The Way Out of Weippe

Way back on 27 October 2008, more than seven years ago, when I was respected by some and I was busily, self-importantly holding down a “respectable” job, I penned the essay posted below. I’ve kept the title, added a brief introduction, and embedded a song.

Far too late in an unenlightened life, I realized there is no way out. Not out of Weippe. Not out of anywhere. The only way out is in. I doubt most folks in Weippe ever achieve that realization. Ditto for the human race. It’s difficult to focus on personal philosophy when you’re trying to pay the bills. We’re collectively committed to maintaining the system that allows us to pay the bills to such an extent we’ll snuff out every non-human species before we abandon our own sense of exceptionalism. Such is the arrogance of humanism.

The age of economic contraction reached Weippe early. My classmates who were willing and able to move when the old-growth timber was harvested from the area departed for Alaska and the west side of the Cascades in the 1980s. There’s nowhere left for them to go. Except inside, as always.

Or perhaps, to put a more atheistic spin on the situation, we can turn to Romanian philosopher and essayist E.M. Cioran in his 1976 book, The Trouble with being Born: “The certitude that there is no salvation is a form of salvation, in fact is salvation. Starting from here, one might organise our own life as well as construct a philosophy of history: the insoluble as solution, as the only way out.”

Where will you spend your final days, weeks, months? And with whom, doing what? It’s later than most of us can imagine.

People dread the story that begins, “Back when I was a kid.” And with good reason.

You’ve been warned.

I grew up in a backwoods burg of a few hundred people. Known now as the first place the Corps of Discovery met the Nez Perce Indians, Weippe, Idaho was a timber town, back when timber was king. My childhood friends had fathers who worked in the woods, felling and bucking the trees that shot down the flumes into the nearby Clearwater River. I remember when the last log drive in the continental United States was shepherded down the river by hardy loggers with caulk boots and black, stagged-off jeans held up by red suspenders.

That was 1971. Before the first oil crisis. Before the Iran hostage crisis. Before broad knowledge of many planetary crises. Before globalization ruled our lives. Simpler times, for sure. Just about everybody in Weippe was an FDR Democrat, dedicated to strong workers’ rights and a decent social safety net.

Not all the good old days were good, of course.

Just a year before the last log drive, when I was 10 years old, I was walking the three blocks to school when I had an eerie feeling (or perhaps heard a noise, subconsciously). As I walked, I looked over my shoulder to see one of the town bullies pointing a rifle out his bedroom window, aimed at the base of my neck. If memory serves, he was 13 at the time. I kept walking, knowing enough to hide my fear. I thought so little of the incident I didn’t tell my parents for a couple decades. It just never came up.

Such were the consequences of being a bit weird in a redneck town in the early 1970s. Far worse things happened to really “odd” people, including hippies, Jews, and people of color. And there were no gays or lesbians, at least not in Weippe, in full view.

What made me odd? Mostly, I suppose, I was odd because I was the principal’s kid. As a result, I was one of the few youngsters in town who was often reminded that education might serve me better than a Hobbesian life in the woods. Mom and dad were both educators, so I read voraciously. Real trouble was hard to find — the meth labs hadn’t moved in, yet, and the country’s cultural revolution never actually arrived in Weippe — so I played outside and, when it rained or snowed, I read books. It rained and snowed a lot.

After a few visits to the town library, I clearly remember believing I would read all the books. And not merely all the books in the tiny library, but all the books. This fantasy died when I visited the stacks at the University of Idaho library. The bittersweet memories return every time I catch the musty whiff of old texts.

I graduated from crappy state universities and I work at one that’s the worst of the lot. And yet, despite poor educational institutions and serious swimming in culture’s main stream, I saw the world.

How disappointing.

Actually, the world is spectacular. It’s the humans in the world I find disappointing, disturbing, and — to quote Nietzsche — all too human. Weippe is an excellent example. Overnight, all those FDR Democrats became Reagan Republicans, dedicated to growth for the sake of growth. They’ve traded in tomorrow for today by adopting the ideology of neoconservatism (and the cancer cell). And they, along with the rest of Americans, continue to memorialize the world as we destroy it.

But seeing the world, and experiencing its wonders (and its books), led to learning. And that has made me even more odd, in the eyes of most people, than when I was an odd 10-year-old. Now I’m not merely odd — I’m downright wacky, sheer terror to neocons everywhere.

A little education goes a long way. Education was my ticket out of Weippe. But I should have stopped at knowing a little about forestry instead of a little about humans, ecology, economics, and limits to growth. I’d be a happy neoconservative, rather than an informed — and haunted — liberal. I wouldn’t know our culture is violent, diseased, broken, irredeemable.

Ignorance is bliss. I need to get me some.

Comments 74

  • “It’s the people who are disappointing”…
    Ain’t that the truth.
    All over the internet now, I read comments from people doing what I’m doing; withdrawing, turning off, tuning out.
    The silence seems more precious by the day.
    31mls of gentle soaking rain, followed by a still sunny day.
    Damn it’s nice to get exactly what you want sometimes!

  • Bill Nye had a show running on Public TV yesterday He was wide eyed talking and showing and promoting some bread-loaf size satellite propelled by a space sail he was declaring he was changing the world with that and exploring the universe . I am not sure i can take him seriously

  • .
    Yes, really.
    Just sittin’ on this runaway train, staring out the window, with a cat on my lap.

  • Education provided the ticket to leaving my home town.

    Long term, education resulted in not much good and rather a lot of bad.

    However, a life of self-education has confirmed my belief I was born at the wrong time.

    Essentially a hunter-gatherers site until the Romans arrived, and followed by centuries of self-sufficient community, Southampton went fully insane when fossil-fuel-fed consumerism took over.

    Over the years I’ve tried many things in many locations.

    I know I got here too late.

    The best times -50s,60s,70s- are well and truly over, and the ‘plan’ is to make everything worse as quickly as possible.

    Pity the children.

  • Good essay, Guy. Amen to the state of things these days. I’m so glad I was born when I was (1967). The changes I see day to day in the world (and society) truly terrify me at times. I certainly would not want to be a child, let alone a 20 year old university student these days. Between an unsustainable, continuous growth economy (an impossibility), soaring global population, decreasing global natural resources, and nonlinear, destabilizing climate systems… i really don’t see any way out of these crises for any of us. Like Kevin Moore stated above, “pity the children.”

  • ” That was 1971. Before the first oil crisis. Before the Iran hostage crisis. Before broad knowledge of many planetary crises. Before globalization ruled our lives. Simpler times, for sure. Just about everybody in Weippe was an FDR Democrat, dedicated to strong workers’ rights and a decent social safety net.

    Not all the good old days were good, of course. ”

  • i hear you, Guy.

    We’ve been going in the wrong direction (as if there’s a “right” one on an overpopulated, environmentally destroyed planet), with the completely wrong-headed world view (see B9K9) of “every man for himself” while tossing compassion out for competition and “he with the most toys/stuff/$ wins” for my entire life. And you’re indoctrinated to “play” along – “get a good job,” “grab for the gusto” and “be all you can be.”

    Too late, i learned why we aren’t supposed to question what we’re doing and dove into philosophy, math and science. Well, um, we’re killing ourselves, plain and simple – none of what we’re doing as a vaunted civilization makes any kind of sense. Nobody seems to notice, no one seems to care (to quote Carlin) – just keep going and don’t look (around, or especially IN). Everyone wants to be distracted and entertained, “enjoy” themselves while the surroundings degrade and the suffering increases steadily.

    You’ve been a true voice in the wilderness for me and many of us who come here to commiserate, and i consider you to be the Snowden of the Environment.

  • Acting without expectations is one milepost on the road to acting without a sense of agency. When one realises It, then

    “One who is a knower of the truth, although he is engaged in seeing, hearing, touching, smelling, eating, moving, sleeping, breathing, talking, evacuating, accepting objects and blinking the eyes, realizes that all his sense-functions are interacting with the respective sense-objects. Therefore, he thinks, “I am not doing anything.”” -B.G. 5: 8-9

    In effect, the body-mind complex is fully recognised to be an automaton in the wider scheme, and one no longer identifies with it: the sense of “I” is recognised to be a mirage, even though that mirage is still perceived. The fish realises that it is wet.

    That state cannot be achieved in a single bound: hence “right action”, one among the eightfold noble path in Buddhism, or the way of action Karma Yoga

  • Robin said, “Centrifugal force from planetary rotation causes the Earth to bulge outward at the equator. The mass displaced outwards is compensated for by inward displacement at the poles. it is helpful to keep an eye and an ear open in class in high school.”

    So, what’s to prevent your centrifugal force from continuing to deform the planet? CF is a positive feedback loop and grows stronger with expanding orbit. Bada Bing! The equator is not expanding, is it?

    What we have here is charge particles entering at the poles and exiting at the equator, that is photons entering at the North Pole, anti-photons entering at the South Pole, and a charge field exiting at the equator.

    These photons have mass and mechanically flatten the poles, creating a bulge at the equator.

    Photons are pushing down on you at the poles, and pushing out on you at the equator. Hence, we weigh more at the poles and less at the equator.

  • @Kevin Moore, Taranaki was also the scene of the most hideous land wars against the Maori. The Maori there were pacifist and the good old empire destroyed all their crops and set fire to their houses. Enslaved the people and sent them to where I live now to build the rock wall along the Otago Peninsula harbour edge. It is still the same wall right out front of my house. Apart from that I get your point having grown up in the country in NZ and took pet lambs to those calf and lamb shows as a kid.

    You are so right Guy.*

  • China to end one-child policy and allow two (BBC).

    No need to editorialize on this on NBL, of course, except to say that on pretty much any other message board, this would be considered a good thing.

  • @Phil Morrison

    Check the Wiki entry for centrifugal force and note the term “centripetal force”.

    The mythic centrifugal force (that would let you fly off the face of the Earth if it were not effectively balanced by the centripetal force provided by gravity) is conveniently offset by centripetal force.

    Dang…you almost had me for a femtosecond there…but that brings to mind a question…how much helium would you have to inflate a sociopath with to counteract the centripetal force of gravity??


    Another science question…do you have any links to the places that informed your assertion that photons enter via the poles and exit via the equator?
    I’m not sure I’d believe that even neutrinos could arrange their flight paths so precisely, much less the comparatively humongous electrons…but I don’t keep up with every new breakthrough…who’s got the time these days? Help a fellow doomer out here, woodja?


    Photons are pushing down on you at the poles, and pushing out on you at the equator.

    So, in addition to Syrian refugees, we’ll soon be dealing with Native Northerners fleeing from solar oppression foisted upon them by the new Axis of Evil?
    And the pushing out might explain why equatorial areas are favored for spaceport construction ? Oh, wait…that’s just because of gravity…

    Dis one’s for all’a youse photons.

    Diminished gravity at the equator…where the concentration of The Undead is highest. Causality or mere correlation?

  • @EtyerePetyere

    Not to worry … those permafrost frozen viruses will have a near term extinction of their own, once they contact silver.

  • @RE

    The following quote may help normalize your IQ Study:

    “The battle of the sexes is back. According to a study set for release in The British Journal of Psychology this fall, men’s IQs exceed women’s by an average of five points. The disparity is more pronounced at higher levels, with three men for every woman scoring above 130 and more than five men per woman above 145 IQ.”

    Brit J of Psychology Fall 2005

  • Kate

    Yes, the original inhabitants were conned and abused by the empire.

    History suggests the Taranaki Maori were not pacifists. Hawera, previously named Te Hawera, meant the place of burning, where a settlement was burned to the ground following a ‘dispute’ between local Maori. And Te Henui was so-named as ‘the big mistake’, after locals mistakenly did battle with allies who arrived at nightfall for the battle the following day.

    Maybe after losing many warriors and having been repeatedly betrayed the Taranaki Maori decided to try a different tack. Parihaka and all that.

    I am no expert on such matters.

    And then settlers were conned and abused by the empire.

  • New article from Norman Pagett, one of the Authors of The End of More now UP on the Diner Blog.



    Rough days coming ahead.  Clear heads needed for this journey, wherever it leads.


    Also, the Collapse Personality Profile Survey is still Open.  First Count next Monday.



  • “@RE

    The following quote may help normalize your IQ Study:-PM”


    The IQ part of this survey is not very important, just figured I would add that in for more data. It’s mainly a personality survey, not intelligence. Also a demographic snapshot.

    So far, the results have been very internally consistent, and are quite revealing.

    Far as the IQ test goes, I have anecdotal reports that this test was pretty accurate for the people who took it, matching more lengthy IQ tests they had taken earlier in their lives within 5 points or so. My guess for this one is margin of error is maybe 10 points. It’s may be skewed 5 points to the upside.


  • My very first essay went like this…
    See Spot run.
    Run Spot run.
    See Jane run.
    Run Jane run.
    Not much different than the many that followed.
    Although I can’t remember what all the running was about.

    Tired of waiting for collapse?

    How to Serve Humans

    The upcoming climate talks will result in promises and loud noises of success. Naturally, the promises won’t be kept. Never mind, that they won’t be enough in the first place.

    50% of birds species face extinction in 50 years.
    69% of flower species face extinction in 50 years.
    Assuming nothing hastens that process.

    How Fast Will Collapse Be? from collapse

  • What Tom said.

    There is some very sloppy work done by professionals out there (Weekend Rebel Science Excursion – 51).

  • BTW,

    Two of the scientists I criticize in the post I linked to above are still at the joint Guy bailed out of.

    “Department of Geosciences, University of Arizona, Tucson, Arizona 85721, USA; Paul B. Goddard & Jianjun Yin”

  • nobody on this planet knows what is going to happen very suddenly when all the methane that is NOW “degazing” into the atmosphere reaches a certain saturation level.

    milendia, with all the “I am not a scientist” humility says, let go of your attachments because the ground under our feet is disintegrating exponentially fast.


    also inviting you to visit my friend gail last post with comparative pictures of views in 2010 and 2015

  • If you could somehow speak with a person living say 5000 years ago, or any indigenous person of any time living an isolated pre-industrial lifestyle, and told them about a society ( with billions of members, which they might struggle to imagine ) that uses trees to wipe their asses and hands, I wonder what their thoughts would be?

    On first visiting S. East Asia, N Americans are sometimes puzzled or put off by the spray nozzle hoses hanging from the walls beside the toilets, or lack of toilet paper. Since the water is already warm, this is a sensible arrangement. Hand drying works well through evaporation there.

  • ‘Way out of Weippe’ is a wonderful little essay ! The section describing how you sized up the library is very good.

    (I disagree w/ some on here ,I guess, that the 50’s , 60’s were somehow better times overall, etc.
    As a kid then , I only knew enough to be very alarmed sometimes , but didn’t have what it takes to pin down more of what was going on.
    Looking back ,it sure looks like a lot of redundant bracing was being maniacally installed on the foundations of the juggernaut system we are trapped by now.
    Come to think of it, though, at least there WAS a library in my small town back then!
    I now live in Detroit … where there’s a main flagship Library left open some days on severely restricted hours w/ a demoralized skeleton crew of librarians along w/ a dozen or more completely defunct , devastated closed libraries all over the former city, any one of which dwarfed the library that I once sought magical refuge in , back when I gamely tried to read ’em all. )

  • Regarding my previous post, I wonder if any of you ever experienced the workings of an operating pulp mill? If you have, it’s really not difficult to imagine the end result as forecast by Limits to Growth and all the many Cassandras there have been.

    Water use and chemical discharge ( into the watercourses or ocean ), power consumption, who could ever think that it was anything but pure destruction. Not to mention the trees.

  • a Hobbesian life suited me just fine…so I became self educated…doesn’t help much with assimilation into the hive though…

  • …it is pretty cool we’ve sent that cassini probe through the geo thermal vents on enchilada, one of saturns moons. to bad we had to destroy this planet to get there…

  • …maybe they’ll even find some little fish’s in it and we can all go on a fishin’ field trip!

  • This has probably been posted before but a re-post might not be a bad thing..

    “A friend may well be reckoned the masterpiece of nature.” Emerson

  • I can’t comment about what the U of Idaho was like when you were an undergrad in 1982. You describe the U. of Idaho as “crappy.”

    W/O condoning some of the academic deadwood that was surely there, especially administration hacks; I can say that the U. of Florida in 1959 was an Island of genuine grass roots intellectualism, especially for poor working class kids.

    A world famous geneticist taught intro biology & evolution to me & many fortunate other undergrads because he wanted to continue teaching young people.

    The registration fee for a full academic load in 1959 was a mere 90 bucks.

    I think of my days there as social & intellectual salvation from a dumb head life. I learned to love learning.

  • Looks like we’ve taken yet another step closer to the abyss; the loss of permanent snowfields in the Beartooth Mountains of Wyoming and southern Montana.

  • “We’re collectively committed to maintaining the system that allows us to pay the bills to such an extent we’ll snuff out every non-human species before we abandon our own sense of exceptionalism. Such is the arrogance of humanism.”

    Guy’s that’s a fine summation of the of the diabolical nature of industrialized civilization. And a great example of the banality of evil.

  • just for fun, I’m going to set my clocks back a night early. Probably a mistake.

  • Cuntagious. In general, ditto to your quote…. Perhaps the word ‘committed’ could be replaced by ‘imprisoned’, even ‘enslaved’ to one another by maintaining debt to one another. I’m also not so sure that ‘arrogance’ couldn’t be replaced by ‘stupidity’ since nothing but our intellect prevents us from getting rid of our shackles.
    Last but not least is the concept of “industrial civilization”, which implies some sort of conscious civility. I think the word itself is somewhat misused, as we are mostly uncivil to each other. Last time I looked money and civility seemed like inseparable friends. The no-money-no-candy condition is the only civil-ization of any real importance, as in the hundreds of millions of people who regularly experience homelessness every year.
    Unfortunately, it’s not the 1% who are the worst agents of enslavement, but the 99% who go to bat for their masters. Guy, as few have dared to do, knows more than most that rocking the boat is likely to have you thrown overboard without a life jacket. As a 99% member acting as a government agent reminded me some time ago, “You don’t think WE are going to give you land for free do you? ” It’s the WE that said everything.

  • Jimbot Says:
    October 30th, 2015 at 9:39 am
    Regarding my previous post, I wonder if any of you ever experienced the workings of an operating pulp mill?

    Yes, Jimbot, before I knew any better, I worked at the pulp and paper mill in Port Alberni back in 1971. Ugghhhh!!!! I can still remember that there was a car wash in the parking lot that each employee would drive their car through at the end of each shift. If they didn’t, the paint on the car would soon begin to corrode. Makes you wonder just how much crap we were all breathing in at the time. Yes, the pulp and paper mill is a fine example of “pure destruction” as you call it.

  • I was sent a pdf copy of a document yesterday. It is a privately commissioned parliamentary briefing paper dated 29th May 2015 for a currently serving MP in the UK Conservative party. It was sent to me by a long-standing personal friend of Jeremy Corbyn, the newly-elected leader of the opposition. The document is not in the public domain so I can not provide a link. As it is not marked ‘confidential’ I will happily reproduce the text here and provide a copy to anyone who wants one. I have sent Guy a copy and he has my email address.

    The author of the paper has written several books, the most-recent one is here:

    What struck me immediately about the document was the level of awareness and the comprehensiveness of the briefing. If this is indicative of the wider level of awareness within government/s then it is obvious they know much more than they are letting on.

    The second thing that struck me was the implicit mandate to act outside of the democratic remit if it is believed to be in the overriding public interest. In this instance, with extensive and urgent geo-engineering.

    Document content follows (three graphs in the original omitted):

    Prepared on behalf of Geoffrey Clifton Brown MP, by Kevin Lister, BSc, MBA, MSc, 29th May 2015
    Climate change briefing paper

    Current synopsis of crisis
    Atmospheric CO2 has reached 400 parts per million (ppm). The evidence suggests that it is increasing faster than exponential and most likely will reach 450 ppm by 2030. The safe limit to avoid runaway climate change is below 350ppm. This level was exceeded in 1986.

    The Arctic Ocean is expected to be ice free this summer. This is unprecedented and has never happened in the history of primates. With no ice to melt, the energy being absorbed by the planet will now directly heat the atmosphere, leading to catastrophic temperature increases.

    The Arctic is already experiencing dramatic temperature increases. Its subsequent thawing is releasing an estimated 50 gigatonnes of methane, which is 10 times the amount currently in the atmosphere. The estimated reservoir of trapped methane exceeds 5000 gigatonnes, much of which is at risk.

    We thus face an imminent non-linear step change in temperature, potentially starting as soon as this year. The impact of this will be amplified by the proliferation of nuclear power plants and other critical infrastructure across the planet.

    Status of international agreements
    No climate change agreements have succeeded in agreeing to global cutbacks in CO2 emissions. By contrast, the meetings have presided over an 80% increase of fossil fuel consumption since their inception.

    There is also no evidence that the implementation of renewable technologies on their own will lead to the reduction of fossil fuel consumption that is required, yet this forms the basis of the negotiations. Along with this failure, it is already recognised that the Kyoto 2 outline which forms the basis of the UN Conference of the Party (COP) talks scheduled for December is inadequate. As climate change intensifies, economies will become increasingly stressed and competition for resources and security will intensify. This forces nations to maintain the highest levels of military and economic competitiveness which will drive up fossil fuel consumption.

    The decisions that nations make on cutting fossil fuels is driven by the prisoners’ dilemma. Within this framework, when there is any doubt about the intentions of other nations, every nation is better off individually maintaining a fossil fuel economy, irrespective of the decision that other nations may take towards their carbon reductions. The result is that all nations take the paradoxical decision to collectively choose the worst case decision of continuing to burn fossil fuels, creating a death spiral.

    The decision that nations make on climate change is influenced by the parallel games that the most powerful nations also play on nuclear weapons. A nation facing even the remotest chance of a nuclear attack must maintain a credible deterrence capability. This requires a large high carbon military industrial complex to be maintained which is the antithesis of a zero carbon economy. As a result, agreements on climate change and nuclear weapons must be simultaneously achieved at the same time. With the number of players in both games, it can be reasonably established that chance of this is 1 in 1E63, which is less than finding a single atom at random from all the atoms that make the planet.

    Consequences of failure at the COP talks
    As currently constituted and as driven by the prisoners’ dilemma, the COP talks scheduled in December this year will fail. The danger the planet faces is that a free-for-all quickly takes hold where all nations are forced to pursue military and economic dominance with the consequence of failure being collapse and destruction. In this desperate struggle, the threshold for extreme pre-emptive actions such as a nuclear attack is considerably lowered.
    With this threat overhanging all nations, it is imperative that the management of security forms the basis of climate change negotiations. To date, this has not featured in any previous negotiations. Instead it is replaced with the inadequate mantra of “more ambition being needed.”

    Obtaining democratic mandates for action
    The risk of climate change has been known for over 110 years, yet no industrialised nation has ever voted to take unilateral and unequivocal action on it. By contrast, the worse the situation becomes the less people and politicians want to engage with the debate. This was reflected in the recent UK election where climate change barely figured in the discourse and it is paralleled in the US with Republican presidential candidates denying climate change exists.
    Furthermore, as the effects of climate change erode our ecosystem societies become increasingly dependent on the continued functioning of industrial processes. In turn, this makes taking the actions needed increasingly impossible with the passing of time and a democratic mandate for action will be impossible to achieve. Consequently, political parties must be prepared to pursue climate change policies without a mandate for action that has been obtained through the ballot box.

    Security options for the UK
    As the nation in the UN P5 with the smallest nuclear weapons arsenal, then the dynamic facing the UK is different to those of the biggest members. The options the nation faces along with their consequences are:
    1. Continue as is, which is to attend the UN climate change conference in the forlorn hope that an agreement will be achieved whilst setting in motion the process to replace Trident. In this context Trident becomes a Faustian bargain and the UK will be at the mercy of the decisions made by high carbon emitters such as China, Russia and the US, be that the commencement of war or the pursuit of policies leading towards ecological collapse.
    2. Force a dialogue on the management of security in a climate changing world by publishing a complete carbon footprint analysis of the decision to proceed with a Trident replacement. The purpose of this is to demonstrate to the world that a zero carbon economy is impossible while nations are locked in nuclear stalemates and to force the issue of security into the climate change negotiations. This budget must include the embedded carbon in the military industrial complex that must be kept in place, the carbon emissions from the economic activity needed to raise the taxes and the ecological damage caused by the debt based finance system it needs. This should be done in accordance with the Low Carbon Transition plan which was agreed by the Conservatives when in opposition.
    3. Following from above, start a public debate about how security can be managed given the proliferation of nuclear weapons across the planet and the effects of climate change. This may follow the model that Bernard Baruch proposed to the UN in 1946, that the entire nuclear supply chain from uranium mines to power stations be put under the control of a supranational body and atomic weapons would be made illegal. This time the model would be extended to cover actions needed to address climate change while taking account of the existing stockpile of nuclear weapons.

    The immediacy of the collapse of the Arctic Ice cap and the associated threat of a step change increase in global temperature mean that geo-engineering technology must be considered. Some solutions could be perceived to be dangerous and trigger conflict, hence the need for prior dialogue on security agreements.
    Immediate effort needs to be focused on identifying those geo-engineering solutions that can be quickly implemented with minimal risk. Importantly, geo-engineering must not be seen as a substitute for driving down carbon emissions.

    The global population is heading towards 10 billion. The unsustainable ecological demand this causes invalidates many of the assumptions upon which our current economic system is based. Based on the Manu Loa data which showed CO2 levels rising in the 1950s, with less than 1 billion in the industrialised world, then the long term sustainable population is probably less than this level.

    document content ends


    It seems fairly obvious to me that Guy is undergoing some kind of personal crisis? It would not be fair to speculate what this might or might not be so I won’t. I sincerely hope that Guy does not go the way of Mike Ruppert (not just yet anyway). This paragraph at the end of his introduction leaped out at me from the page, I am surprised that no one has referred to it yet:

    “Where will you spend your final days, weeks, months? And with whom, doing what? It’s later than most of us can imagine.”

    In my case, I know exactly where, when, what I will be doing, and with whom – and it is sooner than anyone probably imagines.

    I will perhaps give an account of my escape from empire and long-overdue arrival at ‘Weippe’ – when the sunny days here end. Meanwhile, there is much to do and experience.


    milendia – I feel your pain. I know something of trees, I have over twenty thousand of them, many are dying. I have spent the last five years restoring an ‘overstood’ 24acre coppice of mature Sweet (Spanish) Chestnut. They were introduced into this part of France by the Romans as a lumber resource. Other trees (about five thousand) I have are Sessile Oak, Silver Birch, upteen species of willow, Hornbeam, Beech, Douglas Fir, Scots Pine, Holly, Alder, Elder, Stagshorn Sumac, Rowan, Norway Spruce and a few others. Any tree will die in the wrong environment, it’s ‘normal’. What gives me solace is that a dead or dying tree is habitat, building material or food for between sixty and two hundred species more than a living one, if you listen carefully, you will hear them. If you speak softly they will hear you.


    ‘The planet isn’t dying, it’s being killed. And those doing the killing have names and addresses’ Farley Mowatt.

    Who ya gonna call?

    I ain’t afraida no ghosts!

  • If anyone is seriously considering making a last minute dash out of Empire and into Weippe, then you might want to consider something like this:

    Very pretty leisure lake with cabin and NO neighbours!

    This is a mini version of the project and total lifestyle change that I embarked on in 2009. Many of the Brit expats living nearby tell me it is like the England they knew as children fifty or sixty years ago; I wouldn’t know as I was born and raised in the centre of London. I do have some fond early memories of being taken out to the countryside by my Dad on hunting and fishing trips though, and I always hankered after a rural lifestyle. Paradise still exists, but the window of opportunity is closing fast. You will need courage and determination, good health, a bit of money and some practical skills. If you can sell everything you have and live in peace and tranquillity for a year, it is still worth it to my mind – quality rather than quantity. Your mileage may vary.

  • What to look forward to: What might get you first,or is that last?
    My top 10:(off the top of my head)

    1. WW3
    2. Radiation
    3. disease
    4. food supply
    5. your gov
    6. storms/SLR
    7. oil supply/energy
    8. your neighbor
    9. volcanoes
    10. earthquakes

    What am I forgetting? Keep in mind I see suicide as something you do to you, not something that gets you.
    On the other hand, perhaps you think you won’t get got-GOOD LUCK with that.

  • the ghost of love lost haunts us all.

    Fringe Voices
    the MIC is my shepherd, I shall not want
    it maketh me lie down in ungreen pastures
    it annoitheth my head will nonsense
    its staff and its rod scare the mutherfucking hell out me

    my grade 4 teacher was a crazy jewess who told us that all future wars will be less than the legendary 5-day war of 1967 and that jews were the greatest thing since sliced toast. I had no idea what a jew was, but I knew I didn’t like them much.

    This teacher had a very furry upper lip. I remarked on her mustache, and was immediately sent to strapped by the principal. Being a quick study, I noticed she had huge hips and told her that she looked like a giant ant. I was immediately sent to the office to be strapped again. I met a guy who got circumcised for the love of his jewish girlfriend, just before she left him, sucker.

    In the 1990s a Canadian study found that black folks were stronger and more sexually attractive, Asians were smarter than everyone else and whites were middle of the road uber-adept organizers. This study was slammed as racist nonsense. This wasn’t too long before another study came out saying that the levels of violence in humanity has been steadily decreasing. This was when I knew we were doomed because we couldn’t deal with reality. I thought this was a fault. But no-o-o-o! It is our ability to deny reality that gave us strength, and our strength is our weakness.

    Everybody is prejudiced, but like some gays, not everybody knows it.
    Having likes and dislikes of races or sexes is normal.
    Hatred is not, but then again, I hate everybody.

  • it is my belief that if you cut a baby boy’s dick you sentence them to a lifetime of craziness, which explains a lot about me.

  • Proceeding on the assumption that Zarguon’s statements are accurate & true.

    Lister’s basic message cuts right to the heart of NTE,& is acceptable on its face.

    Lister demonstrates MORE abject human folly & failure about the MIC that routinely goes UN-mentioned.

    But Lister never mentions Zionist Israel’s sinister & narcissistic control of the U.S. government.

    The U.S. just squandered trillions in treasure & murdered millions of innocents, including thousands of their own mystified grunts – DESTROYING THREE OF ISRAEL’S MILITARY THREATS – IRAQ, LIBYA, & SYRIA.

    Netanyahu continues to openly scream for Iran’s destruction.

    The U.S. military/industrial colossus is in service to ISRAEL.

    ISRAEL bought the U.S, “Republic” on the open market.

    In a culture where everything is for sale, the gov is for sale.

    Continuing with Lister’s theme, but adding & always being aware of never ending Israeli machinations for continuing murder of Muslims.

    Lister says, & who could disagree?

    “This forces nations to maintain the highest levels of military and economic competitiveness which will drive up fossil fuel consumption.”

    “The decisions that nations make on cutting fossil fuels is driven by the prisoners’ dilemma. Within this framework, when there is any doubt about the intentions of other nations, every nation is better off individually maintaining a fossil fuel economy, irrespective of the decision that other nations may take towards their carbon reductions.”

    “The result is that all nations take the paradoxical decision to collectively choose the worst case decision of continuing to burn fossil fuels, creating a death spiral.” ***

    But there are some strange & serious errors/statements making Lister’s entire “scientific” paper suspect, such as;

    “The evidence suggests that it is increasing faster than exponential and most likely will reach 450 ppm by 2030.”

    “… faster than exponential”…???

    But proceeding to the throat;

    The following declarative “IS” sentence stands out in spades of methane & trumps all else, including the paper’s central theme.

    “Its subsequent thawing is releasing an estimated 50 gigatonnes of methane, which is 10 times the amount currently in the atmosphere.”

    If this single sentence “is” true, all else is farting in the deadly methane.

    We will NOT dismantle the MIC & industrial civilization.

    The MIC & industrial civ will dismantle us.

    The thermonuclear warheads don’t even have to go off in vengeance & hatred.


    Make the most of your time left.

    Zarguon’s second post about private seclusion in rural France is particularly shameless & foul.

  • Guy wrote, in this essay: “I graduated from crappy state universities and I work at one that’s the worst of the lot.”

    A student there at “the worst of the lot”, Paul Goddard, and an assistant prof. there, Jianjun Yin, were granted a published paper in the journal Nature this year.

    It is one that Oil-Qaeda would have been pleased to finance.

    It is fundamentally erroneous.

    I criticize the paper here (Weekend Rebel Science Excursion – 51).

    It is perhaps the worst papers on sea level rise (SLR), not even mentioning sea level fall (SLF), which are the two legs of sea level change (SLC).

    I have read many of them, and there are a lot of very bad ones out there.

    As Dr. Mitrovica says “No one had a clue” as to what was causing both SLF and SLR when they wrote many a paper on SLC (since circa 1888).

  • Do crappy people go to law school, or does law school produce severely brain damaged crappy people?

    Yale & Harvard posta be the best law schools, but they unquestionably produce some real twisted murdering lawyerfish politician preverts.

    “Tis the fee that justifies the lawyerfish’s pretense.” Benjamin Franklin

    When no nonsense scientist, Richard Feynman, investigated the Challenger murders ( murder by bureaucracy), he wrote this message to his lady.

    “You, Gweneth, were quite right–I have a unique qualification–I am completely free, and there are no levers that can used to influence me–and I am reasonably straight-forward and honest. There are exceedingly powerful political forces and consequences involved here. . . . I disregard them all and proceed with apparent naive and single-minded purpose to one end, first why, physically the shuttle failed, leaving to later the question of why humans made apparently bad decisions when they did. . . .”

    “Tomorrow at 6:15 we go by special airplane (two planes) to Kennedy Space Center to be “briefed.” . . . My guess is that I will be allowed to do this overwhelmed with data and details, with the hope that so buried with all attention on technical details I can be occupied, so they have time to soften up dangerous witnesses etc. But it won’t work because (1) I do technical information exchange and understanding much faster than they imagine, and (2) I already smell certain rats that I will not forget because I just love the smell of rats for it is the spoor of exciting adventure.”

    At this hour of our upcoming death by infrastructural determinism, I accept Feynman’s words as mandatory – be free to say what you have found to be “true.” – no holds barred.

    There are plenty of smelly double-talking rats in fancy suits worthy of our focus.

  • William Rogers, a Cornell law school grad & former Sec. of State, was the slick double talking elitist establishment lawyer sent to purposely cover up the foolhardy administrative fly order that lead to the death/murders of Challenger’s entire crew.

    Rogers did his trained shadow boxing best to double talk, obfuscate, & mystify the entire investigative commission.

    Feynman wouldn’t buy any of lawyerfish Roger’s nefarious & circuitous pepper-in-your-eyes flapdoodle.

    Feynman refused to embrace Roger’s lawyerfish mystifications, & he proceeded to blow the entire homicidal farce out of the water.

    There is a thorough chapter in the terrific book; “What do you care about what people think?” laying out Feynman’s ceaseless ability to always do honest science in the face of lawyerly lying & mystifying hokum.

    A very well done historically accurate film is available starring William Hurt as Feynman.

    The film is terrific, & it’s NOT directed by consummate liar, Stevie Spielberg.

  • ‘Prepared on behalf of Geoffrey Clifton Brown MP, by Kevin Lister, BSc, MBA, MSc, 29th May 2015
    Climate change briefing paper’

    ‘The safe limit to avoid runaway climate change is below 350ppm. This level was exceeded in 1986.’

    James Hansen sounded the alarm in 1988, and was ignored.

    Maintaining Ponzi economics in the short term was deemed more important to bought-and-paid-for politicians than maintaining habitat for humans (or mush else).

    Climate negotiations 1997 = fail.

    Climate negotiations 2007 = fail.

    Maintaining Ponzi economics in the short term is still deemed more important to bought-and-paid-for politicians than maintaining habitat for humans (or much else), even if it were possible to do anything to mitigate climate catastrophe.

    Climate negotiations 2017 = fail.

    It is unlikely there will be any climate negotiations in 2027.

    Nature does not negotiate. Nature just follows the laws of chemistry and physics. And the laws of chemistry and physics are not negotiable.

  • “For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled.” Richard P. Feynman


  • Kevin Lister does twitter, I do not,”a failed environmentalist pleading hopelessly with a failing world “.

    Also does “Kev’s climate column”.

    Doesn’t the news just get worse and worse. Nice day here,trimmed the goats feet.

  • Yes I know that no one is going to read this, but I was compelled:

    I grew up in the small town of Kettle Falls WA, population 1172 in 1984 when I escaped.

    As a young man I saw my small town as a prison with pretty scenery. I was also “odd” and my less than enlightened peers took great delight in making me as miserable as possible during my time there.

    I lived in an old farm house 10 miles from town which I shared with two alcoholic parents, 12 chickens, four cats and 5 unruly dogs. If it wasn’t for borrowed books from one of my friends who lived four miles down the road and long walks in the neighboring woods I would have gone mad sooner than I currently have.

    The only thing I hated more than being trapped on that farm was going into town and risk running into one of my schoolmates or one of the many town-folk who were always on the prowl for new church members. In 1984 Kettle Falls boasted 2 gas stations, 1 grocery store, 2 bars and 9 churches. Since then I believe that one of the bars burned down and the number of churches is up to 17.

    The last 32 years of my life has taken me many places in search of somewhere that I “fit”. At 49 I am farther away from that goal than when I started my journey at 17.

    The more I traveled, the more I learned. The more I learned the less I fit and the more uncomfortable I have become with myself and with others. I suppose I have a somewhat vacant look to me because I am tuned into a signal that very few are aware; not because they are unable, because it would ruin the comfortable delusion they wrap so carefully around themselves.

    I used to have contempt for all of them, later pity, now only wistful envy.

    Time plays funny tricks and (surprisingly to me) I often think fondly of my time in Kettle Falls. Sometimes when I feel particularly sick of the world around me I daydream about giving up everything and moving back there.

    Unfortunately I am self aware to know that it is not Kettle Falls that I miss, it is that 17 year old that I was. The one with a head full of dreams and an escape plan. The one that was sure that despite their pettiness people were generally good (or at least not actively evil) and that there was a place out there in the world where I belonged.

    Ignorance is such sweet bliss.

    Next week I am going back to Kettle Falls to visit an old friend. Perhaps if I am lucky I may catch a glimpse of the ghost of that 17 year old that I was and for a moment or two forget about the empty and haunted being that I have become.

    After all your optimism has been replaced with rage and after all that rage has burned away, when all the hope is spilled and you are not even sure what you should have been hoping for, what are you? What is left? What moves you to continue?

    Do you haunt your own shell of a body and whisper dark truths down the well shaft at the center of your being?

    I know that the answer is that when there is nothing truly left to lose we should be filled with the courage to do what is right.

    Where is my courage? Where is my strength drawn from the power of futility? How much longer must I wait? If I cannot fill the emptiness inside me with hope then what will take it’s place?

  • With thanks to Zarquon for the climate summary being provided to British politicians, I would like to follow up with the following climate change summary which is generously being provided by the good folks at the Heartland Institute to members of State Legislatures across the good old US of A. Guy has a copy of the pdf, as well. This document is dated June 15, 2014. With apologies for the hard to read formatting (.pdf files do not copy and paste easily)

    Memorandum – June 15,2014
    To: State Elected Officials
    From: The Heartland Institute
    Re: How to Communicate on Climate Change

    President Barack Obama has made global warming (a.k.a. “climate change”) a major talking point in recent weeks and brought into his senior staff John Podesta, an environmental activist, to lead the push for global warming regulations.

    President Obama’s proposal to have EPA impose cap-and-trade regulations on electricity producers, without congressional approval and despite the lack of political consensus on the need for such action, is bringing the issue to the states. Every state will need to decide whether to comply with the new mandates out of Washington DC or fight back. This is “Obamacare for the energy sector,” with all that this implies for state legislators.

    Reporters from the mainstream media are ambushing Republican elected officials with demands to know if they “believe in global warming” or support action to “reduce carbon pollution.” Any official who says “no” to either question is likely to be quoted out of context and portrayed as “anti-science” or “pro-industry.”

    The best-available science says there is no consensus on the causes or
    consequences of climate change; the human impact on climate is probably very small; and the benefits of rising carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere and moderately warmer temperatures are likely to outweigh the costs.

    Of course, it is hard to explain this to a hostile reporter asking nonsensical questions. With all this in mind, The Heartland Institute has produced two one-page documents that can help elected officials communicate on climate change. Both are attached.

    The first document offers three simple guidelines followed by suggested answers to likely questions. The second is a fact sheet summarizing the work of the Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change (NIPCC), an independent group of scientists convened to fact -check the alarmist reports of the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

    The ideas and facts contained in these two documents are backed by hundreds of scientists and thousands of pages of peer-reviewed research contained in the Climate Change Reconsidered series of books produced by NIPCC and published by The Heartland Institute. You can view those books for free at or just call my office and we’ll send you free copies.

    If you would like more information about energy and environment policy or want one of our experts to talk about these issues in your state, please contact John Nothdurft, Heartland’s director of government relations at 312/377-4000 or

    ——-Page 2——-

    The Global Warming Crisis Is Over

    Two major multi-volume reports on global warming were released in 2013 and so far in 2014, one by the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and one by the Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change (NIPCC).

    NIPCC is an international network of some 50 independent scientists from 15 countries, many of them distinguished and with no financial stake in the debate. Their new report consists of two volumes, each approximately 1,000 pages long, together citing nearly 6,000 peer-reviewed studies.

    Here is what the scientists found:

    • There is no scientific consensus on the human role in climate change.
    • Future warming due to human greenhouse gases will likely be much less than IPCC forecasts.
    • Carbon dioxide has not caused weather to become more extreme, polar ice and sea ice to melt, or sea level rise to accelerate. These were all false alarms.
    • The likely benefits of man-made global warming exceed the likely costs.

    Here is what this means for public policy:

    • Global warming is not a crisis. The threat was exaggerated.
    • There is no need to reduce carbon dioxide emissions and no point in attempting to do so.
    • It’s time to repeal unnecessary and expensive policies.
    • Future policies should aim at fostering economic growth to adapt to natural climate change.

    What about those who still say global warming is a crisis?

    • The UN’s new report walks back nearly a dozen earlier claims, contains more than a dozen errors, and tries to cover up new discoveries that contradict its earlier claims.
    • The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) relies heavily on the UN’s reports for its finding that carbon dioxide is a pollutant. That finding is now falsified.
    • Environmental groups refuse to admit they were wrong. It was never about the science for them.

    For more information, visit or The Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change (NIPCC) is a project ofthe Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change, the Science and Environmental Policy Project (SEPP), and The Heartland Institute.

    ——–Page 3——–

    Communicating About Global Warming

    #1: Listen carefully to the question. Reporters and environmentalists often ask vague and confusing questions. Ask them to rephrase the question.
    #2: Keep your answers short. Answer it once and then say “I’ve already answered that question, let’s move on to another subject. “It’s not your problem if they asked the wrong question. Don’t offer to help them out.
    #3: Focus on solutions and not problems. As an elected official, you can’t be an expert on every problem. Your goal is to find solutions, to solve real problems. “I’m willing to support reasonable solutions to environmental problems.”

    Question: Do you believe in global warming (or climate change)?
    Answer: Yes. Climate is always changing. There was a warming trend in the twentieth century, around 0.7 degrees Celsius.

    Question: Do you believe there is a human impact on climate?
    Answer: Yes. We are releasing billions of tons of emissions into the atmosphere and farming billions of acres of land. This has to have some impact on the climate.

    Question: Do you believe man-made global warming is a problem that needs to be addressed?
    Answer: Yes, but much that is already being done is wasteful and even counterproductive. We could do much better while spending and regulating much less. We may need to pass new laws, but it’s more important to repeal laws that are unnecessary or just not working.

    Question: Do you support President Obama’s climate action plan?
    Answer: No, I do not. EPA’s own scientists say the plan would have virtually no effect on global temperatures -less than two-hundredths of a degree by 2100. Yet it would cost approximately $50 billion a year, $400/household, and destroy a quarter-million jobs. These regulations are a war on the elderly, on the poor, and on minorities. EPA’s rules are worse than global warming.

    Question: Do you support preserving or expanding renewable power standards?
    Answer: No, I support repealing them. Renewable power standards increase energy costs, which harms job creation and hurts the poor and elderly. Their impact on emissions is too small to measure. Solar and wind will never take the place of coal and natural gas.

    Question: So what action do you support?
    Answer: I support better research into the causes and consequences of climate change, taking precautionary action such as strengthening infrastructure and burying power lines that will produce benefits even if fears of global warming are exaggerated, and focusing our scarce
    investment dollars on real environmental problems and risks.

    Really. The End.

  • Cowgirl Apocalypse Halloween Rhyme

    I may be a doomer,
    but I should be dead-
    from a Stage-three-C tumor
    and a blow to the head.

    Fighting through weeds,
    I started to grow-
    discovering my needs,
    but being told, “No.”

    I laid down to die,
    but my heart kept on beating.
    So I learned how to cry,
    at a free self-help meeting.

    It worked for a while,
    when I took lots of med-
    if stress started to dial,
    I took to my bed.

    Years passed, til I got it-
    This is no way to live.
    I survived- so I thought it-
    but had nothing to give.

    To find inner quiet
    takes commitment and time-
    maintaining one’s diet,
    to sustain a long climb.

    I’ve grown just enough
    to stand up, when it’s tough;
    to grieve, when I have to,
    and deal with my stuff.

    The new me is fragile,
    sort of like a green sprout-
    a little more agile,
    but prone to self-doubt.

    ‘Cuz the world is in crisis,
    and folks are insane-
    frightened of ISIS
    and not enough rain.

    There’s no use in talking
    to those who can’t hear.
    Hug a tree, or go walking-
    and lay off the beer.

    No one does it for you-
    each carries a load.
    If you think you don’t have to,
    you could end up a toad.

    Boo, y’all!

  • Do we have a ‘best of comments’ category or link for this site or something? We should.

    Some of the thoughts are just so right-on!

    Thank you Denise!

    Thanks also to Doug. I was able to identify with much of what you shared. I don’t think we get here without some version of the Kettle Falls/Weippe stories.

  • Denise, nice poem despite some “roughness.”

    Otherwise, I’ve said it before (more times than I can remember) but I’ll state it again…

    It is NOT too MANY people… it IS too many stupid people.

    For clarification, “stupid” means ignorant (of many “things”), ill-informed (by the likes of Limbaugh or ANY of the dimwits on Faux Noise, any MSM outlet, etc.) and IRRATIONAL due to, perhaps, misappropriated genetic constituency.

    If anyone has NOT seen this ( document, I suggest you place it on your “to read” list. The sooner you read it (and “internalize” it), the “better”(!???).

  • Doug… I read your comment with interest. I am guessing most will.
    I am sure there are more than a few oddballs, freaks and half mad here, so you are in good company.
    I am most definitely included in the above grouping, how could I not be? In addition to moving from England to N.Z. before I was six months old, I spent the first seven years of my life living in a family of five, made up of grandmother, her two daughters and their two sons. An odd arrangement for 1950’s N.Z. or any where at that time perhaps.
    There was a time I would have said the same thing as to we should be “filled with the courage to do what is right”.
    It was the thought behind me emailing my question about acquiring land without paying for it to Guy all those months ago.
    Wester managed to subvert that question with a lot of pretentious bullshit about ” the land owns us”;true but it ain’t 1967 any more in case you hadn’t noticed!
    Point being I just don’t care anymore. Something close to doing what’s right may happen here spontaneously at some time,but maybe, most likely now, not.
    It’s all going to be hard enough, and I’m too old and payed too many dues for gestures.
    But I wish you luck in your quest.

  • Born in 1960 reading Buckminster Fuller (operation manual for space ship Earth) as a teen, I have for most of my life concluded that mine was the last generation afforded an opportunity to experience any kind of quality life. I have opted out of so called “higher education” choosing instead to take a playful approach to life, enjoying the natural world, giving and accepting as much love and kindness as I can. And perhaps most importantly choosing not to reproduce. Now in my mid fifties Guy and others are confirming my instinctive conclusions. It has been somewhat difficult all of these years feeling like the only person in my world who could see this train wreck coming.However after decades of contemplation and acceptance of the human condition the most significant thing I can say is: This near term human extinction that is becoming clear is not and should not be deemed a “problem”. See my youtube video Daniel Brooks Human extinction for details. Bottom line we humans, being of natural origins, should not be viewed as a separate / unnatural agent of destruction of any species including our own. All is as it should be otherwise it would have to be other than it is.

  • “Do you haunt your own shell of a body and whisper dark truths down the well shaft at the center of your being?”

    There ain’t a center, nor a well shaft. As one and the same space pervades the insdie of a clay pot, the clay of the pot and the outside of the pot, so too does being pervade all, sans centre and sans limit. And like the flame of a candle, casts no shadow in its light. Obvious to all who choose to see.

    “The one with a head full of dreams and an escape plan. ”

    There is no where for space to escape to, for space cannot escape itself.

    “If I cannot fill the emptiness inside me with hope then what will take it’s place?”

    The emptiness within is the emptiness without, extending through the entire known and knowable universe. As the darkness of the sky at night is filled with sunligth streaming past the earth on all sides so too the emptiness is full. Sunlight takes on the shape and colour of objects and brings them to the eyes; the emptiness takes the form of the universe. The Void being the Plenitude, there is not an iota of room for hope.

  • Enjoyed your poem, Denise.

  • This wonderful article gave me some sobering hope (not hopium). Please read it:

  • Funny how seeing one’s vissasge in the mirror results in words like “pretentious BS” … and “I just don’t care”
    Yep. No apologies. Zero. Zip. Nada.

    It’s almost like the precision application of Occam’s razor manufactures evidence for claims it produces all by itself.

    Sorry I haven’t time to tarry and upset so many obvious caukazoids (That is what the demographic turned out to be, was it not?), but I got reading to do.

    Cheers and have a nice day.

  • Robin Datta – It’s all very well being a clay pot but it doesn’t pay the bills. Neither does it cure osteo-arthritis, and neither does it bring back my one of my two beloved pet cats that the fucking hunters shot yesterday!

  • I don’t know about France,but uncontrolled domestic cats and feral cats are a major problem in Australia.The following quote is from’The killer Koala and the Poisoning of the Prairie’ by Corey Bradshaw and Paul Ehrlich.

    ‘Australians also love their house cats (there are about 2.5 million in Australia),but the problem is especially serious there because Australian ecosystems never evolved with feline predators. In North America there are lynx,bobcats,mountain lions,some ocelots,and occasionally jaguars.There are also many other small to midsize efficient mammalian predators like weasels,mink,marten,wolverine,coyotes,and wolves. Australia never had predators quite like this menagerie of killers,so when domestic cats started becoming feral,the impact on Australian animals was catastrophic. Today there are probably well over 12 million feral cats across Australia. Dr Tony Peacock,former head of the Invasive Animals
    Cooperative research Centre in Canberra,once used a gut-wrenching analogy to explain their impact on Australian native animals.
    “If you take a line of livestock transport trucks placed bumper-to-bumper from Sydney to Grafton (over 800 kilometres or 500 miles) and fill them with native animals,such as lizards,penguins,possums,etc.-this is how much is eaten each year by feral cats in Australia”
    This sobering analogy explains why,at least in part,Australia leads the
    world in modern mammal extinctions. The other big “part” is loss of habitat,of course.’

    We live in the forest here,have never had a cat and kill (or try to) any cat we see here.

  • The YOOOGE response to my earlier list has prompted me to continue. What follows are the next ten crazy items that have popped into my head. Less likely to happen, but let this not stop our fury.

    11. Aliens
    12. A god revisited thing (wrath)
    13. Dimension shift/flip
    14. sun explodes
    15. meteor
    16. heat
    17. cold
    18. A worldwide and simultaneous cessation of all perception
    19. A black-hole swallows us all
    20. Dark Matter appears and eats us


  • Robin Datta Says:
    October 31st, 2015 at 8:27 pm

    “Do you haunt your own shell of a body and whisper dark truths down the well shaft at the center of your being?”


    Do you believe the utterly preposterous Zionist lies & historical fraud openly presented in Stevie Spielberg’s fictional propaganda movies?


  • Mass Gains of the Antarctic Ice Sheet Exceed Losses

    On Friday a NASA scientist published a clone paper with the same title as a paper he published in 2012.

    He is doubling down on his errors (Weekend Rebel Science Excursion – 52)?

  • @ Dredd

    i’m a big Bob fan
    Is it true his next song is sung in harmony with IBM’s Watson and is named either “Tangled up in Wires” or “FUCK YOU GUYS”?

  • ‘it is my belief that if you cut a baby boy’s dick you sentence them to a lifetime of craziness, which explains a lot about me.’

    rc, u crack me up. i think it may ‘explain’ a good deal more about the culture we’re born into (i too, got my pecker trimmed as an infant). is there any way to stay sane in a sea of insanity? i doubt it. anyway, as lunatics go, u seem to be pretty cool.

    ‘If I cannot fill the emptiness inside me with hope then what will take it’s place?’- doug fasching

    i related well to much of your angst, alienation and despair expressed in a comment earlier today, doug, as i do with the snippet quoted. i have a little hope still to find at least a few surreal friends, and take heart from reading this blog. cyber companionship. and i smoke a very little pot each evening, therapeutic for the stress of boredom and despair and social isolation/alienation. it may not totally ‘fill the emptiness’, not by a long shot, but, along with the unprecedented access to information the internet provides, our enchanting (if often nightmarish) world, and my love for learning, it does enough to get me by for now. don’t know about tomorrow. one day at a time, one moment at a time, do the best u/we can, it’s all anyone can do.

  • The bastard corporations have taken one of the more “human” elements, eg bob in particular and artistry in general, and shoved it down the throats of a rebellion, wrapped it in sublime promises of pay-off, sheltered from storms, but bloody, twisted simple fates blowin’ legalized despair.
    That or
    another side of Bob-fuckit

    after all
    not dark yet

  • .

    Let me begin by saying that I’m very sorry to hear about someone killing your cats … that really sucks. You have my condolences.

    Now can you see why I argued against a philosophy of intellectually rationalized violence such as the one you were espousing the other day? Now you’ve witnessed the result of such a mindset with the death of your cats. Someone set themselves up as being the all knowing decider of what was good/bad, right/wrong, worthy/unworthy, important/unimportant … and exterminated some lives based on their own personal intellectual predilections. I have no doubt that they thought they were absolutely correct in their judgment too, in the dream of their own little human minds.

    Suddenly, you’ve found yourself on the losing end of the philosophy that you were arguing for, and it probably doesn’t seem so rational now, at least I hope it doesn’t anymore. After all, the people who shot your cats obviously thought they were ‘right’ and felt entitled to do what they did, no matter how ridiculous their intellectual conclusion may seem to someone else looking on from outside of the situation. In their minds they where ‘right’, and so they simply acted upon their personal intellectual conclusions, made a judgment, and committed a violent act which they felt justified in committing. I’m sure they thought they were in the right based on whatever their little puzz-puzzlers were dreaming up at the moment when they took the lives of your cats. They represent your philosophy’s little isolated panel of ‘extermination determiners.’

    That’s in fact just the same thing that humans do pretty much everywhere around the world already today … and where is that getting us?

    Instead, I prefer to let nature decide who lives and who dies. I apply a concept called ‘allowing’ (which is an idea that came along after developing the concept of ‘non-attachment.’) To me, the idea that some all-knowing body of humans could ever correctly override evolution, declaring themselves to be the people to correctly determine who (and what) should live and who (and what) should die, derived solely from within their own biased intellects, … is pure nonsense. That’s not so different from what Columbus did … actually; that’s just exactly what Columbus did. When have humans ever been able to override nature and evolution without making a perfectly good mess of things? That’s why I argue for letting nature and evolution decide things, and not a panel of humans … who would just be using their unique (and rather mangled) aberration of intellectual rationalism to come to their own false (but very self-convincing) conclusions about matters which they would actually lack the scope to accurately determine or to understand properly very much at all (such as was demonstrated on your cats.)

    Again, I’m sorry to hear about some pricks shooting your cats. I keep my cat indoors myself. Why do you have hunters trespassing on your property anyway? Can’t you shoot them when they do that … you know, accidentally? You could always try saying you thought they were cats.

    Peace bro. I’m sending some love out to your little cat buddies. So sad.


    I’ve been digging your comments a lot lately.
    You haven’t pissed me off.
    Me likey! :)

  • I’m sorry about Zarquon’s cats, too.
    I’m glad about the Philippines dodging a bullet a couple of weeks back; I’m glad about Mexico dodging its bullet last week. Flooding in Texas and other states now, huge storm approaching the coastal mountains of Yemen at the feet of which nestle communities that may be getting a year’s worth of rain tonight.
    And at the same time I am glad there are fewer cats in the world killing songbirds, etc. And I wonder if maybe a hell of a storm in some densely populated seaport wouldn’t be the best thing to wake people up.

    Such is, for me, the single most disturbing aspect of the cognitive dissonance associated with our daily perambulations – wanting disaster and caring for those in its wake.

    Two high quality cgi visions of the future – one hopeful, one less so.


  • Thank you for your condolences on the loss of my cat (singular). I still have her mother who is distraught at the moment and knows something is very wrong.

    david higham Says: “I don’t know about France,but uncontrolled domestic cats and feral cats are a major problem in Australia.”

    I agree David, it was, and still is a big problem, in towns especially, with the killing of huge numbers of wild birds, so it was something of a dilemma for me when I decided to get a cat for company here in France. I contacted an animal sanctuary with the express stipulation that I wanted a ‘gumby cat’ (see T.S. Elliot’s book of practical cats), eg one that had no interest in hunting, I know they exist as I have had one in the past. I was contacted a few day later saying an inseparable mother and daughter had been handed in, the elderly owner had to go into a care home and couldn’t take the cats. I was assured that they had no interest in hunting so I agreed to take them. They were really nice cats, full of character and very well behaved. The mother, Pudding, was the epitome of a gumby and just sat around all day and enjoyed my affection. However, the daughter, Tiggy, discovered the delights of hunting almost immediately – mice, voles, shrews, water rats, water voles, snakes, lizards, crayfish, gudgeon, loir (doormouse), moles, and many small birds. It was heartbreaking. Three years later I dread to think was the final toll was. But now she’s dead, the mice & co can make a comeback. By a weird coincidence, I was absent mindedly reflecting on this while looking out of the window yesterday seeing the antics of marsh tits on one of the many bird feeders. A sparrow hawk came out of nowhere and took one on the wing.

    The Old Gumbie Cat (poem) – T S Eliot

    LWA asks why I do not stop the hunters coming on my land? I have tried my best including some heated violent confrontations, I have acquired something of a reputation of being a mad fearless English nature freak – which is quite accurate so I’ve no problem with that. ‘La Chasse’, as the hunt is referred to here, is something of a sacrosanct national institution. I just see it as a pathetic primitive male bonding ritual that serves no practical purpose. The main quarry of La Chasse are sanglier (wild boar) and roe deer. They are driven with dogs and then shot with 12bore shotguns. More are injured than killed. The natural predators of both (the wolf and brown bear) have long been eradicated. Deer are seen as a big problem in chestnut coppice as they strip the bark and eat the new shoots. The humane way to control numbers is with selective culling by an experienced stalker with a large calibre rifle. However, this provides no ‘sport’ for adrenaline-fuelled cretins with the IQ of pot plants.

    I decided to officially designate my land as a Nature Reserve and have put dozens of ‘no hunting’ signs up and made the requisite notifications to the authorities. Amazingly, my neighbours were similarly inspired and did the same with their land. This action has proved contentious and various instances of criminal damage took place. I recognised a pattern and placed an infra-red wildlife camera in a strategic position and three of the bastards were caught in the act of smashing up my letter box. The police were forced to press charges and I received compensation. The last three years have been infused with a simmering resentment although I have not had any further problems until this weekend when the dogs were driven though again, and my cat was killed. I’ll be reporting it to the police this afternoon.

    I have thought further (sorry, I can’t remember who conveyed the anecdote) about the Dalai Lama laughing at his nasty neighbour to diffuse his negative energies and I imagined another of my hypothetical scenarios: What would happen if one day the Dalai Lama got a call from his wife: “Sorry to trouble you at work darling, I know you have got a lot of important chanting to do and shit, but I’ve just been raped by our neighbour and I want you to come home immediately”. The Dalai Lama replies, “Sorry darling, I have a lot to do here what with saving the world but I’ll be back as soon as I can and I’ll give our neighbour an extra big smile – that should do the trick?”

    To all you mystics out there: please, for fucking fucketty fuck’s sake – wake the fucking fuck up!

  • mt Says:
    November 1st, 2015 at 8:09 am

    @ Dredd

    i’m a big Bob fan
    Is it true his next song is sung in harmony with IBM’s Watson and is named either “Tangled up in Wires” or “FUCK YOU GUYS”?
    The burden of being a seer:

    “… crooked highways … sad forests … dead oceans … the mouth of a graveyard … ten thousand talkers whose tongues were all broken … guns and sharp swords in the hands of young children … the sound of a thunder, it roared out a warnin’ … the roar of a wave that could drown the whole world … ten thousand whisperin’ and nobody listenin’ … the song of a poet who died in the gutter … one man who was wounded in love … another man who was wounded with hatred … the people are many and their hands are all empty … the pellets of poison are flooding their waters … I’ll tell it and think it and speak it and breathe it … But … I’ll know my song well before I start singin’

    (A Hard Rain’s A-Gonna Fall, by Bob Dylan).