The Worsening Spectre of Global Dimming: A New Interview With Dr. McPherson

by Reese Jones

There is the methane monster; a permafrost timebomb in the making. But perhaps to trump that, there’s now the ominous spectre of global dimming.

What is global dimming? Global dimming is the “darkening” of the atmosphere by particulate matter generated by airborne emissions and pollutants. These particles deflect solar radiation, thus causing a slight cooling of the Earth’s atmosphere. Without this shield of particulate pollution, the Earth’s temperature would rise possibly to a quite hazardous degree. However, this particulate pollution comes with a terrible cost; namely, greenhouse gas production which retains heat, causing the insidious warming of the atmosphere. The guest brings with him a sickening cough.

Solution? Perhaps distributing a constant supply of minute, particulate matter into the atmosphere sans greenhouse gas emissions. That might do the trick. As soon as they come up with this, I’ll be sure to report on it straightaway.

Meanwhile, global dimming now heralds as a quite doleful, doomalicious story …

So, a personal note.

I often wonder how much doom I can take. One sad story after another. But, one can be compelled to pursue truths, and to investigate the outer limits of perceived truths as if a pugnacious habit.

Thus is this discussion with the illustrious Dr. McPherson … an exercise exploring the outer limits of climate possibilities.

This video takes it ALL a step further as we face a seemingly intractable situation — a completely unabatable, lose-lose scenario. Really; how far can this all go?

Does one want to know all these things? Perhaps not; and yet one must, whether for the sake of mad curiosity, or a macabre sense of give-me-all-you’ve-got — an exercise in seeming futility, but then again, not at all.

You see, when it is said that truth will set us free, there could be more to this than initially may meet the eye … if we indeed are beset by global dimming, let us address the situation and free ourselves of the coming onslaught. Let us set our very best minds upon alleviating the situation. If there are no solutions, then let’s live accordingly; quickly, optimally, smartly.

Each day, I must fight to love, to give, to be of value for others and myself. There is a fierce, gratitude-driven joy in that; the taking of each minute as a prize and a privilege. Ravishing of The Minutes, I call it. Doom only enhances the game.

Can I take more of this? Absolutely. Bring the doom scenarios on. They do not threaten; they magnify the resolve. I am impervious; I care, but I do not carry.

The interview embedded below was recorded 16 October 2015.

Thom Hartmann interviewed climate scientist Michael Mann on 10 November 2015. At the 23-minute mark of this video, they briefly discuss me and my views. At 24:30, Mann claims we haven’t passed a single tipping point, thereby ignoring the dozens of self-reinforcing feedback loops I mention in my long essay. And Mann is still sticking to the 2 C political target while claiming it’s a scientific target. He also claims we’re on our way to the Sixth Great Extinction event, thus failing to recognize the abundant literature pointing out the Sixth Mass Extinction on Earth has begun.

Mann is the face of the ultra-conservative Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. He’s either ignorant about climate science or he’s lying. Either way, this interview reveals his malpractice.

I sent the information above to Hartmann’s producer, who booked me on his show a couple years ago. I doubt my message will be acknowledged.

Comments 107

  • Hansen et al. agree that 2 deg. C is a catastrophic increase in global warming, not a safe place to stop green house gas emission impact.

    Are there any experiments and/or scientific papers setting forth the global dimming hypothesis (e.g. “the 2013 paper” mentioned near 6:30 in the video)? One paper seems insufficient.

    A hypothesis needs both a falsifying process and a confirmation process to properly analyze it (e.g. Peak Sea Level – 6).

  • I absolutely love the phrase “increasingly severe moderation.” You always brighten my day, Professor.

  • How To Get Off On Doom

    After my third bottle of wine I could feel the global dimming.

    If my love is vengeance then why do I forget during orgasm.

  • when you make stuff up it’s called a hypothesis.

    when you prove it to be true it’s called bullshit.

    science is the lack of free will.

    bullshit is free will.

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  • I prefer “increasing moderating severity”

  • Robert Callaghan says – ‘Does anyone know how to say condom in French?’

    ‘Préservatif’ – ironic really!

    ‘And the truth shall set you free’ – but first it will piss you off!


    High Windows
    Philip Larkin

    When I see a couple of kids
    And guess he’s fucking her and she’s
    Taking pills or wearing a diaphragm,
    I know this is paradise

    Everyone old has dreamed of all their lives—
    Bonds and gestures pushed to one side
    Like an outdated combine harvester,
    And everyone young going down the long slide

    To happiness, endlessly. I wonder if
    Anyone looked at me, forty years back,
    And thought, That’ll be the life;
    No God any more, or sweating in the dark

    About hell and that, or having to hide
    What you think of the priest. He
    And his lot will all go down the long slide
    Like free bloody birds. And immediately

    Rather than words comes the thought of high windows:
    The sun-comprehending glass,
    And beyond it, the deep blue air, that shows
    Nothing, and is nowhere, and is endless.

  • I have become a hedonist.A well behaved one, nothing, anti-social. Going after love and happiness like it’s my job !!! I think it actually is my job in the first place. Nobody gets out of here alive.

  • Nobody gets out here alive.

    Life and Death are the same, “here” is anywhere, even on the other side. It is a river, one bank is called “Life”, the other bank is called “Death”, but both banks are just Earth.

    Our life and death are the same thing. When we realize this fact, we have no fear of death anymore, nor actual difficulty in our life.

    Dōgen Zenji

    I am impervious; I care, but I do not carry.

  • If you can master nonsense as well as you have already learned to master sense, then each will expose the other for what it is: absurdity. From that moment of illumination, a man begins to be free regardless of his surroundings. He becomes free to play order games and change them at will. He becomes free to play disorder games just for the hell of it. He becomes free to play neither or both. And as the master of his own games, he plays without fear, and therefore without frustration, and therefore with good will in his soul and love in his being.


    Grasshopper always wrong in argument with chicken.

    Book of Chan

  • Well then, there’s nothing for it. Dim me, damn me. We’re a species of dimwits.

    Why do I always think of Moneypenny when I hear Reese’s voice?

    Call me “James”, and I’ll melt. (Early adolescent conditioning.)

  • My feeling to-day is that the “present” is composed of the intersection between the past and the future. Since we are arriving at the end of the future, for this entity called me who is at its mile end, the fabric of the present is altered and unrecognizable. All this is completely unknown territory. When the sheeple inevitably wake up, the S will seriously HTF. Although it already does in innumerable places, namely under the water in the ocean.
    OH . MY . DOG. Those 15 last years, since 2000, when the energy totally shifted after a decade of aberrations, have passed like a dreamare. And now this…
    I watched Guy’s video about the fateful global dimming yesterday on seemorerocks (who is very worried who will utilize what is happening in Paris and how. NATO?). Global dimming is something I felt and saw about 15 years ago and I was thinking then that it was the main factor for the signs already present of the decline of the trees. I also frequented a site from France ( with a guy (haha) follows the consequences of the diffracting of the light caused by global dimming on the bees and ALL MANNERS of life on earth. He is mourning the sky in the south of France, one of the most sung on the planet.
    Deep inside, I refuse to produce more industrial garbage, including my own shit. What’s one to do? Eat, Pray, Love, without Eat?
    The cat on your lap

  • Joy in ravishing the moment

    Are we only left with hedonism and grief?
    For some there is the emptiness, the void, shunyata,
    For others the quiet inebriation of solitude.

    People on the march, desperate, fearful
    Animals on the march, desperate, fearful,
    mostly tucked out of sight over the hill, in the next valley.

    The trees are our witnesses, our silent accusers.
    The trees are here, there and everywhere
    and everywhere hurting.

    There was a fire once – an ephemeral glow, coming of
    half-glimpsed edges of the future.
    There was once a dream of an everlasting justice,
    of a round table set with food for all.

    Now we carry the fire within
    All others are slowly fading
    We navigate the beach strewn with the detritus
    and decay of a mouldering civilization.

    We build a fire to get through the night.
    And we hunch over it, fire witnessing fire.
    Carbon burning illuminating carbon burning
    And the stars above do not witness.

    Each day, I must fight to love, to give, to be of value for others and myself. There is a fierce, gratitude-driven joy in that; the taking of each minute as a prize and a privilege. Ravishing of The Minutes, I call it. Doom only enhances the game.

    Can I take more of this? Absolutely. Bring the doom scenarios on. They do not threaten; they magnify the resolve. I am impervious; I care, but I do not carry.

    Dr. Guy McPherson

    Two Cormac McCarthy quotes, the first from No Country For Old Men (Sherriff Bell is reminiscing about his father), and the second from The Road with the father passing on a message to his son. Guy’s comments/essay reminded me of both of these quotes, which have rung in my head for some time.

    “I had two dreams about him after he died. I dont remember the first one all that well but it was about meetin him in town somewheres and he give me some money and I think I lost it. But the second one it was like we was both back in older times and I was on horseback goin through the mountains of a night. Goin through this pass in the mountains. It was cold and there was snow on the ground and he rode past me and kept on goin. Never said nothin. He just rode on past and he had this blanket wrapped around him and he had his head down and when he rode past I seen he was carryin fire in a horn the way people used to do and I could see the horn from the light inside of it. About the color of the moon. And in the dream I knew that he was goin on ahead and that he was fixin to make a fire somewhere out there in all that dark and all that cold and I knew that whenever I got there he would be there. And then I woke up.”

    “You have to carry the fire.”
    I don’t know how to.”
    Yes, you do.”
    Is the fire real? The fire?”
    Yes it is.”
    Where is it? I don’t know where it is.”
    Yes you do. It’s inside you. It always was there. I can see it.”

    A poem I wrote in the 80s after reading about the Navajo Blessingway.

    A formless warrior
    nothing accretes
    Passing cleanly through the gates of the sky.
    Reborn in each moment
    new born
    vision whole
    mind clear
    perceiving the perfection of the jewel.

    A formless warrior
    nothing accretes
    moving like the wind
    invisible over the moist earth
    moving but holding naught.
    Who shall be
    until the sky fall
    or the waves of the blue sea
    wash over the forests of the living world.

    I am a formless warrior
    Nothing accretes
    I pass cleanly through the gates of the sky.

  • David Swanson asks; why do we only care when innocent Westerners die?

    Answer: White Supremacy!

  • I have been wanting to look up much more on particulates and aerosols, especially on the night versus day effects. Some day I will dig into this thread. AbruptSLR does dig up interesting papers on the Arctic Sea Ice Forum.,1384.0.html

    One could dream about a non-gedanken two week cessation of planes flying world-wide to nail this down in a quantifiable manner, but of course, the noise from the “just in time” effects of air transport cessation would probably overwhelm data being sought.

    Condundrums, they are just everywhere.

  • ‘And Mann is still sticking to the 2 C political target while claiming it’s a scientific target.’

    He’s doing what he’s paid to do. And Mann probably won’t have to personally face the reality of a 2oC higher world, though he may well have to face the reality of a 1.2oC higher or 1.5oC higher world.

    Has he children or grandchildren?

  • kevin moore, I disagree. With a little thought, I suspect you will reconsider your view about Michael Mann’s future. Well, unless you now believe we can sustain this unsustainable set of living arrangements for the next three decades or more.

    Mann, who was born in 1965, will almost certainly live long enough to witness collapse of industrial civilization. Even ignoring atmospheric methane and dozens of self-reinforcing feedback loops, the attendant rapid rise in global-average temperature due to the absence of global dimming suggests he would witness a very rapid rise in global temperature … except that he almost certainly will not survive the triggering event.

  • The horrific bloodshed that occurred in France is sickening, but we do not know who did what or why.

    The propaganda, as always, is disgustingly distorted.

    The following facts are NOT in dispute.

    ONE MILLION INNOCENT Iraqis have been murdered in cold blood by U.S. & Brit military murderers with tens of thousands more maimed.

    All this bloodthirsty vicious murder of innocent Iraqi People is NOW CAVALIERLY BLOWN OFF AS AN ERROR IN INTELLIGENCE GATHERING.

    Oops, tough shit!

    Displaced, homeless, & in-shock-&-living-in-hovels Iraqis total at least FOUR MILLION.

    Libyans murdered are estimated at at least 20 to 25 thousand.

    Innocent Syrians murdered total at least 250,000.

    Israel started it all this mayhem & murder in the name of the Lawd Gawd of Abraham more than 80 years ago by invading Palestine – murdering the native Palestinians, stealing their homeland, & herding the survivors into squalid concentration camps.

    The cultured Israelis continue murdering the surviving Palestinians to
    this very day with billions in aid every year from the bought U.S. representative government.

    Netanyahu openly screams for MORE of this murdering horror for the Iranian People.

    Keep your freakin eyes of the ball, or you will never catch it.

  • I’ll be interviewed by gardener and organic original Alan LePage on Sunday, 15 November 2015. The show airs on Goddard College Community Radio in central Vermont at 6:00 a.m. Eastern. If you’re in the area, it airs on real-live radio: 91.1 FM out of Plainfield, Vermont, and 91.7 FM out of Hardwick. The show runs for three hours, but I’ll join the fray at or after 7:30 a.m. Eastern.

    The show is described and will be archived here. The station is streamed live here.

    Feel free to call in during the show. It’s a call-in show, with a toll-free number: 800.646.9437.

  • Guy.

    Thanks for the clarification. I thought Mann was much older than he is.

    No, I have not changed my beliefs:

    2oC is a preposterous, unscientific ‘threshold’, well above the safe level, which arguably corresponded to 320 to 350ppm CO2.

    Current economic-social-political arrangements are completely unsustainable, and are in the process of collapsing as a consequence of declining EROEI and environmental degradations: the predicament humans find themselves in will get worse. .

    Mann will have the rug slowly pulled from under him over the coming years, or have the rug quickly pulled from under him over the coming months. No one knows which.

    Not looking forward to the next decade. Or even 2016 for that matter.

  • Guy,

    I think the only way that climate scientists who are conservative in their climate change views won’t change their minds until you are proven to be right by habitat for plants and animals and us disappearing because of abrupt climate change.

    Here’s a link to a historical example of a doctor who said to other doctors, wash you hands before helping women give birth, and who paid the price for doing so.

    Here’s another good link:

  • Geez Louise, who the hell but a FAHRMEHR is gonna be up at 7:30 on a Sunday? (These days mebbe a huntah.) And Guy has to get up hours before that.. dayum!

    Alan is an interesting Vermont character/treasure. I’ve bought vegetables from him before at the Montpelier fahrmehr’s mahrkit. By a strange coincidence I was listening to this series of podcasts in the last couple of days…

  • @Tim

    Well, well, well, the Canadian Justice System is teetering on the brink of truth.

    Dana Durnford, who documented and proved that Fukushima radiation is killing the Pacific Ocean, was arrested in Canada and charged with “inciting to violence” against two top nuke industry scientists, who were glossing the facts to earn their bread and cover the butts of some powerful asses.

    Due to security issues, evidence suppression, not to mention vast expanse, Dana was not expected to win at trial. Mouth closed.

    Then a science writer held a proxy trial. Prime evidence was submitted in behalf of all parties, and a verdict rendered for crimes against humanity.

  • @Lidia Thanks for the link great podcast and an interesting farmer.

  • No one get’s out here alive.

    I really like that sentence, it rings through my whole life:

    We will all die, we will all go extinct in some sense and all plants and animals are dying too. There is a great Dying on this planet and that’s the way it always has been with or with out human beings.

    Sure, there is responsibility, not everything is determined, if everything were determined like a machine, then there would be no complaining, no grief, no looking back. Machines don’t complain, they don’t grief and they don’t look back in the sense of any regret. If we were just machines, there would be no NBL. We would give a shit about the planet. But we are no machines. And therefore we care for the planet, we care for our responsibility, we love the planet, we love Mother Earth and therefore we claim “Nature bats last.” Yeah, that’s true and I love that. But:

    We are no different from Nature in any way. We are Nature herself completely, there is not the slightest difference between us and Nature. And Nature got claws and teeth, Nature is and can be bloody with no regret, just like us. So, are we really the most evil enemy of Nature or are we just the most evil enemy of ourselves?

    Some say “Let’s get back to Nature”, but there is no going back, in fact, we never left Nature, We ARE Nature. We are claws and teeth and complaining and grief. This is Nature. What else? We are not apart from Nature, Mother Nature procreated all of us, every Saint and every Sinner, she is within each and everyone of us, she lives within us and she dies within us each and every moment, infinitely.

    Through our eyes, the universe is perceiving itself. Through our ears, the universe is listening to its harmonies. We are the witnesses through which the universe becomes conscious of its glory, of its magnificence.

    ― Alan W. Watts


    You said wonderful, encouraging, inspiring words about the fire and more. I love your style.

    You have to carry the fire.”
    I don’t know how to.”
    Yes, you do.”
    Is the fire real? The fire?”
    Yes it is.”
    Where is it? I don’t know where it is.”
    Yes you do. It’s inside you. It always was there. I can see it.

  • My comments and observations on Guy’s interview with Reese Jones re the subject of Global Dimming:

    I saw the original BBC documentary in early 2005. It immediately confirmed my suspicions that a major extinction event is locked in. The very next day I posted the transcript on the energyresources Yahoo group and it was only Ugo Bardi who confirmed my suspicions – quote: “OMG, as soon as the economy crashes, we’re toast!”. Ten years later and the subject is finally gaining momentum.

    One observation that I made from the documentary way back then was that there were two entirely different forcings which were being disingenuously lumped together, these are:

    1. Particulates in the lower atmosphere due to the emissions from industrial civilisation – the so-called ‘heat blanket’ and…

    2. The condensation trails from jet aircraft which has the opposite effect of reflecting sunlight back into space – ‘radiative forcing’.

    Nothing has changed!

    To my mind these two factors must be considered separately and not jointly in the same way that land and ocean temperatures are differentiated. One makes the planet hotter, the other makes it cooler. Please correct me if I am wrong. I accept there may be some synergy and self-reinforcing feedback loops, perhaps some self-cancelling also?

    As far as I am aware there are no studies that confirm or quantify the first effect in isolation but again, do correct me if I am wrong. All we have is an estimate of combined global dimming which is keeping the average temperature at +/-3°C lower than it would otherwise be without the two global dimming effects. Dimming being, by definition, a reduction in albedo at ground surface.

    However, we do have reasonably precise measurements of the second effect thanks to the post-9/11 study which showed a >1°C rise in only three days! I have not seen the data points on the graph so it is impossible to conjecture any further extended effects, for example – after six days, after nine days, after 12days, after twelve weeks etc. My guess is that the temperature will keep rising long after three days but there must obviously be some levelling off at some stage. That, of which we can only conjecture? It would help to see the data.

    Here is the transcript:

    The kicker: “DR DAVID TRAVIS: We found that the change in temperature range during those three days was just over one degrees C. And you have to realise that from a layman’s perspective that doesn’t sound like much, but from a climate perspective that is huge. ”

    Which takes us on to matters of ethics…

    Guy has stated many times in his talks that ‘it only takes ten million years’ after a major global extinction event for a vibrant diversity of life to re-establish itself. If this is indeed the case (and I believe it is) then we are faced with a dilemma: Do we encourage a crash of civilisation to minimise the immediate damage and to give the replenishment and re-establishment of life a head start? Or, do we just simply continue wringing our hands saying how bloody awful it all is while we continue shopping, breeding and flying?

    You can’t have it both ways and both Guy and Reese Jones were skirting around this dilemma. I’ll spell it out: Do we embrace global dimming/geoengineering to buy time or do we crash the system – these are the only two issues, everything else is blather! Whichever you believe – say it out loud and walk the talk.

    I have never understood why people who profess to love the planet and all its wonderful inhabitants continue to fly in airplanes? It is like raising a child and devoting your life to its well being, happiness, and fulfilment, but every once in a while you have an uncontrollable urge to hit it repeatedly with a hammer! I just do not get it.

    See these also:


    Entry stage left, pursued by (Russian) bear: Another miracle passport bang on cue…
    Sydney Morning Herald:
    Don’t throw Gerald out with the bathwater with this one please, he’s on the case.

  • If everything were determined like a machine, then there would be determined complaining, determined grief, determined looking back.

    There would be a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury
    Signifying nothing.

  • Hi Guy, thanks for entertaining my questions on Alan’s radio show this am.

    The Bill McKibben answer was a given, but since he works out of Middlebury College he’s a big rock star in VT.

    I was hoping you might delve a little deeper into the second question about what you think TPTB will do once climate change becomes obvious.. What I meant wasn’t so much what they would do personally, but what sort of plans they have for the rest of us, once our situation becomes obvious to many more people and things fall more into disarray… whether you have heard anything along those lines…

  • How To Pull Your Finger Out Of The Pie In The Sky

    Just because you care about life on earth, doesn’t mean you can do anything about its destruction.

    Just because you care about French people, doesn’t mean you can do anything about their deaths.

    Just because you care about the millions of deaths in the Middle East, doesn’t mean you can stop it.

    Once you accept that caring won’t change anything, you can move on with your own life.

    Stop caring about what you can’t change, start caring about yourself and what you can change.

    When people tell you that you can change the world, they are lying to you and themselves.

  • LOL. Guy, you may not have heard it but immediately following the close of the show was an advert for midwives and a birthing center.

  • @lidia
    I heard that and lol

  • That Golden Turnip guy is a big pain in the ass. I tried to find Guy’s interview with no luck, but I did listen to the bio-charr dude, of which I am a very big fan.

    At 400 ppm C02, we get 30°F warming in a thousand years.
    The 2°C warming we are negotiating doesn’t just stop there.
    It’s like kicking a ball 1000 feet and negotiating the first 20 feet.

    He then explains how climate models cannot model all feedbacks and are geek ego fetishism a la Gavin Schmidt.

    The carbon charring of soil is not even open for discussion in Paris.

    This is why I know we are fucked. We can’t even frame the issue honestly and we ignore critical aspects of what we have to do.

  • Robert Callaghan said – ‘Stop caring about what you can’t change, start caring about yourself and what you can change’ and ‘When people tell you that you can change the world, they are lying to you and themselves’.

    It sounds like your shadow self is giving you a bit of trouble there Robert, you need to get that seen to before the cog-dis gets worse and causes no end of problems. Don’t say I didn’t warn you!

    Every living and non-living thing changes the world, whether they, or it, is aware of it or not. Change is made in a matter of degrees; it is ubiquitous and inescapable.

    If you are happy living your life as though nothing matters because eventually the sun will go supernova or the entire universe will collapse into a black hole, then, that’s fine by me; that is your choice. I do not want to live my life like that however and I contemplate my death bed and the thoughts that may go through my mind. I would like to reduce the amount of guilt and stress that I may feel to an absolute minimum believing I did what I could – whether it made any difference or not. I live in hope that it may have made a difference though, even in the face of our extinction.

    Most people have a capacity to deny this and go though most of their lives not addressing those burning questions – “what more could I have done..?”, “why didn’t I (fill in your own gap here). Perhaps make a list even?

    On a self-centered level, this regret expresses at the end of life in the more-common forms such as: ‘I wish I had spent more time with my family’, ‘I wish I had stopped smoking’, ‘I wish I was nicer to people’ etc, the list is endless. People generally do not ask themselves why they didn’t spend more time on facebook?, or, ‘why didn’t they start smoking earlier?’ or ‘I wish I had bought that nice set of matching tableware’!

    The brave will, and do, confront these life-end questions long before they are lying in a hospital bed somewhere dying of nothing. The braver still will actually act on them.

    “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has”. Margaret Mead.

  • I have to agree with the Callaghan quote about changing the world.

    All the prophets and greats that have come along have FAILED to change the world because they were all small individuals and groups that cud not get the rest of us to understand this: IT ISN’T ABOUT MAKING A LIVING, IT IS ABOUT MAKING A LIFE FOR EVERYONE.

    P. S. I remember in high school studying Margaret Mead and I learned that she tried to prove the inferiority of the black man by measuring and comparing white and black skulls and saying, See, I told you we are different. Hogwash and narcissistic!

  • Was there global dimming before the Industrial Revolution? If not, why didn’t the temperature of the earth rise and bring on global warming at that time?

  • @Shep – re Margaret Mead and racism – Bullshit!

    Margaret Mead’s bashers owe her an apology

    Also, take a read of ‘To Smart For Our Own Good’ by Craig Dillworth (OUP) for further vindication.

    In any event, you are evading the issue I raised. It has nothing to do with ‘making a living’, you are introducing a straw man.

    You shouldn’t have bothered with school, I didn’t!

    (sorry, third post)

  • Roger Says: – ‘Was there global dimming before the Industrial Revolution? If not, why didn’t the temperature of the earth rise and bring on global warming at that time?’

    Yes, and it did rise – in cities only due the heat blanket effect.

    My parents had bought a shop on a main road in the centre of London in 1950. The smog was so bad that you couldn’t even see more than a few feet – even inside the shop. I was born there in 1956 and had pneumonia four times before I was six years old.

    (sorry, fourth post. please try google before posting)

  • Zarquon — Thanks for the transcript link on the Global Dimming program from 2005. Amazing that we have such difficulty parsing two overlapping but competing phenomena. But they are operating on such different timescales, and at different atmospheric levels, I even find it hard to postulate how they may interact.

    The 2001 “dropout” of particulates from grounding the flights over USA is just such a one-time change, that it’s hard to make myself extrapolate, as Guy has done, into a larger Collapse scenario.

    In proportion to vehicular ground traffic, I still imagine flights to be of a much smaller proportion, and yet their injections are at specific altitudes that could cause that particular broad-spreading phenomenon. And I find it amazing, from reading the transcript, that observations of sunlight dimming were so little studied until recently.

    Since only USA flights were grounded — right? — I wonder if that particle dropout led to a temperature rise only in USA boundaries, and in all regions? In other words, a control variable outside of USA to these observations within.

    In contrast to the rapid dropout of dimming particles from the atmosphere, the persistence of CO2 is at the other end of the time spectrum, and that is just a major, major blockage in people’s minds. The whole “fixit” mentality goes out the door once you see a thousand-year Earth change thrust upon any surviving generations they would like to imagine existing.

    Once having grasped the scientific readings here, a lot of what we try to do is understand the psychology of Denial, and the mental processes of comprehending scientifically what is happening to our habitat.

    I see that the Dimming program even mentioned Methane hydrates — in 2005! — which I never heard of until I encountered Guy’s work here in 2012. Was I in Denial before, or just preoccupied elsewhere? So I can understand others’ reluctance to embrace it fully, even if they’ve had brief encounters with the idea before.

    There IS an obsessive quality to finally “getting” Methane. And a useful obsession, I suppose, compared to other “interests” more ephemeral. It is, after all, the ultimate Eschatological (“Last Things”) topic. What it is is meeting the Reaper face to face.

  • Shep, I claim to be somewhat of an authority on Margaret Mead because I researched it all – both for & against.

    There is plenty to both praise & criticize about Mead’s “social science,” & much good uncovering work has been done.

    BUT your accusation of racism is egregiously false.
    Mead was a shining example of the very opposite – she was a passionate anti-racist as taught by her mentor Franz Boas.

    *** “P. S. I remember in high school studying Margaret Mead and I learned that she tried to prove the inferiority of the black man by measuring and comparing white and black skulls and saying, See, I told you we are different. Hogwash and narcissistic!” ***

  • Well, Gerald the Sympathizer, Mead must have been stupid to decide that measuring skulls means anything.

  • Global Dimming: How To Fall Asleep With One Eye Open

  • Nothing means anything. Life started by accident and has no purpose. We are collections of atoms obeying the laws of physics. Biological robots. Life is short and then it’s game over. Hedonism is best.

    Official video for the classic song “Sex & Drugs & Rock & Roll” by Ian Dury & The Blockheads.

  • Your Radiation This Week No 30
    Nov 7 to Nov 14, 2015
    [a few quotes]

    Highest Recorded Radioactive City in America this week

    A definitely UN-familiar Leader again in the race for the Most Radioactive Weather in America this week is Denver, Colorado! Congrats to Denver as the most Radioactive City in America for this week.

    Thirty (30) cities exceeded 1,000 CPM this week. Another ten (10) cities are clustered between 999 and 900 CPM. Stay Alert and take all appropriate precautions. The most prevalent isotope, Cesium 137, takes a daunting 600 years to decay to infinitesimal levels. It is not even particularly long-lived radiation. The Cesium will remain, though; we won’t.

    Hold on to your hat. In 1992 Germany calculated that in reactor meltdowns like Fukushima Daiichi the radioactive isotope Strontium 90 would aggressively poison the environment for 109.2 years and then decline slowly over the next 273 years. Of course, we will all be long dead by then. Other deadly Rad isotopes put Strontium 90’s generous life span to shame. [if you live in America, you should read this]

  • @Ray Batman

    If everything were determined like a machine, then there would be determined complaining, determined grief, determined looking back.

    There would be a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury
    Signifying nothing.

    Just let it out, all your hatred, envy and what have you. Does that signify anything to me? Not that much, you are just one voice among million voices, it’s your Karma, not mine, it is determined that you can never run away from yourself, you are your own actions, your own Karma, your very own tongue, you are cooking in your very own soup, just like anybody else and I really like that^^- bon appetit :-)

    Nothing means anything.

    Well, so your comments just mean nothing^^

    Hedonism is best.

    I see, yeah, that’s a real eyeopener^^ Well, all those banksters, polititians and ignorant little sheeps are with you on that sinking Hedonism Ship for sure, enjoy the party, have a nice trip to annihilation, but PLEASE:

    Have fun, just like me 8-)

  • @Nemesis

    “you are cooking in your very own soup, just like anybody else” – does that include those thalidomide kids in the 1960s? I could have been one. Or my brother who was murdered in 1987 for wallet? I don’t get your concept of Karma. But yes, my comments mean nothing. I have still some Tempranillo. Out, out, brief candle!

  • A bit off topic, but Rolling Stone had a great article pointing out that, while there were two major terrorist attacks by ISIL last week. One resulted in an outpouring of grief and pledges of support and the other…. not so much. I wonder why that is?

  • Roger Asks:
    November 15th, 2015 at 9:34 am

    Was there global dimming before the Industrial Revolution?
    “Global dimming” as a function of industrial civilization began embryonically circa 1750, but has grown as indy civ has grown.

    Prior to that volcanoes were the mother of all global dimming.

    And it was some serious global dimming compared to what wimpy indy civ can do by comparison.

    You also asked “If not, why didn’t the temperature of the earth rise and bring on global warming at that time?

    In short, carbon dioxide gas exhaled into the atmosphere from the burning of fossil fuels.

  • @Ray Batman

    “you are cooking in your very own soup, just like anybody else” –

    does that include those thalidomide kids in the 1960s? I could have been one. Or my brother who was murdered in 1987 for wallet? I don’t get your concept of Karma.

    Karma just means that you get what you sow. Did you sow the dead of your brother who was murdered for wallet? Maybe it was just a Hedonist who thought “Nothing matters, nothing means anything at all” who killed your brother?

    I could have been one.

    Yes, then your candle would have been blown out long before. But that’s what you wish to happen anyway, don’t you?

    Out, out, brief candle!

    Yeah, that’s a dream, a sweet dream. I dreamed that often. In fact, I dream that every night I go to sleep. But I do always wake up again from my sweet dream of annihilation and find myself right at that place I left in the evening, damned, too bad- Karma?

    But yes, my comments mean nothing.

    Maybe your comments mean nothing to you (sure?), but maybe they mean something to me^^

    Karma is what you feel, what you think, what you do, what you are. Karma means that YOU are you and not anybody else, you can’t get away from that 8-) Look in the mirror:

    What you see is Karma. You can never get away from what you feel, from what you think, from what you do, from what you sow, from what you decide. You are your own actions, you are your own decisions, you are your own in any detail and in any consequence. Is the weather your Karma? You decide. Is everything determined? You decide. Do your comments have any meaning at all? You decide. Karma:

    Do whatever you like to do, but always be prepared to take the consequences.

    I have still some Tempranillo.

    Alla salute!

  • “We’re on our way to a 6th great extinction, if we don’t change our way of doing things.” Michael Mann, on Thom Hartmann.

    So Mann doesn’t dismiss Guy outright. He just alludes to the climate science predicament, but declines to make the SOCIAL science extrapolation which Guy makes, i.e. that “we” WON’T make that change.

    Change won’t happen until it’s FORCED on a greedy civilization, and by then, with the lead times of carbon and methane, it will be runaway and too late.

    But for the sake of each of us living out our lives, with what is handed to us by OTHER humans whom we can’t influence, that SOCIAL science extrapolation must be made.

    Thanks to Guy for stepping out of the “Science” box, into the Real Life world, and for stepping out of the careerist (“expert on TV”) zone that others keep shelter (and paychecks) in. (Sometimes you have to wonder which example he has set — truth-teller, or career-leaver — they must find personally most threatening.)

    And, Nemesis — yes, several times before, with some terrible deeds to our debit. And before the sun sets, I’ll stumble around in my woods with some Malbec. I can hear the raging torrent and I want to see for myself how high it has risen, or what it has exposed from washing away the banks.

    I wonder if anyone knows the date of the last ulvfugl post? I should look for myself, as he was possibly the most prolific NBL poster.

  • Henry, ulvfugl posted his final comment in this space on 5 November 2014 at 6:33 pm

  • In searching for Guy’s radio broadcast for today, I wasn’t able to access it; however, badaboom I located Dane Wiggington’s 11/2/2015 broadcast on WGDR on The House at Pooh Corner entitled “Dane Wigington (sp.) Geo-Engineering.

    Just say it… “geo-engineering.” Everyone knows it is going on. It’s all hanging on with active biosphere collapse. On this point, Wiggington agrees with Guy; however, he believes that climate engineering (weather/biological warfare) should end.

    This “globalist” NGO takes the position that if they stop spraying, that the temperature will increase sharply and dramatically. So it continues…why? The elitist pigs are busy shoving 250,000 cans of Spaghettios (that they’ve “recalled”) into their bunker holes as they recognize the impending and imminent doom.

    Weather warfare. Geo-engineering. Go ahead. Say it.

    Heading toward acceptance…if you will climb out of your tip-toeing around and deliberately denying the discussion of GEO-ENGINEERING.

  • cuntagious said “A bit off topic, but Rolling Stone had a great article pointing out that, while there were two major terrorist attacks by ISIL last week. One resulted in an outpouring of grief and pledges of support and the other…. not so much. I wonder why that is?”

    I do not wonder.The attacks in Paris are against very white people who are worth more (I know you know, “not so much” being at least an understatement)
    from sun in vancouver and mum in montreal

  • @ Lidia

    You asked Guy:

    “I was hoping you might delve a little deeper into the second question about what you think TPTB will do once climate change becomes obvious.. What I meant wasn’t so much what they would do personally, but what sort of plans they have for the rest of us, once our situation becomes obvious to many more people and things fall more into disarray… whether you have heard anything along those lines…”

    Though I’ve never expressed this to you, I consider you and me to be as thick as thieves. I agree with virtually everything you have ever posted here, and I consider you to not only be the most creative writer to have come through this space, I also consider you to be one of the most honest. So I hope you don’t mind if I give you my two cents on that question above, especially given that my opinion has drastically changed over the last couple years for very specific reasons.

    Warning, if you are not fully “up to speed” on the following, and maybe you are, but if you’re not, you’re undoubtedly in for one hell of a ride, where if you remain as honest as you have been up to this point, you are not going to be the same afterwards, and you will most likely be far, far worse off because of it. How’s that for a teaser?

    Where to begin?

    First of all, I no longer have any faith that anyone truly knows who TPTB are at this point. And this, in my opinion better answers your question ‘indirectly’, than any direct attempt made by laypeople who might imagine we’ve a clue without having any access to the realpolitiking of backroom schemes that will never come close to the light of day. Subjective conjecture is the only tool in the shed.

    But there is one thing we can be sure of with almost near certainty: The TPTB response to climate change has/is going to be catastrophic as well as unbelievably deceptive, to a point that “we” will most likely never know how they responded.

    I have reached a point in my ever evolving tragic awareness, where I now almost exclusively frame any opinion I or anyone might have regarding our perception of world events as little more than a question of cognitive dissonance; for I am now of the opinion that virtually every thought we possess is but an illusion where it concerns planned events in which we have no direct knowledge.

    Again, if you remain completely open to the following….honestly, this is going to hurt, I’m still stumbling around myself. It is probably the most controversial phenomena any of us have yet experienced as casual onlookers.

    The massive cognitive dissonant event known as 9/11, for anyone interested in contemplating the nature of the TPTB, is probably the greatest singular event that we will ever come close to glimpsing the raw power within the dark recesses of the “ruling elite”.

    We all know the dominated Bush/Cheney narrative, and quite surprising, there are still a few here who are still foolishly riding that nonsensical bandwagon.

    But I’m going to assume that most everyone here is well past that mountain of horseshit and are somewhere lost within the spectrum of opinion as to it being some kind of inside job. Let’s call this cognitive dissonant hurdle #1. In other words, something just isn’t right about the story we were told.

    That automatically takes us to cognitive dissonant hurdle #1.5: Controlled demolition. Compared to getting over the first hurdle, this one is relatively easy, because logic and physics take over.

    I’m going to assume that the majority of people here believe as I have for the last 12 + years, that the towers were brought down probably due to some form of thermite. Something had to have sliced through the iron columns allowing the buildings to fall at near freefall speed.

    How many people here, including myself, have been convinced that this is the real truth about 9/11?

    I suspect Guy still holds this opinion, though I do not know.

    However, the next cognitive dissonant hurdle literally changes everything, which explains why so very few people are willing to allow themselves to question the following.

    Enter cognitive dissonant hurdle #2

    Had the towers either collapsed due to jet fuel or controlled demolition, two 110 story buildings, estimated at 500,000 tons each would have left enormous debris piles, Yes?

    However, that did not happen. In fact, after the dust cleared, there was comparatively nothing even remotely close to the debris that should have been there, and 14 firefighters who were in a stairwell on the ground floor of building #1 when the building supposedly collapsed on top of them just walked away unharmed, the photos taken right after the dust cleared showed no more than just small mounds of debris at ground level. The visual evidence is simply irrefutable. Just take a look. As for contrarian visual evidence, I have seen only the one photo with the firefighters hoisting the flag, and honestly, it looks poorly photo-shopped.

    Enter cognitive dissonant hurdle #3, or rather, hello Dr. Judy Woods.

    This was briefly discussed on several threads back on the 9/11 post, but “we” didn’t come close to actually discussing the implications. And for anyone who has become aware of her extensive research, it again becomes very clear why no one is discussing it. Throw in the prospect of weather modification and it becomes downright “otherworldly”. And for someone who thinks of himself as an empiricist, that’s really hard to swallow.

    For the diehard truth seeker, by the time we’ve peeled enough layers of the onion away till we’re able to openly look at the evidence presented by Judy Woods, we’re so outside of everything we’ve ever thought, the question of sanity isn’t too far behind. It is probably the most confounding evidence ever presented!


    Because on one hand we’re looking at visual evidence that simply can’t be denied. Yet, we have no way of determining what we’re actually looking at. Many of the buildings at WTC were just turned to dust. Half of building #4 is simply gone, having not been hit by anything; it’s just gone, with the immediate basement floor completely intact. Then there is the question of the 1400 melted cars on the ground without any people being burned; entire engine blocks having melted next to untouched trees.

    The disconnect is overwhelming.

    After perusing Judy Wood’s evidence, and having something close to an intellectual breakdown, imagine if you will, if TPTB—whoever they are—are not only capable of pulling this off, but knew they had the power to control the narrative from the beginning, then honestly, what can’t “they” mystify at this point?

  • TOM – Thank you. I was about to post the same as you did above.

    LIDIA – About 60% of the world’s billionaires are clients of the Rand Corp Analytic. Plans are revised and updated weekly. Please take a look at the small amount avail to the public to get further insight. Also run a search engine on the Oppidum complex. Google might not allow Oppidum info. Finally do a bit of reading up on 2016 Dugway Proving Grounds in Utah. If this suggestion does not get deleted by NSA then you will be on track to learn about the most sophisticated Bio-gen in development.
    Neural Signal Transduction is similar to Iron Dome and m-wave mounted on military tanks in several NATO countries to cause a burning sensation that is so intense crowds are driven back with out firing a shot. See many documentaries of it in use on YouTube.

    Most importantly: K-Signal direct to the cerebral cortex can control humans with proven results in NYC. The mind whispering billboard in NYC was an open experiment case. NYC crowds flocked to the billboard because it was fun to hear how it spoke ‘inside’ your mind. The billboard itself was silent. It was featured on YouTube last year. Astounding technologies are in the works if you are interested in DARPA developments to maintain temporal control. Many plans are in active test phases.

  • All we need is for someone to come up with a plan that supposedly solves global warming and also continues to funnel trillions of $ to Goldman Sachs and the rest of the world’s owners and it will be instantly approved and implemented.

    Geoengineering comes closest to fulfilling that requirement. Massive, expensive, and likely useless projects for investors to profit from, and paid for by taxpayers. Count on it. It’s gonna happen. In fact, in may have been the plan all along. Thirty years of denial, delay, and inaction needed to break the climate and create a new industry that increases the wealth and power of the plutocracy even more. Even now I can hear the echoes of laughter from corporate boardrooms.

  • Most new cell towers are now being equipped with HSS Hypersonic Sound.

    M.I.T. Joe Pompei population directive project is called “Audiospotlight”

    HOLOSONIC technology. “For religious people it will be like God guiding them inside their minds.”

    The 2016 DOD budget for HSS ultra is still a very small 16 million. A Primary array of human calming HSS ultra systems are being installed in downtown Chicago. 2014-15 successful tests conducted in Baghdad & South Africa. “Approx 72% of human population centers respond well to HSS subliminal directives.”

    Most of the Defense Department’s work on high-powered microwave weapons takes place at Kirtland Air Force Base in Albuquerque, N.M..

    “We are looking at different sources and devices that can produce that microwave energy and propel it,” said Rich Garcia, a spokesman for the project where nearly all of the work is classified.

    Researchers also are exploring ways to block incoming high-powered microwave weapons. That will require something of a super surge protector, experts point out, because the blasts are so intense and brief they can escape detection.

    The former Soviet Union once was deeply involved in exploring high-powered microwave weapons, but it is now thought Russia is no longer pursuing them. Other nations believed to be conducting research are China, Great Britain and France. for videos on direct energy weapons and other less forceful uses of ultra frequencies to “guide” populations. You might not know it but all will probably be under control by some who need to get to where ever they plan to go. (Then maybe horrible chaos after the signals go silent & SRM fallout = heatwaves?)

    Many contractors are involved in installing the DoD HSS network. It’s no big secret. Do some research. Ask around..or get away from the grid.

  • “Global demand for coal over the next five years will continue marching higher, breaking the 9-billion-tonne level by 2019.” — IEA

    As we can see, the IPCC’s projected dramatic emission reductions remain in the realm of distant fantasy. With 9 billion tons of coal dust particulates being burned into the atmosphere every year, global dimming will continue for the foreseeable future until someone or something can stop humans from burning all that coal every year. I doubt I’ll live to see that.

  • LIDIA – per your good question this is direct from Dr. McPherson’s monster essay right here on NBL:

    US National Security Agency (NSA) documents disclosed by the Guardian have shocked the world with revelations of a comprehensive US-based surveillance system with direct access to Facebook, Apple, Google, Microsoft and other tech giants. New Zealand court records suggest that data harvested by the NSA’s Prism system has been fed into the Five Eyes intelligence alliance whose members also include the UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.” In short, the “Pentagon knows that environmental, economic and other crises could provoke widespread public anger toward government and corporations” and is planning accordingly. Such “activity is linked to the last decade of US defense planning, which has been increasingly concerned by the risk of civil unrest at home triggered by catastrophic events linked to climate change, energy shocks or economic crisis — or all three.” In their 2014 Quadrennial Defense Review, the U.S. military concludes: “Climate change poses another significant challenge for the United States and the world at large. As greenhouse gas emissions increase, sea levels are rising, average global temperatures are increasing, and severe weather patterns are accelerating.” The global police state has arrived

    My note: Please see our site for more info on how the “police state” is mostly non-human surveillance. Sensors. Satellites. Synthetic. Bio-gen. Nano tech in forms that most humans can not yet identify or comprehend. Cyber genetics may be able to survive intense radiation levels. Very serious work is conducted in this field. The public portion of DARPA is only the tip of a complex global network. Still mistakes will be made & none of it may have enough energy to persist.

    LIDIA – I really liked meeting you in person. Possibly you can see now why more decommissioning deals are suddenly on fast track. I assure you there is a International system of preparation in progress.

  • @Daniel, lazy bitch that I am, your praise surprises and delights me. 95% of the heavy lifting I do is mental, and most of that is automatic, nothing particularly hard-won.

    I hear you and I have every reason to agree, although I’ve never gone far down that particular rabbit hole. Ask Mark Austin, I go from A directly to Z without passing “GO” and without collecting $200. I never delved into the 9/11 evidence because, as far as I was concerned, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Bush, et al., told us their plan in invoking the “New Pearl Harbor” which, coincidentally, they also happened to be in a position to grant the country known as the United States. I don’t think they are interested in hiding their hand, rather, the opposite. We are talking about a person who shot his friend in the face, and the friend was the one who apologized.

    Since in the ’70s and’80s I recall (I’m 55) the “neutron bomb” being bruited about, I’ve no illusions as to the lengths to which some government Strangeloves will go.

    But there’ll be an interim phase, I think, and I guess I’m just curious as to what form that might take. More cities under curfew? You can do that with Boston one day and Paris the next, but can you do it credibly, on an ongoing basis with Des Moines and Naples, Italy and Kyoto all the other tens of thousands of sizeable human congregations? For how long? How many of these weapons might one be able to deploy at once or within a concise period? Are “leaders” world-wide coherent actors in employing of such weapons, or are we looking at a very asymmetric roll-out? Earlier World Wars had the “advantage” of not taking place in a very globalized society, so mainly the French were in France, the Germans were in Germany, and so forth. Things were easier to predict when Empires were regional and not one single global hegemony at war with itself.

    Do you roll this shit out in the cities you control, the 700+ cities worldwide with US military bases? Hmph. Not convinced. Do you roll it out elsewhere? Well, then you have diminished capacity for intervention and securing whatever the fuck it is you want to secure.


  • The fascist military has fast tracked 2 new Australian sponsored coal fired power plants in my neck of the woods. Anyone in opposition to the plants will be summoned for multi-day attitude adjustment at a military base. That’s standard procedure now. This is the epitaph for these parts. Soon you’ll be able to enjoy beach holidays amidst impenitrable smog clouds, just like in China’s luxury resorts of Hainan or Xiamen. Cheers and happy days.

  • Henry said – “In proportion to vehicular ground traffic, I still imagine flights to be of a much smaller proportion, and yet their injections are at specific altitudes that could cause that particular broad-spreading phenomenon”.

    Indeed Henry, the carbon emissions from planes are much smaller than from ground and sea traffic, and other industrial pollution, but the effects from contrails in air suspension are MUCH greater in impact with regard to a reduction in albedo. This effect is due to jet engines only, there are no contrails with propeller engines – which actually have the opposite effect by breaking up clouds.

    I was in the UK for the entire period in 2010 when air traffic in Europe was grounded because of the Icelandic volcano (I can’t spell it let alone pronounce it!). The skies were crystal clear, I can not overstate this, I had never experienced this clarity before and it was breathtaking. As soon as the jets staring flying again, it was back to the usual old mush.

    When governments tax anything and everything they can, and they do, do you not ever stop to wonder why there is no tax or duty on jet fuel? If this is not geoengineering by stealth, I don’t know what is? And, it’s been going on for fifty years!

    2010 eruptions of Eyjafjallajökull

    Iceland volcano: imagine a world without planes

    Clear skies ahead – A cloud expert writes on life without the contrails

    Icelandic volcano: are you enjoying the clear skies?

    Volcanic Ash Cloud – No Planes – We Have No Clouds – April 2010

  • The Global Dimming
    The Saudis are going for broke.
    They need Paris to lead Europe into their war.

    You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to know this.

    According to green fanatics, solar energy is free and coal is dying.

    They won’t tell you about the certain resurgence of coal.

    All of our energy sources use more resources per energy extracted.

    We now use tons of water just to get natural gas.

    When U2’s Bono and Madonna chime in on Paris, you know it’s time to exit the news for a while.

    World War III has begun and it’s not nation on nation anymore.

    There won’t be a World War IV.

    Between the hellfire missiles and over the top wet bulb heating, I hope Israel and the Saudis can rest easy with their hell bent security insecurities.

  • We are pawns of the Israeli-Saudis determined to make the “holy” land a living hell on earth which will turn the whole planet into hell on earth.

    The middle east is filled with angry young boys who watch their families starve and get shot. They will not go quietly into the night.

  • Cuntagious and Milendia:

    I think I am in agreement with both of you. I posted an article at the beginning of this session wondering why there is no grief expressed for all the atrocities against non-europeans. Certainly, skimpy but no where near the magnitude of the Paris political tears.

    “”We are led to believe that U.S. wars are not tolerated and cheered because of the color or culture of the people being bombed and occupied. But let a relatively tiny number of people be murdered in a white, Christian, Western-European land, with a pro-war government, and suddenly sympathy is the order of the day.”


    “Now, 14 years into a global war on terror that reliably produces more terror, France is an enthusiastic invader, plunderer, bomber, and propagator of hateful bigotry. France also sells billions of dollars of weaponry to lovely little bastions of equality and liberty like Saudi Arabia, carefully ignoring Saudis’ funding of anti-Western terrorist groups.”

    Margaret Mead: Besides being an Episcopalian, who are famously bigoted and pompous, she was supported by the Rand Corp (Mead worked for the RAND Corporation, a U.S. Air Force military funded private research organization, from 1948 to 1950 to study Russian culture and attitudes toward authority.)one of the most famous of nefarious corporations. Come to think of it, aren’t they all.

    I also dislike, intensely, the over posters. This indicates a complete lack of manners and an inability to avert peeing in their pants. The stains are vulgar and odorific.

  • Callaghan, I knew that you were benevolently preverted & very semantic.

    I can see your firm commitment to paying attention to the meaning of simple words & facts.

    I am very semantic as well, using words to convey the proverbial “meaningful” message & information.

    Neither of us could be construed to be anti-semantic – that would “frame” the discussion as in Georgie Lakoff & completely shut down all communication.

    Getting labelled a hateful anti-semantic by doubting sacred semantics would be intellectual suicide.

    I just ignore it as a hasbara hacker & lawyer’s charade.

  • “ Now, 14 years into a global war on terror that reliably produces more terror, France is an enthusiastic invader, plunderer, bomber, and propagator of hateful bigotry. France also sells billions of dollars of weaponry to lovely little bastions of equality and liberty like Saudi Arabia, carefully ignoring Saudis’ funding of anti-Western terrorist groups.”

    Yeah, then why not go out and kill some people on a heavy metal concert or on a soccer game. But we can be happy:

    Obama, just like Bush, said that America will “hunt those terrorists down!”. Did you know how ISIS is funded?

    Oily Saudi Arabia always were in bed with USA and european countries.

    Terror is an evil game and it always has been. We will see more of it for sure.

  • The people behind terror and modern, globalist politics prefere radical constructivism:

    We know that from Orwell’s “1984” already. What’s the main premise? That we are all in it, we are all humans, all sinners, all murderers, all cancer. There is no real reality, because THEY make reality, muhahahaha 3:-)

  • Sorry, 3rd and last post for today:

    WE, the citizens are the terrorists who must be hunt down- that’s what THEY, the globalist leaders think.

  • I would be fascinated by any responses to Laura Gottesdiener’s macabre piece about two dramatically conflicting “stories.”

    … or you could call her piece a murder mystery or whodunit.

    Mystery stories are fun.

    Has anyone read Marvin Harris’s discussion about the conflicting stories in the famous movie Rashomon?

    Psy-ops genius, Air Force officer in Vietnam, & CIA agent; David Korten, preaches the new age mantra; “We all live by stories.”

    “Choose” your story, but whatever you do; choose very carefully.

  • OOps.. I got interrupted. Mark, thanks for those subsequent posts with the really creeepy stuff! Still, this all has to work with energy, mostly electricity. Here we often don’t have reliable grid power during winter storms (and that’s with things being “good”.. what will happen if there are food and/or money shortages that cause workers to cease utility maintenance?). Like in the nuclear arena, Tech can be just as much blind spot as a strength.

    Do you think this sort of article is disinformation?

    As for “Oppidum”.. far from Google hiding it, wasn’t it in Forbes magazine? Anyway, I think that is hilarious. Imagining a bunch of Goldman-Sachs alum in an underground commune fighting over who gets to use the sauna next…

    I think what is lacking with all of these “systems” is an understanding of the bigger picture and of the human element. I’m not sure they comprehend the sheer scale, either. The military already treats it underlings pretty poorly.. so if called to attack the domestic population mightn’t they just defect? Could they maintain a supply of drone/tech operators that would outstrip their rate of death by suicide?

    Important, I think, in this sort of confrontation, there’s no picture they can paint of what “winning” looks like. You might bust up a certain mob in a certain place, but that’s just playing Whack-A-Mole. If TPTB really had any sort of great power and wanted to make their lives easier, I don’t see why they haven’t already come up with a painless, bloodless way to reduce the human population. That might actually have been something worth working on, rather than GM tardigrades.

  • Thanks, Lidia. Your posts on this page make the most sense to me. Sometimes we need to stick with commonsense, however modest and unexciting it might seem.

  • “If TPTB really had any sort of great power and wanted to make their lives easier, I don’t see why they haven’t already come up with a painless, bloodless way to reduce the human population.”

    Is it that ever increasing population is good for business? And BAU seems to be a powerful, determining “force” that (through the MSM especially) wants to keep going at all costs? The declining EROEI is perhaps what it is trying to deny. The cognitive dissonance of all this induced denial (not that I know what would be the alternative to it) is what strikes me as essential PTB.

  • think i’ll get a cat for my lap. and for those of you who do not appreciate the language of great art…you’re only half human and you’re really missing. just as many answers… moma, nov. 15

  • yeah, boys and girls, the writing is on the walls.

  • .
    just sittin’ on this runaway train, staring out the window, with a cat on my lap…
    please, don’t have children…

  • @Artleads, well.. that’s the thing that makes me uncertain that TPTB really “know” anything in way that Guy or Mark imply that they do. I would love something more detailed because what I have heard up ’til now does not fill me with any kind of confidence. One would imagine that anyone in power would not be playing with silly toys but looking at ways to be more self-reliant and resilient, rather than doubling-down on BAU.

    It really does not appear to me that many of these “powerful” people can be rational actors, as they drive us toward a brick wall with their foot on the accelerator. So, another tick mark against the free will argument? I’m faking myself out here, I suppose!! …expecting rational behavior from irrational creatures following directives beyond their capacity for either perception or coherent response.

  • Like GUY I’m just a messenger so please don’t attribute any of the above info you can check facts on as stuff I approve. I’m on lunch break so I will provide a bit more from our data base of projects I can disclose.

    Photovelectric skin generates it’s own energy. Rather simple like plants producing chlorophyll. ART of SCIENCE graphene works like origami.

    Satellite phones do not require the Earth based cell tower network. Tesla-sats run on their own solar collectors for long time frames. The satellites deliver direct “signal” energy.

    Ferromagnetic materials are complex structures on the macro-, micro- and nanoscale self re-charge. Being able to create new metamaterials, engineered to have properties not usually found in natural materials, improves non-human operated control systems. The Ronald Regan center in D.C. is well equiped with nano sensors, stretchable electrodes that are to be further used in robotics & nanomanipulators, tiny machines that can move things around with nanometer precision.

    Stretchable A.I. connected electrodes allow for highly flexible electronics and sensors to be incorporated into synthetic skin, plants and most types of animal flesh, such as in Cyberbots and soldiers who have grafted artificial limbs that respond to their thought directives with full functionality. In application we could even visualize such flexible electrodes and sensors being used in (REDACTED for security)

    On the other hand I have no idea where enough of this material is being manufactured to become wide spread. Over a billion people in South East Asia where military-industral contracts are of less concern than in Western regions.

    Lidia also per your question above about disinfo I will answer you in private. An element of that subject would even be dangrous to talk about in the woods away from sensors. A portion of what I can say here involves them wanting you to think they have vast control. Some other parts are public info because they are no-longer in development due to next Gen ops. Personally my only real concern would be with an accidental release of Bio-H from Dugway base viral labs.

    Just like Guy once pointed out…”nobody is really in control”…”Mistakes will be made” Personally I’m just sharing this because some of it may give those who might want to survive a little longer some idea of how satellites will continue under self power. In some ways it might be better if things do unravel before the HHS systems (including bluebeam) continue to spread. Hell of a time to be here and see where things are going. Sorry but the only thing I do take responsibility for is the Dr. Steven Benner APPLIED MOLECULAR EVOLUTION project. The GMO Tardigrades only take effect to reduce radiation after humans are gone. Besides Germany being on track to decommission, and yes the main factor of removing rods to cooling tanks reduces their intense radioactivity in five years. Decommissioning takes 50 years due to milking it for money, jobs, safety studies, LAND USE appropriation, and scrubbing the cement down to non-hazardous waste. A world of complex technologies & process could be applied to much faster decommissioning if they was any one truly in charge with the will for faster change. Obviously everything I report is subject to a million interpretations & shades of grey factors. So lets go sailing. I LOVE you all much more than the Tardigrades or radiation that will remain.

  • or the Tardigrades will get loose and eat my radioactive brain the day after tomorrow. Schrodinger cat on my lap.

    BAU is much more prevalent than any control plan I can report. Mostly it’s all out of control because only 34 people on this Safety & Consequence management team are trying to keep tabs on 64 thousand different projects which rarely communicate with each other. Funding comes from many sources but keeping track is underfunded and not of major concern. In some ways Guy’s Monster climate Change updates are a more consistent place too keep track than the DoE data base. In fact we are primarily here for legal reasons that can be used to prove there was some oversight….or shred the evidence to say there was no proof. I works either way depending on the damage and determination to disprove or collect respiration costs.

    I know an old goat who swallowed a spider…why oh why swallow a spider to catch a fly ??? LOVE to hear what you all think but I will be a good bot and follow the 2 post rule. Cat back in the hat.

  • Guy; very much enjoyed (for as much as one can enjoy the topic) your interview with Alan. The rapport between you felt comfortable and relaxed. There were some good questions from callers and best of all it was nice to hear from Lidia!! The whole vibe left me wanting to move to Vermont and grow some food! Palatable NTE amidst the root vegetables . . . .

    The latest blowback of empire together with some of the comments related to PTB on this thread brought to mind this John Grant song:

  • Mapping is a weapon that only progressives refuse to employ.


    Thornton Residents Hope To Impose Moratorium On Oil, Gas Exploration
    by John Aguilar
    Thornton last week removed a map from its website that listed the home addresses of fracking opponents after residents complained that the disclosure amounted to an act of “intimidation.” “It was creepy, it was scary,” Rebecca Gregory, a resident of the Hunters Glen neighborhood, said of the map that pinpointed the addresses of 14 homeowners — including hers — who had contacted the city with concerns over proposed oil and gas drilling operations in and around Thornton. The map, which showed where the city’s active wells were and labeled the opponents’ houses as “addresses of interest,” was included in a packet of materials distributed to City Council members last week during a study session. The map was also posted online. “I thought the city was trying to map the addresses of the ‘trouble-makers’,” said Maria Orms, also a Hunters Glen resident and member of the newly formed anti-fracking group North Metro Neighbors for Safe Energy. “At first, people were astounded, and then they felt concerned. It felt like intimidation.” Mayor Heidi Williams said the publication of the addresses was an oversight. City staff was simply compiling contact information so that it could communicate with those concerned about several major drilling operations planned for pockets of unincorporated Adams County that border Thornton, she said. “I’m glad that the city took the map down,” Williams said. Last week’s brouhaha over oil and gas activity in Thornton is emblematic of the larger tension that exists in Colorado over mineral extraction near residential areas. Those opposed to drilling near neighborhoods say the activity poses potential health hazards. The industry challenges those claims, saying fracking has been employed safely for decades. Neighborhood angst over a proposed 20-well site in Wadley Farms, a parcel of unincorporated Adams County surrounded by Thornton, brought out hundreds of concerned residents to a public meeting in September. Residents in the northern suburbs have been coming to Adams County commissioner meetings urging the commissioners to study more closely the issue of fracking — whereby a mix of sand, water and chemicals in injected into the ground to crack rock and release oil and gas — before forging extraction agreements with oil and gas operators. Orms and Gregory are part of a growing movement in Thornton urging the city to pass a moratorium on any new oil and gas drilling permits. Hundreds of residents are expected to show up to the City Council meeting Tuesday to urge for a temporary fracking ban. It will be the final meeting of the current City Council. Several new council members are expected to be sworn in Nov. 24. Councilman Val Vigil, who said it was “inappropriate” for the city to post the addresses of anti-drilling residents on its website, said he favors a fracking moratorium. “I was elected to protect the citizens of the city — that is my charge,” he said. “I’m not here to represent oil companies and the industry.” Mayor Williams said she wants to see how the Colorado Supreme Court rules on the question of local control over drilling before mapping out an approach for Thornton. The court hasn’t yet set a date for arguments. Lower courts in Colorado have overturned drilling bans in Longmont, Lafayette and Ft. Collins. But Orms said the fight those communities put up was worth it all the same. “The cities that have passed moratoria are not being fracked,” she said.

  • As a current resident of Denver, I cannot understand how in the world frackers in Colorado would ever have positive cash flow. They’re destroying the environment and won’t even make much of a profit. They’re losing their touch, so to speak.

  • I just came across this article recently. Jim Marrs is tackling the question of TPTB. Hope the link works.

  • @ Mark Austin Says:
    November 16th, 2015 at 12:50 pm

    “… on the damage and determination to disprove or collect respiration costs.

    WTF???? What do YOU mean by “respiration costs“?

    @ Artleads Says:
    November 16th, 2015 at 2:47 pm

    Thanks! That IS funny as hell… but only if…
    [you] don’t want to start any blasphemous rumours
    But [you] think that God’s got a sick sense of humor
    And when [you] die [you] expect to find Him laughing

  • Guys’ position on Chemtrails or Geo-engineering

    From his 11/15/2015 interview on WGDR:

    “But the geo-engineering promoted by the chemtrail folks is imaginary.”
    “There is no evidence to support that idea. The approach has been thoroughly discredited in the scientific community. And if you want complete descriptions of how that fantasy, not reality, you can go to…because chemtrail science is not sciencl… or and you will find that all of the look-up-in-sky … is actually imaginary; is all an illusion and there hasn’t been a single journal article …well, there has been. It was retracted after it was published…so there is no unretracted paper on geo engineering in the way the caller thinks is going on.”

    It’s nice to get to the bottom of an issue and to file away yet another government-paid prog who whines about not getting paid and quotes Nietzsche reveals either a completely lazy and uninformed self-promoter or a paid government shill. We may indeed be further down the road than we think if acknowledging facts: that weather wars and geo-engineering (described as non-stop planes that are dropping mixtures of aluminum, barium, and strontium and other chemicals onto us, and yes, Guy, this has been not only proved, but are described in government documents. Check out Dane Wiggington, a frequent visitor on this same radio station.)

    The reason for your denial of reality isn’t really an issue. You are promoting lies. Keep it up, prog. That’s a good little prog.

  • Another meager comment, lacking evidence but citing authority, comes from MeagerOffering. For the facts about geoengineering, read my long essay on the matter: For the fantasy version, turn to Dane, promoter of chemtrails and other nonsense of his own imagination.

  • MeagerOffering Says: Check out Dane Wiggington.

    Like we haven’t heard THAT name mentioned before, MeagerOffering.

    deficient in quantity or quality; lacking fullness or richness; scanty; inadequate:

    The above definition is a pretty good summation of the offerings that you have provided us with, MeagerOffering.

  • There are times when I think the internet was created solely to overwhelm us with conflicting information and thus rob us of the ability to take a stand on anything.
    I wasn’t familiar with the chem trail controversy in any depth till I read D.W.’a essay here just after I found NBL.His video made a disturbing impression on me.
    What do you say to someone who watches a plane fly grid patterns in the sky? Your misinterpreting an otherwise legitimate activity.
    The Edward Abbey quote in the essay Guy linked to about a return to being self reliant farmers etc, was the only thing that was ever going to save us,from climate change,or TPTB,(whoever the fuck they are),IMO. Not enough of us did that and the rest doesn’t really matter now.
    Dug in six more fence posts this morning,day’s got wet and cold. Wood stove going, whiskey soon. Grateful for small mercies after Paris.

  • Temperatures at North Pole up to 35F warmer than average! 35 degrees! I guess some scientists must be baffled…

    the cat cooking on your lap

  • Emily Litella:
    What’s all this I hear about Kim trails??
    Didn’t Scotland Yard get the memo that Mr. Philby left the UK back in 1963?
    They’d be better off looking for Amelia Earhart’s plane or something.

    Don Pardo:
    Miss Litella, the controversy is about chemtrails, not ancient espionage.
    Some folks say ‘they’ are putting extra stuff into jet airplane exhausts.
    Dropping particulate matter at 35,000 feet in order to reflect some of the incoming solar energy…or perhaps to do something less benevolent.

    Emily Litella:
    Well, that’s very different…nevermind…and now here’s our musical guest.

    Some silver here, but nothing colloidal.

  • 44 south, your comment reminded me of this mini Doc by Adam Curtis.

  • Reparation costs. Sue spell check or me for not using spell check. pass the buck. REPARATION when there is a superfund clean up and you want some Corp to pay for the Federal costs. It’s all a bit taxing. Gerald will explain all about the lawyerfish swimming around each project. All 65,732 projects have their own supervisors, safety, ad-visors & council. Gawd forbid we are the only ones…except on an overall national level.

    Now for something really silly on my own time. All of this was created just so I could visit Lidia for an hour and collect her DNA. We are not decommissioning Vermont Yankee. It’s a secret facility to grown a hundred Lidia clones. She’s smart. She’s fun. we want to work copies of her. The Borg are boring. We lost control and can never explain.

    Misspelling (Tori Spelling) & mistakes will be made. Have we done our worse yet? I wonder what this switch does ??? May a few laughs remain

  • Daniel,

    Thick as…a brick in a mirrored fun house?

    Meltin’ in a pot of thieves
    Wild card up my sleeve
    Thick heart of stone
    My sins my own
    They belong to me, me

    Welcome to the N-dimensional hall of mirrors.

    I learned about Dr. Wood and John Hutchison from Jesse Ventura’s TV show some time ago.

    I don’t recall where, but I read that there are seismographs in the NYC area and that they did not show the data that would have been expected if the WTC complex had fallen in a way consistent with the government version of events.

    I guess dust doesn’t have the same impact as that 16-ton weight we used to see on the Monty Python show. (I’m resisting the near-overwhelming temptation to put a YT clip of Bowie’s “Ashes to Ashes” right about here.)

    You say you doubt anyone knows who TPTB are at this point.
    Well, there have been many powers that be throughout history, so maybe the first step in semantic clarity might be to drop that “The” word and speak of the different groups involved.
    Clearly (to me anyway), the folks that brought the directed energy equipment to the 9/11 story need to be regarded as A Power That Be, if not The only one.
    Politicians (and their owners) form another group that has some power.
    There may be one or more groups loosely affiliated with the government doing research on spooky stuff like anti-gravity and directed energy weaponry.
    Whoever dustified the towers didn’t build their gear from a Heath-kit.

    As far as how long they’ve been able to pull off these sorts of false-flag schemes, don’t forget about our own, homemade and delicious Operation Northwoods…it almost got a green light.

    I’ve put my toe in the water of a few esoteric swimming pools, and can recommend another couple or three avenues and alleys you might essay, during daylight hours and without cash hanging out of your pockets, natch.

    I haven’t read it, but I’ve read enough of his work to expect it to be encyclopedic and mostly accurate. Subtitle is “Conspiracies, Cults, and Cover-ups”. Surprisingly, it’s available via the publisher’s website in pdf format. I guess now I’ll have to read it too. Bottom line is that there is not A Conspiracy operating, but multiple conspiracies…often allied with one another, but often at odds.

    You are in what R.A. Wilson refers to as the “Chapel Perilous” stage, where you have been presented with unassailable evidence that something you thought was impossible…just happened…and your mental/cultural toolkit just doesn’t have a spanner quite wide enough to help you get your mind around the new facts.

    But you seem to have survived UFOs and the WTC freak show with your mind more or less intact, so, once you reach some sort of equilibrium and feel like you’re ready for the next step (call it “Cathedral Dire” if you prefer more sedate terminology…or The Batshit Basilica if you didn’t leave your sense of humor back there in the Chapel)…jump right into the swimming pool marked “Montauk”.

    Well, maybe start off with some material about what is usually referred to as The Philadelphia Experiment. If that doesn’t, as the old Beach Boys song goes, flip your lid…move on to Montauk. (The Montauk material I have read says that Tesla was originally involved with the Philadelphia Experiment, but backed away from it because the Navy’s timetable was so aggressive that Tesla thought the humans involved would be at great hazard.)

    Oh, apropos the question of how long they’ve been feeding us horseshit and keeping us in the dark, let’s end on a fun note just a few years later than the 1962 Operation Northwoods. Put the following into your Google search box: “Bryan Texas bolt action rifle suicide”…then look at “Estes documents”, which should be just a couple of hits down from the top of the page. Then play the clip below, where my late friend Ron Shock, decades later, demonstrates the implausibility of the official story.

  • @infanttyrone

    Welcome to the N-dimensional hall of mirrors.

    Miraculous coincidence! I wrote a comment about “The Hall of Mirrors”, Robert Anton Wilson and the Black iron Prison some hours ago, but sent it to Nirvana because of the 2-post rule. Now you speak about the very same 8-) The Black iron Prison, a Touch of the Con:

    Oh, apropos the question of how long they’ve been feeding us horseshit and keeping us in the dark, let’s end on a fun note just a few years later than the 1962 Operation Northwoods.

    And it dates back much, much longer^^

    Meltin’ in a pot of thieves
    Wild card up my sleeve
    Thick heart of stone
    My sins my own
    They belong to me, me

    I sign that.

    Bottom line is that there is not A Conspiracy operating, but multiple conspiracies…often allied with one another, but often at odds.

    That’s what R. A. Wilson said. That’s the way it is.

    @Gerald Spezio

    Excellent comment!

  • Apneaman.

    Thanks for the reminder. We are so overloaded with information we forget some things we’ve seen.

    The masses in the developed world believe the lies, and interpret everything as being basically alright because fuel has gone down in price.

    WTI $41.74

    Brent $44.65


    I am.

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