Interview for Press TV, “Clathrate Gun” Video

I was interviewed for the 18 February 2016 episode of “Economic Divide” on Press TV. Description and embedded video are here. Scroll to the bottom of the page for the full episode. And please keep in mind the name, thus the focus, of the show.

Upon request, I created a short video describing evidence underlying the firing of the clathrate gun. The video is embedded below.

McPherson was interviewed on Saturday, 16 January 2016 by Chuck Mertz for This is Hell! The radio interview is described and embedded here. A transcript appeared a few days ago, and can be found here.

McPherson’s latest book is available in audio, and can be purchased here. Ms. Ladybug and Mr. Honeybee: A Love Story at the End of Time is intended for ages 11 and up.

Thanks to Roblyn Crawford for initiating a fund-raising campaign in support of my speaking tours. It’s here. Please share widely. Roblyn is also seeking volunteers to support a May speaking tour in California. If you’re willing to host, drive, or otherwise provide logistical support, please send her a message: booking@crawfordsattractions.com

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Comments 139

  • Great “This is Hell” interview Guy. Excellent questions, excellent answers and excellent technical quality.

  • Since such a large percentage of commenters here strongly cling to their dualist religious/ spiritual/ “non-physical consciousness” beliefs, holding onto a convenient double standard regarding science: embracing it when it supports their ideas, and rejecting and/or hating it when it does not, I expect that few here will have much interest in the documentary titled “The Unbelievers”, 1 hr 17 min, with Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss. But I thought I would mention it anyway. I consider this an excellent documentary that questions religious/ spiritual/ “non-physical consciousness” reasoning, all variations on the same underlying split brain-body, dualist magical thinking so often and so loudly proclaimed here at NBL and in many other places in our society as The Truth. Notice the point made at about 32 minutes about politicians having to lie about their religious beliefs in order to get elected, a fascinating point indeed in a society that takes great pride in its alleged “religious freedom”. How much religious freedom does a society actually have when its most powerful elected leaders at all levels, local to national, have to pass a religious litmus test in order to get elected?

    “You are far more insignificant than you thought” (at 45 minutes). Now therein lies a severe problem! This statement clashes severely with our deeply embedded, grandiose, human supremacist belief: “No! I MUST BE significant in the universe!” (Well, if not individually, collectively we humans certainly have proven ourselves significant on Earth: producing global ecological collapse and the 6th mass extinction, quite possibly killing all life on the planet.) “How could anyone argue against reason?” One can go to NBL any day to see some arguments for—and many against—empirically based reasoning. As we have seen so often here at NBL, some people love to blame reasoning based on empirical evidence for our self-annihilation trap thus making the processes of natural science a scapegoat. Of course I think exactly the opposite: a LACK of empirically based reasoning, instead relying throughout most of human evolutionary history on an infinite variety of religions, spirituality, and a “non-physical consciousness”, have led humans to behave in the emotionally and practically very unintelligent ways that have produced our self-annihilation trap. Meanwhile, this lack of empirically based reasoning surely occurred for reasons based in our biological evolution, so it does not make much sense to “blame” our predecessors, or ourselves, for our predicament. In my opinion, religion, spirituality, and “non-physical consciousness” definitely remain on the table for rational discussion here or anywhere else. Empirically based reasoning (natural science), flies you to the moon. Cartesian dualistic reasoning—an emotion-driven reliance on religions, spirituality, and “non-physical consciousness”—flies you into buildings, AND it ultimately kills planets. Or so it seems to me.

    If interested, one will find The Unbelievers available at NetFlix and other sources. As I have said and written many times, I do not think that empirical evidence and reasoning based on it serve as the only way we gain knowledge about the universe, but I do think that it serves as by far the most reliable, least biased, and most trustworthy way. If someone disagrees with this, might you tell about (1) your allegedly superior, more reliable, less biased, more trustworthy source of knowledge, including how it supposedly does not amount to dualistic magical thinking and/or reliance on some authority, often allegedly infallible, and (2) how you rationalize your double standard, referring to science when it supports your thinking and beliefs while denying its relevance when it does not? To assume the answers before asking the empirical questions, as so many of us so often do regarding many different issues, gets us nowhere. If we live in a world not subject to question, as so many of us insist with our reliance on various allegedly infallible religious, spiritual, and “non-physical consciousness” authorities, we live in a world where thinking has stopped. (Hmm. I just realized: in many cases that thinking never started.)


  • @Bud Nye

    … an emotion-driven reliance on religions, spirituality, and “non-physical consciousness”—flies you into buildings, AND it ultimately kills planets.

    Hahaha, have you worked for the former Bush administration or what?! That’s just the old anti-islam propaganda of white supremacist US, hahaha.

    Hmm. I just realized: in many cases that thinking never started.)

    Uhm, could very well be. Then maybe start thinking before making comments 😎

    Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.

    Albert Einstein

    The atoms or elementary particles themselves are not real; they form a world of potentialities or possibilities rather than one of things or facts.

    ― Werner Heisenberg

  • Hey Werner: if those particles aren’t real, wtf are you talking about?

    Thanks for the videos Guy – great information presentation.

    Looks like farming will be problematic around the globe this year. Here’s just ONE example among many:

    Argentina declares flood emergency in six key farm provinces
    http://news.yahoo.com/argentina-declares-flood-emergency-six-key-grains-provinces-134630054.html

    [If it isn’t water scarcity, or too much at once, it’s aberrant weather, plant diseases and pests.]

  • Nice quotes.


  • @Bud Nye

    Spirituality is as old as mankind. No Religion, no Spirituality, no Myths means NO culture. ALL culture around the world has spiritual roots. All religious/spiritual and cultural questioning goes beyond mundane materialistic thinking. The only species that got a conscsiousness about Death is the human species. With consciousness of Death (and asking, what goes beyond Death) started religion/spirituality AND Culture. It’s not just some funny phantasy of some stupid dreamers or something, it is the basis of every culture.

    Tell me ONE single culture without religious/spiritual/mythical roots! You will not find any! Even the fucking materialistic notion of modern, materialistic thinking is embeded in MYTHS. There is NO culture without Myths, not a single one. You think your perception of reality is based on materialistic, rational “facts” only? Funny.

    Religion/spirituality is about to constitute a connection to the Order of the Universe, you will never get a living relationship to Mother Nature, to the Universe just through tearing things to pieces in some materialistic laboratory. Yeah, but I know, materialistic modern Empire likes to tear everything into peaces, because it wants to CONTROL Nature and humankind, hahaha. You will see, who will control whom in the long run 😎

    The old fight between science and spirituality, the old seemingly conflict between science and spirituality, the old conflict of mind and matter has been made up by Empire to divide, confuse and control the people, hahaha. I just call it Doublethink and Doublespeak.

    http://principiadiscordia.com/bip/1.php

  • doublestink.

  • on the brink.

  • @ Tom
    Particles do not exist until they are observed (this is called making a measurement). this causes the collapse of the wave function and the particulate nature is revealed.
    @ Bud Nye
    Dawkins makes an exception for Buddhism in his anti-religious arguments. In Buddhism, there is no creator god, and the existence of gods in general is not addressed, as it is not important to the goal of self-understanding. Belief or faith has no value in Buddhist discipline, and any “learning” that is achieved is through individual endeavor, not divine intervention.

    Relating to the comment on quantum mechanics “It is continued self-observation which gives rise to the material aspect of my brain”
    -From a Buddhist Neuroscientist.

    Best Wishes Everyone.

  • @ Guy
    So a couple of years ago I attended a talk where a NOAA expert on clathrates was explaining that all the continental shelf clathrate deposits were too deep and too cold to release their methane. This was before the reports of the hundreds of seeps off the eastern seaboard, and the water warming to 700 meters. I asked him about the arctic, and he said that that could be a different story, but he’d really never studied it because he specialized in Gulf of Mexico clathrate deposits. How much do you think this focus on analysis at the expense of synthesis is affecting climate science?
    Thanks.

  • Thanks for your question, Feed Jake. In my experience, scholars tend to be extremely narrow in their scholarship. The university system rewards this behavior, while the occasional academician simultaneously points out its lunacy. I’ve little doubt the NOAA expert to whom you spoke was rewarded for his laser-like attention to clathrates in the Gulf of Mexico. His unwillingness to speak about clathrates in other locales is classic academic behavior.

  • Feed Jake,

    February 20th, 2016 at 9:01 am, you wrote (1) “Particles do not exist until they are observed (this is called making a measurement). this causes the collapse of the wave function and the particulate nature is revealed.” While this holds true at the sub-atomic level, it does not hold true at the human scale of measurement, including measurements we make with our most powerful light microscopes. People OFTEN fail to understand the many, critically important differences between sub-atomic physics and human scale physics confusing and conflating them. At the human scale, atomic and sub-atomic particles act as statistical mass aggregates, not as individual, sub-atomic particles, and so, at our human scale Newtonian laws apply, not the laws of quantum mechanics as so many people so often and glibly suggest. As you suggest, many rationalists insist that no universe exists until some human perceives it. While an element of truth exists in that idea at the sub-atomic scale, empiricists, such as I, consider this a grossly distorted, narcissistic, human supremacist view, of the human scale. We believe that a universe exists whether any (mere) humans perceive it and conceive it, or not. If a tree falls in the woods and no one sees or hears it, did it fall? While you might say no, I would say “Of course the tree fell. I do not see myself in particular, nor humans in general, as the center of the universe. We do not create the universe through our perceptions of it, no matter how comforting that sense of godly power may feel. The universe existed long before we arrived to perceive and conceive it, and it will exist long after we have become extinct.” Or so it seems to me.

    You wrote (2) “’It is continued self-observation which gives rise to the material aspect of my brain’ –From a Buddhist Neuroscientist.” This strikes me as nothing more than a Buddhist neuroscientist’s restatement of Descartes’ famous “I think therefore I am”, which seems to me completely out of touch with biological reality and exactly backward. It seems to me that FIRST we exist as biological animals with complex nervous systems. THEN, sometimes, some of us may think. And, just like all other animals and all plants, we exist whether we “think” with any conscious self-awareness or not. Our biological brain-with-body-sensory-systems give rise to our observations, not the other way around as Descartes, the Buddhist neuroscientist, and many other rationalists insist. Or so it seems, pretty obviously, to me.

  • ” at our human scale Newtonian laws apply, not the laws of quantum mechanics” – debunked by the cat paradox. You say: “We do not create the universe through our perceptions of it” … then you say: “Our biological brain-with-body-sensory-systems give rise to our observations”… thus you disagree with yourself.

  • @Bud Nye
    (Please pardon the third post)
    First, I did not claim the observer had to be human. Second the uncertainty principle holds even at the macroscopic level. The wave function that we call the Moon starts to spread and disperse when not being observed, but so slowly that it is observed again well before any significant observable change (to human eyes) has occurred. There is a guy that runs an interferometer at Stanford. He sends sodium nuclei through the diffraction grating one at a time, and they form an interference pattern on the hot wire detector behind. If you ask him “What is really going on in that machine?” he answers “The problem is that you think there is a reality inside there.” Which seems like an unsatisfying answer until you realize that reality does not exist until it is observed and the particulate nature is forced to manifest.

    The same concept can be applied to relativity, certainly at the macroscopic level. If I have two space ships moving away from each other at 0.999c, which one does time slow down on? The answer is that reality does not exist until you choose a frame of reference. You are forced to choose a frame of reference, at which time the answer can be determined–it’s the one you did not choose as your frame of reference that time slows down on (to the observer, of course). Also, by extension, relativity necessitates that all time exists now.
    Thank you for your efforts, and best wishes.

  • @Bud Nye the science guy.

    “…holding onto a convenient double standard regarding science: embracing it when it supports their ideas, and rejecting and/or hating it when it does not…”

    Um, science is a method of discovery Bud, not a philosophy. You seem to be confused about this.

    “Or so it seems to me.”

    That’s right Bud, ‘it seems to you.’ Gosh, that sort of sounds like a belief, doesn’t it? In fact, materialism is just that … a belief, and it’s not to be confused with science, which is merely a method of discovery and not a philosophy or a belief at all. Again, you seem to be unable to separate these two very different concepts from each other.

    There’s been a tremendous amount of empirical evidence collected through careful objective observations made by scrupulous researchers to back up a plethora of metaphysical theories. However, when one clings to the philosophy of materialism (which is a belief system) in the same way a religious fundamentalist clings to any of empire’s concocted religions, you get little more than just another group of people ignoring evidence in order to uphold their ‘little box’ belief system.

    Standing some distance away from either conviction, I find little difference between Richard Dawkin’s beliefs and Oral Roberts beliefs, neither of which has to do with science, which is purely a method, not a philosophy. Dawkin’s is as guilty of ignoring empirical evidence to suit his belief structure as any religious fundamentalist is.

    And yes, your views on 911 demonstrate clearly how compromised your thinking is Bud. When you start equating ALL spiritual seeking with terrorism, well, now your just showing how little you yourself use empirical evidence to guide your own thinking. I personally think you sound thoroughly brainwashed Bud, but thanks for that heavy dose of empirical propaganda.

    P.S. Hey Einstein, thanks for having an emotional panic in thinking Germany was on the verge of developing a nuclear weapon and imploring the US government to get on with developing their own. What a stupid, stupid man that Einstein was getting sucked in by his emotions like that. Thanks for that schmuck face. The most threatening thing to ever manifest on our planet, as China prepares to build 500 new nuke plants, and all thanks to the religion of materialism. Not the fault of science of course, which I again remind you is just a benign method of discovery, and is not to be confused with the belief system of materialism. Materialism is a merely a philosophy, and one that ignores and suppresses many scientific discoveries in order to prop up it’s weak and incomplete little set of beliefs.

    Yay science! (a process, a method)
    Boo fundamental materialism! (a belief, a conviction, an exercise in fundamentalist thinking.)

    No Bud, nobody say’s you can’t have this debate. But labeling meta physicians as terrorists is not really making an argument is it, it’s more like desperate propaganda from someone with a lot invested in their own (small b) belief system. I feel for ya Bud, it must be tough being stuck where you’re at in the consciousness (r)evolution. Don’t worry though, you may just sort it out yet. Maybe some good science might help you to overcome your fearful addiction to materialism. Maybe not though.

  • Paul Chefurka ~

    btw, I don’t know if you ever visit Satish’s site, but if you are interested in more info, I posted a couple of things expanding on my experience here, and here.

    leading up to this experience, I was totally a materialist (belief!) science guy, with an open mind, and a lot of curiosity about things like Taoism, Cosmic Consciousness, and the ideas in the Gita, plus very modern takes on these kinds of things. I read a bunch, and I started doing yoga somewhat seriously. I think the most important key that unlocked things for me through books was Leaves of Grass. I was deep into that one when the experience linked above happened. very deep.

    LWA ~

    thanks for clearing up the difference between belief systems and methods of discovery. that is very helpful.

    some say that with meditation, yoga, and so on as a method of discovery, all you get is different takes on different experiences. from what I’ve seen, this couldn’t be further from the truth. the commonalities that are reported are astounding. there were many things I read about that made no solid sense to me until after my experiences. then they not only made sense, they were stunningly clear descriptions of things that I had experienced.

    one personal favorite of mine was a recent encounter I had with a “machine elf.” I had never heard of this concept, or looked into it at all, or read anything Terence McKenna had to say about this idea.

    when I actually met one in a very vivid dream, it turned out to be exactly as McKenna had described. it couldn’t have possibly been a more accurate match.

    this guy was wildly bizarre in very specific ways in my dream experience, and McKenna had known them as well as if he’d met the exact same creature a hundred times already.

  • Another day of less ice and more carbon dioxide, and people are still arguing about whether phenomena associated with subatomic particles apply to matter as we see it, or whether the matter we see is still there if we are not looking at it.

    There are a lot of things I am certain about, including that I am surrounded by idiots and that the western world is governed by fuckwits and liars.

    There are things I am less certain about, such as whether continued banking fraud can keep the global economic system going for more than another few months, and whether the Arctic sea ice will disappear this year and shift the Earth into a new, super-heated climate era.

  • “Since such a large percentage of commenters here strongly cling to their dualist religious/ spiritual/ “non-physical consciousness” beliefs, holding onto a convenient double standard regarding science: embracing it when it supports their ideas, and rejecting and/or hating it when it does not, ,”

    There is also the non-dualist recognition of “no-soul”, “no-god”.

    “all variations on the same underlying split brain-body, dualist magical thinking”

    The brain is part of the body. The “mind” is shorthand for the summation of the electrochemical states in the brain. There is absolutely no need to invoke “consciousness” or “awareness” in this regard.

    “In my opinion, religion, spirituality, and “non-physical consciousness” definitely remain on the table for rational discussion here or anywhere else.”

    That is the wallow of duality. There are those unwittingly still in that wallow, unable to see beyond it.

    “As I have said and written many times, I do not think that empirical evidence and reasoning based on it serve as the only way we gain knowledge about the universe, but I do think that it serves as by far the most reliable, least biased, and most trustworthy way. ”

    Non-dualism comes from empirical evidence. But that evidence precedes the realm of the (five+) senses, memory, emotion and intellect.

    “If someone disagrees with this, might you tell about (1) your allegedly superior, more reliable, less biased, more trustworthy source of knowledge, including how it supposedly does not amount to dualistic magical thinking and/or reliance on some authority, often allegedly infallible, and (2) how you rationalize your double standard, referring to science when it supports your thinking and beliefs while denying its relevance when it does not?”

    The magical thinking is the attribution of “conscious awareness” to those meat robots, the human forms now 7 billion+ strong. I do not share my awareness with anyone, and there is no way to prove that any of the human forms alive today have any “consciousness” or “awareness”. There is zero need to invoke “consciousness” when dealing with the phenomenal world: there is nothing besides science in this regard. There are no double standards, because as far as empirically demonstrable, no meat robot has “consciousness” or “awaresess”: a presumption of “consciousness” or “awareness” in others is pure magical thinking.

    “You think your perception of reality is based on materialistic, rational “facts” only?”

    Only if it excludes the magical thinking that all those meat robots out there must somehow be endowed with an empirically indemonstrable “consciousness”.

    “As you suggest, many rationalists insist that no universe exists until some human perceives it.”

    In the Vedic and associated traditions there are the doctrines (vada) of seeing (drishti) and creating (srishti).

    srishti drishti vada: created, thereby seen
    &
    drishti shristi vada: seen, thereby created

    The former posits an independent external reality, perceived by the senses, and is taught as a mainstream world-view in Vedic and associated (Buddhist, etc.) traditions. The latter rejects any external reality except as a construct within one’s perception, and is reserved for instruction of only the most advanced students.

    “It seems to me that FIRST we exist as biological animals with complex nervous systems. THEN, sometimes, some of us may think. And, just like all other animals and all plants, we exist whether we “think” with any conscious self-awareness or not.”

    Not just first, but middle and last also. “Thinking” is alterations in the mind, also describable as the “electrochemical configurations in the brain”. This carries zero implication of “consciousness” or “awareness”.

    “However, when one clings to the philosophy of materialism (which is a belief system)”
    &
    “Boo fundamental materialism! (a belief, a conviction, an exercise in fundamentalist thinking.)”
    &
    “your fearful addiction to materialism.”

    ‘Tain’t materialism until one drops the magical thinking that “all those meat robots out there have consciousness” and “awareness”. And materialism is not a belief system. It is the most solidly grounded recognition of reality.

    “as well as if he’d met the exact same creature a hundred times already.”

    That’s dualism. More realistic is being the creature.

  • @Kevin Moore: Fucking amazing, isn’t it.

  • Good work Guy.

    Dear Commenters,

    You guys are all crazy. Here’s a video to help you see why you can never win an argument online.

    Conversely, here’s a video on how to win an argument online.

    Good luck with that folks.

    All humanity only share 2 core beliefs, money and god.
    Neither of these things are real, we just made them up.
    I am a hardcore pacifist but that doesn’t mean that one second before I die, I won’t kiss god’s ass, beg forgiveness and punch him in the face.

    Navel gazers can tell there is no god just by sniff testing their belly button.

    Scientists are just as stupid if they think multiple universes and time travel are possible because of the sanctity of math.

    Be that as it may, upsetting people’s beliefs is important, it never works out as you hope, but you never know.

    For example:

    How To Explain Collapse To Child-Like Adults from collapse

  • “It is the most solidly grounded recognition of reality.”

    until one takes the advanced class, and realizes that everything one learned earlier was hooey? no wonder I hated school so much.

    ~

    hungry tiger, heading your way!!

    “That’s dualism.”

    aaaeeeeeEEEEAAAAAHHHH!!!!

    “More realistic is being the creature.”

    or being eaten by the tiger.

    cheers,
    ~ mo

  • My previous link to a reddit post I wrote about renewable energy was removed for being “misleading”. lol. I don’t know too much about reddit, but the moderators at the collapse sub-reddit are fucking idiots. But, that’s what you get for fucking with people’s beliefs, especially in my smoothly abrasive manner.

  • So, a class 5 typhoon, possibly new record holder AND an earthquake.

    http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/us10004rdp#general_region

    I am Reading the Peacock book on the Clovis period and it reminds me of James Douglass’ book “JFK and …” Douglass’ book (and my teflon twin for arrests agrees) was not his best best, it jumped back and forth too much, but was the book he had wanted to write for soooo long and came from his heart. I am just started on Peacock’s book about life with the sabretooth tigers and am nibbling at it. It will not result in the vast re-organization of my belief systems that Douglass’ book was, but I will enjoy. Just want to say thanks for having Mr. Peacock on the show previous.

    And as Mr. Moore says, ohlawdhamercy, another long extended squabble about the reality of nonreality of potemkin universes made out of cat guts from Heisenbergs cat.

    Warm winter in winterpeg, but still have snow as opposed to Feb 20 in 2000.

    Don’t feed the nissa.

  • Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wgah’nagl fhtagn.

  • We Talk the Thermodynamics of Civilization with Professor Tim Garrett
    Unspun: An Experiment in Truth-Telling Doug Bennett 9:00am, 2-13-2016

  • Chuck Mertz: How dangerous is it to ourselves, individually, to be in this kind of denial that you are suggesting? Because what’s been happening within American culture over the last twenty or thirty years is this embrace of individualism and the undermining of a collective approach to addressing problems.

    Guy McPherson: That’s the very crux of the issue, isn’t it? We think that we Americans are somehow exceptional, that we’re not prone to the same kind of misfortune as all those other people, so we continue to act as individuals instead of coming together as a society. And whenever there has been any sort of movement to come together as a society in a beneficial manner (as happened during the Vietnam War era, for example: the people focused on environmental protection and civil rights and ending the Vietnam War were all the same people), it has led to a tremendous fracturing of society. So we’re in this strangely difficult situation—and now it’s too late to take any real effective action.

    Some facts that back this up: In today’s South Carolina Republican primary 75% of voters were born-again evangelical Christians, in Iowa it was 64%. Gallup polls show that about 40% of Americans believe that Jesus will come and end the world soon. So we’ve got nearly half of the country, who because of their religious beliefs, don’t care about the future and would immediately walk out of any conversation about climate change. And since only 36% of people vote in Congressional elections it means that these people have the power to elect a majority, which they just did. This means that any effective action on climate change in the US will never happen. You would have to remove an anti-science religious philosophy that deeply affects nearly half the country–now how likely is that?

  • Zika Monsanto Connection: Poisonous Water
    http://disinfo.com/2016/02/zika-mainstream-media/
    Strangely, there have been no cases of Zika with birth defects in Africa where the virus was discovered. Also, there have been no cases of microcephaly in any country affected by Zika other than Brazil, such as Colombia, which has the highest incidence of the virus after Brazil.

  • @ kevinmoore

    “Another day of less ice and more carbon dioxide, and people are still arguing about whether phenomena associated with subatomic particles apply to matter as we see it, or whether the matter we see is still there if we are not looking at it.” This question puzzled Einstein, so it can’t be an idiotic question. Ice and carbon dioxide didn’t puzzle Einstein at all.

  • ROBERT SAID – “All humanity only share 2 core beliefs, money and god.
    Neither of these things are real, we just made them up.”

    Stop believing in god and nothing happens.

    Stop believing in money and you die.

  • @Batman don`t beat up yourself about it
    The universe came into existence in a “big bang” …for no reason, in an instant -Terence Mckenna . That shows its instability it can come apart in another instant and not just this planet with its piss ass extinction and co2 methane problem the whole universe can go up in a puff of air (not even into that that would be already to much a puff of air compared to absolute emptiness way less into nothing i mean into nada zero zilch existence . So why worry all things can be made to nothing into NIX right now without your worry of co2 or whatnot

  • 16th Feb 14.208 millionkm2
    17th Feb 14.203
    18th Feb 14.186
    19th Feb 14,180
    20th Feb 14.166

    https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charctic-interactive-sea-ice-graph/

    The chance of this changing direction and ‘burying itself’ in the 2 standard deviation band have been getting remoter by the day, and the chance of the planetary meltdown accelerating over the coming northern summer have been increasing by the day.

  • Oops, bad grammar. has been.

  • Guy’s methane summation is excellent.

    Now add this to it:

    Watch 4 World Renowned Scientists Say Renewable Energy Will Not Solve Climate Catastrophe*

    * all lined up and ready to go.

    William Rees
    Peter Wadhams
    Vaclav Smil
    Kevin Anderson

    http://lokisrevengeblog.wordpress.com/2016/02/19/math-easy-english-hard/

  • http://www.netc.com/

    Nuclear Emergency Tracking Center

    Netc.com is an Early Warning Radiation System that takes data from private radiation monitoring stations and EPA network and creates a RBL
    (Radiation Background Level) for each 3000+ stations everyday.

  • Yawn. Einstein wouldn’t be interested in these things. Is the Moon still there if we are not looking at it?

  • Guy,

    I am of the opinion that the entire human race is nothing more than inculcated liars, in which there are very few exceptions, especially within a capitalist construct.

    We can claim to be radicals, revolutionaries, anarchist, libertarians, homesteaders, new-age woo gurus, preppers…etc., but at the end of the day, we’ve been indoctrinated into being obliged towards one thing above all else, and that’s making money. In spite of all our most noble intentions and presumed moral imperatives, they all play second fiddle to the necessity of sustaining an income.

    NTE is little more than billions of people needing to make a buck. Making money is sine qua non of ecological overshoot, period. Of all our failings in which we’ve given name such as greed, ignorance, callousness, envy…..they all factored into creating a system we’ve been both subjugated, yet willing participants all our lives; the only alternative to growth has only ever been fantasy.

    Nothing any of us have ever imagined we’ve achieved in this life has been accomplished outside the rubric of finance; our most honorable and principled positions are only a degree or two removed from the question of funding. And that’s terribly problematic to say the least, because it makes us all far more than just hypocrites, it makes us profound liars through and through, even in spite of acknowledging our hypocrisy. Just because a serial killer becomes self-aware, he is no less a serial killer.

    I could argue that we are functionally nothing more than indentured captives within the inescapable confines of our economy, where anyone who has ever thought they had somehow shuck off the shackles in the cave in discovering the light of day, were ultimately only slightly more creative in their shadow play.

    No one alive today—at least within the IC—has ever lived outside a state of chronic duplicity; literally every thought or action has only ever been an act of self-deception. Each of us, so beholden to the economy out of fear of destitution, it’s practically a form of predetermination within industrial civilization. The looming fear of not being able to support ourselves has been the only imperative in existence for centuries. Or are we going to pretend Michael Ruppert’s suicide wasn’t most likely preceded by an empty bank account?

    So Guy, I’m going to ask you a couple of questions you will most likely feel are too personal and therefore none of my business, but that’s just another turn of our inculcated bullshit IMO; a way hiding our duplicity, because our financial status pretty much determines most of our decisions in this life, whether we know it or not, and I suspect you are no different.

    So, how are you currently financially supporting yourself; where’s your money coming from? What flow of money is allowing you to tour the world giving presentations on NTE?

    Since you don’t seem to be holding down a day job, I’ll assume you’re still living off the savings/pension from your tenure in academia, yes?

    How much did your earlier imperial savings factor into you thinking it wise to “walk away from empire” in the first place, compared to having come to regret that decision, given that nest egg probably isn’t what it once was?

  • Daniel, I can’t imagine a dozen people within IC would answer your extremely personal questions. They are none of your business. But my life is an open book, and I suspect I’m infinitely more honest than the typical person within IC, so I’ll answer, against my better judgment.

    All of my speaking tours are financed through donations. Click the link above to pitch in.

    I spent my “retirement” funds on this homestead. Between the >$500K spent here and the >$700K income forgone, perhaps you can understand why I view the move as an error. Perhaps not, though. An extra $1.2 million and a healthy stream of income would allow me many more opportunities to get the word out.

    Your final question is redundant, so I’ll ignore it. My wife pays for groceries with her paltry income. And we share property with people far more typical of IC than us. Ergo, mistakes have been made.

  • Those who have never been a part of sociery, metaphorically snarling, whining, unkempt and bedraggled by society’s statdards, remain unacquainted with the metrics of society.

    As an aside, Patton came from a wealthy California family and served his working life in the US Army. Throughout that time he turned over his entire pay, allowances, and benefits to the Armf Soldier’s Relief Fund. He definitely didn’t work for money.

  • For firefighter professor McPherson a sad story from Tasmania World Heritage Area habitat of pencil pines: age 1000 year & alpine flora.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-30/fire-ravages-world-heritage-area-tasmania-central-plateau/7127300

    http://www.smh.com.au/environment/explainer-why-is-tasmanias-world-heritage-area-burning-20160205-gmn9ay.html

    And more on the western more dry area of Tasmania. For a complete MODIS image:
    https://www.nasa.gov/image-feature/goddard/2016/eighty-bushfires-ignite-parts-of-tasmania

    In Indonesia they do that hardcore style to gain economic development.

    Worldbank: “Between June and October 2015, an estimated 2.6 million hectares—or 4.5 times the size of Bali— burned to clear land for production of palm oil, the world’s highest value non-timber forest crop, used in food products, cosmetics, biofuels.”

    http://blogs.worldbank.org/voices/seeing-impact-forest-fires-south-sumatra-view-field

    Poor people having to deal with health issues. Never mind the killing field that has been left behind. Soil erosion? What soil erosion it’s fertile ground, let’s see when a monsoon like downpour will hit the region and they cry wolf when they suck on a mountain.

    And then on another note, like BTW… The spatial resolution we trust from satellite data and make conclusions with in most of the academic and scientific papers & the empirical climate models is totally crap. It’s even worse than I was bugging them about with the time delay interval, the resolution of 250m just doesn’t catch the true conditions, 5 m resolution from space, well that’s kinda impossible I think, by plane it’s about 30m per block if I remember right. The sea-ice at multi year ice satellite projected locations is cheesecake, aka rotten ice and has been for years according to Professor David Barber in TEDx session http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofaoiHYKtlc from the university at Manitoba Canada. I guess you already knew that, if You’ve been in touch with professor Wadhams, who must have been one of those 40 scientists, I don’t know but know he’s been up there. Anyhow that explains at least to me why the El Niño region is suddenly spanning the entire 4.0 region beyond the 3.4 region and why the simulation showed Antarctic thermohaline anomalies already back in 2012 and why we had the massive cold spot in the North Atlantic ocean SSTA. Not surprising that this is totally beyond academic consensus and knew it was bad but so bad I didn’t believe was even possible, top airco system failure, how long does that take to alter even more feedbacks, You remember the CH4 sea-ice paper that a whole bunch of GT’s of CH4 was stored in that multi-year ice that was replenished during seasons by current oscillations but was contained within the multi year ice with partly release during the melt season, did they drill that sample in winter.. with an yet to be determined and suggestive alternative source, same location as where Professor Barber cruised with their Canadian icebreaker.. I stop, all IPCC climate models are totally INVALID. Albedo, what Albedo. No wonder that the explorers that set out to make the journey were lost, they trusted sat data. What will the Gulf stream do next as it has altered it’s path already and has been unusually warm near the US east coast.

    Brrr this is cold.
    One more setback in the name of science.


  • Money has been installed as a nessecary evil, that means, most people on this planet can’t live without money anymore. Ok. But what comes next? Is is about running after thousands and hundreds of thousands and millions and billions, like some seem to prefer or is it about keeping dependency on money low while not running after money too much? How much do you think you need? Do you carry a weight of millions and billions or do you keep your baggage small on this journey to an unknown land? Life is hard and short, it’s not worth to hunt for more and more and more money. Much money means little freedom, little money means much freedom, IMO.

  • Food under Ice

    ——–

    Nice article on why “renewables” won’t “work.” The idea is that they could work to maintain BAU (IC). But IC is a foolish idea anyway. It should be abandoned in place of small local hubs making their own soil (from all the shit they throw away now), harvesting all the rainwater, growing their own food. And if you can’t use fossil fuels or renewables to maintain body temperature, you need better home insulation, made from trash.

    Getting carbon out of the air, as prof. Wadhams advocates, is much harder…or at least I have no idea how it could be done. I imagine that covering every industrial surface exposed to the sun with vegetation wouldn’t hurt, meanwhile.

  • guy, great interview on ‘this is hell!’. thanks for sharing/representing once again.

    ‘There are a lot of things I am certain about, including that I am surrounded by idiots and that the western world is governed by fuckwits and liars.’

    smile. kevin moore, let’s not forget about the legions of fuckwits and liars at the ‘grass roots’ who support the fuckwits and liars at the top. taking that into consideration fills me with despair. fuckwits here, liars there, it seems fuckwits and liars are everywhere! (lol/cry/scream/despair)

  • http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-21/cyclone-winston-destruction-in-pictures/7187846

    Category Five Tropical Cyclone Winston, massive destruction,20 fatalities,largest most powerful cyclone ever recorded in the southern hemishere

    Thanks for your dedicated work GUY,i look forward,enjoy all your writing, interviews,radio shows,podcasts and videos.Keep up the good work.Keeps me in front of the bullshit, and keeps my mind clear with grounded Studied Science

  • Batman,

    February 20th, 2016 at 11:53 am you wrote quoting me “‘at our human scale Newtonian laws apply, not the laws of quantum mechanics’ – debunked by the cat paradox. You say: ‘We do not create the universe through our perceptions of it’ … then you say: ‘Our biological brain-with-body-sensory-systems give rise to our observations’… thus you disagree with yourself.” Batman, the Schrödinger’s Cat thought experiment poses the question, “when does a quantum system stop existing as a superposition of states and become one or the other?” Or: when does a quantum state stop existing as a linear combination of states, each of which resembles different classical states, and instead begin to have a unique classical (Newtonian) description? This thought experiment involves the subatomic scale, not the human scale of Newtonian physics. It involves questions about the behavior of subatomic particles on the extremely small-scale, far sub-microscopic borderline between the quantum scale and the classical Newtonian scale. Again, it does not involve the human scale. So, no, this thought experiment does not “debunk” what I wrote. I continue to argue that we do not “create the universe through our perceptions of it” as you and some others appear to wish to believe. Certainly we may create subatomic particles through our perceptions of them. But this remains a far, FAR cry from “the universe”(!) and, again, this involves the subatomic scale, not the human scale. Obviously I still maintain that “Our biological brain-with-body-sensory-systems give rise to our observations” not the other way around. So, no, I do not see how I supposedly “disagree with myself” as you have suggested.

    Feed Jake,

    February 20th, 2016 at 12:11 pm you wrote “First, I did not claim the observer had to be human.” With this comment do you mean to suggest that all animals that “observe” their environments thereby create the universe through their observations? Sorry. If you mean this, I disagree.

    You wrote “Second the uncertainty principle holds even at the macroscopic level.” No, you simply have this wrong. Though you appear to wish it otherwise, Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle applies to subatomic quantum mechanics, not to the human scale.

    You wrote “There is a guy that runs an interferometer at Stanford. He sends sodium nuclei through the diffraction grating one at a time, and they form an interference pattern on the hot wire detector behind. If you ask him ‘What is really going on in that machine?’ he answers ‘The problem is that you think there is a reality inside there.’ Which seems like an unsatisfying answer until you realize that reality does not exist until it is observed and the particulate nature is forced to manifest.” Again, this experiment and comment refers to the subatomic quantum scale, not to the human scale to which you have inappropriately applied it.

    You wrote “The same concept can be applied to relativity, certainly at the macroscopic level. If I have two space ships moving away from each other at 0.999c, which one does time slow down on? The answer is that reality does not exist until you choose a frame of reference. You are forced to choose a frame of reference, at which time the answer can be determined–it’s the one you did not choose as your frame of reference that time slows down on (to the observer, of course). Also, by extension, relativity necessitates that all time exists now.” Here you have moved far, far away from the subatomic scale way past the human scale to the other extreme, to the cosmic and speed of light scale. Again, this has nothing of a practical nature to do with human scale classical Newtonian physics. While it certainly applies to light, radio waves, and so on that approach the speed of light, things that have no mass, it has essentially nothing to do with the human scale wherein we can achieve, with our bodies that have mass, only a tiny fraction of one percent of the speed of light.

    LWA,

    February 20th, 2016 at 12:30 pm you wrote “Um, science is a method of discovery Bud, not a philosophy. You seem to be confused about this.” No, I have no confusion about this at all. Natural science occurs as a philosophical system of thought. Look a little bit into the history of science and you will see that for a very long time people referred to it as “natural philosophy”. And it does not work so much as a method of “discovery” as much as a method for constructing tentative, conceptual models of how we think the universe may work, constantly cross-checked and revised based on empirical evidence that either supports the possible model or fails to support it.

    You wrote “That’s right Bud, ‘it seems to you.’ Gosh, that sort of sounds like a belief, doesn’t it?” Correct. The things I write occur as thoughts and beliefs that I have constructed. Sometimes the things I write reflect feelings and emotions that I experience with my biological body and brain, including its many complex hormonal chemical systems.

    You wrote “In fact, materialism is just that … a belief, and it’s not to be confused with science, which is merely a method of discovery and not a philosophy or a belief at all.” Of course materialism exists as a belief, or more accurately as a philosophical collection of thoughts and beliefs. But, again, as I mentioned in my first paragraph above, natural science most certainly does fall under the heading of “a philosophy”.

    You wrote “There’s been a tremendous amount of empirical evidence collected through careful objective observations made by scrupulous researchers to back up a plethora of metaphysical theories.” Nice claim. I remain very aware that a number of people have made the claims you refer to. (1) Please provide a few example of the evidence to which you refer, and (2) I would like to refer you to The Skeptics Society, which has probably debunked most, or all, of the evidence to which you refer.

    You wrote “However, when one clings to the philosophy of materialism (which is a belief system) in the same way a religious fundamentalist clings to any of empire’s concocted religions, you get little more than just another group of people ignoring evidence in order to uphold their ‘little box’ belief system.” Especially since I do not know what you refer to by “materialism” I need to point out that I do not have a “materialist” philosophy. More precisely I have a physicalist philosophy based on reasoning about empirical evidence. If you do not understand the difference between materialism and physicalism, I suggest that you do a little research.

    You wrote “Standing some distance away from either conviction, I find little difference between Richard Dawkin’s beliefs and Oral Roberts beliefs, neither of which has to do with science, which is purely a method, not a philosophy. Dawkin’s is as guilty of ignoring empirical evidence to suit his belief structure as any religious fundamentalist is.” I strongly disagree. I see MANY, MAJOR differences between Dawkins’ and Roberts’ beliefs. To compare the two seems quite ridiculous to me. Contrary to your claim here, Roberts’ beliefs have little or nothing to do with science while Dawkins’ beliefs rest on a firm foundation of “natural philosophy” evidence and reasoning. The fact that Dawkins beliefs do not support some or all of yours does NOT thereby put him in the camp of Oral Roberts as you claim!

    You wrote “And yes, your views on 911 demonstrate clearly how compromised your thinking is Bud. When you start equating ALL spiritual seeking with terrorism, well, now your just showing how little you yourself use empirical evidence to guide your own thinking.” If you will look into recent history as well as the longer-term anthropological evidence, you will find that humans have fought a very large percentage of their wars, quite possibly most, based on various kinds of religious, spiritual, and “non-physical consciousness” beliefs. While I do not “equate all spiritual seeking with terrorism”, as you have suggested, I do continue to argue that dualist thinking very frequently does lead directly to violence, warfare, and terrorism while monistic, physicalist reasoning based on empirical evidence tends not to.

    You wrote “The most threatening thing to ever manifest on our planet, as China prepares to build 500 new nuke plants, and all thanks to the religion of materialism. Not the fault of science of course, which I again remind you is just a benign method of discovery, and is not to be confused with the belief system of materialism. Materialism is a merely a philosophy, and one that ignores and suppresses many scientific discoveries in order to prop up it’s weak and incomplete little set of beliefs. Yay science! (a process, a method) Boo fundamental materialism! (a belief, a conviction, an exercise in fundamentalist thinking.)” No Bud, nobody say’s you can’t have this debate. But labeling meta physicians as terrorists is not really making an argument is it, it’s more like desperate propaganda from someone with a lot invested in their own (small b) belief system. I feel for ya Bud, it must be tough being stuck where you’re at in the consciousness (r)evolution. Don’t worry though, you may just sort it out yet. Maybe some good science might help you to overcome your fearful addiction to materialism. Maybe not though.” As suggested by my comments above, all of this seems extremely confused and self-contradictory to me.

    Robin Datta,

    February 20th, 2016 at 2:17 pm you wrote “The brain is part of the body. The ‘mind’ is shorthand for the summation of the electrochemical states in the brain. There is absolutely no need to invoke ‘consciousness’ or ‘awareness’ in this regard.” I disagree. I think that the concepts of the physical processes of consciousness and awareness have much practical value. Meanwhile I have little use for the idea that an alleged, dualist “non-physical consciousness” somehow (magically) collects in humans and supposedly permeates the universe. While it makes sense and we have a practical need to construct the concepts of physical consciousness and awareness, it makes little sense empirically, and we have little practical need for the ever-so-popular, alleged “non-physical consciousness.”

    You wrote “Thinking” is alterations in the mind, also describable as the “electrochemical configurations in the brain”. Of course I agree with this. Then you wrote “This carries zero implication of ‘consciousness’ or ‘awareness’”. I disagree. We can, and do, classify in many useful ways certain behaviors as expressions of consciousness and awareness. (This does not suggest the existence of any “free will”.)

  • “I think that the concepts of the physical processes of consciousness and awareness have much practical value.”

    Particularly in magical thinking.

    “We can, and do, classify in many useful ways certain behaviors as expressions of consciousness and awareness.”

    Without any empirical evidence or proof.

  • Robin Datta,

    February 22nd, 2016 at 12:54 am you wrote “‘I think that the concepts of the physical processes of consciousness and awareness have much practical value.’ Particularly in magical thinking.” Perhaps. Meanwhile, the many decisions that many doctors, nurses, psychologists, and others make daily based on the concepts of consciousness and awareness have much helpful, practical utility, not a common characteristic of the “magical thinking” that you allege.

    You wrote “‘We can, and do, classify in many useful ways certain behaviors as expressions of consciousness and awareness.’ Without any empirical evidence or proof.” I doubt that many people reading this will agree with your “lack of empirical evidence” argument, given their strong sense of awareness and consciousness. Meanwhile, to me fMRI and similar studies of changes in brain function, self-recognition mirror studies of several non-human animal species, and similar behavioral studies of humans provide sufficient empirical evidence to make the use of the awareness and consciousness concepts and terms seem quite useful in non-magical thinking ways not only to me but to many other people as well.

  • .

    @Bud Nye

    all of this seems extremely confused and self-contradictory to me.

    Well, all of your opinions seem extremely confused and self-contradictory to me as well.

    To each his own I guess. I’ll leave you to your beliefs Bud.


  • To each his own I guess.

    I second that. Everyone has to live with his own Karma, his own conditionings, so everyone believes in his very own believe system anyway, everyone has to walk in his own shoes, after all, no need, to fight against the shoes of others. It’s about communication, you tell me your story and I tell you mine. That’s it.


    Hillary against Trump? OMG, I don’t like Mrs. Clinton, but man, if TRUMP wins the election, then the end of culture and sanity is near for sure. What a sick … this man is, fuck.

  • Industrial Civilisation is 100% obvious farce.

    “Imagine the following scenario: 207 million cardboard book boxes, end-to-end, circumnavigating Earth, like railroad tracks, going all the way around the planet. That’s a lot of book boxes. Now, fill the boxes with radioactive waste. Forthwith, that’s the amount of radioactive waste stored unsheltered in one-tonne black bags throughout Fukushima Prefecture, amounting to 9,000,000 cubic metres.”

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/02/22/fukushima-deep-trouble/

  • Guy really knows how to bring out lords of the flies eh?

  • “I second that. Everyone has to live with his own Karma, his own conditionings, so everyone believes in his very own believe system anyway, everyone has to walk in his own shoes, after all, no need, to fight against the shoes of others. It’s about communication, you tell me your story and I tell you mine. That’s it.”

    I like the direction here. But I wonder if you’ve read where some dictionary or other has made it “grammatical” to blend singulars and plurals. Like it would be OK to say, “Everyone has THEIR own Karma. I was relieved by this prospect. No need for the pesky and divisive “his” or “her.”

    This is about a potential new twist to the English language, and I’m still unclear about it. It’s not meant to criticize you!I love much of what you share, including the above.

  • 21st Feb 14.160 millionkm2, a loss of 5,000km2 from the revised figure.

    It is only the 2015 melt-and-refreeze pattern that can provide any sense of comfort now.

    https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charctic-interactive-sea-ice-graph/

  • One can never have “enough” money.

    Money is transitory by design. Everyone knows that even a billionaire can go bust.

    Every living human on the planet has survival as their first and foremost concern consciously or subconsciously we have no control over that it just is.

    Every human operating within IC understands intuitively that the one and only thing that insures survival is……MONEY.


  • @Artleads

    Everyone has THEIR own Karma. I was relieved by this prospect. No need for the pesky and divisive “his” or “her.

    You are right, I said it several times that my english is not good enough. I didn’t want to speak to someone explicit, I sometimes say “you” when I mean everyone.

    It’s not meant to criticize you!

    No no, I am always willing to learn better english, I need to learn better english to avoid misunderstandings. Thank you for your advice!

  • jef, everyone i know who lives for money is already a zombie…money doesn’t insure survival…it insures fear. you can break those chains of conditioning. i have. what you seem to consider a universal truth…is pure horseshit.

  • “Meanwhile, the many decisions that many doctors, nurses, psychologists, and others make daily based on the concepts of consciousness and awareness have much helpful, practical utility, not a common characteristic of the “magical thinking” that you allege.”

    All of them are meat robots executing their algorithms and appearing to make decisions.

    “I doubt that many people reading this will agree with your “lack of empirical evidence” argument, given their strong sense of awareness and consciousness. ”

    No one has awareness of consciousness in any other being, as already pointed out. A claim by a meat robot to “a strong sense of awareness and consciousness” is prima facie evidence of algorithms programmed to make such assertions. Even speciffic and discrete criteria could not suffice to make an attribution of consciousness: nothing short of being aware AS the awareness of the other will do.

    “Meanwhile, to me fMRI and similar studies of changes in brain function, self-recognition mirror studies of several non-human animal species, and similar behavioral studies of humans provide sufficient empirical evidence to make the use of the awareness and consciousness concepts and terms seem quite useful”

    Usefulness does not mean it is real. Ptolemaic concepts were useful. “fMRI and similar studies” and “self-recognition mirror studies” only show the structure and function of the machinery of meat-robots. They do nothing to make my consciousness be aware as the consciousness of another boing.

  • now people…repeat after me…”i’m not going to think about what the system wants me to think about.”

  • Yes, back to the subject at hand. As Kevin M. points out Arctic sea ice extent now seems firmly in the realm of “melt” rather than “re-freeze”. An article in my local paper wonders when this pattern of “wild weather” will end… The Weather Channel/Weather Underground maintains a delicate dance around the effects vs. underlying cause and the “Quibbling” as foretold by “Professor Quartermass” continues here unabated…

    No wonder I have this nagging impulse to find the “Doomsday Clock” and give it a nudge to “Midnite” and get it over with…

  • Nemesis,

    February 22nd, 2016 at 5:28 am you wrote “‘To each his own I guess.’ I second that. Everyone has to live with his own Karma, his own conditionings, so everyone believes in his very own believe system anyway, everyone has to walk in his own shoes, after all, no need, to fight against the shoes of others. It’s about communication, you tell me your story and I tell you mine. That’s it.” Other than the reference to “Karma” I largely agree with this. On the other hand, if you mean to suggest that everyone’s opinion has equal value—equal usefulness in life for people individually and in groups—as some people have suggested here in the past, then I disagree, and this points back to the essence of the monist/ dualist controversy. Some conceptual models of how the universe works, and our place in it, have much more usefulness, much more value, in helping us adapt and survive, get along well socially, feel peace, happiness and joy, and carry on at least one intimate relationship, than other models do. Though, certainly, we best give everyone equal opportunity respectfully to express their opinions, some opinions clearly have much more value than others cognitively, emotionally, and behaviorally.

    I agree with Artleads regarding the use of sexually prejudiced language. I think that it helps greatly to avoid doing that.

  • Bud ~

    you need to update some of your understandings of physics, it seems. the Schrodinger’s Cat paradox has everything to do with macro scale reality. the paradox has never been resolved for one thing, and for another, as experiments get closer and closer to “cat scale” reality, they favor the idea that the dead-alive superposition is in fact real. see first two links, both studies published in Nature.

    for relativity, tons of practical human scale relativistic effects have to be taken into account for the entire GPS system to work properly. these satellites and ground based systems are not moving at any appreciable fraction of the speed of light, yet GPS would not be possible without taking relativity into account. (third and fourth links)

    Scientific American:

    Macro-Weirdness: “Quantum Microphone” Puts Naked-Eye Object in 2 Places at Once

    “This is a milestone,” says Wojciech Zurek, a theorist at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico. “It confirms what many of us believe, but some continue to resist—that our universe is ‘quantum to the core’.

    Physics World:

    Schrodinger’s cat comes into view

    “Now Jonathan Friedman and co-workers at the State University of New York (SUNY) in Stony Brook have demonstrated a macroscopic Schrodinger cat state for the first time (Nature 406 43). In their experiment a superconducting device is placed in a quantum superposition of two states: one that corresponds to a current flowing through the device in a clockwise direction, and another that corresponds to an anti-clockwise current.”

    “The question is essentially whether the system remembers or forgets its quantum state as it tunnels. To answer this the Stony Brook team measures the probability of finding the current flowing in the anti-clockwise direction as the shape of the double-well potential is changed. The results are exactly as predicted by assuming that the system is in a macroscopic superposition of states. The difference between the two states corresponds to a current of 2 to 3 microamps or a magnetic moment of 10 billion Bohr magnetons, which is “truly macroscopic” according to Friedman and co-workers.”

    Relativity in the Global Positioning System

    “The Global Positioning System (GPS) uses accurate, stable atomic clocks in satellites and on the ground to provide world-wide position and time determination. These clocks have gravitational and motional frequency shifts which are so large that, without carefully accounting for numerous relativistic effects, the system would not work. This paper discusses the conceptual basis, founded on special and general relativity, for navigation using GPS. Relativistic principles and effects which must be considered include the constancy of the speed of light, the equivalence principle, the Sagnac effect, time dilation, gravitational frequency shifts, and relativity of synchronization. Experimental tests of relativity obtained with a GPS receiver aboard the TOPEX/POSEIDON satellite will be discussed. Recently frequency jumps arising from satellite orbit adjustments have been identified as relativistic effects. These will be explained and some interesting applications of GPS will be discussed.”

    A Trip Forward in Time. Your Travel Agent: Einstein.

    “The record holder for this type of travel, he said, is the Russian astronaut Sergei Krikalev, who came back from 748 days orbiting in the Mir space station a full one-fiftieth of a second younger than he would have if he had stayed on the ground.”

    Sergei’s human scale frame of reference was different than the human scale reference frames of the humans on Earth. two different reference frames. both human. different outcomes. Feed Jake has it right with every point he made.

    Robin ~

    the whole meat robot thing is just philosophy, with zero application to real word practical questions about consciousness or lack of, as Bud correctly points out. I’ve never quite understood why you push it so hard.

    yes, I get the bucket/water/sun analogy. so what? is that water talking with me, telling me about what it is learning, what it feels, how it is changing from one moment, or one year, to the next? no, it is just sitting there, reflecting the sun.

    once you get ahold of a talking bucket of water, let us all know. and once the AI guys create their own version of a talking, thinking, feeling bucket of water, then we can query that as well. we are not there yet.

    as an aside, not only is the meat robot idea just philosophy, but there are many hundreds of reports in NDEs, and occasionally other situations, where one observer is effectively able to “jump in” entirely to the reference frame of another observer, and share exactly that other observer’s awareness: every nuance of feeling, emotion, thought, etc, that one being has, is experienced by the other, as if the other was actually that being. see the many examples of this in life reviews, within NDEs, for example.

    from my perspective, this is naturally possible, because we all share just One Awareness, and we can overlap our awareness with pretty much any other being, given the right situations. simply because I can’t jump into another being’s awareness at will does not mean this isn’t fundamentally possible. our holographic fragments of the One’s awareness are there for a reason. even within ourselves, these fragments split up into countless other fragments.

    it matters not a whit that these fragments are not the entirety of the One, when I am sharing a bit of friendly conversation with a fellow being.

    thinking of my friend or myself as a meat robot has forever been a completely useless way of living life, or thinking about life, it seems to me.

    and yes, feel free to quote that part of the Gita again. the only problem is, it doesn’t mean what you think it means. or to put it more subtly, it isn’t meant to be used the way you use it.

    ~

    btw, in case anyone is still confused about this, the subject of this website is AGW, extinction, and human extinction, and ideas about life, love and excellence.

    yes, the data points, radiation and die offs are key. so is the idea that actual beings are involved also key. pixels moving day by day on a graph, people and life moving day by day through existence and towards death.

    it is actually a fairly big subject.

    if certain parts bother you, feel free to skip over them and get to the meat of what you are interested in. generally, swearing and acting like you are personally offended by what are just ideas being discussed politely by people, kind of makes you look like a…. well. your pick one of the choice words above. 🙂

  • “Steady states are useful idealisation of reality, but they are fictions”
    at around minute 23 http://kkrn.org/broadcasts/1220#volume

    this life has become an almost always out of body experience. I am going to explode.

  • Robin ~

    yes, this one.

    “A person in the divine consciousness, although engaged in seeing, hearing, touching, smelling, eating, moving about, sleeping and breathing, always knows within himself that he actually does nothing at all. Because while speaking, evacuating, receiving, or opening or closing his eyes, he always knows that only the material senses are engaged with their objects and that he is aloof from them.”

    do you really think Krishna would bother explaining everything to Arjuna, if he actually thought of Arjuna as a meat robot?

    what would be the point?

    there would be no point. Krishna is having the conversation with Arjuna for the same reason we all are, with each other.

    because it matters.

    not because we are just predetermined algorithms acting out our various programmed subroutines.

  • **because it matters…not because we are just predetermined algorithms acting out our various programmed subroutines.**

    Are you suggesting our behavior is not predetermined algorithms acting out our various programmed subroutines.

  • An aspect that was concerning me a few weeks ago was the unusually high annual-difference values in atmospheric CO2 readings. Subsequently there were many values not too far from ‘normal’. But the latest is high, at 4.34ppm.

    21st Feb 2015 400.67ppm
    21st Feb 2016 405.01ppm

    http://www.co2.earth/daily-co2

    We know that, despite its huge size, the Arctic sea ice sits ‘on a knife edge’, and that entering the normal melt season with by far the lowest ever ice cover and the highest ever atmospheric carbon dioxide loading is a recipe for disaster.

    On the lighter side, all the ‘100% economic collapse in February’ (some even specifying the 19th) crowd have egg on their faces. Everything is certainly getting worse, but I’m sure the central bankers can keep the game going quite a few more months via negative interest rates, propping up share markets and sending false signals to the general public via the mendacious mainstream media.

  • Pardon the third post or delete as necessary.

    Those who think they are materialists or physicalists nevertheless indulge in the ultimate magical thinking by attributing consciousness or awareness to material or physical entities. One is reminded of the physicists asking to allow just one miracle – the Big Bang. Meat robots show the way to true physicalism and materialism, without the woo of their magical thinking.

    There is what is known as the pentad, “prapancha”, the five components (of worldly stuff): existence, consciousness, contentment, name and form. All the attributes of an individual person that make that person an individual are in the last two components. The name and form constitute the meat robot. The being is in the first three and has no identity with the meat robot. One has to direct one’s address through the name & form when trying to draw attention to the true nature of the other’s being.

    In the reflection in the bucket metaphor, your awareness is the reflected light: it is your”self”.

  • Pardon the third post but this is highly relevant and emphasises the points made in the previous two:

    http://robinwestenra.blogspot.co.nz/2016/02/the-arctic-melt-season-may-already-have.html

  • @ Robin Datta
    I finally think I understand what you have been saying for so long. Thank you.

    @ Susan Leslie
    Thank you.

    Best wishes to you both

  • Hey Digix – Spoken like a person who has money or at least enough that they have the luxury of not having to worry about where it will come from.

    If not then tell me how you live.

    There is a chance you have maneuvered yourself into an advantageous situation. Problem is you represent about .0001% of the population.

  • @Jef
    Digix is all kind of things he was some great artist before making music out of this world and than some kind of enlightened master now he is a man of wealth . I am not wondering about him the least . The philosophical question arises thou “what do you do when you can do and be anything “? my guess ; A schizophrenic !?

  • @ Susan Leslie

    Thanks. Nice article.

    “They are questions, it seems to me, that can never be answered in any way other than the strictly personal. Sitting or acting; engagement or retreat; perhaps there need be no contradiction.”

    I’m learning to sit with things too. But since I’m a house plant that has never left his little corner, much less ever gone outside, I find the notion of sitting with nature rather grand. And although I look quite hard and appreciatively at the nature I see outside the window, I never imagine that is where I belong. I belong in the house, next to the table and the chair. They need compassion too.

  • .
    @EtyerePetyere

    You may have just made digix’s point for him by assuming his freedom means he’s a man of wealth.

    What if he’s penniless and gets by and doesn’t lust after money. It is achievable you know.

    Hmmm, what do you do when you can do and be anything ?

    How about not incarnated on this planet.

    I don’t have any trouble picturing a broke musician into metaphysics.

    With those assumptions, I’ll bet you work for the man, don’t you Etyere, and live in America?

    That’s sort of an American attitude about money you just displayed if you ask me. We’re not all American you know, even some who live there aren’t, at least not in spirit.

  • @ Susan Leslie

    Thank you, thank you for dropping that gem on the beach for those who follow the soft prints you leave in the sand. Some rich facets there:

    “What happens if you sit with the earth? If you reach down and touch it, if you call it as your witness? What happens if you let your own needs and demands fall away, and see the world outside you for what it is? I would suggest that, with the right quality of attention, we may come to know what is right for us as individuals, and what we can usefully do. This doesn’t mean that all will be well. All will not be well. It doesn’t mean we will necessarily end up any less confused or conflicted, either. It doesn’t mean we will never again experience the despair of knowing what we have done and what we are still doing and of all the things we are losing and can never bring back.
    But it does mean, or it could, that we are able to hold those feelings within us, to understand them and maybe reconcile them. It does mean that we can be done with denial and projection and false hope and false hopelessness. If we sit with the earth, with the trees and the soil and the wind and the mist, and pay attention, we may know what to do and how to begin doing it, whatever burden we carry with us as we walk.” Paul Kingsnorth

    Once upon a time the only king in the north was the ice – now, maybe the reign of the ice king is ending.

  • So I am still unnerved that the Tired of Climate CHange Deniers group is full of so much deluded hopeful wishful thinking about the eco utopia. “China ramps upwind power past the EU” — like this is some kind of miracle from Jesus that’s going to save the day. When wind is still 1% of Chinese energy use.
    So I went back to Nate Lewis of Caltech, who seems to be a rather informed and smart guy. He of the indispensable cold water in the face, wake up and smell the coffee Powering the Planet video from a decade ago http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUKqx2uk-Gs

    I went and found Lewis’ recent work in which he breaks it down still further and outlines point by point the horror unraveling BREAKING THE WALL OF THE GLOBAL ENERGY CHALLENGE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16IQhTiN6OI

    He must know on some level that he is reading the rather sober bunch of people in that audience their last rites. Nobody could hear that and look at the energy use data and not understand that nothing in going to stop. No political movement or consciousness is going to arise in time to bring about the Second World-Wide Spanish Anarchist Revolution which he more or less states plainly, but not in so many obvious words, that the world has got to wake TF up and throw out these ridiculous constructs – or it’s curtains.

    The experiment will be done. And it will fail, just like a final crap shoot at the tables in Vegas. The experiment is being done on you, on your kids. Like some bizarre Josef Mengele Human Centipede French Horror Martyrs. And no Bhagat Singh or new Emma Goldman is coming to save you.

    Guy Lombardo
    Enjoy Yourself, It’s Later Than You Think

  • Don’t ask whose funeral it is:

  • If we sit with the earth, with the trees and the soil and the wind and the mist, and pay attention, we may know what to do and how to begin doing it, whatever burden we carry with us as we walk.” –Paul Kingsnorth

    My inner Church Lady says: Well, isn’t that special? We “may” know what to do. So you still don’t know what to do yet? Exxon knows what it’s going to do, why don’t you?


  • @ Susan Leslie

    Thank you very much, I love it!


    Those, who just have the rather simple message of “doom, doom, doom”, of extinction and death, are of NO help at all. We all know that we will die one day since we were a child, it’s no secret, it’s no news at all. And we all know that life is filled with great suffering, everyone knows it, it’s really not hard to understand, that life is filled with suffering and soon Death will be on our doorstep- in fact, many people will die, before they ever heard of Extinction at all, hahaha. And even some of those who are here at NBL might die, before Extinction has arrived^^ And when Human Extinction is done, no human will ever notize it at all. Therefore, if Doctor Guy McPherson wouldn’t have any message beyond Death and Extinction, he would be of NO value at all. But he got two important messages, that go beyond the mundane message of death and extinction:

    That (only) Love will remain and to passionately pursue a life of excellence.

    Without those two messages of Doctor Guy McPherson, I wouldn’t be here at NBL.


    ” I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy — and when he talks about a nonscientific matter, he will sound as naive as anyone untrained in the matter.

    Of course if we make good things, it is not only to the credit of science; it is also to the credit of the moral choice which led us to good work. Scientific knowledge is an enabling power to do either good or bad — but it does not carry instructions on how to use it. Such power has evident value — even though the power may be negated by what one does with it.

    I learned a way of expressing this common human problem on a trip to Honolulu. In a Buddhist temple there, the man in charge explained a little bit about the Buddhist religion for tourists, and then ended his talk by telling them he had something to say to them that they would never forget — and I have never forgotten it. It was a proverb of the Buddhist religion:

    To every man is given the key to the gates of heaven; the same key opens the gates of hell.

    What then, is the value of the key to heaven? It is true that if we lack clear instructions that enable us to determine which is the gate to heaven and which the gate to hell, the key may be a dangerous object to use.

    But the key obviously has value: how can we enter heaven without it?”

    – Richard Feynman (Physicist and Nobel laureate)




  • Robin Datta,

    July 15th, 2015 at 4:21 pm you wrote “Can anyone prove to me on the basis of observation and reasoning, that they are not an automaton, a meat robot, totally bereft of sentience and awareness, acting solely in accordance with their programming? That would be the basis for validity of constructs on observation and reasoning.” This seems a good time to respond, once again, to your question:

    Why would I or anyone else wish to try to prove to you something that remains nothing more than a distracting irrelevancy? This Turing-based “meat robot” point, whether valid or not, in my opinion remains exactly that: entirely irrelevant. How so? How irrelevant? As feeling biological mammals, what EVER the fundamental cause(s) of our behaviors, we do think, feel, and behave as we think, feel and behave, and we do these things with many crucial psychological, emotional, social and other practical consequences for ourselves and others. Even if I exist as a “meat robot automaton”, as you repeatedly insist, I remain an organic, biological automaton produced and supported by Earth, along with an infinity of other organic, biological “automatons”, in my human case having an infinity of incredibly complex, reciprocally interactive thoughts, feelings, emotions, and behaviors. I think it quite safe to say that the same holds true for you and all other humans.

    With all due respect, you certainly may remain stuck within your highly intellectualized, human supremacist, irrelevant cage, largely or completely out of touch with your own and other’s biological, mammalian emotions, if you wish. I, in distinct contrast, strongly prefer deeply to acknowledge and accept my animal nature, complete with my wired-in emotions and social attachment needs for connecting organically and emotionally with others. In that fundamentally important sense, the “meat robot” model that you cling to and push so strongly and so frequently makes little or no sense in any practical way to me, and, unlike you, I see little use for it. Perhaps you will explain how this supposedly has some relevance for us in our day-to-day lives? To me with my focus on practical, biological human thinking, emotion, and behavior, it seems like little more than an irrelevant, time wasting distraction.

    Feed Jake and Mo Flo,

    Thanks for the links. Interesting stuff indeed. Now, please explain how small scale experiments done at near absolute zero temperature, far, far outside of the energy range of any actual living human experience and done at this extremely low temperature specifically to minimize the statistical effects of human scale existence that I referred to and emphasized earlier—experiments that serve to detect uncertainty principle effects on objects barely visible to the human eye—demonstrate the relevance of the uncertainty principle in our practical, day-to-day lives at human scale. (Meanwhile, as I earlier acknowledged, OF COURSE we can measure them and we take these quantum and relativity effects into account in our electronics, astronomy, and many other research and technology efforts. I don’t recall ever suggesting otherwise.) I fail to see the everyday relevance of experiments done at the fuzzy borderline between the subatomic scale and the classical Newtonian scale.

    I apologize for my density, but I do not get it. Do you seriously mean to suggest that as a result of these experiments I now need to feel concerned that by observing my cat, he may disappear? Or that my son or wife may disappear if I and/or others observe them? Or that the Cedar tree in my yard would not exist if I and other humans (and other animals) did not observe it? Or that I had better take relativity into account if I drive from Tacoma to Seattle, or if I fly from Seattle to New York, or if I fly all the way around Earth from NYC to NYC via the longest route? Or, more to the present point of discussion, that I should now trade in my monist, physicalist, empirical view of the universe for a dualist view, and I should now believe that a “non-physical consciousness”, “spirit” or “God” really does permeate the universe after all—and that these quantum effect demonstration experiments at the scale border supposedly prove the dual nature of the conscious/ spiritual/ godly nature of the universe? Or that I should now place my faith in allegedly infallible philosophical and/or religious authorities a thousand or more years old as such a large percentage of people in our society, including so many commenters here, do?

    Perhaps these and similar experiments serve as compelling evidence for you and many others of a supposed “non-physical consciousness”, “spirit”, or “God” characteristic of, within, or running the universe, but, sorry, I disagree. I remain as skeptical of these possibilities as ever. Certainly possible, but not very likely at all. I continue to believe that we live in one, monist, physical universe that works on consistent principles, which we can construct based on confirmable, empirical evidence and reasoning based on it, and that this does not include any supernatural magic, spirits, consciousness, or random, godly whim within its operating principles. But I do remain open to changing my mind about this based on significant compelling empirical evidence and reasoning about this, relevant to actual human living. To date I have seen little or no evidence of this alleged supernatural magic, and I continue to consider the documentary, “The Unbelievers”, an excellent, thought provoking movie definitely well worth seeing.

    All of this raises an interesting question for me, and possibly for some others as well: What motivates you (and so many others(!), most people by far) so strongly to hold on to your dualist beliefs despite the lack of any compelling need for them and the small amount of, and weakness of, empirical evidence that supports your dualist views?

  • Bud ~

    “your dualist beliefs”

    wrong.

    study up. you really don’t get it.

    this link is a bare beginning of a start.

    Monism

    Monism is the view that attributes oneness or singleness (Greek:μόνος) to a concept (e.g. existence). Substance monism is the philosophical view that a variety of existing things can be explained in terms of a single reality or substance.[1] Another definition states that all existing things go back to a source that is distinct from them (e.g. in Neoplatonism everything is derived from The One).[2] This is often termed priority monism, and is the view that only one thing is ontologically basic or prior to everything else.

    Another distinction is the difference between substance and existence monism, or stuff monism and thing monism.[3] Substance monism posits that only one kind of stuff (e.g. matter or mind) exists, although many things may be made out of this stuff. Existence monism posits that, strictly speaking, there exists only a single thing (e.g. the universe), which can only be artificially and arbitrarily divided into many things.

  • maybe zuckerburg will give me 53 million…makes me wish i had some debt to pay off…your money or your life b***ch.

  • Robin ~

    Those who think they are materialists or physicalists nevertheless indulge in the ultimate magical thinking by attributing consciousness or awareness to material or physical entities. One is reminded of the physicists asking to allow just one miracle – the Big Bang. Meat robots show the way to true physicalism and materialism, without the woo of their magical thinking.

    There is what is known as the pentad, “prapancha”, the five components (of worldly stuff): existence, consciousness, contentment, name and form. All the attributes of an individual person that make that person an individual are in the last two components. The name and form constitute the meat robot. The being is in the first three and has no identity with the meat robot. One has to direct one’s address through the name & form when trying to draw attention to the true nature of the other’s being.

    In the reflection in the bucket metaphor, your awareness is the reflected light: it is your”self”.

    ~~~

    Krishna’s Dream is not unconscious, or reflex, or random, or habit, or robotic, in any sense.

    he is the ultimate Lucid Dreamer.

    infinite Consciousness underlies everything within the dream. Krishna’s energy is entirely what all forms, and all beings, are made of.

    One thing, and One thing alone is Real.

    anyone thinking there is anything truly like meat robots here, anywhere except for the conceptualizations of philosophers, is in for a hell of a shock.

  • 22nd Feb 14.162 millionkm2, a refreeze of 2,000km2, and now 1.2 millionkm2 below ‘normal’.

    A refreeze or slow melt similar to 2015 is still possible. So is an ice-free Arctic by September.

    https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charctic-interactive-sea-ice-graph/

    Atmospheric carbon dioxide continues its erratic climb towards the seasonal peak with another high annual-difference value of 4.45ppm.

    22nd Feb 2016 405.35ppm
    22nd Feb 2015 400.90ppm

    We have known what needed to be done for 40 years. It wasn’t. Now it’s too late. The maniacs won.

  • “Why would I or anyone else wish to try to prove to you something that remains nothing more than a distracting irrelevancy?”

    A claim of irrelevancy is not a substitute for proof.

    “in my human case having an infinity of incredibly complex, reciprocally interactive thoughts, feelings, emotions, and behaviors. I think it quite safe to say that the same holds true for you and all other humans.”

    There is no proof that it is not an insentient automaton stating so. I can speak for myself but cannot experience the awarwess of any other.

    “I, in distinct contrast, strongly prefer deeply to acknowledge and accept my animal nature, complete with my wired-in emotions and social attachment needs for connecting organically and emotionally with others.”

    Absent proof, a statement attributable to an automaton. To surmise that consciousness arises from configurations of matter and energy, absent proof that consicousness exists in association with those configurations, does not make proof irrelevant, nor the demand for such proof a distraction.

    A world-view that acknowledges multiple entities is a dualist view. Diarmuid Galvin and mo flow can better describe the non-dualist view.

  • .

    @Bud

    “But I do remain open to changing my mind about this based on significant compelling empirical evidence and reasoning about this…”

    Actions speak louder than words Bud. You and I had a debate where I debunked your chosen spiritual leader ‘James Randi.’ In that debate I exposed him to be a fraud; an entertainer capitalizing on the lecture circuit and selling books to the choir he preaches to. Your reaction was to leave here for several months and slip back into such a deep state of denial that you would arrive back here and instruct me, the very person who already wiped the floor with you regarding that subject, to go investigate the skeptic/debunker community. That’s some pretty deep denial there Bud, and betrays this claim that you are open to exploring evidence that might upset your particular world view. So I flat out call bullshit on your statement quoted above. You seem thoroughly closed to changing your mind based on significant compelling empirical evidence and reasoning if you ask me.

    You can only tell some of the people some of the time, as that old saying goes. In other words, busted … you’re just another crank, one hardly even worth debating. You are just as closed minded as you accuse us of being. Yet, I can (and do) draw from the knowledge produced by science when and as I see fit. That would make you the rigid person closing their mind to an alternative point of reference, not me.

    “What motivates you (and so many others(!), most people by far) so strongly to hold on to your dualist beliefs despite the lack of any compelling need for them and the small amount of, and weakness of, empirical evidence that supports your dualist views?”

    What makes you hold onto your materialist beliefs despite the overwhelming and compelling evidence that the materialist worldview is exactly what’s led to our current predicament? (Evidence you seem to ignore due to your rather huge confirmation bias.)

    When people like me comment, all you can see is a someone who has “placed my faith in allegedly infallible philosophical and/or religious authorities a thousand or more years old as such a large percentage of people in our society, including so many commenters here, do” (your words there, not mine). The fact that this is all you can perceive when you read my comments, like some prejudiced bigot who ‘can’t tell them coloreds apart from one another’ (because he doesn’t WANT to tell them apart, or can’t look at them long enough to tell one from another) means that there isn’t even a proper context to begin a rational discussion about such things with you. Your steeped and have a prejudice. All you see is the worst of the Euro-trash religions based on authority and control and deference.

    I am not a southern US republican christian. I belong to no religion, nor do I believe in any of the religious authorities you try and accuse me of following, I AM NOT RELIGIOUS. The fact that all you can picture are ISIS members and republican climate deniers when people like mo flow or I start to speak is your shortcoming, not ours. It demonstrates your complete ignorance regarding the topic some people here are trying to address. You pipe in and keep the discussions at such a low level that they never even get a chance to evolve into the discussion we would like to have. We don’t want you to come give money to our church, we have no fucking church. We’re not trying to get you to join some phony co-opted religion of empire here Bud.. It’s that we think we have a solution and some answers to our current predicament, and you derail that discussion from ever even taking place, almost like you’re the thought police working for empire. Discussing such things with a person like you is pointless to me. You’re stuck in an old paradigm Bud, just accept it and move on. It’s not my job to educate you about what you can’t even perceive in the first place. It’s not my circus, and you’re not my monkey.

    And here’s a final thought for a thinker like you …

    “Aren’t you being a little judgmental? I mean as a materialist don’t you understand that no one has any real control of what they do or say? including you (and I)? So why all the fuss? Why can’t you just let us wallow in our own ignorance, without you being snarky? Ooops! of course you can’t help yourself … and neither can we. …” (anon)

    Of course that’s not my perception of it, but it would HAVE to be yours, based on your beliefs, or else you contradict yourself.

    Good day Bud. I will try to avoid your pompous and condescending pointlessness as best as I can around here. I see things opposite to you, I see it to be people like YOU who have brought on this crisis, not the other way around. And by the way, modern Christians ARE materialists, in case you couldn’t even look at them long enough to figure that out. But that’s not my fight. I’m not a Christian. I appeal to NO authorities, and that’s where we differ greatly. Unlike you, I think for myself and come to my own conclusions based on my own evidence and personal empirical observations. I’m sorry if you haven’t been tapped on the shoulder. It means you didn’t make it out Bud, sorry about that (well, not really, your a closed minded bigot.)

    Oh, and it would seem Dawkins has given up his ranting against all things spiritual and moved on to attacking feminists lately, which really doesn’t surprise me, the guy’s a major fuck up who’s just full of himself anyway, like an automaton. What an embarrassment he must be to the science community these days after his fans started issuing death threats to the poor feminist women he publicly attacked (and he attacked her about her looks, what a child he must be.) He’s as dangerous as ISIS, or so it would seem to me. Two sides of the same coin, and that’s what people like you can’t discern. I abandoned the coin altogether in my search to move forward into a new paradigm.

    Again, maybe we don’t want you along anyway Bud, in which case good riddance to you. Rant away.

  • jef, you’re damn right i “maneuvered myself into an advantageous situation”!!it’s called freedom!…though i did waste too much of my youth chasing dollars…my luxury, is to have no luxury. since i refuse to “pay” for luxury and the trappings of capitalism, i am rewarded with, “time”. time to think. time i don’t have to be a slave. time to create. the question is, is that enough for you? i live like a monk. are you going to follow your sleeping peers after the dollar? for empire? for nothing? for fear of a death that can not be avoided? hey e.p….that was a good question…”what do you do when you can do and be anything?” what’s sad, is that,”schizophrenic”
    was the best you could come up with. not much imagination i’m afraid. clearly you still are trapped inside the matrix. “give me liberty or give me death.” pretty easy choice really. you have to be a fearless radical to walk away from empire. that’s part of empires illusion…that you cant survive without it. don’t buy that! and i will leave you with this cliche…”what you own ends up owning you.” and simple physics will tell you that”stuff” ain’t nothing but gravity.

  • Don’t follow leaders.

    Boycott DisinvestmentSanction

    Patton didn’t fight the Nazis to end fascism. He fought to extend it. Ergo Prescott Bush et al (just doing business)… as the caissons keep rolling along.

    And if you liked that, then you’re going to love this.

    The black bear came by last night and got the bird feeders. Clever fellow and large too I might add. He managed to extract the suet from a stainless steel cage and untangle the No. 12 insulated romex wire to unlock it. He bent the 5/8 inch diameter solid iron vertical bird feeder posts easily since the soil is still frozen. He bent them in place to get to the food. I had to place the iron posts into a large vice to straighten them which required quite a bit of force. I’m not upset. I love bears.

    You know the goldfinch, the titmouse, the hairy and downy woodpeckers, the red bellied woodpeckers, pileated woodpeckers, the junco, the nuthatch, the blue jay, the mourning doves, the wild turkeys, the virginia cardinals, the bluebirds. Red tail hawks, goshawks and an occasional bald eagle. To name a few of the locals.
    I like having them around. They groom the trees and eat bugs the other three seasons of the year. When I was growing up in these parts I used to look forward to seeing the first robins in the spring arriving during their annual northward spring migration. Now the robins are here year-round and have been for several years. Winter has been mild in New England thus one reason why the black bears are emerging out of hibernation in February. Chipmunks are out now too scurrying along old, run down, stone walls that ramble through the woods that were built by slaves during Murka’s Colonial era. The hardwood deciduous forest has been taking a beating and the Fraxinus sp. (Ash) which make up around fifteen percent of the forest tree population are dead or dying from Emerald Ash Borer. An import from Asia. Ain’t globalization grand? Ash wood is used to make baseball bats amongst other durable wood products like furniture and cabinets. I once fabricated a solid slab of ash wood of sufficient thickness and made a rear bumper on a pick up truck I owned in the 80’s. Additionally Asian Long Horned Beetles (another Asian import) are set to wreak additional havoc on New England forests. Death by a thousand cuts reckon.

    Ya can’t get there from here.

  • @Nemesis “All religious/spiritual and cultural questioning goes beyond mundane materialistic thinking.”

    Not when the food runs out, it doesn’t.

  • For all of you here at NBL, to Guy especially:

    enjoy, my e-friends

  • When government officials, from the various alphabet soup agencies, retire en masse, it is not necessarily a noteworthy event. However, when the same officials retire en masse and then relocate to form their own survivalist enclaves, then this is something that we should all sit up and take notice of, especially when we are seeing the same behavior on the part of Wall Street executives.

    Only, it is a newsworthy event; no less than The Washington Post reported recently that several top positions at the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) are currently vacant, and morale is extremely poor.

    “The Department’s Web site shows 40 percent of positions on the DHS’s leadership list are filled by ‘acting’ officials or are vacant — including the top four slots,” the Post reported.

  • Nemisis,

    I really appreciated the Alan Watts clip. So simple and straightforward. Quite logical, to my mind.

    ———

    Fine rant, Ogardener. 🙂

    Nice hearing from you Mark A.