Edge of Extinction: They Can Jump, But They Can’t Jump Rope

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  • In the Pamir Mountains of Central Asia, time has stopped working.

    Communities in the region traditionally kept time by pegging it to environmental markers, such as melting snow or the first appearance of a migratory bird. But these “ecological calendars” have ceased to function properly due to the effects of climate change.

    An array of environmental shifts in the region, such as unusual weather events, untimely glacial melts, lake bursts, and changes in animal and bird migration patterns, have thrown the calendars so far off kilter that most villagers no longer use them, and they struggle to reliably predict cues for planning agricultural and cultural activities.

    Best Wishes

  • I just finished reading The Worm at The Core, On the Role of Death In Life, 2015, by psychologists Sheldon Solomon, Jeff Greenberg, and Tom Pyszczynski. A few paragraphs regarding two archeological sites in southeastern Turkey, Göbekli Tepe and Ḉatalhöyük:

    “Some twelve thousand years ago [well before the invention of agriculture and about 2,000 years after hunter-gatherers moved into North and South America], HUNTER-GATHERERS erected seven concentric stone circles on a hill. …twenty T-shaped limestone pillars measuring between thirty and a hundred feet tall. The structures predate the wheel and even agriculture.” Seven paragraphs just a little later in the book:

    “After studying the site, and given the glaring absence of evidence of agriculture or living residents at Göbekli Tepe, German archaeologist Klaus Schmidt proposed that it was the center of a death cult, with the departed laid to rest among the gods and afterlife spirits and the animals carved on the pillars to protect them. ‘FIRST CAME THE TEMPLE,’ Schmidt concluded, ‘THEN CAME THE CITY.’ [Emphasis mine.] Scientists had previously assumed the march of human progress was based on procuring food: we evolved from hunter-gatherers into farmers, domesticating plants and animals along the way and then building towns and cities around our collective farms. The discovery of Göbekli Tepe cast doubt on that assumption, suggesting that the problem of death motivated architectural advances that had nothing to do with practical concerns. These religious monuments predated agriculture and may have even helped stimulate its development. [Archaeologists indicate that at least 500 people would have built the Göbekli Tepe site.]

    Another nearby archaeological site called Ḉatalhöyük adds further support for this view. Research indicates that approximately ten thousand people occupied the site nine thousand years ago, a thousand years before the first evidence of domestic agriculture. The residents of Ḉatalhöyük lived in meticulously clean mud-brick houses clustered together in apartment-like honeycombs. They had some interesting funerary customs. Anthropologists found decapitated skeletons; the skulls were again painted with ochre. Also interesting was the presence of carved vultures, which also appear prominently in the carvings at Göbekli Tepe.

    All of this is clearly at odds with the widely held view that human beings’ transition from small bands of seminomadic hunter-gatherers to larger groups of permanent town dwellers resulted from the advent of agriculture. As Schmidt suspects, it may well have been the reverse. Living in and around monuments constructed for ritual and religious purposes may have encouraged people to learn to farm, which would not have occurred as readily if they had continued to maintain a more nomadic lifestyle.

    Alternatively, agriculture may have arisen, or been abetted, as an unintended consequence of burial practices. By this account, advanced by science writer and novelist Grant Allen in his 1897 The Evolution of the Idea of God, digging graves tilled the soil and got rid of weeds. Burying the best grains (along with other grave goods) with the corpses was THE FIRST PLANTING OF SEEDS [my emphasis]; the decaying flesh may incidentally have provided fertilizing nutrients for the seeds. When new plants grew on the grave site the next year, people likely attributed their good fortune to the goodwill of their ancestors or the gods whom they were believed to be dwelling. Eventually they would have figured out that seeds, sans corpse, would suffice to grow food.

    The existing evidence strongly suggests that rituals surrounding death and afterlife led to large gathers of people and impressive technological developments that contributed both to farming and to other cultural advances that follow from the development of larger settlements and a less nomadic lifestyle.”

    A summary a little later: “Indeed, all human societies, even the most primitive and technologically impoverished ones, have sophisticated creation myths, ideas about the structure of the universe, and explanations for what happens after death. …Myths provide the narrative justification for rituals and, embellished by art, form religion, which serves to regulate all aspects of social behavior. Religions delineate how we should interact with and treat each other by providing a purposeful, moral conception of a life in which individual’s souls can exist beyond their physical death. And religion gave our ancestors—as it gives us—a sense of community and shared reality, a world-view, without which coordinated and cooperative activities in large groups of humans would be difficult, if not impossible, to sustain.

    Sociologist Emile Durkheim and evolutionary biologist David Sloan Wilson argue that the only reason religion originated and flourished was that it fostered social cohesion and coordination. Summarizing this view, science writer Nicholas Wade asserts that ‘religious behavior evolved for a single reason: to further the survival of human societies.’ While religious provided such benefits by shoring up extant social structures and interpersonal bonds, we believe it was their psychological appeal that enabled them to serve as social glue in the first place. In short, these spiritual belief systems thrived because they quell existential terror and we will present evidence in support of this claim in the next chapter.”

    Notice these important implications of these paragraphs:

    (1) A high probability exists that religious, dualist thinking among early humans as a defense against the terror of death fundamentally drove the development of agriculture and cities by requiring agricultural practices in order to support mass religious/spiritual and architectural practices such as constructing the pillars at Göbekli Tepe, Ḉatalhöyük, and surely other places hunter-gatherers inhabited as well, as they spread across the planet over tens of thousands of years. It seems quite ironic, given much of the argumentation here, that the same subjective, personal experience-based, free-wheeling, dualist thinking so often and so strongly expressed by many commenters here at NBL—and to the best of our knowledge extremely common among all human cultures throughout our evolutionary history—quite likely for the most part motivated our Earth-killing tendencies throughout our history as a species at an ever-increasing pace as we gained more access to energy sources over time to power our technologies from the oldest and simplest to the newest and most complex.

    (2) Even though we find these sites in Europe, this evidence tends to clash quite dramatically with oldgrowthforest’s June 5th, 2016 at 12:52 pm claim that, supposedly, “Native Americans didn’t have organized religion at all.” As Solomon, Greenberg, and Pyszczynski emphasize, “…all human societies, even the most primitive and technologically impoverished ones, have sophisticated creation myths, ideas about the structure of the universe, and explanations for what happens after death. …Myths provide the narrative justification for rituals and, embellished by art, form religion, which serves to regulate all aspects of social behavior.” Native Americans supposedly did not? Hmmm. Who should I trust and believe regarding these things? Whose evidence and reasoning will I consider most reliable and most trustworthy, especially given that no one really knows “The Truth” about anything? Should I trust and believe the obviously very strongly, emotionally biased reasoning of oldgrowthforest, LWA, Shep, Satish, and similar-thinking others who often band together to attack and bully anyone who disagrees with them—including not only commenters, but also archaeologists, anthropologists, primatologists, sociologists, and other researchers prominent in their fields? Or should I trust and believe the anthropologists, archaeologists, primatologists, sociologists, and others, who dedicate their lives to studying these questions in the broadest, least biased ways possible, based on the best, most painstakingly gained evidence available, with peer review and open argumentation about the evidence, and who change their models, their hypotheses, and sometimes even their well-proven theories, based on the ever-changing evidence and reasoning about it?

    (3) Directly related to this, regarding Derrick Jensen’s most recently published book, The Myth of Human Supremacism, I ask, What has most importantly driven the human supremacist thinking and behaviors over many tens of thousands of years that he describes so well? As discussed by Solomon, Greenberg, Pyszczynski, and others, large and compelling amounts of archaeological, anthropological, psychological, and other evidence strongly suggests that thoughts and emotions related to death-related terror have for the most part driven our human supremacist thinking tendencies. That holds as true today as it appears to have held true throughout most if not all of our approximate 200,000 years as a species in most human cultures most of the time around the planet, based on the most up-to-date evidence available. (Not necessarily all cultures, in all places, at all times; some exceptions certainly may have occurred for different lengths of time in some places.)

    As Solomon, Greenberg, and Pyszczynski explain, hundreds of psychological studies related to human terror of death over about 25 years demonstrate two vital, psychological resources that essentially all humans use: (1) We cling to and need to sustain faith in our cultural worldview, which gives our sense of reality order, meaning, and permanence. Our governmental, educational, and religious institutions and rituals buttress our view of human life. (2) We rely heavily on a feeling of personal significance commonly known as self-esteem. Subsequently, hundreds of experiments demonstrate that reminders of death, even unconscious, subliminal reminders, consistently cause us more strongly to cling to our cultural world views and to protect our self-esteem.

    Notice these three points regarding all of this: (1) The two vital psychological resources that we depend on (our cultural worldview and self-esteem) suggest that it becomes especially important for a commenting site such as this to have clear, well enforced rules for posting in order to minimize the negative effects that tend strongly to occur related to the effects of reminders of death on people’s worldview and self-esteem. Because of the powerful near-term human extinction (NTHE) death theme, an anarchist approach will tend especially strongly to bring out the worst in people—just as experience at NBL demonstrates. (2) All of this (all much more fully developed in The Worm at the Core, of course) largely explains most people’s strong resistance to acknowledging and accepting the high probability of NTHE. How so? Realizing the high probability of pending NTHE points to and emphasizes the meaninglessness of the many symbolic ways we humans have for believing that we can experience immortality. Many studies demonstrate that most of us very strongly wish to believe that we can live forever, and our symbolic rituals reinforce these beliefs. The idea of the high probability of NTHE severely clashes with this deep, usually unconscious wish. Given the terror of dying so common among humans throughout our history as a species, no wonder accepting the high probability of NTHE has such power and elicits such strong avoidance and denial for most of us most of the time! And, (3) even though it may feel cathartically and self-righteously good to do so, it does not make much rational, emotional, or practical sense to blame, scapegoat, and rage against the most recent humans who have continued and turbocharged these ultimately Earth-killing, long-term, global, evolutionary processes through access to the additional energy provided first by agriculture, and then by fossil and nuclear fuels. Work like hell to change things for the better for all life on Earth based on our vastly greater and deeper knowledge and understanding during our few remaining days? Certainly! Blame, scape goat, and rage? Well, if one wishes to spend the little time that they have left in those ways, by all means have at it. In the not-so-distant future we will all end up just as dead, and with no one remembering us or caring about us.

    The comments above briefly summarize some of the most important psychological research-based principles described in The Worm at the Core as they relate to NTHE. Meanwhile, as well demonstrated by many commenters here and most people more generally, most people most of the time will accept only evidence that supports their favorite beliefs—the conceptual models that they have constructed of how the world works for them. Regarding scientific evidence, they often adopt a convenient, scientific double standard with which they focus exclusively on and magnify evidence that supports their favorite, self-soothing beliefs while avoiding, denying, and minimizing any evidence that fails to support their conceptual models. Humans find it deeply disturbing to have their fundamental beliefs called into question. Take our meanings and purposes away, characterize them as juvenile, useless, or evil, and we have remaining only ourselves as vulnerable, physical creatures just like all the other animals around us. Because cultural conceptions of reality keep a lid on our mortal dread, acknowledging the legitimacy of beliefs contrary to our own unleashes the terror that those beliefs serve to soothe. So we feel compelled to parry such threats by derogating and dehumanizing those with alternative views of life, attempting to force them to adopt our beliefs and to adapt aspects of their cultures into our own—or by obliterating them entirely.

    This roughly describes how a competent, natural scientific approach differs so dramatically from the reasoning that historically preceded it and that remains most common by far by most people most of the time today: A competent scientist works very hard to change his or her conceptual models or “maps” based on the nature of the territory, the quantity and quality of the evidence available. Other people, on the other hand, much more often avoid, distort, or deny any evidence and reasoning based on it that fails to support their favorite beliefs about how the world supposedly works—especially regarding their place in it. While often confusing their conceptual language symbols and models with reality, they work extremely hard to change the territory, the evidence, to fit their conceptual map of the territory. As needed, and as often argued by many commenters here at NBL, they fluently attribute any unwanted territory/map mismatch to “communist propaganda”, “God”, “the devil”, “angels”, a “non-physical consciousness”, “souls”, or any one or combination of an infinite number of other alleged non-physical forces or entities supposedly at work in the universe, thus making it work as they subjectively and narcissistically insist that it must. “Nature fairies”, “devas”, “other spiritual realms”, angels, devils, “higher octaves of the human evolution”, “quantum consciousness”, and so on, and on, and on, conveniently explain any unanswered questions with no confirmable evidence or logically consistent reasoning about it needed or required. By invoking these and other alleged related processes, we supposedly “create conduits of energy from their non-physical realms into the physical world”. Thus, confirmable evidence conveniently has little or no relevance, and it has nothing to do with any “good” fundamentalist’s, obsessive’s, dualist’s, or narcissist’s beliefs. One hundred percent of the world’s scientists could agree on X and that would not stop any good fundamentalist, obsessive, dualist, or narcissist worthy of the classification from continuing fervently to believe its opposite, Y. Indeed, like trying to nail a blob of mercury to the wall, this characteristically fluid, adaptive, double-standard reasoning and valuing largely serves to identify fundamentalist, obsessive, dualist, and narcissistic behavior in general. Like mercury, the thinking appears to hold together in consistent ways, but then in the face of disconfirming evidence and reasoning it readily breaks apart and then reforms “as needed”.

    Thus humans have slowly and inevitably, building with ever greater speed and momentum over tens of thousands of years by gaining access to more and more dense energy sources, constructed our irreversible, Earth-killing self-annihilation trap with its very high probability of near-term human extinction, along with the extinction of much if not all other life on Earth. Contrary to much extremely popular death-denying human supremacist reasoning and valuing, no known law of nature suggests that this supposedly “must not” or “should not” have happened. Indeed, it has happened many millions of times on Earth over evolutionary history as various life form populations have temporarily gained access to needed energy and matter, grown (sometimes significantly changing all of the planetary biomes in the process), and then collapsed, often going extinct. Just like all other life on Earth, we humans live, we all will die, and we will become extinct—probably quite soon. Would it make sense for a population of bacteria on a Petri disk, or fish in a lake, to rage against these existential, physical/biological death and extinction realities? Fight like hell for life? Certainly! Make oneself and others miserable with rage against the death and extinction realities? I don’t think so. But of course many people will disagree with me—and at least some with rage.

    oldgrowthforest,

    June 7th, 2016 at 2:23 pm you wrote “I will simply state that it is a strawman argument. It is an overly general, to the point of meaningless, state about ‘environmental sentiment’ (that’s an ad hominem, inferring there is nothing to environmentalism other than that low-minded and maudlin sentiment).”

    Ahh, no. I don’t think so. Other than making the common error of writing infer when you meant imply (to infer means to draw a conclusion; to imply means stating or expressing indirectly), clearly, you still do not understand the nature of an ad hominem attack. We make an ad hominem attack on a living PERSON, their personality and global character, not on an abstract, symbolic idea. For example, I would not make an ad hominem attack on you if I wrote “I consider what you wrote a stupid, moronic argument and I strongly disagree with it.” On the other hand, it would amount to an abusive, ad hominem attack on you if I wrote something like “You are a stupid moron to write something as ridiculous as this.”

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    @Guy

    I agree with your new Edge of Extinction message entirely, except for one part at the at the end where you say you suspect climate scientists just don’t have the required insight of a biologist or ecologists, and are therefore not calculating the consequences properly. While that certainly could play into things and certainly could have a contributing influence, I think there are also other factors at play as to why climate scientists not can’t – but won’t – jump rope. I think social influences can work to suppress what ought to be obvious to all people by now (and not just climate scientists.)

    What social influences could male a person refuse to jump rope and instead lead them to rationalize their way out of saying or even seeing something? How about … losing a job, which might mean losing access to your kids when the wife leaves because you can’t keep a paycheck rolling in? How about … fear of reprisal and persecution, either socially from friends or family, or from powerful people who don’t like those conclusions being expressed? Fear of reprisal can make people do all sorts of crazy things. A person may even calculate that losing their job might disadvantage their own ability to surf events that are unfolding, so they pull back from what could potentially lose them that position or paycheck. Some might calculate that it’s better to still have at least some voice, some sort of influence … than it is to be marginalized and silenced. Some people just tow the party line no matter what … group think.

    These are just a few examples of many describing how and why people can be uncontrollably influenced to do – or not do – even the craziest of things … it’s just how our culture operates psychologically. I wanted to point out that it might not be that they don’t ‘see it’ … it might be that they just won’t ‘say it.’ It isn’t necessarily always about a deficiency in knowledge or awareness, but can also be a calculated and conscious suppression of the obvious. It’s denial. Everywhere I go I see people who know things … but just won’t go there. They could jump rope if they wanted to, but they just won’t (and therefore don’t.)

    Thanks for the new vid.

    Thanks for the John Denver baba … I love that fellow.

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  • Good point, Guy, climate scientists, like scientists in general in our society, are specialized, often over-specialized, conditioned to not venture beyond their narrow field, and hence don’t put stuff together, at least not on their own.

    But LWA is right as well, social influences. A big one i’d like to add is funding. Can’t get the grants if you start talking too much or writing too much about full implications. after all the people with the dough have stakes in perpetuating the status quo. It’s usually not at the level of “survival,” i.e. funding or else living on the street, but of maintaining comfortable lifestyles. And their desires and aspirations are usually set by the time they graduate college to be along the lines of these comfortable lifestyles. Tied in with that is “recognition” and “prestige,” a desire to be well-known in their field, and too much controversy doesn’t cut it regarding such hopes, as their colleagues will not grant them full recognition if they are too controversial. Having been inside the beast, i have this happen all too often, and the ones who step out of line pay dearly for speaking out and stepping out of the narrow lines drawn for their potential career paths.

  • the Arctic Sea Ice, looks to be in an all out meltdown spiral, and so like one of the planes that have gone down lately, never to be found as like humanity soon, it will be lost in the ocean of the cosmos, sinking to the bottom, lost, only love floats, and maybe some slime mold

  • Thank you for the clarification on infer and imply, Bud.

    I think you don’t understand ad hominem. It is a tactic of argument. While the definition of ad hominem is an argument directed against “a person,” you are limiting the concept to known individual persons. Another definition of ad hominem is the essence of its intent – “appealing to one’s prejudices, emotions, or special interests rather than to one’s intellect or reason.” Random House

    The statement, “Implicit in much, if not all, modern environmental sentiment” seeks to define environmentalists, and for the record environmental science, as a “modern sentiment.” This is not honest in the least.

    I stand by my comment, and by the definition I provided above, the statement I refer to is absolutely a statement intended to appeal to prejudices, emotions and special interests.

    Bud, you fall so short so very often. I’m going back to shunning you now, Bud. Bye.

  • about comments on dying trees in the precedent thread: “Vehicle exhausts spew out oxides of nitrogen and hydrocarbons which include cancer-inducing chemicals. Diesel is particularly rich in such pollution. Together in the air, these chemicals react in sunlight to form ozone, a substance which is essential outside the atmosphere where it protects the earth from harmful ultra-violet rays. Inside the atmosphere, however, it is a pollutant which eats through leaf-cell walls, making them permeable to acidic rainfall, and leaching out key nutrients. Ozone also attacks the lungs of mammals and birds. The American bald eagle used as a mascot at the Los Angeles Olympics died from lung disease caused by air pollution.”
    retreived from http://witsendnj.blogspot.ca/2016/04/earth-embalmed.html

  • And because I wasn’t just absolutely crystal clear regarding why my use of ad hominem is correct, I add it is not necessary to identify a specific individual in order to issue an ad hominem attack. You can issue an ad hominem attack against a group of people in the exact same way that you can an individual. That’s what the statement does that I say is ad hominem. It attacks a group of people – a very general group, at that = by reducing all environmental arguments to “modern sentiment.” The attack does not address any specific arguments at all. It just characterizes all environmental arguments as “modern sentiment.” That is ad hominem at its core.

    Now, bye, Bud.

  • From the previous thread…

    LWA

    Your refutation to babajingo on the article he posted(which I didn’t read yet) was great. Copied it so my Year 11’s (17 y/o’s) at school can understand the basics. Slick critique in the vernacular…thanks!

    Feed Jake, tinywhitey, Gerald Spezio

    You folk are priceless.

    After others bagging out NBL, I reckon this exchange, and this thread perhaps too, (minus some obligatory bickering), beats any prime time TV segment for ‘attention-to-the-relevant-details’- even…errr…dare I write….the Zombie apocalypse, and/or disaster footage of floods and fire and storm damage we see now and can set out reductionist material timepieces by.

    People knock NBL, but it is not a bad place to view the rising waters, a beach rapidly disappearing.

    BTW the word ‘disappearing’ is a very ‘interesting’ word. An emergence going backwards…?

    I would suggest this in NOT an apt description of Humans, but that we are at the bottleneck with an oversupply of the means of manufacturing adolescent psychology per capita of all humans on Earth…..errr…regulars will recognise a rant starting, but I’ll refrain.

    We all get the picture now that the flood has begun, now the Greatest is Dead, (RIP Ali man).

    I am supposing if any enterprising nerd out there wants to make a fast buck, apart from our friend Dimitri O, they should start ripping out easy DIY plans for an individualists equivalent of Noah’s Ark.

    Just a PDF with specs and a materials list, (scavengable materials would be good), going @ 1 credit a pop. Your rich as the tide comes in…and becomes the new shoreline.

    For some light reading on the beach, a recent article:

    ‘Zombie trouble: Zombie texts, bare life and displaced people’

    http://www.thing.net/~rdom/ucsd/Zombies/Zombie%20trouble%20Zombie%20texts,%20bare%20life%20and%20displaced%20people.pdf

    The Abstract:

    “There has been a recent upsurge in texts featuring zombies. At the same time, members of western countries have become increasingly anxious about displaced peoples: asylum-seekers and other so-called illegal migrants who attempt to enter those countries. What displaced people, people without the protection of the state and zombies have in common is that both manifest the quality of what Giorgio Agamben calls ‘bare life’. Moreover, zombies have the qualities of workers or slaves driven to total exhaustion. The genre of the zombie apocalypse centres on laying siege to a place that is identified as a refuge for a group of humans. In these texts it is possible to read an equation of zombies with displaced people who are ‘threatening’ the state. Indeed, the rhetoric used to describe these people constructs them as similar to mythical zombies. This article includes analyses of a number of zombie films including Shaun of the Dead, Fido and Undead.”

    This is one for the American North:

    ‘Z Nation Official Trailer (HD)’

    I spent some official down time, off the reservation and watched the whole series in a few days, (as I DIDN”T write a long essay), and the show well describes the intent of the article above. My critique before I read the article was that the ‘Zombie’. placed in the contemporary apocalyptic scenario. is an abstract representation of what is described more graphically in its cultural transition phase in ‘The Road’- that is, the apocalyptic Zombie is symbolic of late capitalism’s citizen exploiting (read ‘eating’) in a mindless process, without recognition of any wrongdoing, harm, or even human emotion.

    The apocalyptic Zombie sees other humans, (who are still emotionally able to relate as sovereign empathetic sentients) , as food !

    This is the endgame of rats overpopulating the small cage.

    Resonances with ‘Soylent Green’ of the 70’s, which was a sly way of saying the first world was eating the others.

    I like in ‘The Road’ the metaphor of the fire, or more specifically ‘carrying the fire’, which seems the most poetic reduction of a pre Civ and proto hominid image, which itself carries all the weight as a symbol of all the ‘great stuff humans can be’ within it.
    I like it because it is so very undefined, but also in context of the action,(book and movie), it is used as a means for the man, born into one time and place undergoing the contemporary ‘fall from grace of the civilisation project’, to communicate to a child, who never new that past, what is the valued thing to be a human. It is also demonstrated as a moral choice…to eat or not to eat?

    I saw it very much as a critique of modernity, and perhaps Civ, as far back as exploitation of ‘others’ goes, which is as far back as the construction of ‘other’ goes too.

    Apocalyptic Zombies also never stop, except by the ‘head shot’, which is also perhaps a metaphor for how conditioned ‘exploiting anything that has life’ has become, the neurological mechanism that keeps the body going has to be neutralised, for reasoning does not work.

    After reading the article, this critique has not changed much, but it strengthens the sociological idea of a fear of displaced, people coming to the ‘green-fields’ neighbourhood.

    Alien, the movie also circles the same subject matter, get infected, the heart dies as the new life form emerges, which has only survival as its core practice, and the senses, (the face hugger implants the seed) are the way modernity gets access to the heart region, and eats away at the spiritual, empathetic center of being human.

    The pioneer settlers, (terraformers), are archetypal consumers, as they are the generation to accept the terms, like it or not, to do as programmed and go out and change the world for the next group of consumers coming behind.

    Gruesome is the human imagination, but also so well adapted to saying so much, in such short stories.

    Cheers Folks.

    Can’t beat NBL.

    🙂

  • .
    Bud’s utter inability to become aware of how his theories and mental models are only just that … theories and abstract mental models … makes him incorrigible. Also, his habit of taking one very bad example of the worst possible spiritual paths – American fundamentalist Christians – and then using that as a red herring to slur all OTHER historical examples of spiritual self inquiry that ever exist or existed … is an example of an ad hominem argument. Bud almost always argues using ad hominem logical fallacies as he forms his diatribes. I find it fascinating and also instructive to see him project his own behavior onto other people with such voracity.

    Nice theory you believe in there Bud. Congratulations on your beliefs. The scientists who vehemently opposed Darwin’s theories for physical adaptation also had a theory they liked better than his, and they had decades of evidences in hand to prove they’re theories correct too, just like you Bud … centuries of physical and observational evidences. But in the end, theirs were just mental theories. Just meandering thoughts … and not a reflection of anything real at all. Those scientists just held a currently popular (and well intellectually rationalized) belief … just like you do Bud, with your currently held religious like beliefs. Your ad hominem arguments don’t change the fact that your theory is also just a belief and a conviction. You’re stuck in blame I think Bud. I wish you could find some peace. Maybe a song will help …

    P.S. Thanks for the James Taylor Henry Holt, I love that fellow too.

    And thanks for the hat tip OzMan … also for your reflections on the zombie phenomenon. I’ve done some pondering on the zombie phenomenon too, and what it might mean that this symbolism has arisen out of our subconscious and reflected itself in those movies. I sometimes feel like I live around a few zombies. 🙂

    Now here’s Bud’s song …

    .

  • Skeptic’s as optimists?
    Good for a laugh:
    http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-too-hard.htm

  • Daily CO2

    June 7, 2016: 407.55 ppm

    June 7, 2015: 403.39 ppm

    Up 4.16 ppm

    The Arctic ice melt has slowed dramatically according to this:

    http://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/vishop-extent.html

    and this:

    https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charctic-interactive-sea-ice-graph/

    But northern summer has only just started, so who knows what will happen over the next 3 months.

    .

  • LWA

    No worries mate !/ luv!

    You wrote…

    ‘I sometimes feel like I live around a few zombies’

    Own the Zombie inside…we’ve all got a little zombie in there…or more accurately,

    We’ve all been a zombie sometime.

    Love the Mystic music.

    Here is the trailer missing from the post above:

    ‘Z Nation Official Trailer (HD)’

    Gruesome, sensational, gratuitous violence…and without real critique of the zombie slayers….but Cool.

    kevin moore

    Just waiting till Sept 4th…to see how low can it go…well to zero actually.

    Cheers bro.

    🙂

  • Amazing analogy ! One would think that experiences and memories of past are just happenings of haphazard circumstances and chance . But when you are becoming avare of yourself your environment and everithing else like NTHE . Thats when it all starts making sense . Like what was about that Individual not being able to jump rope .?! . In the end it will all make sense … Well for a selected few at least . I would like to take this even a bit further it will not only make sense it will also be like in this case a relevation or for others a meaninless memory ..heaven or hell
    “If the doors of perception were cleansed every thing would appear to man as it is, Infinite. For man has closed himself up, till he sees all things thro’ narrow chinks of his cavern.”

    ― William Blake, The Marriage of Heaven and Hell

  • ‘What is really discussed is how to take the existing trends in the world, some favorable, some undesired, and mold them in such a way as to create even more wealth for the world’s 0.01%, while perpetutating the existing system, one which even the IMF agrees is no longer working.’

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-08/bilderberg-2016-agenda-trump-brexit-migrants-riots

  • Thanks for the book information,Bud.It sounds to be worth reading.
    Thanks also for mentioning the importance of the role of energy in our predicament.This has been mentioned here before,but worth repeating.
    However they behaved,first society people were subject to the same energy
    constraints as other animals within the ecosystem they were part of.
    The flow of solar energy. It is not possible to support the current human population without the energy subsidy of fossil fuels.

    During most of the 50.000 years that they lived in Australia,the aborigines
    lived a life of abundance,where the food supply available to them was greater than that required to support their population.
    How is that possible? Australia has been subject to extended ,ENSO -related drought periods. The population during those drought periods
    reduced greatly,due to food shortages. When the drought ended, the food
    supply available for the population was plentiful,and allowed the population to again increase.
    Similar population fluctuations occur with other animal species,of course,and no doubt applied to other first society people around the world which were subject to occasional lengthy drought periods.
    For a more detailed discussion of the point above,see ‘The Future Eaters’ by Tim Flannery. The relevant chapter from that book is also
    repeated in ‘Limited Wants,Unlimited Means’,edited by John Gowdy.
    Flannery also refers to’Aboriginal Man and Environment in Australia’,which I haven’t read.

    I think Ernst Mayr’s statement that intelligence is a lethal mutation
    will prove to be correct. If our species did not have the intelligence
    to enable it to smelt metals, and eventually develop the technology that led to the exploitation of fossil fuels,would we be in our current predicament? Craig Dilworth’s thesis in ‘Too Smart for our own Good’is similar.

  • This might go towards explaining record high atmospheric CO2 and record year-on-year difference values.

    ‘World Sets Record For Fossil Fuel Consumption’

    http://robinwestenra.blogspot.co.nz/2016/06/a-record-world-fossil-fuel-consumption.html

  • Thanks LWA,into the mystic is one of my favorites and has been covered by so many in so many ways.

    I love the fragility in Willie Nelsons Voice in these.Sounds so human

    Thanks to all at N.B.L for posting here

  • Scientists have tunnel vision myopia combined with a laser focused one track mind. They are conservative enough within their field and super-ultra-maxi-conservative outside their field.

    Just like many of the crazy spiritualists and noble savages here who cannot tell the difference between spiritual awareness and their hormones. They are so horny, they think they “see” God.

    Religion was the first attempt to explain nature, science the second.

    The ability to write fluently, means you’re good at debate, not the truth.

    Cosmic minded, liberal spiritualists can’t jump rope.

    Small minded, conservative scientists can’t jump rope.

    I always hate reading Chris Hedges (wind bag).

    I usually hate listening to Noam Chomsky (wind bag).

    But for once, they got it right.

    http://www.filmsforaction.org/articles/noam-chomsky-has-never-seen-anything-like-this/

    As for the notion that you are not racist… LOL.

    That’s the same as the notion you are not a fool.

  • The mysterious Arctic Ice Extent (Arctic News).

    One mystery of water … thermal contraction or thermal expansion (The Warming Science Commentariat – 5).

  • I actually know nothing, but I think I know everything.

  • Robert Callaghan here is Hedges as “wind bag” to bad most of us will never be this windy.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAWMgYyAtHU

  • A smallish difference for a change.

    Daily CO2

    June 8, 2016: 406.32 ppm

    June 8, 2015: 403.52 ppm

    Up 2.80 ppm (still more than the 2005-2014 average).

  • @ Bud Nye
    
Your summation of The Worm at the Core is very intriguing. I have not read it but certainly will. The missing element in what I understand of this theory is the deathfear was embedded in the human consciousness by major cataclysms dating to the time of Göbekli Tepe and Ḉatalhöyük around 12,900 ybp and 11,500 ybp.

    (See: When the Earth Nearly Died: Compelling Evidence of a Catastrophic World Change 9500 B.C. by D.S. Allan, J.B. Delair (ISBN: 9781858600086)

    The Vela supernova ejected mass into our solar system and caused the 23.5º axial tilt of the Earth. Before then Man had not known seasons and the obsession with tracking the sun and stars was necessary to be able to secure food stores over the winter. This was only one of the cataclysms though; there is very good evidence of one or more cometary impacts in this time period, as well as massive solar outbursts.

    (See: MAGICIANS OF THE GODS: THE FORGOTTEN WISDOM OF EARTH’S LOST CIVILIZATION by Graham Hancock ISBN: 9781250118400, and
    Forgotten Civilization: The Role of Solar Outbursts in Our Past and Future by Robert M. Schoch ISBN 978-1-59477-497-3)

    The work of Randall Carlson clearly documents the geological evidence of major outflow floods as the climate warmed 13,000 ybp.

    These were the sources of the trauma that in carried in the unconscious which caused this deathfear, since they didn’t know when there would be another cataclysm, though several ancient myths and stories from many parts of the globe often suggest this time period. With our weakening magnetic field, we are at greater risk from solar outbursts.

    ANY cataclysm now that would interfere with cooling the 300,000 tons of nuclear waste stored at over 400 sites across the globe would be an ELE.

    Unfortunately the authors of “Worm” believe the myths of the Egyptians building the pyramids as tombs, and the totally farcical 9/11 suicide hijacker nonsense.

    “Over the course of human history,” they write, “the terror of death has guided the development of art, religion, language, economics and science. It raised the pyramids in Egypt and razed the Twin Towers in New York.”
    The book addresses the two pillars of terror management – cultural worldviews and self-esteem. To demonstrate how fears about death influence societal opinion, judges were prompted to set a bail figure nine times higher for a (putative) prostitute after being reminded of death. This, and substantial other evidence, suggests that reminders of death accentuate our negative feelings towards those who do not share our values. The closer our death fears are to the surface, the more we cleave to social norms – not necessarily those of wider society, but any group we have chosen to identify with (on this definition even support for, say, Islamic State, is an assertion of a “social norm” and therefore an extension of our “immortality projects”. Suicide bombers ultimately act out of fear of death.”

    Göbekli Tepe was deliberately buried in the timeframe of these cataclysms, and most likely dates to before 13,000 ybp – possibly by millennia. There is very sound geological evidence that the Great Sphinx dates to these early times as well, as it is highly eroded by rainfall, which could only have happened before Giza Plateau was a desert which is before 9,000 ybp.

    Surely mankind is a traumatized species, and has had the misfortune of witnessing cataclysms, being afraid of his own shadow, and death. Also, the “God” of the Book was a terribly behaved sot, whose behavior in said Book explains a lot of man’s selfish, loathsome behavior.

    Thanks for making me aware of the work of Sheldon Solomon, Jeff Greenberg, and Tom Pyszczynski.

  • .
    @Shallel

    I’d be curious to see what Bud thinks of Graham Hancock. Mainstream scientists tend to see him as a promoter of deep woo. I would also be curious, Shellel, to hear what you think the pyramids were built to accomplish. I have some ideas, based on knowing that some Tibetan monks came and activated the temple of the moon pyramid in Mexico a few months before 1969, and then the whole hippy movement thing ensued right after. But you go first.

    I think Robert C. fears death. He has expressed disgust at burning gas to drive a long way to his job, where he then just kills many bees and frogs being the lawnmower man. So why doesn’t he just quit his job and confront his fear of dying once and for all? Put your money where your mouth is, so to speak, and then you might ‘see’ some shit. Everything you need to know, you already do … somewhere buried in there and stuffed away.

    @Henry H.

    Thanks for the Willie. I listened to him a lot when I first became a nature boy. Somehow I avoided being indoctrinated by rednecks, but I did go blind on potato peel moonshine once. Good times. Yes, that ‘Into the Mystic’ song has been covered a lot. Now I even cover it too after finding that great Colin James version yesterday. I couldn’t just listen to it … I had to experience it to be fully satisfied. I like that Colin James version, a great feel from the drummer in that one.

    .

    Peace peeps. Sorry for the short comment. I’ll try and do better next time … for Robert … now that I know he likes the long winded stuff.

    It seems entirely likely that we’re all gonna die. Meh.

    It’s a funny paradox how clinging to life hastens death, and embracing death leads to fully living. That’s straight out of the Tao. Try it sometime, just for shits and giggles. What have you got to lose, other than just your life?

    At the edge of extinction … even love is rejected.

    Fuck it … don’t faq it.

    .

  • So much outright lying, deception, & dis-information about climate disruption & upcoming heat death.

    Here is a classic distorting outright lie that almost everyone believes.

    search; Who Started the Bombing of Cities and Targeting of Civilians in World War II?

  • @ Henry Holt
    Bobby Black on steel guitar. Not fancy, but there’s something about his playing . . . “Live at the Armadillo World Headquarters” is Commander Cody at their best.

    Best Wishes

  • Bud wrote:

    Meanwhile, as well demonstrated by many commenters here . . . accept only evidence that supports their favorite beliefs— . . . they often adopt a convenient, scientific double standard with which they focus exclusively on and magnify evidence that supports their favorite, self-soothing beliefs while avoiding, denying, and minimizing any evidence that fails to support their conceptual models. Humans find it deeply disturbing to have their fundamental beliefs called into question.

    As needed, and as often argued by many commenters here at NBL, they fluently attribute any unwanted territory/map mismatch to “communist propaganda”, “God”, “the devil”, “angels”, a “non-physical consciousness”, “souls”, or any one or combination of an infinite number of other alleged non-physical forces or entities supposedly at work in the universe, thus making it work as they subjectively and narcissistically insist that it must. …

    ***

    It’s all very clear now, Bud, why you wish to argue the definition of ad hominem. It’s what you do all the time. You do not quote anyone’s specific arguments other than one comment of mine, you just issue the widely general identification of “some posters.” You then characterize (judge/evaluation) and summarize their arguments quite unfairly and dishonestly, however, *you don’t address the arguments themselves.* You only argue your judgment of their arguments – that their arguments are fairy stories.

    No wonder you don’t want that tactic to be the deplorable ad hominem attack, because it’s what you do all the time. But what you do is ad hominem, Bud. It is pure, dishonest, invalid, unethical ad hominem argument.

    As you write, and project all the freakin’ time onto others, some people dismiss real evidence such as dictionary definitions of words, to believe what they want to believe because it supports their self image.

    Bud, what you are speaks so loudly, almost no one cares what you say. Your open verbal aggression and devaluing toward people at NBL is odious. You are a truly odious human being. Malice and ill will to the core.

    Everything that you say is true of me and other people whom you don’t agree with, is true of your own attitude toward the accepted definition of ad hominem, and the ad hominem tactics that you use almost exclusively, that you don’t want to believe are ad hominem.

    It’s all excruciatingly clear why you objected to my statement re the ad hominem tactic I identified from Apnea’s article, and your insistence that ad hominem is only ad hominem when toward only a single individual (not true), and that individual must be identified (not true, either).

    Odious.

  • .
    Yes, I noticed months ago that the only way Bud ever argues is through use of the ad hominem fallacy, and I also noted his liberal accusations of add hominem to anybody who ever made a counter argument against him (???). Projecting … or as old Billy said in Hamlet … “The lady doth protest too much, methinks”

    And there’s projection in many of his other statements too. Like saying … “accept only evidence that supports their favorite beliefs.” You mean like Einstein outright mocking and rejecting the clear observable results from the double slit experiment for thirty years until he died, just because it upset his pet theory based on classical physics? They improved the experiment in 2000 too with the quantum double erasure experiment, which countered ever criticism ever leveled at the old experiments, and the results are the same. Yet still physics still brushes it under the rug, and only because it upsets the old mechanistic world view held by classical physicists. Talk about ignoring evidence that doesn’t support your beliefs.

    Or how about when an outside expert at setting up quadruple blind studies was brought in to set up the strictest possible parameters for a test conducted on psychic abilities? The expert who set up the quadruple blind study was astounded when they achieved a p value indicating an 80% likely hood that the results had been statistically significant, which is far more significant than the 50% likely hood of statistical significance the FDA lets pharmaceutical companies get away with when declaring their drugs effective and ‘true.’ 50% is barely above the placebo effect line … and yet the highly scientific medical community spins those results into good strong sounding science. I don’t need to tell you what happened to that study done on psychics though do I? It was buried and mocked, because the results didn’t suit someone’s beliefs … the mechanistic belief that such things are impossible … the same old belief that is regularly held by scientism fundamentalists. Psychic abilities aren’t even about God or religion … what the fuck are they so afraid of anyway? Learning something about the world?

    Hey, I’m still open to science … I actually used to love it to death, once. It just started to not pass the sniff test after awhile, so I had to start viewing its fundamentalist ideologies with a little more skepticism, that’s all. Pharmaceuticals with heavy side effects flooding the market when they barely even perform above what we would expect from the placebo effect anyway … now who’s bullshitting who here. People believing some of this garbage under the pretense of … ‘oh, hey, it’s from science, it must be true’ … smells like people believing what they’re told just because it came from their beloved church. And both of these avenues of brainwashing and lying … church AND science … both came from European culture. Hmmm, now that’s something to take note of. And that was where this discussion started a few days back … that both fundamentally religious science and also fundamentally religious church all came from, and were promoted, out of European culture. Hmmmm, smell test is stinking methinks.

    Yes, Bud is the ad hominem master, and he also accepts only evidence that supports his favorite beliefs. That’s a lot of projecting for sure. Too much for me to take seriously.

    .

  • ‘With the disastrous effects of increasing atmospheric CO2 becoming ever more evident, an ‘innovative development in building a workable carbon capture process’ sparks interest.

    The process involved mimics the natural process of silicate rocks reacting with atmospheric CO2 to form carbonate rocks and silica, which has operated at an exceedingly slow rate over most of the Earth’s history.

    The devil is in the detail, as always, and we see from the linked article that.’In 2012, they pumped about 250 tons of carbon dioxide, mixed with water, about 1,500 feet down into porous basalt.’

    Meanwhile: …’global carbon dioxide emissions once again set a new all-time record high. Carbon dioxide emissions in 2015 were 36 million metric tons higher than in 2014…’

    http://robinwestenra.blogspot.co.nz/2016/06/a-record-world-fossil-fuel-c

    We see that the project in Iceland removed about one-hundred-thousandth of the annual INCREASE in carbon dioxide emissions. Total global emissions are of the order of 36 billion tonnes per annum, indicating we would need to build about 100,000 Iceland sequestration plants (or their equivalent) EVERY YEAR to prevent atmospheric carbon dioxide rising, and an even greater number to reduce the current atmospheric burden (around 408 ppm, 130 ppm above the historic norm, and currently rising at the greatest rate in human history).

    Apart from the ‘problem’ of who is going to pay for the ‘carbon capture plants’, there is the ‘ problem’ that constructing such plants results in additional CO2 emissions, as does running them.

    Only a drastic change to current living arrangements (a massive reduction in per capita energy consumption), together with severe population constraints, will have any impact on the global carbon dioxide predicament. And no politician will go anywhere near either a drastic change to current living arrangements or population constraints, so the CO2 predicament will continue to be made rapidly worse.’

    http://www.interest.co.nz/news/82043/us-data-positive-oecd-criticises-qe-and-low-interest-rates-equities-fall-ust-10yr-yield#comment-864294

  • LWA,

    I know only this about Graham Hancock: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Hancock. Based on this information, “pseudoarchaeologist” seems characterize him pretty well. Meanwhile Steven A. LeBlanc, author of Constant Battles: The Myth of the Peaceful, Noble Savage, serves as a good example of a highly respected, well known, competent archaeologist: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_A._LeBlanc

    Oldgrowthforest,

    June 9th, 2016 at 12:15 pm you wrote to me “You are a truly odious human being. Malice and ill will to the core.” This serves as a blatant, crystal clear example of ad hominem attack as defined and accepted by most people, most of the time, in most places—and much more often than not allowed and apparently encouraged by the moderators here at NBL. To the best of my knowledge I have never written anything like this about you or to you, nor to anyone else here at NBL, I have never considered writing anything emotionally abusive and violent like this, and I fervently hope that I never to do. Unfortunately, you usually appear to understand little or nothing of what I write, and I feel sad that I do not have better writing skills.

    Guy, I hope that you will explain to us your reasoning and values regarding why you allow, and thus encourage, this kind of obviously emotionally abusive, socially and personally destructive behavior here at NBL. Does some sub-set of anarchist values and reasoning suggest that doing this helps people as individuals and socially either here at NBL or anywhere else?

  • The fear of death, the fear of the dissolution of one’s discrete and separate individuality (abhinivesha) is the deepest and most universal of the five defilements (kleshas), a trace of any of which will prevent realisation.

  • mod note

    “I actually know nothing, but I think I know everything.”

    RC ~ well at least I thought you had learned to count to three by now! wink wink. please save that thought for tomorrow, as right now it is going into the afterlife for deleted cyberspace bits. I wonder if it felt any fear at the last moment?

    music for mod notes ~

  • Shallel, there is a problem with Graham Hancock – he lies. Makes shit up and when corrected continues to lie.

  • “Published on Feb 24, 2016

    Death has been a prevailing cultural theme throughout history and, according to psychology professor Sheldon Solomon, an inherent fear of death powers every action people take–from the cars we drive and the relationships we choose, to artistic expression and even grand foreign policies. He’ll break down the many ways death is “the worm at the core” which drives daily actions, and explain why it’s necessary to overcome this nagging fear. For Solomon, creativity, courage, and compassion are key factors to tackling the persistent–and often overwhelming–knowledge of death at our backs.”

  • ‘I think Ernst Mayr’s statement that intelligence is a lethal mutation
    will prove to be correct.’ -david higham

    perhaps in the case of humans, but not necessarily other species. i’m currently reading a recently published book: VOICES IN THE OCEAN, that’s about dolphins, animals whose brains are bigger than ours and whose intelligence may be greater. just read the first couple of chapters, pretty interesting, including one about a woman in hawaii (named oddly joan ocean) who had spent 1/2 her adult life swimming with dolphins, studying and learning about/from them. made me think of someone who posted a few comments on this blog a couple of years ago who said she was from hawaii, invited some to come visit her. can’t recall the name she went by, maybe ‘el sea’? anyway, it’s an interesting, if irrelevant thought.

  • @ Bud Nye

    Old Growth Forest is right, you do demonstrate malice and ill-will towards any reader that does not agree with you. And then you want to run home to mommy if someone challenges you on it:

    “Guy, I hope that you will explain to us your reasoning and values regarding why you allow, and thus encourage, this kind of obviously emotionally abusive, socially and personally destructive behavior here at NBL.”

    Wah, Wah, Waaaaah! Bob, you really are a wonder!

    Best Wishes

  • Guy,

    Please explain your reasoning and values regarding why you allow, and thus encourage, the obviously emotionally abusive, socially and personally destructive behavior that so often occurs here at NBL. Does some sub-set of anarchist values and reasoning suggest that doing this helps people individually or in groups socially here at NBL or anywhere else? Can you point to any sociological or psychological evidence that allowing and encouraging this kind of behavior helps anyone, anywhere, any time? If we have little time left, how does allowing and encouraging this kind of abusive behavior in any way suggest, encourage, or support the idea that “Only love remains”, which you so often suggest?

  • TVT,
    Fair enough. Perhaps Mayr should have stated ‘Human intelligence is a
    lethal mutation’. Bonobos,Ravens,some Parrots,etc perform some pretty impressive feats,but I don’t think anyone would expect them to learn how to smelt metals,even if easily smelted ores were scattered about on the Earth’s surface,as they were when humans learnt the tricks.
    Then again,we will never know what could have been down the evolutionary
    track once intelligence started. If humans became extinct for some reason
    and chimpanzees didn’t,maybe their descendants might have been ‘Too smart
    for their own good’ as well.
    Thanks for the book recommendation.

  • Call it the fear of death, call it the fear of life – I prefer to see it as an unseen context within which the psychology develops which assumes that I am fundamentally in danger here -that there is something at stake for me in this life. That context is the source of all the madness, suffering, aggression etc..

    Anyone that makes the earnest effort to move the beam of their attention onto the simple feel of their presence here – the feeling of ‘me-ness’ that is never absent will completely eradicate this context of fearfulness.

    Over time even the effects of this context of fear just wither away as the reason they came into being -to protect you from your own life- no longer exists.

    What remains is a natural human life.

  • The only thing I fear about the Big Orgasm is not being able to have a cigarette after.

    I am told Digixplor was banned here, any comments?

    But in the meantime, there’s this:

    Collapse For Kids – Fun For The Whole Family

    http://lokisrevengeblog.wordpress.com/2016/06/09/collapse-for-kids/

    .

    Peak Youth And Collapse

    The Larger Collapse Perspective For Youth from collapse


  • U.S. Drought Monitor Northeast

    Not much improvement since last year and there are lots of farms located in the abnormally dry conditions. Siberian express aka northern jet stream anomaly shows no sign of abatement at this time.

  • The brilliant idea that “Only love remains” is the final state of what we call the universe. That idea comes into being only through experience and pain. No pain, no gain.

  • Feed Jake,

    How do your see your June 9th, 2016 at 10:45 pm comment as making any kind of logical sense? I have never written anything at all of an emotionally abusive, personally attacking nature, as oldgrowthforest and others here so often do. I stay focused on the evidence and reasoning, working hard accurately to represent and respond to other’s thinking, respectfully and proactively asking for corrective feedback, and apologizing when I get something wrong, yet I presumably “…demonstrate malice and ill-will towards any reader that does not agree with” me? Sorry. I do not follow your reasoning here at all. Please help me to understand how I supposedly “demonstrate malice and ill-will towards any reader that does not agree with”—while oldgrowthforest, LWA, and others presumably demonstrate acceptance and good will toward others whom they disagree with? Your comment seems quite bizarre to me. Please explain.

    Guy,

    Please explain your reasoning and values regarding why you allow, and thus encourage, the obviously emotionally abusive, socially and personally destructive bullying that so often occurs here at NBL. Does some sub-set of anarchist values and reasoning suggest that doing this helps people individually or in groups socially here at NBL or anywhere else? Can you point to any sociological or psychological evidence that allowing and encouraging this kind of behavior helps anyone, anywhere, any time? If we have little time left, how does allowing and encouraging this kind of abusive behavior in any way suggest, encourage, or support the idea that “Only love remains”, which you so often suggest? I assume that you remain fully aware that this kind of abusive behavior occurs very commonly from anarchists. If you know this, why do you sometimes complain about the abuse that you so often receive—-and then allow, and thus encourage, that kind of abusive behavior among the commenters here at NBL? Do you know that Derrick Jensen very frequently receives death threats from anarchists because of his strong anti-anarchist positions and writing? Do you wish quite consciously and purposefully to encourage as much of this kind of abusive behavior as possible among people? If so, for what purpose? To what hoped for end? If not, why do you allow it and thus encourage it? If you consider this kind of abusive behavior useful, acceptable, and/or in some way or ways helpful, why don’t you speak in these abusive ways to people when you respond to questions during your presentations?

  • Guy’s claim that we could be in deep climate disrupting horors within 18 months …

    No law school or even foreign service school, eh?

    Does this mean that Holy Holocaust studies are out too?

  • .
    @Bud

    Oh my flap napping god … do you ever need to take a course in fallacious reasoning. Now your last two posts appealing to Guy … are cases of the classical logical fallacy of ‘begging the question’ … or more accurately … “assuming the initial point.” It’s very poor reasoning indeed.

    From your favorite site of heavily censored but occasionally useful information (wonky wiki)

    ————————

    To beg a question means to assume the conclusion of an argument—a type of circular reasoning. This is an informal fallacy, in which an arguer includes the conclusion to be proven within a premise of the argument, often in an indirect way such that its presence within the premise is hidden or at least not easily apparent.

    The term “begging the question”, as this is usually phrased, originated in the 16th century as a mistranslation of the Latin petitio principii, which actually translates as “assuming the initial point.”

    ————————

    And further to your need for a course in logical fallacies to correct your extremely fallacious reasoning … your interpretation of ‘an ad hominem attack’ comes from the internet … where everybody has latched onto and propagated an erroneous interpretation of this term. It’s NOT about calling someone a stupid dickhead, whereupon the chat site explodes with accusations of ad hominem attack, like someone has elbowed them in the lunch room. It’s in fact a term generally only applied to debate and argument to indicate faulty reasoning. It’s where you avoid taking on the actual arguments presented by someone, and instead cast doubt on the author of the arguments as a sort of trick of the mind. You exactly did this very thing again with Graham Handcock when you dismissed him out of hand based on his credentials … and upheld your author based on his credentials. It’s a nice subtle fallacy that reels in a lot of people … but it’s still a fallacy, because Graham’s credentials and what fucking school he did or didn’t go to has NOTHING to do with his arguments or his theories, nor does your author’s credentials have ANYTHING to do with his arguments either. You made a case against Graham just now using an ad hominem logical fallacy … so we can ignore it. It’s not at all about calling Graham an ugly dickhead … ad hominem is a far subtler thing and is about faulty reasoning, not about insults.

    That’s an example of ad hominem … not your slang definition of it lifted from the false understanding of the term based on too much chat room cruising. It’s a far subtler thing than just getting called a asshat.

    Also, I can take a stab at answering your question to Guy so he doesn’t have to waste his time on such a stupid question … it’s that he values free speech and people hashing things out for themselves through unfettered social discourse, rather than censoring people just because some arm waving grog begs the question and then demands servicing based upon his mistaken assumption of correctness … like some sort of insufferable prig. I thought it was better when you were going to sue people … that doesn’t waste Guy’s time, just your own. So please … pull your head out of your ass and breathe some air, the lack of oxygen seems to be affecting your reasoning.

    Put yourself through an internet course on logical fallacies Bud, you’ve got some very manipulative habits going on there, one’s that you maybe aren’t even aware of. Awareness about common logical fallacies could do wonders for you I think … that is unless you do all this bad behavior on purpose, which is a possibility. Only you would know that. I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it’s ignorance and not malice. Though your racism rants do seem to contain malice, as do your religion rants. Either way, firm up your reasoning please. The way you form your arguments is crap, which may explain why your mind is so full of garbage. You need to arm yourself against accepting fallacious arguments too you know, as well as arm yourself against making them.

    .

    @mo … thanks for the DJ selections, dragons in the house. Ja man, ja.

    @Diarmuid Galvin … yes, some of us here have been trying to get this across for awhile now. It quickly turns into a woo battle, this site is full of heavily burdened minds full of resistance. I like the comment you made a lot. Exactly. And there are easy methods out there for shifting the focus of the mind too … but discussing any of this leads to deep resistance and the digging in of heels. Thanks for your excellent summary. It really is that simple … and yet people won’t even try it. It’s like you were asking them to drink lava or something. Thanks for your comment, it was excellent.

    .

  • I just received word this morning that Shep died on May 31st.

    I will miss Shep very much. We became long-distance friends last year, and his kindness meant a great deal to me.

  • @oldgrowthforest

    Re: Shep

    That’s a bummer. I liked Shep.

  • .
    I knew shep better at kuku than from here, I will miss him too. Be at peace now shep, you made it out. Hugs on the wind for you buddy.

    Thanks for letting us know oldgrowth. Hugs for you too.

    A song for shep.

    .

  • Hi Bud,

    The words in apostraphe are taken from your latest Psychology Sermon and have pejorative connotations, and “demonstrate malice and ill-will towards any reader that does not agree with you. “ as I stated in my post.

    Should I trust and believe the obviously very strongly, ’emotionally biased’ reasoning of oldgrowthforest, LWA, Shep, Satish, and similar-thinking others who often band together to attack and bully anyone who disagrees with them—including not only commenters, but also . . .

    “God”, “the devil”, “angels”, a “non-physical consciousness”, “souls”, or any one or combination of an infinite number of other alleged non-physical forces or entities supposedly at work in the universe, thus making it work as they subjectively and ‘narcissistically’ insist . . .

    , , , it has nothing to do with any “good” fundamentalist’s, ‘obsessive’s’, dualist’s, or ‘narcissist’s’ beliefs. One hundred percent of the world’s scientists could agree . . .

    These are just from your latest. It’s not worth my time to go back and show you all the other pejorative language you’ve used in the past. Since you are so into the “science” of psychology, maybe you should find the term for someone who antagonizes a bunch of people, calls them names, and then denies all responsibility for their reaction, so that he can play the victim, and say: “Mom they’re bullying me!”

    Maybe someone will write a book about the symptoms you present with. Maybe they’ll even name a new neurosis or psychosis after you. That’ll really give you something to whine about!

    Best Wishes (even to your nasty self)

  • Feed Jake,

    Regarding your June 10th, 2016 at 8:48 am comment, I feel sorry that you, like oldgrowthforest and some others here, either cannot or do not wish to discriminate between arguments about ideas as opposed to personal, abusive, bullying attacks on people. Apparently you find the distinction too subtle, too complex, or too unacceptable to comprehend.

    Guy,

    Please explain your reasoning and values regarding why you allow, and thus encourage, the obviously emotionally abusive, socially and personally destructive bullying that so often occurs here at NBL. Does some sub-set of anarchist values and reasoning suggest that doing this helps people individually or in groups socially here at NBL or anywhere else? Can you point to any sociological or psychological evidence that allowing and encouraging this kind of behavior helps anyone, anywhere, any time? If we have little time left, how does allowing and encouraging this kind of abusive behavior in any way suggest, encourage, or support the idea that “Only love remains” and that we might best treat each other in more loving ways, which you so often suggest? I assume that you remain fully aware that this kind of abusive behavior occurs very commonly from anarchists. If you know this, why do you sometimes complain about the abuse that you so often receive—-and then allow, and thus encourage, that kind of abusive behavior among the commenters here at NBL? Do you seriously believe that “free speech” should include the freedom emotionally to abuse and bully others? Do you know that Derrick Jensen very frequently receives death threats from anarchists because of his strong anti-anarchist positions and writing? Do you wish quite consciously and purposefully to encourage as much of this kind of abusive behavior as possible among people, providing a “public service” platform for people who wish to behave in these ways? If so, for what purpose? To what hoped for end? If not, why do you allow it and thus encourage it? If you consider this kind of abusive behavior useful, acceptable, and/or in some way or ways helpful, why don’t you speak in these abusive ways to people when you respond to questions during your presentations? Your not doing that makes it clear that you do at least cognitively understand the hurtful, destructive nature of this kind of abuse and bullying, yet you allow and therefore encourage it at NBL. Again, why? Based on what reasoning and values?

  • Bud-
    I find many of your posts to contain interesting points of view and analysis. But your repetitive plea for Guy to come in here and babysit us all is becoming tedious. You’ve posted the same request several times. Perhaps Guy (and the moderator) just has better things to do in these here End Times than police the discussion of the comments section.

    I honestly recommend that you simply ignore the posts that piss you off. It works well. There are no victims here, only volunteers.

  • mod note

    hey RC ~ sorry for the delay in getting your 3:54am comment above approved. feeling a little sleepy here. need shower and more coffee, stat!

    and no, digixplor is not banned. just under a high level of moderation.

    ~ mo

  • Most of us know someone who is impossible, and I mean IMPOSSIBLE. They won’t play fair, they won’t be responsible for anything they do – it’s always someone or something else, they won’t respect truth of any kind, and they are always willing or actively seeking to do harm to others. They lack a conscience, any responsibility for their choices, and they completely lack empathy or respect for others. It is the unholy trinity of sociopathy.

    Some lucky individuals are aware of such persons, but have remained relatively unaffected by them on a personal level. Others have had the great misfortune to have a parent, a sibling, spouse, or other extremely close and powerful relationship dominated by such a person. It can be a life-destroying experience, and no child ever reared by such a person comes out whole.

    In psychology these are the Cluster B personality disorders. They do not really change, and a great many of them actually get worse as they age, once they lose their youth, their vitality, their looks if they ever had them.

    There are no answers for such people, however, many clinicians have made a very good living talking to and about them ever since Freud took psychology out of the realm of religion and mysticism, and into modern times. Before that, people just called them “evil.”

    It is not so much what they are, but what they lack that makes it all so difficult. You can’t fix or heal something that isn’t there, like a conscience. The impossible people are absent qualities and characteristics that make decency within an individual possible.

    As a result, if you aren’t a clinician or an educator, or otherwise making money off these people and the destruction they cause, what laypersons call “NO CONTACT” appears to be the only good answer for everyone else, if you can do it.

    Feed Jake, best wishes to you, too.

  • Thanks for that video Apneaman, my motto is “never trust an Egyptologist”. Geology is a hard science, pun intended. The work of Robert Schoch has definitively proven John West’s theory of the Sphinx being carved out of the living bedrock over 9000 ybp.

    Schoch and West were laughed at in 1991; the Egyptologists asked if there were any other civilizations capable of such a feat at that time. There were none recognized at the time, however, since then Gobekli Tepe was discovered. While not as daunting a task as carving 200 ton blocks out of the limestone of the Giza Plateau and assembling them precisely into “Temples”, a feat that would be an almost unsurmountable task with today’s technology.

    If you look at the megalithic structures in Lebanon, built with 800-1000 (!) ton precisely quarried stones, in the Altiplano in Peru and Bolivia, such as Sacsayhuaman, which I have seen myself, sites off India and Cuba were cities and pyramids have been found that were submerged at the end of the last ice age, and many more being discovered by satellite and Lidar mapping. The history of civilization is certainly incomplete..

    As to the original function of the Great Pyramid, LWA, I am guessing that you are hinting at an initiation chamber, or some sort of spiritual activation energy emitter. I find the precision, the lack of any inscriptions, and the layout of the passageways and chambers, suggest to me some sort of mechanical function, pumping water or generating some sort of energy. (Perhaps Spiritual?) The thing was clearly not designed to accommodate humans, dead or alive.

    I like to discuss these things that make you go Hmmmm. There are questions of how we came to be in this state of such disconnection from our World that it threatens the survival
    of all life in the near term. Has this happened before in the distant past? Is there a message in these massive undertakings of megalithic, deeply ancient structures?

    Curious people want to know. (They also get beat up a lot.)

    ~Peace Friends

  • I wasn’t around during the human bottle neck.
    Maybe there were 200,2000 or 20,000 people at that time.
    I have always had problems ciphering but any one of those small numbers lead to ~ 7.4 billion. Maybe the problem is people fucking around & creating more CO2 producers,resource users & environment destroyers. I would like to thank all parents for their contribution.

    50 years ago I watched a program about population growth & decided to not have children.As another idiot on this rock I know I added to AGW but at least I haven’t multiplied my damage to the planet through offspring.

    Time to revisit this clip.

    1:50-3:07

  • The Arctic Continues to Heat Up

    . . . The two feedbacks mentioned by Peter Wadham (are)(albedo and seafloor methane). . .
    The combined global temperature rise over the next decade due to these two feedbacks (albedo and seafloor methane) alone may be 0.4°C or 0.72°F for a low-rise scenario and may be 2.7°C or 4.9°F for a high-rise scenario. Additionally, as temperatures rise, further feedbacks will kick in more strongly, further accelerating the rise in temperature, as discussed in earlier posts such as this one.

    In total, warming could exceed 10°C (18°F) within one decade, assuming that no geoengineering will take place within a decade.

    https://arctic-news.blogspot.ca/

    Best Wishes

  • Daily CO2

    No update of the Scripps graph since 30th May but Daily CO2 looks better.

    June 9, 2016: 405.57 ppm

    June 9, 2015: 403.43 ppm

    Up 2.14 ppm

    And the Arctic sea ice melt rate has continued to slow.

    The game goes on.

  • david higham ~

    another one. this is definitely on my must read list!

    Are We Smart Enough to Know How Smart Animals Are? ~ Frans de Waal

  • Dear Babajingo, THANK YOU so much for Rhymes & reasons. Here is a new vid of our ROMELIA sea turtle rescue program. The young ladies in the video forgot to mention that keeping humans from stealing and eating the eggs is a primary goal. There has been a big recovery since preventing the sale of turtle eggs to the nearby largest city of Puntarenas.

    Not that any of this matters in the long-term but for now it feels like living in excellence. Right actions are probably only a feeling while I’m anchored here but I thank Guy for being a guide to sailing away from Empire once again.

    Decommissioning all nuclear power plants on Earth would certainly be the most helpful thing a public figure like Guy could suggest to those who admire him. It’s worth the effort to reduce the grid.

    Per my video above our national park is totally off the electric grid. It is a big deal to get to the jungle town of Montezuma and spend a rainy day in this internet café. This is where we buy candles and bags of rice to hike on our backs out to the preserve. Almost 20 years have flown by since I first started funding this refugio. I realize it will all be gone if the bioshield weapons we developed in D.C. do get used in a surprise event. Personally I think some people can fit into both catagories. Bad man developing Blue Beam & biological warfare. Good GUY if the depopulation event helps reduce the destruction of so many other species per day. The close call will be if the teams can shut down the nuclear reactors when/if the pandemic is released.

    SO very sad to read SHEP passed away. We wrote private letters and he was going to come here to visit in August. Only love remains in my memory of him.

    Mo has my passport number and all my personal data for tracking. I wrote him almost from each port across the Caribbean to Panama Canal. If plans for WW3 are postponed this fall, I will briefly return to D.C. around Thanksgiving time. For economic reasons I’m fairly sure they would try Applied Molecular Evolution and other geoengineering projects before resorting to population reductions. Then again War and the aftermath of clean up can also be very profitable. Months after the radio show with Guy you can see they did the NYC subway bio-tests exactly as I described according to plan. The only real proof will be after-the-fact for those who do survive phase one.

    LOVE to Lidia, OGF, LWA, Nem, 44 South & Henry & Satish. Even though I might be the worst former NSA agent on Earth, I hope the best will result for the future of Earth. Anyone who cares, please Keep working to reduce all the radiation that might remain.

  • Thanks,mo flow. I agree. I have just finished ‘Bonobo Handshake’,which is a light but interesting read.https://www.amazon.com/Bonobo-Handshake-Memoir-Adventure-Congo/dp/1592406343/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465603035&sr=1-1&keywords=bonobo+handshake

  • ‘Does Bilderberg Really Run The World? One Chart To Help You Decide

    With the Bilderberg 2016 meeting now humming along at the Taschenbergpalais hotel in Dresden, deep behind closed doors and protected by heavily-armed guards, many have wondered: just how hyperbolic are allegations that the Bilderbergs run the world.

    To help readers decide, here is a chart laying out the linkages and various connections – financial, political, statutory and otherwise – between the handful of people who comprise the Bilderberg core and the rest of the world.’

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-10/does-bilderberg-really-run-world-one-chart-help-you-decide

  • sports analogy! brilliant! this is how you will reach the proles!

  • I think George Carlin summarizes well much of American cultural mentality about the ground we stand on

  • That does suck about Shep. RIP

  • I have had the good fortune of getting to know Shep over the past many months (since March 2015 to be more exact). We traded emails and we ranted and raved.

    Shep had a highly evolved moral compass.
    Shep spoke the Truth.
    Shep cared.

    You will be missed dearly, Shep!

  • Based on my reading, I recall that Shep seemed like a person of integrity with a rare lack of arrogance(unlike me) seldom seen on comment pages. Those who knew him must undoubtedly count themselves among the lucky.

  • 40 billion in foreign aid for Israeli land theft & ongoing murder of the captive Palestinians in the Gaza Concentration Camp.

    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.723578

  • Hillary Clinton’s big bucks Zionist Israeli Backers.

    Pluto – Zionists Support for Hillary Clinton | Council for the National Interest

  • Upon re-reading Shep’s next to last post, it appears that he had come to terms with his impending death. He included a link to a song titled, I’m ready to go. His thoughtful contributions to NBL will be missed by many of us.

    shep Says:
    May 27th, 2016 at 12:30 pm
    This did not take the first time, but, “When Gabriel Blows That Golden Horn” (notice it is pure gold)”I’m Ready To Go.” The good news is I’m Gabriel so i get to blow it at any time. yeeeeehaaaahhh!

  • a favorite post from Shep.

    and a link I posted just over a year ago, that Shep really liked.

  • Death and death and death. Why not define what is life and what is death.

  • Shep was a deeply kind man with rare honesty and insight who saw through the privilege of his culture. He was born into a family of wealth in the deep south almost twenty years before MLK and the civil rights movement. Even so, Shep always saw the racism and injustice toward Native and African American people in this country, and he hated racism above all things.

    He was a genuinely devoted husband, father and grandfather, who loved his family with all his heart. He spoke of his wife and children all the time when he wrote to me, and his great pride in his children.

    Shep also loved animals, especially his two Jack Russell terriers, Jack and Jill. We frequently discussed our pets and what they meant to us. He said he selfishly wanted to die before his pets did, because he didn’t know what he would do without them.

    Last year Shep ordered five pairs of slippers from me which he gave away as gifts. Three of those pairs went to people associated with NBL, and he insisted on complete anonymity when giving. He said he never wanted anyone to feel obligated because he gave them a gift. He also gave me a very generous gift that enabled me to get through the winter last year when I was in between jobs and retirement and struggling terribly. The slipper orders were to help me, too. I was humbled by his generosity, a generosity that clearly wasn’t a rare occurrence with Shep.

    I felt very fortunate to have met Shep and to have had him for my friend, and I will miss him very much.

  • babajingo,

    Regarding your June 10th, 2016 at 10:14 am comment, I would just like to understand Guy’s motives for allowing and thus encouraging the frequent abusive, bullying, disrespectful, unnecessary, and easily eliminated personal attacking that so often occurs here. I should think that as a very intelligent, well educated, prolific author and speaker he would find it quite easy respectfully and directly to respond to my questions, if/when he decides to do that. But perhaps as an anarchist the whole point involves maximizing horizontal and vertical hostility among as many people as possible in order to produce as much chaos as possible as soon as possible? Do we need to keep some underlying anarchist agenda hidden so as to maximize participation from ignorant innocents who happen onto the site as well as to maintain participation among those who regularly comment but have not yet “gotten it” regarding this possible hidden agenda and might not want to continue to participate once they do? Directly related to this, I would like to better understand why so many people wish so strongly to protect their freedom to treat other people in blatantly disrespectful, emotionally abusive, verbally violent, and to many people disgusting ways. It certainly appears as though Guy wishes to protect that freedom here at NBL. Again, I do not presume to know so I ask my questions simply, forthrightly, and respectfully.

    Guy,

    Please explain your reasoning and values regarding why you allow, and thus encourage, the obviously emotionally abusive, socially and personally destructive bullying that so often occurs here at NBL. Does some sub-set of anarchist values and reasoning suggest that doing this helps people individually or in groups socially here at NBL or anywhere else? Can you point to any sociological or psychological evidence that allowing and encouraging this kind of behavior helps anyone, anywhere, any time? If we have little time left, how does allowing and encouraging this kind of abusive behavior in any way suggest, encourage, or support the idea that “Only love remains” and that we might best treat each other in more loving ways, which you so often suggest? I assume that you remain fully aware that this kind of abusive behavior occurs very commonly from anarchists. If you know this, why do you sometimes complain about the abuse that you so often receive—-and then allow, and thus encourage, that kind of abusive behavior among the commenters here at NBL? Do you seriously believe that “free speech” should include the freedom emotionally to abuse and bully others? Do you know that Derrick Jensen very frequently receives death threats from anarchists because of his strong anti-anarchist positions and writing? Do you wish quite consciously and purposefully to encourage as much of this kind of abusive behavior as possible among people, providing a “public service” platform for people who wish to behave in these ways? If so, for what purpose? To what hoped for end? If not, why do you allow it and thus encourage it? If you consider this kind of abusive behavior useful, acceptable, and/or in some way or ways helpful, why don’t you speak in these abusive ways to people when you respond to questions during your presentations? Your not doing that makes it clear that you do at least cognitively understand the hurtful, destructive nature of this kind of abuse and bullying, yet you allow and therefore encourage it at NBL. Again, why? Based on what reasoning and values?

  • @ogf, thank you for sharing more about Shep.

  • Hey guys,

    With global warming, persistent parasites are an increasing problem. Here’s a really good article on PERSISTENT PARASITES. Hope ypu enjoy it.

    http://www.michaelmorningstar.com/parasites-persistent-problems/

    Best Wishes

  • @FJ, this is far from the *most* content-free spammy link I have read, but it’s up there.

    “Have you heard of using the Zapper an electrical frequency generator to expel parasites?”


    A friend of mine liked collecting oddities to do with old circuses, freak shows, etc. We used to go together to Brimfield, the mega-flea-market held in Western MA. One of his favorite finds was “The Violet Ray”. It had an array of freaky glass probes purported to cure every known ill, including those in intimate areas.

    wiki: “Violet ray treatments were said to cure everything from lumbago to carbuncles. From an antique Master Violet Ray manual c. 1920 comes this treatment advice: ‘Brain Fog – Use Applicator No. I over forehead and eyes. Also treat the back of head and neck with strong current in direct contact with the skin. Treat the spine and hold the electrode in the hand. Ozone inhalations for about four minutes are also of importance.'”

    http://p2.la-img.com/1744/39506/16960064_1_l.jpg

  • Although we cannot read much into individual results, it is nevertheless interesting to keep an eye on them.

    Daily CO2

    June 10, 2016: 405.81 ppm

    June 10, 2015: 403.16 ppm

    Up 2.65 ppm

    …………………………………………………………….

    The hopium item about sequestering CO2 by pumping into porous silicate rocks has now morphed into truly planet-saving stuff on RT.

    Perhaps someone living in the US could have a word with someone, such as ‘Martin Stute, study co-author and hydrologist at the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory at Columbia University in New York.’

    ‘CO2 from burnt fuel hardens if pumped underground, potentially reversing climate change’

    https://rt.com/news/346224-co2-stored-underground-stone/

  • .
    I believe Feed Jake’s link was meant to be a subtle joke. I think I caught the humor he intended to convey.

    Maybe you have to be strongly intuitive to get it.

    “With the right mental attitude and focus you can be better educated to make better choices that will naturally eliminate and reduce the chance of parasite problems.”

    Hahaha. Funny.

    People must find a way to be less attractive to parasites and manipulate them away and out of your terrain.

    Hahahahahahahahaha. Now that one was really flappa-doodlin’ hilarious …

    … if you get the joke that is.

    Thanks Jake. I grinned and chuckled for sure. Almost to the point of a little guilt even. Almost. 😉

    They’re all about carbon sequestering up here in Albertee too, $$$$$ is all it sequesters so far, not any carbon.

    .
    Some Western Ramones … for dave t.

    .

    .

  • First question: Let’s just say that all the world’s climate scientists were humbled by Guy’s video and decided to jump rope and announce tomorrow that Guy McPherson is right, and that 13.5 years from now there will be no humans alive in the N. Hemisphere, with the Southern soon to follow (and like Guy, the announcement came without producing any peer reviewed science to back it up). What would be the result? What is now accomplished?

    Second question: All climate scientist are now touring the world like Guy, spreading the message over the next 13.5 years (taking time out to get measured for their coffins, and such). The ball drops on new year’s 2029 and climate scientists around the world are next to their open coffins like track stars in their blocks pensively waiting to jump in. But as the time approached, things got worse, but not dramatically worse than the previous 13.5 years, and humans are stubbornly still around. What was accomplished by doing this? What would be the result?

    Until we can answer these questions, maybe we ought to lay off advising climate scientist on what they should do.

  • Elroy Hubbard, who made a recommendation, to climate scientists or anybody else? You’re hearing things I didn’t say. It seems to happen a lot with you, and with others, too. While you’re thinking — if you’re able and willing — you might want to check the abundant peer-reviewed science I use (and you deny).

  • Is there a Zapper model that is effective against Persistently Parasitic Politicians & Psychopaths or do we still need old-school techniques to get rid of them ?

    Western Ramones, eh?

    Shep and I met on Morris Berman’s blog “Dark Ages America”. I can’t remember if one of us told the other about NBL, but we wound up here. We exchanged emails about music and other subjects for well over two years. He would have been right on my path if I had managed to visit my favorite cousin near Asheville, but many factors kept that from happening. My loss. Viva Shep !

    OK then, here’s another JJW rouser followed by the oddest version of Mama Tried I’ve run across in a long time. This one’s for you, Lester.

  • It could be the full implications of climate change is just too awful for many climate scientists — and especially those in America, where we’ve been indoctrinated to expect happy endings, and miracle technology — to fully take on board.

    Meanwhile it reached 75 degrees Fahrenheit in Greenland Thursday: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2016/06/10/greenland-witnessed-its-highest-june-temperature-ever-recorded-on-thursday/

  • Shallel said: “I like to discuss these things that make you go Hmmmm. There are questions of how we came to be in this state of such disconnection from our World that it threatens the survival of all life in the near term. Has this happened before in the distant past? Is there a message in these massive undertakings of megalithic, deeply ancient structures? Curious people want to know.”

    I’m glad to be in the company of such curious people. Thank you all.

    ========

    LWA, wonderful exposition of yet another logical fallacy there. Thanks.

    OGF, the policy of “NO CONTACT” with those displaying psychopathic tendencies seems to have worked well in indigenous societies. Despite not having access to the DSM, native people seem to have done very well in the field of psychology! Thank you for the insights.

    —-

    The members of tribal societies use many devices to prevent coercive political or economic power from becoming concentrated in any one person or office, because the growth of political power is clearly a threat to social equality and local self-sufficiency. Anthropologist Richard Lee described some of these antihierarchy cultural mechanisms for the San foragers of southern Africa, and Pierre Clastres described them for indigenous groups in Amazonia. There are counterparts in the wealth-leveling mechanisms of peasant communities, such as the image of “limited good” in Latin American peasant societies.

    Pages 7-8, Chapter 1 (Introduction: Indigenous Peoples and Cultural Scale), Victims of Progress by John H. Bodley

    Contrast these checks and balances that were carefully employed by our ancestors in times past to the current behavior of so many civilized people… behavior marked by an obsessive attachment to power structures and hierarchies, blind faith in authorities and frequent appeals to the leader to step in and institute and impose control. A society without rulers is incomprehensible to many. It’s not even the prospect (or lack thereof) of returning to such conditions, but the very idea of such a culture, the possibility of it, the possibility of it having been the norm once upon a time, is beyond the imagination of the average modern man.

    As Richard Lee says in his paper, “Four decades later even that degree of autonomy has disappeared, as the world’s indigenous peoples have merged rapidly into the underclass of First World, Third World, and post-Socialist social formations.”

    Underclass… isn’t that an appropriate word?

    ========

    Diarmuid Galvin said:

    “Call it the fear of death, call it the fear of life – I prefer to see it as an unseen context within which the psychology develops which assumes that I am fundamentally in danger here -that there is something at stake for me in this life. That context is the source of all the madness, suffering, aggression etc..

    Anyone that makes the earnest effort to move the beam of their attention onto the simple feel of their presence here – the feeling of ‘me-ness’ that is never absent will completely eradicate this context of fearfulness.”

    Great points!

  • Thanks, LWA, for pointing out the subtle viciousness I had glossed right over thanks to my lack of “intuition”.

  • LWA,
    Don’t let Guy get away with nonsense like that. Give him a fifteen-paragraph lecture explaining why peer-reviewed science is just another religion.

  • The Agenda is Set: Elect the War-Hawk for the Sake of “Progress”

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/06/agenda-set-elect-war-hawk-sake-progress.html#more-58318

    Free speech? Well, this is an antiquated notion, from a time before “progress” when people didn’t understand what was definitively correct. Now we have reached consensus on what is “right” and what is “wrong” there is no need for freedom of speech – and in fact it is a hindrance, as people will only abuse their “right to free speech” by spreading propaganda, or broadcasting opinions which we have all agreed are wrong.
    ——————

    Yup – why argue when STFU is an instant win in the land of form over substance.

  • “Anyone that makes the earnest effort to move the beam of their attention onto the simple feel of their presence here – the feeling of ‘me-ness’ that is never absent will completely eradicate this context of fearfulness.”

    The beam of one’s attention (chidabasa) is a reflection of Consciousness a suitable reflecting medium, such as the brain. This reflected consciousness gives the brain its apparent sentience, and does the same for the “I” (ahankara, “”I”-maker”). A reflected beam of sunlight neither can nor is necessary to illuminate the sun.

    LWA, OGF, Lidia: thanks for raking the muck that was deposited again here at NBL.

    For those unacquainted with the principles and principals of anarchy:
    http://freedomainradio.com/free/

  • I’ve posted a new essay, along with abundant additional material. It’s here.

  • .
    Ha, I wake up this morning … to a spoil sport parade. Cool, can I hand out the poor me stickers ?

    Thanks, LWA, for pointing out the subtle viciousness I had glossed right over thanks to my lack of “intuition”.

    No problem, that’s what friends are for. Now that you recognize it, maybe you’ll stop doing it. You know, I do love you Lidia. Even if it’s not the way you want me to love you, it still is love.

    Don’t let Guy get away with nonsense like that. Give him a fifteen-paragraph lecture explaining why peer-reviewed science is just another religion.

    He needs no such lecture david, he knows that already … didn’t you watch the video? That’s why he’s out here jumping rope … while everyone else waits for permission from their authorities to accept whether or not the rope even exists. That permission will not be forthcoming for them though … there is an agenda to follow you know.

    I think you could use some incrementalism ‘skipping lessons’ yourself david, and maybe some empire blockage ‘hopscotch lessons’ too. With empire hopscotch … you throw down your ‘intentional blockage and obfuscation stone’ … and whichever square it lands on, you just hop over it … and continue on to the end of the obvious pattern. Remember though, you have to remain balanced on both hemispheres of your brain. If you lose your balance and step outside of the game play area into stupidity … you get disqualified and sent back to Oxford as a punishment.

    Don’t worry, you’ll love it out here in the playground. It’s fun … and informative.

    Yup – why argue when STFU is an instant win in the land of form over substance.

    I agree Bob … when form over substance is your chosen reality, you should definitely STFU.

    .

    Cheer up you three, this is going to be a great day … there’s a parade to watch !!

    Here’s a parade song for you to skip and hop along to … it’s a good bouncy one.

    .