

    =======================================
    Well said.

    The “proof of the pudding is in the eating” goes an old saying.

    The hypothesis of authoritarianism is bolstered by the comments of authoritarian followers, Stockholm Syndrome sufferers, and regular citizens made on this thread.

    Once we grasp the concept of authoritarianism, we can see that it is a fundamental trance of our culture.

    First comes the authoritarian leader, then comes the follower.

    Where there is no leader, there can be no follower.

    The leaders (“deciders”) do the decidin’ and the followers follow along.

    No leader, no follower.

    The last man standing will be an authoritarian leader.

    Still lonely after all these years.

  • It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest.” – Adam Smith (The Deceit Business – 3)

  • I’ve posted a link to a recent interview. You can listen here.

  • Daniel and Kathy C.

    Daniel, thanks for picking up Kathy’s comment, and I agree with you:

    Kathy, I miss your commenting here too. You are a special person.

    I have a strong and healthy heart – still (I’ll be 67 this September) but I’ve done something I want to tell you here now because Daniel has broughtthis up.

    I few years ago, I saw an interview with an old woman on our local BBC TV. She must have been in her late 70s then. The subject was resuscitation, and she had made up her mind that she wanted to die a natural death, in other words not to be resuscitated, like you Kathy.

    A so-called “living will” was not good enough for her, so she had “Do not resuscitate!” tattooed just under her boobs. Just like that! What a brilliant idea. I then thought about doing the same ever since, it left such a deep impression on me.
    So, three months ago I took the plunge and had it done too. It was quite painful because I have very little fat but possibly a high pain threshold. Because I cannot get over my “German-ness which cannot stand sloppy work”, I took a piece of paper with “do not resuscitate” because “resuscitate” it not the easiest word for people working in tattoo parlours to spell. Having to live with a misspelt word on my body was simply unthinkable for me.
    My husband thought it was very funny and typically German. He still likes to tease me, but, as my father used to say “teasing keeps women young”. I think he was right, it seems to work with me.:)

    So, with a little bit of luck, I might die a natural death too, like all my grandparents and my mother. That’s one of the only hopes I still cling too.

  • “In my Tennessee mountain home
    Life is as peaceful as a baby’s sigh.”

    Dolly Parton wrote it.

    Beautiful lady – I love that she said one time: “It costs a lot of money to look this cheap.”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWNcWVxprDA

    Too bad we have ruined everything!

    BUT, here is the best song to chase the Blues by my old friend (I wish) Larry Sparks:

  • Sabine- I like the vision of your calligraphic tattoo!
    You’re fortunate to live in a place where the “DNR” tattoo is all you need to maintain control of your own life and death. Here in the states, from what I’ve read, the responders and medical staff ignore tattoos and any verbal or written requests, and insist on some official formal document that has been signed and notarized etc.

    Mark- Wow. You’re in a position to write an excellent book on your experiences. Call it a ‘novel’ just to be safe. In the meantime, please be careful, stay away from air travel, nail guns, and cars. Keep us posted if at all possible.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Hastings_(journalist)

  • Wren,

    That’s terrible.
    I mentioned a “living will”. A lot of people here in Europe use those wills, and they don’t have to be notarized. You can download templates from the internet.

    living will form

    all you do is sign it.

    My aunt (in Germany) had one of those and was left to die naturally after a massive stroke, even though one of her daughters didn’t agree.
    One of the reasons I had the tattoo is that, like you, I don’t have any children, and I felt that I should carry the request at all times. A piece of paper would be a bit awkward.
    I would have never thought that medical staff would have the right to ignore our wishes but, come to think of it, could it be that the states are more less secular than Europe? Probably, I keep forgetting how many churches there are in the States and how many active congregations. It is a different world over here. This church thing you have in the states is almost unimaginable for us.
    So, it sounds as if I am lucky to live in Europe and be “free”.

  • Regarding the posted documentary, what was up with those fellows who were pushing the solar energy solution myth? Someone please correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought there wasn’t enough rare earth metals available to make enough solar panels to even make a dent in comparison to the energy derived from fossil fuels?

    What’s up with that? Am I wrong about that? How can these guys sit there and push that idea as a solution? Solutions have to be plausible don’t they? They must be smokin’ some pretty cush hopium to be putting forward ideas like that. For shame. 😉

    I’m at least glad one of those boys shredded the idea of travelling to another planet as a solution though. A lot of people buy into those sorts of ‘amazingness of humans’ thoughts as a reason not to worry about the current crisis. Come on, fifty years of space travel and we can barely get off the front porch, and people actually think were going to get to another planet or solar system as a solution? Give me a flippin break; get a head!

    But seriously, am I wrong about the limitations of solar energy (and wind too) not being viable replacements because of material scarcity, or did I just dream that up? I can’t believe people can sit there and say such things and actually believe themselves.

  • Sunlight and wind are renewable. Solar collectors and wind turbines are not.
    They require fossil fuels for the mining of the requisite minerals and for their manufacturing. Some of those requisite minerals are in very limited supply. ‘Green Illusions’ and ‘Tech-no-fix’ are well worth reading.
    Those human groups who did not cultivate or irrigate the soil (the main cause of the collapse of several past civilisations) and who relied only on sophisticated solar energy collectors which are renewable without energy input from fossil fuels(plant leaves) were on the right track.

  • babajingo,

    August 30th, 2015 at 12:53 pm you made the following excellent, thought provoking point:

    Bud- Don’t you think sometimes a belief makes you feel bad but it’s also the truth? Let’s take an obvious example. According to emotion-focused therapy, tell me if this is how it would go:

    “(1) Identifying the content of a negative belief and say this in the second person to the self.”

    You believe that abrupt climate change is upon us and that we will all be extinct by 2050 at the latest.

    “(2) Experience how the belief makes one feel.”

    This belief makes me sad, depressed, angry and hopeless.

    “(3) Reflect on the sources and destructive effects of the beliefs, including how these beliefs influence one’s life.”

    The source of this belief are years of reading about climate change, taking classes in college about the environment, and watching the data get worse as I age. The destructive effects of these beliefs are that they make me not want to get out of bed. They make me question the point of virtually everything I do and think. They make me sometimes wish a massive virus would just take out every human being on the planet in one fell swoop.

    “(4) Formulate a resilient, freeing response to the belief so that the person can separate the self from the dictates of these beliefs and identify with their strengths and resources.”

    Perhaps the climate change deniers are right. Or the Christians are right and Jesus will come settle the score. Or perhaps the news of climate science and extinction is actually good, since I have no retirement plan anyway and the planet will be much better off without us. Might as well live it up now and hasten our demise.

    Thanks for the free therapy!

    Babajingo, I think that you did great up to step #4, responding pretty much as I did with only trivial differences. Perhaps your response to step #4 qualifies as a resilient, freeing response to the belief(s) for you so that the you can separate yourself from the dictates of these beliefs and identify with your strengths and resources, but your response certainly does not have that effect on me. Perhaps your response helps you to feel better emotionally and will help you to adapt and survive better in your day-to-day life, but I do not think it it would have that effect on me. If you did not find your response to #4 very helpful, as I do not, and you wanted my help to construct a more effective response, I would encourage and help you to construct a different response until you found something that did help. My response, which I HAVE found helpful, looks like this:

    This belief probably holds true in the world and it does neither me nor anyone else any good for me to upset myself about these multiple, unpredictable, irreversible processes.

    Does the Universe have to work as I think it should? Of course not! (Not now anymore than it had to when I got myself depressed regarding homeless people in Seattle many years ago.) Thinking that the world should work as I wish only illustrates my tendency toward childish, narcissistic, God-like grandiosity. Yes, it qualifies as extremely unfortunate–even tragic–that humans exist as such a highly irrational and destructive species (especially when poor contingencies exist between behaviors and ecological consequences). That does not mean that the Universe should work as I think it “should” or “must”!
    I will do what I can, when I can, in how I live my life in order to minimize my ecological impact, to protect myself and others, and to challenge other’s thinking (hopefully skillfully, in ways such that the resulting cognitive dissonance does not trigger their self-justification). As only an infinitely small part of God that knows and understands so little, I can only do my best with the limited knowledge, skills, and power that I have. I will work persistently to live my life in ecologically sustainable ways, fully accepting and loving myself and the mistakes I have made in the past regarding this, while also acknowledging the difficulty in making these changes, especially while living in this insane society, literally out of touch with physical, biological reality.

    “Terrible” and “horrible” exist only as judgments I make, not as characteristics inherent in the world outside of my head. Things most certainy should happen as they are, simply because they are happening in those ways!

    For sure, I would strongly prefer that this not happen, but I remember that I do not exist as God, the world does not revolve around me, and I do not know nearly enough to determine the ultimate “good” or “bad” of anything. I most certainly can “stand it”—at least until I die. Now, I need to get off of my butt, get out there and do what I can to change things for the better, based on the best possible knowledge and my limited degree of influence in the social and physical world that contains me! I will remember: I can only do my best, and that remains good enough.

    Hope regarding our self-annihilation trap only works as hopium. Giving up this hope frees me for other thoughts, emotions and behaviors. On the other hand, hope regarding my interpersonal relationships and my emotional responses to the the unfolding horrors makes very good sense! So I will do my best to learn about and implement attachment theory based relationships and emotion-focused therapy in day-to-day life.
    I will remember that I can only do my best knowing what I know and having the skills and personal power that I have.

    Okay, so I don’t know everything that I would like to know. So what? Welcome to life! I ACCEPT this universal reality!

    I can learn to accept and live with the ambiguity and my massive lack of knowledge and control. I can live the rest of my life asking the question “Does this purchase, choice, or activity have ecological sustainability?” More and more often, over time, I can make my choices, my decisions, based on the principle of maximizing ecological sustainability. I can consider the embedded energy in the products and services that I buy and the energy required in doing the things that I do. I can learn and implement primitive skills, gradually changing my life over time. I CAN live in reasonably joyful, productive, rewarding ways while believing that I and everyone else I know will soon die–just as I have known since I was a child–and I commit to doing exactly that for as long as that remains physically, biologically possible for me.

  • @LWA, you’re not wrong. A Mr. Weber has a site that analyzes much of what you are asking: http://sunweber.blogspot.com/2014/11/prove-this-wrong.html

    I came across him via Kathy C!
    Hat tip to ya’, Kathy.

    —-
    In the US, even a tattoo isn’t enough to keep people from leaving you the hell alone:
    http://www.firelawblog.com/2011/09/17/dnr-tattoos-are-you-kidding-me/

    http://allnurses.com/general-nursing-discussion/just-tattoo-dnr-680032-post6199810.html#post6199810

    “seen it. md who went into surgery (as a patient) and arrested. ripped off covers, saw “do not resuscitate” on her chest, with a signature. team looked at each other, and did as she asked, and she died. surgeon went out to speak to spouse, apologised but said they had no choice but to follow the pt’s wishes. spouse said, “oh, thank god, she was so afraid they’d do it anyway.”

    My surgeon refused to operate on me if I had a DNR. If you are a doctor, they will treat your wishes with respect, though, instead of being patronizing…

    http://news.bme.com/2005/12/21/medical-tattoos/
    emt palafox on April 8, 2008 at 12:03 am said:

    well im a paramedic and the dnr tatto doesnt work due to the fact that we still have to work a person unless we see writen documentation sighned by the patient and his doctor . there for they dont work but the rest of them like diabetes they prety cool actually

    This is hilarious.. Here’s a lawyer:

    “…think of it from a doctor’s point of view. If you come into a hospital and the doctor sees the words “do not resuscitate” tattooed on your chest, does that necessarily mean you do not want CPR? For all the doctor knows it could be the name of your favorite band.”
    http://www.cheryldavid.com/blog/incapacity-planning/dnr-tattoo/

    Riiight.

  • FYI for all those of you who were there or care. The birds are still with us every day. It hasn’t happened since – and we did start closing the blinds a little so that they could see the horizontal lines. We are pretty convinced it was because of the smoke.
    Bon voyage Oliver Sacks – a lovely person.
    There is so much happening around us this summer it is mind-numbing (for those of us fortunate/cursed enough to be online and following debacle after debacle. But, for me, today, most of all:

    https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

    “We’re not in Kansas anymore.”

  • @Woodwose

    Yes, the blinds help, and so does leaving your windows dirty. I live in the same Cowtown as you do, and the waxwings like to get drunk on my cotoneaster berries as well occasionally in the fall. I’ve found it’s not so much that they think they can fly through the window; it’s more that it can sometimes reflect like a mirror an exact image of the sky and tree and yard when the light is just right. They get drunk, and think that is a path between the tree branches out to blue sky. You can see this yourself if you go into the yard and look at an angle at your window; it’s a perfect mirror image of the yard.

    Anyway, when they come in the fall, I just close the blinds and leave the windows dirty. That seems to do the trick.

    Wow, cowtown hey? I thought I was the only person crazy enough to try and ground some light amongst all these oil loving redneck rigpigs. Go figure. 🙂

    Also Woodwose, do you visit here? http://arctic-news.blogspot.ca/ Cheers.

  • @ Little White Ass Says:
    September 1st, 2015 at 2:10 pm

    “… oil loving redneck rigpigs.”

    Niiice! 😉 Such poignant alliteration, I’ll be recalling that one.

    Speaking of recollections, in a town far, far away, long, long ago, I was walking through a park and passed by 3 young Asian women sitting on a bench. I heard one say, “I want my man to have 2 dragons on his chest.” A moment later, the next young woman proclaimed, “I want my man to have 3 dragons on his chest.” Finally, as I was nearly out of ear-shot, the third young woman said, “I want my man to have his draggin’ on the ground!”