Radio Interviews

My 11 December 2015 radio interview with Michael Welch of Global Research is linked here with a description, and my portion is all here, with thanks to Marc Haneburght for editing out the other bits

I was interviewed by Press TV on 12 December 2015: Humans will go extinct soon because of global warming

As always, the schedule of topics for forthcoming episodes of the radio show is posted beneath the tab at the top of the page titled, “Radio Archive and Recent Video.” Please help us out, especially with episodes that focus on criticism of so-called climate scientists.

I’m scheduled to deliver a webinar at 1:00 p.m. Eastern on Wednesday, 27 January 2016. Click here for details about “The Twin Sides of the Fossil-Fuel Coin: How Net Energy Decline Interacts with Abrupt Climate Change.”

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  • The Siege of Miami
    As temperatures climb, so, too, will sea levels.

    http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/12/21/the-siege-of-miami

  • @mt COP21 farce has concluded. We are pretend saved. Now go home and pretend to be happy.

    Farce is the perfect word for it. Yesterday when I saw John Kerry’s speech ‘celebrating’ the agreement, with all the delegates applauding, all I could think was “is this guy for real?”

    If I didn’t believe it’s most likely already too late to forestall NTHE I’d be more exasperated. Basically, COP21 gives us ‘promises’ that the world will somehow reduce CO2 emissions 70% by 2050!?! Really? How about enacting a tax on CO2 emitting fuels this year. Which tax would then increase annually to facilitate the rapid move away from fossil fuels. But of course that won’t happen. Instead we get to celebrate that we’ll miraculously solve things by 2050. Someone pass me the hopium pipe.

  • word press are idiots – why I don’t like Klein’s points

    the tax has to be 100% private citizen 0% corporate governance

    Bernie sanders is 50% government 40 private citizen

    this is wrong

    period

    exclamation mark

    question exclamation marks

  • math and English were never the best things I was ever of

  • Bernie 60
    moooks 40

    you may have to reload to poost

  • a larger than life job done incrementally daily is a day well won

  • this can lead u & astray

  • I see what you’re trying to do here Robert, but it won’t work … you still make more sense than the COP21 and Naomi.

  • Robert: Have you ever come across any of e.e. cummings poetry?

    http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/e/eecummin161592.html

    To be nobody but yourself in a world which is doing its best, night and day, to make you everybody else means to fight the hardest battle which any human being can fight; and never stop fighting.

    e. e. cummings

  • Did I forget the smiley winky face?
    I got re-loaded to poost this.

  • “If I didn’t believe it’s most likely already too late to forestall NTHE I’d be more exasperated.”

    Its actually “agreements” such as this makes me suspect that near term human extinction will actually happen in somewhere close to Guy’s timeline.

    For those who haven’t been following, the Paris summit set somewhat more ambitious emissions targets than in the past, made compliance voluntary, and then delayed even voluntary compliance until after 2020. Its almost like they are dropping a big hint. It was an agreement to do nothing.

    Now if they were dealing with what they were supposed to be dealing with, very serious (but not fatal to the existence of the human species) ecological damage that could still be fixed in time, then this summit would have produced actual measures to prevent or correct the damage. Historically, governments have been able to successfully address environmental issues. Its only in recent decades, as the worldwide environmental situation got really, really bad, that they stopped doing this.

    This leads me to conclude that its the extremists at either end of the climate change debate that are correct. Either there is no environmental damage at all, and this is a big hoax, or the damage is so extensive that there is nothing that can prevent our exit in a couple of decades, so why bother? It has to be one or the other. But I’ve noticed that governments are beginning to stop, well, govern.

  • PRN FM live stream
    Without Adobe Flash: i.e. will work in IOS as in iPad & iPhone.

  • @Ed “For those who haven’t been following, the Paris summit set somewhat more ambitious emissions targets than in the past, made compliance voluntary, and then delayed even voluntary compliance until after 2020. Its almost like they are dropping a big hint. It was an agreement to do nothing.”

    Yup, a massive exercise in futility. Surely these folks know what the score is (as you suggest). The only thing I can figure is they want to keep the masses from panicking. Hence the *appearance* of taking corrective action. The only remedy to such bullshit is to broadcast Guy’s message of NTHE far and wide.

    We’re done as a species. It’s over. Don’t reproduce and don’t smoke the hopium. Live a life of excellence, while minimizing the suffering of other life forms. Nothing else makes any sense at this point.

  • Getting closer to “book ’em Danno” (SLC Fingerprints R Us).

  • I don’t think I have felt more disconnected from my species than I did when
    watching the celebrations after the Paris conference. Smiles and back-clapping,some people weeping. It has been said that at times nations go insane. I think this could be an example of a civilisation going insane.
    It is as if we have now entered a world where physical reality doesn’t matter. Only aspirations matter. We have signed an agreement stating that
    we want to limit temperature rise to 1.5 degrees C. Let’s celebrate.
    No doubt most here understand the brief points I will make below,but here goes anyway.
    Let’s make the optimistic assumption that the current fossil fuel technology can be replaced by new technology using electricity and hydrogen. The electricity and hydrogen are supplied by a combination of Thorium reactors,fusion reactors,solar and wind,etc.
    The energy requirements of constructing all the required infrastructure
    for the population we now have would take us well over 500ppm.
    Then we have the entropy law to deal with. All that infrastructure doesn’t last forever,and nothing can be recycled with 100% efficency,and all recycling requires energy input.
    Shortage of the required materials will be an increasingly difficult problem. Minerals have to be sufficiently concentrated to be extractable,otherwise the energy requirements to extract them becomes
    prohibitive,and the same goes for accessibility.
    This is just scratching at the surface,but it is insane to think that we
    can limit the temperature increase to 1.5 degrees C and still maintain industrial civilisation.

  • The interview was good. COPOUT21 was GaGa

  • Apneaman- Thanks for the New Yorker article. Interesting stuff, even if it also includes the ever-obligatory “unless things change, here’s what will happen…” Seems like no one ever wants to accept things for how they already are.

    You would think this song was written for doomers haha:

    Well you won’t see it coming
    Well you won’t see it coming
    And you won’t see it coming
    Till it comes

    And there’s no need in money
    And there’s no need in running
    And there’s no need for nothing
    When it comes

    Why’d you have to get me down

    Well you won’t need money
    Well you won’t need money
    When it comes

  • By the way (and I know I’m being nitpicky and no one else even gives a shit, but still it irks me) the lyrics are actually:

    Well you won’t see it coming
    And you won’t feel it coming
    And you won’t know it’s coming
    Till it comes

    And there’s no need in money
    And there’s no need in running
    And there’s no need for nothing
    When it comes

    Why’d you have to get me
    Why’d you have to get me
    Why’d you have to get me
    down

    Well you won’t need money
    Well you won’t need money
    Well you won’t need money
    When it comes

    Why’d you have to get me
    Why’d you have to get me
    Why’d you have to get me
    down

    Well you won’t see it coming
    And you won’t feel it coming
    And you won’t know it’s coming
    Till it comes

  • Dr. Mann is full of hopium again. At least Dr. Hanson admits COP21 was a fraud
    on humanity. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-e-mann/paris-climate-change_b_8799764.html

  • .
    I care babajingo. Although, I have sort of at least felt it coming for awhile now.

    Hey, did you hear about that new book out by david higham?

    “It is as if we have now entered a world where physical reality doesn’t matter. Only aspirations matter.”

    A Civilization Gone Insane.

    .
    Shortest, but best fucking book ever, exposing a great truth. I hope lots of people read it.

    🙁

    Don’t forget … the new Trans Pacific Partnership trade deal exempts all the major corporations from any and all climate accords anyway. It even exempts them from being bound by local environmental regulations and state laws too. So, regardless of whatever they came up with or didn’t in Paris, it was all just a big taxpayer funded propaganda play anyway. It was just a big orchestrated theatre show, with a staged attack right before the event even; one that excused sweeping away inconvenient protesters who might have raised awareness of nasty things like NTE.

    The TPP deal meant Paris was pointless and useless before anyone even showed up.

    .
    But yes, let’s do celebrate. Yay! Get the cake Marie, yes … quick, oh do get us some cake would you? Oh my goodness hooray! How’s my hair, do I look alright? Oh, just simply hooray I say. Let’s make it look good for the people now. Smile and wave darling! Hello! Hello people! Oh yes, hello people! Hello!

    .
    Light that joint would ya?

  • I just saw an article on Common Dreams (I won’t link to it, I did not click on it), titled, ‘Paris Agreement Will Not Stop Climate Change, But People Power Can”.

    Holy fuck. Really? People power? I mean… seriously? Makes me want to scream! Can’t you all just fucking stop?! Please just stop.

    Reminded of the Protestant paradox: Don’t just do something, sit there.

    I think more of us should just stop doing & sit there. Stare at your fucking navel, or something. Just stop doing.

  • The cognitive dissonance that enshrouds our days is certainly bewildering.

    I have spent some time today watching a documentary about Ishi, the last speaker of the Yahi language. I had seen the book around over the years and always had it on my list – but the documentary is serious, sensitive, well done.
    It prompted me to do more research on “last speakers of his/her language”, a topic I have followed on and off for many years. Imagine what it must be like to be the last speaker of a language. Of course we know there are many reasons that languages die out.

    Often the primary reason is slaughter. The Beothuks of Canada’s eastern seaboard, the Tasmanians, the natives of California, (name a continent) hunted like animals: scalps & bounties.

    Truganini (Tasmania), by the time she was taken into “civilized society” in 1829, “her mother had been killed by sailors, her uncle shot by a soldier, her sister abducted by sealers, and her fiancé brutally murdered by timber cutters, who then repeatedly sexually abused her.”

    Ishi (America), the last Yahi Indian, survived the Three Knolls massacre by diving into an icy stream with his mother. At that time in California the bounties were 50 cents per scalp and 5 dollars per head – men, women, children.
    He survived with a small group in the wilderness for 40 years, avoiding white people at all costs. He walked out of the wilderness because he had by then been alone for four years and was starving. Subsequent time spent with researchers revealed his incredible survival skills (including expert flint-knapping) yet he had by then started to starve.

    The events that led to his embrace by “civilized culture” happened like this:
    “In late 1908, a group of surveyors came across the camp inhabited by a man, a young girl, and an elderly native woman — Ishi, his younger sister, and his elderly mother, respectively. The former two fled while the latter hid herself in blankets to avoid detection, as she was sick and unable to flee. The surveyors ransacked the camp and Ishi’s mother died soon after his return.”
    The “civilized men” apparently shook the blankets and tumbled her out upon the ground (near death, just skin and bones).
    The “surveyors”, whose names are probably on record somewhere, treated these people like vermin, ransacked their camp, took robes, bows, arrows, etc., as “souvenirs” and left the survivors to fend off the encroaching winter.

    So I have spent some hours today reading about and thinking about what it is like to be the last speaker of a language no one else understands, a world view no one else shares.
    Ironically, the name Ishi which means “man” was given to him by “us”. And it is probably an interesting insight into his grief to be known as “the man” by people so different from yourself. A kind of loneliness it is hard to imagine. If he is “the man” what are they?

    Oh, and just last year:

    http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2014/01/07/260555554/what-happens-when-a-languages-last-monolingual-speaker-dies

    Anyhoo, so I kept reading and then came across this (which I remember reading way back in ’11):

    http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/04/18/last-two-speakers-of-dying-language-refuse-to-talk-to-each-other/

    And I laughed out loud. Romantic and heartfelt notions of sorrow, guilt, washed away in a moment by a story of simple human pig-headedness. (Sorry, pigs.)

    Then I logged on to NBL and saw “islandraider’s” post – and I had to laugh again.

    In Paris, we just witnessed the most profound cognitive dissonance in the history of …. oh, who gives a f… – whenever, whatever.

    To quote Ebeneezer Scrooge: “I’ll retire to bedlam.”

  • This is Hell!
    Extinction level eventuality: Why civilization must die before it’s too late

    “Writer Roy Scranton explains why he sees death when he looks to civilization’s future – from national political systems unable to address the looming, global threat of climate change, to our failure on an individual level to move behind ethnic and national arrangements as a globalized earth grows more chaotic – and how we have a choice between the death of our current way of life, or the death of our species itself.

    Roy is author of Learning to Die in the Anthropocene: Reflections on the End of a Civilization from City Lights.”

  • WoodWose Says:
    I have spent some time today watching a documentary about Ishi, the last speaker of the Yahi language.

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    Good to read your summary and thoughts, WoodWose. Fascinating to think about the last speakers of age-old languages.

    A while back, I had also watched “Ishi, the last Yahi” with keen interest. One of his observations that’s been etched in my mind ever since I watched that excellent documentary is when Ishi was first brought to the city of San Francisco. He mentions he had never seen or imagined so many people in one place. Now, having grown up in India with crowds and crowds of people everywhere, where the idea of “personal space” is simply non-existent, I can’t imagine early 20th century San Francisco to have been all that crowded. But to Ishi, and to most tribal people who live in bands of 50 to 150, it must have been quite a stretch to behold such a spectacle. What Ishi was getting a glimpse of was a malignant formation of human beings!

    His tribe’s displacement and eventual extermination is related to the growth of such malignant tumors on the face of the planet, places we call towns and cities. Just as a tumor in the human body builds its supply lines and draws resources from surrounding healthy tissue, including building elaborate networks of blood vessels that feed its growth, a city draws resources from hundreds and even thousands of miles around to support its expansion, horizontally and vertically. An excellent description of this process is provided by Gray Brechin in “Imperial San Francisco: Urban Power, Earthly Ruin” (http://www.ucpress.edu/book.php?isbn=9780520250086) I haven’t been able to look at cities the same way since I came across this book.

    When I first came to the US, I landed in Atlanta, GA. While being driven through midtown and downtown, I was awestruck by the high-rises. I had never been so up close to buildings that towered over 100 storeys. The midtown skyline was simply majestic, especially at dark, with the light behind every glass window twinkling like the ray of a distant star. The Atlanta skyline didn’t cease to amaze me the entire time I was there getting a graduate degree in Civil Engineering. Mega towers of that sort were a testament to man’s ingenuity and technological prowess. If anyone would be proud of such colossal structures, it would be a young Civil Engineer.

    Little did I know that I would read a book or see a documentary years later that would forever change in my mind what that skyline represents. Little did I suspect that my worldview would change so drastically as to view professional Civil Engineers as certified planet wreckers! Or for that matter, any kind of engineer!

    What I didn’t understand then, but now do in hindsight, is that this process of centralization has repeated all over the world with mega cities drawing resources from areas far and near. Most mega cities rely on smaller satellite cities and towns to make their own growth even more efficient. I find it fascinating to think all this has happened in just the last 200 years (0.1% of the total time we’ve been around, that time when all our ancestors lived like Ishi and his tribesmen)

    Now that we have succeeded in converting the planet into one giant city, we’re getting ready to extract resources from other planets and asteroids – http://www.wired.com/2012/04/planetary-resources-asteroid-mining/ The human cancer is set to spread beyond the mothership. That is, if we survive long enough.

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    islandraider Says:
    Reminded of the Protestant paradox: Don’t just do something, sit there.

    I think more of us should just stop doing & sit there. Stare at your fucking navel, or something. Just stop doing.

    —-

    Best and most timely advice ever to humans! Thank you!

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    david higham Says:
    I don’t think I have felt more disconnected from my species than I did when
    watching the celebrations after the Paris conference. Smiles and back-clapping,some people weeping. It has been said that at times nations go insane. I think this could be an example of a civilisation going insane.
    It is as if we have now entered a world where physical reality doesn’t matter. Only aspirations matter. We have signed an agreement stating that
    we want to limit temperature rise to 1.5 degrees C. Let’s celebrate.

    —-

    David, I feel the same way. Civilization has gone insane. I have felt quite disconnected from fellow human beings for some time now.

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    I think the skepticism directed in recent comments here toward the McKibbens and Kleins of the world and toward organizations such as 350.org is well-justified. Cory Morningstar has done extensive research on McKibben’s links to big everything – http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/05/17/mckibbens-divestment-tour/

    I used to wonder how we humans have managed to destroy the planet the most in the most recent 50-100 years when most of the large conservation organizations were around – Sierra Club (founded 1892), The Nature Conservancy (founded 1951), WWF (founded 1961), Greenpeace (founded 1969). etc.

    One way to look at it is – “the damage would have been worse had they not existed, and that they tried their best”. That would give them the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps that’s a partially valid position to take on one or two of the organizations or even all of them for the first so many years after founding. And I wanted to believe that. But I was naive. The more accurate interpretation is, at least a few of them helped the process of environmental devastation and in fact, at least a few of them were created by the powers that be to specifically channel their opposition’s energies into well-defined pathways that such NGOs offer. Rulers have long ago figured out that they need to be in control of dissident voices and energies. And the best way to be in control of them is to create them, or co-opt them and finance them. Let’s just say this is probably something a sociopath elite-in-the-making grasps fairly quickly and early. As far as I remember, they didn’t offer Statecraft 101 in college. So we refer to sources such as http://www.wrongkindofgreen.org/ where a number of investigative reports have been published just on Greenpeace alone: http://www.wrongkindofgreen.org/?s=greenpeace

    So we see these very idealistic young men and women who do really care for nature and what’s happening to her ending up on street corners in ritzy downtowns across Silicon Valley selling memberships to Greenpeace! Idealism watered down, enthusiasm contained, energy absorbed, business as usual continues. I have often stopped to talk to them. They tell me what’s going on in the world. And I try to tell them what’s really going on in the world, at which point they say something about making their quotas and having work to do.

    Let’s take a look at who’s heading The Nature Conservancy? “The Nature Conservancy is led by President and CEO Mark Tercek, a former managing director at Goldman Sachs, and an adjunct professor at the New York University Stern School of Business.” We have a bankster leading one of the largest, most well-funded environmental non-profit outfits in the world. Tercek came to the Google campus a couple of years back to promote his book “Nature’s Fortune”. In the Q&A period after the talk, I asked him a question which he deftly evaded.

    The description of this book at http://www.marktercek.com/ starts off asking “What is nature worth?” More words of wisdom follow – “In Nature’s Fortune, Mark Tercek, CEO of The Nature Conservancy and former investment banker, and science writer Jonathan Adams argue that nature is not only the foundation of human well-being, but also the smartest commercial investment any business or government can make…. Who invests in nature, and why? What rates of return can it produce? When is protecting nature a good investment?”

    At a time when bankers are taking over conservation NGOs and promoting new ways of slicing and dicing the last remaining “assets” and putting them up for sale on the chopping block of the free market, futility, fraud and farce are all appropriate descriptors of the Paris talks.

    Thanks for reading. How about some gallows humor to cheer up to? http://www.goingkuku.com/2015/12/350-and-other-such-numbers.html

  • islandraider – that’s why I only read commie dreams when I need anger inspiration

    the never ending surge talk is McKibben-Klein speak. you can almost hear Kibby gets a woody and Klein’s honey drip.

    why do I hate them? because they threw their support behind the Sanders-Boxer bill that would give the government three-fifths of any future carbon taxes. the government would then hand it over their favorite version of Solyndra to support companies like GE and Seimens.

    James Hansen is diametrically opposed to this. Kibby kept pestering Hansen for what he considered a “safe” C02 number, which at the time, Hansen thought was 350 ppm. Kibby took the number and ran with it to form 350-dot-org.

    Kibby then stood in front of the white house for a photo op with Hansen, after which he immediately threw his support behind the Sanders-Boxer bill. He and Klein are fucking media whore opportunists.

    they just repeat their talking points over and over, regardless of the facts that counter or change them. they are dangerous tools that spoon feed delusions.

  • you are told that you have to pay way more for your electrical bill, so that the government can give money to poor countries rife with corruption. we are told that if we don’t agree with, then we are “bad”. this is the kind of argument I would expect from a brainless idiot. it doesn’t matter how much of your money is stolen, because whatever’s left over is all meant for GE operations in China when they buy a couple of wind turbines and solar panels for show. this delusion, more than anything else, is why we are truly fucked.

  • the number one cause of climate change and mass extinction is eating meat. if we think 7 billion people are going to stop eating meat and wasting food, then we are totally fucking delusional. you’ll never hear Klein-McKibben say this because focus groups have shown it doesn’t play well when it comes to donations.

    to get a real sense of the massively pervasive level of deception in the so-called “green” groups watch the video, Cowspiracy, on Netflix now.

  • McKibben-Klein try to make us believe that we are already half way to a 100% renewable energy world. nothing could be further from the truth because after 20 years of trying, renewable energy has reached 3% of total energy demand, up from 1%, and the only reason we reached 3% is because places like Europe get 50% of their “renewable” energy from burning wood pellets and palm oil. burning palm oil in German diesel cars is sooooo bad that they decided NOT to increase the amount of palm oil they burn from 5% up to 7%. this is called progress. if you notice that I repeat myself a lot, then you may also have noticed so does FOX news, CNN, Bill McKibben and Naomi Klein.

  • Apneaman Says:
    December 14th, 2015 at 5:28 pm

    The interview was good. COPOUT21 was GaGa
    ================================
    Well said.

  • Roy Scranton interview above (courtesy Apneaman) is interesting but continues to elicit feelings of cognitive dissonance for me . … . Scranton states that civilization is dead, unsustainable etc. etc. and even (you’ll like this part R.C.) calls out Naomi Klein for her belief that social movements can make a difference in changing a system that is already in the throes of a death rattle.

    BUT Scranton speaks of a FUTURE for humans.

    Scranton encourages us to find meaning through philosophy and learning how to die (in a more collaborative way?). He ends the interview speaking of a “bridge to the future for other humans”. Therein lies the rub and more cognitive dissonance for me as I do not see a future for humans.

    Scranton brought to mind the philosopher Victor Frankl who keyed in on “man’s search for meaning” in dark times.
    Frankl had a model of therapy for people struggling with loss of meaning in life. His therapy focused on: “identifying a purpose in life to feel positively about, and then immersively imagining that outcome. According to Frankl, the way a prisoner imagined the future affected his longevity.”

    Frankl lived (and found meaning) in a world that had a CO2 level of approx. 311. In a world that was not officially the Sixth Great Extinction of the Anthropocene.
    I believe his premise about finding meaning was easier to impart in a world that wasn’t dying (well yes, it was but it wasn’t obvious at the time!)

    At the time people could actually visualize a future even if life at the present was filled with suffering and despair.

    Scranton (unless I read this wrong) appears to be doing the same thing when he speaks of “building this bridge” to the future.

    As far as I can tell, humans have no future and we—-those of us who get this—-are witness to the suffering of life on earth due to human’s greed, stupidity whatever the hell you want to call it (limited cognitive ability? limited ability for long term thinking? limited capacity for compassion/empathy, self sacrifice?).

    So a big thanks to Guy for continuing to speak the truth—— a truth that assuages (even if only temporarily for me as I regress from time to time) that most unpleasant state of cognitive dissonance that as Woodwose states above, “enshrouds our days”.

    Satish, Dave —-yes, “civilization has gone insane. I have felt quite disconnected from fellow human beings for some time now.”

  • @Callaghan “the never ending surge talk is McKibben-Klein speak. you can almost hear Kibby gets a woody and Klein’s honey drip.”

    How much longer before they decide to produce a love child?

    Meanwhile RobertScribbler has never sounded so glum: https://robertscribbler.com/2015/12/14/1-06-c-above-1880-climate-year-2015-shatters-all-previous-records-for-hottest-ever-recorded/

    Deep down Scribs must know the jig’s up. Even if he honestly believes it’s *technically* possible to avert NTHE (if only we do x,y,z), he has to know that we won’t take the actions he believes are necessary for survival.

    How much longer before he decides to get a vasectomy?

  • lol – stop it cunty, it would be a demon seed

  • Comments like those above (R.C. and C) remind me of the bullying that went on in middle school. I guess being aware of NTE doesn’t necessarily equate with kindness and maturity. Don’t know what the point of cruel words are except some sort of temporary relief, I guess

  • Kevin Moore,

    Who u gonna believe? John Trudell or Thomas Sowell??

  • Powell is a paid creep worse than Crapper.

  • That’s Sowell.

  • Hey this is fun!

  • If u can beat the time-out!

  • .

    Every time I think about it I want to cry
    With the bombs and the devils
    And the kids keep coming
    Nowhere to breathe easy…no time to be young
    But I tell myself that I’m doing alright
    There’s nothing left to do tonight but go crazy on you

    Wild man’s world is crying in pain
    What you gonna do when everybody’s insane
    So afraid of fortune, so afraid of you
    What you gonna do?
    Crazy on you, let me go crazy on you

    I was willow last night in my dream
    I bent down over a clear running stream
    I sang you the song that i heard up above
    And you keep me alive with your sweet flowing love
    Crazy, crazy on you,
    Let me go crazy, crazy on you

    .
    And regardless, Mother Nature just keeps on loving us right back anyway, hey?

    Well, some of us I guess.

    I suppose there’s a lesson in that somewhere.

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    .

    .

  • @ Cuntagoius “Surely these folks know what the score is” That`s Incorrect they are buffoons They don`t know squat shit .. All these people who have been negotiating living privileged life`s in the north . Those in the darker south who are somewhat impacted have either no say and can`t effect change since they are the underdeveloped areas and classes . Now the north is still barely impacted right now it is winter when they go outside it is cold there is precipitation etc . There is no impact on them yet at all .. Sure some scientists are telling it wont be ok after some times but that`s not enough incentive to alarm them and there are the other scientist who say that`s all ok .. So there is no immediate urgency to change course that`s why it is postponed And it is postponed thru these make-believe agreements mostly because they cant feel the effects yet and before-mentioned reasons . This is psychological . Until there is no serious negative impacts people here in the north can feel nothing will be done .

  • david higham’s comment on aspiration sent me off on all sorts of mental tangents. The analogy that came to mind was COP21 and new year’s eve. You know when everyone has been well into their cups and have already made at least a half dozen resolutions and everyone is high fiving and congratulating each other as if they are a done deal?

    21st century man – drunk on aspirations.

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  • Caroline’s comments hurt my feeling.

    You Have No Clue How Much Green NGOs Lie To You
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    The number one source of GHG emissions is from human livestock who are responsible for 51% of all emissions says the WorldWatch Institute. Green NGOs know this, but refuse to acknowledge it because of the ill effect it has on fundraising. You will never hear Greenpeace say that 51% of emissions comes from eating meat. You can get a real sense of what lengths green NGOs will go to ignore this fundamental fact by watching “Cowspiracy” on Netflix now. Humans and our livestock occupy 97% of all land-air vertebrate biomass. Humans and livestock caused 80% of all land-air species extinctions. Despite all this, do you seriously think 7 billion people will stop eating meat and wasting food?

    The other big lie green NGOs perpetuate is how far along and easy a renewable energy transition will be. After 20 years of trying renewable energy has gone from 1% of TOTAL energy demand to 3% of TOTAL energy demand. As Vaclav Smil will tell you, a 100% renewable energy transition will take many generations and trillions of dollars. 50% of Northern Europe’s “renewable” energy comes from burning wood pellets they import from all over the world. 5% of Northern Europe’s diesel fuel is made of palm oil and soy oil imported from Indonesia and Brazil. There are about a half-dozen mega cities where solar-wind power is not practical like Dhaka. Do you think building a solar farm in Miami makes any sense, whatsoever? Do you think solar panels in Miami will stop it from going underwater? Do you think wind turbines can stay standing in the new era of super storms?

    The newest lie propagated by green NGOs is that economic growth has decoupled from emissions growth. One month after China admitted that they lied about how much coal they actually burn, a study was released telling us that coal use is down while economic growth is up. If you believe economic data out of China, then you are monumentally stupid.

    James Hansen wants you to get 100% of your carbon taxes.
    James Hansen wants corporations and governments to get 0% of your carbon taxes.
    Bill McKibben and Naomi Klein want the government to get 60% of your carbon taxes.
    Then they want to give this money to corrupt regimes in poorer countries.
    They call this justice, and if you don’t support it, then you are “bad”.
    Hansen says the Paris agreement is a fraud. Green NGOs say its a start.
    Now, instead of a conference of parties every year, we’ll have them every 5 years.

    Here’s what’s really happening:

    50% of Forest Bird species will go extinct in 50 years.

    60% of Flower species will go extinct in 50 years.

    50% of Mega Cities will go extinct in 50 years.

    90% of Soil will go extinct in 50 years.

    40% of Humanis will not have enough water in 15 years.

    100% – Ocean Acidification doubles by 2050,

    200% – Ocean Acidification triples by 2100.

    99% of Rhinos gone since 1914.

    97% of Tigers gone since 1914.

    90% of Lions gone since 1993.

    90% of Sea Turtles gone since 1980.

    90% of Monarch Butterflies gone since 1995.

    90% of Big Ocean Fish gone since 1950.

    80% of Antarctic Krill gone since 1975.

    80% of Western Gorillas gone since 1955.

    60% of Forest Elephants gone since 1970.

    50% of Great Barrier Reef gone since 1985.

    80% of Western Gorillas gone since 1955.

    40% of Giraffes gone since 2000.

    30% of Marine Birds gone since 1995.

    70% of Marine Birds gone since 1950.

    28% of Land Animals gone since 1970.

    28% of All Marine Animals gone since 1970.

    97% – Humans & Livestock are 97% of land-air vertebrate biomass.

    0.01% – 10,000 years ago we were 0.01% of land-air vertebrate biomass.

    1,000,000 humans, net, are added to earth every 4½ days.

    Other than that everything is fine.

    http://www.vox.com/2015/12/8/9873372/emissions-drop-2015

  • @Caroline:“Comments like those above (R.C. and C) remind me of the bullying that went on in middle school. . . . Don’t know what the point of cruel words are except some sort of temporary relief, I guess

    I see it as black humor, but I can appreciate where you’re coming from. Personally, The notion of bogus climate solutions like cap-n-trade serving as an aphrodisiac to McKibben and Klein is humorous given their past embrace of such ‘solutions’. And lest we forget, both have irresponsibly decided to have children knowing what we know. But yeah, ultimately such juvenile hi jinks is born out of a deep sense of frustration and disappointment in our supposed environmental leaders.

  • Shep,

    Maybe you’ve seen this already. But here it is again anyway.

    “White terrorism is not only domestic, it is an expression of racial dominance within a political culture that continuously contorts reality to posit a post-racial social order while ignoring or erasing material inequalities rooted in longstanding racial structures.”

    “White terrorism is culturally, socially, institutionally, discursively, and legally insulated from being seen and treated as terrorism, or even being seen as intrinsically white, by the very political, ideological and social control structures of white supremacy that it seeks to uphold and strengthen.”

    “The Minneapolis police response on the night of the vigilante shooting – attacking the gunshot wounded crowd with chemical agents rather than immediately moving to arrest the armed gunmen – illuminates the inherent contradictions of pursuing social change in a society whose ‘legitimate institutions’ are wholly complicit with the material grievances demonstrators are seeking to reconcile.”

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/12/15/white-terror-matters/

  • I have had nothing to add recently but perhaps should respond to this.

    ‘Kevin Moore,

    Who u gonna believe? John Trudell or Thomas Sowell??’

    For me it’s not a case of believing or not believing any particular person. I accept the parts of commentaries that are supported by irrefutable evidence, reject the parts that are contrary to evidence, and reserve judgement on those between.

    It seems to me that Jonathan Swift said most of what needed to be said about politics and humanity in 1726, and, as I’ve commented before, contrasted profoundly with Daniel Defoe, who wrote only a short time before. (Gulliver’s Travels versus Robinson Crusoe. Read both if you haven’t.)

    I see us as having been on the ecological downslope for centuries. I see the peak of industrial civilisation society in the western world as having occurred decades ago. Indeed, most people in their 60s, 70s and 80s I speak with regard the best times as being the 1950s to 1970s.

    In NZ the big shift downwards in morality and in the promotion of selfishness and rampant consumerism occurred in the 1980s. Now fraud, deceit, unsustainable ‘development’ and unsustainable burning of sequestered carbon are the only things holding the system together (in the short term).

    The more I think about it, the more convinced I am that the final battle to save humanity from predation by corporations, money-lenders, sociopaths and bureaucrats was lost in the late-1960s to early-1970s.

    The Green Party of NZ has taken flack on The Daily Blog following Kevin Hester’s item highlighting his resignation. My initial thought was: what took him so long? I worked out between 2002 and 2005 how useless the Greens were. And since then they have become worse. The key issue over the past decade or so has been the Greens reluctance to even mention, let alone highlight, any of the major issues of the times.

    The Taranaki Environment Centre has also been in failure mode for many years, mostly because it is underfunded and because the wrong kind of people are in control. Ursula, who has been running the centre part time, will not renew her contract, having discovered what I had said to her a year ago was correct: such organisations are deliberately underfunded so that the staff spend most of their time trying to raise money instead of carrying out environmental work. Corporate control extends from central government, regional government and local government right down to the frontline of activism. Professional liars throughout the system will ensures the charge off the cliff continues.

    This week is supposedly the crunch week for US interest rates, with the ‘will they or won’t they’ game expected to finally come to an end. I have a gut feeling this week’s meeting will not mark the end of the game but just another opportunity for further manipulation and rigging so that death-by-a-thousand-cuts can continue.

  • Serving the Dying: End-of-Life Doulas

    Western society has grown increasingly fearful of aging and death. But an increasing number of people are stepping forward to love and comfort the dying.

    http://wanderlust.com/journal/serving-the-dying-end-of-life-doulas/

    [begins]

    They call themselves death doulas, or death midwives. Some prefer the term ‘end-of-life doula’ or ‘soul midwife.’ And some, like me, are simply hospice volunteers. The roles vary, as do the titles. Some are paid, but most are not. Nevertheless these people are connected by a common thread—they are all drawn towards serving the dying. And whatever the moniker, a growing number of individuals, many with a background in yoga and meditation, are joining them. [more]

  • Alert: Congress May Vote Today to Destroy States’ Rights to Protect Our Food Supply

    Congress Votes to Override State Law and Block Americans’ Right to Know If Our Food Has Been Genetically Modified

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/12/congress-will-vote-today-destroy-states-rights-protect-food-supply.html#more-52561

    [there are “related posts” below this article]

  • Beside “promises” – how much MONEY is going into the Paris agreement?
    Well, the other side isn’t slowing down:

    Mongolia’s giant Oyu Tolgoi mine gets $4 bn financing

    http://news.yahoo.com/mongolias-giant-oyu-tolgoi-mine-gets-4-bn-144733324.html

    Anglo-Australian mining giant Rio Tinto secured a multi-billion deal Tuesday to finance a huge expansion of its giant but controversial Oyu Tolgoi mine in Mongolia, the focus of rising resource nationalism.

    Oyu Tolgoi signed the $4.4 billion deal in the Mongolian capital Ulan Bator with international financial organisations and 15 commercial banks, its parent company said in a statement, calling it “an important step forward”.

    The project has total copper and gold reserves estimated at 2.5 billion tonnes, and forecast earnings of over $100 bn over its lifetime, which could extend beyond the year 2100.

    [ah, the lure of riches continues . . . read the rest]

  • The story of Ishi has not ended…

    A letter by Fiona Watson, Campaigns Director, Survival International

    The Last of the Kawahiva

    He lives on his own, in complete silence, always on the run, always fearful, invisible to the world. This is the life of one solitary man in the Amazon. He’s the sole survivor of his tribe.

    I first learnt about the so-called “Man of the Hole” on a research trip to the Brazilian Amazon with fieldworkers from the government’s Indian Affairs department. We were there to check that he was still alive. Walking through his forest we came into a clearing with a tiny thatched hut. Inside we found calabashes for storing water, dried nuts and a torch made from resin. We also found a hole in the centre of the hut – big enough for a person to hide in. Not wishing to encounter him, we did not linger, but I could sense his presence everywhere.

    I’ve worked on Survival’s Brazil campaigns for more than two decades and was still profoundly moved by the Man of the Hole’s story. It is believed that his tribe was massacred by cattle ranchers in the late 80s. When he dies the genocide of his people will be complete.

    This is why we are fighting so hard for the Last of the Kawahiva. The same fate awaits them unless we act now. They are under grave threat from ranchers and loggers operating illegally on their land. Their territory – Rio Pardo, in Mato Grosso state – lies within one of the most violent regions in Brazil.

    Today, the world’s demand for natural resources means the threat has never been greater and in the eyes of the profit-seekers, uncontacted tribes stand in the way. The Kawahiva face catastrophe unless their land is protected. We are doing everything we can to secure it for them, and to give them a chance to determine their own futures.

    ==========

    The Pacific Ocean is in deep trouble.

    http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Sea-lions-in-trouble-again-off-California-coast-6690177.php

    Anne Keala Kelly, Hawaiian journalist/filmmaker: Americans think the Pacific is a toilet. Nobody even talks about Fukushima anymore. You know, when you’re in the Pacific, you actually care about the fact that there’s almost no more fish — that the ocean is dying. It’s terrifying to be on the receiving end of this society, this culture. It is terrifying, every day.

    http://archive.org/details/LINKTV_20151101_080000_The_99_Occupy_Everywhere#start/3000/end/3060

  • You know you are enduring a completely mad economic system which is in the process of rupturing itself when you look at this graph.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-15/natgas-crashes-lowest-1999

  • Artleads,

    Hey thanks.

    I am convinced that most people have not a clue about most subjects. The climate, racism, bigotry, to name a few.

    You like to concentrate on land use and that is far better than wasting ur time on white vs, non-white? Most people have no idea what is going on with matters that matter.

    The subject that hurts me the most and the one that I know the most about, through reading morally, as perfect as you can get in this society, authors, is the plight of people of color. I have many, many heroes in this area.

    I know this. Thomas Sowell is a liar and a hypocrite of the highest order just like Judith Miller, that Armstrong fellow that wrote fiction as fact, Grapper and all the rest of the climbers in this society.

    Can’t wait to read ur tuition post. Don’t tell people where it is – they might spoil the site.

  • Mr Wester,

    U posted a pistol by American Heritage, 2 cylinders, .22 LR and .22 Magnum

    I went back and could not fine the post. Can u re-post? Or, shepherd at teleclipes.net will do fine.

    tks.

    Got some coyotes to fend off, if necessary.

  • Shep

    “You like to concentrate on land use and that is far better than wasting ur time on white vs, non-white? Most people have no idea what is going on with matters that matter.”

    A lot of w on b racism is connected to land use. Like segregating races in different parts of towns and cities. When the transcontinental freeway system got built around mid century, black communities were often wiped out by freeways dividing and otherwise destroying them (like the Fillmore in SF). The civil rights movement removed some elite blacks and left the ghettos to rot, devoid of role models and leaders. Schools are funded by taxes in respective communities. The poor, rotting ghettos have no money to tax, and has no money for schools. Banks don’t lend to ghettos (redlining). Blacks happening to wander into white neighborhoods get watched, followed, reported, often killed.

    Just a tiny sample of what’s what.

  • Artleads,

    Thank u for ur point. Proves, again, that people of color have no chance, at all, unless they become house, u know whats.

  • Derrick Jensen on Extinction radio was awesome. Everyone talking about 1.5 degrees or 4 degrees when my understanding is that stability is achieved at about 10 degrees and a slim chance of 5 degrees. So due to rising waters I guess i’m going to need a thong to get total body tan on my soon to be water front property.Guy’s update said something about hotter nights ..gggGIGGIDY . Can’t wait . If trump wins will solar panels have to be taken down due to they steal sunlight from plants?
    I am waiting for winter to take hold but it never really gets here.Due to Abrupt change do I start my garden February first 3 months sooner.

  • Here’s a link to an essay I just read from CounterPunch about the public’s denialism and immobility over political repression, parallel to climate denialism. The author’s passion, frustration — and poetry of expression — reminds me of Guy’s.

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/05/30/how-should-we-write-and-fight/

    Floating around in a pool this morning, I’m thinking about Hartmann, who will not have Guy (“Great Minds”!) around anymore. I absorbed about 8 years of listening to most of his radio shows, and I believe he has a concept of responsibility, but it is out of fear of discouraging other people from action.

    It’s that same blame laid on Guy by many well-intentioned climate-aware folks. But I would label it a patronizing solicitude (sense of superiority) over the others (not quite as enlightened as moi!) among the surrounding rabble.

    In the end, an attempt to CONTROL or MANIPULATE others by withholding information or analysis from them. This is why they just will not “go there.”

    Now, I would claim it is the opposite, and in a pragmatic sense of activism. If you will not “go there” with Guy, you cannot look back (or down) from the mountaintop of Hope Abandoned and see the all-enclosing destructiveness of Industrial Civilization.

    Once you strike the props out from under that mythologizing of “saving civilization”, you might begin to act on a realistic basis.

    Of course, the other “there” they do not want to go near is that billions of people are going to die, and the elites are fine with that (appropriate propaganda to be provided presently) but who wants to be the bearer of those misanthropic-sounding tidings? Why, it almost sounds like you’re asking for volunteers to jump first.

    So they hide behind the indefinitude of Shakhova’s 50 gt burp, which is just lurking to surprise ’em all.

  • Henry

    People living in developed nations are not suffering enough yet. Indeed, although they suffer industrial diseases they do not make any connection and for many the greatest suffering they endure is sitting in a traffic jam in an air-conditioned vehicle with a radio or CD player, a full belly, and packaged food and drink.

    My parents spoke of the Great Depression, wartime rationing, and running to an air-raid shelter and sitting in the dark, waiting for the all-clear siren that indicated German planes had run out of bombs or were getting low on fuel and were leaving Southampton alone for a few hours. And they had it good compared to many others 75 years ago.

    Rationing ended when I was 4. As I remember, there were two families with cars in the entire street. I still remember the excitement of my first ride in a car.

    The adjustment back to normality will be utterly shocking for most westerners when it finally comes.

  • Lettuce is ‘three times worse than bacon’ for emissions and vegetarian diets are bad for environment.

    Pork and chicken good; fruit and vegetables bad.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/vegetarian-diet-bad-for-environment-meat-study-lettuce-three-times-worse-emissions-bacon-a6773671.html

  • Shep, Henry, Kevin:

    The fundamental issue I see–why I’m here–is climate catastrophe. That, as our host explains, will kill everybody. So so-called “white racism” looks to be a sub-set of the fundamental issue.

    I agree with a lot that Kevin has to say. Just in my own experience, I’d put the bright red line of going over the cliff to be 1968, with the squashing of revolution in the west and the assassination of RFK, MLK, etc. But I’m searching for how, whether, or to what extent the intrcontinental highway system in the US (created just before this) that became the global model and that brought on automobile traffic, suburban sprawl, deforestation, oil hyper consumption, etc., in a really big way…whether that is what pushed us over the edge.

    If so, land use figures dramatically. and so-called white racism would be intricately connected with this push. A lot of what drove whites to the sprawling suburbs was the rush to leave behind the interconnection with blacks in the cities. Racist policies simultaneously kept blacks confined to the cities, poor, unequal, uneducated. While there was plenty of oil, that might have seemed workable to mainstream society. But (and I’m reaching here) EROEI started a dramatic slide and the economy it affected started to slide as well. Meanwhile, blacks devastated by the new land use were in no position to participate in the green revolution (as per the launching of Earth Day in 1970, etc.) That revolution didn’t figure on the effects of racism and segregation. That not only screwed black; it eventually screwed whites, as we have now come to see.

    Blacks would naturally have belonged at the forefront of an environmental revolution, but were left to fester and rot. Instead of black energy going toward changing the system (if indeed it could have been changed even then) blacks were left to cannibalize one another, leading to the present sad state of mass incarceration and any number of social and physical plagues.

    Long story short, with a situation of such paralyzing division and absence of common purpose, there was never any hope for a resistance movement. The environmental justice movement that crystallized in around 1992 was rather late to the game, and perhaps not really on target methodologically; I can’t say for sure, it didn’t strike me as being sufficiently grounded in nature or aesthetics. That doesn’t stop me from working at resistance, however.

  • how tv ruinated…funny stuff apneadude.

  • Artleads,

    Ur mental capacity is far, far above mine and much more useful and comprehensive, especially in terms of resistance to hate in this world. This is what I’ve been trying to say about your endeavors. My way simply consists of screaming out loud in horror. You are to be fully commended.

    Kevin Moore,

    I believe every word that Mike Whitney writes. This country is damned forever and, of course, it all began with the Columbus bastard. Thanks for the info.

  • Ray: all diets are bad for the environment. The bugs are going to love US though (if we don’t take them out first). On the other hand, we may be so toxic that they’ll let us be.

    kevin:

    80 Years Ago Edgar Cayce Predicted Putin’s Role in Stopping WW3

    http://www.wakingtimes.com/2015/10/16/80-years-ago-edgar-cayce-predicted-putins-role-in-stopping-ww3/

    [quote]

    Cayce foresaw that future world crises would hinge on finance, and he pointed to Russia as being the thorn in the side of the financial powers that were organizing themselves against the good of humanity in a post WWII world. [for what it’s worth]

  • Posted this
    The plane flies whether Suzuki is on it or not. Reason Antarctica looks like it is gaining ice is that fresh water melt freezes at higher temps than sea water so is a sign that it is melting very fast enough to dilute seawater. History of this planet shows stability at the global average temp we were at or 10 degrees higher and the change to get to 10 degrees higher will be super fast.Arctic ice will be gone very soon and without that ice to cool the oceans the planet will experience extreme abrupt global warming. Do the simple test yourself .. glass half water half ice put it outside on sunny day with thermometer in it. will stay very close to freezing until ice melts then it will jump in temp.
    Equator will be to hot for humans to survive ,center of continents will have long droughts no food can be grown, oceans will rise over 20 meters.It’s already starting droughts hot weather and oceans rising. Organisms can’t keep up with the rate of change and so neither can humans.When you turn on your taps and no water flows or your light switch and it stays dark you will panic. People will stop going to work as civilization starts to fall and over 400 nuclear plants around the world will begin meltdown . I give you till about 2030 so enjoy friends and loved ones well you can .Good luck.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/greenland-melt-1.3367833

    A lot of climate deniers there .Will be funny the responses

  • So, they’ve finally done it.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-16/fed-hikes-rates-unleashing-first-tightening-cycle-over-11-years

    In the bad-news-is-good-news financial system that may just be enough to push the Dow higher, spur new housing starts and job creation.

    On the other hand there are some who say they are 100% certain it all comes to an end in February 2016. More egg on face?

    Meanwhile, the wheels continue to fall off here in NZ. which in the context of the big picture cannot be bad.

    ‘Oil and gas companies are this year committing to spending 96% less on new exploration in New Zealand, compared to last.

    New Zealand’s clearly being hit hard by the global oil price slump, with the companies that have received the nine exploration permits in the 2015 Block Offer announced today, only committing to spending a total of $4.4 million.

    The companies awarded the 15 oil and gas exploration permits by New Zealand Petroleum and Minerals in last year’s offer, committed to spend $110 million.

    While the Government put the potential of future exploration expenditure from the 2014 Block Offer at $1 billion, it’s only put it at $364 million, if the exploration work done further to this year’s offering is successful.

    Minister of Energy and Resources Simon Bridges recognises, “The exploration industry is now far more sensitive to budgets in the global context of a low oil price.”

    http://www.interest.co.nz/business/79184/oil-price-slump-sees-interest-2015-block-offer-wane-companies-awarded-nine

  • @ Rusty Says:
    December 16th, 2015 at 12:56 pm

    …Do the simple test yourself .. glass half water half ice put it outside on sunny day with thermometer in it. will stay very close to freezing until ice melts then it will jump in temp.

    Very, very good, “grasshopper!!” And I mean that with all due respect! Now, ratchet that “test” up a notch, as I did nearly 30 yrs ago before I’d even heard the term “Global Warming,” and actually measure the water temperature AND the mass/weight of the ice on a periodic basis. As I wrote to Guy in an email more than 5 years ago, you will find that the mass of the ice will decrease on an exponential curve (i.e., more ice melts in each subsequent time interval than in any previous one) and, after all the ice has melted, the temperature of the water will rise on another exponential curve. Again, kudos to you, Rusty! 🙂

    P.S. I read a few of the comments at your linked article and found them ALL hilariously inane. Thanks, yet again.

  • @ Satish Musunuru Says:
    December 16th, 2015 at 2:50 pm

    Tales of Ancient Sea Rise Told for 10,000 Years

    Thanks for the link to that “old” article. While Climate Central has been a component of my RSS feed for several years, I rarely have the time to read their typical “hopium.” Regardless, the passage that really stood-out, for me…

    “There are aspects of storytelling in Australia that involved kin-based responsibilities to tell the stories accurately,” Reid said. That rigor provided “cross-generational scaffolding” that “can keep a story true.” (My bold.)

    Do you think that that rigor exists today, particularly in the “developed/developing” countries despite the incessant onslaught of “spin” and “euphemized” language? Does the article lend any credence to the supposition that of ALL of “humanity,” the people “most likely to survive” and carry “our” species into the next millennium are the ones who already live the most “simply,” e.g. the Aborigines of Oz and a few indigenous “tribes” elsewhere? As an admitted “Civil Engineer,” how familiar are you with “related rates,” (i.e., differential equations)? Answer what you will, as you will, no harm, no foul.

  • Satish – thanks for that. Much more at survivalinternational.org

    Star Wars, ooops, sorry, STAR WARS is everywhere – ‘cause nothing says 21st techno culture entertainment like a war in space at Christmas time – modern problem solving = fight, kill. Every other conversation I heard today was about real estate or kids. I came home and wrote this:

    GRASSHOPPER & ANT

    It was summertime and GRASSHOPPER sat under a willow tree on the riverbank playing guitar, completely absorbed in the strings and the delight fingers could conjure from them.

    ANT passed by carrying a leaf recently cut with clever jaws. GRASSHOPPER invited ANT to also sit on the grass: “ANT, it is such a beautiful day, the clouds, the sky, the singing birds, the sliding gliding river, why don’t you come and join me – we can sing together.”
    “Alas, I cannot, WINTER is coming and I must work hard so that WINTER will not find me without food and shelter,” said ANT. “I also need to review my investment portfolio and make a couple of shrewd, well-timed trades.”
    GRASSHOPPER went back to playing and wrote a song about the hard working hordes of ants climbing branches and cutting leaves, making themselves comfortable, sheltered and well-fed, of the nobility of toil, its character building qualities.

    The next day, GRASSHOPPER, guitar in hand, was perched in the branches of an enormous oak in the water meadow by the lake. GRASSHOPPER saw ANT passing by carrying a large dead insect. “Hola, ANT, why don’t you come and join me – I have developed my arpeggio to such a degree, it really is a joy. May I play it for you: a new song.”
    ANT, panting from the labour of carrying the dead meat, replied, “I don’t have time for that kind of frivolity. BOSS says we need more meat, we are expanding the nest, tunnelling and tunnelling, more and more babies being born, more and more meat and leaves needed. WINTER’s coming. Can’t rest. Can’t chat. Onward!”
    “Don’t worry so much about winter,” GRASSHOPPER shouted from the shady branches. “Come enjoy this gorgeous day of blossom and birdsong. The larks and sparrows are dancing in the sky and the otters play on the shoreline.”
    But ANT was already moving on, hurrying back to find out the next task. Other ants streamed from the nest or marched back to it carrying food, twigs, meat, leaves, dead things.
    Bending once more to the strings, GRASSHOPPER played a swirl of arpeggio-laden Andalusian refrains. GRASSHOPPER sighed and watched Ant fade into the distance, over there another ant, and there another, each carrying a leaf or a dead insect. GRASSHOPPER composed a song about the ephemeral quality of time, the evanescence of life, of family and tribe, and the loneliness of the solitary artist.

    The next day GRASSHOPPER was at the foot of tree working on the Mixolydian and Ionian scales discovered under a full moon the night before. GRASSHOPPER was so involved in playing and learning that ANT passed by, labouring under the weight of a dead fly, and they did not see each other.

    The next day GRASSHOPPER and ANT almost missed each other. GRASSHOPPER was sitting on a hollow log practicing finger picking when ANT passed by. ANT was in charge of a team that was pulling a dead mouse back to the nest. ANT’s loudly barked orders startled GRASSHOPPER from a reverie of strings as ANT kept the workers on task and exerting themselves.
    “Why don’t you all take a break?” suggested GRASSHOPPER. “I have learned a famous piece called Aranjuez: marvellous sounds, a plangent theme filled with echoes of duende, of the grief of time, the loss of a child, lost love, changing seasons.”
    ANT laughed loudly: “Ha, you foolish character. Do you think I have time for that. The forest is dying. Leaves are becoming hard to find. There are fewer and fewer insects about. This huge beast will feed us for days. WINTER is coming. Look to yourself you foolish poet. We have larders and larders, tunnels and tunnels; warm in the winter we will be for we have spent the seasons harvesting everything we could lay our hands on. And it is all stored underground, safely packed away for a winter’s day. We will be fine. We will not go hungry because we do ‘real’ work not noodling with strings!” With this Ant cracked a whip and urged the team onward.

    GRASSHOPPER looked out across the devastated landscape, trees denuded by a million sets of ant jaws, wildlife lying dead from starvation, every carcass covered with ants cutting into the hide and carrying off bits of flesh, back to the nest, for the hungry babies.

    GRASSHOPPER, tears running down his cheeks, embraced the guitar, caressed the strings and composed a delicate lament about overpopulation and rape.

    4pm Dec. 16, 2015 (ashaquila@yahoo.com)

  • .
    Ha ha … noodling with strings!

    WoodWose, I loved that story. Thanks.
    Paco was no slouch. Thanks for that too.

    🙂

  • Thanks for the kind words, Shep. Your principled stand against racism continues to inspire me.

  • @WoodWose – thank you for your tale. Songs sung around the campfire on the Beach of Doom.

    @David Higham – [i]It is as if we have now entered a world where physical reality doesn’t matter.[/i]

    Years ago I observed that modern humans live more of their life in fiction than ever before. Storytelling, narrative, are a fundamental part of humanity, perhaps the essence of it. Yet we spent most of the hours of our day in practical endeavours and simple human interaction, not lost in tales. Now we spent every spare moment wrapped up in some construct of fiction. I wondered what effect that might have, and I think we see that here. Our tales, our propaganda, become more real than the world around us. And isn’t the inability to distinguish reality from fiction a sign of madness?

  • Looking forward to the radio interview with Guy & Mike Tue Dec 22The threat of biological attack is placing new strains upon the public health system, posing new challenges for those responsible for protecting against new threats, and fostering both public fear and uncertainty about personal safety and the risks of exposure to new terrorist biological attacks. The possibility that terrorists may obtain access to far more virulent biological agents, such as smallpox, eradicated decades earlier as a public health menace, but still existent in U.S. and Russian laboratories, further compounds the concerns and the challenge, as the possible U.S. source for the anthrax attacks underscores.

    Even before the terrorist attacks of September 11th, international efforts to cage the biological warfare threat had made news in the U.S. and abroad. DoD administration protocol to strengthen Biological Weapons development are safeguarded by providing monitoring and compliance provisions, citing the administration’s doubts about the ability to verify compliance and its concerns about the impact both on the ability to continue work on biological warfare studies deemed defensive, and on confidential business information. This decision elicited extensive criticism among scientists and arms control analysts.

    CRISPR Algorithms on recombiant – Epigenome. “GMO Eschericha Coli used in the manufacturing of insulin, plastics and food additives could pose a danger in fertilizers where GMO DNA samples have recombined with natural elements in soil, plants & insects.”

  • Colin, your questions inspire the following thoughts…

    I think human beings are great at telling stories. We have always had a flair for the art of storytelling. I am not saying humans are the only species that tell stories, nor even that we tell those stories better than other species. A paleontologist might hear a hundred human-told stories and still think the story told by a fossil dug up five months ago beats them all. Much of it has to do with the listener. And this is exactly what makes me wonder how the act of storytelling might have evolved over our history – the identity and role of the listener. To be honest, as much as I comment here, and as much as I like writing, I’m always uncomfortable knowing that I don’t know the reader. Traffic data and visitor analytics don’t scratch the surface. Such impersonal information doesn’t come close to the kind of rich highly personal rapport our story telling ancestors had with their listeners.

    The tribal storyteller of yore lived an altogether different reality from the modern storyteller. They were part of the tribe, they lived with their fellow tribesmen, and they knew each and every one of their listeners in a very personal and intimate way. They knew, much better than any modern storyteller can hope for, the way their stories came across to their listeners. The gap between what they said and what the listener heard was arguable small. In any given tribe, the members all had the same creation stories, the same day-to-day life, similar routines, the same environs and knew the same people and their stories, all of which provide for a far richer context. And isn’t context everything for proper communication? In such a setting, stories have an easier time getting passed down through hundreds of generations almost verbatim. This is how we have lived for 95% of our time on Earth.

    Things have changed so much lately that the most popular stories of today, like those mentioned in the scriptures, classics, fables, etc. find multiple interpretations. Every now and then, someone comes out with a new interpretation that they claim is more accurate considering the times that the stories first emerged in. Much is lost in translation, much else is mixed in and what ends up being passed down is neither here nor there. Even stories invented in modern times have messages that vary widely.

    The modern storyteller hopes that the words he speaks or writes land on the audience just as he meant them but the takeaways vary widely given the diversity of context. Words don’t mean the same thing to everyone anymore. Being multi-lingual or multi-cultural robs the modern man of being rooted solidly in any one context. The challenges for the storyteller and the listener abound. So if I feel a certain uneasiness writing these words, not knowing exactly who is reading, what their background is, and how they are interpreting it, well, I tell myself it’s just one of those many modern problems humanity is facing! It’s not unique to me. It’s a problem human beings face in the last 1% of their time here.

    WoodWose’s excellent comment a few threads back on “small mouth noises” describes some of these challenges so very well. And it also makes one wonder what storytelling might have been like before the advent of language. In some ways, the invention of language might actually have compromised the quality of story in a way that’s hard to fathom today. To some, this sounds like rubbish. So let’s not go there 🙂

    On the whole, I’d imagine not more than 10-20% of those who read my comments and writing get what I attempt to say. It’s not as if we’re writing children’s books here, after all! 🙂 What worries me though is the possibility that some walk away with an interpretation that’s not personally helpful in their life, not true to their evolution, and not meaningful given their personal context. I have wondered if writing long comments in a web form might be a rather unwise thing to do, given what I know about us all being cultural mutts. Anyone with an Internet connection is an oddity of sorts. But I write because sometimes I just want to write and reach out to that 10% of fellow men and women who do connect. It’s selfish but I’ve made some good friends through writing. Isn’t that what storytelling has partly been about? To gain a sense of “shared reality” with others? How many times have I read a comment in this space and went, “that’s it, exactly IT… just what I wanted to say, and better than I would have said”. Ah… the joy of striking the right chord with another! A balm for a lonely planet.

    —-

    Regarding who is most likely to survive the longest given the economic and ecological collapse we face, I have wondered about it. It appears to be a contest between two peoples. One has remained close to nature. The other has strayed the farthest from nature. Both these peoples have few members – in the hundreds or thousands, diminutive when compared to 7.3 Billion humans.

    I think the tribal people still remaining in the world, like the un-contacted tribes of the Amazon or the Australian Aborigines, will come out stronger than the techno-optimistic wealthy elites building their Elysiums and sea-steads, and making plans to colonize Mars. When the world changes, those who listen better to what their surroundings are telling them, those who haven’t lost their listening skills handed to them by their ancestors have a much better shot at survival. Sometimes I wonder if the only reason industrial civilization continues to plod along is because the elites haven’t accomplished their stated goals of commercializing interplanetary travel, eradicating disease, achieving immortality, etc., all of which are the most deranged attempts at conquering the human condition that man has ever dreamed up, and all of which require armies of men and women working away on problems of a technological nature.

    Jack Weatherford attempts to address this question in his 1995 book Savages and Civilization: Who Will Survive? but ends with no definitive answer, as far as I can tell, when he talks about “vital coexistence”. We now know tribal cultures and modern industrial civilization cannot coexist. I’m sure others have tackled this issue (comments welcome).

    All this, assuming, any human beings survive at all. Who do you think will survive longer, Colin?

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    Thankfully, I forgot all about differential equations and such as soon as I finished the 4 required courses in Engineering Math 🙂 The Math that preoccupies me today has to do with the Exponential function.

  • “We now know tribal cultures and modern industrial civilization cannot coexist. I’m sure others have tackled this issue (comments welcome).”

    I’ve been thinking about this. It started after leaving art school, and thinking of the formal similarities between aboriginal art’s geometric forms, and modern art’s geometric forms. Picasso sort of channeling African art is one of myriad examples. The differences between Picasso and the African artists were stark, but still I wondered about the outward, formal similarities of style, and what that meant on an inward level as well. (I recently learned that Picasso’s sculpture’s, which he never sold, were like “personages” to him. He was perhaps an animist right there in the middle of sophisticated civilization.)

    The super immersion in the world of aesthetics as in Picasso’s case, (and for want of better terms) might bring the civilized urbanist and the authentic tribalist together in certain respects. It crosses my mind that one can appreciate and listen to the modern civilized world in ways not altogether unrelated to how the tribalists listened to their environment. As though the industrial infrastructure has its own soul and can be reasoned with, can be questioned, listened to, loved. But it’s a complex subject, beyond me at this moment, and probably at any other time. 🙂

  • My apologies if someone posted this already. Also, my apologies for being somewhat off-topic. But, you know, all this stuff is related…

    hugs and kisses everyone! Happy upcoming Solstice!

  • The head of Russia’s Security Council has warned of “a real problem” posed by the growing number of US-controlled laboratories that produce biological weapons. Nikolay Patrushev estimated that Washington allocates “tens of billions of dollars” to this research.

    Speaking after Russia’s Security Council meeting, Patrushev mentioned the threat stemming from biological weapons laboratories that operate on the territories of the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS).

    “There are also other problems, such as the production of military oriented biological weapons and the very large funding allocated to this,” Patrushev said. “This is tens of billions of dollars. Additionally, the number of laboratories under US jurisdiction or control has increased 20 times.”

    What is more worrying is that some of such laboratories “operated and operate” on CIS soil, said Patrushev.

    “This is why the problem is real,” he said.

    The head of the Security Council has also mentioned the chemical weapons issue, saying that Russia will dispose of its remaining arsenal by 2020 – eight years earlier than the US.

    “We are putting into practice a program to get rid of chemical weapons. Russia will dispose of these weapons by 2020. It was expected that the US will also destroy these weapons by that time, but according to today’s plans, it will carry out the disposal by 2028,” Patrushev told journalists.

    In June, the Russian Foreign Ministry accused the US of encircling Russia with bioweapons labs, as well as obstructing international efforts to eradicate biological weapons.

    One of Russia’s particular concerns is the Richard G. Lugar Center for Public and Animal Health Research, a research facility for high-level biohazard agents, located near Tbilisi, Georgia, a CIS member and Russia’s neighbor.

    “American and Georgian authorities are trying to cover up the real nature of this US military unit, which studies highly dangerous infectious diseases. The Pentagon is trying to establish similar covert medico-biological facilities in other countries [in Russia’s neighborhood],” the Russian ministry said in June.

    At the time, Moscow also blamed the US for derailing “decades of international effort to strengthen” the Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention (BTWC), a 1972 international treaty aimed at eradicating bioweapons worldwide.

  • Artleads,

    The evolution of the relationship between art and utility, over human history, has been quite interesting.

    There was a time when there was little distinction between art and utility, Native American basketry being a good example. The basket was a wondrous work of art with beautiful designs, colors and patterns and yet was the most utilitarian object when it was time to cook up an acorn meal.

    Even as recently as the nineteenth century, things of utility still had workmen laboring over them with skill and precision. An antique cupboard or the legs of an old dining table come to mind. They were carved and chiseled to look marvelous.

    Compare that to the dissociation between art and utility today. Art has been relegated to special buildings we call museums and galleries while things of utility sport straight lines and sleek styles that are more efficient and cost-effective to manufacture on a mass scale in factories on the other side of the planet and transported in shipping containers.

    A walk through the gargantuan showrooms of IKEA reveal the contrast. Interestingly, in that one place, one can buy a piece of “art” to hang on a wall against which rests a rectilinear futon made from a stainless steel frame.

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    babajingo, all this stuff is indeed related…

    Thanks for the video… I’m reminded of what Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler said decades ago (1935, to be exact). How some things don’t change when so much else changes so much!

    War is a Racket: http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html

  • The “Prove you’re on the endangered species list” thingy is speaking in tongThe “Prove you’re on the endangered species list” thingy is speaking in tongues lately.

    “Nothin from nuthin leaves …”

    (SLC Fingerprints R Us – 2).ues lately.

    “Nothin from nuthin leaves …”

    (SLC Fingerprints R Us – 2).

    But it still can’t figure it out.

  • Himalayan glaciers warming 100% faster than earth at twice the median

    China’s average temp rose 1.5°C in 100 years.

    This is 100% faster than earth at twice the median.

    Earth average temp rose 0.7°C in 100 years.

    50% of China’s rivers gone since 1990.

    75% of lakes and rivers are poisoned.

    60% of groundwater is poisoned.

    50% of farm land is poisoned.

    40% of humanity in 15 years will be short of water.

    20% of humanity in 15 years will be severely short of water

    6 new nuclear plants per year are being built in China until 2030.

    2000 coal new coal plants worldwide by 2030.

    20,000,000 new cars per year sold in China.

    50 years for 100% world energy transition minimum.

    15 years for food, water and migration wars.

    90% of earth’s farmland will be gone in 50 years.

    30 years for runaway cascading mass extinction.

    cheers all,

    China is the world leader in everything,

    if everybody in China lit their farts on fire at once,

    half the world will blow up.

    China has 75% of the solar market because,

    they have 90% of the rare earth minerals market.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/12052582/Even-if-the-global-warming-scare-were-a-hoax-we-would-still-need-it.html

    http://canadians.org/node/6925

  • ScaryFace

    say hello to my new friend

    China Will Destroy Earth Selling Sustainability from DieOff

  • Today’s post includes a guest essay from J. Z. Colby. Catch it here.

  • Satish,

    The plastic junk being made in China today is quite different from the great industrial machinery made from steel as industrial society ascended. There was an integrity and grandeur to the former that goes missing in the latter, reflecting a descent of industrial society. The distinction should not be missed.

  • .
    … descent of industrial society

    When I saw the greed of planned obsolescence win out over quality and craftsmanship I knew we were doomed. Recall that Mr. Ford wanted to purposely obfuscate the knowledge possessed by fine craftsmen in society by separating their tasks out to many unknowledgeable people in an assembly line. He spoke of the knowledge base which a fine craftsman possessed as being a business threat to him. Their knowledge gave them negotiating power against him. Thus, the age of unskilled workmanship, low quality, and even the capitalization of the undesirable outcome of poor craftsmanship into something we now call planned obsolescence … the throw away ‘use once’ product. $$$

    The decline and de-evolution of human endeavor in the last 100 years truly does astound sometimes. Civilization seems to have simply aged, gotten Alzheimer’s, and gone insane. Like a being having spent its life.

    I miss quality and craftsmanship in tools and machines. Pissed me off when it all went away. You can still get well built stuff. (Hey look, no plastic!) But it costs $$$. So, I make do with crap.

    Civilization’s decline. Sigh.

  • Satish, thank you for your obviously thoughtful, but perhaps verbose, response, no offense intended as I, too, am sometimes(?) guilty of circumlocution. I’ll try to repress that here and I hope you’ll “forgive” me for not being so “thorough” with this reply. First, I completely agree, if I understood you correctly, that context is critical to effective and meaningful communication. I also concur that any relevant context is sorely lacking in this day and age, perhaps has been for quite some time, due largely to the compartmentalization and incongruities of people’s lives, occupations, relationships and “education” levels, just to name a few factors.

    I especially agree with your statement that “Words don’t mean the same thing to everyone anymore.” I think that is a key factor in the downward spiral we’re all facing. There are, of course, a multitude of “reasons” for this breakdown in linguistic comprehension, not least of which is the incessant use of euphemisms by politicians, ad-men, “journalists,” and the oh-so ignorant and despicable supporters of [alleged] politically correct speech. It’s almost like the preponderance of people have “forgotten” (never knew?) that language is a tool and it is only useful when there is some agreement on the meanings of the words used. Of course, no existing or “ancient” language is “perfect,” all are rife with vagaries, which to some degree is alleviated with context. This does not make for effective or meaningful communication. It is tantamount to cultural insanity and I think that’s exactly what we’re witnessing.

    As to “who MAY survive”… that’s really “unknowable” but, as you allude and Guy avers, “our” species is probably nonexistent in less that 100 yrs. The few that will survive the longest will probably be those that live “close to the land” AND the farthest from any industrialized “civilization.” However, their continuation beyond 100 years (probably less) is highly questionable and I’ll virtually guarantee that they will NOT “feel lucky.” When 10,000+ “Bhopals” erupt around the planet and containment measures at CDC, USAMRID and like facilities fail, there is probably nowhere on Earth that will remain “habitable.” A lot of people make a lot of “noise” about nuclear reactor/waste containment but I think it is the aforementioned “neglected” factors, along with rampantly mutating and spreading disease from multitudes of “exposed” corpses that will be the predominant threat to existence. After all, all infectious diseases will be “antibiotic resistant” when there are no antibiotics available to anyone.

  • Ooops, 1st sentence, last paragraph, “…nonexistent in less than 100 yrs.” My bad.

  • Evidence for radio show: Coinciding with the America attack has been a total blackout of all reports from the region, including Twitter and Facebook postings, a total cleansing of all reports of the American bombing with the exception of Veterans Today, TASS and Russia Today. Even the statements of President Putin, and he mentions the American attack on 3 occasions, are banned from all western press and cleansed from the internet.

    The Pentagon plan is specifically biological warfare and not the first time it has been used in Syria. The Free Syrian Army, with both Israeli and American special operations advisors with every unit, has targeted water supplies across Syria, particularly Damascus.

  • This post is for all Carolinians (AND INFANTTYRONE, our music Majordomo) and fans of James Taylor who wrote this song: “Carolina In My Mind”

    This cover is by a local Atlanta, Georgia band that after 40 years is still going strong. Banks and Shane. I remember them so well and this was my favorite of all their tunes. A snappy version of the Taylor original but far far better in my opinion. I have it on an l.p. that was recorded live at Symphony Hall, Atlanta, probably sometime in the 80’s, but I’m not sure of that.

    It starts at 2:15 and goes until 5:20.

    Get on your feet and dance with somebody!

  • Howdy Mark:

    RE: Bio War

    How about this: it’s really a health center for Mr Lugar pets.

    “In June, the Russian Foreign Ministry accused the US of encircling Russia with bioweapons labs, as well as obstructing international efforts to eradicate biological weapons.

    One of Russia’s particular concerns is the Richard G. Lugar Center for Public and Animal Health Research, a research facility for high-level biohazard agents, located near Tbilisi, Georgia, a CIS member and Russia’s neighbor.

    “American and Georgian authorities are trying to cover up the real nature of this US military unit, which studies highly dangerous infectious diseases. The Pentagon is trying to establish similar covert medico-biological facilities in other countries [in Russia’s neighborhood],” the Russian ministry said in June.

    At the time, Moscow also blamed the US for derailing “decades of international effort to strengthen” the Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention (BTWC), a 1972 international treaty aimed at eradicating bioweapons worldwide.”

  • Colin,

    I see we are of the same mind on these issues. I agree it will be extremely hard, if possible at all, for any humans to survive another 100 years. Sometimes, herbs and plants do come to the rescue of those who are attentive but the mess that civilization might leave behind in the wake of its demise might just be too overwhelming.

    We’re definitely looking at functional extinction, if not total extinction.

  • “The decline and de-evolution of human endeavor in the last 100 years truly does astound sometimes. Civilization seems to have simply aged, gotten Alzheimer’s, and gone insane. Like a being having spent its life.”

    But there were spike periods of “destruction” over a longer period than that? Over 200 years? I’m thinking of 19th century spike in smoke stack industries, railways, mechanized agriculture? I really haven’t studied this, but I know there was some opposition, the Arts And Crafts movement among them, to the industrial trends of that century. (Those objectors would faint at the first sight of the present world!)

    Older people like me have first-hand experience of another spike, one that started after WWII but took off at warp speed in the 60s. Normalcy bias makes it hard to get one’s mind around it. Not only has population more than tripled since WWII, it has more than doubled in just the last 40 years alone. Life before WWII (and I was born before the war) and life after have to be distinguished between them.

    So there was a loss in quality as old movie temples got torn down for replacement by sterile glass boxes, old places with character and quality construction got erased by freeways, and a lot more. Conversely, there was massive quantitative increase through suburban sprawl (houses built of ticky tacky), and of course population hyper explosion. Then dismantling of the industrial infrastructure, the offshoring of manufacture, and plastic crap from China…

    Sorry for the apparent lecturing; I just want to make the point about the extreme quantitative and qualitative change over the last 70 years. It’s something unique in human history, very likely a hyper-sped-up terminal event, like circling the drain (or even more dramatic than that), that should not be overly conflated with what preceded it.

  • Thanks SHEP, what a PET project!!!

    Worst impacts BEFORE 2c Temp rise, Freshwater scarcity also appears to worsen rapidly prior to two degrees warming, and worsen more slowly after. The ruining of crop land appears to slow down around 3 degrees of warming, after significant damage, as indicated by the steep upward slope of the red line, has already been done. The same holds true for damage to UNESCO World Heritage sites.
    The paper also does away with another common trope: that as the effects of climate change get worse, governments will feel more and more pressure to do something about it, like dramatically reduce emissions. But, Caldeira says, the opposite is probably true.

    “Once all the sensitive components of our planet are already damaged, incentive to decrease emissions may decrease…. The incentive to avoid climate change may be greatest before we have done substantial damage.”

  • Addressing Emergent Threats – C.A.P. 2016

    National Biodefense Analysis & Countermeasure Center collaborates with the Department of Defense and National Institutes of Health to plan and conduct research to address gaps and needs in biodefense. For example, NBACC worked with other federal agencies to provide characterization and analysis of potentially dangerous pathogens that could pose a threat to the Homeland Security Enterprise.

    NBACC also coordinates with other national laboratories to enhance research capabilities, share lessons learned, and provide training more efficiently.

    Please notice that most Federal Job descriptions include working for the security of our corporate partners. USA, China, Russia and all countries are financed by multi-national conglomerates.

    ENTERPRISE means allegiance to global military-industrial network. The 2016-17 5.6 billion biodefense CONTAGION ACTION plan is updated United Nations Agenda 21 De-population event that can be implemented in many cities. There is a plan. Prior to talking about this, I have submitted previous cases in portions here and on NBL for evidence. Careful research on this to prove a high probability for action awaits when extensive consumer populations are no longer of benefit to “enterprise”

    Capitol Cities will be effected. A warning to keep in mind for those who want to survive potential “accidential” Biohazard events.

  • Chris Hedges often talks about industrial capitalism devouring itself. It seems to me that this beast makes no distinction between the aboriginal hunter gatherer and the small historic American town. They attack and erase either in the same way, with the same tool, for the same cannibalistic reasons. In a way, the hunter gatherer and the preservation-oriented westerner are the same. The beast–I think of naming it Unlove–only pretends to distinguish between east and west, north and south.

  • Well said, Artleads! It’s the usual divide and conquer strategy that seems to always work. There’s a hierarchy in place. Those close to nature come in last, at the bottom of the pyramid. The tribal societies of the world are the worst affected by the depredations of those who are furthest from nature, who you call Unlove. The rural American is only a step above on the pyramid, still directly dependent on nature a lot more than the urban American. One by one, it’s everyone’s turn to be affected by Unlove.

    Unless one has a spiritual personal coping method to take it all in stride.