Two Wealthy, One Good

As usual, there is a plethora of recent information below the following essay. Please check it out, directly beneath the embedded song.


It’s been a year since my fund-raising campaign. Some readers probably remember Frank Friedrich Kling offering to match donations up to $2,500. The target was met within a few days, with my profound thanks. I’ve written to Mr. Kling a few times, and initially I expected him to pony up the promised $2,500. In yet another example that my idealism is often misguided, Mr. Kling has reneged. I no longer expect him to cough up the money, but I still write him every now and then. I like to afflict the comfortable.

Lest this short essay elicit unwanted response, I’m focusing on the principle. Or, rather, the lack of principles demonstrated by a couple of men. Financially, I’ll be fine, and I’m not using this essay to ask for money.

Mr. Kling was one of two memorable wealthy men I’ve encountered in my travels. The other, a cardiologist from Australia by the name of Dr. Geoffrey Chia, paid for my flight to San Francisco many months ago. We talked for an hour or two, and I returned to Tucson without even stepping outside the airport in San Francisco. Dr. Chia wanted me to oversee the development of his homestead on an Australian island. He figured my academic credentials would attract other academic friends of his. I declined, after considerable thought. I do not know the status of the homesteading project.

Dr. Chia used to write essays in this space. In one of them, he libeled Mr. Kling. I pointed out the error and asked for an apology from Dr. Chia, and he obliged. I don’t visit the Doomstead Diner, or many other websites, but apparently Dr. Chia is busily trashing my name in that space while blaming me for his libel. Apparently wealthy men are not to blame for their own words.

My point — and I do have one — is to illustrate the behavior of people who ought to know better. Genteel upbringing and the privileges attendant to monetary riches don’t guarantee an outcome fittingly called gentle, manly, or gentlemanly.

John B. McLemore was a friend of mine, although we never met. Perhaps Mr. Kling and Dr. Chia would’ve remained friends, had we not met.

John McLemore called me on the telephone every week or two. By his account, he was living in Little Shittown, Alabama. And although he was poor, he sent money in support of my work. He didn’t care for Mr. Kling, based strictly on the latter’s online persona. If he had an opinion about Dr. Chia, he didn’t reveal it to me.

Each time John sent money, he’d write a short note: “Make sure the old coot pays up.” John wanted my assurance that Mr. Kling would match his donation, as promised.

A few attentive readers might remember John’s essay, “Death of a Giant.” It was a fine and sad story about the death of one of the dogs John took into his care. John was caring for his ailing mother, along with a plethora of dogs. He knew about hospice. Based on my conversations with him, John was kind and compassionate. Small wonder he didn’t quite fit into this culture, as he mentioned repeatedly to me.

John’s essay was excellent. Indeed, a publisher asked me to contact him within minutes of its posting in this space. The publisher wanted to include the essay within a forthcoming collection. The next day, John asked me to remove his essay because he was upset by the ignorant and hateful comments so typical of this website. Like the rest of us, John was fragile.

I wondered why John hadn’t been responding to my email messages lately. He died last June at the age of 49 years.

With the death of John B. McLemore, the world lost a good man. I’d like to believe examples are useful, and the positive ones will be followed by others. But today I’m not at all sure such an assertion is supported by evidence.

Thanks to Marc Haneburght for creating the video embedded below, which is a short promo reel for my work. Thanks, too, to Roblyn Crawford for initiating a fund-raising campaign in support of speaking tours. It’s here. Please share widely.

I was interviewed 2 February 2016 by Gary Null of the Progressive Radio Network, along with Paul Beckwith. The show is described and embedded here.

On the topic of monetary wealth, David Suzuki mentions me without saying my name in an interview with Rolling Stone published 2 February 2016. The multimillionaire and five-time father is a fan of hope (i.e., wishful thinking).

Ivey Cone interviewed McPherson and Mike Sliwa for Episode 44 of Extinction Radio, which aired 22 January 2016. It’s embedded below.

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Comments 108

  • ” Talk is cheap son, a man is only as good as his word”. My father Brendan Hester.
    I remember when that offer was made and thinking every dollar is doubled. To renege on this offer is spineless and nefarious.
    A business would be compromised on it’s cash flow predictions by this dishonesty, I hope it hasn’t compromised you to much financially.

  • ah, man. this essay has got me so sad. 🙁

    Guy, thanks for carrying on.

    “I’d like to believe examples are useful, and the positive ones will be followed by others. But today I’m not at all sure such an assertion is supported by evidence.” both you and your guests have been inspiring to many, I am sure of that.

    I remembered John’s essay, very well. and the subsequent results. I’m really sorry to hear he has died so young.

  • In these times modern man lost it’s conscious, spiritual connection to Nature, to life and death, to the Kosmos, the “Uni- verse” (a poetic, a musical term). Modern man clings to materialistic, physical things, because he denies the none-physical things. He denies life after death for instance. Modern man cannot imagine what life after death could be like. Modern man sticks to the phenomenal world, but cannot realize and re-connect to the true source (wich transcends life and death) of it all.

    “Everything is just matter! Everything is materialistic physics, nothing else! So let’s live a material life and rob the Earth, tomorrow we will be dead!”

    That’s the modern, materialistic paradigm. How to explain the mystery of death to modern, materialistic man?


    Those who dream of a banquet may wake to lamentation and sorrow. Those who dream of lamentation and sorrow may wake to join a hunt. While they dream, they do not know that they dream. Some will even experience a dream within a dream; and only when they awake do they realize they dreamed of a dream. By and by comes the great awakening, and then we may find out that this life is really an extended dream. Fools think they are awake now, and flatter themselves they know if they are really princes or peasants. Confucius and you are both dreams; and I who say you are dreams- I am but a dream myself. This is a paradox. Tomorrow a wise man may come forward to explain it; but that tomorrow will not be until ten thousand generations have gone by.

    Once upon a time, I, Chuang Tzu, dreamt I was a butterfly, fluttering hither and thither, to all intents and purposes a butterfly. I was conscious only of following my fancies as a butterfly, and was unconscious of my individuality as a man. Suddenly I awaked, and there I lay, myself again. Now I do not know whether I was then a man dreaming I was a butterfly, or whether I am now a butterfly dreaming I am a man. Between a man and a butterfly there is necessarily a barrier. The transition is called metempsychosis.

    – Chuang Tzu

    @Doctor Guy Mcpherson

    When I click on the video you posted (“I’ll sleep when I’m dead”) I get the message “Not available”. Don’t know if this is just in my country. For an alternative link:

  • Good luck Guy,

    I am not allowed to post any comments on the Bill Moyers website if I say anything negative about Naomi Klein or renewable energy. I’ve tried multiple posts with varying degrees of softness, but to no avail.

    If you really want to know why the Rockefellers fund, then watch the video at the end of my blog. But first read the blog and learn what no one wants you to know.

  • Btw:

    I am not rich for shure, I never strived to be rich, hahaha, I got much better things to do for shure 🙂 But if I’d just know some easy way to send money overseas, I’d send some money to you, Doctor. When I click on the donate-button, there are several credit-card options, but I don’t own any credit-card because I don’t have any creditworthiness, I am a poor man (only financially 😉 ), hahaha. Is there any easy way to send money from Germany to you without any credit-card?

  • Thanks for the concern, Kevin Hester, and also for the generous offer, Nemesis. Financially, I’ll be fine. I’m trying to focus on the principle of the matter. Or, in this case, the lack of principles demonstrated by some.

  • Thanks Guy, for sharing this.

    I remember Kling and Chia very well and, even though this sounds easy in retrospect, I’m not at all surprised. When I first came to NBL, Kling struck me as somebody who was just a bit too proud of this SS German ancestor whose CY he linked to me. Very odd…I remember having a bit of an altercation with him about this at the time – I’ve forgotten the details – but I think I might have been making fun of him. He took that very hard.There were definitely two sides to his persona, so I made sure to keep out of his way. He was also extremely brittle.

    Chia just struck me as a control freak, a “benevolent” patriarch, somebody who has all the answers, all the time – you know what I mean.
    I think he wouldn’t know what introspection or humility means, not in a million years! No wonder he hangs out at the Dinner. He’s found his slot.

    I also remember John’s essay “Death of a Giant” and was very touched by it. Like mo flow I’m really sorry that he died so young.

    All my best thoughts are with you.

  • I lose track of time, especially for unimportant matters but I do remember the publicly-known incidents mentioned.

    Was it 3 years ago or 4 that Dr. Geoffrey Chia wrote to me inviting me to abandon my life here in Taranaki and join him in establishing a homestead in Tasmania? I declined, and suggested that Tasmania would be no more suitable than NZ as a place to ‘ride out the storm’, and could well be a lot worse for both geological and climate reasons.

    It is now clear there is no riding out the storm and everything will be made worse everywhere by the maniacs in control. The agenda seems to still be death-by-a-thousand-cuts. I continue to watch this space

    Another 4 weeks of ice formation and then the melt of 2016 will be underway. It may be a ‘game changer’. We’ll know in 7 months.

    ‘I don’t visit the Doomstead Diner, or many other websites, but apparently Dr. Chia is busily trashing my name in that space while blaming me for his libel.’

    Sorry to hear that. Also sorry to hear about the death of John at a young age. Many total arseholes just keep going.

    ‘Apparently wealthy men are not to blame for their own words.’

    New Zealand’s liar-in-chief had a bad day yesterday.

    But I’m sure he won’t be perturbed for long and will soon get back to sabotaging everyone’s future as quickly as possible.

  • On the lack of principles demonstrated by many who are rich, my husband frequently says this: if they weren’t like that, they wouldn’t be rich!

  • Lidia,

    That really sums it up. Precisely!

  • Guy: don’t dwell on it too long – people are flawed in all classes and types and you know this – so with a blog you’ll likely encounter many (heh, take ME for example . . .). i feel more in the passing of John, who i could connect with on an emotional level because he (like me) cared for dogs (and probably many other species) than the other two, who i had quickly forgotten. Had you not brought them up i wouldn’t have recalled either. YOU (and many of your commenters), on the other hand, i care about and wish i could help you out financially, since you changed my life for the better (because i’ve confronted the horror of our collective future through your blog and messages) and now live each moment like it matters, being kind and forgiving as much as i can in the process. Don’t get me wrong though – i’m still flawed and fly off the handle at oblivious drivers, inanimate objects when they don’t go along with the program, and other stupid behaviors i’m still in the process of correcting. Anger issues take a while to subside.

    South Florida mayors to U.S. Presidential candidate: ‘We call on you to acknowledge the reality and urgency of climate change’

    [oh? so why did you elect a Republican climate denier?]

  • It is official from Phil the archivist at Marquette U. Dorothy Day never wrote and no traces of her saying the the role of the Catholic Worker movement was to “afflict the comfortable and to comfort the afflicted”. wikipedia attributes it to a newspaperman, Finley Peter Dunne.

    Conflation does occur, not a sterile meiosis, not a sterile hybird hinny, just a usually harmless crossing of wires upstairs to a meme that sticks. After a rough day, and not focusing on Dorothy’s persona but integrating parts of Dorothy’s philosophy to ones own, the verb afflict resonates tastefully as the appropriate action to comfortable (affluent or not) snobs. But no, while Dorothy was quite prickly at times to some, and she did not mince words or facial expressions when pricking maudlin thought balloons – she did not afflict.

    “Now, now, mrogness, what about today.” a portion of my brain mildly intones. I comfort and teach the vulnerable, 40 hours a week, but I am weary of pricking and /or afflicting the too comfortable. Other than occasional 45 seconds of slightly elevated volume, strident firm words and very hairy arched eyebrows that’s usually it.

    I got a letter yesterday with a photo of MLK day in 89 from a lonely rural control facility that controlled 30 discrete mobile auschwitz ovens packed in 10 tubes. In the cold, some shivering crowd behind was 10 children watching me being led away. I realized I have not smiled like that in a long time. I moved phsically and mentally to being really focused on comforting the afflicted after those 100 tubes were removed from eastern North Dakota and not the converse side of the comfort/afflict coin.

    Details of changes in the numbers and placement of those mobile auschwitz ovens are in the upcoming revision of the book “Nuclear Heartland.”

    Life is a balance we never achieve. What is the proper ratio of comforting the afflicted and affilicting the comfortable. Blessed if I know, damned if I know?

    As Solzhenitsyn puts words into the protagionist Nerzhin in “The First Circle”, we drown in the puddle and not the ocean. Some days I just feel mired in the mud.

  • RIP Mr. John B. McLemore, a caring person.

  • Money is the odd “equalizer” — or dis-equalizer — in so much of life. Got it, bring it, and you can buy your way out of or into most situations as you wish. The sheer lack of it determines the lives of most people — especially most children — in the world today.

    The 2nd daughter, just about to turn 13, has just been enrolled in a “catchup” school in the next town. $7 US a month. (She fell behind in grade 2 while her mother was away working as waitress in another country.) Mother went to register her on Monday, but she was $3 short on the first tuition, so they’re doing it today. Ridiculous numbers, eh?

    Rents are one-sixth of US, but so are incomes. Food? Well, pretty close, but they buy simple ingredients, and just eat less, I guess, except when I’m around. We had a comparatively deluxe birthday dinner for grandmother and granddaughter yesterday.

    I bump up, or rub up, against that hopelessness of economic constriction every day with this family and just about all of those around them. The two sisters will take a contract for the sewing industry (baby clothing and bedding) they know very well, work for a week, and split about $120. When that production has sold, they may get another $120 or so. But not very often.

    Most places I have visited in recent years, the people I know earn about $2 an hour, if they are lucky enough to find a consistent job, and workdays as long as 12 hours, commuting time additional. Grandparents minding the children.

    Even the education which we might target for their children does not promise a lot more, maybe triple that at best. Very economical tuition rates, scholarships for the poor, but many still must drop out to support family.

    All the usual life crises hit, and hit those least able to afford them — divorce, abandonment, alcoholism and abuse (apparently none in this case). There are also successful branches of the family — cousins in university, a very bright 15-year-old cousin running her own clothing shop on weekends, managed by Mom weekdays. And through it all, the dedication and loyalty to family. We could aspire to such.

    And me, feeling the challenge to join, the imperative invoked in poetry and prose by Whitman and Melville — or to separate myself, a Gatsby on vacation able to wash my hands of the messy stuff in hotel comfort, while my own messiness awaits back home — and yes, that current AMERICAN propaganda that places us above others. We all have bitten off a bit of that cake of self-righteous superiority early in life, and have to shave it away with each such encounter with the “less fortunate”, who really are ourselves in another skin.

    Letting go of money as the measure of worth, of identity, of purpose in life. Being wise, yes, but de-programming yourself from that obsession. I’m watching it come over me, and partially go away, everyday — being my own Freud under self-analysis for my own obsessions and fetishes. Under culture and language shock, with little solid, comfortable ground under my feet, wondering when some huge error will confront me with failure.

    And yet here they are, needing every day, the basics which are easy for me to give. Where is the line, are the lines? that we have drawn, around ourselves and between ourselves? Not saints, not angels, none of us, imperfect as parents, but still, a child is a child (is a child) goes a useful cliché. You never know what you might be assisting in creating — a family, maybe even legacy, that goes on beyond this year’s budgetary concerns.

    Oh yeah, rent due today. We can probably stretch that out a couple more days, but still…

  • mrogness ~

    yes, dehumanizing the Russians was also a very big deal in this country during the Cold War, and continues in many places in the USA today. that kind of energy is what is required for humans to justify unleashing mass murder on a very large scale.

    similar dehumanizing energy is required for unleashing genocidal racism on a large scale, in various forms.

    the too comfortable and their “sticky memes” be damned, thanks. somehow these memes tend to be used over and over to afflict the afflicted. it’s worked so well in the past, why not just continue? here, there and everywhere.

    just let the weeds run wild, and call it a day. they look harmless enough, for now.

    no, I’ll feel free to uproot them, as I can.

    who knows just how much awareness is enough awareness, that could actually prevent the “auschwitz ovens” from being used again, anywhere? I sure don’t. all I know is that in my tiny corner of action, I’ll do what I feel I can, to contribute to moving things, if ever so slightly, in what I feel is the right direction.

    I do that because I love all life, and I don’t like intolerance, bigotry and hate, and absolutely don’t like one flicker of energy that wants to dehumanize, or “de-being-ize” any of my fellow creatures.

    how about healthy puddles are preferable to toxic ones?

    seems to me like the toxic ones can kill, even before we get the chance to drown in them.

  • I also remember John’s essay about his dogs and caring for them. I had so wanted to print it out to re-read, but alas, it was removed before I could do so. I am so sorry he passed away so young, a true friend. I would like to believe John is in heaven taking care of his dogs and other creatures.

  • bluebird2, me too.. I loved that dog story.. John was a great writer, may he rest in peace.

    Kling, with his alien-mutilation perseverance never seemed like he was playing with a full deck. Feh.

  • A moment to respect the passing of John B. Mc Lemore.

    A 3rd Ozone hole has opened over the UK:

    Nitric & Sulphuric acid droplets destroy the stratospheric ozone layer that protects us from harmful solar ultra-violet rays,” says Cowley. “They catalyse unreactive forms of man-made chlorine into active free radicals (for example ClO, chlorine monoxide). The radicals destroy many ozone molecules in a series of chain reactions..”

    This outbreak of PSCs is truly unusual. “Prior to this outbreak I have seen PSCs over the UK only twice in the last 20 years!” says Cowley. “This episode is exceptional at such low latitudes.

  • song for you all:

    Paul Basic – Nowhere Else

  • Dang. Forgot to post this (music diverted my attention) article, right up Guy’s alley.

    Looks like the Earth has emphysema with this report, the lungs of the planet being the Brazilian (decimated) rain-forest:

    Imperiled Amazon freshwater ecosystems urgently need basin-wide study, management – ‘The consequences are so overwhelming that they are hard to explain’


    The Amazon’s freshwater ecosystems are at risk because current policy and existing protected areas fail to protect the connectivity of the water cycle, scientists warn. The new study, published in Global Change Biology, examines the factors degrading the Amazon basin’s hydrological connectivity: the movement of water — and with it the life-giving matter, nutrients and organisms it carries — between the vast system’s headwaters and the Atlantic Ocean, between the rivers and the forest, and the earth and the atmosphere.

    Such connectivity is fundamental to ecosystem health, as it regulates how ecosystems function, the scientists say. The Amazon’s freshwater ecosystems, which cover an area of 1 million square kilometers (386,102 square miles), play crucial roles in regulating climate, transporting nutrients, maintaining water quality, supporting biodiversity, and providing food and fiber, so-called ecosystem services that benefit local, regional and global communities.

    If hydrological connectivity is disrupted then the ecosystem can no longer function in the same way and these services may be diminished. This is the danger facing the Amazon.

    . . .

    If basin-wide research and action is not taken, “the consequences are so overwhelming that they are hard to explain,” Castello said. In their paper, the authors outline the broad implications, saying that individual impacts have “the potential to trigger cascading effects that can significantly degrade these freshwater ecosystems. If current trends continue, more tributary basins will be degraded, compromising ecosystem services such as biodiversity maintenance, water quality, flow regulation, C [carbon] cycling, and food production.”
    [read the rest; the paper is linked]

    [they’ll be studying its demise; (our net human-centric world view – hat tip Cory Morningstar – guarantees this:) humanity is obviously not “managing” anything but their loss of habitat and near term extinction]

  • Interesting article – Naomi Klein – climate change – it’s not just about things getting hotter … It’s about things getting meaner. Amen and it has been for quite some time now. Just skimming it I notice that she seems to be seeing the ‘rabbit hole’ in all of ‘this’ more clearly now, talking about the need to change a culture based on separateness and dominion over nature. This is what has been driving droves to ayahuasca and ‘new age’ approaches. Rather stark departure from her talk of Capitalism and political machinations I was reading from her just earlier today. We shall all be humbled and if we live long enough forced to remember what we have taken in life was freely given, not the result of some superior maneuverings, and the failure will not be attributable to the ‘weak’ or the ‘unfit’, but to those who failed to appreciate the ‘gift’ of life.

  • Folks who pretend to *know* what the *world* needs may be mistaken.

    Prolly the last thing humans need is a worlds remade in Naomi’s image. How utterly new age,

  • I got this letter by email from the Climate Council today.

    The head of the CSIRO, Afraidian’s chief scientific research body has admitted there will be no more climate research done here!

    And we don’t even have a political leader as low GI as Donald Trump.

    “Dear —–[OzMan],

    Yesterday afternoon news broke of further job cuts to Australia’s premier scientific institution, the CSIRO. The area most affected? Climate science.

    “Climate will all be gone, basically” one senior scientist told Fairfax media.

    As a Climate Councillor I’ve had the privilege of working with CSIRO scientists for many years, and can say that this is a devastating blow. We are sad and angry that we are losing some of our best and brightest scientific minds, particularly from the Marine and Atmospheric Research divisions – the heart of CSIRO climate science. CSIRO has built an international reputation for world-class research through decades of hard work.

    These job losses are just the latest in a series of harmful cuts to science. Just over two years ago, the Climate Commission was abolished by the Australian Government, and thanks to your overwhelming support, we were able to create the Climate Council. However it’s impossible to replace such a large part of Australia’s climate research capability and 175 CSIRO staff.

    The loss of this scientific expertise deals a body-blow to Australia’s capacity to understand climate change. Our firefighters, our emergency services, and our community will be less prepared for climate risks including bushfires, heatwaves, and extreme weather. It’s that simple. Cuts like these make our work harder. Our reports and media work are based on the world-class science produced here in Australia, especially by experts like those losing their jobs at CSIRO.

    It is so important that the wider community understands the seriousness of these ongoing attacks on science – and we must put pressure on our leaders so that they know we strongly oppose these decisions. I’ve been doing many media interviews since the news broke yesterday, and will continue to speak strongly on behalf of the Climate Council community against these continuing attacks on science.

    Our aim when we launched the Climate Council: to ensure that climate science couldn’t be silenced by Government cuts. Together, we’ve done just that, creating a team of scientists and communicators who are reaching tens of millions of people a year. Our work helps farmers, firefighters, doctors and defence forces tackle climate impacts — and pushes forward the national discussion on climate solutions. Thanks for being part of it, and for helping us to keep going on days like this.

    Prof. Will Steffen – The Climate Council

    P.S. While we might not be able to stop these cuts, we can – and will – redouble our work. Because there has never been a more important time for it.” My Parenthesis at top.

    Here is the press article that announced this.

    “Climate science to be gutted as CSIRO swings jobs axe.”×349.gml7jy.png/1454669127497.jpg

    This unelected prime minister, Malcolm Turnbull, also said we need to use innovation and science to move forward…(please everyone, don’t vomit all at once.)

    Ah well, hopium smoked all around the planet I guess.

    Sorry to hear about John McLemore’s passing. I remember the essay on the dogs.

    I don’t know what he died from, (other than death), BUT THE RATE OF DEATH FROM CANCER IS STARTING TO HIT HOME TO THOSE IN THE MIDDLE OF EMPIRE NOW I’M THINKIN…David Bowie and Alan Rickman notwithstanding. With all the nuclear testing, toxic chemicals and rising background radiation dare I say it, but I’ve been expecting it to escalate much sooner.

    My brother came to a mortal end over 40 years ago from Lymphoblastic Leukemia. 18 months of hell for my mum and he passed in my bed. Some would say he was a casualty of the ‘cold war’. I don’t see it quite that way. That is what lapdog progressives like to call the downside of international politics and conflict. I rather think some specific individuals ordered the tests and decided to invest in those technologies, ultimately to make money. Only people exercising power had the capacity to make those decisions, and still do. There is a claim that they did it in the best interests of the nations and political/military alliances that prevailed at the time.

    Seems hopium was smoked a lot back then to, and now to understand the past.

    It really is like it is portrayed on the little and big screen, they don’t care about anyone else but themselves. The liberal middle classes who do the greater part of the institutional enablement are perhaps marginally responsible, in that they swallow-or smoke- their own product a bit too much.

    I would never set out to avenge my brothers death, as though it were a deliberate killing in a personal way. But so far no individual to my knowledge has stood up an said they were sorry for putting so many future lives at rich. The exception may be some of the crew of the Enola Gay, after the enormity of their actions and their consequences came to rest in their heart. But I have seen no politician, statesman, (nor woman), nor industrialist, of that era, come out an try to condemn the process.

    Therefore, I conclude they are still responsible, and their children reap the exorbitant benefits from those strategic investments and decisions.

    I was told recently by a man who worked in nuclear reactors that Uranium is the heaviest naturally occurring metal, or element on Earth, and that all the rest, like Neptunium, Plutonium, Americium, etc. are isotopes or Uranium.

    Is this true? If anyone in this space knows can you comment please? It sounded a bit off to me.

    Cheers 🙂

  • For the record, 2 years ago when the then newly elected Liberal Party prime minister Tony Abbott defunded the Climate Council, as one of his first administrative acts upon swearing in, I sent $25.

    It’s not like I expected it would be a game changer…

    ‘Queen & David Bowie – Under Pressure’

    “…the challenge of knowing what this world is about…”

    ‘Current stand (1985) – Kids in the kitchen’

    “…There is no place to hide this time…”

    Just Sayin… 😉

  • Bob S – thanks for providing a ready representation of the “meanness”, right on topic! It is apparent that you work hard at it, but you don’t succeed, rather you look fucktarded!

  • All one has to do, most of the time, is to ask Sergei Brin, Larry Page, Eric Schmidt et al. to get a promhpt answer, courtesy of Jimmy Wales, Larry Sanger et al.

  • There is lots and lots of lamentation about NTE, about human insignificance, insignificance of anything at all. But why then all these millions and billions of further words and discussions ?! The ultimate conclusion of Death, NTE and despair is ACCEPTANCE, not piling up words and doomsday news. Just ask those, who died already, take a walk to the graveyard and ask the dead:

    Those who went extinct already, those who walked the dark and mysterious way of Death already, they don’t lament about despair, they don’t complain, they don’t argue. Look, how peaceful and quite it is on the graveyard 🙂 Why not cultivate this freedom in Life already?

    If Death is the ultimate end of everything, then despair and suffering will shurely end with Death as well. Fine. If Death is not the ultimate ende, well, then we will have to deal with it, damned 🙂

    Does anything in nature despair except man? An animal with a foot caught in a trap does not seem to despair. It is too busy trying to survive. It is all closed in, to a kind of still, intense waiting. Is this a key? Keep busy with survival. Imitate the trees. Learn to lose in order to recover, and remember that nothing stays the same for long, not even pain, psychic pain. Sit it out. Let it all pass. Let it go.

    ― May Sarton, Journal of a Solitude

    I have had to experience so much stupidity, so many vices, so much error, so much nausea, disillusionment and sorrow, just in order to become a child again and begin anew. I had to experience despair, I had to sink to the greatest mental depths, to thoughts of suicide, in order to experience grace.

    ― Hermann Hesse, Siddhartha

  • ‘I was told recently by a man who worked in nuclear reactors that Uranium is the heaviest naturally occurring metal, or element on Earth, and that all the rest, like Neptunium, Plutonium, Americium, etc. are isotopes or Uranium.

    Is this true? If anyone in this space knows can you comment please? It sounded a bit off to me.’

    Uranium is the heaviest naturally occurring element. Transuranic elements are manufactured by bombarding atoms with other atoms or nuclear particles…..and sometimes they fuse. But the resulting new elements are all highly unstable and many have extraordinarily short half lives.

    ‘Element 117 discovered?

    On 1 May 2014 a paper published in Phys. Rev. Lett by J. Khuyagbaatar and others states the superheavy element with atomic number Z = 117 (ununseptium) was produced as an evaporation residue in the 48Ca and 249Bk fusion reaction at the gas-filled recoil separator TASCA at GSI Darmstadt, Germany. The radioactive decay of evaporation residues and their α-decay products was studied using a detection setup that allows measurement of decays of single atomic nuclei with very short half-lives . Two decay chains comprising seven α-decays and a spontaneous fission each were identified and assigned to the isotope 294Uus (element 117) and its decay products.’

    Some isotopes of elements below 92 are stable and some are unstable, depending on the ratio of neutrons to protons. So we live in a radioactive world. However, bodies can usually repair damage sufficiently fast for this not to be a problem. Problems arise when the rate of damage exceeds the capacity of an organism to repair damage, and it dies, quickly or slowly, depending on the amount of damage.

    During the Chernobyl emergency soldiers were conscripted to shovel radioactive material. They were supposedly permitted 40 seconds of exposure. Many got sick and died.

  • @Everyone

    Would like to apologies to everyone the other say when i have gotten in a heated discussion with some folks here and broke the rule of the 2 post/day rule .. for that reason i didn`t post for a few days to make up for this i hope that will make it all right .. Anyway These extinction radio viesel`s interviewed Dimitrij Orlov and asked Him about NTHE right here .. In spite they are calling themselves “extinction radio ” They have been backing out declaring themselves now “Agnostics” so they have lost all credibility with me . But Orlov Had a few very good very level headed idea about NTHE one can use in the understanding why it is an almost unpalatable subject .. So congratulations to mr Orlov for that and my utter disgust and disrespect toward the Extinction radio Hosts

  • @Everyone

    Now, tell me your real, final conclusion about NTE, all you dear, beloved doomers:

    Why worry about human extinction? Any reason to lament about human extinction? Animals don’t lament about Death, about extinction, only human animals lament about it. But if it is true, what materialistic science says, that everything ends with Death, then WHY worry ?! If materialistic science is telling the truth, then we will all being redeemed with Death very, very soon, no more suffering, no more despair, no more lamentation then. So, after all, according to modern, materialistic science, Death is some very nice thing, something to be happy about^^… well, if modern, materialistic science is right… 🙂 If materialistic science should be wrong, uhm, damned, then despair might even be worse and last longer than we thought, muhaaaahahaha 😎

  • @ Nemesis

  • Kevin Moore You post a lot of good stuff, and closer to the original data. Always wanted to say that.

    Uranium is the heaviest naturally occuring element “On Earth”, except for the smallest scant amounts of Neptunium and Plutonium, so small that they were not noticed until technology from the Manhattan Project was applied to urainium. Planet-centric, those two would probably also be found in stars. imho. But if one wants to concentrate on the “important” things in life, the transitory elements with higher numbers of protons could be considered as ephemeral.

    Definitions are definitions, and it is the number of protons that defines an element. And much of chemistry is determined by the “S”, “P” “D” and “F” orbitals of the electrons. So, either your nuclear worker was talking in a dumbing down manner to you or is deluded in a mild or not mild manner. Isotopes (which all have the exact same basic chemistry) are subsets of the elements. Isotopes are dependent on neutron numbers, and as the ratio of neutron climbs above the base of 1 neutron to 1 proton, the stability degrades and radioactive decay occurs more often.

    The simplest example of isotopes is hydrogen(1) with one proton and one neutron, The more rare deuterium is hydrogen with 2 neutrons and the third is radioactive tritium is hydrogen with 3 neutrons. The definition of the element hydogen is an atom with one proton. Helium with two protons will never be considered an isotope of hydrogen.

    While an anlaogy of calling the elements with the number of protons higher than 92 as daughters or children of Uranium may have some value in a “nuclear fission – neutron, beta, alpha bombardment centric world-view”, it is just an analogy. For in a different philosophocentric view helium, lithium, carbon, etc. can be viewed as children of hydrogen from a solar or nuclear fusion frame of reference. Yes, we are all stardust.

    For seeing the much of the fundamental basics of chemistry, a good periodic table is helpful. Periodic tables were present before elctron orbitals or even protons were even dreamed of. One example

    * * *

    For my philosophy on radiations effect on life, human and otherwise, I tend towards Alice Stewart, Rosalie Bertell, Dr. Asaf Durakovich and the sine qua non over Chernobyl – Chernobyl: Consequences of the Catastrophe for People and the Environment

    I was entranced reading Alexey V. Yablokov’s Chernobly Consequences once while on holiday at Nukewatch. I got a free .pdf later when the PNAS NY folded like cowards to the nuclear industry and yanked publishing of it. But then they had to offer it as a free .pdf. But now, I cannot not find it anywhere. I still have my copy in several places.

    For easier reading but well written, I recommend “The Code Killers bye Ace Hoffman in pdf.

    And against hormesis

  • The Extraterrestrials are coming! The Extraterrestrials are coming!

  • We have seen daily CO2 annual-difference results range quite wildly (as must happen for various reasons) but today’s update shows another remarkable result:

    405.66ppm, 5.65ppm above the same date (4th February) last year.

    This is a new record for both concentration at this time of year and annual difference, I believe.

    Also, the reduced ice formation in the Arctic is leading to an ever-wider divergence from the norm and from same-date-in-2012 graphs.

    On the local front, further ‘disappointment’ for the dairy sector.

    ‘ANZ slashes its Fonterra milk price forecast to $3.95; warns farmers will have to wait until 2017/18 for their cash flows to get out of the red’

    2016 continues to look like the year ‘everything changes’. (That is everything except governance by maniacs, of course.)

  • Guy along with a few others, such as derrick jensen,sadly represent the the so very few non-narcissistic among us. What is so difficult for the beautiful people is to wrap their mind around the small, selfish world of the other ninety percent.

  • Ogardener – thanks for the laugh, but you know they just may be! ? they just may be! These *booms* being heard around the world as well as those strange sounds in the sky like trumpets, metal scraping or (to me) a wet finger going round a wine glass (only a damned big one and up in the sky) just might be the aliens attempting to ‘break us in’ to their existence before the big reveal. Sure, I know it sounds utterly insane, but if you look into this “stuff” it doesn’t seem all that improbable. The military always comes out (although often late) with a cover story, but that’s what they do – cover it up. Imagine how people would flip their lids if they actually came? Damned scary! I just to be at least somewhat prepared for most anything, personally.

  • I have analyzed all recent data with my Bat-computer and there is absolutely nothing to worry about, because quantum mechanics has proved that the universe isn’t real. Only the Platonic realm is real. Nothing we can observe is real, thus death isn’t real. To the Bat-poles, Robin! Komm, heiliger Geist!

  • “Americans can’t handle the truth.” In 1988, when questioned about the matter, he commented that he was “very careful in public when dealing with classified information.”

    The question is always asked, “why can’t we handle the truth?”

    BECAUSE WE ALWAYS TURN THE TRUTH INTO CONSPIRACY & DIS-BELIEF. So many lies we would never understand actual truth. Especially on levels so far beyond normal human physical reality. Everyone is born into a constant dis-info story in commercial “reality”

  • “They must be dreaming. If any sort of unknown presence is acknowledged in any way at any official level, it will be no more than a few days before the media is demanding answers about the abduction phenomenon. Millions of people who have had the experience will be intensely energized to find out what has happened to them and their families. For, after all, it isn’t only adults who are involved, it’s children, too.

    I think that the hidden truth is that the abduction phenomenon is just as commonplace as it seems, that at official levels it is not well understood, and that nothing whatsoever can be done about it. I also think that the thesis of Super Natural is correct, that we are embedded in a much larger reality that we are just beginning to awaken to. It isn’t that the visitors have just come here, but rather that we have just begun to notice what is actually a very ancient presence in our world and our lives. How that presence relates to reality I cannot certainly say, but I do know that it is not as we now believe, and not as we have been taught in the past.

    Many things have blocked our progress in the past. Among them is official fear of admitting that the situation is going to be very disturbing to the public and that it cannot be controlled. Another is the intellectual arrogance of scientists and educated people, who cannot face the fact that an intelligence greater than theirs might be present here in some way, but hiding itself from them. A third block is that there is abundant evidence that, when the truth becomes known, it is going to overturn so much of our understanding of the world that it will literally overwhelm us with a flood tide of the new.

    What is most likely to come to the forefront, and very quickly, is the issue of the soul. The idea of the soul has been more-or-less completely rejected by western science and the western intellectual community. We are assumed to be automata with no relevance outside of physical reality.

    That is, quite simply, not my experience. Not at all. On the contrary, judging from the thirty years I have now spent living with and thinking about the visitors, I can say with conviction that the soul is of absolutely central importance–that, in fact, the physical world is embedded in a much larger, more ancient nonphysical reality that is far more alive–indeed, more conscious–than we physical beings are or can be. And it is this reality and the issues, requirements and needs associated with it, that are the primary driving force behind the actions of the presence that we have discovered among us.”

    Read the original source:

  • My last transmission from John B McLemore in March, 2015 was quite correct, and humorous, when I asked him what he thought about Guy coming to Atlanta, Ga. (which never really got to first base)

    On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 1:14 PM, Hiruit Nguyse wrote:

    “It would be a great idea if there are enough people down here with education enough to understand what he is saying…..they would have to brush their tooth and pack Jeebus away for a few hours….”


    So. he died in Apri,l a few days later???????

  • I have just asked the local hardware store about an alien arrival preparation kit,but they are out of stock. I am starting to sweat heavily. I just wish I wasn’t luminous. Makes it damn hard to hide.

  • There is no soul. A soul would mean another soul and yet another, etc. One may say than the soul of the wave is the ocean, but even there, some difference is acknowledged. In the Vedic tradition, no such difference is valid.

  • Don’t really have anything to add besides kudos to Guy for the “Two Girls, One Cup” reference in the title of this essay. Classic! If that wasn’t your intention, my most humble apologies. But it gave me a good laugh either way : )

  • The updated Keeling Curve now shows 405.83ppm, which is the highest value ever recorded. And it’s only early February.

  • The book which really alerted me to climate change back in 1991 was David Suzuki with Anita Gordon’s “It’s a matter of survival”. I’ve been following this increasing crisis ever since. A good review of the book is here:

    I first read this book about twelve years ago and still recommend it to those yearning to learn more about the basis for global warming-climate change.

    Researcher and author David Suzuki with Anita Gordon, believe we are well on our way to a dismal, overheated planet and will reach the first critical marker by the year 2040. This is the first ‘Year of No Seasons’ (I happen to believe we will reach this stage a lot sooner, perhaps by 2020.) Bear in mind Suzuki based his projections on 1991 data and the hope we’d be able to keep the warming increment to less than 2C by 2100. According to data compiled from the National Climate Data Center, IPCC, the Hadley UK Center and other sources, all bets are off for achieving this based on their recent reports.

    Suzuki and Gordon waste no time slapping the complacent reader from the first words of Chapter One: Beyond Your Worst Nightmare:

    “A.D. 2040- If we were to give this year a name it would be Despair. This is the hopeless world we have left our children and grand children. Where once our lives were measured and enriched by the cycle of the seasons, there is now only searing heat and the certainty it will get hotter. Seasons exist only in the nostalgic longing of those of us old enough to remember the richness of life……

    Daily, experts try to play God, desperate to determine what each new ecosystem will be, before it too is lost. This is the nightmare world of 2040 on this sad excuse for the planet we once called home.”

    On p. 8 of the same chapter, Suzuki and Gordon go on to link the total disappearance of the seasons worldwide to global mean temperatures 5 C (9F) above what they were in 1991. Given that Carl Sagan once forecast an increment of 6C as adequate to trigger the runaway Greenhouse, Suzuki’s numbers would put us right on the cusp. Once that begins, and the methane is also released from melting permafrost and later CO2 is released from all the carbonate rocks in the world, we are for the high jump.

    “Venus II” will be our certain destination and topographic maps such as that shown will be about what any passing aliens find, perhaps by 2200. No oceans – they would have long since evaporated, and no biological life of any kind, except perhaps some undersea anemones near the poles. And no sign of the species that once dominated all facets but was unable to temper its own greed and selfishness.

    Of course, the world will become unbearable long before that. The full horrors incepted, of which the loss of seasons is merely the most distinguishing, will include lack of sufficient water, lack of food – because of the inhospitable conditions to grow crops, and other hostile factors (catastrophic storms with hundreds of F5 tornadoes a year, monster hurricanes, rising sea levels inundating 30% of coastal lands in the U.S. alone).

    And thus, what Suzuki and Gordon’s ‘Year of no Seasons’ is telling us, is that the first step toward planetary equilibrium of temperatures is under way, and ultimate biospheric death. It will take some more time, maybe a century and a half, but eventually all surface temperatures will arrive at the same high value, perhaps 200-220F or more. And this won’t even be the end of it, since more accessible states will still be available before everything comes to an entropic standstill.

    A dead planet, a once glorious world but now moribund. Wrecked by a greedy species that cared more about its artificial investment indexes, net worth and stock portfolios ( as well as easy or cheap energy for the mechanical devices that caused the problem in the first place) than the planet it once called home. Perhaps this is the fate we deserve.

    In the text btw, Herman Daly is also referenced, cited and an earlier reviewer claimed he “never heard of him”. This is incredible, and perhaps shows the extent to which the corporate media controls the national narrative on climate change. For those who don’t know, former University of Maryland Economics Professor Hermann Daly addressed the issue of misplaced priorities via GDP in a lecture he delivered, in April, 1999. This was at Trinity College in Ireland, where his topic was “Uneconomic Growth: in theory and in fact”.

    Focusing on the U.S., he laid out the work of Nordhaus and Tobin which seemed to suggest that as long ago as the late 1960’s the welfare costs of growth had exceeded the marginal benefit. He also proposed that the use GDP as a measure of welfare was not efficient and so suggested the use of the Index of Sustainable Economic Welfare (ISEW).

    Daly criticized the fact that when it comes to “counting all the beans in the United States the only cookbook that matters is the Gross Domestic Product or GDP”. If the Gross Domestic Product is going up, people say the economy is growing. And if the GDP is falling, they say we’re in a recession.

    The GDP is supposed to measure the total production and consumption of goods and services in the United States. But the numbers that make up the Gross Domestic Product by and large only capture the monetary transactions we can put a dollar value on. Almost everything else is left out. And that’s why some economists have a problem with this influential accounting system.

    Ignoring these “externalities” leads us into a fool’s paradise where we come to believe things are much better than the GDP numbers show.

    For example:

    We see the “unemployment rate” declining, but forget that this may well be due to more unemployed dropped from the BLS stats after 6 months.

    We look at utility bills, but don’t recognize that unlisted in them is the damage to our water, forests, air etc. Those externalities again. How much of a cost to put on forests (which absorb CO2), or clean air? Who knows, but some guestimate is needed.

    We look at nursing homes and the number there, and those paid to care for them. But we blithely ignore the more than 33 million people that are cared for by their own families, without remuneration!

    We behold productivity increasing but don’t realize that has nada to do with work, or labor – but rather corporations reducing their costs (increasing “efficiency”) by moving jobs to cheaper places offshore, like Bangalore.

    We focus on tax cuts at the “growth end” but forget that there has never been any proof that tax cuts cause job growth. And even if they did, the degenerate effects are ignored – e.g. continued collapse of the infrastructure because no tax dollars are going to maintain it.

    When all our water mains have burst, along with the sewer lines, and bridges -roads collapse, will the public works effort finally get onto the GDP radar? Doubtful!

    All of these factors can skew the GDP to artificially higher values, once ignored.

    Daly noted that the concept of the GDP was developed to help steer the US economy out of the Great Depression, and through World War Two. It was for another time and place, and is no longer relevant to this time and place. It needs to be dunned and ditched in favor of the Index of Sustainable Economic Welfare.

    To summarize, GDP is an inadequate barometer because of a number of fundamental problems: we don’t measure unpaid work or services that may benefit society, we treat expenses as income, and we often fail to value natural resources.

    It is also a measure with which we need to be aware of, since it is inextricably linked to global warming!

    I do hope more people will read Suzuki and Gordon’s book and also in the process, find out more concerning Herman Daly!

    The message of the book was we had to totally 100% change our ways into Planetry Harmony by 2000 or we are finished. We haven’t and now the climate change news is coming thick and fast, we have lost our once beautiful World.

  • Jay…year of no seasons may not be here yet, but it is damn close. Rainfall here in summer and an El Nino year, when I was “prepping for dry,dry, dry! Dec-153mls,Jan-201mls!
    I have half the farm covered in hay turning into compost if the forecast is anything to go by,as the drizzle comes down.
    It is fair to say, this is in part due to poor decisions by the contractor, but illustrates how difficult any planning is in a situation of climate chaos.
    Thankfully I still have a couple of paddocks to have a second attempt,but who knows how it will play out anymore.
    Thankfully this is playing out in the best place on earth, in the company of the best damn dog on earth and I can afford to buy a bottle of scotch every week!
    Tom you did well to get any comment on R.S. I tried a couple of times to get him to state what would be his “crossing the Rubicon” event as regards admitting we’re “dog tucker”; they never appeared of course.
    Good to see new names appearing in the comments, as some of us have less and less to say on any aspect of this strange existence we are engaged in.

  • jay,
    Thanks for your comment. Herman Daly has been mentioned here quite a few
    times now,and I think most here understand his work,but still well worth mentioning. There was a time when I thought that Daly and other ecological economists had the answer to our predicament. When one understands the complete insanity (no hyperbole) of mainstream economics,the ecological economists are certainly more grounded in reality.
    The main point ,I think, is that there are major flaws of industrial civilisation that are not addressed by them,and which cannot be resolved by changing to a steady state economic system,while retaining industrial civilisation. A steady state system of some sort is prerequisite for long
    term human existence on Earth,but retaining industrial civilisation would still result in the eventual collapse of the system ,even if CO2
    was an atmospherically benign substance.
    A few flaws which are not changed by changing the economic system:
    1.Dependence on an agricultural system which has a rate of soil erosion
    far greater than the rate of soil formation.( 26 billion tonnes per
    year of soil erosion, 2.5 b.t.p.y. of soil formation) The very basis of our existence is gradually becoming deposits on the sea floor.
    2.Reliance on an fossil fuels for energy and as feedstock for the Haber-Bosch process,which supplies the ‘fixed’ nitrogen for industrial agriculture. Once fossil fuels are gone,the agricultural system collapses. Informed analyses of industrial agriculture show that when
    production,processing and transporting are included,about ten energy units(supplied by fossil fuels) are consumed for each energy unit of food produced. In effect,industrial agriculture is a system for converting oil into food.
    3.The existence of cities convert nutrient systems from cyclic systems into linear systems. In a natural system,nutrients consumed by animals
    are returned as wastes and dead bodies back to the system,to again be used by plants for their growth.Industrial agricultural systems source nutrients (phosphorus,potassium,etc) from mines ,transport them to the field,then to cities ( the nutrients are within the food removed from
    field) ( Please forgive me if some or all of this obvious to you,I don’t know anything about you) Those nutrients are then consumed in the cities,then flushed to sea, where they largely are lost to deposits on the sea floor. The mines which supply those nutrients are finite. Duncan Brown,who discusses this at length in his book’Feed or Feedback’,quips
    that cities and industrial agriculture are the main reason our civilisation will inevitably ‘go down the tube’

    I have some work to do. I might come back to this later. Anyway,I hope
    you understand my point. There are flaws in our system that are not solved by changing the economic system.

  • Those who are diving in the river of Egypt (deep in de Nile) will find it much easier to delete comments about Reality than to delete Reality itself… unicorns preferred over Rubicons.

    Did someone say “Herman Daly”?
    Ecological Economics-Principles and Applications

    Pardon this comment if it is the third comment for the day, or kindly delete the preceding one.

  • mod note to Robin ~

    I didn’t delete any comment of yours, nor are there comments of yours pending or in the trash. the only other comment of yours from today that I am aware of was your 5:04pm, above.

    if you lost one somehow, feel free to post again.

    oh, I see it’s possible you are referring to R.S. and his policies of deletion! 🙂

  • “Those nutrients are then consumed in the cities,then flushed to sea, where they largely are lost to deposits on the sea floor.”

    Interesting subject, about which I’m feeling my way here. Some opinions:

    – Cities can be seen in a new way, as places where dense populations congregate, and not necessarily parasitic of the surrounding environment (which they are today).

    – Although this dense congregation came about through control and manipulation of people and land, it doesn’t necessitate continuation of this practice.

    – Although cities now within industrial society depend on external resources of all kinds, food in particular, I’m not yet convinced they can’t in theory find or produce those resources internally–as would involve, for instance, growing food, harvesting water and planting trees.

    – Cities can be (imaginatively) viewed as having nothing to do with continuing industrial society, and only as different kinds of spaces, receiving sunlight and water like anywhere else.

    – It isn’t entirely clear that central governments in cities couldn’t be greatly modified to coincide with radically decentralized self-managing pods that conceptually (if not physically) compartmentalize even very large cities.

    – While the economic system of industrial society promotes endless growth of everything, including the physical growth of cities, a decentralized yet mindful and conscientious governmental system could contain the physical spread of cities.

    – All waste can be recycled in cities.

    – Cities can be seen as the inheritance of industrial society that it is convenient and conserving to use and modify now and through post-collapse. Otherwise you would have to pillage open land while wasting the vast sums of embodied energy that went into building cities.

    – Using the embodied energy in the already-existing built urban infrastructure is not the same as believing that these environments are inherently good, or need to spread and be replicated anywhere else.

  • Artleads,
    Unfortunately,an energy analysis of your suggestions would show that it doesn’t stack up. The energy from the sun falling on the area of a city that was suitable for growing food could only support a tiny percentage of the population of that city when photosynthesised by plants. Of course,we have other options such as
    ‘vertical farms’ within cities,but don’t forget that they are reliant
    on fossil fuels or nuclear power to supply the requisite artificial lighting that supplies the
    energy to the plants within them.

  • 44 south: Scribbler will come to the only viable conclusion (that we here on NBL have already come to terms with) after he’s boxed in by the reality of the situation, such incidents as this:

    Radiation Alert: L.A. Gas Well Spewing LETHAL LEVELS Of Breathable Nuclear Material: “Fukushima Class Disaster”


    In a breaking development that has been completely ignored by mainstream news sources, the leaking natural gas well near Los Angeles, California is now reportedly spewing lethal levels of radioactive material, according to a report from Steve Quayle and a group with expertise in nuclear material.

    A leaking natural gas well outside Los Angeles is spewing so much naturally-occurring Uranium and Radon, that “breathable” radiation levels have hit “lethal levels” according to a Nuclear Expert group.

    Hal Turner of Super Station 95 reports that the well is releasing 1.91 Curies (Ci) of radiation per hour.

    This rogue well is spewing huge amounts of natural gas and about 1.91 curies an hour of natural radioactive material in the natural gas… 1.91 curies an hour is about 45.9 curies per day… It’s a really, really big leak.

    A curie is a unit of measure in the U.S. to describe very large radioactive releases.

    The French utilize a unit of measure called a Becquerel to measure radiation levels. A single Becquerel measures the activity of a quantity of radioactive material in which one nucleus decays per second.

    To put things into perspective, Turner explains that a single Curie is equivalent to about 37 Billion Becquerels (Bq) of radiation:

    A Becquerel is a much more human sized unit of measure… it’s one radioactive burst of energy per second… One Curie is 37 billion Becquerels per second.

    That’s 1.7 trillion Becquerels per day coming out of that natural gas well.

    This is a real Fukushima class disaster and it’s happening right here in the USA.

    In 80 days of fumes at a pace of 1,115 tons per day coming out of that ground… could carry with it 301.2 terra-Becquerels of natural radioactivity… This converts to a resperable… a breathable emanation of 12 million Sieverts (Sv)… 2.4 million times the lethal dose by inhalation.

    Full audio report via Hal Turner (begins at approximately 49:00 minutes)

    In short, the leak is massive and researchers at UC Davis have indicated that they have never encountered as much methane in the air as they have over suburban Los Angeles in recent months.

    While resident complaints of feeling ill, vomiting and nausea have been chalked off by officials as the result of breathing in the natural gas, it is quite possible and increasingly likely that what they are experiencing is actually radiation poisoning. [more, links]

  • @mrogness

    You mentioned a pdf file you lost, is it this?

    Good stuff thanks for the hint.

  • “Unfortunately,an energy analysis of your suggestions would show that it doesn’t stack up. ”

    Whose analysis? An analysis is only as good as the analyzer.

    “The energy from the sun falling on the area of a city that was suitable for growing food could only support a tiny percentage of the population of that city when photosynthesised by plants. ”

    It depends. Cuba is illustrative. A large transportation infrastructure was created when (or before) they had Russian oil. But post 1989, they have had to severely reduce their use of oil. There are now many empty roads. From her recent Cuba visit, Gail Tverberg posted a photo of a now-unused road that a farmer took over to dry his rice. He used miles of roadway to do this. Post collapse, there will be plenty of empty roads in the former industrial world as well, and those can serve to grow food.

    If vertical farms locate on south sides of buildings, what particular need for fossil fuels to grow them?

    All I’m saying is, we’ve made a fantastic mess in industrial cities. As a species, we should consider cleaning up our mess and making the best of what’s there…and not go making messes anywhere else.

  • @Robin Datta

    There is no soul. A soul would mean another soul and yet another, etc. One may say than the soul of the wave is the ocean, but even there, some difference is acknowledged. In the Vedic tradition, no such difference is valid.

    Dear Robin Datta, once again you contradict yourself. On January 5th you directed me to a pdf file called atmabodha.pdf. Here is the link to that comment of yours:

    The Iron Cage

    Here is the link to that pdf-file:

    I read that pdf file some weeks ago, because I am always willing to learn 🙂 There in that pdf-file, you refered to, is written:

    This is for thinkers who are really interested to acquire wisdom and attain liberation for the soul (Atma) from the birth cycle…

    The embodied soul. Jivatma, rendered dirty by ignorance is purified by knowledge through long and uninterrupted meditation on Brahma, and then itself disappears as the powder of Kataka nut (cleaning nut) precipitates itself after precipitating impurities suspended in muddy water…

    When one clearly realises the soul to be distinct from the Kosas, he becomes detached from them. This detachment is followed by knowledge of the self…

    The oneness of the individual soul (Jeevatma) and the Supreme Soul (Paramatma) as indicated by the Vedic aphorisms (Mahavakyas) has to be realised by a process of negation of the conditionings (upadhis) through the help of spiritual statemtns, “It is not this”, “It is not this”. (Neti Neti)…

    The following meditation (slokas 32 to 36) is suggested in order to strengthen the knowledge of the soul’s oneness with Brahma

    @Doctor Guy McPherson

    As I said the other day, Phil Morrison will not apologize for spreading Nazi-lies. He seems to be gone, will maybe come back with a different name and the same agenda, who knows.
    There are people out there who consider LIES as a suitable tool to spread their sick propaganda, like the Nazis or the oily industry or the climate deniers or just plain criminals. Yeah, we know that this behaviour is exactly the main cause of the mess the planet is in, hahaha- they can blame it on the moon or on human general nature or on bad luck or whatever, but they will never ever escape their very own Karma for shure. Whoever spreads lies will drown in lies and bad confusion sooner or later. No matter how they turn around and around, their butts will always stay aft, hahaha. The TRUTH can never be defeated.

    mod edit: Nemesis, I fixed the two errors here you noted in further comments, and deleted those two comments. cheers, mo.

  • kt256 in re Yablokob

    You rock. I still have it on a computer (or 2 and backed up) however it has just played hop scotch from server to server for downloading. I originally got it from PNationalAcademyofScience which published the book. NukeWatch ordered a bunch, and when they went to reorder, none available due to the nuclear death industry being a rabid bull. So PNAS agreed to serve it up free as pdf. And then not.

    You are really good at search engines.

    And another link to a recent posting of an editor (Janette D. Sherman) of Yablokov’s book and Joseph Mangano.

    Chris Busby is also good.

    I did make one significant error above about the “singularity of hydrogen. It’s molecular weight (m.w.) is one, the normal hydrogen has no neutron; the isotope deuterium m.w. is two, one proton, one neutron and the radioactive isotope tritium has a m.w. of three with two neutrons.

    But hey, it’s not a text book here, 30 years ago I left lab, 35 year class reunion this year, and maybe just the beginning of early onset Alzheimers for me. Let’s just be nice to each other.

  • Robin ~

    just from my POV…

    soul does not equal awareness.

    soul equals awareness of identity. only. a conscious sense of “I exist.”

    this awareness of identity, like awareness itself, is not dependent on a physical body. a physical body only (temporarily) limits the conscious sense of identity to one “form.” a form as real as the space inside of a clay pot. (to borrow a metaphor)

    the conscious awareness of identity was not given by the clay pot. only a temporary and limited sense was given, to one specific form.

    what Strieber and the visitors frequently refer to as a major issue for humans is “soul blindness.” this simply refers to the mistaken fixation that our sense of identity comes from the clay pot. the “much larger reality” that we are embedded within here is actually what maintains our (still ultimately temporary and illusory) sense of much larger identity, until we are completely reunited ~ re-identified ~ with the One itself, which of course is the singular Source of all awareness, and the only thing that is Real.

    even though it is well-known “over there” that the greater sense of “I exist” provided by this much larger reality is also illusory, that particular level of illusion is so much closer to ultimate Reality, that such beings as the visitors, and many others, consider it of vital importance that humans become fully aware of it ~ if we can take it!

  • Saw this video (or similar) in a bar last night; those around me, no idea what it signified. Generation gap? Nationalities differing? An era bygone?

    But these images mean everything to me, as much as they could for a young man who did not pick up the rifle, and discover too late, the crimes in which he was participating.

    For me, it was “walking away from Empire,” at age 19. I’ve never gone back, but only camped around its edges.

    I mailed the draft board the ashes of my burned card, and they must have forgotten to, or decided not to pull a student out of an elite college for a 5-year federal prison term.

    My continuing salute to the heroism of the Vietnamese people, under such an insane persecution, only for trying to be free. America lost its soul — and revealed the PTSD-inculcated madness of that otherwise heroic WWII “greatest” generation — in those years, as they committed the bombing and poisoning of another heroic generation far away.

    There has never been “recovery” in the USA from this self-debasement — only a wallowing around in consumer materialism and successful propagandizing.

    May we now, perhaps only as isolated individuals, aspire to be a fraction as brave as these two groups were when challenged by crisis.

    Yes, the future is here, and can be painted, only in Black.

  • @Nemesis
    Exoterically Hinduism and Buddhism seem to be very different (atman vs. anatman). However, the masters of each discipline seem to be describing very similar experiences or states of consciouness. Although I consider myself a Buddhist, I am not going to pass judgement. There are many paths up the mountain, and the Buddha himself said to be skeptical and judge the truth for yourself. Best wishes to yourself and everyone at NBL.

  • “On January 5th you directed me to a pdf file called atmabodha.pdf”

    I direct nobody. If I offer links, that is to clarify.

    The saying “That thou art” is not “That you were” or “That thou will be”. Jivatman is Paramatman, whether this is realised or not. There was no soul, there will be no soul, and there is no soul.

    The Diamond Sutra – A New Translation by Alex Johnson, Chapter 14:

    if they continue to hold onto arbitrary conceptions as to their own selfhood, they will be holding onto something that is non-existent. It is the same with all arbitrary conceptions of other selves, living beings, or a universal self. These are all expressions of non-existent things.

  • @Robin Datta

    I direct nobody. If I offer links, that is to clarify.

    The saying “That thou art” is not “That you were” or “That thou will be”. Jivatman is Paramatman, whether this is realised or not. There was no soul, there will be no soul, and there is no soul.

    Dear Robin Datta, the comment of yours was a reply to a comment of mine, here is your comment:

    “There is an ongoing debate among the different Buddhist schools”


    The Iron Cage

    Via “ATMA BODHA – SRI ADI SANKARACHARYA” you refered to the pdf-file I mentioned (you may call it “refered to” or “linked to” or “directed to” or whatever you prefer. You may know whatever you know and you may believe whatever you believe. You may even say “I don’t know, I don’t believe, what I say is absolute truth”, if you like, what terms you use is your turn.

    You may say “there was no soul, there is no soul, there will be no soul” as many times as you like, because I never said there is a soul nor did i ever say that there is no soul 🙂 I just notized another self-contradiction of yours. You know, I don’t cling to “soul” and I don’t cling to “no-soul” 🙂

    Best wishes,

  • Henry (original?),

    my brother-in-law was a navy pilot in the vietnam era. he is very conservative and republican. one of the nicest individuals i have ever met, like a real brother, but i can’t get past his views, which he never discusses. don’t think he feels any remorse at all, after all, you don’t witness the horror, i don’t guess. how can one miss it???

  • Oh, look – we’re SAVED by bio-engineering [well, no]:

    Documentary ‘Synthetic Forests’ Covers the Enormous Risks of GE Trees


    If the biotech industry has its way, 184 million acres of native forests around the world will be bulldozed down and replaced with plantations of genetically engineered (GE) trees.

    On these proposed GE tree plantations, there are essentially no other plants, insects, birds, or wildlife — just rows upon rows of cloned Frankentrees growing at accelerated rates on a crust of dead, lifeless soil above dwindling groundwater reserves.

    Trees are being genetically engineered with unnatural characteristics, such as the ability to kill insects, tolerate colder temperatures, resist toxic chemicals, and grow faster — but these “advantages” come at an unacceptable price.

    “Synthetic Forests” is a documentary exposing the truth about GE trees. In this short but hard-hitting film, leading scientists discuss the devastating and irreversible impacts of allowing GE trees into our global ecosystem. [more]

    [~1/2 hr video and more text]

  • 5th Feb 2015: CO2 405.60ppm, up 5.87ppm on the same-date 2015 level.

    Although there are natural fluctuations in atmospheric CO2 and single-day comparisons can be misleading, the dire trends are undeniable (or unmentionable if you are a proponent of mainstream culture).

    The period March 2016 to June 2016 is going to be extraordinarily interesting for those who pay attention to atmospheric CO2 and Arctic sea ice cover.

  • @ Henry (back to “original”) Good for you !

  • This one is for you Mo Flow!


    By Led Zeppelin

    Oh, let the sun beat down upon my face
    And stars fill my dream
    I’m a traveler of both time and space
    To be where I have been
    To sit with elders of the gentle race
    This world has seldom seen
    They talk of days for which they sit and wait
    All will be revealed

    Talk in song from tongues of lilting grace
    Sounds caress my ear
    And not a word I heard could I relate
    The story was quite clear

    Oh, baby, I been blind
    Oh, yeah, mama, there ain’t no denyin’
    Oh, ooh yes, I been blind
    Mama, mama, ain’t no denyin’, no denyin’

    All I see turns to brown
    As the sun burns the ground
    And my eyes fill with sand
    As I scan this wasted land
    Try to find, try to find the way I feel

    Oh, pilot of the storm who leaves no trace
    Like sorts inside a dream
    Leave the path that led me to that place
    Yellow desert stream
    Like Shangri-la beneath the summer moon
    I will return again
    As the dust that floats finds you
    We’re moving through Kashmir

    Oh, father of the four winds fill my sails
    Cross the sea of years
    With no provision but an open face
    Along the straits of fear
    Oh, when I want, when I’m on my way, yeah
    And my feet wear my fickle way to stay

    Ooh, yeah yeah, oh, yeah yeah,
    But I’m down oh, yeah yeah, oh, yeah
    Yeah, but I’m down, so down
    Ooh, my baby, oh, my baby
    Let me take you there
    Come on, oh let me take you there
    Let me take you there

  • **Bob S – thanks for providing a ready representation of the “meanness”, right on topic! It is apparent that you work hard at it, but you don’t succeed, rather you look fucktarded!**

    Ugots – Without bitter old men there could be no sweet old ladies. So you should be thanking me for holding down the shitty side of the coin instead of busting my chops.

  • “Charging the United States with serious violations of Black people’s human rights, a UN panel of experts endorsed Black community control of the police and reparations for descendants of slaves. Washington is under no obligation to comply, but “even a corporate-ruled, imperialist superpower, born in slavery and genocide, can be embarrassed when its crimes are revealed on the world stage.”
    Glen Ford 2-2-2016

  • At the Brink of Night

    My room and this distance,
    awake upon the darkening land,
    are one. I am a string
    stretched across deep
    surging resonance.

    Things are violin bodies
    full of murmuring darkness,
    where women’s weeping dreams,
    where the rancor of whole generations
    stirs in its sleep . . .
    I should release
    my silver vibrations: then
    everything below me will live,
    and whatever strays into things
    will seek the light
    that falls without end from my dancing tone
    into the old abysses
    around which heaven swells
    through narrow

    – R. M. Rilke

  • Methane Is Leaking All Over The Place

    … Methane is the primary component of natural gas, and it can leak almost anywhere in the natural gas supply chain. Studies show that it is leaking at almost every point in the supply chain — at drilling sites, along pipelines, at compression stations, at storage facilities like Aliso Canyon and along the networks of piping that deliver natural gas to homes. About the only thing unusual about the Aliso Canyon leak is its size.

    Now if we could only figure out how much methane is leaking worldwide.

    The gas leak problem is hard to quantify, because there’s no unified system to find and measure these leaks. A study published in the journal Science in 2014 found that official inventories routinely underestimate methane emissions from leakages. And recent studies that have taken measurements also suggest that the problem is widespread.

    The city of Boston alone had at least 1,868 documented unrepaired leaks in its gas lines as of March 2015, and the oldest has been leaking since 1985.4 As large as that number may sound, it underrepresents the problem because it includes only known leaks that have been reported to gas companies…

    Uhm, the fossil industry really needs to HURRY and dance VERY fast to darn all those existing and soon upcoming leaks, it’s just the beginning, with continual soil erosion this leaking problem will shurely get worse and worse…

    Is there a better picture to describe REAL HELL? I can’t find one 😎

  • I became very interested in the chemistry of CO2 about 50 years ago, when I learned that CO2 in rain slowly dissolved limestone rocks but drips from the ceilings of caves could form stalactites and stalagmites over periods of thousands of years as water evaporated and caused deposition of calcium carbonate.

    Around that time the matter of dissolving the surfaces of buildings and killing trees by sulphurous and sulphuric acids derived from SO2 became an urgent issue.

    Whereas it is feasible to scrub SO2 from exhaust gases of power stations and blast furnaces etc. (at the expense of increased CO2 emissions) it is not feasible to remove CO2 from the exhaust gases of power stations or internal combustion engines.

    Back then atmospheric CO2 was around 320ppm

    One swallow does not make a summer. Nor do two or three. Nevertheless, there is a potentially very disturbing trend in the making, with yet another extraordinarily high atmospheric CO2 reading.


    And the comparable week value is up 4.45ppm.

    We will know for sure in a month or so whether something utterly extraordinary (within the context of extraordinary conditions of industrial civilisation) is underway.

    We will either see a set of atmospheric CO2 results around 404ppm -implying an accelerating meltdown- or more results around 406ppm (or higher) implying a super-accelerating meltdown.

  • whoops, Up 4.35ppm

  • Mercury in Rain Increasing in North America, Study Says

    A new report published in the journal Science of the Total Environment found mercury concentrations are “rising in rainfall and other forms of precipitation in North America,” primarily being detected in the central and western United States.

    Peter Weiss-Penzias, lead researcher and environmental toxicologist at UC Santa Cruz, worked with a team of scientists to analyze wet deposition samples from multiple locations throughout the United States and was astonished to find that in spite of strengthened federal regulation of mercury in recent years, “increases at many sites.”

    “We didn’t know what we were going to see,” Weiss-Penzias told “We did basic trend tests and looked at the data, and we were surprised not to see more decreases.”

    Weiss-Penzias couldn’t say for certain whether the mercury pollution was coming from Asia, but noted that increases were likely not due to U.S. activities.

    “It could be changes in atmospheric chemistry due to climate change,” he said. “Long-range transport of pollutants from Asia would affect regions in the Rocky Mountains and central U.S. since the mountains intercept upper atmosphere air, which is where the pollutants tend to travel.” [more]

    [because it wasn’t bad enough just washing out the radiation that’s circling the globe]

  • ugots ~ thanks!!

    an all time favorite of mine. 🙂

  • David Suzuki’s comments in Rolling Stone: “You know, there’s a scientist from the States who says we’re all gonna be dead by 2030, and I was just devastated by it, I was helpless for a week. But I pulled out of that, because these climate deniers cherry-pick their data – a little fact here and a little note there – and I realised that this guy has done the same thing and created a story which he then sells. So I still operate on hope. I believe that if we pull back and give nature a chance, she’ll be much more generous than we deserve. That’s the basis of my hope. It’s not just a blind Pollyanna hope: I don’t think we know enough to say that it’s too late.”

    This makes me think of Michael Ruppert’s comments in 2011: “Say my fucking name.”

  • All this fucking blah blah blah buddist, blah blah blah hindu blah blah blah,vedic . Focusing on mindless fucking crap while we all continue to murder the earth!!!!! Insanity indeed!!!

  • I Am!

    I am—yet what I am none cares or knows;
    My friends forsake me like a memory lost:
    I am the self-consumer of my woes—
    They rise and vanish in oblivious host,
    Like shadows in love’s frenzied stifled throes
    And yet I am, and live—like vapours tossed

    Into the nothingness of scorn and noise,
    Into the living sea of waking dreams,
    Where there is neither sense of life or joys,
    But the vast shipwreck of my life’s esteems;
    Even the dearest that I loved the best
    Are strange—nay, rather, stranger than the rest.

    I long for scenes where man hath never trod
    A place where woman never smiled or wept
    There to abide with my Creator, God,
    And sleep as I in childhood sweetly slept,
    Untroubling and untroubled where I lie
    The grass below—above the vaulted sky.


  • John Clare, the poet of the environmental crisis – 200 years ago

  • Caroline, Apneaman & Nemesis
    for John Clare & Rilke …. sigh, thanks for wafting a gentle breeze down this beach of sombre echoes – that world is falling away fast.

    Two more paragraphs from another poet – Stephen Jenkinson

    “The time of our dying is the time for being able to recognize, maybe for the first time, that what was once supposed to be our self-directed life turned into something else. All the things that were bigger than us, and our great wrestling match with them, became our lives. We never did control that. If anything, when circumstance and some feeling of security allowed or when desperateness demanded, we tried to keep up with this thing called our life, and on very good days we tried to live as if this were true, as if our lives were life making room for itself in the world. The news of our dying can be the time when we finally shuck off that blinding illusion that we were supposed to be driving the bus of our lives because we thought we knew how the thing worked. Before then our lives give us plenty of practice at being good at not being in control. That is a skill worth learning, and worth teaching our kids.” (152)

    “Wisdom of this order comes from learning grief and from practicing grief. We have lived as needy people for many decades. Our hearts are comfort-seeking missiles, a child’s claim upon the world. The language of rights comes from there. Needy or not, the time is upon us to learn the wisdom of being needed people. To do so we will have to learn the eloquence and the human scaled genius of grief, … Grief is articulate on this matter: Living doesn’t always require the ability to live, or the willingness to, and dying isn’t the collapse of that ability or that willingness. “(170)

    “The aim is to balance the terror of being alive with the wonder of being alive.”
    Don Juan Matus

    Dead Can Dance: Opium

    I feel like I want to live
    Far from the metropolis
    Just walk through that door
    I feel like I want to fly
    Reach out to the painted sky
    A prisoner to the wind
    A bird on the wing

  • Which part of every news story on the environment for the past 15 years has been worse than the one before it qualifies as cherry picking?

    Which part of no end in sight to increases in CO2 and methane are cherry picking?

    Which other part of boojwa sciency guys with a nice gig and published books and gandkids and all the trappings of success while living the good life in North Amerikkka sure ain’t got no plans to join, organize or create a social and political revolution of the scale and magnitude called for by the above circumstances qualifies as cherry pickin?

    Where’s the good news brother Dave?
    Maybe he read my tweet.
    As the Grumpy Cat says: “Good”

  • A guest essay, and much more, can be found in the latest post. It’s all here.

  • How might it feel to overcome all pain, all suffering? How might it feel, to go beyond life and death?

    I don’t vote for self-burning, but one thing for shure:

    You can’t sit quietly without any movement, while burning down like a candle, without letting go, without overcoming all attachments, all life, all death. How many people are able to burn like this without the bat of an eyelid?

  • Aren’t we all just like whining little children compared to that burning monk?

  • Greater in battle
    than the man who would conquer
    a thousand-thousand men,
    is he who would conquer
    just one —
    Better to conquer yourself
    than others.
    When you’ve trained yourself,
    living in constant self-control,
    neither a deva nor gandhabba,
    nor a Mara banded with Brahmas,
    could turn that triumph
    back into defeat.

    ― Gautama Buddha

  • Here in Europe the ignorant herd is concentrating all hatred onto refugees, but they don’t see Mother Nature comin, hahaha 🙂 Yeah, to concentrate all hatred onto the weakest is the strategy of the blind herd. Shurely they will realize their very own weakness VERY quickly 😎

  • @Steve

    And still the world continues to die no matter how many happy thoughts buddhist conjure up. Question: Could a clerical worker at auschwitz become an enlightened being while indirectly participating in such an absolute horror as the genocide? I will be waiting for an answer from all you foolish philosophers and pontificators.

    Only Love, compassion, true wisdom, a life of excellence can overcome greed, hatred and ignorance. Oh, and you shurely don’t have to be a Buddhist to do so. But Buddhists, for instance, are experts in reducing greed, hatred, ignorance and the destruction of Mother Earth.

    Do you have any better answer? What do you do to stop greed, hatred, ignorance?

    What do you do to stop the destruction of Mother Earth and live a life of excellence and compassion?

  • @Bud Nye

    Next to our belief in our own, self-centered, personal experience and thinking, probably next in popularity we have the many hundreds of old age and new age religious, spiritual, and “non-physical consciousness” authorities such as Buddha, Christ, Mohammed, and so on, and on, and on, and on, all allegedly infallible. Then, of course, we have the many living authorities in the form of various religious, political, and business leaders.
    People commonly put their faith in and bet their lives on these thousands of past and present day authorities, all based entirely on personal experience, and untested—-often untestable—-a priori conjecture and speculation. If we prefer to use Occam’s razor and not invoke dualist magic of the godly, spiritual, and/or nonphysical consciousness kind, how can we explain so much irrational human behavior? Biological evolution through sexual selection wired our brains to work in these irrational ways along with but contrary to the natural selection evolutionary pressures. Thus we find ourselves ensnared in our self-annihilation trap.

    Ah, but this explanation fails simplistically to provide the immediate gratification relief from anxiety that our religious, spiritual, and “non-physical consciousness” thinking do, nor the satisfaction that we so often derive from our self-centered, self-righteous anger at and scapegoating of those who express views that differ from ours. “The right way simply means my way. The universe works the way I say it does. Don’t you see? And this has absolutely nothing to do with any confirmable evidence outside of my head.” Or so many people, probably most and highly educated or not, strongly wish to believe…

    Yeah, BIG rant, I love it. Well, now tell me your prescription to save the world, to save Mother Nature, please, if you have any… What do you believe in or what do you know and what do you do, to reduce unnecessary suffering on this planet Earth and persuit a life of excellence? Isn’t it much easier to complain about darkness than to kindle a Light? Be MORE wise than Buddha, than Jesus, than all those spiritual teachers you mentioned and kindle the ultimate Enlightenment beyond all those spiritual teachers, kindle the ultimate LIGHT right here and now, if you can…

  • … if you don’t know better, if you can’t do better than Buddha, Jesus and all those spiritual teachers, than your BIG rant was nothing but a load of warm air, a kids balloon, a waste of time.

  • “O worthy vessel, Sadaprarudita, consider carefully.

    Tathagatas, who disappear into pure presence, cannot be described as coming from anywhere nor as going anywhere. Pure presence, called suchness, does not emigrate, migrate, transmigrate or emanate, and the Tathagatas are simply suchness – utterly wonderful and unimaginable. Universal ontological transparency, although functioning harmoniously, never generates any independent self-existence. It does not come from anywhere nor go anywhere. The Tathagatas are simply this universal transparency, this depth of unthinkability. The coming or going of limitlessness is obviously not possible, and the Tathagatas are the limitlessness of Prajnaparamita. The absence of self-existence, which can be likened to open space, never takes birth or rebirth, and the Tathagatas are simply the absence of self-existence, simply the radiant open space of total awakeness.” (219)

    “Buddha mind is the one mind of all beings — fully awakened, fully matured, fully sensitized, fully liberated. Buddha mind does not support or ground any phenomena, and since it is infinite, no possible standard or rule exists by which it could be measured. Nor can its creative power of transparent manifestation be exhausted, any more than truth could ever be used up.” (118)

    “The diamond being who stands courageously in Perfect Wisdom does not identify with any idea, statement or doctrine from common experience or from any philosophical or religious framework, beginning with the conventional assumption, “the world consists of material forms”, all the way to the exalted teaching, “the world consists of Buddha nature.”” (52) (Hixon: Mother of the Buddhas)

    “You have everything needed for the extravagant journey that is your life.”
    Don Juan Matus

    “…that blessed mood,
In which the burthen of the mystery, 

    In which the heavy and the weary weight 

    Of all this unintelligible world, 

    Is lightened:–that serene and blessed mood, 

    In which the affections gently lead us on,– 

    Until, the breath of this corporeal frame
And even the motion of our human blood 

    Almost suspended, we are laid asleep 

    In body, and become a living soul:

    While with an eye made quiet by the power 

    Of harmony, and the deep power of joy, 

    We see into the life of things.”

    William Wordsworth – Tintern Abbey

  • @Lidia

    G. Gordon Liddy would regularly hold his hand over a candle until the flesh burnt. He said, “The trick is in not minding,” or something to that effect.

    I don’t think G. Gordon Liddy is in touch with some magical spiritual quality out there in the universe…

    Wow, then burning like that buddhist monk must be dead easy, hahaha. And surely G. Gordon Liddy got the same spiritual qualities of Love and Compassion like a buddhist monk:

    Hahaha, you surely got your reasons to compare that sweet Mr. FBI Liddy with burning buddhist monks. You know, you have to live with your very own mind, just like I have to live with my very own mind. That’s fine, very fine, extremely fine, I really like that 😉

    There is no fire like passion, there is no shark like hatred, there is no snare like folly, there is no torrent like greed.

    ― Gautama Buddha

    … doesn’t sound like “magical” quality… uhm, maybe to some, ok 🙂

  • Since I am here on NBL for a while now, I come to the following conclusion:

    It is easy to ignore the Truth, but it is hard to escape Reality 🙂

  • Shep, Etyere — Denial in all its forms. The camp guards at Auschwitz thought they were doing an important job, protecting the “Fatherland”. The makers of Zyklon B, similar. (I never met my grandfather, a chemist who worked on developing poison gases during WWI, and his health was weakened toward an early death.)

    Once they accepted the logic of the Cold War, of “killing commies”, and accepted the paranoid pointing to 3rd world nationalism as commies, then you were just “doing your job”. Tunnel vision.

    Besides, it was a “career”, being that Navy pilot. Advancement. A future. Paychecks going home to your wife and kids. Few men and women are strong enough on their own to not need that kind of social reinforcement. (Again, probably the biggest “shock to the system” in Guy’s portfolio, leaving a well-paying career. Most people are still chawing away on that one. The ultimate American religion, careerism, which also muzzles the scientists.)

  • The camp guards at Auschwitz thought they were doing an important job, protecting the “Fatherland”. The makers of Zyklon B, similar.

    Yeah, exactly. And the Nazis similar, they thought they do a good job as well. And who thought that maybe the Nazi job were not that good went right into a concentration camp. The vast majority of the germans thought the Nazi job is a good job for the next 1000 years- exactly from 1933 – 1945, then they learned it better. Millions of german and american soldiers and millions of Jews payed the price of Death for nothing, because people thought, the Nazis were doing a good job. Oh, and there is another price to pay:

    1945 Germany lost her state sovereignty, Germany got a big brother since then, Germany is now under the “special protection” of the US 🙂

  • Correction:

    Millions of german and american soldiers…

    Should be:

    Millions of german and foreign soldiers (including many american soldiers)…