Encinitas, Interrupted

As indicated with yesterday’s interrupted video, here is the second of two parts, including Q&A. The video embedded below was shot, edited, and uploaded by Dwain Deets, with my thanks. It is based on the final portion of a presentation and subsequent discussion in Encinitas, California on 17 May 2016.

 

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  • @Doctor Guy McPherson

    In your video, 1. part, you say, that we should shut down civilization. Hahaha. Sounds “crazy” in some sense. How do you want do shut down civilization? I mean, there is no button anywhere, to shut it down. You say, agriculture is the basis of civilization. If humans shut down agriculture, billions of people would starve to death within weeks. And those, who are able to hunt, would hunt down any wild animal soon. The whole wildlife would be devasted by starving human beings. Imagine billions of people without agriculture, hungry, just like any other animal, they would hunt down anything they could, just like any other animal would do.

    I think, regarded to agriculture, the real problem is CENTRALIZID, INDUSTRIAL agriculture, that always strives for exploitation, monetary profit and not to feed people. So:

    No one will ever shut down civilization willingly and it’s not possible, to “shut down civilizaiton”. You are the proove: You say “we must shut down civ”, but you use cars, trains, planes, computers, microphones, video cameras to spread that message. Man, that’s not the way to shut down civ for sure. So, instead of awaiting something impossible, why not concentrate on smaller steps? Let’s try to shut down centralized, profit-maximizing-oriented, centralized agriculture and build de- centralized, de- profitized, de- maximized agriculture? Sure, it would not solve all problems on the planet. But it would be a reasonable, achievable start. To say “Shut down civ” would be suicide for everyone and I really don’t think, that Nature would benefit from it. Just look at places, where people are already starving: They go into the wilderness, burning down trees, cutting down trees, hunting animals ect. Without civ, think about nuclear meltdown too. Nature would never benefit from a global nuclear meltdown.

    The real problem is not even population, the real problem is sick profit-maximizing, the real problem is the Empire system. And if those in power don’t learn that fast, civiliziation will just collapse anyway, so then there will be no need to shut down civ anymore at all. But still, Nature wouldn’t benefit from it. After all:

    We are Nature too, Nature is us.

    It makes no sense, to commit suicide just because of being afraid of Death 😎


  • I give you a number about profit-maximized Empire agriculture:

    ONE THIRD OF ALL AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTS IN EUROPE GO FROM THE FIELD RIGHT TO THE GARBAGE DUMP, JUST BECAUSE SOME SUCKERS ALWAYS WANT TO MAKE FUCKIN MORE, MORE, MORE PROFIT.

    THAT shit is the real problem. And I could give you MILLIONS of more examples about that greedy Empire shit.

  • I would say that nemesis is completely unaware of “asymmetric warfare”.

  • Where else to write this, but at NBL. As Guy has said many times, “Mistakes have been made.”
    Yesterday, I probably made another one. A friend here in Bellingham, had purchased a ticket for me to go with her to the latest Josh Fox film called “How to Let Go of The World and Love all the Things that Climate Can’t Change”
    The theatre was packed (about 150 people). By about the mid point of the movie, the story line regarding climate change was quite grim, and at that point, Josh Fox is using words like, “overwhelming” and for a brief point it appeared like he understood the situation that we are in. He was even saying, “do what you love.” Had he listened to one of Guy’s presentations?
    Ah, but that was the first half, which also included the usual suspects in the form of Bill McKibben and Michael Mann. But from then on, it was all wind mills, solar panels and (vote for Bernie-in the q & a.)
    When the movie finished, it got a standing ovation (ugghhh!!!). I think that I was the only one still sitting. This was followed by a q & a and this is where perhaps my mistake was made. Of course there was no guarantee, that I would have been selected to ask a question, but if I had been, I would have brought up the fact that it’s way, way too late for wind mills and all the rest of it.
    Would I have been sneered at by most or all of the audience? Probably.
    Would it have made a difference to any of them to hear this? Probably not.
    I spent the rest of the evening wondering what the outcome would have been. Oh well, mistakes have been made. However, I don’t think that it will be too long before the majority of the people in the audience really begin to understand the predicament.

  • It is in all probability too late. However, doing something is better than doing nothing right? In which case, wind and solar are better options – albeit primarily “feel good ones”.

  • “Mistakes have been made.” According to physics, there is no mental causation, so there is no such thing as mistakes. We are all puppets.

  • .
    If you pay close attention to hollywood … it’s not a good movie without a happy ending. Forget the message in the movie, it’s all about the package. The brainwashing hollywood has done was intentional. When people are always shown by media that everything always works out just fine in the end, over and over again, then they don’t ask for change … they just wait for it to automatically happen, like in the movies. Over time, they confuse this with reality. Brainwashing isn’t about any one message … it’s about a repeated pattern, which then creates its own subconscious message.

    The medium IS the message. People don’t get that. It wasn’t ever about what the movie was actually about, it was about the pattern it reinforced in people’s minds. Brainwashing. Happy endings. Don’t worry about it, get back to consuming, we’ll be fine. It doesn’t even matter what the first half of that movie was about, it could have been about anything. Mission accomplished. They don’t show Guy’s work as a fancy film, do they. And they wouldn’t either. It doesn’t follow the brainwashing rules of ‘keep working and paying your taxes, nothing to see here folks.’

  • @lwa, I pointed out my relationship with tibetan (tantra) bhuddists to show the confusingly contradictory and impossibly paradoxical problem of life. @Guy, Terry tempest williams quit her job at U of U recently. Teaching youth activism is a no no in land of the free. Fuck You NSA. If Thoreau were alive today him and his good buddy ralph emerson would be in prison. And as Chris Hedges likes to say for all you sorry fucks at homeland security, let me repeat myself specifically for you “corporate power has to be overthrown”. You slimy pieces of cop shit recognize your orders come from walmart through its wholly owned subsidiary the federal government. So all you patriot fucks are just really a security guard for fucking walmart.

  • That was wiggy … lights off inside … daytime outside … then the lights were turned on isdie … and it became dark outside.

    Anyway, it is still my fav video so far.

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    It has been less than two months since I visited Caracas, Venezuela. While things were already very bad when I was there, they are now worse.Power shortages have deepened (and this in an oil rich country!); food is becoming scarce (some people have resorted to eating dogs and cats); people lie on concrete slabs in hospitals without medicine (if you thought medical care was bad, just wait until it’s free!); and riots and looting are growing worse. I went to see the end stages of socialism, complete with hyperinflation.
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    Just sittin’ on this runaway train, staring out the window, with a cat on my lap.
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  • Don’t know if this question has been raised explicitly before: So, if we’re doomed within a time frame of 15 years or so, does it make any sense to seek a new relationship? An obvious answer would be no. But what of seeking to lead a life of excellence, including a relationship done the proper way, especially if you have never had one. It would of course require two people who are like minded about the prospect of NTE, who decide to pursue such an endeavor anyway. Opinions?

  • Q: “why are we here?”
    A:”plastic, assholes!”

  • i think you should stop saying “rape the president’s grandson.” change it to “smash the president’s BMW in broad daylight….” something that might not trigger people who’ve dealt with sexual abuse. xoxo

  • I enjoyed this presentation very much. Thank you for speaking truth and reality.

    I’ve never seen you as being like a cold, bad-bedside-manner doctor, Guy. You are talking to people about two things. One is the reality you see in connection with NTE, and the other is an entire, and usually unconscious, worldview that they operate under, one with layers and layers and layers of unspoken assumptions, beliefs, definitions, and realities that will include entitlements, judgments, and values. Anyone who does that has to create a kind of concept-language bridge to be able to talk to other people, a concept-language bridge that understands both views well. The skill isn’t instantly installed along with the moment of enlightenment. It can take a long time to gain skill speaking truth to someone whose worldview is based in false understanding, as I believe humanism is a false understanding of reality.

  • Daily CO2

    May 22, 2016: 408.97 ppm

    May 22, 2015: 403.58 ppm

    Up 5.39 ppm

  • “So, if we’re doomed within a time frame of 15 years or so, does it make any sense to seek a new relationship?”

    Depends on the relationship, maybe?

  • Uuuummmm, Nemasis,
    I am pretty sure Guy does not expect there to be NO AGRICULTUE AT ALL…. Guy, you can correct me here if I am wrong…. I do believe Guy is referring to INDUSTRIAL -CORPORATE AGRICULURE that should stop… or be stopped… while it is true, that “civilization” is a problem and caused some issues even at the beginning of any agriculture…like habitat destruction, soil depletion and populations began to grow in problematic ways, it has been the use of fossil fuels that has brought the mad race to the cliff …. OH AND GUY HAS BROUGHT UP THE NUCLEAR SHIT…. totally, haven’t you been paying attention?…
    Generally, I read your posts and take them as a Devil’s Advocate kind of statement… but, this time…you are a bit off…

  • The older generation in Okinawa eats a diet of about 70% purple sweet potatoes. They eat very little meat or fish, which surprised me.

    All of this civilized over production of factory grain and meat has brought about a crisis of over population. An anthropology professor taught me early on that a population will expand to meet the available food supply. A greater food supply does not equal less global hunger, but a larger fringe population of malnourished or a greater potential for mass starvation. I think we are seeing this now with the droughts.

  • I think by definition I’ve finally truly made it to the “fuck it” stage. After reading this…

    http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/36133-atmospheric-carbon-dioxide-concentration-has-passed-the-point-of-no-return

    I somehow feel like this…

  • After over a month away, it’s back up and running–

    http://arctic-roos.org/


  • @Wanda Harding

    ” I am pretty sure Guy does not expect there to be NO AGRICULTUE AT ALL”

    Well, Il Dottore said “Shut down civilisation”, like many others here at NBL say, but he says it, while using much more civ on his journeys than MOST people on this fuckin planet do. MOST of the global population NEVER fly on a plane, NEVER drive in a car, DON’T have computers and shit. MOST OF THE PEOPLE ON THIS PLANET JUST STRUGGLE FOR SURVIVAL ALL DAY LONG. What that means?! Well, that means: FOOD, EATING, FUCKIN HUNGER, EXISTENTIAL NEEDS, you know^^ Like I said many times here at NBL:

    Two thirds of the global population work Mother Earth BY HAND.

    But then there are the people in the rich western countries, exactly like here on NBL, who beneftit from civ all day long, NOT working Mother Earth by hand, NOT struggling for survival all day long like most people on the planet. Doctor Guy McPherson:

    Have you ever starved? I mean, have you ever opened your refrigerator and it was EMPTY? Nothing to eat? I have. Often, my refrigerator was empty. And I know some people here in that fucking rich western countries, who know hunger quite well. I know people, who don’t even have a any bed, any appartement, they live in the streets, like dogs or pidgeons 😎

    The REAL problem isn’t agriculture or civilization or population, the real problem is INJUSTICE, GREED, IGNORANCE of a global fuckin MINORITY. Only those, who never starved, are ignorant enough to say “Shut down civilization! Shut down agriculture!” And NO, dear Wanda Harding, Il Dottore didn’t say “Shut down INDUSTRIAL PROFIT-AGRICULTURE”, he said “Shut down agriculture, because it is the basis of civilization”. But WHY do so little people here at NBL EVER mention greed and injustice of a fuckin global MINORITY?! I can tell you:

    Because they are fuckin ignorant, they can’t or they don’t want to see reality. Instead they say:

    “Everybody is responsible for the global shit.”

    I posted FACTS about the oil industry, how they FORCED GLOBAL WARMING WILLINGLY FOR ALMOST A CENTURY, but nobody here at NBL seems to notice that sick shit 😎 That’s strange, very strange indeed. Just ask those in the third world about the fuckin mess the planet is in, the fuckin mess THEY are in and they will tell you the fuckin TRUTH without hesitation or fuckin “science”:

    INJUSTICE, GREED, IGNORANCE, EXPLOITATION, DONE BY A GLOBAL MINORITY.

    To say “Shut down civilization” is a JOKE of a global minority, who finally decides that suicide is the only solution. THIS can only be claimed by people in the rich, ignorant, western countries, NEVER by REAL people, who struggle for survival all day long. But don’t worry, SOON civilization will croak because of injustice, greed, ignorance of a global minority and THEN enjoy the end of civilization, enjoy the end of abundance, the end of agriculture, the end of computers, tele-communication, the end of NBL and journeys by cars, planes, trains ect. Then you and your families and children (no, I don’t have children 🙂 ) will enjoy REAL HUNGER, REAL STRUGGLE FOR SURVIVAL like any other animal. That’s what you always say here at NBL: “We are all just animals”, but you NEVER lived an animal LIFE, gnahaha 😀 Just wait a little bit and you will see civilization croak and then enjoy a REAL animal life^^

    And about nuclear meltdown:

    Sure, Il Dottore mentions nuclear meltdown all the time, but he never mentioned, that shutting down civilization would cause exactly that fuckin global nuclear meltdown. When you shut down civilization, then you AND Nature will get nuclear HELL.

    Hell, I am just happy, that I don’t have children and nothing to lose. Now go on, sweet doomerz in the fuckin, rich, ignorant, western countries and enjoyy life at NBL as long as you can 😎

  • Nemesis Says: Sure, Il Dottore mentions nuclear meltdown all the time, but he never mentioned, that shutting down civilization would cause exactly that fuckin global nuclear meltdown. When you shut down civilization, then you AND Nature will get nuclear HELL.

    I guess, that’s my cue.

    I, for one, am tired of waiting for the climate to end habitat for humans. Like I said before, if Guy would focus on touring the nation’s nuclear power plants to convince the workers who actually can end civilization to do so by walking away from their jobs, all this tedious waiting would end. (These granola crunching California Birkenstock type groups that he speaks to are incapable of doing the job) Another option would be to encourage the soldiers in charge of nuclear weapons to launch them. If we want to put an end to civilization, we ought to have the courage to encourage the actions that will truly end it, and in the quickest way possible.


  • I don’t say, you are sick, Mr. Elroy Hubbard (bwtw, greetings to all scientology aficionados!^^), but your statement is more than sick. Yeah, another sick, stupid, ignorant comment on NBL.

    Erm, WHY DON’T Y.O.U. just go to the fuckin nuclear shit plants and tell them to stop workin ?!

    Yeah, I am really beginning to get the impression that I’ve gone astray on a fuckin Scientology website or something….

    ” all this tedious waiting would end…”

    Aha, I see^^ Don’t you have the GUTS to end your life? See, then “all this tedious waiting would end” for sure 🙂

    Sick, fuckin sick. This kinda ignorance really deserves nothing but the end and it will get it soon.

    Out.

  • WHY DON’T Y.O.U. just go to the fuckin nuclear shit plants and tell them to stop workin ?! Aha, I see^^ Don’t you have the GUTS to end your life? See, then “all this tedious waiting would end” for sure.

    Nemesis, Yes! I was just going to suggest that we need to organize actions encouraging those two specific things, rather than sit around here posting Grateful Dead youtubes. We all want to help the the dear doctor achieve his end-civ goals, do we not? Otherwise why are we here?

  • Yes, join now, ditch work, stay home, do not spend any money on anything non-essential together we can SHUT IT DOWN!

  • Yea I say unto thee SHUT IT DOWN seriously in a sarcastic tone. http://www.endofmore.com/?p=1464 http://www.endofmore.com/?m=201602

  • Pat – Socialism has very little to do with the collapse of Venezuela. If Venezuela illustrates anything it is that you can’t expect socialism (or any ism) to resolve all the destruction that decades of colonialism, corruption, and oligarchy has wrought.

  • Ditto the above !!

    *BONUS : Insert the word ‘Detroit ‘ right after “…collapse of —–” ( where the word ‘Venezuela ‘ was 🙂 and leave the rest of the paragraph just like it is. Still works perfectly !!

    Socialism had nutti’n to w/ it here, either, I swear. -JJoslin ( Deroit, USA )

  • .
    We have free medical care up here in commie Canada. Nobody lies around on stone slabs. You go to the hospital, they fix your broken arm, and you don’t get a bill in the mail that ruins you financially. Although, Americanism is creeping into our system more and more everyday. Some people want to see medical care available only for those who have lot’s of money.

    Fuck you if you didn’t make a bunch of money in the oilsands, they say, get out of our province if you only work in a grocery store bagging our groceries for us, we don’t like your kind here anyway. Some rich person will bag our groceries for us, that’s how it will work, and we’ll all eat cake!! Yay for cake! Cake and dilbit … yay! Fuck the poor, and anybody else too who didn’t inherit money from their daddy!! Now were’d I park my pick-me-up truck?

  • “I am just happy, that I don’t have children and nothing to lose”

    You could still lose access to a keyboard. And then you would have a lot of time on your hands.

  • @ Pat and Jef:

    And anyone interested in Venezuela.

    This article may be informative:

    http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Behind-the-Food-Lines-in-Venezuela-20160514-0035.html

    The Chavez government should not have allowed the country to become so dependent upon food and basic staple imports. It failed to attain self-sufficiency in these areas and instead used oil income for imports.

    This was its fatal mistake.

    Now, with the price of oil crashed (very likely due to US-Saudi collusion), all that money for imports is gone.

    If you’re going to sustain a revolution, you need to develop and as much self-sufficiency as possible in the area of basic needs. Otherwise, a certain foreign power may note the weakness and use it to “make the economy scream,” as has happened on past occasions:

    http://www.democracynow.org/2013/9/10/40_years_after_chiles_9_11

    Interestingly, Mike Ruppert once spent time in Venezuela when he believed Dick Cheney was gunning for him.

  • Waaaaaaaaaa…

    I want my MTV

  • What Ghostwhee said to mutt and jeff.

  • Encinitas, California

    that’s funny. my ex brother-in-law lives there and ‘had’ a b-b-q restaurant called Big Jim’s BBQ. Sold that in 2010. Now he sells southern fried and boiled peanuts.

    His Tee Shirts say: “EAT MY NUTS”

    Good old Alabama boy.

  • Daily CO2

    May 23, 2016: 408.86 ppm

    May 23, 2015: 403.57 ppm

    ………………………………………..

    600 tons of melted radioactive Fukushima fuel still not found, clean-up chief reveals

    https://rt.com/news/344200-fukushima-melted-nuclear-fuel/

  • lol -> Robyn

    If you live each day as your last, does it make sense to start a relationship?

    you betcha!

    do you like to breathe?

    if each breath is your last should you try again?

    is it better to have breathed and failed,

    than never to have breathed at all?

    Earth Losing Atmosphere Faster Than Mars Due To Carbon Emissions, Magnetic Field Loss And Declining Biodiversity. from collapse

  • We are at less than 21% oxygen right now,

    when oxygen goes below 19%

    our higher cognitive funcshuns fuk up.

  • Nemasis… and Elroy Hubbard…
    Now, you see, I do not take what Guy is saying about shutting down civilization… as… anything except… stop using industrial-corporate civilization… I think what he is getting at is to “go back” to living… as you describe some other people do in non industrialized countries… and yes… live close to work… maybe a bit like animals live… in touch with nature… this is how I take his talks…. and I do not think he wants to allow the nuclear power plants to melt down at all… If I remember right… he states somewhere how long it would take to shut down a nuclear plant… like 40 years.. so, in a older article, it seems that (maybe) he says we should work to shut them down.. so they are NOT able to MELT DOWN… I MEAN, this is weird. I see all the time, situations in which two or more people are basically on the same page, yet the communication devolves in a morass of misunderstanding… and I stand there or sit there saying.. “no, that is not what he/she or I meant!”.
    Really, we are mostly all on the same page and I do not understand why there is so much outright aggression … we are here to WORK OUT OUR IDEAS AND SEE WHAT COMES OF IT…
    I respond a lot more on another site.. have for years… I was waiting to comment here cause …well, I needed to get a feel for it..
    Nemesis… I HAVE BEEN HUNGRY, my kids maybe not so much, just bored to death of the same food… by the standards in many other countries, I guess I am rich, even the when I was my poorest, which was pretty poor, even if only for a short time… but more than once…
    I am still leaving pay check to pay check… but, I do own my house.. or rather I have a mortgage… I do have two kids… didn’t know anything about any of this “stuff” when I made that decision… almost 20 years ago… I have two girls… Both are on birth control and both are learning that ONE MUST CONSIDER THE STATE OF THE WORLD… before having children… they are 19 1/2 and 16… I am trying to help them realize it is NOT A GIVEN TO HAVE CHILDREN….
    I live in a rural town and have a big garden every year.. although, since I have to work a lot, I do not get to “do it up” much… give some of it away. We are down to one car now.. and we have to work out our rides to work.. My husband and I… oldest daughter is in college… so .. . that is lucky for us to have that for her…. although, we are not paying for it. I pay for her car insurance and she works..
    You see, I have come to the understanding that the climate change issue (ha, understatement)… CRISIS… comes to a person through a chance in consciousness.. I first heard about it in about 1999. However, it was a phrase I heard from someone and I did not have one iota the significance of it.. I thought it would be nice to have say, North Carolina weather up here in New York… then, I learned more in about 2003… and kept learning, mostly because I had the internet at that time, through work only.. and I listened to Amy Goodman on NPR… she covered … but, I didn’t learn enough until the last few years… what I do is, spread the word… through articles and info or websites, like this one … to many people.. even strangers…like at the grocery store… I mention something that is like a “hook’ that will get them to want to start their own RESEARCH… give them the “how’ or “where ” to do so…

    I know this was long.. but, well, I have been waiting…

  • …. and…we all have to understand that, when reading what someone wrote down on paper, you are really getting a limited, one dimensional perspective… You are not getting their body language, for instance. The ideas and concepts, beliefs, etc… that a person has, are much more involved than one or a few quick response here… I have ALL KINDS OF IDEAS… about our civilization…. but, you won’t get all that here… I am pretty much in the camp that we will go extinct and that’s mostly because I do not think we will be able to handle all those nuke plants… that’s the sickest part of all this shit.
    As for EXXON… f’ing us for decades about climate change… I too am so angry (about more than this, too) that I would actually love to get my hands on the exec’s that have been in control over the years… and well….. I HOPT TO HELL THEY GO TO JAIL…. AND THEY LOOSE ALL THEIR MONEY AND THEIR FAMILIES BECOME POOR… but, you are right, they probably won’t go to jail.. their kids will always get way more than any of the kids of the rest of us… etc…
    You are NOT THE ONLY PERSON THAT IS ANGRY… I AM VERY AWARE OF all the injustice around the world… and how WE HERE… are mostly the cause of it… I even explain to other people I know… even family… and this has caused a big rift between myself and a sister… and I can not talk much about it with the other sister… she says I am too negative…
    OH and there are some typos in the other post… but, I am too tired to fix it… time for bed.

  • @David Higham
    Thanks for introducing me to ‘the conversation”.Good read, spent this week on my 10 acres, planting trees,nearly got burnt,a hot gust came pouring through the eucalyptus out of nowhere, carrying smoke and embers from a nearby fire, then a howling firestorm gale.put the shivers up me.Just escaped the flames on my land. My block is just near Bulahdelah is high rainfall area and is dry as a bone now.
    The sun is like a knife that cuts through you this year like no other,must be Hot In North Queensland?
    @ Robert Callaghan
    Keep plugging away at that Blues slide guitar man(was that you in the you tube video you posted a while back?sounds OK to me..from down-under “preacher man’, you are your own worst critic) keep flogging your website…
    like you say, better to have failed, than not to have failed at all.
    And if you are brave enough to record and listen back to yourself.look out! “the tape never lies’

  • Henry Holt,
    Thanks for the info. on your land.Frightening to have a fire like that near the end of May.We have had a very dry year so far,but had
    86mm rain a few days ago,which was very welcome.
    Re temperatures,here they are reflecting the global trend. This month has
    been far warmer than any previous May we have had here. The daily minima have varied
    between 15 C and 20 C. ,and the maxima between 21 C and 31 C.
    The mean minimum and maximum for May here is 13.3 C and 22.9 C.(from Met.
    bureau statistics pre-1977)

  • Stupidity Bats Last

    Post Peak Stupidity And Collapse from collapse

    Hellhounds on my Trial

    Thanks Dave, I’m tone deaf, got no rhythm, and am all thumbs. I can’t play guitar too well, but I never let that stop me. I play every day. I always play slide when drinking, which is why I live alone in the woods. It more or less sounds like I’m making a cat wail.

  • The four minute long Newsroom clip is available on youtube and sums up the situation concisely–and since, as the Dr says, life is short, there’s no reason to sit through 99 minutes of presentation and questions which amount to saying the same thing. As for the boilerplate “live for today” message, it’s been done to death, and there are better and innumerable sources to be found. The only somewhat unique and interesting idea presented is the terminate civilization one. He brings it up but then immediately quashes any discussion of it.

    “Let’s make this about them(other species), and what that means is terminating civilization.”@34:00 part 1

    “It’s quite apparent that collapse of civilization in the only approach which will give ours and perhaps other species a longer run…so I’m a big fan of taking action to terminate civilization.” @10:00 part 2

    Questioner: “What does that mean?”

    Answer: I’m not going to talk about it. Here’s a couple of books to read.

    The only action he’s a big fan of, action that he says will help other species, is not worthy of any discussion in a 98 minute talk?

  • Is there a place in heaven for dogs? If so, what about hell?

    I remember the Davey and Goliath clay animations of my youth.

    http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=gravey+and+jobriath&view=detail&mid=5C022D233CA3F0061D6F5C022D233CA3F0061D6F&FORM=VIRE

  • Robert C.

    You wrote…

    ‘If you live each day as your last…’

    I read that to mean lived it like you did yesterday, not one’s final day…

    Lol…Silly me ! Kinda felt that’s what got us here in the post WWII period.

    For some reason the image appears in my play-lunch mind of two clown faces on balloons flying up into the upper atmosphere, each with the face of Frankie Avalon and Annette Funacello, with multiple face-lifts….higher…higher…then…pop! and pop!

    Here it is folks…

    ‘Beach Party 1963 Frankie Avalon Annette Funicello’

    and this follow up,

    ‘Annette Funicello & Frankie Avalon on Joan Rivers Show 1990’

    “yes” and “no” he says and she says.
    The cheeziness makes me feel like vomiting.

    🙂

  • @ Robert Callagham

    Thanks for Kelly Joe Phelps,anyone whole loves the blues is not tone deaf!!
    I play a mean.. blues harp,for years now,we should get together drunk or sober and i could hoWL like a dog in Heaven(i mean hell?)and you can wail like a cat
    My name is sonnyboy Henry Holt, not David..Don”t forget it!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBBQQU2aKd4

  • The tar sands shown here make me think of a cancer tumor erupting through my skin. Horrifying in its own right, it is just a portent of the more final devastation that is now spreading inexorably throughout my body.

    Tar sands, fracking, mountaintop removal and open-pit mining, spreading extinctions, dying oceans, Syrian refugees, Indian heat-stroke victims, floods and wildfires, the EU vs. Greece, the Chinese economy, Fukushima, Ferguson, Dick Cheney, Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump, melting ice caps, Indonesian palm-oil plantations, Goldman Sachs, Martin Shkreli, Vladimir Putin, Bernie Sanders, ISIS and the NSA. Each in its own way is a symptom of the blossoming carcinoma.

    As the metastatic fever rises and parts of the organism begin to die, those of us who see the dissolution for what it is face the most important question of our lives. How will we live out our remaining time here, in the failing body of Mother Earth?

    http://climatestate.com/2014/07/03/canadas-shocking-oilsands-operation-aerial-footage/

  • In case anyone wondered, my reference to cancer was metaphorical. I said it that way because I consider myself to be part of the body of the planet. If Gaia has cancer, so do I.

    Many people won’t understand my inclusion of Bernie. I consider the populism that he represents on the left, along with Trump’s right-wing populism, to be symptoms of the underlying disease. Consider the politicians I named as stand-ins for every politician on the planet, including the Elizabeth Mays and Jill Steins of the world. The inherent role of politicians is to spread the disease, not to stop it. Bernie may be a kinder, gentler symptom, but even his flourishing won’t slow the disease.

    It’s too far along now – there are now 7.4 billion cancer cells on the planet. Each one is leaking its particular metabolic toxin into the body of the Mother. Each one is dreaming of being bigger and better, and shedding little cancer cells that will have a chance at a better, more toxic life than their parents.

    Nobody can be immune, because we are the vector.

  • Paul, thank you for your poignant posts above with fitting use of cancer metaphor as well as posing THE question:

    “How will we live out our remaining time here, in the failing body of Mother Earth?”

    No human who has walked the earth has had to deal with the earth’s biosphere collapsing (from homo sapiens) until now. There is a psychological term called “complicated grief” which I believe is what we all must grapple with. There are not set “stages to work through” as this level of loss is unprecedented. Everything we’ve come to know and love—– EVERYTHING—–is falling away—-even the seasons. Even the night sky—- obliterated by smoke and pollution.

    I do believe there is some literal truth to your metaphor as I agree with with Aboriginal activist, poet, healer, musician Bobby McLeod when he said:
    When the earth is sick and polluted, human health is impossible….

    in another vein:

    Warren Haynes and Railroad Earth:

  • Stay home ditch work, do not spend money, talk to your neighbors, plant a garden, live life as if you had one day left to make amends with the world. SHUT IT DOWN!

  • 1) What Dave Thompson said … and

    2) The Guardian is honorable: “Keep it in the ground, this newspaper has argued for ages on fossil fuels. Then keep out of our annual meeting, replies ExxonMobil … Or, to quote Exxon’s media relations manager, Alan Jeffers: “We are denying your request [to attend Wednesday’s meeting] because of the Guardian’s lack of objectivity on climate change reporting demonstrated by its partnership with anti-oil and gas activists and its campaign against companies that provide energy necessary for modern life, including newspapers.”

    (Hypersensitive Exxon bans Guardian from AGM).

  • Our prescient & STILL-VERY-ACADEMIC professor is toiling to “terminate” industrial civilization as he cavalierly flies about the planet, including Europe & New Zealand, delivering his message to “terminate” industrial civilization.

    What is there to discuss?

    PLENTY.

  • Some bamboozled pilgrims on these pages are seriously discussing the delightful/gruesome prospect of living it up for an additional 15 years.

    If you are alive in three years you may want to take the blessed cyanide – should you be able to get some?

    Innocent pilgrims must think that the prodigious billions of tons of Arctic methane stores are going to take a long nappy poo.

    Last Arctic methane count was in excess of 3000 ppb or 3 ppm.

    Three ppm methane shortens our time to real hell on earth.

    search Youtube; Natalia Shakhova extended interview


  • @Wanda Harding

    Thanks a lot for your extensive, open reply, I really appreciate that. Just let me pick one thing for today:

    ” I HOPT TO HELL THEY GO TO JAIL…. AND THEY LOOSE ALL THEIR MONEY AND THEIR FAMILIES BECOME POOR…”

    Me, personally, i am not even interested in seeing them in jail. To me, the most important thing is, that we really see behind all that smoke and mirrors and see, what really happened historically. Exxon is responsible for really ugly things and so are many others. I think, it is never a good thing, to charge ALL human beings for certain things.

    I am too tired this evening to write more, so I’d like to answer your reply tomorrow in more detail. Thanks again for your differentiated reply!


  • .
    Yes Wanda, I really enjoyed your comments too. Thanks for being so open and genuine, it was refreshing. I hope to hear more from you here on NBL. You showed a lot of heart in your words, and I liked it.

    .
    Gerald, it’s still a beautiful spring day here today, despite what may be coming down the pike for us in the near future. In a way though, life has always been like that, there’s always been an opportunity to let the fear of tomorrow negatively affect you today. If some grins and calm experiences can be found in the present moment for some people as we go forward into whatever the future brings, then why should they choose to feel miserable over something that isn’t even transpiring yet, just because they have an intellectual notion that it’s probably coming at some future date?

    I think you just live in fear. I’m ready to die tomorrow. But that’s tomorrow, not today. Even three or four years is a long time to just give up and sit there moping about the future all day long. How does YOUR anxious mood help what’s happening in the future anyway? It doesn’t, yet you act as if it does the way you admonish other people (also aware of NTE) just for trying to have a happy moment here and there.

    It’s like you want us to all act like we’re all already dead before it even actually happens.

    I’d have that relationship. Why the hell wouldn’t you be in love if that’s what’s presenting itself to you in the present?

    People have always found reasons to not do things just because of what may or may not be happening tomorrow. That’s not even new. That’s actually how people got tricked into going to work for empire all day long and feeding the system.

  • I’m Ready to Go!


    I’m Ready to Go – The Isaacs

  • Here is more on the shape of…well…err….more!

    ‘Sydney will be unrecognisable now that the planners have gone’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/sydney-will-be-unrecognisable-now-that-the-planners-have-gone-20160525-gp3cwb.html#ixzz49iYfrgWm
    Follow us: @smh on Twitter | sydneymorningherald on Facebook

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/sydney-will-be-unrecognisable-now-that-the-planners-have-gone-20160525-gp3cwb.html

    A quote:

    “There’s a weird Sydney phenomenon whereby the bigger a change, the harder the government works to hide it, hoping to have contracts let and digging-machines poised before anyone sees what’s really going down. It’s what Berlin-based planning professor Dr Karl Fischer describes as “a friendly, most generous culture underpinned by elements of systemic violence”.
    But reinforcing that deceit is voluntary self-censorship, the silence of those who could speak, and should speak, but don’t. The silence of the planning lambs. “I’m shocked,” says Fischer, “by the level of secrecy in NSW urban politics and city-making.” ”

    What MORE can I say. Like the terminator, it will not stop, until we are dead.

    ‘Terminator will not stop …. Ever’

    I say it here first on NBL,

    the machine is the confluence of Representation and Abstraction of life. The representation aspect is the presumption that material existence simulates life, or represents life if it can have mobility, fine articulation and choice functionality. This is where the Kurzweils of this world believe complexity makes life or consciousness. The abstraction is where rationality is presumed to be the nature of consciousness because this is the means to replicate the product stream. If you can make a process or technology known, you can make a machine, and stabalise a production chain. That is not conscious as it is a machine. This applies to any machine whatsoever, and also including economic theory learn by undergrads as PDFs as rote. The abstraction is the presumption that a form is ‘replicated’ and 100 % real if it is made into a machine.
    Thus, the two married together as the living machine, and idealised as the ‘replicant’ in Blade Runner, and the ‘terminator’ in Terminator, represent form and function of (human) life, but are neither.

    Humans are not flawed, just the ideas we tell ourselves what we are are. Growing beyond the machine concept of Humanism will be a bottleneck as many here have previously described. No need to rehash how dire it is becoming.

    How many days have you looked deeply into another’s eyes, be they 4 legs , 2 legs or compound eyes?

    I contend the forms are different for sure, but the life is all exactly identical.

    QED

    😉

  • Ozman, Wanda H. – wow.

    Paul – big wow, mewow:

    It’s too far along now – there are now 7.4 billion cancer cells on the planet. Each one is leaking its particular metabolic toxin into the body of the Mother. Each one is dreaming of being bigger and better, and shedding little cancer cells that will have a chance at a better, more toxic life than their parents.

    Nobody can be immune, because we are the vector.

    And i think this is the central dilemma that spawns the complicated Grief (that Caroline mentions): how to come to terms with the knowledge that one’s existence is destroying the thing one loves the most (or has this in some hidden way always been so).

    The mind trembles, the heart quivers, the soul shivers…

    we are the vector…

  • Thanks LWA
    Yes! I am with you, good words to Gerald’s disturbing post
    Do these sound familiar??

    “One day at a time”
    “Keep it Simple”
    “Easy does it”
    “This too shall pass”
    “Do the next right thing”

    When I was relishing in drugs and alcohol in my mid-twenties I ended up in the rooms of AA looking for answers and community, for a short stint. The old members in the rooms,would walk with me at night, gentle souls they were… and to have time for a lunatic like me?
    They walked with me and would tell me… just take “one day at a time” etc et
    This has proved to be valuable my entire life

    Everyone you meet is fighting a battle you know nothing about… Be Kind
    Holding on to anger is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die

    “Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, that is why we call it the present”

    I find this one quite relevant for NBL

    “Take what you want and leave the rest”

  • “It’s quite apparent that collapse of civilization is the only approach which will give ours and perhaps other species a longer run…so I’m a big fan of taking action to terminate civilization.” @10:00 part 2

    Questioner: “What does that mean?”

    Let’s answer this poor Encinitas man’s question–especially since we’re all about love and excellence now, which to me means being honest and direct. A term like “terminate civilization” hides too much, so it’s a bit weasel term. Leaving aside that no evidence is presented as to how other species or humans will have a longer run when we have already declared that humans won’t exist fifteen years from now– here’s my better, fleshed out version:

    It’s quite apparent that collapse of civilization is the only approach which will give ours and perhaps other species a longer run…so I’m a big fan of taking action to terminate civilization, which means ending agriculture on any substantial scale and shutting off all powered utilities. This Pol Pot style dream of mine will result in the deaths of at least 90% of humans within a month, and the global release of cesium-137 and other nasty things from the now unattended nuclear plants (I’ll explain later how other species will do better with all the nasty stuff in the air, but for now, just trust me because I’m a scientist.)

    Personally, I think we missed a big opportunity here to get wads of cash out of this affluent audience by not fleshing out our message.

  • Just in case there is anyone still hooked on hope, Bill English, Finance Minister in the Key government in ‘clean and green NZ’, announced details of the government’s fuck-the-planet-faster policies today.

    In addition to population growth and increased dependence on fossil fuels, there is to be additional conversion of limestone into atmospheric CO2, plus additional direct injection of CO2 and ODS into the atmosphere via international tourism.

    The meltdown is coming along nicely:

    Daily CO2

    May 23, 2016: 408.86 ppm

    May 23, 2015: 403.57 ppm

    Up 5.29 ppm (versus 2.11 ppm per annum recent average)

    And about 85,000 km2 of ice cover was lost yesterday, taking the ‘worm’ further from the norm:

    http://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/vishop-extent.html

    (I think the best way to view the graph is to delete all but the 2000s average and 2016.)


  • @ ” I’m a big fan of taking action to terminate civilization,”

    Said the clever man, who still uses computers, electricity, agricultural products ect ect ect. Funny 🙂 Yoh, I am a fan of funny paroles too, just like Dave Thompson et al:

    SHUT IT DOWN! SHUT IT DOWN! SHUT IT DOWN!

    Yoh, now go on, sweet doomerz and please:

    HAVE FUN! 🙂

  • I’ve realized that simply saying “humanity is a cancer” is facile and dismissive, and ignores the hundreds of thousands of years during which there was no evidence of it. Even to be a good metaphor it has to be more complex than that.

    The idea I’m playing with instead is that humanity is not “a cancer”, but that we are apparently prone to developing cancer when we are exposed to high density energy. The cancer that we get manifests as civilization. The more powerful the energy we are exposed to, the stronger the civilization cancer becomes and the faster it develops.

    Is there a cure for this form of cancer? I suspect it’s possible, if the energy source is removed early enough. But it’s not likely for us given how advanced the cancer is, and how much energy we now have at our disposal.

    Despite my use of the “humanity as cancer” metaphor yesterday, I don’t really like to pathologize collective human behavior. It’s not a pathway to understanding – it’s just a judgement. I’ve worked hard for the past few years to get past it.

    My preferred approach falls somewhere between a Taoist “Que sera, sera” and the objective musings of a Martian anthropologist. I find much more satisfaction in seeing our civilization-building behavior in terms of self-organizing complex adaptive systems. Such systems tend to grow in complexity, scale and degree of organization as they process greater energy flows. They also tend to encourage psychopathy in the upper echelons of their control structure.

    On the other hand, I still have a strong emotional reaction when I’m confronted with visual evidence of the degree of ugliness that human beings can produce, tolerate and even celebrate. That’s when judgement arises, as it did here. When I saw these photographs of the incomprehensible violence we are inflicting on the Earth in our apparently insatiable lust for ever more growth-fueling energy, I lost my equanimity in a whirlwind of anger.

    I’m feeling much calmer this morning, so the Martian anthropologist is back in the house…

  • http://www.quantamagazine.org/20140122-a-new-physics-theory-of-life/

    Maybe we’re just too good at Physics!

    Best Wishes

  • .
    @Paul

    I looked at your pictures yesterday, and I agree that they were disgusting and disheartening. However, I also couldn’t help but think of how it was really no different than what happens when we build a city, which we have done by the thousands. It’s just that with a city, no different in size (bigger actually) … we clear the trees and brush down to the soil one house or a few houses at a time. It’s just less noticeable to the eye because it’s incremental. At the oil sands, they just stripped back the land all at once and it looks really horrific, but how is that any worse than what in effect happens when a city displaces the nature that once preceded it as it slowly paves the nature in concrete and erects buildings?

    Then there is mountain top removal coal operations like we see in the U.S. too, and huge open pit mineral mines all over the world everywhere, … just as much damage. Not many original animals can find habitat anymore even in open crop land that once used to be forest … and people feel as though that’s the country side … the farm … nature (with a little stand of trees left or planted around the homestead.)

    While I don’t condone the oilsands or that sort of human activity in any way, I wondered as I looked at the pics if the visceral reaction is amplified because it’s all just muck and mud and tailings ponds. I reflected when I looked at those pictures how that isn’t much different than what erecting a city does to the land … and cities are just as polluted and toxic too with our round up and oil dumped in back alleys and shit flowing into the nearby water way as waste.

    Anyway, just a reflection on the psychology of optics was all … obviously I’m no fan of the oilsands. I think almost any large city is far bigger though, the city just grew incrementally was all, and I guess we think concrete looks clean or something in our minds … less psychological shock, but same, same really.


  • @Wanda Harding

    ” I do not think he wants to allow the nuclear power plants to melt down at all… If I remember right… he states somewhere how long it would take to shut down a nuclear plant… like 40 years.. so, in a older article, it seems that (maybe) he says we should work to shut them down.. so they are NOT able to MELT DOWN… I MEAN, this is weird. I see all the time, situations in which two or more people are basically on the same page, yet the communication devolves in a morass of misunderstanding… and I stand there or sit there saying.. “no, that is not what he/she or I meant!”.

    Yoh, that’s surely a problem of tele-communication. I vote shutting down of all nuclear power plants, but shutting down civilization would end up in a complete desaster for humans AND Nature, that’s for sure. Btw:

    It would be no big deal for Doctor Guy McPherson to clarify that here at NBL within seconds. So far no response from him about that, that’s a pitty.

    ” we are here to WORK OUT OUR IDEAS AND SEE WHAT COMES OF IT… ”

    If so, that would be fine! But a lot of people here just can’t await their very own exctinction and the the extinction of all human beings. That is SICK, that is selfhatred and the sick wish, to commit extended suicide. Some folks here on NBL appear to be just losers and they just hate all people, themselves included.

    ” ONE MUST CONSIDER THE STATE OF THE WORLD… before having children…”

    Yoh, that’s for sure! Therefore I did not procreate, because I did not want my children suffer fuckin Empire ect. I’d go crazy, to see my kids grow up in fuckin Empire school and suffer the same brainwash like most kids. But anyway: You are a good person and I wish you and your children all the best from my Heart!

    ” You are NOT THE ONLY PERSON THAT IS ANGRY… I AM VERY AWARE OF all the injustice around the world ”

    That is really good to know! There are really millions of reasons to get extremely ANGRY, especially when you know, what the future of your children and all other children might look like in 10, 20 years from now. So, we are brethren and sistren in being ANGRY, extremely ANGRY.

    Dear Wanda Harding, thanks again for your honest reply and all the BEST for you and your family!

    Peace


    Yoh, I dedicate that to the NBL comunity today, enjoy:

    http://tinyurl.com/zvknam7


  • “I lost my equanimity in a whirlwind of anger.”

    Equanimity is never “lost”; it is beginningless and endless (“anadi” & “ananta”) and is the intrinsic nature of every sentient entity. What is disrupted is the veneer of disregard masking attachments.When attachments are thus exposed, it can become an opportunity to recognise and remove them.

    The nature of “the ten thousand things” will not be denied or evaded: matter in the presence of energy gradients self-organises towards more efficient configurations of progressively greater complexity that more quickly, persistently and completely dissipate those gradients. Homo sapiens is one part of a configuration. Ants building an anthill, carrion beetles consuming a carcass, or earthmoving equipment extracting tar sands: a matter of circumstance and scale.

    “When the self advances, the ten thousand things retreat; but when the self withdraws the ten thousand things take over” – Dogen

  • Guy’s message for me is clearly “understand the evidence, be mindful of these dire times”
    However…Guy says go out there and live for the best way you can, in light of this, but do not be attached to the outcome.
    For me I can learn a lot from this, that is… take one day a time, let go of any anger as this will cloud my vision for what is to be alive today. Anger and resentment will consume me.Let go let live
    Today I will choose to spend quality with my family and kids, talk to my neighbours, plant trees, build a vege garden, play music, go for walks in the bush, eat good food. Join the working bee at the local school, spend time with other kids and be there for them. Do something for someone else and do not be attached to the outcome
    Guy is doing something for others, by speaking around the world, and is not attached to the outcome, his message is far larger than shut down industrial civilisation, he does not spouse to be argy and resentful. He admits he has been angry and clinical, as I am often angry and resentful too.
    Tomorrow at some stage when I am angry again at the lies of industrial civilisation that surround me, I will have to learn again to let it go. And again …and again. For the most part I am present today this does not mean I am happy and hopeful. This is why I enjoy playing the music it takes me to another realm however can be somewhat indulgent if not monitored.
    I read a book on mindful meditation a few years ago and it changed my attitude

  • We’re back

    The superbug that could render antibiotics useless just hit the US

    “For the first time, researchers have found a person in the United States carrying a bacteria resistant to antibiotics of last resort, an alarming development that the top US public health official says could mean “the end of the road” for antibiotics.”

    “The authors wrote that the discovery “heralds the emergence of a truly pan-drug resistant bacteria.”

    “In some instances, these superbugs kill up to 50 per cent of patients who become infected.”

    ”It basically shows us that the end of the road isn’t very far away for antibiotics — that we may be in a situation where we have patients in our intensive-care units, or patients getting urinary tract infections for which we do not have antibiotics,” CDC Director Tom Frieden in an interview Thursday.”

    “I’ve been there for TB patients. I’ve cared for patients for whom there are no drugs left. It is a feeling of such horror and helplessness,” Frieden added.”

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/the-superbug-that-could-render-antibiotics-useless-just-hit-the-us-20160526-gp4yl3.html

  • BTW, Forgot to mention … besides the impromptu conversations with people about climate change… I also call the White House comment line about twice a month. The main thing I comment on or ask for is: “When is the President going to make an EXECUTIVE DIRECTIVE, to begin the shut down of ALL NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS IN THE U.S.A. … This will give us all a head start so that as EMPIRE CRUMBLES… they are in the last stages or shut down completely. Now, I did not come up with that ideas of course, I am pretty sure it came from Guy, if I remember right. Get a start on it now… this was about the beginning of when I first started reading Guy’s stuff… about…. 4-years ago… or 3…

  • Some really good comments in this thread! And thank you for the updates, kevin moore… the ‘worm’ is inching farther away from the 2000s average.

    ========

    Apneaman Says:
    The superbug that could render antibiotics useless just hit the US

    —-

    My take on this – this is a result of a century or more of modern man’s quest for control over nature in his efforts to fight disease. Our indigenous ancestors worked with nature instead of seeking to control it in their efforts to fight disease. This, they did with herbs and naturally occurring compounds and minerals. It should be no surprise that the modern medicine men in the early 20th century had books containing knowledge of folk remedies and herbs burned up and destroyed as they sought to give the then-nascent industrial pharma complex a leg up. It’s the funny money, as Nemesis puts it.

    Nature Bats Last… indeed.

    ========

    Paul Chefurka Says:

    As the metastatic fever rises and parts of the organism begin to die, those of us who see the dissolution for what it is face the most important question of our lives. How will we live out our remaining time here, in the failing body of Mother Earth?

    In case anyone wondered, my reference to cancer was metaphorical. I said it that way because I consider myself to be part of the body of the planet. If Gaia has cancer, so do I.

    It’s too far along now – there are now 7.4 billion cancer cells on the planet. Each one is leaking its particular metabolic toxin into the body of the Mother. Each one is dreaming of being bigger and better, and shedding little cancer cells that will have a chance at a better, more toxic life than their parents.

    —-

    The analogy to cancer has been mentioned in this space many times. It’s a very useful analogy and if we look at Dr. Warren Hern’s thesis, there are close parallels. An excerpt from one of his papers:

    Has The Human Species Become A Cancer On The Planet?: A Theoretical View Of Population Growth As A Sign of Pathology

    “Rapid, uncontrolled growth is a principal characteristic of one kind of neoplasm (new growth), that of a malignant neoplasm. Malignant neoplasms display four main characteristics:
    • Rapid, uncontrolled growth;
    • Invasion and destruction of adjacent normal tissues;
    • De-differentiation (loss of distinctiveness of individual components); and
    • Metastasis to different sites (Anderson 1961; Perez-Tamayo 1961).

    Cancers also show what cancer biologists call progression, or an evolution toward greater malignancy, with less differentiation of cells, faster growth, and more
    metastatically aggressive cells (Prescott 1990; Ruddon 1987).”

    If I seem to repeat myself in this space, please accept my apologies. Long-time doomers here on the beach have no doubt seen me say similar things again and again. What I am trying to do here is answer Paul’s question: “How will we live out our remaining time here, in the failing body of Mother Earth?” I choose to, among other things, educate myself about “The Great Forgetting” and share what I discover with others. Take it or leave it. You’re at choice to skip over my comments.

    The Great Forgetting loosely refers to the event that set up man on a path that is considerably and fundamentally different from the thousands of paths he had been on up until that event occurred. A path that has lead us all to this moment in time, staring into an abyss, confused and lonely [non]participants in the creation around us. There is much to learn from looking into this event, asking questions about what it was like before and gaining a new perspective on what came afterwards, a perspective that has been misrepresented in modern culture as “progress”. We call the path we are on “civilization”.

    Paul, I agree with you when you say, “I’ve realized that simply saying “humanity is a cancer” is facile and dismissive, and ignores the hundreds of thousands of years during which there was no evidence of it. Even to be a good metaphor it has to be more complex than that.”

    I do find myself calling into question the following thesis though:

    “The idea I’m playing with instead is that humanity is not “a cancer”, but that we are apparently prone to developing cancer when we are exposed to high density energy. The cancer that we get manifests as civilization. The more powerful the energy we are exposed to, the stronger the civilization cancer becomes and the faster it develops.”

    There is considerable evidence that indigenous peoples the world over extracted an infinitesimally small amount of the total energy available to them in their native ecosystems. Native Americans knew of the black goo that we call petroleum but they chose to leave it be. I’m not saying they never tried to put it to use but that most probably they very much did play with it but learned their lessons (because they were good listeners) and CHOSE to leave it alone. Likewise with Uranium. They knew of it. They pulled it out and it made them sick. That’s how it “spoke” to them. They listened and never touched it again. They told us not to take it out. They said “that spirit” likes to stay hidden in the ground and doesn’t like being dug up. We didn’t listen.

    We live in a world where humans have plenty of choice. Over time, we have lost much of it to centralized powers and it is now not a surprise if some of us look at the nature of the Universe in purely deterministic and stochastic terms. After all, we feel helpless. We can hardly do anything that would change the course of mankind. As individuals, we are part of a massive machine and we can hardly do anything that would substantially change the course of our own life. And yet, the world was not devoid of choice for humans before we got on this path. And our ancestors exercised their choice. Having choice doesn’t mean having absolute power and control. We still operate in a world that marches to its own rhythms, rhythms spoken for a long time before we arrived on the planet, and yet we have opportunities to choose within that overall framework, a framework undoubtedly circumscribed by nature’s laws, not all of which we seem to understand. If we choose to live in what we think of as a deterministic world, that’s our choice. We perceive it as such and we act accordingly. We need to consider the possibility that the Universe has firm and fixed laws and yet allows its participants to navigate it by being at choice moment to moment.

    I believe it’s disingenuous to claim that indigenous people “would” have if they “could” have… that they “would” have exploded into cancerous growth if they “could” have figured out how to work with petroleum and Uranium. Why, the sheer amount of animals and birds around them alone would have supported a much larger population than they ever reached.

    It’s unfortunate that the work of revisionist anthropologists like Marshall Sahlins and researchers such as Daniel Quinn hasn’t made inroads into our consciousness as much as it should have, given where we are on the historic timeline.

    Some good reading on The Great Forgetting: http://www.davidsheen.com/b/b1.htm

    An excerpt:

    “Man was NOT born a few thousand years ago and he was NOT born a scourge. Man was born MILLIONS of years ago, and he was no more a scourge than hawks or lions or squids. He lived AT PEACE with the world . . . for MILLIONS of years. This doesn’t mean he was a saint. This doesn’t mean that he walked the Earth like a Buddha. It means he lived as harmlessly as a hyena or a shark or a rattlesnake. It’s not MAN who is the scourge of the world, it’s a single culture out of hundreds of thousands of cultures. OUR culture.”


  • I highly appreciate that the wise Doctor Guy McPherson does not talk to me, because the wise silence translates to me to the following:

    ” Nemesis, you don’t need me to see the truth, you don’t need any professorism or scientificism, scientificists to see reality! Just trust in yourself like you always did. You realized the outcome of Empire some 30 years ago already and lived accordingly, you freed yourself from all that Empire brainwash shit a long time ago already. You did never go to university, you left home, when you were 13 years old, you quit Empire school when you were 15 years old and you always lived a FREE life all your life, long before I did^^ So why do ask me about anything ?! I can’t teach you anything that hasn’t been said by millions of wise teachers throughout human history anyway. Just go on trusting in yourself, trust in your very own intelligence and free will like you always did.”

    And I say thank you for your wise and timesaving silence. Yes, you are right, Doctor Guy McPherson, I really don’t need you for anything at all. You know, the teacher I had during my whole life, teaches me through silence perfectly day in day out. I just live a life of Music, joy and freedom, just because I want to.

    ” The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.”

    – Friedrich Nietzsche

    ” He who would learn to fly one day must first learn to stand and walk and run and climb and dance; one cannot fly into flying.”

    – Friedrich Nietzsche

    ” I have learned to walk: since then I have run. I have learned to fly: since then I do not have to be pushed in order to move.

    Now I am nimble, now I fly, now I see myself under myself, now a god dances within me.”

    – Friedrich Nietzsche, Thus Spoke Zarathustra


  • A new slant on methane:

    ‘1250ppb is where the amount of heat captured or absorbed by the greenhouse gas methane equals the amount of heat that dissipates into space. 1250ppb is the stable balanced level.

    More than 1250 ppb and methane builds up more heat than what dissipates. Over 1250 ppb and earth heats up.’

    http://robinwestenra.blogspot.co.nz/2016/05/carbon-monoxide-emissions-from-siberian.html

    ………………………………………………

    Daily CO2

    May 25, 2016: 408.09 ppm

    May 25, 2015: 403.30 ppm

    Up 4.79 ppm

    http://www.co2.earth/daily-co2

    Over 320 ppm the Earth heats up.

  • Generals Daryl & Daryl memorialize the War on Bugs (The Peak of Antibiotic Validity – 2).


  • A strange thing, that antibiotic crisis. I avoid doctors like Hell. The last time I consulted a doctor is many, many years ago. I don’t trust doctors at all. They are like lawyers, always after funny money. I can’t remember exactly, when I used some antibiotica, but it’s at least 20 years ago. And I never take any vaccination. All people I know got influenza at least once or twice a year. Most people run to the drugstore, when they got influenza, because you can get many, many “beautiful” shit at the drugstore, pills and balms and tinctures and all that funny shit for lots of funny money. I never go to any drugstore. So, I swear, I almost never got any influenca, the last one is roughly 10 years ago, but I always beared it without any doctor, without any pills, without any antibiotica and shit. After all, the latin term “anti- bio– tica” translates exactly to “anti- life“. I trust in what my grandma always said:

    ” A joint once a day keeps the doctor away.”

  • Thank you Satish.

    I recognize of course, Paul, that your metaphor is extreme; however, it is poetically just.

    Sad though that may be.

    I became interested in Biomimicry (biomimetics) years ago – you know where the finger pads of a gecko inspire the invention of velcro –

    http://biomimicry.net/inspiring/

    During the last two years as the final floors fell through I would occasionally engage in a thought experiment where i try to imagine/envision/imagineer a biomimetic human existence.

    Perhaps if everyone started a garden – no more lawns.

    Our culture seems incapable – we just leave a trail of refuse behind us no matter what activities we engage in.

    Under the post for this song on youtube, the person has written: This song was recorded nearly 40 years ago & nothing has changed. That is something to be VERY ashamed of.

    That was 1971 – 45 years now.

  • I’ve posted a gues essay and additional material. It’s all here.

  • My opinion on why indigenous peoples didn’t adopt the widespread use of fossil fuels is twofold: population densities were low enough to make wood and dung better/easier-to-manage fuels for space heating and cooking; and they didn’t have the required technological infrastructure available to convert the heat of combustion to mechanical energy.

    But I could be wrong.

  • Paul said:
    “population densities were low enough to make wood and dung better/easier-to-manage fuels for space heating and cooking”

    But why were the population densities so low? After all, they had tens of thousands of years to expand and make full use of their biospheres.

    I believe that they made a conscious decision to keep to their low numbers. They might very well have had stories and allegories and metaphors to encourage the continuation of their low footprint.

    It does seem like we don’t have free will at this point. Our freedoms have been largely usurped by the machine at the helm of which sit a small number of people who pull the strings. The world is largely centralized and what happens to us is dictated by people on the other side of the planet or across the country. Under these circumstances, a deterministic worldview might bring us some comfort and solace but we would be remiss to project our situation backward in time and assume our ancestors were subject to the same conditions. Tribal life was free of interference by neighboring tribes when it comes to the most important decisions they took in their lives, their customs and traditions and worldviews. Although the individual put the interests of the tribe ahead of his own, he didn’t feel he was sacrificing anything, for family was him and he was family. There was no distinction. They didn’t have anyone sitting a mile away ruling their lives. They ruled themselves. There were rules but no rulers. Being Chief was about responsibility and obligation and if he lost respect among his people, no one listened to him. Under these circumstances, people had a lot more freedom of choice than we have today, despite us calling ourselves free individuals. It’s ironic that we think of ourselves as emancipated and free individuals and yet our freedoms are that much more restricted to the point that a deterministic worldview where we look at ourselves as cogs in a machine sounds just about right.

    When we project backward in time, we begin to see our ancestors as cogs in a machine too… and it leads to the “if they could have they would have” assertions.

    “and they didn’t have the required technological infrastructure available to convert the heat of combustion to mechanical energy.”

    They chose to maintain a largely natural lifestyle. They chose not to disturb their land and they were cautious of anything new they tried. Technology is antithetical to that way of life. Technology necessitates manipulation of the environment. They were loathe to do that. It’s no accident then that they didn’t have the technology we have. They chose not to go there. That’s how they lived in balance successfully for all that time.

    The metaphoric cancer started out by us beginning to forget how to listen, how to be in balance. One indigenous tribe stopped being indigenous and started running amok. We don’t seem to understand why exactly this happened. We can perhaps say that given enough time, it was bound to happen. I am not sure. But I am sure there is much to learn from the thousands of other tribes that stayed in balance. And continue to stay in balance where ever they exist.

  • .
    Hahaha, Nem, how do you put it … you “nail it down … SIR !” You did quite a few time in your last few comments. I agree with you about doctorism, and could tell an identical story about NOT using them, or drugstores either. Same as you … I just don’t get sick. And also like you, I wonder why all the people who are into their bankapharmadoctorism, how come they are the ones always getting sick? Maybe it’s all in their heads … and those flu shots probably. Maybe the flu shot gets into their heads, lol. I don’t get the flu very often, maybe only twice a decade. And then I can usually identify it as being partially my causation anyway, so I correct for it. High five Nem. Do$tors !

    And when you said this, you really cracked me up …

    (Wanda) ” we are here to WORK OUT OUR IDEAS AND SEE WHAT COMES OF IT… ”

    (Nemesis) If so, that would be fine! But a lot of people here just can’t await their very own extinction and the the extinction of all human beings. That is SICK, that is selfhatred and the sick wish, to commit extended suicide. Some folks here on NBL appear to be just losers and they just hate all people, themselves included.

    Yes Nerm, I laughed when I read that line. Funny. I think there may be a few really old people, who feel entitled to seeing a really big show before they kick off, and so they demand that this all ‘happen’ really, really soon … so they don’t miss anything. You know how entitlement goes, lol. Hope … hoping for it. Before they die … or maybe as a way to die. Well fuck hope, right? I thought they say that here … that hope is like your woo woo, lol. Well then, quit hoping for suicide, that’s what I hear you saying there Nem. Because that’s just a hope, so it’s just playing with your woo woo. Didn’t I talk about that already? Anyway Nem, I chuckled at what you said there … (grinning, grinning, always grinning that teacher of yours.)

    Has anyone ever done the math to see how population projects out if a population all dies at 45? How about at 55? Hanging on forever past productiveness has probably been another bad thought that we had; we invented quite a few technologies to try and extend life far past it’s usefulness. It may have been an obvious choice, but it probably wasn’t a very helpful one to us on the whole as a species, not in terms of consumption of resources.

    .

    Robin Datta and Henry Holt had some great comments. I appreciated your words. Henry, I think people in the AA program learn that you can shift your mind over from ONLY reacting using one typical pattern (habit): the habit of reacting about yesterday, and then using that REACTION as a plan for tomorrow. The program points out how you can, instead, choose to shift over into just living in the present moment, as an alternative choice of perspective. Having an alternative point of view just broadens the perspective, it brings addition data points into a person’s observations of their environment.

    Logic nuts sometimes roll their eyes at this proposition, but it’s funny how being angry about yesterday, and turning that reaction into fear based planning for an imagined tomorrow, seems to be the very thinking pattern that sunk us here in the anthropocene. Anyway, I’m agreeing with you Henry, one day at a time. Maybe that’s the thinking style that helped us out over the last 200, 000 years, before we went all wacky in the last 1000 (sort of like Satish was saying.)

    Anyway Henry, one sax note at a time brother, be in the moment with it, right ? … no thinking about your financial situation while you’re supposed to be blowing tones on the gig, lol. I’ve linked a video below with a musician joke in it for you Henry. I like musician jokes. 🙂

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    It’s not 27C (80F) here anymore. It’s been more like a normal spring suddenly here in my area … cool and damp conditions now for a week. It’s great … it’s nice to see at least a few normal days of weather each year. Ha, old school weather ! We’ll take it, we needed the moisture.

    Apneaman says “we’re back”, referring to himself like he was multiple people. Every one here is so funny. Yuk yuk yuk. Jum jum jum.

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    Not sure if you know who Mr. Rogers is Henry, but this is that old musician joke. It’s from a national lampoon record made in the 1970’s.

  • Satish, the plain fact is that we don’t have clue one about why people who lived 20,000 years ago did what they did, or even much of a clue about what they, in fact, did. That’s an great situation though, because it gives us a nice clean tabula rasa on which to project all our fears and desires, no matter what they might be. Our imaginations have free rein. Warlike? Peace-loving? Instinct-driven machines? Ecologically conscious free agents? Whatever you want, you got it, with no one who can gainsay you with any more authority than the tone of their voice.

    Figure out why hunter-foragers did what they did? Hell, we can’t even figure out why we do what we do. We blithely project our fears and desires onto moderns just like we do to the ancients.

    When we talk about things like this, we are really talking about ourselves, not them.

  • .
    There sure are a lot of people, living in our current time period, deciding exactly just how it “WASN’T” 20,000 years ago. They’re certain of it too, some of them. It’s a ‘negation limitation situation …’ A Reductionism schism. I think it was, not it wasn’t. I have evidences too. Just like the wuzzencers do. 😉

  • Have you seen this? I’d be interested in reading your comments in an essay.