eternal damnation (a sinner’s confession)

by the virgin terry

the man responsible for this blog has claimed repeatedly that he would gladly sacrifice his own life if only such an act could save our planet’s ecosphere from the condemnation that industrial civilization is in the process of bestowing upon it. i say ‘claimed’ because i’m a natural skeptic who can’t know for sure what’s in the mind of another being, and because i’m enough of an honest selfish lowlife to admit i’m not sure if i share such a sentiment, regardless of it’s obvious nobility. i’d like to think i share it, but when push comes to shove, i’m just not sure. after all, of what value is a magnificent world to one who doesn’t exist to appreciate it?! or, to put it another way, specifically in the way of a biblical quote i think is attributed to the mythical character of jesus christ: ‘for what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his own soul?’.

those of u familiar with the ways of the one and only ‘true’ church (according to it, of course), the roman catholic church, are familiar with the ‘sacrament’ of confession. supposedly it’s a way of cleansing the ‘soul’ of ‘sin’.

even now i must smh (shake my head) at how ‘the church’ has been so deservedly criticized for the infamous manner in which it has long facilitated and covered up the fact that many members of it’s clergy have abused their positions of ‘authority’ in sexually abusing children, while all along it has arguably been guilty of the much greater ‘sin’ of spiritually terrorizing every single one of it’s members/victims with it’s sick fear and shame based teaching that all humans are born with the stain of something called ‘original sin’, so that even newborns, according to this doctrine, are worthy of divine judgement and eternal damnation. along with this blanket condemnation, piled on top of it, is the teaching that every single little lie one commits, every single ‘impure thought’ (be ashamed of being a sexual animal!), is a ‘sin’ for which one must answer to god for, repent, and endlessly strive towards becoming the sort of ‘perfect’ being that the mythical christ was, and for which god will accept no less. the idea being that while of course one will never attain such ‘perfection’, as long as one believes in the myth and feels genuine ‘repentence’ (shame!) for being a ‘fallen sinner’ for the rest of one’s ‘mortal’ life, one may magnanimously be granted ‘forgiveness’ and thus escape the deserved fate of every ‘filthy’ ‘sinner’: eternal damnation. that bears repeating in all caps i think: ETERNAL DAMNATION!

like the comic george carlin (also raised catholic), upon attaining the adult ability to think and reason for myself, i rejected my catholic indoctrination, intellectually, but that doesn’t mean i got over it. i’ve never gotten over it, and never will, for ‘innocence’ once stolen, is forever lost. if nothing else, it left a profound and indelible impression of the sort of ‘world’ i’d been born into. that being an insane world in which ‘authorities’ promote psychologically crippling fear and shame inducing dogmas, all in the name of ‘truth’ and ‘morality’. all for the ultimate purpose, i now suspect, of turning children into sheeple who may be more easily deceived and manipulated for the rest of their ‘mortal’ lives.

in summary, my confession is this: i feel more resentment for having been taught a pack of psychologically crippling bullshit lies that stole my ‘innocence’, than i do for the fact that our species has collectively, over time, behaved like a disease, like a cancer, an ecological cancer that now threatens/(promises?!) to be responsible for bringing about the greatest mass extinction event in our planet’s history. in other words, i value my own pitiful little existence over that of all ‘creation! i grieve more for the loss of self than i do for the loss of something infinitely greater.

SIGH.

how ironic it is, now that i no longer believe that i will go to hell for my ‘sins’, that i now know that the ‘sins’ of homo sapiens shall bring about the eternal extinction of countless wondrous species. it seems as though eternal damnation of a sort does exist, after all! i can only hope that when i die, the fear and shame of this human experience shall be eternally ended, like a forgotten nightmare, just a bad dream.

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McPherson was interviewed by Cheri Roberts last night. It’s archived here, with the interview beginning about 35 minutes into the hour-long show.

Comments 112

  • @Curious

    On the contrary, I think denial has a big future.

    For instance, where did Hitler get his money?

    Why did Peter Higgs get the Nobel Prize?

    Who murdered J. Edgar Hoover?

    What was the Rosh Hashanah Massacre?

    Where was Obama born?

  • I think denial has a big future.

    In the face of NTE?

  • I share your contempt, Curious. I feel the same and much more strongly about the genocide that occurred right here in the land of the Nations, the one that no one talks about at all, pretty much, because of the unbelievable racism that still exists in this country, the genocide that slaughtered many more people than the Jewish Holocaust, and is one that in numerous ways continues today. And for the record, with all the extremely racist “noble savage fantasy” bullshit that gets tossed around here so easily by clearly clueless individuals, I see shit like Spezio’s from plenty of people here all the fucking time. But it’s about Native Americans, not European white people, so it gets a pass from almost everyone but me and Wester and Shep.

    Whose land is your house on?

  • Well, I know about the terrible slaughter of indiginous people in America, it is a curse, a spell for America and now we can see the outcome of that spell: America is going down just some centuries after they commited the crime. Also, slavery and the opression of black people in America is such a crime, such a shame. And I am aware of the fact that most of the white american population came from Europe. I live in Europe, Germany. On whose land is my house standing on you ask? Well, I don’t own any property, I don’t own any house, I live in an appartement and have to pay rent. I don’t understand that habit to buy land or to steal land. Nobody can buy Mother Earth, it’s just an illusion to own Mother Earth. I heard that one can even buy land on the Moon, muhahaha, that’s just sick. But anyway, Germany stole much land in Africa and who knows where else. Germany isn’t any better than America for shure. I know that America supported the german nazis during the whole world war II, Ford (Antisemite), IBM, Standard Oil etc etc earned much money in Germany during world war II.

    But it’s about Native Americans, not European white people, so it gets a pass from almost everyone but me and Wester and Shep.

    Yeah, I realized that already. Some on NBL even said that the murder of native people never happened or if the native americans had the chance they would have done exactly the same to the white population what have been done to them. It is always the same strategy of cheating and lying and denying. This cheating and lying and denying is one of the main reasons why this planet is in such a bad condition. But soon all those lies, all that denial will face reality and I really like that^^

  • Addition:

    Nobody is a criminal just because he is american or german or jew or eskimo or whatever. The character of a man does not depend on nationality or religion, but on his Karma, his habits, his actions. I am shure that there are many cool people in Amrica too, not only stupid consumers or blind patriots. And, man, America created some real good music. And I do have much respect for the citizens right movement in America that inspired the students revolt here in Germany during the end of the sixties. But then came Nixon.

  • “Yeah, I realized that already. Some on NBL even said that the murder of native people never happened or if the native americans had the chance they would have done exactly the same to the white population what have been done to them.”

    Thank you, Curious. I appreciate your comment here very much. It’s not that they say it never happened, but there is a strong tendency to dismiss the depravity and evil of the genocide by saying that the Native people were no better and would have done the same if they could have, a perspective that is gratuitous psychopathy in action, because one, history does not support that view, and two, I don’t believe those people are sufficiently gifted psychics or prophets to know what would have happened if Europeans hadn’t been so bent on wholesale slaughter of people and animals everywhere they went.

    It is self-serving, hateful, racist entitlement that produces such comments. Have you noticed that a person cannot in the least mention any cultural achievements on the part of Native Americans without the chorus that immediately screams “noble savage fantasies!”? You cannot say that they lived in greater harmony, which they did, without being told you’re delusional? You can’t say that they were sophisticated, even advanced in some areas, without being told you’re intellectually inferior and having romantic delusions.

    I mentioned recently how a poster here once made the statement that Columbus got off the boat and walked into the Holocene. The racism I see on this site is the same racism I see in the general population in the US. And I agree, it is the same with the slavery of the African people. Some historians believe that more than 150 million people died in the slavery and the “trade” of slaves that were transported to the west. Other historians believe that at least 125 million people died in the gold mines alone in South America.

    There is a lot of controversy as to how many people died for two big reasons – 1., no one took time to count the bodies, the slaughter was unstoppable for centuries, and 2., revisionist history that repeatedly downplayed the real extent of the genocide with every passing year.

    Experts routinely revised the population of Native Americans in this country from the earliest historical records available, reducing numbers established by early military and settler records, saying that those people were enhancing their battle prowess, or some other thing, until in the 1950s and 1960s it was completely accepted that were only 1 million Native Americans in the continental US prior to Columbus.

    Now, people accept that there were at least 12 million at a minimum, and other people who believe that 60 million people lived in what is now the contiguous 48 states prior to European arrival.

    What we do know is that at the end of the Indian wars, there were fewer than a quarter million Native Americans left alive. The policy was full extermination.

    They just cannot seem to help themselves, I guess, because you are so correct, and once the Indians were completely “removed,” and the land was stolen, human beings in this culture have gone on to kill everything in the world. What isn’t dead already has been dealt a mortal blow and it’s only a matter of time now.

    I share your revulsion at Holocaust denial. I went head-to-head with someone on this blog over that very issue sometime back, another German who felt his nationalistic pride should not be diminished by the evil of the Holocaust. We have our American versions of that everywhere, “Yes, but it’s still the greatest country on earth,” which should be made illegal to say just on the grounds of being too vapid, but it’s not.

  • Ha, I have to thank you, because you are speaking from my heart:

    … there is a strong tendency to dismiss the depravity and evil of the genocide by saying that the Native people were no better and would have done the same if they could have, a perspective that is gratuitous psychopathy in action, because one, history does not support that view, and two, I don’t believe those people are sufficiently gifted psychics or prophets to know what would have happened if Europeans hadn’t been so bent on wholesale slaughter of people and animals everywhere they went. It is self-serving, hateful, racist entitlement that produces such comments.

    You name it and I am very aware of it. It is a strategy to yell that “Everybody is as evil as I am!”, it is a lie, it is political propaganda, brainwashing. The same in Australia: The native people in Australia have been slaughtered and opressed for hundreds of years. It is all around the world. It is the roman-christian culture of the occident that spreads western propaganda, exploitation and consumerism all around the planet like a virus while saying “It’s ok, cause everybody is a liar, a cheater, a thief and murderer!”

    Have you noticed that a person cannot in the least mention any cultural achievements on the part of Native Americans without the chorus that immediately screams “noble savage fantasies!”? You cannot say that they lived in greater harmony, which they did, without being told you’re delusional? You can’t say that they were sophisticated, even advanced in some areas, without being told you’re intellectually inferior and having romantic delusions.

    Yes, I noticed that for shure. I had the same experience over and over again here in Germany. They are trying to tell me that everybody is as ignorant, greedy and stupid as anybody else- this way they are trying to excuse their very own stupidity and ignorance, bwahaha. They just try to destroy every noble thought, every freedom, every dignity, every truth, because they can’t stand the fact that there are people who are noble, free, who got dignity and authenticity and live in harmony with nature.

    It is an ongoing war of the rich against the poor, a war against Nature, against freedom, against humanity, against truth and dignity. This war will soon be over.

    September Day

    This is the autumn’s sorrow-sweetened clearness,
    that liberates as well as it harangues;
    when crystal truth its spirit o’er the nearness
    of woods and mountains as a garment hangs.
    This is the autumn’s sorrow-sweetened clearness…

    – Christian Morgenstern

  • Terry, I don’t have any issues with your message, but could you please format your text properly and type in proper English? It’s hard to take it seriously when it looks like a teenager wrote it on their cell phone.

  • .
    @oldgrowthforest and @Curious

    I just wanted to say that I’m enjoying your discussion, thanks for having it.

    I too am suspect of anyone who doesn’t (can’t, won’t) accept that there was a purposeful genocide committed against the aboriginal peoples of North America; a genocide that was NOT provoked by any truth that aboriginals were terrifying barbarians who were going to slaughter us if we didn’t proactively slaughter them first. It wasn’t a war; it was an invasion, a takeover, and genocide.

    In fact, the genocide continues to this day in the form of both political/legal policy and racial hatred, among other things. The racial hatred was (and still is) intentionally crafted and disseminated by empire through the use of propaganda. Some of this propaganda is aimed at removing any notion that the ‘victim’ had any good qualities at all, and by inserting the notion that the ‘victim’ was indeed a barbaric heathen, and certainly not in possession of the same refined intellectual capabilities as did the falsely justified ‘righteous invaders’.

    Ya, It can be annoying to see how few people see through this sort of propaganda.

    Curious, I like how you stretched the idea to address the logical fallacy I see here a lot, the one that assuages uncomfortable feelings about our extinction by asserting that every human, everywhere, has been, at all times (or at least eventually would quickly revert back into being), a barbaric, lying, cheating, hustling, raping, thief. It’s a nice way to calm the cog-dis by thinking there was no way to avoid this, but there in fact is a possibly that there was a chance to avoid destroying the planet.

    The argument goes that, as you put it:

    ”They are trying to tell me that everybody is as ignorant, greedy and stupid as anybody else- this way they are trying to excuse their very own stupidity and ignorance, [and greed].”

    To me, this matches the tactic used to denigrate the Native Americans and justify the genocide. “We’re all bad assess, life is brutal, and it was them or us.” Bullshit!

    Allow me to quote from Dredd’s blog, where he was showing some of the social engineering knowledge being passed around among empire ‘elites’ in the middle of the last century about how to brainwash mass populations against fabricated ‘enemies.’

    “The enemy aggressor is always pursuing a course of larceny, murder, rapine and barbarism. We are always moving forward with high mission, a destiny imposed by the Deity to regenerate our victims, while incidentally capturing their markets; to civilize savage and senile and paranoid peoples</b?, while blundering accidentally into their oil wells or metal mines.”

    To be clear, this isn’t an example of what the people in power think, it’s just the manipulative lie that they have perfected pushing out to the masses; that we are the righteous, and they are the barbarians … us and them. It’s simple character defamation of your enemy. We can see it working in the attitudes people have about Native Americans (or, insert Australian aboriginals or wherever it’s been used to justify war and genocide …ie: terrorists, palestinians?)

    This strategy of defaming the character and reputation and intellectual qualifications of the enemy, and then entering this smear into recorded history as ‘truth’, has long been a tactic of the bully. They even used this tactic to denigrate, isolate, and then try to exterminate all the witches (non conformists to empire) during the Middle Ages, and it’s been used as a tactic before that even.

    It’s unfortunate to see people not thinking their way through this sort of fallacy and propaganda regarding aboriginals. I suppose it’s hard to reconcile images of drunken Indians downtown with the idea that it was genocide that brought them to that state, and not a reflection of who they were when old ‘Columbo’ first began exterminating them. I won’t get into arguing all the cool shit they knew about and understood, simply because it would be too lengthy here; where would I begin?

    Maybe I would start with shamanism (the observation of the self and ones own psychology, with an aim toward mental emancipation and clarity) vs. religiosity (magical thinking as a subversion of the mental functioning of the masses used with full knowledge by empire for control)? There are those here who apparently think these are one and the same thing, the aboriginal shaman and civilization’s priest. That’s why I stayed out of these past few threads that have correctly denigrated western organized religions, but then threw the word ‘shaman’ in there as a fallacious straw man trying to imply that these two subjects are one and the same, as if when you debunk one then you’ve debunked the other; the shaman and the priest.

    However, a close study of the subject of shamanic wisdom, one frankly unattainable from just a cursory perspective, will expose shamanism as the very study of how the mind is susceptible to delusions, with an attempt to gain some control over these delusions. That is in fact quite the opposite from empires many organized religions, which are all geared toward filling people’s heads WITH delusions, and is not about IDENTIFYING and REMOVING THEM.

    I brought this last bit up only because it had the same ring to it as people saying ‘we’re all the same way anyway’, and ‘it’s just in our DNA’, and that ‘we all do the same things to each other’, ‘we all screw each other over.’ They say this as if our current predicament was all inevitable, and just the result of behavior inherent to all of humankind. I don’t think that’s true. You can have a game of cards, quite a nice one in fact, using just the rules of the game and chance. However, throw in one cheater, and the whole game is ruined for everyone. But, without that cheater, you can actually have quite a pleasurable game. Not all of us have a compulsion to cheat or lie, even in adversity. We are not all the same deep down inside.

    Anyway, I probably won’t bring up shamanism any more on this site, even though it was fundamental to my being able to see through the mind games of empire over the course of my life, and could be useful to people as a tool, in addition to the scientific method. It seems though, reading through the last few threads here, to be a confusing and contentious subject here to some. Misunderstood, I’d say. I’m sort of glad I was out playing some gigs last week, and in a studio session, and missed those discussions. I love the scientific method as much as anyone; it’s a really useful tool. But, just because it’s never been ‘convenient’ for empire to map such a thing using the scientific method, don’t think that means there aren’t other people walking this earth in an entirely different state of consciousness than others; consciousness has been evolving over the millennia too. However, enough said about that. We’ll all still go extinct, but some of us will just approach it with a different sort of flair, that’s all. No biggie.

    Anyway, shaman’s … be gone! ;)

    Thanks, again, for your posts oldgrowthforest and curious. I liked it.

    P.S. Oh, and LOL, I don’t sleep under a bridge, and I had so many achievements by the time I was thirty that these ‘achievements’ began to feel superficial and hollow after collecting so many. That’s when empire really turned into a naked emperor for me, after years of cooking the idea. Now I live quite nicely … on sunshine, actually. And, of course I’ll keep posting, but I’ll keep it to twice per thread. Sorry about that, I thought it was twice per day. Oops!

    And, love everybody. That’s what always remains, isn’t it … love? Maybe?

    (Release the hounds…) ;)

  • What almost causes despair is how hard it is to break through the barrier of complacency and denial. One well regarded blogger nearby recently acclaimed that there is no institutional racism. It was just that people had different strengths. Blacks, for instance, were physically strong and could do well with physical work. I responded that this was a justification for slavery. But they smugly bit their tongue, since they probably had a very sound theory about the unimportance of such matters. It’s all about energy and whatever the fuck. Nobody else spoke up. Oh no, somebody stated as how lucky blacks were to have been brought here instead of having to suffer in Africa. I was around in the 50s, and it’s hard to agree that racism is any less implanted in our society now than then. I doubt that it is any less. Most white people can’t understand how they have been used and manipulated to sit tight, heavy and comfortable on the backs of others less favored by the system. It’s tragic, cruel and oppressive beyond description!

  • It occurred to me that a fundamental problem with some (most?) religions as relates to the environment, is this business of there being a soul and an afterlife. I guess if one believes that, it doesn’t matter if Earth gets trashed because, you know, you can float around in the ether as a disembodied consciousness from now to eternity.

    When Guy McPherson says he would give up his life in a second to end industrial civilization, you know he isn’t expecting an eternal reward. He’s motivated strictly out of love, of the selfless variety.

  • .
    @cuntagious: You are exactly right.

    That’s one of the goals of any of empires organized religions; to divorce the mind from any connection to nature, and even to life itself. It creates a sheeple who won’t complain about anything when it’s exploited or destroyed, even if that thing is them (it doesn’t matter, right? … goin’ to heaven!). The people who thought these religions up knew a thing or two about social engineering and mind control. The neural pathways they massage into people have very intentional purposes indeed; to cultivate certain behaviors.

    Another angle to empires religions is that they caught all the flies too; even those who saw through the hypocrisy and duplicity of the teachings. People who were ‘disillusioned’ were then usually left viewing any other culture’s religions as suspect as well after that, and just accepted the plain- Jane and jaded view of empire that was exposed beneath the veil of the religion. Either way, empire still had them bound, at least usually. Anyone who did figure it out completely was probably then just killed. Or, if you figured it out and told a lot of people about it before they got to you, then they might kill you on a cross and make up a whole, big story about you saying, “But he was special, not human, and you can’t be like him, so don’t even try. Now, get back to work!”

    I think it’s called ‘kickin’ a rebel’s ass a la mode.’ But, I guess that depends on how popular you were as a rebel, and how pissed they were at you.

    I’ve often thought that it was actually quite on purpose to make religions so ludicrous that once someone surfaced out of them, that they would be so disgusted as to never, ever go near any thing even similar to another religion again. That way, there was no way you’d ever go listen to someone different after that, like someone who might get you talking to a bird, or a tree. You might talk to a tree that empire wants to exploit someday, and then there’d be problems.

    [sarcasm]
    They certainly didn’t want people connecting back to nature like those filthy pagan witches. Pardon the pun, but, ‘god forbid’ you might go talk to an aboriginal shaman either; you might learn a thing or two about empire and its stranglehold on you through its psychological weaponry (psychological weapons that go far beyond just religion.) And that wouldn’t do at all.
    [/sarcasm]

    Damn that empire. They sure are sneaky fuckers. They cover all their angles, don’t they?